Wait is this week 2nd spark? I thought two halves last week + 1 half this week, no?
#fury
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young swan
u got 1 before raid, half last week, half this week
rain sierra
Yeah next half is next week
lavish sage
holty fuck i am so fucking tired of my game constantly freeezing
i cant figure it out
wanton mirage
Its good enough to convince my raid leader to give me tier first
slow veldt
It would be smartest to wait Race to World first to finish before killing Fyrakk this week right?
teal badge
u got 1 before raid, half last week, half this week
Tyty!
slow veldt
(leggo drop chance)
young swan
It would be smartest to wait Race to World first to finish before killing Fyrakk...
only if ur not a progression raider
wanton mirage
You have confirmed it would be same as Evo lego?
slow veldt
No but seems like that is the case ?
spare otter
so when do we execute?
wanton mirage
At 35% health
twilit pelican
It would be smartest to wait Race to World first to finish before killing Fyrakk...
if they kill this week u can drop legendary from next week as far as i know. I think it was like that with evo legendary ( im not 100% sure)
wild mural
consistency 
odd whale
i'm hoping the bad luck protection is working right now for the kills pre mythic kill. So we start next week with 2x kills of luck already
twilit pelican
i'm hoping the bad luck protection is working right now for the kills pre mythic...
its working since week1 kill
short spire
guys is gholak one hand good? i got it and idk if i should us it since when i sim it it says -8k even tho its an alt to our bis weapons
young swan
guys is gholak one hand good? i got it and idk if i should us it since when i si...
set loot spec to arms and forget 1h weapons exist
frozen tartan
Annihilator Build already with 2pc?
twilit pelican
Annihilator Build already with 2pc?
yes
short spire
set loot spec to arms and forget 1h weapons exist
so i shouldnt use it?
young swan
so i shouldnt use it?
nah
fleet night
wait u can turn 415 world event gear into s2 pieces for free?
young swan
i mean u already said u simmed it and it came out as an 8k loss
short spire
that was for aoe for st it says -1k ~ 2k
runic pine
gray nexus
I am very happy with the new tier set performance, it also feels way less clunky than before imo I am so on board
stark depot
that was for aoe for st it says -1k ~ 2k
Just to confirm, are you simming the 1h with a 2h wep or a second 1h?
odd whale
I can't wait for our legendary axe to shoot out those flame lines
dry talon
i'm hoping the bad luck protection is working right now for the kills pre mythic...
Can u explain how this bad luck protection works?
dark ice
Is this good ?
forest rose
i got the self harm trinket
forest owl
does anyone have the link to the t31 tier dps gain list?
odd whale
Can u explain how this bad luck protection works?
everytime you kill Fryakk without the legendary quest item dropping, your chance of it dropping on the next kill increases. Increases each kill until you get it.
short spire
Is this good ?
bro bis weapon
dark ice
catalyst available ? Without campaign ?
rotund steppe
yeah since week 1 of season
past pivot
catalyst available ? Without campaign ?
Yes but you only get it every 2 weeks
dreamy hemlock
how good is lariat for us this season? I dont see it on bis gear lists so I jsut had it in my bag but I now saw it sims better than another neck that is 40+ ilvl higher. My lariat is 421ilvl from s1
rotund steppe
does the other neck ahs the 3 sockets?
fleet epoch
wristguards and frostfire legs pretty solid for m+
bitter pond
is there no 2t30 2t31 build?
dreamy hemlock
does the other neck ahs the 3 sockets?
Nope but wouldnt think 3 sockets is more worth than 40ilvl.
rotund steppe
then put the 3 sockets on the other neck
dark ice
Which tier piece is not good for us stat wise ? Last season we didnt run legs
lavish sage
is there no 2t30 2t31 build?
you just use t31 build
modest condor
0p > 4p in 1 run let's go http://puu.sh/JV4Mk/e41b7c6a57.png
past pivot
Hax
rotund steppe
0p > 4p in 1 run let's go http://puu.sh/JV4Mk/e41b7c6a57.png
pog :D
molten night
Ooof
rotund steppe
lavish sage
any macros for t31?
bitter pond
you just use t31 build
"Going into Season 3, Fury Warriors will not change their builds or playstyles until acquiring their full T31 set bonuses. " Im confused
Why bother wearing 2t31 without odyns fury
slim coral
You can use OF starting with 2 piece
molten night
same
quartz void
so 2pc is actually worth grabbing?
molten night
big time
hallow storm
yes
rotund steppe
yeah
bitter pond
guide says yes
dark ice
This si the default m+ T31 build ?
quartz void
what do we drop for odyn
molten night
This si the default m+ T31 build ?
yes
slim coral
what do we drop for odyn
Everything
rotund steppe
How can I live without ravager ?
everyday 1 more step
hallow storm
Is anyone finding the new rotation kinda clunky?
rotund steppe
slim coral
Is anyone finding the new rotation kinda clunky?
Not anymore
hallow storm
how so?
rotund steppe
sometimes i feel some empty cds
slim coral
Practice
molten night
im at 26% haste (sims say so) and i don't feel clunky.
rotund steppe
then i blame haste
clever path
Is anyone finding the new rotation kinda clunky?
You have to do the rotation near perfect for smoothness, BB/BT before every rampage is a good way to keep on track
lavish sage
opener - charge - reck - rampage - OF - ava - bloodbath - rampage - bb- ram-slam-bb etc?
clever path
opener - charge - reck - rampage - OF - ava - bloodbath - rampage - bb- ram-slam...
No
slim coral
Hang on guys I’m watch this mythic fyrakk pull
hallow storm
yeah it's the empty cd. didn't have them before
clever path
You lose DBs buff uptime doing avatar right after OF
lavish sage
so when do you use it
rotund steppe
4 secs after OF
clever path
What Calc said
lavish sage
4 seconds 
slim coral
yeah it's the empty cd. didn't have them before
You won’t have them really that often once you get used to the rotation
And accept the fact that you will perma overcap in the opener
rotund steppe
so the opener its bb/ramp
hallow storm
ok, that helps, thanks guys
covert void
so nice having shockwave omg.
hallow storm
oh yeah
halcyon vale
opener - charge - reck - rampage - OF - ava - bloodbath - rampage - bb- ram-slam...
