fury

[lavish sage]

bruh

[proud leaf]

sheeeeeeesh

[ember apex]

what tier piece is fury not taking

does anyone know ttop of head?

[young swan]

legs again pretty sure

[proud leaf]

legs i think?

[ember apex]

im getting heroic legs from igira with the intention of catalyst when i can

should i pass to ret pala?

[sullen dove]

bruh dbm just fucking killed me

on larodar

wtf was that

searing ass

ears explode

[dark flower]

legs but leg tier is > no tier

[vale mortar]

Curious, I got normal tier gloves and a Curio off last boss, what tier piece should i grab for the curio?

[ember apex]

yeah but i dont want t screw over ret pala

idk what to do now

[serene vessel]

imo wait vault

[proud leaf]

if you want it right away, chest or shoulders

[modest condor]

dont spend it yet

[silent burrow]

absolutely don't spend that mf right away

[vale mortar]

well that will piss off 80% of my guild if i hold onto the curio until next week

[ember apex]

yeah ok

[silent burrow]

then 80% of them are dumb

[serene vessel]

are you guys going into heroic?

like rn?

[vale mortar]

at least those who would have wanted it

[serene vessel]

what? It's just the smart move

[sullen dove]

just.. get a regular tier piece, then curio/catalyze/omnitoken from ksm/aotc

[vale mortar]

yes we cleared normal 2nite, doing heroic tomorrow

[silent burrow]

your guildies are dumb if they intend to use it right now

period lol

100% you hold it

[serene vessel]

just tell them ur playing arms for heroic

and that arms wants to hold onto 4p from previous tier

and then u go fury once u get 4pc

[silent burrow]

arms also is piping like a mf right now so that's not even a bad play lol

[dull gate]

at what point do we swap over to annihilator? is it 2pc or 4pc?

[young swan]

2pc

[dark flower]

2pc

[silent burrow]

2

[dull gate]

how come I sim lower at 2pc?

with the ilvl jump

[modest condor]

link the sim

[rigid stirrup]

Okay fyrak actually sick af

[forest rose]

fun fight?

[rigid stirrup]

Hella fun

Bis this expansion

[forest rose]

ooo

[rigid stirrup]

For final boss anyways

[minor pike]

you can leap the knockup

[rigid stirrup]

The tentacle guy is my fav

Yeah I found out first try

[compact mulch]

What embellishments we running for m+? I assume wrists but what’s the other one

[dull gate]

swapping over to single target build, i now sim 1500 higher... but thats all? I guess I really am only gaining 300 or so strength

[clever path]

got a hero path gorehowl, worth using 45 crests on?

[mighty hull]

is 2 piece 2 piece bis on fury this week?

[young swan]

4pc is bis

[lavish sage]

no shit lol

2/2 is good if u get it

its like .25% dps inc set piece alone not including the ilvl upgrade

[proud leaf]

what build you all running for fyrakk?

I'm thinking after a few pulls an M+ buildmight be best

[clever path]

seems like fury is behind arms atm, will that change with tier?

[young swan]

yes

arms got an 8% buff going into 10.2

[junior gale]

well got 2 1hs from raid for off spec time to play SMF

wtf do I even drop for this garbage

[proud leaf]

you don't

[junior gale]

im doing it

[proud leaf]

you take one of them and offtank

[junior gale]

you cant make me

im burning my raid down for not getting lego drop

Ight I got it dropping bb and hack n slash

[forest rose]

SMF is dead

long live SMF

[junior gale]

I will update with dmg numbers while we clear heroic

[nova igloo]

anyone know what embelishments we wear when all is said and done

[brave karma]

does annihlator build multitarget raid, use spear or roar?

[junior gale]

2nd on heroic gnarlroot with SMF

game is just too easyt

[gilded pawn]

do you have the proc weapons

[gilded pawn]

also you are spiritually first

[junior gale]

got fyrak wep and a random 1h

[gilded pawn]

because 1st is bm

who is op

[meager void]

anyone crafted wrists already or giving it a sec?

[junior gale]

well see how a pure ST fight goes with SMF lmao

[fickle bluff]

sent my free enchanted wyrm crest on them

[celest hearth]

with the new tier is it viable to macro reck, avatar, thunderous roaR together

[brittle folio]

are we changing stat weights this season lol

[delicate burrow]

what talents did we drop for cleave with the S2 Fury ST Build?

[fickle bluff]

execute talents

[spiral ermine]

omaga

[junior gale]

ight thats enough memes only 123k with SMF ST

[forest rose]

only

[olive wraith]

How much % did the wep do

[junior gale]

Fyrak wep was only 2% of my dmg

[sudden tusk]

bro this wep in LFR

looks so fucking good

[olive wraith]

Huh that’s surprising

[junior gale]

back to arms I go

[sudden tusk]

i dont wana be arms tier

: (

[tender sky]

having the first wing of lfr have an end tier boss is interesting

[late night]

hello best craft cloak and wrist with shadow flame ?

[glad storm]

What level offhand replaces 441 ashkundar?

[waxen wave]

gorehowl first 11 run thank you rng gods

[waxen wave]

Simming seems like around 460-463 replaces it

[glad storm]

Awesome, thanks

[edgy widget]

not counting humanoid

[glad storm]

Also same,

[edgy widget]

yeah, 460 beats it in the OH

[glad storm]

Got a gorehoel first run

I have an 18 of that dungeon but nobody was signing up

[thorny sparrow]

i can understand why the best crafted gear is the allied wristguard, but why the vibrant wildercloth?

[nocturne carbon]

Cloak? Lowest stat budget meaning the loss of ilvl is the lowest

[tame yarrow]

You guys already crafting the bracers?

[spark maple]

dont lock out ur crafting incase legendary needs crafting!!

[fickle bluff]

[rigid stirrup]

yo that smolderon sword mog is hard AF

[celest hearth]

i rolled a 99 and sum paly rolled 100 on top, couldnt believe it

[frosty lagoon]

Is that LFR, Normal or Heroic?

