fury

[silent burrow]

[sinful spoke]

[past pivot]

Can only have 2 embellishments at a time. And why not cloak?

[silent burrow]

it's not end of the world but yeah that's the wrong bracers for m+

[sinful spoke]

Why double shadowflame

[summer quail]

[solid vortex]

i listened to jeventestv on youtube, hes rocking with those 2, only following him cause he seems to be doing fine with the 2 im choosing

[silent burrow]

okay

[sinful spoke]

Oof

[silent burrow]

Like I said, it's not the end of the world. It's fine

[solid vortex]

im considering the interrupt boots

[silent burrow]

wat

[solid vortex]

for m+

[sinful spoke]

The what

[silent burrow]

[solid vortex]

nobody interrupt anymore lol

[sinful spoke]

Pls stop cookong

Cooking

This aint it

[silent burrow]

Sir if you're pushing keys and people aren't interrupting, you have a rough future

[solid vortex]

oh i am as much as the tank, but that 3rd dps is doing like 1/3 of what me and tank are

[silent burrow]

Yeah I mean, it be like that

But interrupt boots

[sinful spoke]

Yeah thats why u gotta find a groupt o push keys

[silent burrow]

lol

[chrome plover]

isn’t haste legs a bad play?

[sinful spoke]

Why grief yourself for the sake of others

[chrome plover]

they fall off hard in higher keys no?

[silent burrow]

Not if you play arms

[chrome plover]

how many bosses this tier let you proc them

it’s a couple but I think less than s1

[silent burrow]

no idea

[summer quail]

ye they fall off pretty hard in higher keys. like last season they were really good in bracken but that was about it

i guess they are pretty ok in blackrook hold, has some adds on 3 bosses and the bats are really good for them

[solid vortex]

oh my keys are fine, its mostly friend groups that suck more, when i go in lfg i choose ppl with 1.2k io+ and everything seems good but when someone in guild that never did either infinite key wants a carry im like ok time to brick this and teach you the fights lol

[sinful spoke]

Thats crazy

[solid vortex]

like the last boss with chromie guy never moves from frontal, same guy did not go in chromie with the blast, then healer forgets to heal chromie, yeah i am a patient person

[sinful spoke]

Why play with those ppl 💀

[past pivot]

I’d follow the pins and guides for recommendations on what to craft for what over what some rando on YouTube says.

[chrome plover]

^

[sinful spoke]

^

[autumn mica]

Simming your own gear is the best. Youtube/twitch should only be starting guidelines.

[sinful spoke]

Shadowflame got giga gutted having 2 doesnt sound optimal

[solid vortex]

ok read the pin, so the patch i made that everybody is criticizing is actually recommended sarcasm so what should i make 2nd one Copy and pasted this: The best single target embellishments are Roiling Shadowflame (armor patch), Fang Adornments, and the Frostfire Belt.

so 2nd one fang adornments or frostfire belt for m+ and raid

[sinful spoke]

Fang adornments is also gutted plus u dont want to make a 2h crafted item any time soon specially with the amount fo good weapons this patch and lego

and u made the shadowflame wrists no? It was supposed to be cloak and then allied wrists

[solid vortex]

why is shadowflame patch so bad, i think its decent, sell me why it is not good

[sinful spoke]

Damage got done got nerfed and dmg taken got buffed

Do the math

[silent burrow]

It's not that it isn't good. It's that vers bracers have more value in m+

[past pivot]

Cloak + allied wrists for m+; cloak + Shadowflame wrists for raid iirc

[solid vortex]

ah so i made a raid piece

[silent burrow]

sfp is single target dot and vers bracers amplify ALL of your damage, and add a small bit of survivability

So they scale better with multitarget

which is the majority of keys

[solid vortex]

so make another bracer today, so one for m+ one for raid

[silent burrow]

I would make your second piece of gear

can't wear two bracers

[sinful spoke]

Do not craft the same slot

Just make cloak at this point anyways lol

[solid vortex]

sporecloak?

[sinful spoke]

Shadowflame cloak

[solid vortex]

oh ok

[silent burrow]

are we looking at the same wowhead guide

[sinful spoke]

In 2 weeks make the allied wrists

[solid vortex]

so put another patch on cloak

so double patch

bracers and cloak

[silent burrow]

correct

[sinful spoke]

Idk im just going by what archi said

[silent burrow]

Wasn't talking to you

[sinful spoke]

Sorry sir

[solid vortex]

i hope the healer dont get mad at me with all this damage ill be taking

[silent burrow]

it's miniscule

[sinful spoke]

Fuck healers

[silver mantle]

What dmg bro?

[solid vortex]

yeah fuck healers, i can self heal

[sinful spoke]

They gotta do their. Job anyways

[silent burrow]

damage from sfp

[silver mantle]

That, like, completely negligible

Basically, your leech alone can cover that

[solid vortex]

so shadowflame patch in 2 weeks i use that in raid still or just stick with allied wristguards in raid as well

[silver mantle]

If you already crafted shadowflame patch wrists, keep those and craft a second one with cloak

[silent burrow]

Basically 2 sfp is ahead in st and sfp allied wristguards is ahead in multitarget

[silver mantle]

Then in 2 weeks craft the allied wrist guards

[solid vortex]

yeah im going with cloak today

[toxic grove]

last boss trinket is crazy hamburger

[silver mantle]

Use allied wristguards in m+

[solid vortex]

i lost roll on last boss trinket /cry

ok so patch for raid in 2 weeks allied for m+ got it

[toxic grove]

12% on overall damage on a M+ 17

not bad at all

[silver mantle]

Boro, sim yourself

[silent burrow]

if it did 12% of your damage then you need to do more damage lol

[oblique trail]

Supposedly Augury just fucks hard

[silent burrow]

It does

It does or it doesn't, I should say

both are on the table lol

[silver mantle]

Time to get it from lfr

[silent burrow]

The lfr version is competitive or above most other trinkets at a heroic ilvl

[solid vortex]

a warlock won the roll and found out 5 mins later oh i dont need it

and some scuffed /roll went on and who knows who won it

[silver mantle]

I am rocking mirror and the volcoross heroic trinket

[plucky ice]

[silver mantle]

Why do I feel that will be the case whole patch

[solid vortex]

i got the bramble trinket off first boss in raid, its actually not bad in m+

[silent burrow]

Forgive my lack of straight line but this shows how strong the lfr version is lol

[oblique trail]

You can also press on a segment and it'll make a line on the site

[silent burrow]

oh lol

how did I not know that haha

[plucky ice]

I will never get augur since loot goes to who has worst gear lol

[silver mantle]

Accelerating Sandglass: Why are we still here, just to suffer?

