But in raid it's more pronounced when a spec is better than the other (usually) on a fight
#fury
oblique trail
wild mural
we are gaming out here
mint obsidian
But in raid it's more pronounced when a spec is better than the other (usually) ...
ah gotcha, for m+ , Arms has good AoE? do we use WW as filler?
wild mural
we are so backj
spark goblet
yo someone tried simple minded fury?
oblique trail
ah gotcha, for m+ , Arms has good AoE? do we use WW as filler?
depends on your build
oblique trail
yo someone tried simple minded fury?
no and its bad
unreal onyx
we are gaming out here
big pad action
wild mural
always
oblique trail
depends on your build
but yes Arms atm has good AoE
unreal onyx
I got a 43 on tindral overall, but 89 boss-dmg
oblique trail
However compared to Fury, as Arms you focus more on AoE or ST, and don't have the luxury of doing both without sacrificing much
wild mural
damage to bosses
unreal onyx
big gnarlroot
twilit pelican
wild mural
I was gaming
wild mural
i want my 4p alreadyu
covert blaze
damage to bosses
Did you die to the hole in the middle
covert blaze
When the roots happen (iirc) there's s dead zone in the middle that if you step in it you die
covert blaze
The other 2 warriors in my guild died to it 
wild mural
it was wednesday and I've had a lot to drink since then
unreal onyx
yeah i think so
dapper goblet
👨🦼
modest condor
not sure how you sim so high.. as your gear isnt much diff from mine, also... your mythic logs.. was this boosted or did you play?
rotund steppe
its the gaming chair
rotund steppe
roid left us forever
summer quail
where Yazuka
wild mural
we're making amends for wednesday out here
left perch
where Yazuka
unreal onyx
gilded pawn
not sure how you sim so high.. as your gear isnt much diff from mine, also... yo...
Do you have the original content
wild mural
not sure how you sim so high.. as your gear isnt much diff from mine, also... yo...
holy shit
strong aspen
hey fury friends, new build isnt good until we have new tier right?
runic pine
hey fury friends, new build isnt good until we have new tier right?
Yeah you wouldn’t run annihilator until tier set
serene charm
Hey guys can anyone help me out a bit with my fury warrior? I'm a bit lost in what do rn, pls DM <3 thanks in advance
runic pine
Hey guys can anyone help me out a bit with my fury warrior? I'm a bit lost in wh...
First place I’d start is #268491842637660160
strong aspen
Yeah you wouldn’t run annihilator until tier set
ty my friend, anyways tried it just to test, apart of low dps cause of no tier, u like it? i miss the spam of RB and WW...
serene charm
First place I’d start is <#268491842637660160>
Yeah I looked there, my question are not really answered there :/
covert blaze
Just ask the question here directly
last lichen
Yeah I looked there, my question are not really answered there :/
Dew it, no judgment 🙂
prime charm
i have noticed out of all the dungeons, my lowest dps seems to come on the first main area and boss of Murozonds Rise
serene charm
I have a lot of currencies, crests and stuff and I'm lost on what to spend it on, if I should use it on my current gear or get new gear and use it on that. I haven't played a lot of DF and would just like to know what the most effecient way to use this stuff on is.
Like I dont wanna waste it on a gear piece and then get it swapped out, that's why I'm lost on what to do with it :/
last lichen
Weps are always a good option, if you upgrade one the other will be an upgrade cost of no crests just flightstones
modest condor
Do you have the original content
just ctrl f the line
runic pine
Crests are only going to get more plentiful
serene charm
Weps are always a good option, if you upgrade one the other will be an upgrade c...
What is weps?
runic pine
For most people worrying over what to upgrade or not upgrade isn’t going to matter
runic pine
What is weps?
Weapons
last lichen
weapons, 2handers 🙂
serene charm
Weapons
Oh so if I upgrade one weapon the other one won't need crests to upgrade?
That's good I guess
last lichen
yea if youre trying to be conservative, but like griff said we'll be getting a lot through the weeks
serene charm
My weapons are whats holding my ilvl back at the moment so I guess I should go for weapon upgrades first
runic pine
Yeah just costs flightstones to upgrade to whatever ilvl your highest ilvl of the same slot is
Whelp and drake crests are basically not worth worrying about
serene charm
Can't afford a full 8/8 upgrade, should I do 6/8 rn and get the last 2 later or is it that not efficient or does it not matter?
serene charm
Whelp and drake crests are basically not worth worrying about
Okey I see..
runic pine
Only crests worth maximizing imo is like aspect stuff
serene charm
Only crests worth maximizing imo is like aspect stuff
Got it
I'll do my weapons first then
and for the Spark of Dreams, I assume there is a BiS list of what I should them on first on Fury?
covert blaze
Just send whelps and drakes imo
turbid stone
Somehow I've managed to piece together gear to 436 ilvl with entirely too much damned haste. 34% haste, 34% mastery, 7% verse, 17% crit, 1 piece of tier new tier. 😦
runic pine
No such thing as too much haste
serene charm
the thing is it seems my BiS gear for Spark of Dreams would just replace my highest ilvl I got right now, so it feels like a waste even tho its probably not
unreal onyx
getting there
turbid stone
No such thing as too much haste
My damage is way low, even on sims. I feel like I should be at more than 40-something k dps at 436 ilvl? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/q6kud6SLttFghKyNQjiUHi
unreal onyx
the thing is it seems my BiS gear for Spark of Dreams would just replace my high...
bracers and shadowflame patch cloak is so far the play
wintry comet
For most people worrying over what to upgrade or not upgrade isn’t going to matt...
Gud weapon hit gud
serene charm
bracers and shadowflame patch cloak is so far the play
ye I saw that, sadly those r my highest pieces, I guess I just do it anyways?
strong aspen
1 shadowflame and bracers also for m+?
runic pine
My damage is way low, even on sims. I feel like I should be at more than 40-some...
Your build is fucked
OF and annihilator without tier set
subtle lagoon
SMF
turbid stone
meager gyro
My damage is way low, even on sims. I feel like I should be at more than 40-some...