[rigid stirrup]

I got it from lfr and upgraded it

[viral maple]

lfr tint I believe

I got it too

[upbeat plume]

is there an updated spell reflect wa for the new dungeons (its day 1 so not expecting it to be so just curious lol)

[frosty lagoon]

Looks insane

[cloud bough]

most up-to-date I know of

[sinful spoke]

Guys i got the worst parses ever today as fury

[stuck bison]

Worst parse yet

[young swan]

tell me about it

[slim coral]

got the augussy trinket baby

[sinful spoke]

Ok but what was ur dps

[slim coral]

stonks are up

[plush flower]

bm hunter nerf wen

[young swan]

not till after the race

[plush flower]

its too good rn lol

[sinful spoke]

Can et just buff my class so i see pretty numbers

[nocturne carbon]

It's been updated

[young swan]

not good

[nocturne carbon]

I need to turn off the /s I can reflect this spam though

[sinful spoke]

Bro i was doing 90k sometimes even lower

Idk what happened

[young swan]

AM fury just sucks on st

[snow pasture]

whats the verdict lads hows fury sitting?

[young swan]

and these fights are not good for specs that need 100% uptime

at least thats how it felt tonight

[young swan]

will be better with tier

[snow pasture]

yeah debating if i switch to arms or not ( im pvp focused tho)

much prefer the fury playstyle tho

[sinful spoke]

Hopefully it gets better but imma swap to arms for heroic tomorrow

[fading bane]

from the looks of it Arms and Fury are very close on ST

[sinful spoke]

It legit felt like shit to play fury today

[fading bane]

and ill pivot to fury in that case

cus its tankier

[snow pasture]

yeah ive noticed even in pvp ive hit flatspots

in my roation and shit it feels diffrent

[balmy shore]

the one stand out for me was council i really felt like it was bad for us

[sinful spoke]

Yeah

[balmy shore]

maybe just a melee thing tho

[young swan]

smolderon doesnt feel great on heroic

[balmy shore]

ah haven’t gotten there yet

[snow pasture]

wheres the best place for talent builds?

[balmy shore]

wowhead

[young swan]

wowhead.com

[snow pasture]

easy

ty ty

[young swan]

yeah its rather upleasant

would recommend running roar + both capstones

spear felt like dookie

[balmy shore]

yeeee

[young swan]

or just play arms

[balmy shore]

i’ve kinda just defaulted roar in general for the flexibility

[young swan]

ravager also feels kinda icky

[balmy shore]

i got 2pc

!

[young swan]

oh hell yeah

its gg then

[balmy shore]

yee

[young swan]

prob gonna be good then

[snow pasture]

any stat changes or still mastery and haste?

[young swan]

aside from the fact that its a 1m cd fight and anni is 1.5 m cds

[sinful spoke]

I never liked ravager either and rn it makes me like it less

Like bosses move too much and ravager doesn’t keep up

[fading bane]

im playing arms only until fury 4pc

[balmy shore]

i love rav reck am 🥲

[sudden tusk]

idk what to play lmao

[young swan]

yeah the only places where am + rav fury feels real good is nymue and volcaros

[sudden tusk]

arms is p good rn

but idk how it changes with tier

[sinful spoke]

Oh yeah which wing of the mega dungeon drops the axe btw guys

[snow pasture]

when do they bring out the turn a piece of gear into tier shit

cant remember its name

[young swan]

it feels SO good for m+

its not my fav on ST tho

[sinful spoke]

Its out

[snow pasture]

aye

[balmy shore]

do you have tier yet or nah

[young swan]

not a single piece

[balmy shore]

i tried a few anni keys just now

[sinful spoke]

The catalyst u can get one piece rn if u want

[snow pasture]

how?

[sinful spoke]

Same as always just get a piece of gear for the slot u want tier

But i recommend saving it till next week

[snow pasture]

its been a while but tier changes with spec aye?

[young swan]

correct

[snow pasture]

big break sorry

[eternal sundial]

Dont cata for 1p yea

[south kayak]

you'd be first if it wasn't smf

[eternal sundial]

Idk if id cata before vault unless it's my 4p

[snow pasture]

oh yeah nah i wont cata till i have 2p

[edgy widget]

https://wago.io/tDT26wrXg

[south kayak]

why are bm hunters all top on dps lmao

[edgy widget]

warning though, they turned on some stupid /say spam, so you might wanna turn that off

[upbeat plume]

Thank you sir! And will do, which section is that in in the wa, actions?

[covert blaze]

in actions yeah

[hardy shore]

Is there a weak aura for the furious bloodthrist stacks for the T31 tier set?

[upbeat plume]

Awesome thank you

[south kayak]

bm hunters doing crazy numbers

[covert blaze]

I heard bm is not getting taxed correctly by aug

Not sure tho

[eternal sundial]

It's also just good

[south kayak]

unlike warr

[fading bane]

yup, but fixed now

[young swan]

bm just insane

[covert blaze]

yeah my guild's hunter is blasting in m+ without aug

[eternal sundial]

Im very happy hunt is insane as we have a really good one

It's these hunter since vanilla mains man stg

[south kayak]

what is stg

[fickle bluff]

a ww2 german firearm

[south kayak]

hmm

idk if bm is going to be as strong when everyone gets their tier

unless their tier is also strong

xd

[eternal sundial]

Yapp but didnt look into it

Wonderful

Their tier is good

[south kayak]

xdd

I dont remember there being any BM changes to warrant such a dps icnrease

[remote tulip]

are any of the paracausal trinks good?

[south kayak]

people were talking about havoc damage but no oen said anything about bm

The doomhammer one is fine

@remote tulip

[remote tulip]

should i grab the frostmourne one as my 2nd or use OCE

[fading bane]

frostmourne goes in hand

[dark flower]

felt good on gnarl

only weird overlap was intermission but you get to blast leftover adds if ur lucky

[serene vessel]

there were quite a few BM changes actually

[dark flower]

also felt fine on larodar

[serene vessel]

they made a lot of 2 pointers 1 pointers and fixed their cooldowns

[dark flower]

spear was real nice for volcaros

[hardy shore]

Should we be combining the avatar - odyns fury with the actual odyns fury in our rotation or wait for hte dot to run out then hit the other?

[south kayak]

I see

[short spire]

quick question guys? regarding the shadowflame we used on boots and legs how do you move on from them? i have a 454 boots do i play around ilvl for now? or whatst he move

[dark flower]

recraft onto cloak

use vers bracers

[left perch]

It isn’t

[short spire]

we keep same wrist from last season

i use shadow flame into it and onto cloack right?

[drifting cloud]

should i ever

[dark flower]

vers wrist can't be shadowflame bro

[drifting cloud]

press bloodthirst ?

and also what piece should you craft as a fury warr ?