[oblique trail]

if you knew you couldn't practice your drawing skills

[silent burrow]

I definitely need to practice them

[safe bane]

And I lost the roll in lfr to a 50/50 tie

[silent burrow]

I saw this happen last night actually in normal fyrakk

[solid vortex]

on the crafted stuff, im thinking of going crit mastery cause im always over haste capped atm and if i choose to go arms i got the crit ready

i did haste mastery on bracers and i am kinda regretting putting haste on it

[meager gyro]

Buff warrior 🥲or nerf rogue lol . Watching Rev do tswift prog makes me really wish I had just any tier already

[glad plover]

I just got 4p if you think you will compete with rogues wiht 4p, you are mistaken 😄

[eager wraith]

I've seen it all now

i was kicked from a smolderon hc pug for "low dps" when we kept having to call a wipe before my cds were back up because of idiots dying to avoidable shit

some people are just to dumb to be behind a pc

every pull we got to sub 20% i was #2 dps

actual fuckin amazing

[charred ledge]

Nice ratio

[eager wraith]

i'd rather get declined than waste my entire day on this

[glad plover]

But honestly if they do not change Rogue and DH soon, Warrior will not be invited into keys.

[charred ledge]

I'm so lucky I have a guild to raid with

[nocturne carbon]

i said earlier i wasnt good enough for 1700 week 1, but we did it

[charred ledge]

too bad they all have an m+ clique and I don't LMAO

[eager wraith]

ive grinded from 0 to 466 ilvl by my own m+ keys and pugging raids, and i still dont even get responses from guilds i apply to via discord/ingame/external websites

warrior is a dead class as a pug for sure

[valid moon]

At what time server will be up?

[glad plover]

ST damage is very good, AOE compared to other clases is awful

[nocturne carbon]

2 hour downtime, servers go down in 38 mins

[charred ledge]

I'm 465 ilvl with 4 set, I don't know what more could I do

[valid moon]

Thank you brother

[nocturne carbon]

us/oce - no idea about eu

[solid vortex]

whats a good haste % if you are about 455 ilv atm is it 20% still

[nocturne carbon]

30%+

but sim as always

[solid vortex]

ok now my crit mastery on ny 2nd crafted is out the window, time to get off the crit heh

[nocturne carbon]

stay on the crit imo

[summer quail]

i feel like you are overthinking stats

[nocturne carbon]

im 39 crit 30 haste unbuffed

[silver mantle]

They will probably buff Rogue dmg a bit and give DH another baseline cc

[nocturne carbon]

dont forget we get a leeggo weapon, rogue/dh do not

[heavy gazelle]

SMF gets a leggo?

[silver mantle]

I'm somewhat doubtful the leggo will be enough

[heavy gazelle]

Dual wield WM axes

[silver mantle]

At this point, it's not even a matter of damage.

[nocturne carbon]

i mean it could be and id assume we are tuned for it

[plucky ice]

probably not but enough to beat bad rogues and dhs lmao

[nocturne carbon]

gavel was big right

[silver mantle]

I can beat bad rogues and DHs as is right now

[plucky ice]

well mediocre then

[past pivot]

Stop focusing on stats. Sim

[wild mural]

[dense elbow]

ToT?

[sinful spoke]

Sim it

[wild mural]

yeah on my baby boomy

[sinful spoke]

Talk to me when you do 5 mil

( i havent done 5 mil im yapping)

[winged tartan]

how to sim 4p vs 2p/2p with different talents?

cant find how to change talents in gear compare

[past pivot]

Sim 4p. Then sim 2p+2p. Compare numbers

[winged tartan]

got it

thanks

[valid moon]

Do we know how to get the leggo?

[past pivot]

Not yet

[valid moon]

So you can get it, but no one knows how. Or is not out there for the grabs yet?

[silent burrow]

Probably unlocks with first ce in your region

[past pivot]

Yes, no, maybe

[eager wraith]

so we are rooting for echo then

[silent burrow]

if you want it to take longer

[eager wraith]

im EU

[silent burrow]

rip

[warm crag]

they probably kill the same lockout again so there wont even be a difference

[silent burrow]

depends on when they kill versus when your next kill is really

I imagine we will kill heroic again before it dies ce

[warm crag]

apparently the legendary unlocked the reset after for other guilds

[junior cave]

hi guys

what do u think is better for raid Arms or Fury?

[past pivot]

Will depend on tuning.

[junior cave]

at moment i'm fury doing m+

[opal monolith]

u guys crafting a wep now with 2 sparks? or did u go for an embellish first?

[junior cave]

is correct the guide that say best stat prio is mastery versa and haste?

[opal monolith]

just sim

[past pivot]

with t31, maybe.

[past pivot]

weapon is easy to get.

[junior cave]

so with the 31 that are the best stat?

[opal monolith]

there are no definite best stats, use raidbots and sim ur character

[past pivot]

Whatever sims say, depends on gear

[junior cave]

love u guys

[errant vessel]

Do you need to kill all sentries in TotT to open gates?

[opal monolith]

is there an abundance of weps in the raid and m plus?

[past pivot]

Could be haste/vers or mastery/vers or haste/mastery.

[glad storm]

Last boss TOTT? I've done over 6 million with a 2 set buffed BB under 35% HP

[past pivot]

Yes. Moreso than last season

[opal monolith]

thanks friend

[sinful spoke]

Holy

[junior cave]

do u think i need to wait or i can start to craft a piece?

[glad storm]

2 set BB is nuts under 35% HP. Hits over 400k usually

[past pivot]

By piece, you mean embellishment?

[junior cave]

yes

[past pivot]

yes

[heavy folio]

does wrecking throw have any value on bosses with a shield or waste of a talent point?

[fringe anchor]

just did a 20 without a chestplate cause I forgot I had a pilgrims dress on lmao

[glad storm]

I crafted shadowflame boots and am doing bracers today.

[junior cave]

the guide say cloak and breces

[glad storm]

Definitely, hits like a truck

[junior cave]

are the emblishment to craft is right?

[chrome plover]

you can skip them I believe?

[glad storm]

If you can get it with CDs standing in a spear.

[chrome plover]

maybe lying

[silent burrow]

Does in spear actually matter tho? Cause isn't wrecking throw unable to crit

[glad storm]

Doesn't matter that much which piece to put shadowflame on. In mythic gear you want it on the piece with the least stats because it's 3 lvls lower than mythic gear, but right now you want it on a piece with higher values as it's one of your hither pieces.