Do we not reck then charge anymore? Or was that never a thing and I've been wrong
covert void
feels okay tbh, new build. Just those odd moments you don't have anything to press.
slim coral
Do we not reck then charge anymore? Or was that never a thing and I've been wro...
Yes you reck charge
covert void
which is weird
quartz void
Everything
so we start the new build with 2pc? thought it was supposed to wait for 4pc
covert void
so we start the new build with 2pc? thought it was supposed to wait for 4pc
yes, i am, is fine. Gets you used to it as well.
hallow storm
so we start the new build with 2pc? thought it was supposed to wait for 4pc
no, you can start it with 2 just fine
i think the 4 pc just lowers the cd on OF
quartz void
is helm still the one were not taking for tier?
stable gulch
we use VERS/Mast as embelishment now yeah?
slim coral
so we start the new build with 2pc? thought it was supposed to wait for 4pc
You start with 2 pc
lavish sage
man this rotation is gonna take a while to get used to
hallow storm
totally
slim coral
we use VERS/Mast as embelishment now yeah?
Only sims can answer that
Stats aren’t a one fit all
stable gulch
yeah k but if i don't wnna recraft all day :p
true sapphire
Sim it.
stable gulch
since those are highest stats
true sapphire
Are they your highest stats or your highest upgrade?
stable gulch
no i meant like wowhead guide said Mast = Vers then crit then haste i think
slim coral
yeah k but if i don't wnna recraft all day :p
You don’t have to recraft all day
Just follow current sim
stable gulch
kk
true sapphire
Yeah your goal is to get to those stat priorities but the likelihood of you being there this early in season is slim.
wanton mirage
Hero track gears are worth upgraing without thinking too much about crest right?
prime root
simmed my 2p against current m+ setup simming for like 30k less dmg, is the new tier not so good for AOE until 4p or something?
olive wraith
Def gonna be pumping at 4p
Without ilvl t31 is lower for aoe
But significantly higher for st
prime root
ya. i saw the nice boost for ST, happy about that for raid for sure
true sapphire
Hero track gears are worth upgraing without thinking too much about crest right?
I could be wrong but I don't necessarily think so. We're capped at a good amount of crests lower per week than last season I think.
shy knot
The synergy with the 35% BT execute talent must be crazy
prime root
thats the part im most excited for haha
shy knot
Finally fury proper execute
prime root
right tho!
true sapphire
I could be wrong but I don't necessarily think so. We're capped at a good amount...
I think you're probably better off waiting to see what you get from vault/raid before you go ham on spending the wyrm's crests
slender perch
Is there a good weak aura that shows the number of BT Crits are remaining and the timer on them?
Just to bring it more centrally
heady saffron
i love completely ignoring my sim and just yoloing and still ending up top 5 in my keys
ez
stark arrow
Is there a way to sim Mirror with different stats, similar to how we could change OCE? Or do you have to set different gear sets to change your stats around to see it?
heady saffron
healers do alot of dmg
hallow storm
haha - guaranteed to be in the top 5 every time!
empty crest
is it normal that Im mostly doing ramp-bb-ramp-bb-ramp-bb during reck windows
empty crest
Is it viable to have that Enbelishmet twice?
yea
should be bis single target I think
analog marlin
Hello friends
empty crest
sim it tho
granite laurel
Whats everyones opinion on using the addon Hekili? Is it good?
analog marlin
I have 3 pieces of new tier, but if I put on the 3rd one, even if it is 20 points of higher level, I break the first bonus of the previous tier. Do you recommend that I break the tier 30 bonus or should I wait for the 2nd tier 31 bonus?
empty crest
sim it
analog marlin
I have simulated it but the simulationcraft numbers are not the same as my tests in the dummy. They are quite... uneven.
dark ice
Can I just macro Roar, Avatar, Recklessnes together withT31 build ?
(I know you should pop recklesness before charge but cba)
sick thistle
simmed my 2p against current m+ setup simming for like 30k less dmg, is the new ...
its the same for me. i could get 2 piece with 483 legs and 470shoulders. so i would be 2 piece old and 2 piece new with alot of higher ilvl. it basically sims only 4k higher on ST but i will loose out on aoe
young swan
I have 3 pieces of new tier, but if I put on the 3rd one, even if it is 20 point...
i would recommend waiting for the 4p bonus from t31
analog marlin
i would recommend waiting for the 4p bonus from t31
Thank. But then a question. If I have the 1st bonus of t30 and the bonus of t31, what talents should I bring? Those oriented to 31 with an annihilator?
young swan
Thank. But then a question. If I have the 1st bonus of t30 and the bonus of t31,...
theres a weird hybrid build but idk what it is
and I dont believe its on wowhead
lavish sage
Thank. But then a question. If I have the 1st bonus of t30 and the bonus of t31,...
just use t31 build and rotation
analog marlin
theres a weird hybrid build but idk what it is
That is what I want to know. Since WoWhead doesn't clarify anything for me. Where could I find that hybrid build?
analog marlin
just use t31 build and rotation
Ah, i see
austere hearth
hey guys, craft weapon or cloak and something else ? :X
ornate gust
Tonight I played the new tier set.. Feels bad 😐
light tapir
Amen
restive peak
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hFtTTMj8LzfWGzEvriqoSv oh we are GAMIN GAMIN friendos
meager gyro
sage talon
We always press bloodbath over rampage? Even though we’re rage capped
meager gyro
If enraged
lavish sage
new rotation is making me wanna play arms 
dark ice
Do you delay avatar after OF ?
dark ice
why ?
olive wraith
It’s for DB
dark ice
oh its the same bug as with reck ?
olive wraith
The avatar stacks
olive wraith
Dancing blades
lavish sage
oh yea
dark ice
whats that
amber tinsel
why simming so bad ? it's a good trinket no ?
