Just get strength
#fury
gilded pawn
restive peak
You don’t even need to stress simming except if you enjoy it first week (or two if you’re casual), you’ll be replacing everything with higher ilvl
Start simming consistently post first week clears/first round of M+ loot, half your high simming stuff will swap as you change your entire gear set
red elbow
Which are the bis for fury one hand?
gilded pawn
The ones with procs
oblique trail
Fyrakks weapon
spark goblet
Which are the bis for fury one hand?
Sim it
tardy lark
The ones that say two-handed weapon that you then transmog to small weapon appearances
fallow stratus
Content drops tomorrow and I STILL don't know what to play lmao
chrome plover
Fury warrior
clever belfry
fury warrior
pearl lagoon
Outlaw is fun
rocky geyser
hey guys, does anyone know what hour dungeons will be available on wednesday?
oblique trail
Should be after maintenance whenever that finishes
rocky geyser
my friends are saying 9AM
seems kinda late right?
i remember playing around 7-8 if I recall correctly
oblique trail
Pretty sure that's around the usual season launch
willow cradle
Ah the guide says verse because we are getting to a point of big diminishing returns on certain stats and a bigger emphasis on melee attacks, honestly just start simming once you are home, the guides a guideline only, it may not apply to your character.
lost bison
yo how would i sim my current gear but with new tier activated (same ilvl etc)
chrome plover
my friends are saying 9AM
well 5am uk time is when the servers officially come up
and usually our maintainence isnt very long because they use NA beta test
tropic perch
thanks chawie
willow cradle
yo how would i sim my current gear but with new tier activated (same ilvl etc)
Gear compare would be your best bet if you don't know how to make custom sims
chrome plover
thanks chawie
lost bison
Gear compare would be your best bet if you don't know how to make custom sims
goal would be to have a profile with the new set to do a droptimizer with
but yea i guess gear compare works
arctic raft
Our guilds loot system lets us choose 3 items to get priority on. What would we choose from raid?
fading bane
tier
chrome plover
keen moon
Trinket
stuck bison
Recipes
rotund steppe
tier and trinket
eternal sundial
Our guilds loot system lets us choose 3 items to get priority on. What would we ...
Brand + 4p + everything ig
lost bison
Our guilds loot system lets us choose 3 items to get priority on. What would we ...
i wish it was that easy 
burnt stone
robust leaf
any news guys about legendary axe ?
fickle bluff
bad luck protection from week 1 !
bold osprey
Dont need that bad luck protection. Just going in on Patchday and loot it right away
late cape
Did the Evoker leggo unlock with WF Mythic?
oblique trail
surely you wont see timmy doing a normal run as his only raid run on patch day and loot legendary before the rwf is over
oblique trail
Did the Evoker leggo unlock with WF Mythic?
yes, after the first kill of mythic sark in your region
arctic raft
Brand + 4p + everything ig
I thought brand got nerfed? Didn’t know if it was still bis
late cape
Wonder what week it starts counting the bad luck protection then, if its your first kill after unlock or first kill regardless
eternal sundial
I thought brand got nerfed? Didn’t know if it was still bis
Idk id sim shit not trust on the shit ppl yap (including me)
modest condor
that trinket is way more than 10% ahead so i doubt the nerf makes it not bis
but doing all this before things are finalized is kinda weirdchamp anyway
plush flower
Season start 14th or 15th
oblique trail
both
late cape
Depends on EU or NA
oblique trail
NA 14th EU 15th
fickle bluff
tw 16th
fading bane
how big is the dmg signet does to urself?
dire badge
😔
fading bane
is it like the flask, or more
robust leaf
What is the best trinkets for fury guys ?
modest condor
how big is the dmg signet does to urself?
i think someone said it averages out to like 2k dps taken
but it hits for 6-12k or something
fading bane
thats nothing
robust leaf
brand with rezan ?
fading bane
yup
modest condor
i would just sim your own character rather than going off of bis or whatever
your characters isnt bis
whatever is bis may not be best for you in the moment
oblique trail
is the ptr active still even
robust leaf
i need to put bis gear list for the guild so they know what i need
summer quail
bruh
modest condor
like the fury profile is using like 5k vers or something
so ofcourse trinkets that deal direct damage are gonna be worth a lot
modest condor
i need to put bis gear list for the guild so they know what i need
bruh
wild mural
Bis only never sim 
modest condor
that's cringe af
robust leaf
i'm always simming my char
fading bane
every upgrade is bis
modest condor
tell them legendary axe is bis
desert cloud
doesn't care
rotund steppe
i just ran a droptimiser and eerything higher than a 1.3% gain i set it as bis
desert cloud
i just ran away from my kids at home
modest condor
next we're gonna get people saying their guild is telling them to provide their stat weights so they can hand out gear based on that
dire badge
bis cause I want it
rotund steppe
bis cause I want it
late cape
Guilds will require pawn % upgrade
desert cloud
me when loot
wind furnace
Sorry to get off topic here.. Does anyone by chance have the macro for spear of bastion/recklessness/avatar so i can use it all in one button
desert cloud
Sorry to get off topic here.. Does anyone by chance have the macro for spear of ...
no
don't
wind furnace
no?
plucky ice
desert cloud
don't put 2 gcds on 1 button
wind furnace
ahhh my bad, I may be thinking about something else. I was fuckin with something in 10.0 when I played maybe it wasn't that but it was spear with something
oblique trail
Testing the brand rn on the PTR, and I can outleech the normal ilvl trinkets dot on max stacks
very nice
desert cloud
ahhh my bad, I may be thinking about something else. I was fuckin with something...
fury usually gets all buffs then spears
robust leaf
next we're gonna get people saying their guild is telling them to provide their ...
this is the first time that i'm being asked and for the season 2 i always wear what sims better
fickle bluff
next we're gonna get people saying their guild is telling them to provide their ...