[glad storm]

I could be totally wrong, but I thought it always crit. If not, then I'm dumb lol

Still hits like a truck on shields

[silent burrow]

I think it doesn't crit

so a wasted gcd in spear

[glad storm]

You're right, thanks!

[silent burrow]

Yeah I only remember that cause I was sad it couldn't crit on raz lol

[chrome plover]

Yeah same

slamming that shit on raz felt good

[silent burrow]

if it could have crit on raz shield in spear

holy fuck

[true sapphire]

I do miss that on Raz. Reminds me I'm gonna have to work it into build on Tindral.

[digital wadi]

Can taurens duel wield the totems that they got?

[fathom wolf]

No :c

[digital wadi]

The fuck

But can wield one?

[balmy shore]

make wrecking throw crit !!

[lapis yoke]

Make wrecking throw work on incorps

[heavy folio]

where are na vault pics?

[true sapphire]

maintenance for another hour and a half

[olive wraith]

It’ll be faster

[past pivot]

Come back later

[silver frigate]

First atal'dazar and black rook hold on m11+ and I drop the helm and neck back to back let's fucking go

[fading sky]

fack off

😄

[mild kraken]

21 Fall week 1 good or bad?

[warm crag]

awful

[clever path]

you should stop playing

thats how bad it is

dont bother with wow

[humble plover]

30 week 1 or bust. Sorry to tell ya bud

[chilly fractal]

Did a 20 fall the other night and incorporeal spawned too far from the bubble at the end of the fight

We still timed it but was kinda troll spawning where it did

[compact dock]

hi guys, trying to get back on fury for s3 (only m+)
trying to sim 4+ target with annihilator and OF and It just sims 40k less than s2 specs with hurricane.
Should I wait for t31 before switching from s2 spec?

[chilly fractal]

Yes

[mild kraken]

My balls are big af rn on god gimmie 4 set pew pew omega fuck these raid bosss

[eager wraith]

atal +18 (+2) i cant wait to get the 4-set i feel like it would help ALOT

292 BT/BB crits

thats alot of CDR i'd have gotten

[mild kraken]

So we Crit mastery now?

[eager wraith]

mastery/Vers afaik

u get guaranted crits from ur tier etc

[mild kraken]

But Odyns fury cd lowers based off Crit

[eager wraith]

im not a sim god or anything but just from tier gear u have 7.5 sec gone from odyns fury cd. so its a 37.5 sec cd once u got 4set

[mild kraken]

Than don’t speak stats

I’m asking sim gods

[olive wraith]

Just trust sims

[eager wraith]

then go wowhead where the simgods hade typed out their commandmends

if i had 4-set i'd have reset 12,1 minutes of odyns fury cd lol

[mild kraken]

And If you had a 2 set you’d time a 20

[eager wraith]

i have 2set

[mild kraken]

My point exactly

[eager wraith]

i dont understand your point

[covert blaze]

Sim yourself

[strange pivot]

When is server up

[covert blaze]

In an hour I think

[olive wraith]

Any minute now

[covert blaze]

I like your pfp

[strange pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-gif-26024005

Ty

[subtle lagoon]

is 2p/2p worth for m+?

[olive wraith]

Lot of people saying it feels bad

[subtle lagoon]

It's simming like ass for me

[proper peak]

So for those of you that were able to get tier last week and swap to the new spec, how are you guys liking the game play vs T30?

[olive wraith]

On ptr it felt fine with 4p

[covert blaze]

Probably not

[proper peak]

I'm kinda dreading it to be honest. I tried annihilator back in early s1 and hated it. I also enjoy the play style of anger management vs reckless abandon, but I guess I will just have to adapt.

[eternal sundial]

Its less aids now dw

[proper peak]

I've played every version of fury over the last 18+ years so I'm sure I'll adapt to it.

[tall surge]

We need 1500m+ score for hc tier Item?

[narrow narwhal]

2k

[proper peak]

2k

[rotund steppe]

2k

[tall surge]

I see, thanks

[sullen basin]

SMF sim is only 1k dps behind TG sim using as close talents as I can get, is it really only bad because of the legendary?

[olive wraith]

2000

You’re most likely doing something wrong

[sullen basin]

463 +450, 2p2p

maybe just not enough total strength to matter?

[olive wraith]

Link the sims

[sullen basin]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jUN3fGm85aQ6Uzh7QYNSsN

[olive wraith]

Someone smart will most likely be able to tell you why

[light stump]

Any races that bring m+ utility that actually makes a difference?

[sullen basin]

kul tiran? they have a knockback/stun

isnt dracthyr the only actually good one

for m+, because it has like 50 different racial ccs

[dark sky]

Tauren has an aoe stun

probably bis if you're looking for utility as a warrior

[olive wraith]

Dwarf is pretty good

[sullen basin]

goblin lets you jump forward into enemies to die faster

[sullen basin]

maybe its because the stats on the axe havent been determined

[oblique trail]

you simmed the crafted 2hander without stats

[sullen basin]

https://tenor.com/view/champoy-el-risitas-kek-issou-etu-gif-17837830

brb

[olive wraith]

lol 2h+1h sims higher

[brittle crow]

accidentally leeroy'd a whole pull in rise

warrior brain

[oblique trail]

if you are not good at reading sim results yes

[sullen basin]

sims higher than 2 2hs in smf, not higher than 2 2h using non smf

[covert blaze]

Bonzai woke up and chose violence

[sullen basin]

I tried to link the axe with stats and it added it with no stats

[olive wraith]

Is that 2nd highest not a 2h+1h

[sullen basin]

wowhead being funny

no, its 2h + 2h
offhand is winter's stand 450

[vivid inlet]

what ya'll think is the best to craft

[sullen basin]

not a 1hander

[forest ginkgo]

Look on wowhead and check pins made by archi

And most importantly, sim yourself

[ember apex]

why do u wanna play SMF so bad

[dark flower]

^

Just play a rogue at that point

[heavy gazelle]

Why do you want people to play TG?