You need to run raging blow build that goes down the right side of the tree until you have new tier
serene charm
Thank you guys for the insight, I appreciate it, makes the game funnier to play <3
turbid stone
You need to run raging blow build that goes down the right side of the tree unti...
thank you! 2/4 or 4/4?
teal sable
Are we haste mastery or crit haste this season
meager gyro
thank you! 2/4 or 4/4?
The odyns fury build can be used once you have 2 piece. However if you're just trying to do most damage until geared arms can be the way
wild mural
south kayak
I just noticed how many fights have invulnerability phases in this patch lol
Brh last boss, everbloom 2 bosses
chrome plover
also 3 of the last bosses have giga damage amp to ruin overall
south kayak
Ozumat
unreal onyx
ye I saw that, sadly those r my highest pieces, I guess I just do it anyways?
you don't craft bracers for ilvl or stats, you craft them for the effect
south kayak
also 3 of the last bosses have giga damage amp to ruin overall <:xan:10941279797...
Who
chrome plover
brh, everbloom, tott
chrome plover
yeah
south kayak
Did you know there’s a tree NPC called Gnarlroot in Everbloom
Literally the same name as the boss
chrome plover
maybe it's the same tree
chrome plover
maybe the trees didnt like us there
serene charm
you don't craft bracers for ilvl or stats, you craft them for the effect
Alr thanks will do
chrome plover
but now they do
wanton mirage
do we get another catalyst charge in coming Tuesday?
south kayak
No, next one
fallen ginkgo
Is it worth going for 2p 2p?
wild mural
I think it comes out better on ST
fallen ginkgo
Hmmm
last lichen
if people dont fuck it up
Truuu lol
unreal onyx
2p2p better st, 2p2p worse m+
wild mural
twas me who fucked it up this time
fallen ginkgo
2p2p better st, 2p2p worse m+
Aight, thank you sir
wanton mirage
2+2 in M+ is pretty good in low keys.
this is Everbloom 15 😄
Kaziln is on 4p. I'm on 2+2.
covert blaze
twas me who fucked it up this time
noob
covert blaze
Smolderon is giga fun
buoyant mica
erm, so ive been using lariat since ssn 1. i dont see it anywhere on the guides as recommended 😅 is it really considered a weaker choice? purely for M+ aoe cleave. I use that + frostfire leggings
covert blaze
Shit ton of tornadoes on 30 man
covert blaze
5 ppl
heavy folio
you guys lusting on pull or intermission on smol hc?
wild mural
pull for us
unreal onyx
council is so bad
wild mural
pull 7
trail cliff
Do we macro slam with annhalation?
chrome plover
Do we macro slam with annhalation?
annihilator is a passive
trail cliff
annihilator is a passive
Bloodthirst, my b
chrome plover
you should have them on separate buttons
cyan heron
Is it just bloodthrist after every other gcd?
wild mural
unreal onyx
Should I run auto build with a 2/2 setup?
seems like 2p2p is better in ST, but worse in m+
trail cliff
👍
olive wraith
Is it just bloodthrist after every other gcd?
Pretty much
olive wraith
Do we macro slam with annhalation?
They both share gcd so that won’t work
cyan heron
Mmm my dps seems to drop off real fast. I burst semi decent but then I drop to like 100k at 460ilvl
olive wraith
T31?
cyan heron
2/2 set single target with auto build
Maybe not enough vers/mastery since I was arms before hand
unreal onyx
shoulder gamer?
heavy sparrow
You know a easy way to know when someone is probably just copying a build without understanding anything?
When they copy the tier set build without having the tier set? That's the bis? Guess ill copy that... It's only bis if you have the set though..
wild mural
im prolly not gonna get anything from tindral or fyrakk
trail cliff
Fury squad
clever belfry
wild mural
unreal onyx
world 599 aotc
wild mural
with bigger groups esp it seems 😄
clever belfry
8h raid week with splits is 💀
gilded pawn
Do all hof guilds have to split
clever belfry
no
we just did last few on normal cause they drop really high value loot
but it just takes time yea
and uh some on hc
but i forgor which honestly
yo check this king parse
how is that not a 0
i literally died 6s into pull
obtuse palm
What has priority, Bloodbath or Rampage? wasting RA stack = bad?
gilded pawn
Bath
obtuse palm
Thanks
young ether
I really don’t like this new build.. feels so awkward compared to am build
median kestrel
is macro'ing avatar and recklessness bad with this tier set
median kestrel
yeah i saw is there a reasoning? is it to get odyns cd going?
gilded pawn
Yes
median kestrel
gotcha
undone grail
If bloodbath, rampage and execute are all available. Is this priority right? bloodbath > rampage > execute
frail trout
Anyone been keying with 4p? How does it feel compared to AM/Ravager build from last season?
lucid owl
can we run odyn fury build for fury in m+ without tier bonus ? or just keep running s2 builds
plucky egret
can we run odyn fury build for fury in m+ without tier bonus ? or just keep runn...
Run s2
lucid owl
ive been running this cause shockwave seems to have decent value. wasnt sure what meta was
gilded pawn
That’s fine
dapper goblet
so no legendary
unreal onyx
not until rwf is over
covert blaze
so no legendary
👨🦼
dapper goblet
👨🦼
oblique trail
👑
clever belfry
on grey u usually died
clever belfry
i just died from first tank frontal cause he got turned as it was happening
content
-3 people 6s into fight
humble plover
Yo me too. Went to eat some green, got tank frontaled
tardy lark
i just died from first tank frontal cause he got turned as it was happening
we had our tank do that to the entire raid while boss was at 10%
clever belfry
love tanks
tardy lark
to be fair, he skipped an entire charge rotation, so timers were giga random
outer mason
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/b6nii3KqqjvFPdFLZ1pY6G what have i done wrong 2 2sets is the same as s2 4set? I dont understand!
unreal onyx
fyrakk gaming
tacit crag
Do you use corrupting rage pot even after 4pc t31? Is it just always better than vers phial?
oblique trail
Getting tier wont change that
tacit crag
This whole time I've been using vers phials and not understanding why my damage was so low. Must be the lack of crit huh considering I've been simming all my upgrades
I am only now noticing sims are using corrupting lmao, ugh
unreal onyx
using vers phial is definetly not the reason you are not doing good dmg
edgy oasis
I have 2p+2p - wondering if it is better than T30 4p, dont know how to sim it. Also, what building is 2p-2p T31 or T30 ??
