fury

[flat sapphire]

I'll try putting in the buffs

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1fmMiwqrzcvLgn5h8LTusA

well it went up 5k

6k

[hardy cargo]

u also changed ur phial and food to worse consums

which for that sim is prolly another 1-2 k

[flat sapphire]

Oh

[drifting copper]

That seems about right I’m 460 with 2-2

[flat sapphire]

Whats our optimal food and vials

[drifting copper]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4LRMuKwmt8cB4k8A2eCJt2

[flat sapphire]

I looked it up when 10.2 came out and I think it was that

[paper ivy]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rskSX3NfpQhAx8p1AA4qBn

[drifting copper]

That’s m+ talents as well^

[hardy cargo]

on the 2nd sim u have hast and mast food, and a glacial fury phial

[hardy cargo]

corrupting rage and main stat food should be better

[flat sapphire]

oh isnt corruption barely better

[drifting copper]

Better is better. A few optimizations at 3-5k dps each add up.

[flat sapphire]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2BjWXRhfwSqrLw597EmiDK fair

its going up yea

[hardy cargo]

yea and assuming u have them u can add things like mystic touch and wft

then auggie rune if you have perma one by now

and thats a lot more dmg

[flat sapphire]

Yea my sim setting and consumables are all wrong I guess

[hardy cargo]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/d8w8jMKuGozWLszDevYTtc this is u full raid buffs no gear changes

evrythin aside from PI with good consumes

[granite tiger]

how about odinfury its have more prio than rampage ?!

[hardy cargo]

also leg enchant needs to be changed to frozen for the armor gain

o wait u didnt have one to begin with

[flat sapphire]

oh yea just got them

im omw to enchant

[hardy cargo]

yeah ur missing like 185 main stat from that enchant alone

[flat sapphire]

yea I know

btw

how do I sim whats best enchants and gems

[hardy cargo]

im sure theres some string to add to advanced

but I just kinda yolo them for the most part

like I am pretty sure in that sim i just linked its double howling rune which proabbly isnt bis

[gilded pawn]

Armor gain is barely a dps up

[flat sapphire]

ah

So just go by feeling

cause my vers is pretty low I think

[hardy cargo]

still a dps uppie

[flat sapphire]

my stats look like this rn

[hardy cargo]

I will also gravitate toward whichever rune is cheapest at the time whether haste or mast

I think just looking at that mastery v good tho

sims will be much more reliable than anything I type tho

I just have no idea the string to sim them all someone in here probably has something

[flat sapphire]

I got almost 100 of each rune mastery/haste

[heavy folio]

so to open on a pack in m+ is: reck>charge>of>tr>ramp>bt>ramp>bt>ava?

[dapper goblet]

👨‍🦼

[fading bane]

ye, but u dont need the rage from charge

[olive wraith]

Ramp before of

[fading bane]

unless ur playing Dancing Blades

which i would on Tyran

Titanic Rage is like only convenience really

dont give much dmg

[lunar summit]

Yall holding odyns for big packs or just letting that shit rip for everything?

[fading bane]

let it rip

its so low cd

[olive wraith]

Do you have 4p?

[fading bane]

^this relevant

[lunar summit]

2+2

[flat sapphire]

Oh well thanks for pointing everything out Iwas doing a lot of mistakes

[hardy cargo]

[olive wraith]

You might wanna hold if you think the pack will explode in 20s

I think it’s a judgment call though

[flat sapphire]

are these a must have

lmao

[olive wraith]

And hold if they pack is gonna die relatively soon

[flat sapphire]

gonna cost me 1.2k every hour

[fading bane]

its highest dps flask

but u can just play vers

[heavy folio]

vers flask ftw

[flat sapphire]

Oh ye awhat food gives main stat

[olive wraith]

Eggs

Forget the actual name but it’s in wowhead guide under consumable

[flat sapphire]

thank you

these eggs?

[hardy cargo]

deviously deviled eggs iirc

[flat sapphire]

oh

[hardy cargo]

ya

[flat sapphire]

lol yea

[obtuse copper]

Which trinkets are u aiming for for m+ content ?

[olive wraith]

Ocean looks good, rezans, hourglass - personally

I think crab is decent as well as butcher block

[clever path]

Ocean is the new vial

Rezans is 3rd bis for fury and 2nd bis for arms

[dawn pivot]

allied wristguard or primal molten?

[clever path]

Hourglass is just a big stat stick

Allied is technically the best

[flat sapphire]

I wanna get rezan and the on from tott not crab

[dawn pivot]

cloak has to be crafted too?

[clever path]

Since crafted can only go up to 486 not 489 its best to pick slots with low stat allotments

So wrist and cloak are ideal

[obtuse copper]

I'm probablyt going for cloak (shadowflame) + the vers wrists, seems best for m+ content (dont really care about raiding anymore)

[rich storm]

I have that strength trinket that gives negatibe 654 haste for a minute after it wears off and the hourglass

[olive wraith]

Wrists fwiw are fine in raid

[slate mauve]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uLKUa2RDYwp2XJtmL8U36A

[primal valve]

Whats better? old 4set or 2+2 ? Cause when i'm simming and do test on dummy it looks like old 4set is little bit better?

[slate mauve]

2+2

100%

[soft otter]

Okay maybe it's not an aug angle, although it will have 4p with ksm too 😛

[slate mauve]

And you have to play with new talets if you are going for 2+2

[marble stratus]

I used the free enchanted wyrm crest from Fyrakk kill quest and renoun 20 and made allied bracers and a cloack with sflame

[warm crag]

are you correctly simming the new talents

[primal valve]

I'm not sure. But despite this, testing both builds (old 4set with old talents and 2+2 with new talents), I do more damage with the old 4set (sims say same thing) Is that weird?

[distant phoenix]

anyone have a WA for the 3 stacks of 100% bloodthrist proc?

[shell jackal]

yo boys

how are these stats for fury?

hold up i can get a better screenie

[gleaming crag]

10 to high on haste i think people say 25

[shell jackal]

Crit: 2,701
Haste: 5,020
Versatility: 2,251
Mastery: 5,254

feel like maybe i need a bit more crit and a bit less mast?

[timid forge]

bit more crit and a bit less haste

[shell jackal]

ah less haste?

damn alright

[timid forge]

be safe and just sim top gear and you be fine

[shell jackal]

[timid forge]

that looks like a winner to me

[uneven path]

my BB avg cast seem so low compared to some top logs..i barely hit 173k avg cast :D..i hope it's still just a matter of stats

*compared to same ilvl and weps

[wild mural]

not even close

[shell jackal]

wait i misread it wrong that's big, grats hahaha

[clever belfry]

maybe blast more burst?

[wild mural]

I went to the andapamp school of boomy

[shell jackal]

somehow timed a 21 WCM earlier with 1 second left. boss was on 3%. idk which one of us got a gigafat crit but it worked haha

[clever belfry]

The ret doing s1 dps

gg

[shell jackal]

had a ret absolutely blasting in that wcm actually

[clever belfry]

andapamp would've done ret dps

(i was quite okay on it in key..)