charred flint
olive wraith
Yes we do?
dark ice
so basically charge in, use OF, wait for avatar buff to run out
and then pop avatar with roar
olive wraith
Don’t need avatar to fall off
dark ice
oh the bleed doesnt extend ?
restive peak
Pandemics, so does after a certain point
tidal obsidian
Yo what is the ítems biss for fury
olive wraith
Wowhead has them
tidal obsidian
Ty
olive wraith
But don’t follow it honestly
snow edge
No, I’d say he means follow topgear for your individual character and setup
BiS gear lists don’t account for your current gear / stats etc
olive wraith
^
snow edge
So when you pick up new pieces and aren’t sure, just sim yourself
olive wraith
Bis is only if you have everything on the list
Plus Idek how much of a difference it actually is
rotund steppe
i need a timer from using OF
snow edge
A few key things can make a difference like trinkets, but largely there’s a lot of flex on items / stats for Fury
teal sable
Is 2x 2PC worth wearing for us? If it is, which talent build are we running, this season or last's?
zealous condor
2-2 is fine and you should run the new build
But it doesn’t change the fact that the tier set is very unfun to play
young swan
owned
spark maple
i was half a lvl away from whirlwind axe mang 😡
zealous condor
fury feels nice in m+
spark maple
yeah i have a hunter im lvling with my brother
i dont think ill touch warrioor in classic again lol, its SO BAD
shy knot
Its actually so trash
spark maple
fr lmao, everything shits on u and u barely do dmg
shy knot
Ret can survive whatwar couldnt twice over
spark maple
if i had a bubble in the situation that just got me killed, i wouldve survived
all i can say
ornate gust
when you guys do sime, do you pick weekly or nightly build?
shy knot
And you get the plate big weapon king feeling all the same
spark maple
yep, except ur 10x more useful too LOL
shy knot
Yeah I love buffing and saving random ppl on it
spark maple
if u try to save someone as warrior, ur charge will be resisted and ur attack miss
rocky geyser
what did you guys craft as your first 2 crafted items
sudden sail
quick sim question, im trying to sim the fire proc neck from doomlord, but i can only get raidbots to find the low level one, is there a better code or item name i could put in to get it to register the correc item?
plucky ice
didn't craft anything yet 
rocky geyser
i crafter a cloak and im thinking about crafting m+ wrists next
raven spindle
alright, sorry for the noob question. I have a hard time figuring out what Talent tree and Build to go depending on my current gear progress (just got my current 2 piece tier set, dont have a Season 2 set)
teal sable
So no more Ravager?
olive wraith
Nope
olive wraith
alright, sorry for the noob question. I have a hard time figuring out what Talen...
Wowhead
trail bane
Should i prioritize Execute over Bloodbath (no tier buff)
trail bane
Good then im not stupid
empty crest
it isnt for me
olive wraith
Can you ss
marble stratus
are you using a weak aura?
if so try looking at a default button for it. not a macro, not a weak aura and see if it changes there.
empty crest
violet condor
what is stat priority for fury warrior with the tier set
empty crest
embed work pls
empty crest
embed work pls
not a macro, not a weak aura
rare fjord
how do you fit slam into m+ rotation when bt is always 1.5-1.7 cd 😐
fallow dust
https://gyazo.com/6a3ebd56c371f56a2cc102a7a868c2fc
its after rampage, not reck
peak linden
hey guys
Is it normal that the simulation of two pieces of T30/T31 offers less value than 4 pieces of T30?
past pivot
what is stat priority for fury warrior with the tier set
It varies, dpending on gear. Sim, it
empty crest
its after rampage, not reck
I am stupid
past pivot
hey guys
Is it normal that the simulation of two pieces of T30/T31 offers less v...
Should be about equal
empty crest
lmao
edgy widget
hey guys
Is it normal that the simulation of two pieces of T30/T31 offers less v...
it's not unusual, no
olive wraith
how do you fit slam into m+ rotation when bt is always 1.5-1.7 cd 😐
Like this. Ramp -bb-slam-bt-ramp-bb
empty crest
wasnt it after reck tho at some point in dragonflight?
olive wraith
Not to my knowledge
red dirge
whats the fury ST build for 2pc?
mint obsidian
am i doing something wrong?
my most dmg is from Rampage, BB is #2
but on raidbots, i get #1 source of damage BB and #2 is rampage
crystal summit
you're most likely wasting BB charges
make sure to BB before using rampage, even if you have enough to ramp twice
rare fjord
Like this. Ramp -bb-slam-bt-ramp-bb
so its when rampage is unusable and the next bt isnt empowered/
mint obsidian
dont i have to prio Rampage to enrage?
red dirge
whats the fury ST build for 2pc?
??
clever path
Nope
mint obsidian
BB > ramp?
crystal summit
BB > ramp?
always use your BB charge before rampaging
red dirge
Same build as 4pc
this?
clever path
If thats the same build as 4pc yeah
mint obsidian
always use your BB charge before rampaging
oh ok
rotund steppe
best part of superbloom
lavish sage
man i am not used to this shit
its gonna take me a wihle to get hang of the rotation lol
zealous condor
It’s so lame xd
olive wraith
You’ll be using ramp enough
rotund steppe
yeah
mint obsidian
im also having equal casts of BB + Ramp
fading bane
rotund steppe
for every ramp theres 1 bb
mint obsidian
but the dmg is equal
fading bane
cool moonkin form
rotund steppe
brittle crow
for every ramp theres 1 bb
does raidbots count bb and bt as separate things
mint obsidian
for every ramp theres 1 bb
yeah but check my details! outcome
equal casts of bb and ramp
equal dmg also
on raidbots while it has equal casts, BB is doing like 30%? more dmg
how lol
mint obsidian
thin cliff
based on the odyn's in the details screenshot, the details one is cleave/AoE. T31 2pc only applies to the main target. So the ratio of BB vs ramp in AoE is going to be different
mint obsidian
mint obsidian
based on the odyn's in the details screenshot, the details one is cleave/AoE. T3...