[olive wraith]

Because it’s free

[dark flower]

And better

[ember apex]

b/c its literally the best version of warrior in any RPG game ever

not even in wow

[olive wraith]

And kinda the whole point of fury

[left perch]

it’s not we want to play X

[ember apex]

dual wielding 2handed weapons is the BEST archetype for melee dps warriors that has ever existed

[viral maple]

Because holding two two-handers is cool

[left perch]

it’s: play what’s best

if smf was better guess what

[sullen basin]

classic andy, no like rogue

[left perch]

I’m smf boy

[ember apex]

every time you see a warrior in any other game walking around with ledos hammer or an ultra fume greatsword. know that ur character can hold two of them

[left perch]

the only exception is frost dk breath spec

[sullen basin]

you only think holding two twohanders is cooler because blizzard fed you titans grip slop and told you its better and made it stronger so now you're like mmmmm titans grip i love it

[heavy gazelle]

But that's the thing, a huge swathe of Fury players would stick to TG if SMF was, say, only 2% better

[left perch]

it’s better but it’s giga brain

[flat sapphire]

If smf was better people would play it cause it's better not because it's cooler

[sullen basin]

no free will

[left perch]

only the bad ones

[ember apex]

even if SMF was marginally better

the stam u get from 2h TG is better for prog

[left perch]

that’s like saying you only use passive trinkets because you don’t like macros

[thin cliff]

I still maintain SMF should have just been a transmog option and replaced with two real talents

[sullen basin]

if smf was 0.1% better almost every warrior would play it except for the RP lfr raiders

[ember apex]

unless ur pushing RWF shit ur not hitting DPS checks hard dps walls

[sullen basin]

I only use passive trinkets because they sim higher than active trinkets

also no player error

[ember apex]

and if ur not HoF ur outgearing everything by the time u get to it

[left perch]

MY MAN

[past pivot]

If you're playing SMF, might as well play DH and get invited to keys

[ember apex]

true

[sullen basin]

DH feels nothing like warrior

[left perch]

This is also true, so if you wanna play whatever you want just play it yep

[flat sapphire]

Smf = small mind furry

[olive wraith]

Dh gets access to double leech pants

[sullen basin]

TG = Testosterone Goon

[olive wraith]

[past pivot]

TG= too good.

[sullen basin]

Super Mega Fun

Special More Fdps

[dark flower]

This ain’t the diss you think it is..

[left perch]

double sigil everything is so insane too

[sullen basin]

man admits to being poisoned by testosterone hold your two big sticks then

[ember apex]

We need Titan's Grip Pro.
Quad-wield 2 handed swords like Goro from mortal combat

[dark flower]

You gotta be trolling now lol

Ain’t no way

[olive wraith]

We need 3 handers

[ember apex]

hes trolling

[sullen basin]

yeah we need more hands actually

hero talents next xpac could do it

[ember apex]

nvm if bova agrees w/ me it means my idea is bad

[viral maple]

https://media.tenor.com/d8ealwoO_pwAAAAd/hammers-this-guy.gif

[waxen wave]

Do you not use your feet to pick things up

[sullen basin]

monks should tbh

[waxen wave]

Smh man using only 2/4 his limbs

[sullen basin]

[olive wraith]

Your anger materializes a third hand to help you wield even larger weapons

Fury now uses 1 wep but it’s the size of the character

[sullen basin]

if death knights can do it with a cooldown why cant we spawn just one extra hand as a passive

[flat sapphire]

Our huge cawks will hold our third weapon

[heavy gazelle]

That's Arms

[olive wraith]

Arms wields a regular 2h

[ember apex]

im on board with this

an actual greatsword

that only we can use

[sullen basin]

most 2handers are just competing with Armageddon and most don't even come close
Even that one is only as big in height, not width

[olive wraith]

Fury will wield a ridiculously huge wep

[ember apex]

like bows for hunters, where they auto get them

[olive wraith]

Think cloud

[ember apex]

no more weapon loot competition

[heavy gazelle]

That's still Arms lol

[olive wraith]

Is arms dk or pally

[sullen basin]

add gunswords so we get a ranged spec yep

[ember apex]

no ranged spec

[sullen basin]

ranged healer spec

[ember apex]

if i wanted to fall asleep during gameplay i'd play evoker

[olive wraith]

Augwarrior

Why does arms even have Bladestorm

[sullen basin]

dont know

they only have one weapon it doesnt make sense

[olive wraith]

Seems like a fury type theme to me honestly

[ember apex]

i swear ranged dps dont know how good they have it barely having to do any mechanics just get to do full damage to boss at 40 yards away

[heavy gazelle]

Because WarCraft 3

[sullen basin]

are you saying blademaster will be the arms hero talent

[dark flower]

dont ever mention it to them though or they'll lose their shit about having to move out of a line and cancel one cast a few times a fight

[sullen basin]

and the fury one will be "guy who is just worse arms"

[olive wraith]

?

[sullen basin]

real

[olive wraith]

Implying fury is worse than arms

[sullen basin]

Suddenly there is mechanics -> the top dps is now a druid, not a warrior

[sudden tusk]

VUALT VUALT VUALT

[eternal sundial]

Echo of nelthation 4 ranged strat

[olive wraith]

Server up?

[eternal sundial]

Very easy much uptime very wow

[sullen basin]

oh yeah you americans have vault early

[ember apex]

echo playing 2 fury and liquid plaiyng 1 fury.
the question isnt whether u need a fury warrior. it's how many

[heavy gazelle]

I mean, Fury gets ravager, why would you want bladestorm?

[ember apex]

we dont spec into ravager w/ T31

[olive wraith]

Prot gets ravager

[eternal sundial]

Cuz bs fucks hard

[sullen basin]

when was the last time someone used ravager? legacy farm?

[heavy gazelle]

Arms doesn't spec BS unless AoE

[ember apex]

patch 3.1 bladestorm fucks hard. now its like white hits

[olive wraith]

Bs just looks like a “I’m so angry let me just spin real fast and kill everything”

[heady saffron]

i get ravager and spear of bastion

to use in sanguine

[bitter fable]

Shadowlands season 2

[sullen basin]

Thunderous Roar should be in fury tree somewhere its a fury only thing to shout really hard

[heady saffron]

pandaria bladestorm fucked

[spiral ermine]

severs up?

[olive wraith]

Loading screen rn

[sullen basin]

I thought you guys got your thing at 5pm

its only half 4

[toxic grove]

I know why I enjoy fury on keys

[olive wraith]

Wooo it’s up

[heavy gazelle]

So you want an ability based on old talent builds?

[balmy shore]

post sick vaults

[toxic grove]

giga movement speed

[bitter fable]

Nah was just not to mention the opener

[heavy gazelle]

Got it

[true sapphire]

tier gloves, 2p time 8)

[heady saffron]

i didnt like the s3 build so ive just been using 2p 2p with the season 1 build

[heavy gazelle]

Grats

[bitter fable]

With leggo you could get a proc from bladestorm chancel it press AA and bs again

[heady saffron]

ez

[sullen basin]

grats on your future offhand

[light stump]

Is critcake playing arms now?