[lucid owl]

I’m sorta getting in a weird spot with new tier rotation bloodbath will be available but I have a sd proc for execute… and idk what to hit

[clever belfry]

bloodbath

[hollow ridge]

if ur not enraged is it still bloodbath > rampage?

[clever belfry]

no

getting enraged is cool and good

[slim coral]

Like an Aug would know

[hollow ridge]

Thxes

[slim coral]

[heady saffron]

your crit/haste and mine are flipped :s

[wild mural]

I’m picking up my OG main in keys. They called me boomy dude for a reason

[heady saffron]

1918io 82 to go till i can quit once i cap dreamwardens/loamm sniffen reps :O

[wild mural]

2500?

[heady saffron]

2k :s

[wild mural]

Why not go for 2500

[heady saffron]

id have to actually have a build to probably do higher than 15s

im hard stuck in using s1 fury build i tried the new one and couldnt get the hang of it

[gleaming crag]

theres a tank WW in my key rn -.- lol

[shell jackal]

has anyone tried doing a full warrior key yet? 3x fury dps and a prot warrior? that could be an idea, mermaider

[wild mural]

Oof fair

[heady saffron]

my dumbass kept pressing wrong shit kek

[shell jackal]

[clever belfry]

im sorry

[heady saffron]

🤔

4fury and a prot

[shell jackal]

damn right

[clever belfry]

implying im still not better at warrior than just about anyone in here

[shell jackal]

that's what you call a GIGA group. but what healer

[wild mural]

(The reason was cause my raid leader was Scottish and couldn’t be bothered to pronounce it and I was the only boomy)

[heady saffron]

im a wet noodle outside of burst kek

[granite tiger]

in AOE when still i have meat cleave buff on my self and odinsfury ready should use it after meat cleave stacks ?!

[shell jackal]

OF procs meat cleaver, no? and the 4pc reduces the cd of it when you get BT/BB crits? so spam whirlwind, rampage, bb into crits, OF when its up (procs meat cleaver), rampage, BB/BT, whirlwind to fill

ive been blasting in some keys lately

[granite tiger]

so just when OF is ready just should press it

[heady saffron]

still chuggin along

[gleaming crag]

its legit nice to be standing in garrosh / lothars ww on a 9 and not die thank you 20% verse

[dense veldt]

Hey. I just started playing again after a long break. Started gearing up and have 440 ilvl with now with 1/4 fury set. Should I upgrade my 460 champion legs for 2 set to help gear progression, or wait for a hero item later on? For context I mostly play m+, and have experience pushing high keys. But Im pugging keys rn and have low gear

[mighty swan]

Id say wait till you got 2k token and try to pug normal every now and then it goes down really easy

Dont use catalyser yet

[hushed scarab]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bdrt5qUwdypBkpWh7Dbc64

[proven tapir]

christ why are are they getting 9 buffs

people have had months to learn this fight its driving me insane

hunters standing out in the middle baiting cones

[forest owl]

is there some secret or method to mythic igira for parses? i only got a 64, never died, pumped those spears and still

[desert cloud]

boys

boys

opener charge reck>odyn>ramp>BB>ramp>BB>avatar>roar>ramp>BB ?

[olive wraith]

Reck charge ramp Odyn bb

[desert cloud]

ok

man this build is killing me

i hate this shit

[clever belfry]

then reroll

[desert cloud]

nuh uh

warrior for life

[clever belfry]

[olive wraith]

I think it’s fun

[forest owl]

we got too used to being able to pop all cds in one macro now we gotta split it xD

[clever belfry]

i think its not bad on ST
but a mess on cleave

[desert cloud]

it is fun but brain dead in a way that i wanna press other buttons but i can't

[dense veldt]

guess it would depend if ur going Titanic Rage or Dancing Blades

[olive wraith]

Less brain dead than the rest of DF

[desert cloud]

a lot i tried in some +21 and that shit is just sometimes u just stand still doing nothing if u miss 1 GCD for dodging dmmg

u get fuked

[gleaming crag]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/94oijDBTZc52qd6Sf7ieih

I only get 180k cause I didnt upgrade my embellishments lol

[desert cloud]

also in between BB and rampage

if i don't Ramp right after BB do i slam

is it BB slam BT ramp

or BB wait for BT then ramp

second option seems logical but i look at some logs those people never press slam nor press execute

[olive wraith]

This

Bt every other gcd

Slam>ww in st

Mt you press slam less cause we refresh

[desert cloud]

refresh what

cuz i'm either playing wrong build or getting fucked by rng

cuz i don't seem to be refreshing shit

(i'm testing on dummy)

i guess BL must play part

[olive wraith]

Refresh ww stacks

[desert cloud]

ah

mb

i read MT main target

xd

[modest condor]

tfw a 467 neck is a downgrade from a 447 neck

[desert cloud]

i can't believe i'm losing to ret paladins actually

are they recking rn ?

[olive wraith]

Idk haven’t really seen a good one

[trail bane]

Do you have Rezan trinket?

When i got it the Vers/Mastery neck from BRH became an upgrade at 467

[desert cloud]

i could probably beat the one we have if i get some good wpns

[nova garnet]

That's why you don't sim and just send the higher ilvl. Then you don't see it as a downgrade

Stam 📈

[gray parrot]

Any good weak auras for odyns fury dot?

[spare otter]

does this mean what im wearing is better?

[desert cloud]

all the other cooldowns weakauras track it

like afenar's etc

[gray parrot]

Do you have a link? I don't see on wago

[desert cloud]

https://wago.io/LuxthosWarriorDragonflight

i'm using this one and it tracks it

the afenar one doesn't track it actually

but the one i linked does

[deep sapphire]

Does Thunderous Words affect the bleed from Rezan's Gleaming Eye?

[stable gulch]

What is bb

Still S2 build atm

[keen kindle]

no\

[worn rain]

Does anyone having issue with crests exchange?

15 for 90 one was removed or something?

[onyx linden]

you cant go above the weekly cap

if you try it like that

[junior knoll]

i have one dilemma with the new build, if i have a BB stack and i risk overcapping rage, is it more worth to BB first and then rampage or rampage first?

[merry night]

what's yalls opener on fury for H smold?

since lust is at the intermission

[merry night]

BB if already enraged, if not then rampage

[blissful kestrel]

I think bb has highest prio and we don't worry as much about overcapping resources but if not enraged I'd press rampage first

[merry night]

ngl i feel like not blowing my gcd's off a pull is just so hindered damage wise

rage build up in ST at the start feels so sluggish

unless im opening wrong

[junior knoll]

allright that makes sense, i'll go Zug Zug some more, thanks!

[obsidian jackal]

in tier which is the offpiece? the helm? cuz i saw that in wowhead but when i check top m+ players they all have tier head

or its just scaling diff with 476-483?

and only 489 will be the helm offpiece?

[pale vigil]

gnarlroot mythic: looks like new 4 set is an downgrade

[clear light]

😮 we're supposed to split avatar and reck?

[earnest galleon]

yeah until OF wears off

[clear light]

Gotcha! ty

[fast osprey]

At the moment people will run the 4pc that they get, and it won't really matter until you start to approach BiS

[obsidian jackal]

So it doesnt really matter rn?

Just upgrade the pieces i have to max?