[proud bough]

Do we think the shadowflame embellishment is gonna get nerfed though? Doesn't blizz usually not like previous season stuff being better than current season? 🤔

[dark flower]

personally sending my bracers first before cloak

[dark flower]

already nerfed it

[fickle bluff]

its not a "previous season" thing, its an embellishment

[proud bough]

But what if they do it again!

hahaha

[dark flower]

they've gutted almost every embellishment I don't think they're going to be doing any more tuning there

so wouldn't worry about it

[proud bough]

I'mma pm you for a refund on my craft if it gets nerfed 😉

[dark flower]

mmk

[south kayak]

BONK

[forest rose]

😄

i meant every word when i clicked that 😄

[south kayak]

how easy is it to get 10 renown on an alt rn

[clever path]

Does it matter which piece of gear I have shadowflame armor patch on, like can I just mine on my boots?

[edgy widget]

you could, but the whole point of putting it on cloak/wrist is to minimize the ilevel loss compared to max upgrade (486 vs 489)

if that's not important to you, not a currently viable factor, or you're just fine with recrafting later when/if you get access to better gear, then go for it

[sullen dove]

[south kayak]

gamer

gz

[ionic mortar]

do we still want to use our bloodbath charge before rampaging no matter what, even overcapping rage? and do we prioritize normal bloodthirsts over slams?

[sudden tusk]

im so torn man

on to focus arms or fury

[drifting cloud]

send elp what is rly warrior stats i wanna go for now ?

[fickle bluff]

strength

[coarse drift]

💪

[sullen dove]

i got given 2 omni tokens from fyrakk

[slim coral]

GZ

i GOT AGUSSY

[sullen dove]

sweatin cuz still no good m+ loot to catalyze

and kinda wanna farm 1600 pvp to get mark of mastery

[sudden tusk]

im doin alright so far

[sullen dove]

trinket

[sudden tusk]

are you planning on fury or arms

it just feels so weird

[sullen dove]

idk id like fury

of gaming sounds fun

[sudden tusk]

i need to see how it feels to play with tier

[sullen dove]

but arms is just better current low ilvl and idk when the cutoff swaps

[sudden tusk]

becuase arms is just legit the same

[sullen dove]

i also like, kinda wanna maybe be ethical and not upgrade weapon until i get a better one out of m+

but also like its a weapon and i could yoink this mf to 483 like right now

[sudden tusk]

feels a waste considering first boss mthic drops a wep

[sullen dove]

tru

but considering i just got that weap off heroic i def aint gettin mythic anytiem soon

[south kayak]

nice

how are you doing dps wise

[sudden tusk]

havent stepped into raid

[sullen dove]

[south kayak]

in m+

[sudden tusk]

doing fine damage in M+

had aug and first time playing FoB

[south kayak]

are you playing ww?

[oblique trail]

As long as you're not playing with Havoc you'll be doing good dps

[south kayak]

CD

or bm

banezi have u seen bm damage in raid

[sudden tusk]

this was standard fury in a 17 ataldazar

[south kayak]

[oblique trail]

I have

but idrc about current raid damage

[sudden tusk]

they gotta do something about upper dawn though

we 2chested lower dawns 20 twice

and upper just ass blasts us

[south kayak]

what's your favorite dungeon so far?

I only done everbloom

[sullen dove]

idk the 2nd boss room in lower was horrific

all the trash i mean there

[sudden tusk]

yeah all the trash is just terrible

the trash requires more healing then bosses

and next week tyran i can see people getting oneshot trying to swap corrosive around during the winds phase

it just does too much damage

[south kayak]

surely nerfs

[sullen dove]

morchie randomly super chill

[sudden tusk]

i hope they nerf M+ outliers quickly

[sullen dove]

thank god they cut her mechanics in half

[sudden tusk]

bro morchie is so easy

[sullen dove]

on jorsh

[sudden tusk]

but holy fuck the warzone area

[sullen dove]

2 mechanics

and boss dies

[sudden tusk]

every pack and the boss in the battlefield area

may as well be minibosses into full boss

then the boss spawns minibosses and only the axethrower does damage

alright its time

https://tenor.com/view/cat-chuni-sleep-gif-20108376

[misty parcel]

what's your talent tree ?

[sudden tusk]

Same as we currently ran

[misty parcel]

which is ?

[sudden tusk]

i have 470s but they do less damage they current tier set

uh lemme

find the code

[misty parcel]

thanks !

[sudden tusk]

BgEAfuKaizEAgP2qANDB2hmf7HAAAAAAAAAAQggSCQEEiIJRBEiAhDEJJplEJJhkQSIRKBIJSEAAAEQQA

me bedge tho

[misty parcel]

Ty ! ^^

you're not getting the execution crit talent ?

[fathom valley]

Do we have any news about the legendary?

[slim coral]

NO

[plucky ivy]

It's most likely behind a farmgate so no news yet sadly

[slim coral]

trust me you will know when the news is out

it will be everywhere

[fathom valley]

True enough

Imagine if Blizzard just forgot to even put the farm gate in hahaha

[vivid egret]

do we craft shadowflame patch for raid

[plucky ivy]

Wowhead says shadowflame + vers wrist

But before 4p T31 it's still 2x shadowflame

[sudden tusk]

no this build is for M+ and its fort week

no need to focus on execute at all

[vivid egret]

like 100% thats the go?

[halcyon vale]

Where's the Leggo! I wanna see it

[south kayak]

It's in my backpocket

[turbid needle]

what is good trinket for this season boys

😳

happy patch day btw

[oblique trail]

Signet from raid, Augury from raid (I think), Might of the Ocean, Mirror are all banger trinkets

[terse ether]

Personal opinion: dont craft anything yet 😆

[turbid needle]

holyyyyyyyyy

😎

i just looted mirror

[terse ether]

Good trinket for arms 😆

[oblique trail]

I imagine Hourglass is also good as a passive

[terse ether]

Just get whatever you can get as upgrade 😆

[oblique trail]

well yeah

[terse ether]

Butchers trinket seems nice

[short spire]

boys which bosses are MT and ST in raid?

[plucky ice]

logs most run meatcleaver on igira to pad lmao

[terse ether]

Or just search wlogs and see what everyone else doing

Tbh most of warriors now play arms anyways for progreas

Because he is better for early, always being always will

[radiant coyote]

Guys which tierset piece do we like the least

[covert void]

wait what gems do we put in our gear now? neck etc. Generally, I know sim says best but its prob scuffed while gearing.