unreal onyx
flask dps diff is like 1k DPS tops
oblique trail
Vers is consistent and gives a bit of DR
tacit crag
using vers phial is definetly not the reason you are not doing good dmg
Okay good
oblique trail
Rage gives more damage but can have it be down during CDs
tacit crag
I thought 1.1k crit would make a bigger difference, ah well
lunar sierra
guys some1 have spell reflect WA ?
clever belfry
kings always use vers flask on prog
wild mural
no
tiny copper
ty
wild mural
im sure when theres info it'll be on wowhead
edgy oasis
I have 2p+2p - wondering if it is better than T30 4p, dont know how to sim it. Also, what building is 2p-2p T31 or T30 ??
barren dagger
you can compare 2 sets of gear in gear compare
dark ice
Where is the chest for loot at the end of DHT
wild mural
%?
wild mural
DH is OK
clever path
do i drop 4p t30 for 2p t31 ? or 2p 2p?
eternal sundial
sim it
clever belfry
rise
wild mural
rise
tardy lark
MAKE THEM REMEMBER YOU
edgy oasis
you can compare 2 sets of gear in gear compare
not specs tho
tardy lark
do a sim with your t30 setup
edgy oasis
FUUUUCK RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIISE
youre getting invited to 20's wtf
tardy lark
then do a sim with 2p2p and correct build in gear compare
edgy oasis
thanks
eternal sundial
youre getting invited to 20's wtf
Ilvl and score do this
I get into all my fall spam shit cuz i got the 20 timed
edgy oasis
ive 1.8k @wheat viper3ilvl
eternal sundial
453 bags?
wild mural
lovew this for me
wild mural
im 463 
eternal sundial
@wild mural bro just weapon + trinket is 14k sim dps for me
true arch
guys, i just resubbed and dont have any tier pieces, which ST build should i be using until i can get tier set
eternal sundial
💀
eternal sundial
guys, i just resubbed and dont have any tier pieces, which ST build should i be ...
Use t30
wild mural
im not farming hero shit this week
wild mural
im struggling w keys enough
eternal sundial
Im lucky to have a grp of ppl to rotate so it's perma 5 stack
wild mural
yeah I've got a grp im playing with
eternal sundial
If i have spot open ill get u in 🫡
wild mural
but we're not doing so hot
oblique trail
MAKE THEM REMEMBER YOU
make them remember TheShy
for his 1/16 performance in 3 games
eternal sundial
but we're not doing so hot
We timed 20 fall and nearly had 19 tot done not too shabby
wild mural
for his 1/16 performance in 3 games
🫡
tardy lark
the going in 1v2 after surviving the gank was peak TheShy
wild mural
oh yeah our comp is so bad
eternal sundial
oh yeah our comp is so bad
Oh and we have BDK and disc
wild mural
prot pal/resto sham/arms warr/fury warr/frost magus
eternal sundial
No vdh is so shit in so many spots
eternal sundial
prot pal/resto sham/arms warr/fury warr/frost magus
Bro that's infinite kicks that's free
Owl sp magus is so fuckin ass at times
eternal sundial
Im playing frost too
wild mural
dbl warr
eternal sundial
Does damooge
eternal sundial
no knockbackl
Menace bro
north willow
wich tier set piece should i avoid?
proper peak
Everyone doing bracers first?
sudden tusk
youre getting invited to 20's wtf
im 2050 rating
runic pine
the going in 1v2 after surviving the gank was peak TheShy
Kekw, just can’t stop Zeus
Unless your name is Kingen
wild mural
s'deadge
tardy lark
i thought it was liquid lol
fleet sorrel
wild mural
i thought it was liquid lol
yes i am liquid
plush flower
yes i am liquid
Hi liquid
agile kestrel
not to bad for week one
full portal
how good is dungeon slice?
wild mural
buff fury
humble plover
Syi blaster
past pivot
how good is dungeon slice?
Not very
hasty tree
how bad is bursting with nerfed md
wild mural
Syi blaster
nop
dark ice
this is good ?
past pivot
this is good ?
Yes
covert void
this is good ?
yeah, everyone's farming for that it seems
dark ice
nah fury is perfectly fine for without leggo
You know that compares you to other furies ?
wild mural
nah fury is perfectly fine for without leggo
how are u like 50k ahead of me 😄
runic pine
You know that compares you to other furies ?
Yeah so get better and put up better numbers
young swan
fury is fine
rocky geyser
nah fury is perfectly fine for without leggo
4-set? 😮
young swan
arctic stone
jsut 4p yeah
rocky geyser
do we press rampage - rampage if we have the rage?
or always do BT in between
to preserve rage longer
young swan
always spend ur BB stack before rampaging again
buoyant salmon
nah fury is perfectly fine for without leggo
what is this post lol
might actually be one of the dumbest posts ive EVER seen in this discord
compact knot
nah fury dosnt doesnt need buffs
frozen berry
anyone got a good stance reminder WA?
compact knot
brain
past pivot
anyone got a good stance reminder WA?
Never go into defensive stance. Problem solved.
willow cradle
anyone got a good stance reminder WA?
Thats like the easiest google search ever
light lantern
Evening! If I dont have the t30 4pc or t31 4pc which build should i use for the new raid?
compact knot
its pretty much the same as the t30 piece
but your dropping bloodbourne for raging arnaments
and coldsteel hot blood for sudden death/imp raging blow
slate oyster
Nice work Blizz 🤡 The worse melee to and M+, Anyone hate warrior :😆
nocturne tiger
is the one hand axe on fyrakk in our drop pool any good?
lilac plinth
Nice work Blizz 🤡 The worse melee to and M+, Anyone hate warrior :😆
I just start push my key
frail trout
I keep getting invited, idk
light lantern
but your dropping bloodbourne for raging arnaments
the wowhead build hadnt mentioned using bloodbourne at all
frail trout
my score isn't even high
lilac plinth
And get 15-20 m to get full grp
edgy widget
Not very
stop saying this, unless you can come up with a legitimate reason for saying it
pliant obsidian
lol that key saying no warriors
edgy widget
the wowhead build hadnt mentioned using bloodbourne at all
There is no "zero tier" build on Wowhead, because you should at the very least have free access to Season 2 via the Catalyst
So if you don't have T31, and don't have T30, go run Time Rifts or something a few times and Catalyze a T30 set
light lantern
what did folks do before t30?