ohhhhh
rotund steppe
oh its an AoE sim
thin cliff
ST sim, AoE details looks like
mint obsidian
the sim is patchwr, my details are on AOE
rare fjord
youd take the 2 crit over endurance and shockwave?
rotund steppe
yeah tier set doesnt apply on aoe (why blitz why)
rare fjord
or is taht raiding
cunning zodiac
mint obsidian
youd take the 2 crit over endurance and shockwave?
its the cleve/mt build from icyveins
rare fjord
its the cleve/mt build from icyveins
but is that for m+ or raid
mint obsidian
but is that for m+ or raid
raid
rare fjord
ah good
losing seismic seems like a big hit tho
do u really need the 1% crit that much
rare fjord
but what do you think
steel horizon
what are our actual best trinkets? i dont trust the patchwork sims from bloodmallet
mint obsidian
but what do *you* think
i do not think when it comes to sim...i trust archimtiros
😄
mint obsidian
what are our actual best trinkets? i dont trust the patchwork sims from bloodmal...
the ones im using lol old shit ones
lavish sage
damn i feel like a dumbass with this new rotation
rare fjord
whose opinion leans in which direction
lavish sage
genuinely
mint obsidian
whose opinion leans in which direction
he wrote the guide on icyveins
mint obsidian
damn i feel like a dumbass with this new rotation
whyy
past pivot
what are our actual best trinkets? i dont trust the patchwork sims from bloodmal...
Might and Augury and Signetm it appears
rare fjord
what are our actual best trinkets? i dont trust the patchwork sims from bloodmal...
im rly happy with
mint obsidian
im rly happy with
damn
wild mural
we killed hc fyrakk and augury dropped
and ofc I didn't get it cause I never get shit, lol
rotund steppe
mine got ninjaed and this week it didnt drop
past pivot
I'm about to get 2k Io and my 4p tier and still have a 450 time rift trinket lol.
wild mural
igira is kinda fun on mythic tho
atomic whale
is it okay to sim dungeon slice as fury/arms?
young swan
yeah, as long as you understand whats being simmed
lost rivet
allied wristguard or the molten ones?
young swan
allied wristguard or the molten ones?
personal preference
more st vs more aoe+survivability
keen kindle
allied wristguard or the molten ones?
molten with shadowflame?
lost rivet
molten with shadowflame?
yes
gilded obsidian
if i have the option of any 4 tier pieces to create my tier set, is it best to get all except helm?
lost rivet
personal preference
st is molten with shadow i guess?
young swan
ye
wild mural
fury 💪
mint obsidian
yeah im now getting exactly the same dmg output in priority with raidbots
olive wraith
mint obsidian
on ST
olive wraith
2/2 gaming
mint obsidian
is arms as good as fury atm?
wild mural
who needs one of them busted """"meta"""" classes when you're a fucken warrior
fickle bluff
idk man hes doing 30% more dam
wild mural
cause he got the fyrakk trinket
olive wraith
Ahead of sim rogue and bm though
forest owl
do we use odyns fury before using avatar to get more cdr?
wild mural
my details name is attack power
olive wraith
Yes
wild mural
opener is like charge > rav/roar > of > ramp > bt > ramp > bt > avatar etc
that's what I do atleast
and it seems to work quite well
i've seen like 400k peaks on opener
forest owl
you dont reck>charge first?
forest owl
yeah i thought that just for the rampage on charge
wild mural
ive got reck macroed with roar cause im dyspraxic and can't hit my keys right
just easier for me
but it seems to work pretty well
forest owl
ah fair enough
swift furnace
does somebody know how to set the stats with 4p? do i have to go crit over haste?
atomic whale
im simming better with a 2 piece but i cant get the dps to match the simfor shit
past pivot
im simming better with a 2 piece but i cant get the dps to match the simfor shit
Sims are to show you what you could do under those paramters not what you should be doing in game
atomic whale
yeah i know but it still should be somewhat close
crystal summit
you can't get it close where? a target dummy?
onyx swallow
if u make vers wrists should you still make shadowflame cloak
or do you only make shadowflame cloak if youre going to wear double shadowflame
clever belfry
@warm crag weapon check
oblique trail
do NOT do this to him
next canopy
Rek-charge-ramp-of-bb-ramp-bb-ramp:av-bb
That rotation doesn’t sound too bad
warm crag
🔫
olive wraith
Man no warrior tier dropped from my normal clear
next canopy
Are people getting used to / enjoying the m+ playstyle ?
olive wraith
I’m not finding it as cringe as people are saying
tardy lark
handa does more dps
hunters are not normally
olive wraith
And I only have 2p
tardy lark
Walli and i giga padding roots on tindral and our bm hunter casually doubles our damage
oblique trail
hunters are not normally
I got beat in LFR by two BM hunters with 15 less ilvl than me
what do I do with my life
next canopy
I got beat in LFR by two BM hunters with 15 less ilvl than me
You need T30
olive wraith
Skill issue. Just get 2 pets
next canopy
So you can feel like a chad again
lavish sage
Im using hekili
oblique trail
I think so as well
tardy lark
hekili is not bad ^^
past pivot
It's quite odd. I just tried 2p+2P as Arms and had too many buttons to push. Then tried 2+2 as Fury and was like ready to take a nap and go for a jog between rotations
next canopy
🍆
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silver frigate
got two tokens and sulfuron offhand from my raid Pog
lavish sage
does 4set t31 feel better tan 2
rigid stirrup
anyone might of the ocean gamers w feedback?
dawn pivot
when I upgrade my 2h weapon to 8/8 normal with crests, the other 2h weapon will only need flightstones for 8/8?
oblique trail
yes
silver frigate
have to resist catalysing a veteran chest for 4p rn
left perch
what do I do with my life
Log out
rigid stirrup
wanna see if you're getting the same value in M+ like w vial from last season
oblique trail
yes
dawn pivot
and its best to spend it on 2h weapons than other gear?
carmine mason
ya
carmine mason
weapons then trinks
dawn pivot
and craft rings?