[wild mural]

Aaaaa I’m so mad

[tame juniper]

what are all the boys crafting with their first spark

[wild mural]

I’m stuck at work 😦 I’m not crafting shit

[distant niche]

is ebon might benefitial for fury when it comes to parsing well?

[wild mural]

[sturdy violet]

did you find a way to turn it off?

[short spire]

ver pot or corrupting rage?

[oblique trail]

aug doesn't help you parse better

[nocturne carbon]

in here somewhere

[sturdy violet]

ty

[hardy crow]

whats the best phial atm?

[oblique trail]

tepid vers/corrupting rage

vers is more consistent and safe

[nocturne carbon]

vers is cheaper

[versed cipher]

https://i.imgur.com/jPYeVgs.png this the new phial?

[oblique trail]

delete pawn

[versed cipher]

ngl

[balmy belfry]

whats our stat prio ? and why we get to difrent in raid n mythic+

[distant niche]

do we pop all cds on gnarlroot in opener

or wait for adds?

[drifting cloud]

what do we craft ?

wrist with some embel

[dark flower]

All these answers and more can be found in the pins

[dark flower]

Augury slaps. 470 was a 4K dps upgrade for me today.

[drifting cloud]

is it the shadowflame-tempered armor patch ?

[subtle lagoon]

I wonder, why is main stat food not recommended since Season 1/2

[oblique trail]

There's an incredibly small difference between what food you use in ST, but main stat food is generally always best

[subtle lagoon]

That's what I thought since str is our best stat to prio

[hidden lily]

hey do we get our 2nd catalyst charge next week or in two weeks?

[oblique trail]

every 2 weeks

[hidden lily]

ya i know that but from which week

[oblique trail]

from raid open

[hidden lily]

so from this week or last week

oh ok

[south thunder]

we still using 2 shadowflames?

[eternal sundial]

From last

You have 1 charge rn

[eternal sundial]

Vers wrist + sf

[south thunder]

ty

[patent crest]

some one has a spell reflect weak aura for s3 ? plz

[wild mural]

Only another 6 hours at work

[eternal sundial]

I got 5

[frosty karma]

content isn't going anywhere, don't get fomo'd 👍

[deep burrow]

Exactly. Gonna be a loooong season

[iron portal]

Aquire prawn

[unreal onyx]

L

I‘ll go after 2 more

[eternal sundial]

Ich werd dich überfahren

[proud vessel]

if i have a +10 and do a +15 can i get my key to +15 aswell?

[quasi river]

Anyone know why crit is so undervalued for us this season? Looking at the tier set and the build I'd have thought it would be really good for OF cdr.

[unreal onyx]

Rude

[worn rain]

you get plenty of cdr from set 100% crits

so it is naturally drops value of crit

[modest needle]

https://i.imgur.com/unHtONu.png

oh is this goog?

[chrome plover]

yes

well not really at that ilvl but yes

[modest needle]

babysteps init

[worn rain]

[slim coral]

I got augury!!

[chrome plover]

sheesh

[slim coral]

Still no weapon drop though

[chrome plover]

guildies timing 20s before raid

[slim coral]

After 10 keys

[chrome plover]

crackheads

it's 11am

[chrome plover]

ive done 2 and no loot

scammed

[slim coral]

I have lots of gear

But it’s all tier spots

[chrome plover]

ah thats not ideal

[calm mantle]

So I just logged in after 2 weeks and I dunno wtf I'm doing now for my class

AHHHHH

[chrome plover]

just press buttons and vibe

[calm mantle]

I dunno what buttons to press now that (forgot name) is gone

the button the pressed to build your rage.

Rampaging blow

Do we still use it?

[chrome plover]

you have 2p?

[calm mantle]

I have old tier, first day back

[chrome plover]

then use same talents as we used before

[calm mantle]

Ah so don't convert till new tier set? easy

[chrome plover]

not until you get 2p

and at that point you just put slam where raging blow was

[calm mantle]

Ah easy

[chrome plover]

rotation changes very slightly so check guide

but it's no harder, if anything easier

[drifting cloud]

can someone please explain to me? what embelishment it is that we need to the wrist ?

[mossy nimbus]

are sims broken or can this actually be a dps downgrade of about 600dps compared to the crafted 447 wep? or am i missing smth else?

[chrome plover]

allied wristguards

it's a specific item

[chrome plover]

link sim

[mossy nimbus]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4TZpT71FGm1wUxqPt6CN9y

[quiet swallow]

I can craft wrists and any plate piece no problem. Deeznutticus-Anvilmar. I'm not online till 820

[dull sierra]

ive been playing since 4am and got 1 timed 20 so far

[tacit crag]

What ilvl are you?

[craggy jungle]

your sim does regem with no gems selected, the -536 profile has 0 gems in it

[dull sierra]

450 ish

got 2 glove drops

[chrome plover]

yeah your gems got messed up

[eternal sundial]

SaltW op

[chrome plover]

it's +3k

[mossy nimbus]

ah i see, its because of the gems in the neck right

sry i am stupid then, ill try again ty

[chrome plover]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pBrLromwNi2rLq8GAwg4US

[craggy jungle]

just rerun it and make sure to select gems

[chrome plover]

despair

[mossy nimbus]

ty!

[silent burrow]

Dude what the fuck is this trinket lol how is it this bad

this is a 5:18 fight

[terse ether]

Which one is this

[silent burrow]

Nightmare egg shell

[terse ether]

Ah from thicket

Its shit since legion

But we don't need it anymore

We going hasteless 😆

[silent burrow]

I was playing arms

so I need haste lol

[terse ether]

Ah

Thats different

Thicket has a juicy mastery ring

https://www.wowhead.com/item=207162/signet-of-the-last-elder?bonus=7981:9576:1520

[pulsar turtle]

If we get a 2h off heroic should we be upgrading it for push?

[glad storm]

Got the 2+2 last night and slowly trying to get away from dumb amount of haste lol

[silent burrow]

the gnarlroot one? it's giga

[pulsar turtle]

Yes, should I spend my crests on it?

I’m sorta confused where to spend crests atm

[glad storm]

I'm spending crests on anything I get that's 470 plus

As a plan

[silent burrow]

idk I ain't spending shit rn

[glad storm]

Haven't gotten anything yet though

[naive swallow]

so u have to wait for an hour to receive ur wow token ?