[olive wraith]

He plays both

[dark flower]

signet brand prog bait, or should I actually take this heroic one from my vault?

obv it's gonna sim well

[olive wraith]

Signet is busted in though

[dark flower]

my other option is 483 tier shoulders

[restive peak]

We 483 rezans gamers now

[olive wraith]

I probably won’t take anything from vault until after i clear lfr and normal

[heady saffron]

🤔

[heavy gazelle]

All I'm saying is I want a world where all 4 warrior specs are fun and viable, and they bring back Gladiator.

[chrome plover]

brand pog

[olive wraith]

Warriors in a decent spot rn

[bitter fable]

Smolderon trinket 👀

[heady saffron]

sim time :O

[dark flower]

🤔

[heady saffron]

sheesh

[oblique trail]

thats a hold till raid angle

[dark flower]

yeah I'm thinking the same

[silent burrow]

booo

[eternal sundial]

Tier is tier

[heavy gazelle]

Even if you get shoulders token in raid, save it and use it as leverage to get a different piece

[rigid stirrup]

not bad for first week

[frosty karma]

mirror is pretty nice

[olive wraith]

3min 🤢

[fading bane]

not bis tho

[frosty karma]

mirror fuck good

[fading bane]

tier is tier

[rigid stirrup]

mirror is bait

[frosty karma]

augury sims so low

and then in logs its doing 17k dps

[proper peak]

Didn't realize servers came up. Time for my first dissapointment of the season

[frosty karma]

dont think mirror is bait

bursting ~450k in opener

[calm swallow]

I never get good vault and it has the audacity to give me all this at once -_-

[frosty karma]

i can swap it to vers or mastery with one gem

augury

[true sapphire]

We swap to new built at 2p or 4p?

[frosty karma]

you can at 2p

[tepid fossil]

with no 2h in vault do we send a crafted 2h?

[fading sky]

Holy f poor guy

[rustic latch]

What are u guys crafting with 2nd spark?

[fading sky]

Molly no

[past pivot]

I wouldn't

[fading sky]

Do m+ until u get weap

[tepid fossil]

i have a hero track weapon

[covert blaze]

I got 2 tier options let's goooo

[fading sky]

I would prob take tr8nket

[heady saffron]

🤔

[calm swallow]

I still have no tier though..

[fading sky]

So

U can catalyst it and get from raid

[dark flower]

The normal one I have did 6% of my overall on heroic fyrakk

[frosty karma]

yea, seems better than sim suggest

or mainstat is just insane

[dark flower]

it's better

and scales hard w/ vers

[eternal sundial]

Tell ur guild to give u 2 items for cata + vault 4p

[chrome plover]

2 spark items > 3 weapon ilvls

[calm swallow]

I lost every tier roll in RF, N, and heroic bosses last week lmao

[frosty karma]

look at this max ilvl heroic one
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/aQ3278cXDCZVFjBJ#fight=19&type=damage-done&source=17

7mil dmg

[proper peak]

So I was gonna craft my bracers and cloak today, but then last night the game decided to give me a 463 cloak as one of the few pieces I'd gotten all week. Wonder if I should craft to another slot or just say screw it and still craft to cloak

[fading sky]

Rolls? U play random?

[chrome plover]

it’s the latter

it definitely owns though

[split coyote]

https://gyazo.com/1f4caf821a5bea347a8c4ad4fc36b9b2
good vault when?

[kind fjord]

got 1 piece of heroic tier last week - take augury for sure?

[calm swallow]

I had to pug heroic, my guild does need/greed for rolls so yeah

[chrome plover]

based

[fading sky]

Kek well trinket is very rare

Tier not so mucj

I would take trinket ngl

[past pivot]

No trinket but finally getting tier. If only I could take both pieces in my dungeon slots. Helm has a socket tho

[kind fjord]

ty

[azure coyote]

i have a predicament.. trink/wep over tier >..>

[past pivot]

Wait till raid is over then weapon imo

[mint anchor]

is it better to run the two set or just wait til i get the 4 set

[fading sky]

Id take tier ngl

[olive wraith]

The trink isn’t the best. How many tier do you have

[azure coyote]

0

[toxic grove]

whats bis trinket for aoe

[fading sky]

If u have 483 qeap

[azure coyote]

Tech iCarly I can get 2 bec of mythic plus and heroic fyr

Technically**

[chrome plover]

probably augury by the looks of it

[chilly harbor]

is sporecloak worth crafting if I raid and do M+?

[olive wraith]

Can you hold onto your vault until after raid

[fading sky]

No

[olive wraith]

Spore is bad

[dense elbow]

Not anymore, it was nerfed

[proper peak]

bah

[olive wraith]

Snake trink is pretty good I think

[proper peak]

those bracers have a socket also, but I'm going to craft the vers ones

[fading bane]

snake trink is ok

just beat by many others

[proper peak]

leaning to the butchers block or boots

[dense elbow]

A lot of max weapon in vaults, nice

[eager wraith]

gz on big wep

[balmy shore]

ayo 60+ dungeons paid off

[fading bane]

are the boots hero?

[proper peak]

yeah

[tidal kindle]

MAN I have to take the tier

[fading bane]

they are really good

but same as m+ ones

[fading bane]

yup

[tidal kindle]

@daring laurel @soft totem @young swan @dapper goblet @hallow sphinx

[oblique trail]

so happy for your vualt garms

[tidal kindle]

I'm not

[balmy shore]

why tier bad

[dapper goblet]

L

[tidal kindle]

Cuz i don't get to loot the wep

[dapper goblet]

Bozo warrior

[dense elbow]

Gz on 4set Garms

[proper peak]

I didn't get much loot last week other then both normal raid weapons and tier pants and a cloak from m+

[dark flower]

489 weapon nice

[tidal kindle]

And I'm a bozo warrior

[daring laurel]

Get fucked bozo

[tidal kindle]

XEOS Wonka WINNING again

[daring laurel]

[proper peak]

so no 2pc for me yet

[buoyant salmon]

whos mad

[dapper goblet]

I’ve not checked my bucket yet

[buoyant salmon]

yawn

[proper peak]

I am mad

[eager wraith]

snake eyes

[dapper goblet]

I’ll be sure to let you know what I get

[balmy shore]

nice trinkie

[tidal kindle]

I could say so many mean things rn

[dark flower]

@tidal kindle thoughts on signet brand for prog? Prog bait or actually worth?

[buoyant salmon]

[tidal kindle]

So I'll settle with the nicest

Checks guild tag
You are!