dont give people ideas
wind furnace
@desert cloud Appreciate it homie
modest condor
this is the first time that i'm being asked and for the season 2 i always wear w...
maybe the first time you're being asked
but not the first time someone comes in here with that
summer quail
next we're gonna get people saying their guild is telling them to provide their ...
pawn required
desert cloud
<@325375325032677376> Appreciate it homie
so basically in season 2 it would look like charge burst onslaught rampage spear rampage
idk abt s3 but u get the idea
i don't think they run spear in s3
anyway
rotund steppe
i wonder, can u sim specific pieces of gear that u dont have?
robust leaf
@rotund steppe yes you can
rotund steppe
how?
modest condor
gear compare
robust leaf
Gear compare
robust leaf
@modest condor what is the most important trinkets should we aim for ?
oblique trail
You can also manually input the item into top gear if you know how
rotund steppe
i think we gonna go with signet rezan?
modest condor
do a droptimizer sim and check which trinkets come out on top
idk what your best trinkets would be
robust leaf
Bro trinkets are a clear answer
chrome plover
might of the ocean/mirror seem pretty cool in m+
robust leaf
mostly will be clear
oblique trail
If your tank chain pulls and the dungeon allows it, Signet can probably also see use in m+
dark flower
Y’all sleeping on augury
rotund steppe
If your tank chain pulls and the dungeon allows it, Signet can probably also see...
i mean its sort of like anvil
and i alwyas say to my tank that if my anvil drops off im gonna make him drink decaf coffee
terse ether
guys, I assume the bug of avatar/reck has n't been fixed yet
oblique trail
it has
terse ether
so it doesn't matter the order now?
oblique trail
nop
oblique trail
since 10.2
fading bane
ok so not long lmao
rigid stirrup
if you wanna flashbang your raid transmog into gladiators greatsword
oblique trail
the funny meme is that it doesn't matter anymore
rigid stirrup
i have never seen a weapon this bright in my life
fading bane
ye was gonna say
oblique trail
Since you don't have the torment
fading bane
u dont play it with t31
pulsar turtle
Hey guys, so only ever played warrior but joining a world pushing guild and they need a solid alt. Cant decide for Enhancement, Rogue, or DH. I want a class that can be close to meta always for keys... Cant decide what class to play that I can also learn fast. Would love some people thoughts! Thanks guys. Also dont want my hand to be sore after every pull like fury but if so no biggy.
oblique trail
Rogue/DH will definitely always be meta/close to it
rigid stirrup
^
chrome plover
enhance is always solid but never in the meta comp
pulsar turtle
Its not
rigid stirrup
too squish
summer quail
Don't remember the last time I saw Enhance be meta for m+
s1 df ?
pulsar turtle
Didnt play
rotund steppe
when has dh haent been meta in m+
oblique trail
s1 df ?
Didn't do keys after January and stopped playing in mid Feb, so wouldn't know
fading bane
Ankh is the best defensive
summer quail
ah
chrome plover
man s1 seems like forever ago
rigid stirrup
Ankh is the best defensive
there it is
pulsar turtle
Dh pretty easy to learn?
oblique trail
Atm though for S3, Havoc is probably more likely to be the meta of the 3 choices
DH is fairly easy to pick up yes
summer quail
ye havoc is definetely meta for season 3
fading bane
Dont think any class in the game is that hard to learn ngl
pulsar turtle
def want to play a fun class. I think mage or rogue is more viable long term all around but dont think id enjoy as much
rotund steppe
dh i think is the easiest class
chrome plover
Atm though for S3, Havoc is probably more likely to be the meta of the 3 choices
you think moreso than rogue? even with vengeance being meta tank?
rotund steppe
its insane
rigid stirrup
I mean if you're good at the game most classes outside of arcane dont have that steep of a learning curve imo
chrome plover
arcane doesnt either
rotund steppe
prob gonna get a nerf into their inmo aura
pulsar turtle
Thing is mage always seems meta but idk how I feel about casters
oblique trail
I think the biggest learning curve for DH is to learn how far fel rush/vengeful retreat moves you
chrome plover
Thing is mage always seems meta but idk how I feel about casters
yeah dont play a caster if you dont know how you feel about it
I think dh is your best bet
rigid stirrup
the original point is play the flavor of the month if you're cracked at the game then the transition will always be easy
pulsar turtle
yeah dont play a caster if you dont know how you feel about it
good point
clever belfry
is this 2nd pfp swap today @oblique trail
tropic perch
i'd say try warrior. They get a legendary
oblique trail
is this 2nd pfp swap today <@102464908976730112>
can go for 3rd
pulsar turtle
I also feel like caster positioning is easier but again I havent played caster so
clever belfry
send it brethren
pulsar turtle
Whenever I watch a s priest push a 32 key they just out in open lol
clever belfry
casters in keys are legit /afk
chrome plover
yeah being ranged is just comfy by default
clever belfry
90% of mechanics do not do anything to them
pearl lagoon
I also feel like caster positioning is easier but again I havent played caster s...
Range is generally easier I think
clever belfry
in raid it can be the opposite quite often
rigid stirrup
well people in those high level keys have ran the game plan a lot and know whats happening around them
chrome plover
in raid you have to do mechanics as ranged zz
rigid stirrup
they make it look easy because they have tons of reps
chrome plover
melee just dodge shit and keep uptime
pulsar turtle
yes but im talking they are so out of range of any mechanics they can sit and free cast half of the time
summer quail
played ranged in shadowlands, legit life on easy mode
fading bane
has a mental break
clever belfry
They just floorpov d2
chrome plover
that gets a mele alt and does m+
frontal enjoyers 
fading bane
yup
rotund steppe
they do lmao
pearl lagoon
I don’t like playing ranged though. Especially casters feel weird because I just want to move
rigid stirrup
honestly loved echo prog because casters had to be constantly doing mechanics 🙂
oblique trail
Compare freehold melee pov vs ranged pov in some pulls
fading bane
friend of mine was shaman main into Sepulcher
and went from ele to enhance cus broken
but he only lasted 2 weeks or so
pearl lagoon
Compare freehold melee pov vs ranged pov in some pulls
Post sitter pov
pulsar turtle
LOL
fading bane
back to ranged
chrome plover
honestly loved echo prog because casters had to be constantly doing mechanics 🙂
I disliked it because I just had to wait 100 pulls for ranged to do it right...