[silent burrow]

but ask yourself how quickly you'll kill gnarlroot on mythic

[pulsar turtle]

@silent burrow true

[terse ether]

Well ideally the best weapon is Gorehowl

But good luck getting that from vault 😆

[silent burrow]

they're both in the sim profile

so they're both bis outside of lego lol

[blissful kestrel]

2p 2p better than old 4p?

[terse ether]

I see Incandescent Soulcleaver instead of gnarlroot

[terse ether]

Yes

I think

[silent burrow]

in what profile?

[terse ether]

Wowhead

[silent burrow]

Well, this is the most up to date and accurate

seeing as it's our simc profile

[terse ether]

Can you share link

[silent burrow]

https://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/T31_Raid.html

[terse ether]

Cheers

[empty crest]

are people playing arms or fury in m+ atm

[molten wing]

both

[oblique trail]

Has anyone tried to see if Berserker Shout works on the Throne squid boss

like tremor

[dull sierra]

ive played both and been fine

[empty crest]

ok fair

I guess that was to be expected

[frail trout]

I tried arms to play the FoB build but it feels very awkward in lower keys

even a 15 fortified the trash simply dies too fast

I'd rather play fury to skip all that unless I'm in a 20 or higher

[oblique trail]

Playing with a Havoc in my keys

unplayable to play FoB

[frail trout]

to its credit FoB was p fun to play but yeah

I'm not doing that again unless I'm in a much higher key level

[molten wing]

just play with a bad havoc

[oblique trail]

sorry don't think I can convince them to do less damage

[frail trout]

maybe blizzard will reduce their damage for you

[pliant iron]

Do I want to hit my Odyn's and CSHB dots on before I roar or after for the dot damage increase from thunderous words?

[frail trout]

this one?

it's not reliant on roar

for the increase

[pliant iron]

Oh for real? Well shit aye lol

I thought with it being connected it was going to be reliant, dumb misunderstanding, thanks 🙂

[haughty nova]

Need Help, ive got 2 peice and do we go 2p 2p and what woudl the talents ben for that? for ST and Multi target in raid

[blissful kestrel]

Yes 2p 2p and look at Wowhead for builds

[lilac totem]

Hey quick question. Do we get catalyst charges once a week? Or every 2 weeks? I had ppl in my guild tell me every 2 weeks which is confusing me since I'm used to last seasons 1 a week

[silent burrow]

every 2

[toxic grove]

do you go aoe in fryakk?

[fading bane]

you go arms

[lilac totem]

Got it thanks

[rotund ginkgo]

is gorehowl bis cuz of demonthing?

or am i missing something?

[delicate burrow]

what setting do you guys run to sim fury for M+?

5t 1m, 5t 5m, 1t 5m?

[rotund ginkgo]

nothing

st

pointless to run aoe for fury

1t 5m

[delicate burrow]

TD or patchwerk?

[rotund ginkgo]

patchwerk

u just sim highest dps output thats it

best u can do is probably sim without raid buffs

[delicate burrow]

yeah sorry thats what i was thinking mb

[terse ether]

The closest you can do is 5t 2m patchwerk

Because that will indicate something close to what you want ( charge to a pack with full cds)

You can take out BL if you want as well..
But have in mind isn't pretty accurate.

The best is : patchwerk 1t 5m
And see guides/ what other people prio and bloodmallet for "an idea" For trinkets ( meaning, don't 100% trust 😆 )

[frosty scroll]

is 2p 2p unironically better than new 4p?

[plush ice]

does anyone ahve a spear/TR macro that correctly uses @pulsar wing for spear?

#showtooltip
/cast [known:Spear of Bastion] [@pulsar wing] Spear of Bastion; [known:Thunderous Roar] Thunderous Roar

that above dosn't work for some reason

[terse ether]

Isn't this always the case?

[somber elk]

what are you guys crafting first if m+ is your focus?

[covert flare]

you can also do at feet

[terse ether]

I believe wrists

[plush ice]

any macro for that?>

cause #showtooltip Spear of Bastion
/cast [@pulsar wing] Spear of Bastion

works fine

no clue why it dosn't work if i set it up w/ a known: conditional

i'm sure i'm just doing something dumb, but idk what

[winter sleet]

so for a char with no embelishes due to not playing last season, is it worth sending spark with the enchanted wyrm from questline or do i hold?

[celest hearth]

for your burst window with new set can we macro reck,avatar, and roar together,

[plush ice]

no, you want to track OF's bleed, and Avatar as the bleed falls off during spear

[frosty scroll]

is it 🤨

[celest hearth]

so whats the aoe opener then

[plush ice]

oh, sorry, you said roar, iknow you space it out w/ spear

i mean, i think you'd still want to maxamise the bleed though in AoE

[celest hearth]

are you saying you dont get the 20% dam buff twardss roar if u macro avatar and roar together

[plush ice]

well, i'm saying you want to prevent a situation where you cast avatar while you still have the bleed from your hard casted OF, or vice versa

since your avatar is casting a free OF

[celest hearth]

right but im not macroing OF

reck, avatar, roar

[plush ice]

sure, but if you OF the global right after you do that, you just lost dmg

[celest hearth]

ya i know lol

[brittle folio]

Did our stat weights change? I didn’t craft verse bracers last season

[celest hearth]

im basing this rotation off the 2p i shouldve clarified

4p you prolly want to pop off you OF before avatar, thats what your getting at i think

[winged ivy]

do we have any BiS list for season 3 fury?

[golden hare]

i had a copypasta for this but tldr bis lists are cringe and outdated

just sim lol

[outer bluff]

I was wondering, why do we go the embellished bracers over the legs? When I sim them, the legs are higher >.>

[brittle folio]

Why are we using allied bracers tho

[golden hare]

free vers innit

[fading crater]

legendary dropped?