edgy widget
use T29
pliant obsidian
yea arch is right i didnt know about time rifts though that's good to know
compact knot
the wowhead build hadnt mentioned using bloodbourne at all
oh tru, your just dropping cold steel hot blood for raging arnaments
mb
edgy widget
if you don't have any tier, you're just a full RB build
pliant obsidian
with execute right?
edgy widget
but again, the guides aren't written to support them, because getting T30 is incredibly free now
compact knot
is the one hand axe on fyrakk in our drop pool any good?
i saw a guy using it, he was doing hella damage on the opener if it procced
edgy widget
sims also aren't written to support no-tier anymore, so you're really taking everything into your own hands if you just refuse to get with the times lol
compact knot
otherwise not that good if you dont have a good 2 hander to put in offhand
if you do*
light lantern
this guy is a loser lol
compact knot
he gave you a answer so
pliant obsidian
i want in that 17 lol posted up there lol jk
void crater
what the best dung for weapons farm if you have 2pc t31 brh?
compact knot
doti
pliant obsidian
463?or more?
pliant obsidian
i'm just going with my 2 463 crit haste ones but i know you guys are going for vers mast etc for higher gear i guess
compact knot
double crit haste is pretty bad
void crater
6.5k brh and only 4k gore
pliant obsidian
not for me it's not but im using season 2 tier
compact knot
if you have the one hander it might be better
im talking to 2 different people who are both yellow discord icon
its fucking with me
pliant obsidian
oh sorry i didnt know
strange drift
lmao my whole key left coz i did less than a aug evoker on 1 pull for 5 seconds where i died (i was almost at the same dps as the DH that was 10 ilvls higher) XD
holy fuck
pliant obsidian
lol wut?
strange drift
lol wut?
Yep exactly what happened
the tank got angry and just died and left aswell as the DH his friend telling me that i dont do enough dps
i dont even have a 2 piece xDDD
pliant obsidian
high key?
strange drift
(even tho i did +17's and no1 cared)
+16
also them being angry that i dont do enough ST damage
like
IM A FURY WARRIOR
specced into m+
im not supposed to do ST
im just mad lol
trail bane
Why did you die? :d
pliant obsidian
there just jealous cuz you know were gonna reck soon in this patch at least i think so
strange drift
coz the mob aggroed onto me becouse tank died
idk
they were really weird
even tho the whole 1st part of the dungeon and the boss went super smooth
past pivot
stop saying this, unless you can come up with a legitimate reason for saying it
Then what is it? At one point, slice was good then bad then meh and so on.
And not that people read the pins but basic info like that which people ask frequently wouldn’t be a bad thing to have pinned so those of us behind the times don’t give misinformation by accident.
strange drift
not even 1 death
pliant obsidian
17 probably pug and no voice right?i saw this a lot last season pugging keys
spare otter
but again, the guides aren't written to support them, because getting T30 is __i...
I'm very confused by how it's easy to get t30 set? afaik you use catalyst but that only works on s2 gear?
edgy widget
Then what is it? At one point, slice was good then bad then meh and so on.
And ...
idk where you came up with this narrative that it went "good to bad to meh" but this has never been true
trail bane
Then what is it? At one point, slice was good then bad then meh and so on.
And ...
All sims are bad if you dont understand what they do. If you understand what dungeon slice is actually simulating, it can be good.
Simming patchwerk 5 min is pointless if you are looking to gear for Council of Dreams
pliant obsidian
thats all i do but i see this season i am really trying to find a patient but steady key pushing guild
strange drift
gl with that
pliant obsidian
i'm not giving up
strange drift
my server rn doesnt even want to consider a warrior in their guild
and we have currently 1 tanking and 1 dps (me)
edgy widget
and it's not a matter of being "behind the times" you specifically just constantly say dungeon slice is bad or wrong or whatever without any real context or reasoning
strange drift
whe the prot warrior started showing up i dont see a reason to bring more than 1 war to a raid
pliant obsidian
ap buff and done lol
edgy widget
whe the prot warrior started showing up i dont see a reason to bring more than 1...
then find a new raid group lol
strange drift
easy to say
heh XD
would prolly have to swap servers
(but judging by how blizzard is gonna make all guilds cross realm i dont care anymore)
pliant obsidian
just do more dps then all other melee?hint stay on the boss etc lol
strange drift
just do more dps then all other melee?hint stay on the boss etc lol
much rather swap to a evo aug that we didnt have and be actually useful
edgy widget
you may have to swap specs in order to optimize for some fights, but War really ain't doing badly
compact knot
arms is above average in raidn and m+
edgy widget
end of the day though, it's a video game - play what you want or find a group that lets you play what you want
strange drift
you may have to swap specs in order to optimize for some fights, but War really ...
dunno just don't feel it this expansion not even the execute phase hit the same 
i still miss legion glory days of execute
edgy widget
they weren't all that glorious
strange drift
life was simpler
pliant obsidian
100 percent crit yea lol
strange drift
also i beg blizz to make stuff like spear/ravager work by double clicking the key without having to confirm with left click
this just throws me off so hard sometimes and feels clunky
pliant obsidian
you dont have macro's for either of them?
trail bane
also i beg blizz to make stuff like spear/ravager work by double clicking the ke...