eternal sundial
Melee POV last 2 bosses was so zzz
summer quail
frontal enjoyers <:xan:1094127979703062558>
was me when i tried melee in sanguine depths. found out the statue guys has a frontal real fast
modest condor
they make it look easy because they have tons of reps
nah bro, ranged in m+ is easier at every level
eternal sundial
Ranged sark kinda fun but infinitely harder
exotic cradle
New embelishments for ST suggest cloak/wrists now, is there much difference changing from say belt/boots?
modest condor
i made a mage alt one time and did some dungeons and it felt like there was nothing i had to dodge
clever belfry
Ranged sark is as free as melee imo
pulsar turtle
Hows dh survivabilty in high keys?
fading bane
ppl saying ranged is harder in raid, overexaggurate it
summer quail
Hows dh survivabilty in high keys?
good
oblique trail
Pretty good
clever belfry
cause u aren't chained to boss while dodging shit
rotund steppe
i made a mage alt one time and did some dungeons and it felt like there was noth...
lmao i got to 2.5k witha lock idk how to play
eternal sundial
ppl saying ranged is harder in raid, overexaggurate it
Depends on fight innit
chrome plover
New embelishments for ST suggest cloak/wrists now, is there much difference chan...
it is simply because max crafted is 3 ilvls lower than max, so these are the lowest budget pieces
rough raft
are we still warriors ?
fading bane
yes
clever belfry
Ranged is loads harder on echo tho
fading bane
but also ranged players make it seem bigger than it is
clever belfry
Its not
oblique trail
A lot of leech due to high Meta uptime, pretty sure Blur still has omega low CD, still passive magic damage taken reduced iirc?
Unless that got killed in 10.2
rigid stirrup
nah bro, ranged in m+ is easier at every level
no one was arguing that
clever belfry
idk if you've played sarka as melee and ranged
exotic cradle
it is simply because max crafted is 3 ilvls lower than max, so these are the low...
I assume for strength etc on higher stat pieces?
clever belfry
they're equally braindead
summer quail
i think ranged is easier for all pve content. ofcourse there are exceptions like echo
rigid stirrup
but as an addded point yeah I agree
eternal sundial
Sark ranged is same pattern always ig
meager void
So what ranged braindead alt woudl you guys suggest?
i need to start doing this alt shite
eternal sundial
Still felt harder than the melee one when i played it
pearl lagoon
Hunter
oblique trail
BM
azure lichen
Boomkin
clever belfry
Bm
pulsar turtle
LOL
eternal sundial
Rasz on mage was fun tho sheesh
clever belfry
is most braindead shit
oblique trail
every BM player I've ever seen
AD + Jump spams
because they have nothing else to do
and can do it
eternal sundial
As you should
fading bane
a boss like Nelth is definetly way harder as ranged in the first 2 phases
clever belfry
ngl when im on my hunter
i have no clue whats happening around me
im in the zone just blasting
rigid stirrup
I disliked it because I just had to wait 100 pulls for ranged to do it right...
at least you werent playing rostermaina for half of that prog 🙃
fading bane
because of the bombs
rotund steppe
man every hunter player i see are so braindead
meager void
@humble plover please tell Vel about this. The one time Skyhold agrees is with BM hunter being braindead.
meager void
guys, its like solving the middle east
rotund steppe
like they cant chew a gum and wallk at the same time
clever belfry
<:anda:1168904285136879647>
:(
oblique trail
x
clever belfry
it hurts a bit every time
fading bane
clever belfry
3rd attempt
oblique trail
pulsar turtle
So if any of us warriors wanted to pick up a alt for keys and raid pushing in world top 50 guilds what class would most of you move to. Range or melee dps. and what melee.
chrome plover
I assume for strength etc on higher stat pieces?
yes exactly
rigid stirrup
range 
oblique trail
played melee basically 99% of the time I've played and it's very comfy for me
oblique trail
And yeah
summer quail
So if any of us warriors wanted to pick up a alt for keys and raid pushing in wo...
enhance
pulsar turtle
yeah see I want to learn rogue... but ive also heard its rough? idk
chrome plover
So if any of us warriors wanted to pick up a alt for keys and raid pushing in wo...
I'm top 200 rather than top 50 but my split character is survival lmao
fading bane
i used to think specs like Sub was the hardest in the game, cus i first played it when i was dog at the game
pearl lagoon
It’s not that difficult. Outlaw is pretty fun actually
summer quail
yeah see I want to learn rogue... but ive also heard its rough? idk
hekili for outlaw kinda owns, or atleast it used to. been a while since i tried yellow man
oblique trail
Outlaw is fun depending on how you look at it, but very very fast
fading bane
Roll the bones = cringe
pearl lagoon
The speed is what makes it fun for me
pulsar turtle
So yeah, Im now just stuck with Dh or Rogue to learn.. fck
oblique trail
Pretty sure it's the only spec that's sub 1 sec gcd or something innit
modest condor
hello fury?
pearl lagoon
Roll the bones = cringe
At least the outlaw T31 kinda helps fix this
fading bane
havnt read the set
exotic cradle
yes exactly
Great thank you, my warrior brain can work sometimes
pearl lagoon
havnt read the set
It’s something like roll the bones also extends one of your current buffs
oblique trail
tbf RTB isn't as bad anymore
pulsar turtle
Rogue seems just as spamming as fury. So if I do wanna play a spec thats not keyboard smashing wouldnt Dh be a break to a degree
oblique trail
haven't played DH that much on the 10.2 PTR, but it can be very spammy as well
pearl lagoon
I think only outlaw is the super spammy spec
pulsar turtle
Im also somewhat new to wow so my overall knowledge of invdividual classes is limited
pearl lagoon
The other two aren’t as crazy
clever belfry
Mage btw
eternal sundial
Bongzi is right tho
chrome plover
Rogue seems just as spamming as fury. So if I do wanna play a spec thats not key...