rigid stirrup
Weapon - heroic tier chest/shoulders/legs - then trinkets are my personal order of upgrading rn
tardy lark
handa is 4set
think rogue is 4set as well
rigid stirrup
but I don't have any hero track trinkets yt so i've held up at upgrading those to amx
dawn pivot
why legs? isnt bis the normal leg ?
clever belfry
i havent done first half of hc nor normal nor lfr on warr yet
and i just need 1 (one) piece
rigid stirrup
in terms of stat weights those 3 are usually the heaviest contributing outside of rings/neck
so I go off that assumption
sitting at 475 now after using up all my crest this week
steel horizon
how come these two sim the best for me?
olive wraith
Because they’re good?
lavish sage
because theyre good trinkets
what
"why does the good trinket show me good damage"?
spare otter
My stats are so fucked rn
steel horizon
no i mean like, mor than augury or signet brand
spare otter
I've got so much haste and then I've got 2 haste trinkets 💀
upper mica
Am I right in saying yet again we want to avoid tier legs if doable?
rigid stirrup
nimble basin
How? O.o
spare otter
59% mastery is wild
nimble basin
With runes I hit 62%
olive wraith
Wonder if at that point crit or haste tunes are better
spare otter
Wtf I'm only at like 40%
olive wraith
40 sounds low lol
sullen basin
do i have to do dungeons to get gear as drops? these bitches do not exist
dawn pivot
so with 2p set piece I can run the T31 talent tree?
olive wraith
“All 4p does”
wanton mirage
Its only marginally better in ST.
misty yoke
Shouldn't 2p T31 sim higher than 4p T30 normally?
wanton mirage
U need 4p to use in M+
olive wraith
Nah you don’t need
wanton mirage
I means "technically dont need. " But to get better feeling to transit from t30 to t31
olive wraith
Idk I’m running 2p and it feels okay
You do have to pay attention to cds a bit more though
dawn pivot
do I need any WA for the T31 builds?
olive wraith
Nope
dawn pivot
like the one counting % on BT in T30
olive wraith
I actually keep forgetting to unload kaching
glad valve
Crafting cloak is pure ST right? What do you assume for MT/M+? Lariat?
past pivot
Not lariat
glad valve
What else?
young swan
allied bracers + lariat but lariat kinda blows if you dont have all of ur sockets
legs are a consideration but i'd just craft SF patch anyways
glad valve
warm zephyr
So not lariat then cause you won't have full sockets
glad valve
Helm just cuz i still got 447 helmet
olive wraith
Is this your second craft
glad valve
legs are a consideration but i'd just craft SF patch anyways
on cloak ?
Yea
first one is bracers
dawn pivot
so BT is the new RB?
young swan
just depends what ur gear looks like/what it could look like
young swan
so BT is the new RB?
yuh
glad valve
well, ring and neck farmable in DHT, helmet in atal
So i guess cloak is the only good thing to craft since i already have vers/mastery belt and boots
limpid stratus
hi I wanna asked what tanets should i use for m+. IciVeins tanets are valid or they are trash?
dawn pivot
is it worth going from blood elf into human?
keen kindle
is it worth going from blood elf into human?
not really
eternal nebula
any gamer got the t31 tracker wa?
keen kindle
And why would you want faction swap anyways
olive wraith
Don’t need a wa
rare fjord
which slot is the offtier?
eternal nebula
im dumb, you'd be surprised
keen kindle
which slot is the offtier?
helm but don't care about it for now
olive wraith
Bt/bb light up when tier stacks are available
keen kindle
Just get 4pc
olive wraith
You don’t need wa
keen kindle
Get tier first, then min max stats
limpid stratus
Don’t need a wa
wa for what? With new 4pc you dont need to track anything or?
eternal nebula
actually, aui doesn't light up so im gonna need a wa
dawn pivot
You don’t need wa
so the old WA T30 can go be deleted?
sick kestrel
No tracking just zugging
olive wraith
Well we don’t need to track bt crit chance anymore
rare fjord
helm but don't care about it for now
the mastery-heavy piece? really?
olive wraith
So no you don’t need the kaching one
keen kindle
the mastery-heavy piece? really?
maybe idk. But like I said
Off piece does not matter right now.
tired jungle
every guide is saying we should go mastery and vers
keen kindle
I believe wowhead said that
olive wraith
Every guide says to sim yourself
rare fjord
i have way too much crit now 😦
tired jungle
but sims always stating i should farm for gear with crit
olive wraith
And take stat prio as a very general advice
keen kindle
But really I'm probally just remebering arms
rare fjord
msatery went from 62% to 47%
olive wraith
Sims know best
rare fjord
damn the augury trinket for having crit for a stat
tired jungle
so we trust sims more right
sick kestrel
Sims don't lie
olive wraith
Yes
tired jungle
kk thanks for the info
olive wraith
Except for augury seems like it’s now simming well for some reason
past pivot
Sims don't lie
Sims can lie if not done right but they are more accurate they guessing
digital bronze
im not sure i understand the opener section of the wowhead guide
do you charge OF? or do you get enraged after charging and THEN OF?
(in m+)
olive wraith
Depends on a few things
Are you running the meat cleaver capstone
Or dancing blades
pure pike
I swapped to new tier when I got 2 piece, and it feels terrible. Way too much down time on odyns fury without 4 piece I feel
Doing way more damage with old 4 piece
digital bronze
just copied the m+ build off
olive wraith
Also is this assuming with all cooldowns available?
digital bronze
Also is this assuming with all cooldowns available?
yes
olive wraith
You’d want to rek-charge-rampage-of-bb
digital bronze
oo
rich storm
I don't understand why we're happy with Annihilator, it's easily the most ass talent and especially when compared to other auto-attack enhancing talents that strip buttons away.
olive wraith
Just rek
digital bronze
i had them macro'd ok
olive wraith
Never avatar away from mobs
pure pike
I don't understand why we're happy with Annihilator, it's easily the most ass ta...
I hate it old 4 piece so much better
olive wraith
Ye
olive wraith
I don't understand why we're happy with Annihilator, it's easily the most ass ta...
