fury

[unreal onyx]

as of currently, vers bracers + SF patch on cloak is the play

[heady saffron]

bit of a mess atm

[heady saffron]

hmm aight good to know

[unreal onyx]

puzzybox

[heady saffron]

[modest condor]

puzzy b

[primal plover]

Hey guys I could use some help / clarification im running some sims for aoe trying to get an idea of how M+ will shape up comparing arms vs fury.

I have copied the profile from simc with bis gear then swapped the talent string to aoe etc but having a look at prios etc and some guides blah blah blah.

Why is haste so low favoured in raid but so high favoured in M+? My understanding was once you hit a certain sweet spot whereby the gcd syncs nicely with the ICD of bloodthirst thats where it begins to taper off but why does that not seem to be the case in M+ / AOE environ?

[merry cloak]

is it something u would already craft or nah?

[unreal onyx]

I'd hold up with crafting

[modest condor]

My understanding was once you hit a certain sweet spot whereby the gcd syncs nicely with the ICD of bloodthirst
that's not how anything works

the cooldown of bloodthirst always lines up with the gcd

except when you go over 100% haste

[unreal onyx]

blizz might do some tweaks to embellishments last second before raid

so I'll just craft if stuff is fix (for now)

[gilded pawn]

Wake up babe new haste breakpoint dropped

[modest condor]

this isnt even the first time i've seen this kind of reasoning today

it's like people think haste only affects the cooldown and not the gcd or something

[gilded pawn]

Was that the case in boomer days

[modest condor]

no clue, it's been like this since i came back to the game

[primal plover]

i know haste effects gcd as well but i didnt think the internal cd of BT was always synced and moved at the same rate of haste effecting gcd as well

[modest condor]

everything that scales with haste scales at the same rate

[gilded pawn]

“Your bleeds tick an additional time equal to your haste”

Bam

Wait didn’t they give that to outlaw

For attack speed

[primal plover]

thanks for the clarity then i guess i apologise i have ruined your evening

[modest condor]

my disappointment has been immeasurable and my day is ruined

[silk wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/brooklyn99-captainholt-disappointed-gif-11495788

[pearl cradle]

are we expecting changes today? or am i misinformed by my friends lol

[fast mural]

why would thre be changes today?

[gilded pawn]

Todays a Friday my dude

[unreal onyx]

nah, it's saturday already

[slim coral]

so hyped for Tuesday

[sly fulcrum]

which warrior is good for first week on m+ and raid?

[mossy fox]

revvez

[sullen dove]

grom

[slim coral]

Rafkar

[primal plover]

Ragnarok

[primal plover]

okay we established i suck butthole.....now why does haste value go up in M+ / aoe over ST?

[modest condor]

no idea, i havent thought much about aoe, but i can say that the aoe apl hasnt been optimized nearly as much as the st one

also what kind of aoe are you simming?

multitarget patchwerk, hectic add cleave, dungeon slice

because the latter 2 both have breakpoints where you get cds at a more favourable time

[primal plover]

i have done patchwerk multi target and 2 3 and 5m and dungeon slice

[modest condor]

like haste affects the cdr of odyns fury

so imagine you're at 20% haste and your cooldowns get dropped on a 3 target pack, or you have 25% haste and that cast gets dropped on a 5 target pack instead

[primal plover]

yea that makes sense alright

[modest condor]

[chrome plover]

https://www.bluetracker.gg/wow/topic/eu-en/476231-class-tuning-incoming-15-november/

phew no warrior nerfs

augmentation in the bin

[fringe vale]

[fringe vale]

[sullen dove]

[high basin]

[distant niche]

Aren’t augs only useful for keeping tank alive not the dps gain in keys tho??

[meager gyro]

when they gonna realize aug won't be non-meta until they nerf it into negative dmg contribution

ret buff, now I gotta make 5 ret pallys 🧌

[weak tartan]

Aug nerfs are enough?