outlaw's main cd increases your haste by 50% or something ridiculous so it's super fast
rotund steppe
range is evil
pulsar turtle
yup, most games I've played is a lot harder than wow raiding top 50.
left perch
that’s most games
eternal sundial
Kinda
pulsar turtle
Imo on a competitive lvl
eternal sundial
Just make 4 diff warriors
clever belfry
real
eternal sundial
Idk
eternal sundial
It also makes u not learn new shit works in splits
clever belfry
(please dont make 4 mirrors unless ure in echo liquid or method)
plucky ice
wow raiding is mostly hoping 19 other players dont make mistakes lmao
oblique trail
I will do it now
left perch
mirrors I can do in PvP, but I get way too sad in PvP mirrors
rotund steppe
wow raiding is mostly hoping 19 other players dont make mistakes lmao
true lmao
left perch
“Oh wow it dropped on 2nd warrior fk me”
clever belfry
wow raiding is mostly hoping 19 other players dont make mistakes lmao
i mean depends on ur guild
theres only 1 out of the 20 who is the best in the guild
rotund steppe
raiding is hoping ur guilld has their brain conected
clever belfry
so for most people this also just straight up false
wild mural
I break all mirrors
wild mural
theres only 1 out of the 20 who is the best in the guild
It’s me
clever belfry
yeah dont wanna look at myself
eternal sundial
(please dont make 4 mirrors unless ure in echo liquid or method)
How many did u have in pieces
pulsar turtle
exactly, first tier I ever played was CN and legit couldnt understand how people dont know how to play fights like sludgefist or Council after like 10 pulls
clever belfry
How many did u have in pieces
none
i only played warr hunt boomi
and one lootbuddy alt
eternal sundial
Andapamp
oblique trail
exactly, first tier I ever played was CN and legit couldnt understand how people...
you'd be surprised how much brainrot some players can have
eternal sundial
Famed
oblique trail
and how long it takes for some to understand simple mechanics
eternal sundial
Famous
rotund steppe
exactly, first tier I ever played was CN and legit couldnt understand how people...
brainrot
clever belfry
famed grey avr denathrius ging
plucky ice
sometimes it feels like is the monitor even turned on
oblique trail
I've played up till WR 180~ at this point and it happens frequently at any WR I've been in
wild mural
Andapamp moment
plucky ice
pulsar turtle
@oblique trail Can I learn DH in a week for raiding? Lol
wild mural
Yes
humble plover
<@158965561596837888> please tell Vel about this. The one time Skyhold agrees is...
Yeah I'm definitely not gonna insult the class she likes playing
eternal sundial
Prolly
oblique trail
Idk current DH but sure
wild mural
You can learn any class in a week
fading bane
I've played up till WR 180~ at this point and it happens frequently at any WR I'...
bro ive been top 100+ since BoD and you get tons of apes like that
clever belfry
<@102464908976730112> Can I learn DH in a week for raiding? Lol
depends how good u are
pulsar turtle
Ehh i
oblique trail
You wont be omega giga at it most likely
eternal sundial
Classes arent the difficulty
oblique trail
But if oyu're competent you can for sure pull it off
rotund steppe
<@102464908976730112> Can I learn DH in a week for raiding? Lol
lmao give it 3 days
eternal sundial
Content is
pulsar turtle
Min maxing a class at a world lvl start of tier sounds a bit rough. Esp when theres people who have been on that class for years.
clever belfry
performing well on your class while doing mechs
is sometimes hard
like any mouthbreather can do a rot on dummy
eternal sundial
You might troll on momentum tho
oblique trail
bro ive been top 100+ since BoD and you get tons of apes like that
you love it
clever belfry
bolas
fading bane
i cant say we have any specimens atm
oblique trail
in new guild so idk yet
fading bane
but i havnt seen like 6 of them on prog so who knows
pearl lagoon
You gotta practice it enough you can stop looking at your buttons to do the rotation
Which can be hard to do in a week
left perch
washed
pulsar turtle
Okay, f it. Dh it is
clever belfry
im hungry
but im about to go to grandpas birthday so surely ill be fed to hell and back no
eternal sundial
Defo
dire badge
in new guild so idk yet
did the super bees die or just all go classic andy?
eternal sundial
Dick einen mampfen
oblique trail
did the super bees die or just all go classic andy?
they imploded after sark
couldn't recruit enough good players
oblique trail
I was a catalyst of the implosion
dire badge
eternal sundial
Tutel
clever belfry
yeah just app to my guild
oblique trail
still ur m8s or an actual human one
still my friends guild
clever belfry
i dont get to play brown here anyway
eternal sundial
Bongziwoya
clever belfry
chrome plover
eternal sundial
Spongiemen
oblique trail
yeah just app to my guild
I talked to spongie about it but I was told no chance at my funny classes..
eternal sundial
Insanity
clever belfry
xdd
oblique trail
at least brown I think
dire badge
something something multiple woyer ronin something
clever belfry
yeah if brown is any usable
dire badge
clever belfry
im on brown
eternal sundial
something something multiple woyer ronin something
REAL
clever belfry
cause im like pretty okay at it
oblique trail
;;;okayge
clever belfry
im worse on aug
zenith moat
oblique trail
Aug>anything
wcyd
imagine being a deva main
and knowing no matter what you do
you wont contribute anywhere close to as much as aug does
warm crag
very powerful green man
clever belfry
tbh
warm crag
good day
clever belfry
just boring piss spec i dont wanna do resesarch
i did not have a lock in 100 on warr this tier, but on aug i did
gg
chrome plover
we have 2 warriors in each split
rotund steppe
lets get into factorio a day b4 patch whats the worst thing that could happen
clever belfry
wtf
regal falcon
For crafted gear going into tomorrow what's looking like the best option atm? Allied bracers or stick with shadowflame?