I’m happy we aren’t playing the same build for 2 years straight
half valve
Iam not really understanding the wowhead guide in terms of MT prio
digital bronze
when do you pot? with rek?
rich storm
Like are we just not bitching on the official forums enough? When are we getting the Paladin treatment
rare fjord
just copied the m+ build off
pain and gain seems like a loss not to take
digital bronze
pain and gain seems like a loss not to take
i just straight copied the wowhead build haha, been arms only til i got 4set
olive wraith
I heal more from bt than pain n gain
rare fjord
fury has way too much hp to ignore pain and gain
esp with all the shit blowing up all the time in group content
digital bronze
ooh i need bloodborn too actually
rare fjord
i never clocked its uptime in m+ but it seems to proc on cd
digital bronze
what do you drop? a point in overwhelming rage?
olive wraith
Like I said though. I heal way more from bt
dawn pivot
whirlwind>slam?
rare fjord
one does not exclude the other
rich storm
I’m happy we aren’t playing the same build for 2 years straight
I wouldn't mind but Annihilator is not that worth it. Wow a whole 4 fury per auto? Cool we just need 40 of those to get off 1 Rampage which is one of our only ways to get enraged for a gracious 5 seconds. Nvm that we're balanced around that 5 second buff and if we dont get it lmao you're sent back to sub 100k dps with no recovery
rare fjord
what do you drop? a point in overwhelming rage?
honestly i think id drop storm bolt : |
olive wraith
We have plenty of enrage uptime
rare fjord
shockwave is enough!
olive wraith
And we have decent rage gen
whole silo
should i get SF cloak or allied wrists first?
olive wraith
Obv not as good as having rek 70+% uptime
rich rock
Do we still aim for a specific % of haste?
olive wraith
But it’s not awful
olive wraith
Do we still aim for a specific % of haste?
Nope. Just sim
rich rock
kkty
digital bronze
honestly i think id drop storm bolt : |
ahh idk too used to having the extra stop tbh, maybe 😄
i guess i have shockwave instead of fear
olive wraith
Crushing force or bounding stride
rare fjord
if a single target stun breaks smtg, then there'd been 10 other ways for the group to stop it
constant self heal rules
gilded pawn
I wouldn't mind but Annihilator is *not* that worth it. Wow a whole 4 fury per a...
the whole point is that annilator is free in terms of gcds
olive wraith
Would be good to drop
gilded pawn
so you are free to press other buttons
mellow nebula
so If I take the talent that makes OF Enrage me, do I still rampage before OF or is it fine to open with OF ?
rare fjord
isnt crushing force a staple of fury now?
errant pond
is the signet brand trink not bis its simming shit for me
olive wraith
Slam is just a filler so ya it’ll lessen the damage from it
But if you’re that worried about self heals then drop it
I think dropping pain and gain is honestly not bad
rare fjord
i think since meta favors endurance, its even better now
rich storm
so you are free to press other buttons
So we're supposed to just sit there and auto a bit waiting for a button?
gilded pawn
no
rare fjord
So we're supposed to just sit there and auto a bit waiting for a button?
you pick slam now so you have smtgto press
😄
olive wraith
I’m literally gcd locked
gilded pawn
the sim having 1 empty gcd every 5 minutes also disagrees with you
olive wraith
99.999999% of the time
gilded pawn
@olive wraith mind running a quicksim for me
olive wraith
I’m on mobile sorry
gilded pawn
bt
vagrant dagger
i hate reckless abandon
olive wraith
Oh heck that’s too much
gilded pawn
thats not even 1 gcd
olive wraith
balmy shore
my bloodbath crit for 823k?
jade fjord
in the opener OF into Spear or or spear into OF?
glad storm
I'm actually really liking the new built with 4 set
glacial smelt
Hey guys, what is the recommended specc for m+?
spare otter
we take dancing blades for m+ on tyrannical?
olive wraith
my bloodbath crit for 823k?
New tier? Sub 35% hp?
olive wraith
we take dancing blades for m+ on tyrannical?
I think I’m gonna just stick with DB
gilded pawn
just play dan
young swan
we take dancing blades for m+ on tyrannical?
you can
olive wraith
Prio damage feels good
gilded pawn
titanic rage is for QOL gamers
rich storm
How? Like actually how, what margin of error did the robot account for?
spare otter
ooooh ok
balmy shore
New tier? Sub 35% hp?
yea new tier but i don't remember when in the fight it happened lmfao
trio boss in waycrest
olive wraith
How? Like actually how, what margin of error did the robot account for?
Simply weave bt every other gcd
And fill with slam/sd/ww
brittle crow
so with no ravager i just sync roar up with avatar yea?
edgy widget
How? Like actually how, what margin of error did the robot account for?
that's not a margin of error (though there is iterative averaging), it just plays better than most people - especially people who are new to the set bonus playstyle
olive wraith
The amount of times something isn’t up is very low
glad storm
I like Titan rage because it helps you front load but that choice node is for preference
Make sure you change the way you play around which one you have picked though
olive wraith
so with no ravager i just sync roar up with avatar yea?
Ya
rich storm
Fair. But what, are we supposed to be spamming as we usually do and wont that take away Annihilators 'contribution' since we're not AAing when we use skills?
atomic whale
so do i go titan rage or db for m+ or is there really no better choice on paper
olive wraith
Fair. But what, are we supposed to be spamming as we usually do and wont that ta...
Bt
sage hamlet
ayo, i was real unlucky with vault and m+ drops, should i craft a 2h or bracers + cloak? 2h sims a bit better but i might get a weapon any time from dungeon or raid
scarlet reef
I thought fury was going to be the clear leader after 4 set but arms is still simming a good 8k higher
brittle crow
Ya
does that mean in my opener i have to delay roar cuz im using odyns first
to get it on cd
olive wraith
For opener you can roar whenever pretty much
rigid stirrup
I play the last 3 seconds everytime brand drops in guild raid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-fRuoMIfpw iykyk
glad storm
Fair. But what, are we supposed to be spamming as we usually do and wont that ta...