[fast osprey]

I wouldn't worry too much about it, get 4pc, upgrade it and sim as new pieces come along to maximize yourself

[obsidian jackal]

Okay tyty

[fast osprey]

Np

[naive swallow]

is it +16 / +18 that drops "mythic" titled gear?

[knotty wasp]

17s drop hero gear 16s start dropping crests and mythic gear drops from vault from 18s

[fast osprey]

17s drop hero gear, 18s put myth gear in your vault

Only mythic raid flat drops myth gear

[naive swallow]

ok thanks !~

[prime cape]

does the rezan trinket scale with our bleed talents?

[primal bane]

i've been told no

[worthy mountain]

Neggo

[prime cape]

becaue its so much bigger in sims than the other options

[surreal slate]

is the blazefury medallion any good rn? it can go up to 463

[fiery storm]

should we set our loot spec to arms ? to avoid 1handers?

or is there a downfall to that?

[random bough]

What should we craft first with the sparks? is it best to go for weapons or lowers ilvl?

[sullen dove]

yes

[sullen dove]

ideally bracer or shadowflame on something, if you really havent gotten a single weapon out of m+ and arent likely to either grind a ton of m+ or are in a guild raid with some chance to get given a weapon drop or something you prolly can make a weapon

[random bough]

alright sounds good. thank you

[sullen dove]

but if you do m+ a lot or regularly raid especially if in a guild hopefully shouldnt feel the need to

[random bough]

I'll go with the bracers they are my lowest ilvl

[sullen dove]

[iron sorrel]

So when is the optimal time to use TR with t31 set?

Reck -> charge -> OF -> TR -> rampage -> bloodbath and so on?

[wanton mirage]

rampage go infront of OF in raid talent

[outer bluff]

Hell yeah, +15 BRH

[long nimbus]

I have become obsessed with making Bloodthirst outshine Chaos Bolt

[hard relic]

eyyyyyy thats actually me lmao

[autumn mica]

Seems like this world first race going to take a while longer lol, rip legendary reveal

[tepid lily]

Is crafted cloak with embellishment worth it? Or did I just waste it lol

I feel doing above 180k overall each key

[stoic scarab]

I think most have settled on cloak and wrists (shadowflame or allied)

[naive swallow]

is sandglass gd

how's mir + sandglass for m=+

[obsidian jackal]

I tried a few runs with tier i feel like im doing things wrong

Whats the priority order?

Bb>execute>rampage>bt?

Still i was top dps

[dense elbow]

BT X BT, X is your old prio list exempting ofc BT

There are some bells and whistles, but this is 99% it

Get this rythm down, then start working on the fluff

[vital lichen]

Which one of those bt was supposed to be ramp?

[dense elbow]

Ramp is in X

[vital lichen]

Ohhhh. So bt > both, and fill with ramp or x based on gcd?

[dense elbow]

BT fill BT, basically yep

[vital lichen]

Then, ramp still > exe this tier or no?

[dense elbow]

Yep, cause ramp buffs BT

[vital lichen]

Ofc

[obsidian jackal]

So even if i have both rampage and bt up i always press bt first?

[dense elbow]

Yep

[vital lichen]

so don't even go for bb proc, always bt. Very interesting

[dense elbow]

You get it from the opener and it rolls on naturally, don't worry about it

[obsidian jackal]

And when should i execute? When everything is on cd?

[dense elbow]

Exe is your better filler, yep yep

[vital lichen]

Downtime later in the fight with 2p2p makes it kinda shitty so you kinda have to worry about it. Also the slam fillers are depressing

[obsidian jackal]

Seems a bit weird first but i think i can get used to it

Just a few runs more

Yeah slam is just out of place lmao

I would even spam whirlwind more

[vital lichen]

so many typing errors, sorry

[wispy dock]

bring back 2 charges of BT :p

[dense elbow]

Gl, once basic flow is done, come back for more info. The flow just takes a bit

[vital lichen]

Yeah I don't understand not having two bb charges

But I imagaine it made fury relevant again so they had to take it away

[dense elbow]

This is actually a lot stronger burstwise, so that is fun

Reck window pumps

[vital lichen]

Yeah and it feels fantastic, but outside the windows is so clunky :sad:

[dense elbow]

It takes some time to get used to for sure. But dam is there

[obsidian jackal]

Also when should i use dragons roar after reck of or avatar?

[dense elbow]

WoWhead breaks down your opener in detail

[obsidian jackal]

I read that already also the icy veins one

Both had roar in diff place

[dense elbow]

Same author

[obsidian jackal]

Hmm

[modest condor]

after of

[obsidian jackal]

Tyty

[dense elbow]

I been surprised how big the new tier was for my dam, and I have far from mastered it must be all my OF xp

Might be partly cause OF ain't a net negative to bring

[edgy widget]

they're both "get enraged and use Roar during CDs"

not super complicated

[obsidian jackal]

Sorry numbers confused me lmao

[dense elbow]

That be the author enjoying the patch Arci?

[rich storm]

Would people suggest single or multi target for Larodar?

[edgy widget]

depends on the difficulty, higher = more aoe

[rich storm]

Heroic, so I'll roll multi target and see how I perform

[wanton mirage]

spike counterweight any merit?

[dense elbow]

That the do dam, and 15% bonus dam to cap?

[obsidian jackal]

I instantly recognized his pfp feel like a douche rn who cant read 😭

[dense elbow]

🫂

Zug zug

[obsidian jackal]

Real

[inland flame]

Guys I need moral support I just did my first M+ with the new T31 build and I hate it

[slim coral]

just messing with ya anda

[modest condor]

it took a while for me to get used to it

but the burst is so good

you're just melting prio targets

[keen kindle]

The FoB?

[dense elbow]

I am still getting used to it... but dam tho, it is real

[inland flame]

Every time I got to spam WW during down time or travel time i cri

[dense elbow]

[brittle crow]

i can't jump back and forth and spam whirlwind while waiting for the pull timer in raid

id say i dont like that, and i dont, but it's gotten me 2 open up my toy box more

[inland flame]

I'm prolly just being grumpy, and I'll learn it fast enough, but I'm just a little unhappy with the whole "force players to use worse talents by making their tier based on it" meme they did with us this time.

[median narwhal]

Still using T30 build, didn't get any set in vault or NM 🥲

[inland flame]

Ya another thing to be fair I'm still 2p/2p. Have a curio in my bags so just need one more.

[median narwhal]

2p/2p is worth it?

[inland flame]

New build 2p/2p sims 5-7% higher in all situations than old build old 4p.

At least when I ran them with my gear.

And I ran it versus off pieces and just new 2p of course.

[median narwhal]

meh. I'll wait for my unluckiness in HM before trying.

[inland flame]

Well you can guarantee 2p this week if you use a catalyst charge and do Season 3 Master somehow.

[ionic hemlock]

What your guys “usual” ST damage atm?

[inland flame]

2k io is the easiest way for most people.

[median narwhal]

Currently I have lfr gloves, the curio and 1 catalyst charge.