clever belfry
ur guild needs god chawie
warm crag
lets get into factorio a day b4 patch whats the worst thing that could happen <:...
get into space exploration aswell
pallid herald
Yo did echo transfer to NA or just playing in Minnesota
warm crag
if I apply can I paly brown man in raid
you'll have to fight anda over it
clever belfry
no
clever belfry
Anda we will fight to death
u know ill win
clever belfry
i am the warrior feelycrafter #1
oblique trail
u know ill win
no matter if you win or lose, you'll be stuck on
so it's auto win for me
dire badge
warm crag
play the modpacks first then watch
eternal sundial
Depends
warm crag
no it doesnt depend
eternal sundial
Id say watch some dosh modded and go into diff mods
sleek zenith
got a question i have 2 450 weapons in my bags but i have the 441 ashkandir from echo sim says 450+ashkandir is best but isnt primary stat better then the couple hundred k damage i get from echo weapon in a fight?
edgy widget
depends on how much primary stat vs how much couple hundred k
that's why there's a sim
sinful hawk
Does the Sim also assume humanoid?
sinful hawk
gotcha
fading bane
sim doesnt no
sinful hawk
so ashkandi be pumpies
sinful hawk
thats really good
wet wraith
What difficulty are y'all's guilds starting on for raid?
edgy widget
Does the Sim also assume humanoid?
it can but not by default no, or else it would unrealistically inflate results
sinful hawk
dawn pivot
is this the only build I need for raid?
edgy widget
You may want to cleave things at some point, but otherwise... more or less, yeah
sinful hawk
Is this true for both t30 and t31?
broken iris
t31 2piece onwards
sinful hawk
ok
still sinew
is there a benefiit to 1H over 2h Dual Weild? Stupid tree dropped me a 1Her versus a 2her to upgrade to 463
silent burrow
No benefit, cause they give less gold when you vendor them even
edgy widget
is there a benefiit to 1H over 2h Dual Weild? Stupid tree dropped me a 1Her vers...
always be arms spec
silent burrow
loot spec
edgy widget
that too
high basin
is raidbots updated with the Cataclysmic Signet Brand nerf?
dawn pivot
You may want to cleave things at some point, but otherwise... more or less, yeah
is the raid more ST?
edgy widget
it's a mix
sly bobcat
Like 2 bosses are pure ST off the top of my head
edgy widget
I think 3 actually, a couple 2 target, and the rest varied aoe
sly bobcat
Everything else has passive adds or 2 target
compact knot
its more aoe then aberus
dawn pivot
so why no whirlwind talents suggested?
edgy widget
actually 4, Nymue is technically 2 target, but you can't cleave them
edgy widget
so why no whirlwind talents suggested?
because then it wouldn't be a Single Target build...
which is why there are multiple builds
dawn pivot
I see only 2
edgy widget
Well I don't know what you're looking at
olive wraith
Simply play arms
sly bobcat
Aberussy 
compact knot
Aberussy <:blizzdesign:745704462613741648>
it was habit that i typed that ngl
edgy widget
Is that supposed to be less concerning? Because it's not
dawn pivot
Simply play arms
why
dawn pivot
what legs
olive wraith
Dn
olive wraith
dawn pivot
hmm
olive wraith
Nah jk. Fury has better st this tier I think
heady saffron
unless you want 5% ms in old content
at that point you just farm strath till you get the movespeed swords
olive wraith
Maybe the ads can just be cleaned down with filler we and of
compact knot
@dawn pivot what are you looking at, wowhead has 3 t31 talent pages
oblique trail
at that point you just farm strath till you get the movespeed swords
the sword gives you like 30 speed now
heady saffron
oh? :(
heady saffron
oh yah they fucked up the % speed on kill food buff too :(
heady saffron
dark flower
Archi have the sims been updated post trinket changes?
regal falcon
is it worth using the catalyst as soon as you can garauntee 2p or wait until you can garauntee 4p?
fading bane
wait for 4pc
compact knot
lul
fading bane
Arms should be correct
its like same strength as current tier
but i dont get how the fury tier is so low
for me its way higher
willow cradle
for me its way higher
Same
oblique trail
idk but this is a cooked sheet
fading bane
numbers are similar to the other sheet
oblique trail
The one I looked at has been privated for w/e reason
ember apex
ah damn
oblique trail
ye
ember apex
can someone give me like a 2sentence explainer on bloodcraze
compact knot
what keys yall going to be spamming, im thinking throne/atal/2nd part of mega dungeon
compact knot
can someone give me like a 2sentence explainer on bloodcraze
press bloodthirst, chance to make the one after do more damage
compact knot
so pretty much the ones i said
ember apex
press bloodthirst, chance to make the one after do more damage
ok so what happens after it does more damage
reset?
compact knot
yes
compact knot
they unfucked bloodcraze so im happy
compact knot
it use to get consumed by rampage LUL
ember apex
so that makes more sense
oh poggers
so they removed a talent breaking bug thats good
now if they could just make us the best dps in the entire game that'd be great
what does aug's tier set do
they're on our token they've got to be last prio besides mistweaver/prot no
and brewmaster
compact knot
i think the 2p makes every 3rd prescience last 100% longer
river reef
ember apex
this may be a first
compact knot
ofc
fading bane
i think we get before rogues
compact knot
outlaw is the best rogue spec
young swan
they're on our token they've got to be last prio besides mistweaver/prot no
aug only needs 2 set and sub rogue is the only better spec for 4 set so 2nd or 3rd prio
fading bane
cus i dont think sub is go to
dusky smelt
Hello, do you mind sharing where you got this screen from if possible?
fading bane
aug only needs 2 set and sub rogue is the only better spec for 4 set so 2nd or 3...