[buoyant salmon]

dude my trinkets are already insane

[hallow sphinx]

📈

[tidal kindle]

https://tenor.com/b1kZx.gif

[tidal kindle]

Dont know, dont have

But it cranks

[dark flower]

🫡

[tidal kindle]

Ask gajeel

Hey @hallow sphinx thoughts on signet brand for prog?

[dark flower]

@hallow sphinx Signet brand prog bait or worth?

[proper peak]

I dont think I wanna take a normal snake trinket

[tidal kindle]

....

[dense elbow]

Big

[dark flower]

+58 lol

[eager wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/owen-wilson-wow-marley-and-me-smooth-hd-hq-gif-977282450591946462

[azure coyote]

yo its fine to loot my vault after raid?

[olive wraith]

Ya

[dense elbow]

As long you tell ppl you got stuff in vault, for sure

[oblique trail]

dont worry tomorrow I'll share my vault and we'll be in the same spot together

[tidal kindle]

👍

[oblique trail]

no weppie gamer

[desert cloud]

Never

Tell them

[dense elbow]

Toxikk

[desert cloud]

My loot

[dense elbow]

Our loot

[desert cloud]

[olive wraith]

Tell them so you get funneled a tier piece

[dark flower]

[restive glacier]

should i take myth mirror of fractured tomorrows or something else ?

[dark flower]

that's a sim question right there

[olive wraith]

I dislike mirror

[sudden tusk]

i got the same dogshit legs man

i want to die

[dense elbow]

I would prob concider trinky, in case there are 3min burst events. Do some research tho

[mossy fox]

cant really play fury until i get new 4p

[dense elbow]

Critmage here with fake news

[proper peak]

I got 1 piece of tier and nothing to shove in the catalyst for the 2nd

[waxen wave]

Same

I just took the legs and converted M+ shoulders

[dark flower]

your guild not funneling you?

[desert cloud]

They funneling rogues and DH

I guess

And cockvokers

[tidal kindle]

Works for me for now cuz I am down rtemendous on haste

[dense elbow]

Punished for his stream talk

[tidal kindle]

But like

Last tier I was in pants till all prog

[dark flower]

Punished for his performance man

[tidal kindle]

Same story again

[dark flower]

Dude cranks

[tidal kindle]

🪢

[dense elbow]

Watch his stream for context

[dark flower]

I'm not about to go look up a vod or randomly namedf twitch clip

[normal jetty]

Quick question: Is it better to stick to 4pc tier set 2 bonus until I get the 4pc for the new one or go 2pc/2pc ?

[olive wraith]

Streamer gets absolutely fucked with hands

[dense elbow]

2/2, is what ppl preach

[olive wraith]

St 2/2 is ahead I think. Mt t30 is better. But sim

[normal jetty]

Okay, thanks

[proper peak]

I assume butchers block is crap

[urban tapir]

the friendship badge sims higher short term, but the 480 chest & helm would be good for Cata myth track, what would you guys do. Pip sims +800 dps. Im leaning the 480 chest/helm tbh. (I already have the ring)

[olive wraith]

It’s okay

[hallow sphinx]

It’s fine IMO

[chrome plover]

did you use catalyst yet?

[urban tapir]

No sir

[chrome plover]

then probably a catalyst piece, you can farm better trinkets from m+/heroic

[urban tapir]

exactly my thought with thrones/rezan trink

[chrome plover]

800 dps that you will replace vs myth track tier

[urban tapir]

Gotcha, thx chawie

[chrome plover]

I’d take catalyst piece personally

[regal falcon]

if I have 0 tier should I take the helm here and convert something else I have into tier for 2p?

[stone stirrup]

sadge what should i take

[olive wraith]

Are you able to wait until after clearing raid

[past pivot]

Don't catalyst till 4p is the advice most are giving

[regal falcon]

guess I'll wait and see if I get anything from a norm run tonight first

[warm lark]

Vaults stays until you collect it

[olive wraith]

I wasn’t asking that my b

I meant for the guy asking what he should take from vault

[tidal kindle]

[sudden tusk]

man 2 of my vualt slots

[chilly harbor]

so shadowflame cloak and allied bracers?

[sudden tusk]

were cloaks

[olive wraith]

I might do ring this week

[gusty sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/crunch-cat-luna-eat-gif-3997701764820700221

[tawny citrus]

As someone that plays prot and fury, should i set my loot spec to fury for my vault? That way I have a chance to get 1hers, 2hers, or dps trinkets.

[alpine flax]

##++++##

+++

[hallow sphinx]

😈

[olive wraith]

Honestly I’d probably still open it in arms

And just grind for the 1h

[chrome plover]

^

Shield matters more right

just go prot spec for good shield dungeons and open vault as arms

[unkempt locust]

I have a choice between grabbing tier hands or gnarlroots weapon on heroic. I have 0p

[sudden tusk]

💋

[olive wraith]

Are you down to wait until after you clear raid this week

[regal falcon]

What's the point of not giving us our keystone when we open the vault and only after we choose an item

[past pivot]

You can askl the panda for one

[chrome plover]

^^^

[regal falcon]

Ah shit you right

[barren dagger]

does cataclysmic trinket deal a lot of damage to yourself? should i avoid it on prog?

[regal falcon]

Thanks for the heads up

[chrome plover]

#fury message

[barren dagger]

oh poggies

ty

[covert blaze]

🧎‍♂️

[unkempt locust]

@olive wraith that's the plan. Due to twerkyday only raiding today soo I'm just here chillin seeing what I gets lol

[dapper goblet]

@tidal kindle my buckis was not great either sir

[glad coyote]

anybody have a list of trinkets for M+?

wowhead just has singletarget

[tidal kindle]

🫂

[chrome plover]

Augury fuck good

might of the ocean good

Crab good

that’s my list

[keen stone]

No tier in vault sadge, is there some crazy chase item i should be looking for outside of tier?

[chrome plover]

Myth track weapon or one of the giga trinkets

[covert blaze]

smolderon trinket

[keen stone]

even if its normal?

[chrome plover]

I think that’s the wrong one

[keen stone]

oh yeah it is

[oblique trail]

When people say smolderon trinket they mean the signet brand

[keen stone]

its catalysmic that i need

[glad coyote]

how well does the copiled serpent idol sims in m+?

[keen stone]

fuck never lucky

[olive wraith]

Serpent is better for st I think

Not bad for tyr weeks I guess

[ashen socket]

You gon eat that?

5 piece gaming

too bad it wasnt a wep or rezan

[merry zinc]

Should we still be opening our vault in arms?

[ashen socket]

yes\

[merry zinc]

ty

[ashen socket]

unless you hate yourself and wanna play smf

[sage ridge]

What is the opener looking like with the new T31?