[modest condor]

yeah but you shouldnt use those until you already have 2p so you dont duplicate

[median narwhal]

That's why I'm waiting x)

[inland flame]

Ya it might also matter that I'm a guildless casual who pugs everything, so I'm not realying on regular access to raid drops. Although normal is basically LFR at least.

And I was really anxious to start learning the new build since it feels so different.

[median narwhal]

At least they didn't make us use the Ohw build

[inland flame]

Guaranteed 4p on Tuesday with second cata charge and my curio anyway.

[quasi oak]

Dungeonslice sims say go 2+2pc, but 5 target patch says keep T30 4pc for keys, what to do? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/shc5R58145aSEdPsuRGXCp

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kZdTE95juy6eT5jsPQVWXQ

[proper peak]

dungeon slice is not good

[dry pendant]

actual 167K - 5min

[dense elbow]

Just keep 4 for a while longer, you gonna miss it when it is gone

[median narwhal]

Sim yourself with Reckless Abandon.

[inland flame]

I really do miss it, spammable WW and Ravager.

[dense elbow]

[dry pendant]

same, but the new rota is pretty fun aswell tbh

[sinful spoke]

did it on my laptop during thanksgiving

[inland flame]

Doing back-to-back rampages was one of the best feeling things man, now I'm getting dead globals sometimes.

Grats

[covert blaze]

gz

[median narwhal]

We were losing some dps on "Error WAR: Too much haste" tho, no?

[dense elbow]

Gz

[sinful spoke]

ty guys

[unreal cape]

so what are people thinking about T31 in M+. does it feel halfway good now?

[inland flame]

Not even haste necessarily just the rage gen from Ravager on a big pack.

[dense elbow]

It is different, and good

[unreal cape]

could make the 4 piece now with catalyst and the emerald mark of mastery

[inland flame]

Altho you can have too much.

[olive wraith]

Woo 2k reached

[unreal cape]

too much of what?

[inland flame]

Haste

[olive wraith]

Now just need 1 more tier piece

[dense elbow]

Gz

[unreal cape]

i just reached 2.5k 🥳

[inland flame]

grats

[unreal cape]

yeah getting into groups is real hard, best is to just run own keys

as always.. haha

[dense elbow]

This is now the gz channel, gz

[unreal cape]

gz man

[median narwhal]

More difficult than s1

[inland flame]

Don't worry people will want us after we start getting our axe right guys?

[unreal cape]

you are here, so you deserve a gz

[dense elbow]

[unreal cape]

yeah they will..

[inland flame]

[median narwhal]

I was 459 at 1969, couldn't get into a +10 x)

[dense elbow]

Ya lads not getting invited again?

[unreal cape]

nah m8. can apply to keys for an hour and not get invites

(maybe inflated a bit, but 20-30mins of getting no invites feels like an hour)

[median narwhal]

People want DH and Aug, nothing else xD

[inland flame]

See the strat is to wear your Mistwalker title so people know you're good at dungeons. But then they google "MoP release date" and pass because they also now know you're 80 years old.

[dense elbow]

Weird, I get Insta invited to ToT18, the one key I am farming

[unreal cape]

😅

[inland flame]

It all depends on your gear and io I suppose.

[median narwhal]

Maybe you already have done ToT19+?

[unreal cape]

when u apply to dungeons people see your bag ilvl, not ur equipped right?

[dense elbow]

Probably, I just been spamming

[summer quail]

Yes

[dense elbow]

They see bag, yep

[unreal cape]

yeah my bag is like 7 ilvl higher than equipped hah

cuz im still wearing old T30, 450 ilvl gear

[dense elbow]

474?

[unreal cape]

nah i have 462 equipped and 469 bag

[modest condor]

similar numbers for me at the start of this week lol

[unreal cape]

about to make the switch to T31 though.. hopefully i can get into new rotation smoothly

[modest condor]

it will not go smoothly

expect some hours of learning

[dense elbow]

Ya will enjoy it... after a while

[inland flame]

ST is pretty easy but dungeons still kinda hurting mah brane

[olive wraith]

New rotation so good

[unreal cape]

yeah.. thats what i thought hehe

[median narwhal]

Also, why 2 devotion enchant on weap??

[modest condor]

i dont even remember the first dungeon i did with the new rotation, i was just looking at my bars the whole run

[inland flame]

That was p much me earlier

Did good on bosses, good on big packs with double Odyn, skressed af all other times lol

[unreal cape]

is there a pin somewhere on disc for the new rotation? or you just get it from wowhead

[edgy widget]

DS is fine

[quasi oak]

oh what do we use now?

[edgy widget]

2p isn't setup well for anything, but your best option is to hybridize with AM/Rav + OF instead of Ons

[modest condor]

you can get it from wowhead

[unreal cape]

@edgy widget how do you like T31 in m+ and the way it plays compared to T30 ?

[proper peak]

Wasn't dungeon slice terrible to use?

[edgy widget]

it's fine, just have to be smarter about timings

[olive wraith]

I have 2p and I like it a lot

[edgy widget]

no

[proper peak]

I swear people said not to use it, maybe I am losing my mind

[edgy widget]

and if you have to ask, you probably shouldn't be giving commentary on it

[olive wraith]

Might wanna be specific on which devotion

[inland flame]

Ya its prolly one of those things were it clicks with you and you're vibin or you gotta practice until it clicks.

[unreal cape]

so if you're playing well, T31 will do more dmg than T30 with same ilvl in M+ then right

[median narwhal]

Oh right, 2 SOPHIC devotion xD

[edgy widget]

enchants are flexible, just sim and use the best ones you've got

[median narwhal]

Correct me if I'm wrong but they don't stack so it's a net loss?

[unreal cape]

wafting/ sophic. but sim for best results as always 🙂

[olive wraith]

They stack

[edgy widget]

you're wrong

[olive wraith]

Some people with higher ilvl are simming double wafting

[median narwhal]

Damn

[olive wraith]

So just double check when you enchant

[median narwhal]

I'm changing my off weapon this instant, I'll check x)

[unreal cape]

can anyone who's played with new tier confirm this? i've only seen people say that its way better on ST

[edgy widget]

it really depends on your stats, I've even had Burning Writ come up strong

[olive wraith]

Oh? That’s new

[edgy widget]

it is better on ST, but that doesn't mean it can't do better on MT too... you're gaining a lot of ilevel after all

[olive wraith]

Haven’t done raid yet but my boss damage in keys seems higher

[unreal cape]

yeah true, even just comparing 450 to 470+ ilvl will be big upgrade

[inland flame]

Secondaries are getting bloated and hitting soft caps easier, prolly

[olive wraith]

If that were the case wafting would sim lower than sophic

[toxic flare]

was wondering i got my 2 set and is it the same as last season where arms pulls better single target than fury ?

or does fury win out

[unreal cape]

glad to hear that, ST dmg was a bit meh with old tier

[olive wraith]

Dancing blades feels real good

[inland flame]

I was just saying that it might move weights around when comparing secondaries to each other based on what you already have on your gear.

Might not matter enough tho iunno

For weap chants

[glass kelp]

Hey guys, guides shows that either Sophic/Wafting for my weapons.. but sims shows Frozen is the best. Should i go with the sims ?