There is a macro that casts it on yourself with only one click
twin glacier
Dude just Macro
strange drift
There is a macro that casts it on yourself with only one click
what
how did i never know that
twin glacier
Half the things u complain about are cringe
young swan
u can also have it cast at ur cursor
pliant obsidian
yea man omg that will gain you huge dps gains
strange drift
this changes my life
trail bane
Change "Ravager" to "Spear of Bastion" for Spear of Bastion
pliant obsidian
and also @ curser for ravager
strange drift
i came back to the game like a week ago please don't kill me lol
iron sorrel
Are there other "must have" macros for fury?
pliant obsidian
no your fine
clever path
Cursor leap
young swan
#showtooltip
/cast [known:384318]Thunderous Roar; [known:376079,@player]Spear of Bastion
this ones pretty nice
strange drift
Cursor leap
actually have that
pliant obsidian
yea that 1 i use
trail bane
There are no must have macros i'd say. The two macros i use is cast spear on player and use trinket with Avatar
Oh, and focus target pummel
young swan
the other is mouseover execute
pliant obsidian
yep use vial with avatar
iron sorrel
Oh yeah the focus target pummel is nice
clever path
Yeah, for Spear though you have to use the spell ID for the War talent
trail bane
i dont have that, i tab target like an idiot
twin glacier
Yea but when u came back a week ago, why are you dooming warrior? Clearly it’s currently selfproduces issue. And btw if anything. Warrior execute is better than ever.
trail bane
but its what im comfortable with
twin glacier
At least as arms
clever path
Yea but when u came back a week ago, why are you dooming warrior? Clearly it’s c...
Because we still assmonkey the dps meters
strange drift
At least as arms
keyword : "as arms"
young swan
fury's execute is the best its been all xpac
strange drift
well good thing i went here and complained otherwise i wouldn't know lol
twin glacier
But you got already told that warrior brings various dps profiles and if u wanna suit your raid you can’t only play one spec.
pliant obsidian
next time dont complain just explain what you are experiencing these guys are pro's
chrome plover
I want my raid to suit me 
pliant obsidian
where's Biz?lol he is siick
strange drift
But you got already told that warrior brings various dps profiles and if u wanna...
yeah but arms is only one sword
that means 50% less sword
50% less damage
keen kindle
But you got already told that warrior brings various dps profiles and if u wanna...
I have never been told this
keen kindle
depends on what ur group wants and expects out of you
strange drift
depends on what ur group wants and expects out of you
I suspect it's damage and shouts
pliant obsidian
make cauldron's lol or food feasts i dunno
young swan
I have never been told this
someone might not have told you but its true
keen kindle
It is true
And realistically evreone should just learn all specs of their class, or even better, all classes
calm mantle
Do i need to complete the new mainstory to do raid on normal?
keen kindle
Do i need to complete the new mainstory to do raid on normal?
no
just fly over the barrier
calm mantle
Thank you
calm mantle
And realistically evreone should just learn all specs of their class, or even be...
I don't have the brain capacity for this.
pliant obsidian
same
strange drift
I don't have the brain capacity for this.
this
keen kindle
I don't have the brain capacity for this.
And that's why most people stick to one spec
or at least a lot of people do
past pivot
Do i need to complete the new mainstory to do raid on normal?
It helps any get the quest to kill Fryakk. Solid rewards for this early in the patch. So helpful but not needed.
calm mantle
It helps any get the quest to kill Fryakk. Solid rewards for this early in the p...
I'm like 1/3rd through the story friends just want to raid today so I'll be finishing it soon enough
strange drift
thats like memorizing 39 diffrent rotations and playstyles
i can barely remember what i ate this morning
keen kindle
I'm crap at mechanics lol
calm mantle
I can remember all the major mechanics to my M+ dungeon but I forget I have work next tuesday.
pliant obsidian
3 specs 3 different gear stats etc and trinkets uh no not a 60 hour a week player lol
spare otter
you take MT build for council right?
silver frigate
what activities aside time rifts grant gear to upgrade to T30?
keen kindle
dream surges
edgy widget
what activities aside time rifts grant gear to upgrade to T30?
any pre-10.2 activity
calm mantle
Wait, can we still do the whole 450 free upgrade thing?
edgy widget
Dragonbane Keep, Incarnate Assaults, Dream Surge, Time Rift all drop S2 gear, which can be catalyzed for free without using S3 charges
silver frigate
Thanks a lot 🙂
calm mantle
Swap to tank
shell jackal
oh
clever path
Single minded fury
sullen wagon
pls don't
shell jackal
never
full portal
how are you guys farming flightstones?
full portal
just feels bad being capped on crests
hollow herald
What are we thinking for second embelishment
tardy lark
What are we thinking for second embelishment
checking pins is what we're thinking ^^
solemn pebble
Any good videos for actually seeing how to play the class in dungeons? I didn't see any updated ones, not sure if updated is required or not but just asking in-case it is.
Like I said earlier I'm new to WoW (basically, I played long ago but not a ton) and doing Mythic+ I feel like my DPS is lacking.
I KNOW Fury Warrior isn't top DPS.
I KNOW being a lower ilvl (430) is also lowering my DPS.
I don't know if anything I'm doing is hindering my DPS at all though. Like my movement, the way I do rotations (I tried to follow the guide and after reading all the abilities it seems pretty streamline on what to press when but still. And idk if there's anything else specific I could do to help increase DPS but just curious if there's anything for me to reference aside from the WoWHead Guide I've been using :)
I can provide any information I need if it helps anyone. My gear, the guide I'm looking at, my action bar setups or w/e
spare otter
yea non anih
keen kindle
Why does this look like a copypasta
strange drift
yea non anih
isn't anih garbage without the tierset?>
spare otter
wasnt using anih
spare otter
i meant in raid
strange drift
I mean the non anih build is the only way to go without tier set
spare otter
i switched to arms and did 30k more dps
warm crag
oh ye i mean yeah you should probably be playing arms w/o t31
strange drift
oh ye i mean yeah you should probably be playing arms w/o t31
sooo let me get this straight
arms>fury till t31 after t31 fury>arms
warm crag
they were semi even at the end of aberrus and arms got an 8% aura buff
warm crag
arms>fury till t31 after t31 fury>arms
stop trying to put the game into flowcharts man
both specs are good at different things
compact knot
right now arms
warm crag
both are good at different things
fickle bluff
which spec is better at damage
bm hunter
trail bane
depends on your gear and what situation you are in
compact knot
arms better in m+, arms better st, fury better burst aoe fights (gnarl,tswift)
strange drift
arms better in m+, arms better st, fury better burst aoe fights (gnarl,tswift)
thank
trail bane
my fury sims higher than my arms in single target
compact knot
although im notsure about the last part
arms aoe burst is pretty good in the bladestorm burst build, does insane amounts on tswift
gotta be able to ramp a bit though while fury is more instant
rigid stirrup
god shockwave feels soo fucking good to hav ein keys now
compact knot
both specs with tier i think its arms in m+, fury on st, fury burst aoe
trail bane
<@&448567801024741397> im very interested in knowing your sources for this
Fury has higher ratings in m+
So whats telling you that arms is better?