I used to cast Avatar and Reck then charge in

Do you just do that same except delay Avatar?

So maybe like Reck > Charge > Slam > Ramapage > Odyn's Fury > Spear or Roar?

[fading bane]

Reck - > Charge -> Ramp -> OF -> Spear -> BB -> Ramp -> BB -> (OF when the debuff drops) -> Ramp -> BB

something like this

[sage ridge]

Thought it would look like that. Do you always get anough rage for the Ramapage without a slam?

[rustic latch]

which embelishment are u guys going to craft now?

[sage ridge]

I know last patch I would have to use Onslaught sometimes

[fading bane]

in opener yeah

u just ramp bb ramp bb ramp bb

[oak garden]

get the weapon or T-Set if someone is new

[fading bane]

for a while

[earnest aspen]

I reck - charge - OF - rampage - Dragonroar - bloodthirst - rampage- then avatar

[fading bane]

then OF isnt enraged

[earnest aspen]

idk tho xD

[sage ridge]

Yeah

You want enrage

[earnest aspen]

arh okay yea

[cedar edge]

should i be changing talents at 2p/2p or waiting for 4p?

[earnest aspen]

so rampage first

[fading bane]

unless u play Titanic Rage

which u shouldnt

outside M+

id also not play Titanic Rage on Tyran

Dancing Blades is insane ST boost

[sage ridge]

This rotation seems to be a bit more engaging than the last

[fervent blade]

anyone else running sims and new 4pc and build is still dps loss over old tier?

[fading bane]

link the sim

that sounds like a wrong sim

[nimble basin]

^

[fervent blade]

mind you this is aoe

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gTW1fmi7puvgjcsFb57iCk

[fading bane]

thats only 3 pc no?

[fervent blade]

hold on it linked the wrong one

[fading bane]

pants chest helm

[fervent blade]

go down further

its there

[wild mica]

just to be sure i remember correctly, OF enrages you with titanic rage before it deals damage right?

[oblique trail]

yes

[wild mica]

tyty

[rotund iron]

Is fury stronger than arms with t31

[fading bane]

you do have shockwave

[oblique trail]

on paper they're about equal on ST

[fading bane]

with the new build

and no short roar

[oblique trail]

On AoE idk any numbers, but they're both strong in M+ with 4p

[glad coyote]

how big is coiled serpent idol in m+?

[rotund iron]

So what do we want from the vault

[wild mica]

i was happy with a weapon

[fading bane]

serpent seems ass in m+

[rotund iron]

Big wep? Or trinket

[fading bane]

unless u proc it on a low hp mob

that dies

and it spreads

[solemn widget]

Shadowflame patch says its bis on cloak and bracers I did first craft on bracers need my second one today and I could do cloak but I have high hero AD cloak with haste mastery and I have season 1 boots with shadowflame still on them is replacing the boots for 483 shadowflame an L?

[fading bane]

well you can just farm the boots

but i dont think cloak vs boots w shadowflame is that big a diff

[oblique trail]

Mythic track weapon > Augury/Brand (probably heroic or above only) > Mythic track Rezan's Eye/Might of the Ocean (not sure on Might's importance here, both farmable from M+) > Mythic track catalyst piece/tier piece > Hero track weapon > Rest

Is probably how I'd put it

But it's all contextual to what you have on you

[rotund iron]

Oh okay appreciate that

[oblique trail]

Simming in top gear with your vault options gives you the best answer

[rocky wharf]

how is pip trinket? not sure if simming right, but trinket is 1200+ dps gain. 2pc+2pc is dps lost

[oblique trail]

Pip is just fine

It's a stat stick basically which is good on both ST and AoE

But there are better options than it

[rocky wharf]

oh i have to change talents for 2pc+ 2pc huh? lol how tf do that in raidbots

[oblique trail]

Through top gear

Below gems/enchants you can input talent loadouts

Just copy the one from the wowhead guide if you don't know what it should look like

[rocky wharf]

kk thx. though it doesnt load catalyst options to complete 2pc. ill figure it out. found the convert option 😄

[restive peak]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wZfBuidTithbWpB9ij2sPw

Holy fuck we're gamin bois

[dapper goblet]

Fake trinket sim

-6k

190k bozo

[restive peak]

Which 1s fake XD

FUCK WHATS BAITING ME XEOS WHAT DONT I KNOW

[oblique trail]

donmt ever listen to xeos

biggest mistake of life

[dapper goblet]

signet just

isnt 9k increase

fake news

[restive peak]

Signet fucks pretty hard

On ST only lol

[dapper goblet]

100 percentile

[quasi oak]

Is Gorehowl any good?

[fervent blade]

okay here it is corrected to dps talents instead of shockwave https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nZtUNFyDXeNq3Fkhanh18V
still showing a dps loss in aoe

[restive peak]

Gorehowl is boss as fuck

[arctic copper]

does teh demonbane proc have any worthy uses?

[oblique trail]

it does a bit of extra damage to demons

but mostly cosmetic

[arctic copper]

oh, i meant are there demons in raid? i dont actually follow the lore

[oblique trail]

nop

[quasi oak]

k ty, only other vault option was shoulders i'd have to waste a catalyst charge on

[oblique trail]

There are demons in blackrook hold and darkheart thicket

don't think in any other dungeon

[golden hare]

i'm a demon in raid 😈

[oblique trail]

you are a demon period erga

[chrome prism]

does fury change talents if 2/2 or do they have to wait for the full 4 piece?

[chrome plover]

change at 2

[short spire]

quick question to help guild

in council

what boss to focus first?

[dark flower]

Really depends imo. I changed 2/2 for raid and it felt fine, but M+ felt horrible.

[vernal stump]

its crazy how fast people throw on their 4 piece so soon after the release of a new tier. ill be 2 to 4 more weeks minimum getting to where some of you are now.

[balmy chasm]

hey fellas, rotation question, if enranged and at cap/close to cap, do i rampage or blood bath?

[dark flower]

BB

For the dam and to consume the charge

then dump the rampage

[balmy chasm]

ah alright, tyvm

[dark flower]

np

[gusty cloak]

sry whats bb?

[dark flower]

bloodbath

[left perch]

baby too

[glossy sun]

Should I wait 2 sparks for a weapon if not what should I craft first, are we still using Lariat ?

[dark flower]

Archi's guide on wowhead is up to date I'd suggest checking that

For what you should spend sparks on

[errant pond]

Nightmare egg shell any good?