2 set is free tho
ember apex
aug only needs 2 set and sub rogue is the only better spec for 4 set so 2nd or 3...
yeah that's what ppl have been saying. that's kinda hype. ive been last/close to last for tier all of DF
so this is a nice change
young swan
2 set is free tho
I had no idea!
fading bane
Good!
ember apex
btw for google docs i recommend opening in private/incognito b/c google will autodoxx u
compact knot
que?
ember apex
if u have a logged in google session on ur browser (gmail/youtube/etc...) when u click on a google doc. it will show u signed in on top right
compact knot
it shows you as anonymous (random animal)
ember apex
if u open in private/incognito it shows "Anonymous Badger" or some other random animal
yeah
strange pivot
river reef
it shows you as anonymous (random animal)
(random warlock) 
ember apex
i have a unique name so i care
oblique trail
for me its way higher
I have hacked the system, 2p+2p is a gain for me now and not a neutral change
finite tendon
I stay aotc by doxxing myself first
compact knot
I have hacked the system, 2p+2p is a gain for me now and not a neutral change
change to nightly
oblique trail
it is nightly
ember apex
if my name was john smith or some other common combo i wouldnt care
dusky smelt
its private now
Sorry to tag you specifically, multiple people were talking about the other sheet (aka mine) being private so just going to answer this in general. The SS above is not connected to my sheet, first time seeing it. My sheet was made private because all the traffic on it made the scripts not function because of overload so I have the share the published version and restrict access to the actual sheet. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vR2mvnqtoXNlUoL-WvrwYdXfzAVULMSx82oKrGCj4z6XhEabUl8EtqoFLnAD4q4bNUTgE8tVP0-oJ9W/pubhtml you can find it here
fading bane
winter shoal
I have hacked the system, 2p+2p is a gain for me now and not a neutral change
Is this with changed secondaries from t30->2p2p?
compact knot
whats ur ilvl
oblique trail
like 446
winter shoal
Sorry to tag you specifically, multiple people were talking about the other shee...
ty gamer
compact knot
talents im a idiot
oblique trail
Is this with changed secondaries from t30->2p2p?
no it's just the strict set to set comparison
fading bane
Sorry to tag you specifically, multiple people were talking about the other shee...
Cheers
winter shoal
no it's just the strict set to set comparison
So in reality 2p2p should be a bit higher (but still below arms in sims :xdd:)
clever path
they unfucked bloodcraze so im happy
are the stacks still consumed by BT crit?
compact knot
yeah
dusky smelt
There were pretty weird things in the official pushed profiles like 444 OCE instead of a 447 and such
winter shoal
There were pretty weird things in the official pushed profiles like 444 OCE inst...
In the t30 simc profiles? Haven't those been locked in for like ages
dusky smelt
In the t30 simc profiles? Haven't those been locked in for like ages
Erm, yeah
oblique trail
but I guess no one ever looked
winter shoal
dusky smelt
fading bane
Sub 4pc is down to 5.5%. smoke em
dusky smelt
also t31 still using sporecloak so that will be changed as well
compact knot
sporecloak 
modest condor
There were pretty weird things in the official pushed profiles like 444 OCE inst...
not that weird considering the profile was made at the start of the patch and 447 oce didnt become available until halfway in
meager void
I can almost feel the smackdown coming from silm.. too late its here
modest condor
:woo:
compact knot
no nitro
ember apex
compact knot
huh
dusky smelt
not that weird considering the profile was made at the start of the patch and 44...
Weird as in for now weird, the profile was obviously made at the start of this tier yes
ember apex
fury unironically top tier prio
dusky smelt
Hence why I had to touch it and update it a bit
fading bane
Appreciate the work btw
dusky smelt
ember apex
wassup w/ firemage sims
fading bane
Its currently a work in progress with updating profiles etc. Im sure it will be updated once raid is out
covert void
so are you guys going arms for raid at first i take it? then switching to fury at t31
heady saffron
going...arms? 
dusky smelt
wassup w/ firemage sims
they are mostly doing apl and profile stuff, there's people working on it but afaik the main guy is an analyst for bdg so they've been occupied with that mainly (I believe)
fading bane
There are definetly fury fights and arms fights this tier
compact knot
fyrakk is really good for arms
fading bane
from the sounds of it yeah
compact knot
alot of the aoe fights are good for fury, gnarlroot/tindral
compact knot
wrong
fading bane
On ST both specs are probably even or very close
ember apex
they are mostly doing apl and profile stuff, there's people working on it but af...
roger that. ty
fading bane
but ill prob play Fury for every single ST fight because its just tankier
compact knot
ST arms is ahead by about 10k as of right now
fading bane
yes without t31
compact knot
ofc
fading bane
but fury should get tier first, so that wont last long
meager void
furry all the way
fading bane
Gnarl - Fury
Igira - Fury (barely)
Volcoross - Either
Council - Arms
Larodar - Fury
Nymue - Either
Smolderon - Either
Tindral - Fury (barely)
Fyrakk - Arms
My guess for the better spec for each fight
meager void
ew arms
covert void
Something like this is good, as not really looked into raid stuff yet, ty.
fading bane
im unsure about Igira if it has AoE or not
fading bane
Really good
young swan
not great
fading bane
many OF casts
errant vessel
Is it % increase or decrease?
fading bane
makes you have OF more frequently for AoE spawns
young swan
pretty bad relative to last tier but a lot of that is also down to the swap from am/rav to anni
fading bane
When you put the entire talent swaps into the equation, then ye its not that amazing
young swan
just the tier is prob equal id say
fading bane
but for example for Igira, having OF for add spawns is really nice dmg
peak lagoon
new fury tier is gonna have the worst cleave fury has ever had
cleaving BTs just isnt that great
errant vessel
How are we doing comparatively to other specs in m+?