trail bane
Im not sure thats true
compact knot
they both have relatively the same utility so that doesnt matter
olive wraith
With t31?
modest condor
arms does more dps in m+
olive wraith
Ya it does seem arms is ahead in m+
warm crag
fury is ridiculously depressing in m+ rn
compact knot
im 2p 2p arms and it does fucking crazy damage in m+
then i go 2p 2p fury and i want to drop a anvil on my head
trail bane
im 4p and my Fury is dealing about the same dmg as arms overall
compact knot
even aberuss 4p felt like anvil
trail bane
But i also is more tanky and do better single target
inner delta
Is the general consensus 2xShadowflame patch, like the guide? I assume wrists have more value in m+?
compact knot
it stopped feeling good for me when patch dropped idk
warm crag
there is no shot you are playing a proper arms build well and pulling the same numbers with 4p anni fury
olive wraith
Change you name rn
compact knot
did like 6 or 7 keys as fury on patch release and felt like i was doing less damage
swapped to arms and did 40k more
trail bane
at patch release and doing it with 20 more ilvls and 4p is very different
compact knot
annhilator isnt going to do good damage though
trail bane
true, but odyns fury is
compact knot
ehh
trail bane
and bloodbath
compact knot
you cant cleave the 2 piece
trail bane
Arms is doing better consitent aoe, fury has better burst and better single target
half the dungeons are shit for pulling big packs
and has a lot of big single monsters
compact knot
so you agree
olive wraith
Fury is okay for 5 target
trail bane
i agree with everything other than "arms is better for m+"
olive wraith
Sure the tier doesn’t cleave but bb still does good dmg without tier buff
compact knot
thats fine, you dont have to, but your opinion still isnt right
olive wraith
Arms generally is going to be better
compact knot
entitled to it but its just wrong
olive wraith
Wdym
olive wraith
Aren’t they though?
trail bane
No
compact knot
arms is for sure
compact knot
arms higher average
trail bane
Yes because you are sitting here saying arms is better so people play more arms
warm crag
"its better, but the people pushing the highest atm isnt playing it"
my brother
we are in like day 4 of the season
trail bane
Thats how averages work
trail bane
we are in like day 4 of the season
Yes, and if someone is asking whats better for m+ 4 days into the season. What is the answer?
warm crag
the leaderboard is comprised of me because i got conscripted to a higher key than i wanted
olive wraith
When did I say more people play arms
warm crag
Yes, and if someone is asking whats better for m+ 4 days into the season. What i...
arms
trail bane
Saying "but arms will be better in 4 weeks" is like saying "warrior is meta because the legendary will be amazing"
No its not meta, it might be meta later
strange drift
Look at the tier sets
i just tried the arms whirlwind build and holy fuck this is like 500% less button mushing and a 30% dps increase
compact knot
less apm
brave karma
what weapon rune have you guys been running?
median narwhal
Hello there
olive wraith
Just saying though. Arms t31 is looking better than fury t31 for m+
sage shadow
Are we swapping to the new tier with 2 pieces or waiting for 4?
olive wraith
Idk how you can argue diff
median narwhal
I would like to know, what kind of secondary carac shall I go for? And how much? I'm currently at 6k+ haste, is it too much/low?
olive wraith
Sim yo self
solemn pebble
Okay so as someone who is new and just trying to do M+ to get better gear should I switch from Fury to Arms? I just want to be able to do as much damage as possible to contribute as much as possible and not be useless xd
olive wraith
Are you planning on raiding too
median narwhal
any good simulator?
solemn pebble
Probably, I'm already planning on multi-spec'ing though but for now I just want the one that does the most dps
so I can be less useless
olive wraith
Raidbots
median narwhal
thx
olive wraith
Arms probably has easier entry
solemn pebble
I mean I feel like I already know how Fury works I'm not worried about that, just need more DPS at this point
olive wraith
Only 1 wep needed is pretty big while gearing
solemn pebble
Is there a go-to Arms build I should be checking out if I planned on swapping to it?
unreal cape
arms seems to be stronger atm, i‘m also thinking of trying it out
olive wraith
I’m sure it’s pinned somewhere in the arms channel
warm crag
I mean I feel like I already know how Fury works I'm not worried about that, jus...
i mean if you want more dps you just need more ilvl randomly swapping to a spec won't magically make you do more damage
unreal cape
Is there a go-to Arms build I should be checking out if I planned on swapping to...
i‘d just check the wowhead guide
olive wraith
Or search up deswind
solemn pebble
i mean if you want more dps you just need more ilvl randomly swapping to a spec ...
from what literally everyone else has been saying it kinda seems like it does increase DPS xd
strange drift
Is there a go-to Arms build I should be checking out if I planned on swapping to...
BcEAfuKaizEAgP2qANDB2hmf7DQrlkEJJkDkoVKJBAAAAEEBKkQUEJQgkEaSECQ4AhAAAAAAAAQCiIgQUIB im using this one
does the work
olive wraith
In the arms channel. I’m not sure if he pioneered this build or just popularized it
strange drift
for m+
warm crag
from what literally everyone else has been saying it kinda seems like it does in...
most ppl engaging in these discussions usually are very comfortable and competent in both specs so most of the time it is legit just a difference of a button press and preference
unreal cape
i mean if you want more dps you just need more ilvl randomly swapping to a spec ...
switching to a stronger, better performing spec absolutely can increase dps - what r u talking about
olive wraith
It can but ilvl will play a big factor either way
unreal cape
yes ofc ilvl will increase dps
strange drift
still a bad ilvl good spec player will do more damage than bad ilvl bad spec player
olive wraith
And switching from arms stat distribution to fury feels kinda bad
strange drift
(just giving an example not suggesting anything)
unreal cape
still a bad ilvl good spec player will do more damage than bad ilvl bad spec pla...
duh..
trail bane
And tell me which one looks better for aoe
Just did 1min 30s on target dummies with arms and then fury.