[subtle lagoon]

In comparison to other embellishments, I guess it gives the most value

[chilly fractal]

Legendary didn’t but Deez did

[golden hare]

what's deez 🤨

[chilly fractal]

Deez Nuts

[summer quail]

he's one of the hosts of Cold ones

good youtube channel

[chilly fractal]

Sorry I needed a chuckle today… I didnt get it but I tried

[untold moth]

So where are my Fury doomers at? Heroic fury is scraping the bottom of the barrel and arms is living it up, i knew fury was ass and all the PTR hype it was mid was

[subtle lagoon]

I've been a doomer since they announced tier changes

[plucky ice]

brother u need 4p for fury

[chilly fractal]

I mean Arms did get a big buff with patch

Fury needs tier

[slender perch]

Is Rezan's Gleaming eye buggewd? Not seeing it do any dmg in M+

[golden hare]

that would be pretty funny

do you have logs?

[slender perch]

not logs

i dont think

but details not showing

[silent burrow]

@pulsar wing puts it at your feet

[golden hare]

@empty thorn do you know anything about this?

rezan's

[plush ice]

yeah, thats what i'm trying to get to work in the macro

[tiny seal]

is the guide outdated or is the shadowflame patch still the best embellishment?

[brittle folio]

Stat weights have not changed

[golden hare]

can you show the version with your known condition or does it not matter

[plush ice]

#showtooltip
/cast [known:Spear of Bastion] [@pulsar wing] Spear of Bastion; [known:Thunderous Roar] Thunderous Roar

that dosn't work for some reason

[molten wing]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/tpg3c2n1m8rCf7YV#fight=54&type=damage-done&source=10

this guy is using it , it did 1.64% of his dmg

unless it bugged out after

[golden hare]

damn that stinks

[golden hare]

/use [known:376079,@player] Spear of Bastion; Thunderous Roar```
try this. or do you want one with BOTH talented?

[plush ice]

oooo, ok, that worked for spear, let me wait to make sure it works w/ TR but i bet it does

tyty

[golden hare]

🫡

[slender perch]

TY!!!

[oblique trail]

@golden hare

[golden hare]

:3

[plush ice]

ok, one small thing

the macro works now

but if i edit it slightly to cast recklessness before either reck dosnt' cast

[golden hare]

how did you do that, and i do not recommend using a macro like that

[plush ice]

not a big deal, i can just have a sep keybind for it, but it would seem reasonable to always cast reck at the same time

oh wait, nvm, i'm dumb

[hallow wren]

guys i dont have T30 sets , should i go fury or arm and which build?

[heady saffron]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gtWcXXfTbEsK8Xjzev9cwr

went up 20k getting 2p2p, still set to expac launch talents tho :s

kek

[golden hare]

play whichever spec you prefer to play won't make or break anything

[hallow wren]

Thanks

[pearl lagoon]

You can get t30 pretty quickly at 437 ilvl by farming the dream surge events

The BoA tokens that drop from that can be converted to old tier for free and upgrades to 437 ilvl with flightstones

[sand nacelle]

Theres also weekly tokens from dreamsurge and time rifts which can be upgraded to 450

[heady saffron]

think i did the time rift and dreamsurge for 428(450) pieces to upgrade to t30

get to choose which slots you want

[sand nacelle]

Just make sure to max out the ilvl first BEFORE upgrading to tier

[heady saffron]

you cna upgrade after

now i think

[sand nacelle]

Oh really? Unless they hotfixed something, it would lock in the ilvl when you use the catalyst

[obsidian valve]

where do yopu upgrade to t30? I only see options to upgrade to t31 at the catalyst thingie

[heady saffron]

has to be a s2 content piece

[sand nacelle]

Make sure youre putting in season 2 gear, dreamsurge, suffused, time rift stuff

[heady saffron]

99% sure my pants said i could still upgrade after changing them

logging in to confirm

[obsidian valve]

hmm kay I might have no s2 itmes anymore

[sand nacelle]

The ones you can upgrade wont be marked as s2, just get new dreamsurge, time rift or fyrakk assault gear and you can upgrade those

[heady saffron]

can get 2 of whichever slot you want easy with dreamsurge and time rift weekly quests

[silent burrow]

Damn people already using catalyst

sheesh

oh t30

[heady saffron]

i used my catalyst cuz i dont think imma do normal yet lol

[silent burrow]

seems bold

vault exists

[heady saffron]

cata'd it last night

[obsidian valve]

thanks

so if you have t30 4/4, fury or arms?

or negligible?

for raiding, in m+ I'll just tank

[oblique trail]

In raid atm it's an Arms angle

If t30

[obsidian valve]

kk

arms is a bit more complicatd than fury right? Fury is real braindead :lmao

[oblique trail]

Alternatively peek on warcraftlogs and see what people play predominantly on the fights

[obsidian valve]

yea fair

[oblique trail]

If you've never played Arms before you're honestly better off just playing Fury

[obsidian valve]

okay yeah thats why i asked 😄

thanks alot

[chilly fractal]

BM hunters do…. Absurd damage

Holy fuck

[silent burrow]

yeah they flying too close to the sun

[next hatch]

2 months of PTR btw

[silent burrow]

wild dam lol

I think it's potentially an aug thing though

[chilly fractal]

And PI

[silent burrow]

No like

aug and pet interaction is scuffed

[chilly fractal]

Ah

[silent burrow]

so it's inflating them a bit

but still turbo cracked

[next hatch]

That better be the case because the difference from them to 2nd place is simply absurd

[silent burrow]

it'll get tuned

it's not a big deal

[naive swallow]

anyone couldnt load into dungeons?

[chilly fractal]

Give us that kind of dam

[naive swallow]

bar stuck at 0% , everytime

[heady saffron]

sorry furry has to stay mid to lower half

its a rule

[chilly fractal]

Damn

[subtle lagoon]

idk why the hell we're always so shit with damage, we're holding two massive two handers, something that no other class does.

[dark sky]

Consistently doing 3% of my dps in keys, not bugged but pretty underwhelming in short encounters

[steep fable]

what is demonbane?

[silent burrow]

3% is pretty decent tbh

[fading bane]

INSHALLAH

we did it

[steel copper]

Does more damage to demons iirc

[fading bane]

3 keys

[silent burrow]

lemme hold that for a sec

[dark sky]

🤝

[tulip sentinel]

Just came back from a break and saw our tier set and new builds. What da heck Blizzard this stinks!

[trail bane]

The tierset is very powerful

[rotund ginkgo]

50K from a warrior

lets gooooooooo

[steep fable]

what is that?

[spiral night]

What are you smoking This tier is godly 🙌🏼

[next hatch]

I think he means he does not like annihilator

[tulip sentinel]

I like my little simple raging blow and rampage rotation

[next hatch]

Only thing I'll miss is Anger Management as it was making the gameplay a lot less boring

[wet wraith]

signet brand day 1 feels so good

[fading crater]

legendary dropped?