[unreal cape]

yeah, the sims dont lie and are tailored to your unique character

[olive wraith]

In general flat damage enchants sim better the lower ilvl you have iirc

[inland flame]

Sure but if you're losing 10% of the haste from a proc because you're afk soft capped already that might make crit better. That kinda thing.

Granted things are more complicated than that. But it's a factor.

[obsidian jackal]

Is it possible to sim the best gems or just gear compare combinations?

[unreal cape]

you can also sim gems yeah

[dense elbow]

You can sim anything

[obsidian jackal]

Yeah ik that

Im just curious is there an option for them like top gear

Cuz i did simming one by one

With gems

And it took a long time

[proud leaf]

i thought frozen went out of style after season 1. i haven't even bothered simming with it activated tbh

[unreal cape]

i can get either heroic tier chest or hands through the emerald mark of mastery. which slot would be preferred to use ?

[inland flame]

Maybe depends on the competing pieces? Chest has a bigger stat budget.

[unreal cape]

the old items are both 450 T30

and i already have tier shoulders and will catalyse legs

oh and helm

i was thinking of grabbing chest

[inland flame]

I can't remember the stat layout of them rn not logged in but you're getting more stats from chest.

So everything else the same that'd prolly be what I would do.

[unreal cape]

yeah chest is haste / mast and gloves haste / vers

[dense elbow]

Vers ain't bad, but go chest for mainstat

[unreal cape]

oh, actually i would be replacing a 463 chest with 473 tier. and on gloves i have old T30, with 450 ilvl

[dense elbow]

You will get new gloves soon, don't worry about it

[unreal cape]

yeah, i'll go chest

[covert blaze]

Chest in hero track is p good

[unreal cape]

thanks

[inland flame]

Don't worry your box will def have warforged tier gloves with two sockets and speed on it on Tues

[unreal cape]

hahah

[dense elbow]

In before he gets 486 tier chest in vault

[unreal cape]

god, please no...

i rather take a weap 👍

[valid moon]

higher ilv (jumping from 460 to 470) or 4p set of last season?

[unreal cape]

i'd keep old set until u have new

with no set you're just gimping ur dam

[inland flame]

i dont even know what I want in my box

well other than Signet Brand or Augery I guess

[unreal cape]

big looong sword

[valid moon]

Ty

[dense elbow]

Legendary axe

[inland flame]

truuuu

[unreal cape]

so what are we thinking how we'll be able to get the axe?

from last boss on hc, like the hunter legy in S1?

[inland flame]

All we know is that it drops of Fyr similar to Nazuro rite

[olive wraith]

More details after rwf ends I think

[covert blaze]

Full details after rwf ends probably

[inland flame]

It doesn't even start dropping until RWF ends I think right?

[covert blaze]

I think evoker legendary dropped on wf

Didn't it?

[unreal cape]

oh guys.. i actually need to make a second decision. i could catalyze both legs and hands for new tier. would replace 450 ilvl in both slots

[covert blaze]

You should probably wait for Tuesday

[unreal cape]

both gives haste vers, while gloves give higher vers and lower haste and legs vice versa

[inland flame]

Real goats would cata waist and boots for mog 🗿

[unreal cape]

i mean, i ll just get another catalyst charge on reset

i dont want to wait until wednesday

[covert blaze]

Remember the stats on the converted piece are not the original stats

[inland flame]

Now you only have one charge rn

Making sure you knew

[unreal cape]

yeah i know, i have em up in catalyser rn

[covert blaze]

If the pieces are not hero track I would wait

[dense elbow]

Don't cata anything worse than Heroic at least. I would save for mythic track

[unreal cape]

yeah now i only have one and on reset i'll have another one but i'll already be full tier and chillin

they both are hero track

[covert blaze]

Legs give more stats than hands

[dense elbow]

Gnarlroot legs are good tho

[edgy widget]

don't worry too much about which tier pieces you get to make 4p, just focus on getting 4p and trade stuff out later

[olive wraith]

Week 10 when we have extra charges

[unreal cape]

alright, then legs it is

[edgy widget]

extra charges, farm gear, vault stuff, etc

[dense elbow]

Godspeed, Rha

[edgy widget]

if you're done with your raid week it may be worth waiting to see what you get in your vault on tues

otherwise, go for it

[olive wraith]

Wait you don’t have 4p after using cata?

[inland flame]

we need to talk about your mog king

[unreal cape]

that will be 4p after using it

[inland flame]

we are better than this

[edgy widget]

he does, that's why there are 3 pieces highlighted that aren't legs

[unreal cape]

oooh no i actually use a different mog lmao, i just disabled everything to see how the new tier items look hahah

[olive wraith]

Oh my b I saw 3 and panicked haha

[dense elbow]

Still sad that helm didn't become a skyhold emote

[olive wraith]

[dense elbow]

[olive wraith]

We have purple face at least

[inland flame]

im pretty unhappy with new tier look

but hats especially are a roll of the dice every time being a male troll

[unreal cape]

don't want to wait til tues (wednesday for me).. already catalyzed hero legs 😄

[proud leaf]

new helmet looks like a penis head imo

i hate it

[inland flame]

I really hate having to say that I don't like how the space marine tier set looks

[olive wraith]

Penis head for ultimate penetration to get us into pug keys

[proud leaf]

gonna need more than that

[inland flame]

More like to get us more restraining orders

[olive wraith]

We also get leggo

Together combined

We will get invites

[inland flame]

[olive wraith]

I randomly got invited to a 18 brh

Feels good

[dense elbow]

Ya made it, now no more complaints for a week

Boosters ain't cheap

[inland flame]

Its okay guys, I have some insider info. Rework soon. Baseline Shockwave and Berserker Rage, unnerfed Rallying Cry, Skull Banner, and Bloodlust.

[dense elbow]

Stop

[sweet roost]

So how is single-minded fury this season? Because the one-hand from Fyrakk looks nice, although I'm not seeing any mentions of it in any guides.

[olive wraith]

Not good

[unreal cape]

i'm just using the basic T30 mog. (missing feet and cape) since i didn't play S2 and think it looks pretty cool. don't like the T31 mog at all!

[olive wraith]

Baseline shockwave would be kinda insane

[dense elbow]

Stronger than ever, but, it got no legendary

[covert blaze]

agree t31 looks like ass

[unreal cape]

yeah.. its so sad

[sweet roost]

ah, forgot about the legendary

[dense elbow]

[modest condor]

you started off so well and then you had to add skull banner

[inland flame]

I'm such a MoP baby I'm sorry.

[dense elbow]

Did he write in AoE combat ress?

[olive wraith]

My god imagine

[inland flame]

Shoulda added in Vigilance too.

[olive wraith]

Prot warrior would be the only tank

[rare fjord]

how is versa agaisnt crit

[olive wraith]

It’s definitely a stat against a stat

[rare fjord]

how much do we hate crit

[olive wraith]

We love all stats

[dense elbow]

Crit makes you go big dam some of the time, versa make dam be a bit bigger and you take a Lill less dam

[inland flame]

Warriors deserve their Pain Suppresion back.