265k dps as arms
313k dps as fury
I know this is not entierly reflective of doing m+. I think that whats better for m+ depends on how your tank is pulling and what dungeon you are doing.
If you are mostly doing pulls with 4-5 monsters and a few huge pulls i think fury is better.
If you are generally pulling 6+ monsters or 2-3 monsters arms might be better.
All i know is that from my experience running +20's for the last couple days is that the overall dmg is roughly the same for me.
olive wraith
You have full t31?
olive wraith
Are you playing both specs at the same level
trail bane
if you asked me last patch i would say my fury is better but i havnt gotten entierly used to the new one
But they are both pretty simple
unreal cape
that doesnt really say anything
trail bane
Very few buttons to press
unreal cape
you could just be a bad arms player
olive wraith
Are you using same gear for both
trail bane
I am, and its suboptimal for both :d
solemn pebble
Any good videos for actually seeing how to play the class in dungeons? I didn't ...
It's funny cuz my original question wasn't even if I should switch to Arms or not. It was is there a guide or good video that can help me make sure I'm doing what I should be since I'm basically new to WoW and my DPS is ass. I know ilvl is going to affect it but still. I found videos but they were old and not sure if outdated or not (it seemed like they were outdated)
trail bane
you could just be a bad arms player
Could be, but my dmg distribution is about the same as the sims
unreal cape
have you even checked out the wowhead guides?
olive wraith
See which one you like better
unreal cape
they‘re written by archi
olive wraith
I am, and its suboptimal for both :d
Jw, whats your stats looking like
trail bane
Arms:
3003 crit
4343 haste
3000 matery
3054 vers
Fury:
4400 crit
3660 haste
3787 mastery
2343 vers
warm crag
Arms:
3003 crit
4343 haste
3000 matery
3054 vers
Fury:
4400 crit
3660 haste
3787 mastery
2343 vers
red yew
Arms:
3003 crit
4343 haste
3000 matery
3054 vers
Fury:
4400 crit
3660 haste
3787 mastery
2343 vers
I think 3003 crit is a bit too much
warm crag
i am logging on immediately to share my stats
red yew
Should aim for 3000
warm crag
2998 is a breakpoint
oblique trail
Arms:
4136 crit
4544 haste
2400 mastery
3453 versatility
200 avoidance
trail bane
I have too much crit, but this is the gear that the sims has told me to get
:D
When ive tried to sim for m+
olive wraith
Why is your fury crit higher
trail bane
Doing some various sizes of packs for various durations
No idea tbh, i was surprised to see the sims tell me to equip a crit master helm over a mastery haste helm
olive wraith
That doesn’t seem right at face value
red yew
Good thing it's just face value
oblique trail
you're a face value
olive wraith
Robot just blew my mind
red yew
No wtf
warm crag
Arms:
Crit: 2221
Haste: 4945
Mastery: 4012
Versatility: 3346
Leech: 0
Avoidance: 325
Armor: 11984
Stamina: 34707
Strength: 12170
oblique trail
LOOK AT THE STATS
red yew
Literally 1984 armor
warm crag
These are the optimal stats for ilvl 468.69
fickle bluff
Arms:
Crit: 2221
Haste: 4945
Mastery: 4012
Versatility: 3346
Leech: 0
Avoidance:...
how much agi bro
humble plover
stats looking BUSSIN
red yew
Arms:
Crit: 2221
Haste: 4945
Mastery: 4012
Versatility: 3346
Leech: 0
Avoidance:...
Typical warrior 0 intellect, lol!
warm crag
I am going to 🪞 you
oblique trail
you have bene MIRRORED
warm crag
bene
rigid stirrup
warm crag
stop linking your stats immediately
fickle bluff
bene 🤌
olive wraith
Could be, but my dmg distribution is about the same as the sims
Do your sims also have fury>arms for 5target
fickle bluff
red yew
you have bene MIRRORED
bene
warm crag
new fury stats just dropped
trail bane
Do your sims also have fury>arms for 5target
Yup
trail bane
And yes ive done the sims without any buffs i dont currently have on me
olive wraith
Wish I spent more time as arms on ptr
oblique trail
the new ptr is live
olive wraith
I’m not
strange drift
welp with my current gear arms on cleave dummies does 220k when fury does around 190k
so im gonna stick with arms
olive wraith
You have 4p as well?
olive wraith
Well that’s not the argument lol
trail cliff
Mastery haste are top 2 stats?
olive wraith
Pins
strange drift
Mastery haste are top 2 stats?
warm crag
in my testing arms has burst higher vs a critter outside of atal'dazar than fury has!
trail cliff
Top 2 optimal stats for fury?
oblique trail
MASTERY ANYTHING
warm crag
sim it
fickle bluff
sim gear directly and use what it spits out
trail cliff
Idk what that me#ans
strange drift
i just equipped what had higher ilvl i didnt have much choice kek
fickle bluff
i just equipped what had higher ilvl i didnt have much choice kek
well done
olive wraith
Idk what that me#ans
Read the wowhead guide
oblique trail
EVery time you share your stats or ask stat questions a minute passes
you can not stop it
olive wraith
Every time 60 minutes pass an hour elapses
strange drift
nooo
compact knot
you keep changing your pfp banezi
warm crag
if you ask three stat related questions you get banned permanently from my personal discord server
oblique trail
NOOOOOOO
trail cliff
How do I install this game
warm crag
google google
strange drift
How do I install this game
fickle bluff
put in and run disc 1
oblique trail
if you google google one hour elapses instantanously
warm crag
googling
left perch
????
tepid lily
strange drift
i like how this chat goes from genuine advice to heating discussion to shitpost
tepid lily
farming that 15% 🥱
turbid stone
Which add on?
quiet herald
do i need 2pc or 4pc before switching to fury is solid?
unreal cape
i applied to like 6 keys and got accepted to 4 today
so you got invited to four 10s?
warm crag
don't be silly
trail bane
do i need 2pc or 4pc before switching to fury is solid?