[raw urchin]

I am in the same boat having never played annihilator. I checked the pins and I don't see a rotation under this new build (sorry if I missed it). Is the rotation completely different with annihilator? Looks like back to RA since we aren't taking Rav. But is the core rotation still raging blow and rampage?

[past schooner]

Anyone else wildly disappointed with their day 1 ST as Fury?

[gilded pawn]

Yeah you need more vers

[tulip sentinel]

No more raging blow. Now it’s use bloodthrist, rampage, whirlwind and slam

[toxic grove]

Im doing way less than I sim in ST

is it skill issue?

[arctic raft]

Yeah it was really bad

No new tier yet tho

[lean tiger]

Same, I have no idea what I'm doing wrong or have wrong

[idle oriole]

Yes

[toxic grove]

I knew it

[subtle lagoon]

436 bm hunter shitting on me lel

[past schooner]

Don't be rude lol

Felt like we're undertuned pretty hard without 2 set or lego

[raw urchin]

Ah okay. Thanks

[toxic grove]

spoiler alert

[idle oriole]

Wait are you playing new talents without the the new tier?

[past schooner]

Nope

[toxic grove]

2 set is like 2%~4% increase

[past schooner]

Just felt like I was swinging pool noodles compared to these hunters and other classes

[arctic raft]

Yeah I was getting rekt in st

I hate spear

[toxic grove]

its just legendary waiting room for this class to me

[past schooner]

Haha right?

I'm convinced we didn't get any of the fun stuff in anticipation of the power spike

[tulip sentinel]

Imo it’s why I don’t like getting legendaries. Class gets balanced around it

[gilded pawn]

2 set isn’t a dps up

[limber mirage]

2 set feels so good

I love the new rotation

[keen forum]

it feels like wack a mole

[gilded pawn]

Better than holding down rb

[limber mirage]

Fingers hurt much less

[umbral ingot]

🦍 fuck everbloom

[oblique trail]

only bad part of Everbloom is the berserkers that almost onetap on their jumps

[heady saffron]

i have a feeling the legendary is gonna be at the end of that fragment chain

[toxic flare]

The end of power of dreams quest give you the head enchant

[steel copper]

How do we get more than one head enchant? Do we buy additional ones?

Cause if I'm tanking m+ and dps raid I think there's an enchant for each type of role?

[toxic flare]

Not consumed

[fading bane]

it goes so hard

[outer bluff]

Yeah me

[errant vessel]

do you guys know if the pvp token gives same ilvl tier set as m+/raid token?

[short spire]

should i use this inseatd of ominous?

[sullen basin]

do abilities interrupt the chain of shalamayne

i know that one a raid or two ago had this issue

[modest talon]

im still confused if we play the new build without the new tier xD

[eternal sundial]

You dont

[gilded pawn]

You don’t

[steep fable]

you dont change talents until you get new 2pc

[modest talon]

im smart then

just got lfr gloves ❤️ cant wait for normal :p

[sullen basin]

I'm playing the new build without the new tier

feels good man

SMF gang gang

from what i remember last tier the build would suffer massively more than this tier by picking up SMF, now it's more of a problem because of the legendary than because of the talents

[gilded pawn]

Also the 39 extra levels

Ilevel makes tg pull more ahead

[sullen basin]

yeah but i dont have the legendary B)

til i get it im bing chilling onehand

[gilded pawn]

You also don’t have big 2handers

[sullen basin]

does the axe have different levels depending on raid difficulty you get it on

[gilded pawn]

Yes

[spiral night]

God the new build feels so good, fury is finally fun again

[sullen basin]

how high is the normal raid axe in ilvl

first boss is 454 last 467 i think

[eternal sundial]

@gilded pawn nice yapp

[golden solstice]

Hmm people talking about smf?? Is it viable again??

[eternal sundial]

Gj

[gilded pawn]

What’s yapp

[eternal sundial]

Definitely

[eternal sundial]

Form of yapping

[sullen basin]

no

as long as you dont have the 2h axe from raid, its slightly less unviable than last raid

bc the build lets you get it easier

its still bad

[eternal sundial]

@sullen basin werent you the guy who raided on 2 warriorss and parsed grey on both because of smf

[sullen basin]

no i played shaman

and parsed green/blue

as a warrior i was like blue/purple

and didnt do smf

I am an advocate for it, but not someone who will tell someone that it is better and I didn't do it myself last tier or the first. I played TG

[sweet torrent]

yo guys do i go the annihilator build with the 2set or do i just replace onslaught with odyns fury?

[sinful spoke]

@gilded pawn professional yapper

[gilded pawn]

Agreed

I have no friends irl

So I just yapp here

[eternal sundial]

Tried violent crime?

Fun passtime

Ingame

[bold grotto]

Anyone know where I can find Fury m+/raid talents for someone who has no tier bonuses? Everything I've found so far has been for T30 or T31 specifically

[lusty moss]

Do we swap build at 2p or 4p?

[eternal sundial]

2p

[eternal sundial]

Use the old ones

[molten wing]

does it actually pump ? I saw some logs where it did some mid overall but maybe it was low ilvl

[fading bane]

6% overall as prot just now

it cranks

[storm meadow]

Try either, see the diff after 5 minutes on a pillar.

[past pivot]

Pins and guides linked there. As always.

[past pivot]

2

[eternal sundial]

I literally answered axe

💀

Like both of em too man

[storm meadow]

Quick question : do we have the %DPS gains of 2P & 4P somewhere ? I'd like to know if I can easily let my guildmates have their stuff first

[sinful spoke]

Nah fuck em

Take it for urself

Be greedy or lose

[steel copper]

That's not very zugzug of you

[eternal sundial]

Mage mindset

[dark ice]

Blizzard wasnt joking when they said they dont wanna release any info about lego early
But now would be the time tbh

[eternal sundial]

Item on me > item on you
I am batman

[sinful spoke]

U get 39% dmg increase from tier

Source i made it the fuck up

[oblique trail]

Straight comparison between the set bonuses is:
2p+2p is the same roughly
4p Amirdrassil is roughly a 6.5-7% increase

[dark ice]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-rising-metal-gear-rising-revengeance-senator-armstrong-revengeance-i-made-it-the-fuck-up-gif-25029602

[subtle lagoon]

Got mirror, hate that it's a 3min cd but apparently it slaps

[oblique trail]

For Zenith token we're basically the highest %gain (I think still unless other class TCs have somehow squeezed out more)

[dark ice]

one patch alte

[prime charm]

is it worth breaking my t30 4-pc for ilvl increases?