[rare fjord]

feels like the 2set makes crit sucky sucky

[dense elbow]

Read 4 set

[proud leaf]

recommendations on how to fill the voids in the t31 rotation? i feel like i'm struggling to get buttons to hit

[rare fjord]

and raidbot tells me mastery vers gems > mastery haste/crit

[proud leaf]

leap away from boss/charge back?

[rare fjord]

and i pressed F on that

[dense elbow]

Trust robot 🤖

[rare fjord]

dont leap

use WW as you draw away

and chare back isntant

[olive wraith]

Work on your rotation

[rare fjord]

ww hits from same range as charge deadzone

you should do that all the time

its the reason i picked double charge over stormbolt in bfa

and got yelled alot for it

but they can suck it

[proud leaf]

makes sense i'll give that a shot

[dense elbow]

You will have one void every 5min or so, or a o.2 sec delay. Try to work on BT prio, and float rage to 110, using slam/exe, before ramp to push CD lineup to avoid deadspace

[dapper goblet]

👨‍🦼

[rare fjord]

was 5 patchwerks for 1 min the m+ sim setting?

[dense elbow]

5t 5min, 1t 5min, or dungslice. I prefer doing 1t and 5t, then use that info to decide on what I want to bring

[rare fjord]

i recall a long debate here during s2 claiming dung slice was wildly unreliable

[unreal cape]

with T31 we're not using the BT crit WA anymore right?

[dense elbow]

Arc says it good, so it good enough for government work

[inland flame]

Nope no need

Coulda make a WA that tracks 2p stacks if it helps you somehow I guess

[rare fjord]

i dont get why raidbot suggests i invest so massively in versatility

[inland flame]

Because the damage reduction will help us cope with the pain of not being popular even after we get Firemourne

[edgy widget]

cause your other stats are high

[unreal cape]

i mean i havent played with new tier yet, but wouldn't that be unnecessary since you're gonna press BT all the time anyways ?

[edgy widget]

you wanna prio BB instead of BT while Furious Bloodthirst is up

maximize the damage bonus

[unreal cape]

oh, so to not waste the set buff on BT, cuz u want to use it on BB everytime ideally

[empty mirage]

is there any weakaura that shows when my OF or avatar is about to drop off so i know when to pop the other

[inland flame]

I assume you don't Ava until you spend all three too, right? If so might help you remember to do that.

[rare fjord]

the 1025vers 606mas neck outpaces the 512crit 1118mast one by 800dps in 5t 1min sim

[dense elbow]

Then use the best option for you

[rare fjord]

and tells me to switch from mastery/vers gems everywhere

[dense elbow]

Ignore the gems, save the gold for now. But you can trust mr 🤖

[rare fjord]

he is very sus

not once did he try to push copious amounts of haste till im sick of it

he was all over haste s2

[dense elbow]

Softcaps are hell of a drug

[inland flame]

You want to make sure to have so much haste on your gear that you're already in the double-soft cap, and then make sure that the haste JC trinket and Mirror are your two trinkets.

Your autos get to the millisecond range, great dam.

👍

[olive wraith]

The tier stacks up to 6 so stacking isn’t an issue

[rare fjord]

nah im good on trinkets

rezan and fyrakk's on 489

[inland flame]

Ah didn't know that. Then just send it for WW stacks or auto speed when they fall off I would guess.

[olive wraith]

Bt/bb also glow when tier stacks are available so unless your ui hides that it’s not really needed imo

Ya

The only thing you’d need/wAnt to tack would be the bleed damage or Db

[unreal cape]

BB > Rampage even when rage capped ?

[olive wraith]

Bro didn’t you ask this earlier

[dense elbow]

BT always wins

[unreal cape]

no i didnt ask this earlier

[inland flame]

I think you Ramp over normal BT right?

But BB over Ramp

[olive wraith]

Not always

[unreal cape]

can we maybe have a pinned comment in here with rotation ?

[dense elbow]

I explained it three times or so already

Rotation is in the pins btw

WoWhead

With explanation

[unreal cape]

only pin from this month is a link to wowhead fo rme basically

[olive wraith]

That’s good

Wowhead has the guide

[dense elbow]

Wonder if Arci needs to make it even more clear

[sudden tusk]

🥄

[unreal cape]

yeah i mean i use the guide all the time and have it open on 2nd monitor, just saying that it would be nice to have a pinned comment with rotation cuz that is very clear and short information to the point

but maybe the pins arent for that, idk

[dense elbow]

Ye, he don't do that

[unreal cape]

kk

cuz im regularely checking pins to see if something new is added so i dont ask a question in here thats already answered in a pin

[rare fjord]

is haste bad now? seriously, s2 raidbot pushed that shit on me like it was being paid for it and now it rates it below vers.

[olive wraith]

No

[rare fjord]

how much should my idle haste% be

[olive wraith]

All stats good

[rare fjord]

before it goes down the shitter

[olive wraith]

However much robot tells you

[dense elbow]

Trust the robot 🤖

[rare fjord]

goddamit

[olive wraith]

We don’t have breakpoints

[covert blaze]

just follow sims

[rare fjord]

does no one here exercise critical thinking

[covert blaze]

there's no other answer

there's no critical thinking to be had

[olive wraith]

No matter how hard you think

[covert blaze]

there's literally a tool that will answer your question

[olive wraith]

You won’t outsmart the robot when it’s executing the perfect rotation

[rare fjord]

the tool assumes targets dont move and you stay in place for the full duration of the thing being simmed

[covert blaze]

so what, you want to have an answer for a non perfect scenario?

for what?

[olive wraith]

Wouldn’t that add value to haste

[covert blaze]

that would make it less accurate

or misleading

[rare fjord]

ok I'll rephrase: how much is your personal haste%

[olive wraith]

Why does that matter

[covert blaze]

that literally has nothing to do with your character

it doesn't matter

[dense elbow]

Dunno, ballpark guess 34%

Did it help?

[rare fjord]

it matters to me

yes

[covert blaze]

it's not hard to understand, how good stats are depend on how much you have of every stat

[inland flame]

You should aim for the best stat distrubution for your gear, not someone else's.

[dense elbow]

You are welcome, Zlia

[rare fjord]

ballpark comparison between collegues helps track the range of what is acceptable

[dense elbow]

Uhm

[olive wraith]

What’s acceptable is what robot says

[dense elbow]

...

[olive wraith]

Cause guess what

[rare fjord]

praise the robot

[olive wraith]

Robot told funky what his stats should be

[covert blaze]

you're just coping that you can't accept that we're telling you that you should sim

[inland flame]

There's no perfect stat prio for all toons. And what's most acceptable is doing damage more effectively.

[olive wraith]

I’m pretty sure most classes say you should simply

Sim

[covert blaze]

everyone sims, you should do it too

[young swan]

guys i think they understand they should sim

[covert blaze]

if you refuse to accept that as the correct wait to itemize, then idk what to tell you

[young swan]

something something lead a horse to water

[dense elbow]

Gambare gambare.