[nova atlas]

hard to tell how much you should nerf a support spec when its the only support spec

[unreal onyx]

[pearl cradle]

hi guys so im looking to craft my first 463 which is companion bracers should i wait or should i just go for it i just came back so i donth ave anny crafted stuff

[silk wharf]

Dont waste your spark on bracers

imo

[unreal onyx]

wait till next reset in case blizz pulls some last minute changes

how is that a waste?

[weak tartan]

if a dps does more contribution in terms of damage then aug thats enough

tanks will contribute in that damage too

[silk wharf]

Its quite a bit worse than a higher statted item

[weak tartan]

we need an aug expert to tell surely

[silk wharf]

boots/belt, off tier helm/chest/legs

[unreal onyx]

he means the embell bracers

[silk wharf]

yes

[dark thunder]

Hey guys, can anyone share me the new talentos for season 3?

[pearl cradle]

oh so the embelishment bracers are not bis?

[unreal onyx]

so far they are

[silk wharf]

A higher statted item with shadowflame will crush bracers

[small osprey]

if u are comparing with 448 gear maybe

[silk wharf]

boots is like 2.5k and I think chest or something is 4~

[small osprey]

thats not how new seasons work

[unreal onyx]

so far ideally you want SFP on cloak, if you played fury last tier you still have 2x sfp on diff items

so you need replacements for those first

[silk wharf]

I encourage you to do your own sims. afaik right now our bis includes a shadowlfmae anyway

[unreal onyx]

im waiting either way, I only have everything at 447

[silk wharf]

So you would want to slam that

Also new bracers wont have a socket

so -500 dps

[modest condor]

yeah i wouldnt craft bracers this early

at best they're a tiny increase over shadowflame, you're losing a socket, and they have a tiny stat budget

[pearl cradle]

what would you recommend crafting then?

[modest condor]

not sure tbh

[rigid stirrup]

bruh im fried and dont understand why I can't get these bracers recrafted w the spark

wait i'm dumb

[unreal onyx]

do you have the crests

does OF do fire dmg?

[silk wharf]

i dont think so

[compact knot]

no it doesnt

physical

[silk wharf]

I think it does a bleed

[dense elbow]

OF is sadly physical

[compact knot]

its physical and then applys a bleed

[unreal onyx]

bc that neck sounds pretty good

[pearl cradle]

uh i dont understand shadowflame-tempered armor patch you put it on another crafted item ?

can you put it on any item?

[unreal onyx]

on armor

[silk wharf]

Any crafted armor

[unreal onyx]

no ring/neck/weap

[compact knot]

i really doubt they will nerf the bracers

[pearl cradle]

i think this is my play ill craft one crafted and put shadowflame instead of bracers i dont know what slot though lol

[unreal onyx]

BiS list has sfpatch on cloak

[distant niche]

There’s no way they’d nerf bracers

[compact knot]

bracers perform 2nd best in single target (not far behind shadowflame) and are super versatile

very good in mt too

[pearl cradle]

uhh im torn again between shadowflame and bracers lol

[distant niche]

I already crafted sfpatch on cloak cause I am a chad

[glad coyote]

id do bracers for m+ and sf for raid

[compact knot]

1 bracer 1 shadowflame is what im wanting to do

[glad coyote]

or just sim

[pearl cradle]

yeah ill do that too but i just came back and can crat only 1

[glad coyote]

i mean yall crazy for crafting this early

[covert void]

this lol

[glad coyote]

craft a 2hander

[compact knot]

you shouldnt be craft yet

buy mats an wait

[silk wharf]

im also not going to use my second spark on bracers. but thats jjust me

[pearl cradle]

im waiting when the rwf guys are playing gigachad warriors will be my guide

[unreal onyx]

crafting a weap is like the worst idea rn

you can replace that next week from m+ instantly

[compact knot]

^

[unreal onyx]

and then you have a wasted spark

2 even

[compact knot]

bracers 100% first craft

[unreal onyx]

I'll just wait and see what people go for

[rigid stirrup]

yeah I just did the bracers to 464 so I can just get that out of the way

463**

[compact knot]

idk abt crafting rn ngl

[unreal onyx]

rn im

[compact knot]

no reason too

[covert void]

I just don't understand why it's worth the risk for like 0 gain atm

[unreal onyx]

im coolin until next week

[silk wharf]

You are just leaving dps on the table slamming wrists early.