olive wraith
Well bts cleaning aren’t horrible
errant vessel
Because it only really matters if we’re doing relatively shit compared to everyone else
olive wraith
It’s the fact that the boosted bb from tier don’t cleave the 150% dmg
fading bane
that is cringe af
heady saffron
oof
errant vessel
Should at least make it guaranteed crit
I understand the lack of 150% bt dmg on every target though
torn acorn
best item to craft with first spark? 
fading bane
Wrists
viral maple
best item to craft with first spark? <:seramore:917663298869145640>
A new character on a different class 
errant vessel
As having the ability to bress can’t be understated with pugs
clever belfry
im dooming quite hard on fury
dooming anyway.
errant vessel
Arms is clunky
peak lagoon
fury just doesnt have a lot going for it outside of patchwerk ST sims and burst aoe
fading bane
they really should make the tier work with cleave
fading bane
even if they nerf it a bit
oblique trail
ngl just kinda assumed it did
peak lagoon
and itd be fine
oblique trail
and that the wording was a bit weird
errant vessel
Wait you guys didn’t know until now?
peak lagoon
id rate 10.0 RA fury above the new one if its for M+
thats how bad i think it is
but atleast new fury has more ST for raid compared to 10.0 ra fury
errant vessel
I thought everyone knew but were like “We’re still doing good”
oblique trail
more st for fury
ember apex
fury cleave is going to be terrible b/c a bunch of our talents are buffing AutoAttacks but AutoAttacks dont FUCKING CLEAVE
peak lagoon
nah its just that the tierset for some reason doesnt interact with cleaving
and that even with the cdr on the tier its not enough cdr to be consistent enough
imo
for m+
fading bane
i assume BT crits on cleaved targets also doenst give CDR
young swan
correct
peak lagoon
thatd be crazy
fading bane
true
young swan
but each target crit can count towards the cdr
peak lagoon
just up the cdr a bit and make it properly cleave
and itll be fine
but currently
id say arms is better in M+
tulip quest
don't say that
young swan
so in aoe you're pretty much guaranteed to get the lowest cd on OF possible
viral maple
Guess that’s why he’s named arms propagandist
peak lagoon
doesnt matterthat its a bit less tanky
furies new dps profile is just ass for high end
aware
ember apex
getting to play AM for ST raid and M+ was so good. it's like we didnt appreciate how good we had it. so now we're being punished and forced to play RA for optimal ST DPS
oblique trail
AM is a plague
ember apex
AM is literally BiS gameplay
young swan
its not
heady saffron
time to reroll shadow priest
oblique trail
no AM is fucking trash
heady saffron
errant vessel
AM is good
ember apex
why is AM RNG
errant vessel
Unbridled Ferocity is dogshit
ember apex
and why is RNG even bad
young swan
ehh AM is rather consistent
oh oops u got mechanic get fucked
errant vessel
Just make it deterministic
ember apex
that's any non-ranged melee spec
fading bane
RA enjoyer
errant vessel
Reck every 4 Rampages
young swan
when was the last time in this expansion that a mechanic majorly fcks your dps o...
any ST fight this tier
peak lagoon
all fights are like 100% uptime
with or without mechanics
unless you play giga safe
oblique trail
RNG isn't inherently bad, but AM is bad because it made your damage profile completely flat since you had such a high uptime of Reck, and it's only saving grace was that it was good for M+ because of more frequent CDs
young swan
where your dps is entirely dependent on having 90%+ uptime on reck
oblique trail
But it feels terrible to play with when you go from near 100% uptime of Reck to have bouts of shit ass RNG and no Reck at all and you're incredibly anemic
errant vessel
where your dps is entirely dependent on having 90%+ uptime on reck
That is an Unbridled Ferocity issue though
ember apex
RNG isn't inherently bad, but AM is bad because it made your damage profile comp...
That's exactly why it was good
errant vessel
Not AM
ember apex
it was a consistent performer
oblique trail
That is an Unbridled Ferocity issue though
It's both
They both contribute to that uptime
peak lagoon
i think you are talking more about the feel of it
ember apex
whats better a player that scores 1-2 goals every night or one that scores 15 goals every 10 games
peak lagoon
high uptime reck fury was one of the most consistent and least variance specs there was
ember apex
consistency - for me - is always better
yeah
and we didnt appreciate it
and now we're being punished
oblique trail
A lot of people appreciated it
ember apex
but if u go back to my soccer/hockey analogy or whatever
peak lagoon
think its gonna be an arms tier ngl, since gearing for both arms and fury is giga cursed
ember apex
u want consistency
peak lagoon
and you defo want to be arms for last boss for sure
fading bane
think its gonna be an arms tier ngl, since gearing for both arms and fury is gig...
if they both do the same ST dmg, ill just play Fury on every ST fight tho
cus its just tankier
ember apex
last boss i went arms for was slyvanas
it was just not even a choice
if u played fury u were trolling
peak lagoon
bro thinks warrior tankiness matters
fury and arms are almost the same
and if you flop that isnt a warrior issue
ealers
fading bane
If they both do same dmg, and one is tankier. why would u not play the tankier one
peak lagoon
😠
fading bane
i definetly feel way more squishy as arms on sarka than fury
ember apex
Arms can literally taunt the boss and pop their defensive and basically be immune for like 6 seconds
fading bane
how is that relevant
oblique trail
non-factor
fading bane
in a raid setting
peak lagoon
bro aint no one doing that
unkempt stone
are there any WAs recomendded? Tryin to learn to play better lol
oblique trail
are there any WAs recomendded? Tryin to learn to play better lol
WA packs that track your abilities/rage
peak lagoon
only time that happend is when tanks fucked up nelth debuff or something
fading bane
Fury has higher hp pool, more self healing and ER that has bonus healing on BT
oblique trail
That's the bare minimum of recommended WAs really
fading bane
Arms has IP
ember apex
they dont even press IP anymore
young swan
That is an Unbridled Ferocity issue though
I promise its not exclusive to UF
unkempt stone
ive never used em so thats why i ask lol
fading bane
cus its a defensive
oblique trail
Dungeon WAs help, interrupt WAs for more coordinated interrupts in keys
ember apex
they're just perma maxxed on rage tho now right?