[olive wraith]

Gomen

[rare fjord]

yes, well here is my rebuttal: vers is a beta bitch stat

boom

[unreal cape]

oh no, u didnt just say that did you

[dense elbow]

I disagree, but sure

[young swan]

vers is a good stat when you have direct damage trinkets

[olive wraith]

Stack 50% vers and see branch go off

[rare fjord]

oh YEAH

actually

thts probably it

i have 2x dmg proc trinkets

thats likely why vers is rated so high

rezan and augury

[olive wraith]

That’s probably not why

But okay

[rare fjord]

you are just a contrarian

[dense elbow]

robot helping you out

[young swan]

no thats definitely a big reason why

[covert blaze]

that's very funny

[unreal cape]

so branch is good then? i got it on heroic raid but havent used it yet since it sims a bit lower on m+ / dungeon slice

[young swan]

stat DR's + damga trinkis

[covert blaze]

coming from you

[olive wraith]

Branch is good

Kinda sad that it’s 2.5min

[dense elbow]

Actually kinda good

[unreal cape]

using might of ocean and sandglass atm

i like em

[olive wraith]

Ya those are good too

Lots of good ones this pool

[modest condor]

augury gang

[inland flame]

Have a 483 Mirror rn. It's, uh, a lot of secondaries.

[covert blaze]

i wish

[olive wraith]

Idk why I dislike mirror

[inland flame]

Can get a little impatient waiting for the 3m cd sometimes

[dense elbow]

Same, 3min ain't my yam

[covert blaze]

3 minutes is pretty cringe

[dense elbow]

1.5m tho

[olive wraith]

[covert blaze]

might

[olive wraith]

Debating wether I should use branch in m+ over rezans

Double passive too strong

[covert blaze]

what is your other trinket muscle

[rain sierra]

do we switch to 2 set 2 set? dmg is so low in keyss iwth old 4 sset

[olive wraith]

Still calling me muscle hehe

Hourglass

[olive wraith]

I did. It’s a bit of a learning curve though

So you might not see instant damage gain

[inland flame]

Old 4 is great in M+, new set has much more value in ST compared to cleave, I believe. But ilvl buff and you need to learn it anyway.

[subtle lagoon]

I feel like 2p2p is the play in raid, 4p for m+

[thorny sparrow]

2 set/2 set is better than old four set, as it also means you change your rotation to the new one while damage is bursty

[unreal cape]

why can't i set corrupting rage uptime to 0% on raidbots? im never using it. also are the previous trinkets disabled if you dont have them equipped?

[rain sierra]

im telling ya, the old 4 sset in m+ sucks now, i cant compete with anyone

[inland flame]

Ya to be clear you especially wouldn't use old 4p over new 4p, just feels like old setup is better built for cleaving.

[olive wraith]

Old 4p is really good for m+

Who are you competing with

[inland flame]

But our new set prio damage is gang gang.

[olive wraith]

Cause if it’s dh or bm that’s not a good comparison

[inland flame]

Or just anyone who has gear much better than you lol.

Trinkets, better cleaving tier sets, and class diffs. Lots of stuff going on there.

[unreal cape]

should patchwerk be simmed with bloodlust ? or is there a recommendation on what settings are best to use generally for fury?

[olive wraith]

Patchwork is normally raid setting

There’s a target dummy option

[unreal cape]

i remove a few buffs, since i won't have wft every time i raid for example

[inland flame]

Like never ever having a monk in M+

dapain

[unreal cape]

yeah or that

so should i use BL for ST patchwerk sim or not?

[inland flame]

I mean if you're interested in your raid performance there's no reason you should ever go without it

Dungeons you could see what its like without

Altho there are always drums, even tho they jank

[unreal cape]

yeah i dont use BL for dungeon slice sim

[olive wraith]

You can always just simply dummies

Think it only ticks self buffs on plus you can choose consumables

[unreal cape]

oh, i've never used that before. always just patchwerk for ST and dungeon slice for m+

[dry pendant]

you guys have a WA for the t31 setpiece?

[olive wraith]

For what specifically

[inner bay]

Ignore execute on opener and de-prio on aoe or follow single target prio after opener even in aoe?

[olive wraith]

Our ST rotation is basically our mt rotation

Only difference is you need to maintain ww stacks

[iron leaf]

for the emerald mark of mastery, is there any difference between buying the heroic tier pieces and the elite (pvp) tier pieces? can I just buy the pvp one, pay the cost to upgrade it and then use for both pvp and pve?

[inner bay]

Just spent an hour on dummies and I think I had maybe 2 total CGD where Execute was available but BB wasn't available

[olive wraith]

And you didn’t press slam/ww in these times?

[inner bay]

Used slam when nothing else was up

also not often occurrence

ww to keep uo buff

I'm just curious on aoe if execute is available, prio over BB?

[olive wraith]

Bb is highest prio

[inner bay]

that's what I got from the rotation guide

so ignoring execute alot

[olive wraith]

Sd is probably highest filler prio

[urban drum]

Any advice on when I should be popping avatar on opener? Not sure how far away to space from OF? Used to macroing Ava with reck on t30

[olive wraith]

About 4 seconds

[urban drum]

Why wouldn’t I just pop avatar on opener and not OF twice? Not following where dps loss is or why waiting is better to min max

[quick mist]

You get higher uptime on the buff that increases Ur auto attack dam I believe

[viral maple]

Also overwriting the dot

[young swan]

you lose out on the OF dot and you lose out on either dancing blades uptime or ww stacks (ww stacks arent very important)

[urban drum]

Ahhh

[sudden tusk]

dancing blades own

fuck ww

[young swan]

for aoe burst with titanic rage is mostly fine

[urban drum]

Anyone have WAs for those? To track timers

Of dot or DB

[sudden tusk]

its 4 seconds

[quick mist]

You can track it with wa with the template

[sudden tusk]

just slam a couple globals

[compact knot]

what is going on

[urban drum]

LOL

[young swan]

lol

[compact knot]

why does it say tomorrow

help

[urban drum]

I’m in the future bruh

Ty for help happy thxgiving

[compact knot]

i think im just in the past

everybody else is in the future

[frail trout]

it seems like more people are playing fury with 4p now in keys but I can't match the same damage I would output as arms

idk if its just because I'm not coordinating perfectly with the random tanks I play with as far as my CDS and their pulls go

but it felt infinitely easier to always have my damage as arms when I needed it

[olive wraith]

I’m the opposite I feel like I can’t get the burst windows right with arms

You skill diffed yourself

[inland flame]

I'm really interested in trying it out once I have 4p

[olive wraith]

Arms?

[inland flame]

I'ma be honest tho haven't liked the spec this entire xpac

Ya

[fickle bone]

oh, thats me

look at the boss dmg

30k diff

[dusk perch]

[unreal cape]

shadowflame cloak + shadowflame wrist / allied wristguard are so close that its personal preference right? tiny bit more dmg or bit more versa. edit: yeah 0.2% diff only

[fickle bone]

[covert void]

am the only one enjoying the new spec? feels like there's more thought to it

[shy knot]

Its nice

But youdi get downtime

[olive wraith]

I love it

[shy knot]

Which was never the case

[molten wing]

damn i'm down bad for some flightstones , do i just spam low keys to get em fast or maybe do heroics :?

[olive wraith]

Key spam

[vocal fog]

Just tried fury t31 rotation

Wana cry hate it

[winter shoal]

Why do you hate it

[vocal fog]

It just dont feels good

[winter shoal]

What doesn't feel good about it?