[dapper goblet]

👨‍🦼

[rotund iron]

dogshit

[analog charm]

does 4P work on cleaved targets w BT or no

[rotund iron]

https://raider.io/characters/us/kelthuzad/Krushd

no idea what to do here

[oblique trail]

you only get the CDR once per cast, but this also means that if just 1 of the 5 targets you hit with a BT gets crit, you get the CDR

[cedar edge]

i need to learn arms

[past pivot]

why?

[cedar edge]

build feels stinky

[silver mantle]

Got smolderon trinket from LFR. Am I gaming guys?

[cedar edge]

too clunky

[past pivot]

You have 4P

[ancient peak]

been away for a while why is Thunderclap taken on DPS now?

[fickle bluff]

its not

you never touch it as fury

[glad coyote]

you look at it

but dont touch

[ancient peak]

Inderestin

[chilly harbor]

signet brand trinket sims lower than might of the ocean for me?

[deft thicket]

can i recraft my allied wristguards that i have crafted to s1 ? or should i craft them again from scratch?

[chilly harbor]

U can recraft

[sudden tusk]

FIRST KEY OF THE WEEk

1/55

IT EXISTS

[glad coyote]

seen it drop 4 times

all for others

[charred panther]

warchief is in boyz

[mystic briar]

which site between wowhead and icy-veins is more up-to-date on the bis gear list because they are different from eachother

[eager wraith]

[glad coyote]

rip

[eager wraith]

i just wanted a quick m+ before bed

ended up boosting ppl doing 50k dps

[summer quail]

how did you boost anyone when you did 50k dps

[ember apex]

they were doing 50k dps

he was boosting them

[summer quail]

shh

[ember apex]

50k dps is like what ppl were doing in s1 pre-raid open world epics

[summer quail]

let me have my sarcastic answer in peace

[gray parrot]

Anybody else get 20 renown and guy doesn't have quest for wyrm crest?

how do I avoid this

[summer quail]

you just buy it from the vendor

there's no quest

[cunning zodiac]

with new tier do you basically just press BB when its up?

[edgy widget]

T_T

This seems good, except I actually got 4p week 1 this time...

[summer quail]

that neck kinda fcks tho

[eager wraith]

EU checking in, cya tmrw

[frosty karma]

full 4 set vault

[edgy widget]

Yeah it's not terrible, just... annoying lol

last season I couldn't get tier in the vault to save my fucking life

[summer quail]

like i would gladly take that neck

[frosty karma]

yea its nice for arms

[summer quail]

it's mastery vers, better for fury

[frosty karma]

you mean the ring then

because the neck is from throne

ring is from dht

[summer quail]

no, the neck that archi got

[eager wraith]

Im just happy they hotfixed the elite tier gear to be upgradable to 483

[young swan]

[frosty karma]

oh nvm you right, im actually blind

[chrome plover]

it's from brh and it's vers/mast

[frosty karma]

yeye

[young swan]

i have 3pc between bags and vault

[flint narwhal]

yea, same - need to get lucky out of raid

is the 2pc/2pc worth it?

dropping 4 pc old?

[eager wraith]

i have omnitoken from normal fyrakk, just need 1 out of 3 possible pieces and im gonna farm 25's

[summer quail]

i would personally not play fury til 4p

@flint narwhal

[flint narwhal]

roger

[oblique trail]

You can play 2p2p in raid

But in M+ it's jank

[flint narwhal]

do you always get an omni token from normal Fryakk?

[eager wraith]

he always drops 1 i think

[flint narwhal]

like only 1 person can get it

[eager wraith]

ye

i lost every item that night then won the omnitoken

[fickle bluff]

1 per 10 people

[hybrid flicker]

Do I take MotO even though sandglass sims higher?

[quaint stag]

Probably better for m+ I imagine

[rotund steppe]

whats the reasoning behind this

[rich marlin]

i have no idea what to pick here

[oblique trail]

Might of the Ocean gains a lot more value in M+/AoE compared to Sandglass

[edgy widget]

that's what sims are for! just make sure if you're simming new tier that you run annihilator spec

[rich marlin]

true but based on sims nothing is too big of an upgrade, figure just take highest ilvl for catalyst fodder

[dense elm]

[fathom umbra]

Bloodbah and exceture > Rampage?

[twilit harbor]

sandglass was doing well in some 5 target and dungeon slice sims i was testing

value for ST and MT

[vivid inlet]

what embellishement yall think is best to make

[past pivot]

check the guide in the news

[vivid inlet]

yy i know

[past pivot]

The one that just came out

[clever path]

Do you guys think having ST damage trinkets on bosses will be better in a prog group than compared to a more aoe trinket?

[past pivot]

Depends what you need

[clever path]

Damn, great vault

[edgy widget]

execute kinda falls in between, depending on the place in the rotation; during CDs you'll prio sending BB/Ramp, but outside of that Execute is used to keep filling the rotation

[clever path]

Also, ffs, shadowflame is still our BiS embellishments

Archi, is shadowflame significantly better than the allied wrist?

[olive wraith]

It’s ahead in st

[edgy widget]

you can sim it yourself

[clever path]

Wait, so the guide is wrong?

[edgy widget]

no, the guide says shadowflame is ahead... and it is

[olive wraith]

A lot of people are still doing allied wrists for m+ and iirc it’s not too far behind in st

[vivid inlet]

Does arms still look better than fury in both m+ and raid? Or do you reckon fury will overtake with 4 piece

[past pivot]

eventual plan would be to make allied wrists for M+, shadowflame wrists for raid, I would think. Maybe not tho. We'll see

[olive wraith]

M+ looks like arms

[clever path]

Damn, already made the allied wrists

[olive wraith]

Raid I think fury is better on most fights. Idk though

Wrists are perfectly fine though

[merry night]

is fury actually good chat

[brave cairn]

yo

does anyone still have that WA for spell reflect?

[wraith shuttle]

So when are we breaking last season's tier? 2pc of current, or are we waiting for 4pc

[brave cairn]

that spams the party so they dont int and kick

[olive wraith]

Fury is fine

[brave cairn]

2piece 2piece is good

[merry night]

all my homies hate arms

[wet wraith]

2 piece feels so lame by itself, sucks that its better

[olive wraith]

Sim knows best. But anecdotal-y people aren’t liking 2/2 for m+

[wraith shuttle]

That was my thought, too

[brave cairn]

i wish the tiers would be reversed

would be so much more fun

[wet wraith]

i wish they would delete tier

[brave cairn]

we'd lack damage but the rotation wouldnt be ass

[olive wraith]

Rotation is fine

[merry night]

fury rotation feels so clunky rn

[wet wraith]

yeah not a fan