You do auto while using skills wtf?
whole silo
should i get SF cloak or allied wrists first?
rich storm
Bt
Then why Annihilator though? I don't understand why we take Annihilator at all I guess
brittle crow
also do i have to make sure set bonus always gets consumed by bloodbath or is it fine to consume it with bloodthirst
brittle crow
Then why Annihilator though? I don't understand why we take Annihilator at all I...
so we can press more bt
no rb = more bt = more good
olive wraith
Because it’s on the left side of the tree under all the bt talents
rich storm
I am baby raging because I went from 115-130k to barely maintaining 100k after going drom 4p30 to 2p31
glad storm
I am baby raging because I went from 115-130k to barely maintaining 100k after g...
Yea, just gotta get used to it and build muscle memory.
olive wraith
It’s okay to not like the playstyle but your reasons for not liking it isn’t realistic
edgy widget
I am baby raging because I went from 115-130k to barely maintaining 100k after g...
ok well first off, 2p is not really a supported playstyle, and going full annihilator with it is kinda... pointless
edgy widget
I didn't say it felt bad
vagrant dagger
compared to last tier kinda feels bad though
edgy widget
but it is kinda pointless to spam BT when there's no benefit from casting BT, considering you don't have 4p yet
brittle crow
compared to last tier kinda feels bad though
idk i like healing for 3% every gcd
olive wraith
It feels ok honestly
brittle crow
every other*
half valve
Need some help with the aoe prio for keys guys.
Do we always dump the Bloodbath, even with full rage?
vagrant dagger
idk i like healing for 3% every gcd
like when did fury ever need more survi
half valve
And where do Exe fit in :S
edgy widget
if you wanna do a 2p hybrid, play AM/Rav with OF instead
olive wraith
Need some help with the aoe prio for keys guys.
Do we always dump the Bloodbath...
Yes
brittle crow
like when did fury ever need more survi
now i can stand in MORE fire
whole silo
I am baby raging because I went from 115-130k to barely maintaining 100k after g...
dont use old 2 piece and new 2 piece it sucks
olive wraith
It’ll be rare that happens now though. Since you need to cast ramp to bb
olive wraith
dont use old 2 piece and new 2 piece it sucks
Disagree
whole silo
it simmed 50k lower dps for me
jovial heart
God this 4pc rotation is so degenerative compared to arms
olive wraith
I’m doing more now
gilded pawn
Fair. But what, are we supposed to be spamming as we usually do and wont that ta...
you do AA when you use skills
olive wraith
God this 4pc rotation is so degenerative compared to arms
You mean the ww spam?
whole silo
how much of an increase for u kal
rich storm
if you wanna do a 2p hybrid, play AM/Rav with OF instead
Its less a choice and more necessity since its hard enough to pug anything as a fury as it is and people listing 460 as req ilevel already made me do it
whole silo
its good for raid ST fights
twilit pelican
So we prio bt over ramp if I am rage capped?
whole silo
for M+ trash
olive wraith
I was averaging around 110k-130k with t30
half valve
31
jovial heart
You mean the ww spam?
no i mean its just BT, Ramage and thats it
half valve
Å
olive wraith
Now I’m doing like 30k more
atomic whale
if you wanna do a 2p hybrid, play AM/Rav with OF instead
should my tree look like this for m+ with 2p?
rare fjord
God this 4pc rotation is so degenerative compared to arms
i love how gloriously insulting it is
rich storm
you do AA when you use skills
Did not know this, thank you
rare fjord
like doing clasic rotation
olive wraith
no i mean its just BT, Ramage and thats it
Arms literally spams ww in aoe. Fury has more buttons
meager gyro
@ Revvez big ups on kill (not gonna actually @ the guy this late)
rich storm
Do you just use the spec posted then, Kalaiath?
olive wraith
Nah run full anni
rich storm
Because with 2 piece I cannot make that work for me
Yeah thats the posted one on wowhead
olive wraith
Haven’t tried the ravager build
Ya the standard build
The rotation does take some getting used to
rare fjord
when you activate OF with avatar, should you slap all 3 bt/bb's before using regular OF?
olive wraith
Since we’re not spamming 1 rage generator
olive wraith
when you activate OF with avatar, should you slap all 3 bt/bb's *before* using r...
Doesn’t matter. Tier stacks to 6
rare fjord
woohoo, i dont have to think!
olive wraith
Ya lol
rich storm
I need to set up my tmws so I can get that dopamine
olive wraith
Most important thing is to keep bt on cooldown
rich storm
Yeah that was difficult, I kept dumping with rampage over using bt
olive wraith
Only time you skip is if you’re over 100 rage, then you can ramp bb ramp
Habits die hard
orchid swift
so super minor but i got some rings i wanna swap in now... but what are we going to do without our Flavour pocket?! 
orchid swift
figured, FUCK
rich storm
Slap it on a crafted ring?
orchid swift
that would be a bit from now though
rich storm
I'm keeping my 2hander in the bank though, just in case
pale cargo
Do we have a WA for the new tier set buffs?
olive wraith
Man asscandy just doesn’t wanna be replaced as oh
rich storm
I already replaced it
olive wraith
Do we have a WA for the new tier set buffs?
Base ui makes bt/bb light up when you have charges
So not really needed
Unless you’re using a ui that hides it
rich storm
Got Smolderon's sword and then Gnarlroot mace real fast
brittle crow
https://i.imgur.com/MHE6i6I.png question
doesnt using roar and ramp before ur first bt waste cooldown reduction gcds
dawn pivot
so on T31 I do odyns fury before avatar?
brittle crow
wouldnt u want to do smth like odyns - bt - roar - bt - ramp -bt
dawn pivot
like odyns then wait 4 sec then avatar?
olive wraith
so on T31 I do odyns fury before avatar?