[eternal sundial]

Sim

Generally nah

[prime charm]

i literally have no idea how to sim for m+

[eternal sundial]

Just sim 5 target 5 min or something

You can accurately sim keys but approximate it

[prime charm]

ah ty dude, didnt know that

[terse ether]

Only id you have 2p

Sorry i meant to reply on the other one.. You got the point 😆

[eternal sundial]

People also adjust fight lengh at times, just dont get baited by 3 minute trinkets in a 1 min sim or whatever

[terse ether]

I usually do no bl 1m 5t patchwerk

[woven lily]

u guys think this trinket is good?

[oblique trail]

nop

[silent gazelle]

Leaked

Real

[oblique trail]

counterweight is ok

but that's aboujt it

[woven lily]

ok, tyty

[spiral night]

Nah fake 😦

Real

[modest condor]

real

[clever path]

Confirm got mine today, have been timeout for 3 hour

[olive wraith]

Real

[grand condor]

Just got 2p last night. Couple questions about openers:
-Are we using Reck > Avatar > Roar > Rampage + 3 BTs > OF to make use of the 3 bonus hits to Bloodthirst?
-When I get 4p, is it better to Reck > OF first to get the 4p's cooldown reduction rolling?

[tepid lily]

hey guys, should I do something with the spark?

like a weapon 483 or anything

ring

[lean tiger]

I keep staying below where I sim on my Fury, posted logs but trying to see if anyone else had some a-ha moments with Fury

[subtle lagoon]

This is fun lol

[fickle bone]

You guys craft cloak or wrist first as for raid

[oblique trail]

Crafted allied wrists since they're better for AoE and will be doing M+ outside of raid

[silent burrow]

wrists gotta be the play

[fickle bone]

ye thinking same

[novel perch]

fury sucks now right XD?

[oblique trail]

yeah fury is terrible you should go windwalker

[silent burrow]

lmao

[subtle lagoon]

Sucks without tier, not much special with it from what I'm seeing

[silent burrow]

literally ain't even been 24 hours into new raid homie

[royal swan]

so worth going as arms with high ilvl instead of 4p tier 10 fury xd

[subtle lagoon]

ptr data has shown plenty, with literally no dev notes for warrior. Not even a change to our toenails lol

[silent burrow]

ok

[novel perch]

I am, I like fury, but I dont want to be an anchor in raid xD

so my quesion is, is it better to go arms until 4p

[outer bluff]

I feel called out

[silent burrow]

If you are in 4pc t30 you should play arms in raid

If you want to do the most damage as warrior

[novel perch]

thx

[outer bluff]

I have 2pc t31 and 2pc t30

[silent burrow]

then sim yourself

[novel perch]

no luck for me

[limber peak]

been blasting today on fury in M+, I feel like we do fuck all damage now compared to last season

[warm pewter]

okay so not only me feeling it

good

[limber peak]

its only an alt so wont be as good as a main but I feel weaker than I did 3 weeks ago

[proud vessel]

Weird question to ask now but how do you guys open in aoe m+ situations with t30 set? i do charge + ww into Onslaught and then Ravager + Reck + Avatar.
Is that correct or should you ravager + reck before charge but then its not enraged...?

[silent burrow]

I cranked in keys yesterday as fury

[limber peak]

but any1 know why this is?

[broken crescent]

did cataclysmic signet brand get like nerfed harder than the 10% from the patch notes? the tooltip dosnt match up even close to what wowhead shows it as.

7924 fir dmg over 6 seconds on live for 463

[winter sleet]

at the risk of sounding stupid, how come my mirror dosnt line up with avatar?

[broken crescent]

shows almost 300k over 6 seconds on wowhead

its like they did 100% instead of 10

[subtle lagoon]

Avatar is a 1.5min cd and mirror is a 3min cd

[winter sleet]

indeed, thus it should line up with every 2nd, but it dosnt

[subtle lagoon]

every 2nd or 3rd avatar, you mean?

[winter sleet]

every 2nd, as in avatar 1 avatar 3 avatar 5 avatar 7 and so on

[prime charm]

same, our damage sucks

[subtle lagoon]

It does line up though

Using with 1st avatar, then you can use with 3rd avatar.

[outer bluff]

So, if I have a Bloodbath proc and Rampage comes up, do I just use Rampage even if I miss the proc?

[gilded pawn]

Use blood

[outer bluff]

Okay

I've just been trying to learn this class and it's been frustrating being on the bottom with like 60k when it shows I can easily do 100k

[winter sleet]

it didnt in my last key atleast

[subtle lagoon]

Just tested earlier, assuming perfect timing and instant cast as soon as avatar is up.

I will assume that you didn't cast avatar on cooldown, which will throw things out of wack obviously

[winter sleet]

ah ye suppose its due to that, tyty

[analog rivet]

anyone can tell me in short what tier slots we wanna use?

[agile tiger]

Not head

[analog rivet]

ok so engi head is an option, nice

[outer bluff]

Also, we are prioritizing Mastery and Vers now?

[ember apex]

u still need a chunk of haste

[outer bluff]

Yeh

[ember apex]

but theres DR on how much value it has

where at some point mastery/vers becomes better

but u need to sim ur upgrades

[outer bluff]

Fair fair

[ember apex]

but RN the big race is ilvl

so focus on gaining 4p and then ilvl

and then once u have a bunch of pieces u hyper optimize secondaries

u can always move secondaries around in ur neck, ring enchants and socketed gems

[outer bluff]

Sounds good

[ember apex]

but make sure you're simming those changes

[teal sable]

Is 89 log NM for the first kill good?

[stark apex]

are yall crafting bracers first?

[dapper goblet]

👨‍🦼

[warm crag]

terrible uninstall

[teal sable]

L+ Ratio

[weak tartan]

whats everbloom portal called?

[warm crag]

crying

[vocal spade]

I’ve been playing prot for the last 4 years and I finally get to dps again. Spent the whole raid not in a stance :). Does anyone have a WA that’s like “hey idiot get into a stance”

[hasty path]

No