fading bane
yes
ember apex
so like u press it and it doesnt even matter
oblique trail
Raid WAs as well ofc if you're a raider
oblique trail
But generally you don't "need" a lot of WAs outside of those mentioned
ember apex
its like driving a V12 supercar in dubai. gas is fucken free so who cares
oblique trail
It's average Carlo moment
peak lagoon
i do say there is a lot of rot dmg in the new raid and fury does feel better against rot dmg
ember apex
my RL pulled up logs
peak lagoon
but i dont think its gonna matter
fading bane
river reef
bro forget that IP's primary use was a defensive
IP icould be a dps global therefor healer issue
oblique trail
IP icould be a dps global therefor healer issue <a:chatting:1036769769543704576>
IP is off the GCD
So unless you're bad it wont cost you DPS
river reef
of course I knew that
dire badge
peak lagoon
ehhh ive had moments were i was low on rage
ember apex
and then like a week later i realized he's spamming IP for rage dump
peak lagoon
and dmg was incoming
river reef
test passed Banezio
peak lagoon
aintnoway im gonna IP
river reef
peak lagoon
oblique trail
wow so happy for passing
oblique trail
aintnoway im gonna IP
Just SR innit and hope it's magic damage
peak lagoon
cant wait to totemswap in next tier
river reef
?
peak lagoon
arms doodoo dmg from totem before execute
but then totem in execute really good
do be what it do be
errant vessel
I promise its not exclusive to UF
No but the 90%+ part is
river reef
arms rework incoming
oblique trail
AoE being fine means Arms is?
peak lagoon
it means that if they can dump enough rage the spec feels more than fine
just up slam to 40
errant vessel
You can always get fucked by RNG on a boss no matter the spec (even though fury with AM gets fucked slightly harder)
oblique trail
Fury is fine as well then since the ST is good
errant vessel
But when you bring Unbridled Ferocity into the picture you basically get the entire explanation for our dps variance
peak lagoon
fading bane
it means that if they can dump enough rage the spec feels more than fine
Remove ToM and Arms is fixed
fading bane
remove tom double iftk
🤝
unkempt stone
does teh titania's fury WA thing help? it doesn say its for DF
tulip quest
this fury thread has a lot of talk of arms. Seems sus
peak lagoon
well the state of either spec indirectly influences the state of the other spec
so its relevant 🤓
oblique trail
does teh titania's fury WA thing help? it doesn say its for DF
Don't think it is, no. But Luxthos tends to be up to date
river reef
this fury thread has a lot of talk of arms. Seems sus
new here? fury discord has rarely talk about fury
tulip quest
I'm just teasing Yenny. I'm sorry
oblique trail
peak lagoon
you better be sorry
oblique trail
Just look through this
peak lagoon
😠
oblique trail
Most of the WA packs are mostly up to date
I can't speak for the functionality of them all, so just try out the ones that appeal to you the most, good chance that they all have whatever you'd need from a full pack
unkempt stone
i just gotta get use to the rotation and how fast it is lol. Bout the only thing i know to do is hit Rampage anytime i can
half valve
so its relevant 🤓
This
proud vessel
are you guys happy with fury season 3?
tacit crag
are you guys happy with fury season 3?
The last hour of chatting says no
I am happy though.
oblique trail
reserving my judgment till I've actually played it for a while
On paper I'm not unhappy with it
dapper goblet
👨🦼
fading bane
👨🦽
warm bane
Are we getting tweaked tomorrow? Or can I run my sims now for raid loot
spiral night
No tweaks
viral maple
The last hour of chatting says no
meager gyro
Are we getting tweaked tomorrow? Or can I run my sims now for raid loot
if you are waiting for reset, the maintenance gonna be long again
clever path
so the newest google sheet shows that old 4P and 2P/2P are very close in damage, is that looking at the same ilvl for both?
modest condor
it's not actually swapping tier pieces, it's just using the same gear but turning on/off the tier bonusses
there's a line in sims for that
so it's literally just comparing tiersets with the same stats
as with everything
slim coral
Can’t believe Scripe actually moved echo to NA he talked about it on stream but to actually do it is one thing
oblique trail
will be a funny meme if echo loses
radiant plank
oblique trail
the 1 day advantage argument will destroy the echo fans
oblique trail
it is but some fans live by it
sinful hawk
i thought it was purely for heroic practice not on mains
oblique trail
might be just that
modest condor
it is definitely just for tomorrow
clever path
so it's literally just comparing tiersets with the same stats
does this the same talent build or the corresponding talent build associated with each tier set?
modest condor
it's using the talent build that sims best with the tierset it has equipped
"equipped"
clever path
it's using the talent build that sims best with the tierset it has equipped
ok, basically means the 2P swap is nearly pointless aside from getting used to the new build
modest condor
yes pretty much
which is why i've been telling people to hold on to their omni token and catalyst charge until they loot 2p naturally
because it's barely a dps increase anyway, and it gives you the possibility of looting duplicates if you dont
clever path
are you gonna grab any tier drops from bosses or just wait for first vault pick?
modest condor
im gonna roll on any tierpiece that drops ofcourse
clever path
I'm gonna use the tier set on the vault pick cause it'll be max ilvl ofc
fading sky
it means that if they can dump enough rage the spec feels more than fine
i really hate that i agree with you yenny, arms just needs a decent spender to feel good to play, could still use a minor rework of tree and some movement of talents, but playstile simply lacks a good spender