Yes
prisma oriole
if im still using last tier 4p should i keep using last tier talents? i can get 2pc if i catalyst 1 item dunnot if worth
dawn pivot
does casting avatar overwrite the current odyns fury?
does it add more seconds to the duration?
olive wraith
The bleed?
astral path
I think it adds right?
olive wraith
It pandemics but I don’t remember how much duration
brittle crow
It pandemics but I don’t remember how much duration
3 sec
olive wraith
There ya go
dawn pivot
so why do I have to cast odyns before avatar?
olive wraith
With 2p it doesn’t really matter
astral path
Yeah
dawn pivot
4p
brittle crow
build good habits do it anyways
olive wraith
But ya the cd thing
astral path
Need 4pc to make that work
brittle crow
doesnt using roar and ramp before ur first bt waste cooldown reduction gcds
any1?
rich storm
build good habits do it anyways
This is why I went with the 4p build without having 4p yet
prisma oriole
if im still using last tier 4p should i keep using last tier talents? i can get ...
i guess stay with last tier talents till i get 4pc?
rich storm
Too bad I'm struggling 😭
dawn pivot
so starter is charge->odyns->avatar?
astral path
And then use roar as filler
vagrant cave
Would making a Recklessness->Charge macro be as simple as such, to have it properly give the extra rage?
/Cast Recklessness
/Cast Charge
dawn pivot
? doesnt it stack?
brittle crow
no
brittle crow
I assume you just wanna get roar on cd
yea i get roar but why would u ramp instead of bt
past pivot
Finally got a trinket to drop in Throne. And hero track even. Just that it's the crab...And I have to use it, for now at least. Do I laugh or cry?
brittle crow
the cooldown reduction more valueable than not overcapping isnt it
olive wraith
Ramp to get bb
olive wraith
Slaps
astral path
Finally got a trinket to drop in Throne. And hero track even. Just that it's the...
Learn my ways
I have crab and mirror
rich storm
I need to get rid of my anvil
astral path
Ultimate burst window
brittle crow
Slaps
its funny how last tier set was about using ~6-7 ramps to get 1 bt that does 120k and new tier set just lets you pump out those huge bts every other gcd when its up
olive wraith
No kidding lol
topaz dock
Jesus, 2p burst is insane.
astral path
its funny how last tier set was about using ~6-7 ramps to get 1 bt that does 120...
600k crits make me 😩
brittle crow
600k crits make me 😩
im still only ilvl 449 so im not pumping that hard yet
i saw a 160k crit and i was like zamn
astral path
I’m inflating my numbers
dawn pivot
so I cant cast recklessness and avatar together anymore?
brittle crow
you shouldnt in the first place
astral path
I think it was gnarlroot fire phase
olive wraith
You can but shouldn’t on opener
astral path
Wait what
olive wraith
Outside of opener it’s fine
astral path
Why
gilded pawn
you want to use reck with odyns
olive wraith
Why no macro?
gilded pawn
and avatar couple seconds later
astral path
Ahh
rich storm
Reck gives small avatar, avatar gives small reck
astral path
Right
olive wraith
Also if you rek before charge you have enough rage to ramp first gcd
astral path
I have no 4pc yet tho 🥲
olive wraith
It would be bad to cast avatar away from target
astral path
470 and still 2pc
olive wraith
This still holds true for 2p
olive wraith
Reck gives small avatar, avatar gives small reck
Not anymore
We swap the avatar capstone
rich storm
Yeah as I was typing I forgor
olive wraith
All g
rich storm
Reck gives OF so def dont use that pre fight or pull
topaz dock
Didn't know that 😮
astral path
I though avatar popped OF
vagrant cave
I was about to be really confused xD
fiery storm
im still using t30 and jesus christ my dps is so bad when going against ppl of the same ilvl
its only decent on big aoe
past pivot
im still using t30 and jesus christ my dps is so bad when going against ppl of t...
Are you using t30 talents still?
brittle crow
outside of the opener
does it matter if tier set charges are eaten by bt or bb specifically
cuz sometimes ill have it up, use a bb, but then not have enough rage to ramp bb again
so ill do like bb -> slam -> bt and use a charge on bt
topaz dock
What the hell is bb
brittle crow
bloodbath
fiery storm
Are you using t30 talents still?
yeah and its totally 100% dogshit
chilly sapphire
yeah and its totally 100% dogshit
Same 
fiery storm
just super undergeared i guess -- idk what other classes need to turn their dps on this season but fury feels so dogshit
dull gate
4pc feels clunky as fuck
fiery storm
like if i dont get 4pc next week im def not doing this anymroe lmfao its not fun
i went from consistently top few to absolutely not being anywhere near the top anything anymore with the same group of folks
dull gate
as long as you are still parsing fine
fiery storm
how the fuck do u parse fine in last seasons gear still cause u cant put this seasons gear on lmao
dull gate
have lower ilvl lol
fiery storm
not rele how it works
novel field
Is there one handed axe from fyrakk actually a good alternative? Confused why a one handed is on wowhead 😁
olive wraith
2h are better
past pivot
Is there one handed axe from fyrakk actually a good alternative? Confused why a ...
Tanks use 1handers. Other classes use 1handers. Duh
toxic grove
So on opener I Reck charge OF 3 BT then Avatar?
olive wraith
Ramp before of
topaz dock
Not worth going AM with tier?
olive wraith
It’s lower dps
toxic grove
but i dump the OF BT/BB Stacks before avatar?
toxic grove
anit no way
dull gate
avatar after your OF bleed ends
covert blaze
What the hell is bb
Breaking Bad
olive wraith
anit no way
Watcha mean
topaz dock
My god 2p with BB feels like shit!
olive wraith
It feels fine to me
mellow nebula
so is priority to use BT every other CD, even if you have enough rage for Ramp? Or should I prioritize Ramp when possible so I can use BB sooner?
olive wraith
Bt
topaz dock
No rage dumper, seems so odd ngl
mellow nebula
like lets say I slam, my BT is ready, but now I have enough for Rampage, I still BT into Ramp into BB?
fiery storm
should i just go to the new talents i have 2pc h
olive wraith
Yes
fiery storm
t30 with old talents is so dogshit i feel like i cannot possibly get worse