i swapped to 2p/2p and it seemed like a sidegrade, but allowed me to play the new talents
if you simply want power, wait for 4p
olive wraith
Doesn’t no cdr on of feel bad?
trail bane
it did
unreal cape
i swapped to 2p/2p and it seemed like a sidegrade, but allowed me to play the ne...
so you‘ve played the anni / of build?
olive wraith
Self healing might feel good though
trail bane
yes, i have 4p atm and started playing the anni of build as soon as i had 2p
which was on wednesday :D
unreal cape
how does it feel in m+ compared to am?
quiet herald
how is the ST 2pc+2pc is it better than arms old 4pc ST
trail bane
but you have some packs where you feel kinda useless
oblique trail
don't be silly
A minute just passed instantly
warm crag
A minute just passed instantly
check your clock
oblique trail
you have no way to make up for it
trail bane
am is steadily good aoe all the time, RA makes you more bursty
warm crag
i have googled google outside your house
oblique trail
STOP
warm crag
i am siccing guy does alcohol on you
unreal cape
get a room guys
warm crag
more entertaining than constant questions that are answerable by a 5 minute sim setup
ruby eagle
i have 4p. my opinion on it. singeltarget/raid feels amazing. m+ feels okay
unreal cape
yeah that seems to be the general consensus. improvement on st and in raid, but kinda worse in m+
so idk how i feel about that. havent played wirh anni build myself yet
ruby eagle
but do you guys know what is best arms or fury in both m+ and raid
trail bane
i would say it feels worse in m+, not sure if its performing that much worse
but running shockwave feels great at least
warm crag
but do you guys know what is best arms or fury in both m+ and raid
you play both in raid
ruby eagle
i would say it feels worse in m+, not sure if its performing that much worse
im doing about the same, maybe a bit more (can be of ilvl increase)
in m+ tho. what is the meta warrior dps vise
trail bane
both seem to be doing well, fury has the highest rating atm but arms rating is higher on average
my guess is that it depends on how your tank is pulling and what dungeon you are doing
rare fjord
up to 120th rank in raider io arms and fury scores seem to be amazingly even
trail bane
But overall you can probably run either and not have to feel bad about it
rare fjord
keep in mind that arms absolutely slaughters fury in raiding parse
ruby eagle
sounds good! im happy as long as arms is not totaly busted so fury is not viable
balmy shore
scared i haven't seen my mas this high before
trail bane
Things might change as we get the legendary since arms only needs one weapon
rare fjord
legendary?
trail bane
legendary?
There is a 2h str legendary weapon this patch
oblique trail
keep in mind that arms absolutely slaughters fury in raiding parse
what does this even mean
rare fjord
it means that on average the top 100 wars on heroic raid, 85 are arms
rare fjord
There is a 2h str legendary weapon this patch
news to me. whats it called
oblique trail
heroic raid on the first week of a new season when arms is arguably a lot better than fury before set bonus
trail bane
news to me. whats it called
Fyr'alath the Dream Render
oblique trail
I have called it now based on this heroic data that I have procurred, that Arms in fact will stay the best spec for the rest of the tier as it will gain at least 2 more aura buffs where as Fury will get a slight bug fix to SMF that no one knew existed
rare fjord
I have called it now based on this heroic data that I have procurred, that Arms ...
which auras
calm mantle
What ilvl is recommended for dawn now?
south thunder
whats the verdict on that signet brand trinket worth using in prog ;/?
fleet sorrel
snow edge
I have called it now based on this heroic data that I have procurred, that Arms ...
This is a big call, I guess it's now locked in 100% though
Can never change
balmy shore
u ever just lose the roll on mythic gnarlroot weapon with avoidance 😭
10k dps upgrade for both me and our pally gg
inner delta
Is the general consensus 2xShadowflame patch, like the guide? I assume wrists have more value in m+?
tidal abyss
okay sweat lord 
balmy shore
grats!!!!
snow edge
Is the general consensus 2xShadowflame patch, like the guide? I assume wrists ha...
I mean the general consensus is to sim yourself to be sure, but the guide in the pin is accurate as a broad recommendation
warped bone
more entertaining than constant questions that are answerable by a 5 minute sim ...
What transmog to use for DPS Spongie
arctic salmon
lost a 90 roll on the smolderon trinket to a bm hunter who spec'd survival and rolled a 92, ripper
modest condor
nice custom apl
modest condor
i wonder how much i sim for now
got 483/476 weapons and 483 augury
but still t30
restive peak
I'm basically at cap barring Augury and some higher boots from M+ til upgrades
Or mythic
Vault, mythic, odd heroic item...feelsweird week 1 lol
modest condor
igot some weird trinket from everbloom that gives me 6k haste on use
restive peak
Ye that thing looks cool but sims dogwater idk
modest condor
this is in my m+ build lol https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ryko9NDyKqfnrGBsRToJMg
restive peak
I had mirror drop for me today but was a downgrade and guildy had 447 still, so meh
And fuck man downbad, you guys raid yet?
Ofc you did
modest condor
we killed heroic smolderon today
modest condor
nah i got augury from my vault
restive peak
Nice, you'll get the last 2
XD
I miss T30 but I'm enjoying the spec more after like 50 M+ w T31
It flows nicely once you're geared, lines up for big packs moderately well...feels weird being bursty and now as consistent though
modest condor
we benched half the raid on smolderon because it was too hard with 30 so we'll rekill this with the other half first tomorrow and then swift is probably not too hard but idk if we can kill fyrakk
restive peak
Ye we did splits for 8/9 then threw all the mains on fyrakk
modest condor
cant wait to see signet drop on the other smolderon kill
restive peak
He was honestly quite easy at that point but all our mains were split into split groups and funneled so it helped
modest condor
altho i cant complain because i got the weapon
restive peak
Ye we got lucky, got 2 brands each kill
Only warr as always so got extra funneled 😛
restive peak
Ah haha
restive peak
Hopin we're gonna push top 30 NA so we're goin pretty ham on the prep
modest condor
nice
restive peak
Everyone 470+ for tms mythic start
Should be fun, 4/9 would be a big dub so we pray
clever path
nah i got augury from my vault
How???
modest condor
my rl has a long term goal but that's for like a couple of tiers in the future