Are you having open gcds?

[vocal fog]

I like t30 more

[winter shoal]

I mean that's fair but that doesn't answer the question

You're allowed to not like things, but you might be able to enjoy it more if you figure out what you don't like about it and see if there are ways of addressing that

A lot of people don't like annihilator because they feel like it causes empty globals, but 95% of the time it's because they're misplaying it

[wraith wharf]

it does feel different, i can understand why people dont like it

[winter shoal]

Yeah not every playstyle suits everyone's preference, it's just a pet peeve for people to say they don't like something for reasons that are entirely solvable if they just take the time to learn it

[wraith wharf]

seeing the animation of slam instead of raging blow kinda irks me, but i do like seeing one big number instead of multiple little numbers

[winter shoal]

Yeah slam's animation and sfx are pretty beans

[twilit harbor]

I'm warming up to it now but it feels slightly janky to play

[winter shoal]

I'm p sure it's the same as onslaught's though and I don't know if people had issues with that

[wraith wharf]

my M+ group runs tomorrow itll be my first real test with it

[winter shoal]

I maintain that the cd on ww from sos is cringe in keys but numerically fury seems fine

[covert void]

it's different but I reckon a lot are trying it and missing a few things with it.

definitely some downtime at times but not that much once you have it nailed.

[spiral idol]

why is slam's animation an uppercut instead of a slam

why have you cursed me with this knowledge

[wraith wharf]

yeah the CD on WW feels weird, just need to get used to it

[covert void]

I'm loving having shock wave personally. worth it for that. feel more useful to groups 😂

[winter shoal]

Shockwave is goated in keys

[rare fjord]

i use it as emerencey gcd filler for rage

usually everyting is stun dr'd before i need to use it

[gilded pawn]

based

[covert void]

I realised I missed pressing rampage first a fair few times before odyns, missed a lot of dam. I have two charge macros now. scroll well and shift scroll wheel, one with reck for opener one for other, with impeding victory

[winter shoal]

In coordinated groups it's not super useful, but in pugs you can't trust those mfs to do anything

[covert void]

read today about filling an empty space, with moving out and charging too. normal shit but I probably wasn't doing that either

scroll wheel*

[rare fjord]

in pugs its always either overlapped with stun totem or dh stun

or i use it just before them and make their stuns 1/2

and tghey yell at me

[winter shoal]

Yeah chargeweaving can be a good backup plan but it's pretty rough on some bosses with big hitboxes like Smolderon and Volcoross

[covert void]

when all you know is pug life it's a God send

[rare fjord]

so now im using it as rage filler

[lavish sage]

crafted stats are what

vers/mast yea?

[rotund steppe]

its not much but its honest work

[hardy fog]

Sim it, but most likely, yes.

[lavish sage]

yea that was the best

470 now lesgo

[thorn terrace]

heyo, question

rn i am playing ret paladin, i like it, its fun. but i keep side eyeing fury warrior. fury good?

I am still pretty new so unsure

[terse idol]

Fury is quite good not sure why you want to go warrior but if you like it do it

[covert void]

simmed highest for me but tbf best just simming yourself as our gear is all over the place atm with us chasing ilvl

[thorn terrace]

I played a lil bit during bfa and it was fun

[terse idol]

Arms is also a fun spec for warrior if you get a bit tired of fury

[warped crater]

What's the correct opener for fury with 4p t31? Reck>charge>rampage>bb>dragon Rawr>spear>avatar>ramp>bb?

[final birch]

I believe it's of after 1st ramp

[warped crater]

Oh yeah forgot to put in of

[thorn terrace]

B Purdy is him

[ornate gust]

Where is odyn fury?

[hardy fog]

Roar and Spear...?

[rare fjord]

avatar is so 20 minutes ago

dead talent

[olive wraith]

fury is pumping gang

[rare fjord]

that monk's name is so terrible

gave myself a migraine reading it

[noble elm]

What dungeon tho

[mortal rock]

what is stronger in raid fury or arms ?

[noble elm]

Going to depend on the boss

Stats say they’re pretty close right now

There’s not really a large data set right now though

[random raptor]

Hey guys, just got my 4pc and its the first time I've had to learn a new rotation
My opener is
Reck -> Charge -> Rampage -> Bloodbath -> Rampage -> Spear/Roar -> Avatar
Into Odyns -> Bloodbath -> Rampage -> Execute (priority list for after opener)
Does that look correct?

[stuck bison]

Can someone help me for st and aoe rotation? For single target= rampage,bb,slam,rampage,bb,ww, rampage,bb etc. For aoe= ww,rampage,bb,slam,rampage,ww so on . Is this right ?

[mortal rock]

what is harder to play demo lock or fury warrior ?

[tardy lark]

No class is really hard to play. Its more a question of whether you are comfrotable playing ranged or melee

Neither spec has a lot of buttons

[mortal rock]

Do it matter whati focus on stats or item level i am 420 titem level atm

[tardy lark]

you just slap on ilvl until you are in the high 470s

[mortal rock]

isnt 470 item level like mythic raiding ?

[tardy lark]

if the piece has haste/mast and later on vers, its probably good

its heroic upgraded, so somewhere in the middle between hc and mythic

[mortal rock]

my guild is only raiding normal atm and they want me to be around 430-440 item level

unsure how to get that item level

[tardy lark]

world content will get you there

[south thunder]

world content

[mortal rock]

how many 424 item level gear from auction house can i use ?

[somber elk]

Just do some low m+

[mortal rock]

isnt it any boe 421 or 428 item level weapon in auction house

[olive wraith]

Brh but we out here beating enh

[mortal rock]

what is better to raid as fury or arms what is stroner for normal raid ?

[noble elm]

Ya but just show the last boss

[tardy lark]

whatever you prefer playing

at the high end, fury is preferred for multiple reasons

[olive wraith]

I logged for the night sorry. Don’t remember what last boss was

[noble elm]

Brh is legit tho

[true niche]

when should i break up my old p4 set. i now have two pieces of the new set and some other items totalling almost a 20 ilvl difference but I would only have a 2 pc set of the new one

[naive swallow]

which is last 4 boss

https://gyazo.com/dac39d7b7ccaf8dd795ab0f22baf1adb

[tardy lark]

fall is lower and rise is upper

so fall first 4 and rise last 4

[naive swallow]

ok thanks

[molten wing]

was there a way to send flightstones from main to alts :?

[twilit hinge]

just reached ilvl480

[true niche]

now go touch some grass

[twilit hinge]

I can only see my screen now

[mortal rock]

are bloodmallet any good for gear ?

[rare fjord]

wildly debatable

it assumes you are ilvl 490 or smtg

[rare fjord]

you reck after charge?

[misty sierra]

according to this, its optimal 🤷‍♂️

as long as you have enough rage for the first rampage, OF and Spear into BB will cap u

[rich palm]

reck before charge so you generate enough rage for instant rampage.

[warm coyote]

is it better to go 2+2? till i have full T31?

[rich palm]

I lost 3k dps when I went 2-2

[proud leaf]

t31 doesn't feel complete in longer fights imo without 4p

OF just doesn't come back up quick enough