[compact knot]

^

[rigid stirrup]

bet

[compact knot]

well maybe, its likely its the best craft

[warm crag]

17 paragraphs

[compact knot]

1 page half dev notes

[rigid stirrup]

if I lost the gamble then I lost

[unreal onyx]

0 reason to even take the risk

[compact knot]

risk for no reward gigachad

[rigid stirrup]

yeah p much

[silk wharf]

Also, I get considerably better results from double shadow still. Its possible the shadow nerf isnt live on raidbots but I doubt that.

[compact knot]

vers will start to scale alot better

[modest condor]

it should be

it's just that stats get batter when your overall gear is better

[unreal onyx]

maybe bracers just better sync with new tier + build idk

[glad coyote]

to early to craft

[unreal onyx]

but sfp just procs and that's it

[modest condor]

when you get 1% stats on 140k dps that's 1.4k, when you get 1% on 240k dps that's 2.4k

[unreal onyx]

so build/tier doesn't really matter

[modest condor]

whereas shadowflame just always does x

[silk wharf]

Im not comapring near bis gear sets. we were talking about spending our first/second sparks

[compact knot]

gear is going to be super easy still

[rigid stirrup]

well we're at the "just get raw ilvl" stage

[compact knot]

2 weeks and im 490 ilvl ong

m+ is broken farm

[modest condor]

you wont even have enough crests for that

[compact knot]

ofc

[dark thunder]

Can anyone share me the talents for s3 ?

[rigid stirrup]

[dark thunder]

Where?

[glad coyote]

they dont change until you get your 4pc

so check back in like 4 weeks

[celest hearth]

I was told 2 pc, that ain't true then

[glad coyote]

thought it was said somewhere we wouldnt change until 4 pc but i could be wrong

either way 2 or 4 weeks

[obtuse palm]

It's 2pc

[covert blaze]

it's 2pc

and you can get 2pc week 1 pretty easily

[glad coyote]

if you raid

[celest hearth]

Ya Burst 1.6k rating and CAT

[covert blaze]

yeah playing the game more gives you more chances at tier

that is correct

[jovial light]

You get 2pc regardless on week 1 even if you dont raid

[fading bane]

Very good assesment good sir

[modest condor]

dont spend your guaranteed tier pieces in week 1

2p2p is a minor dps increase, and you're better off waiting for 2p naturally and then spend them to finish off your 4p

[fading bane]

Dont spend them until you can get 4pc ye

[slim coral]

you guys don't have your 10.2 4pc yet?

[jovial light]

Yeh ofcourse, just saying you get the 2pc on week one

[modest condor]

imagine buying a helm and a chest and then you naturally loot a chest

[fading bane]

Only gain from 2pc is the ilvl gain

[covert blaze]

you can naturally loot week 1 too

[modest condor]

yeah and you can also not

[jovial light]

Bro just loot 4pc week 1

[rotund steppe]

me_irl

[covert blaze]

but yeah saving omnitoken is probably ideal

[jovial light]

Imagine not looting 4pc week 1, sounds like a skill issue to me

[slim coral]

just get fed your tier set

[modest condor]

also doubt many people will get their omni token week 1

[fading bane]

Do we know how many curios drop in 30 manraid?

[modest condor]

heroic is probably gonna be way too hard with the ilvl jump being 39

[fading bane]

Did it get affected by tier drop nerf

[warm crag]

link the 30% gain spreadsheet and misinform your raidlead and troll your entire prog as the actual good zenith classes dont get their tier

[covert blaze]

ksm probably easier to do come week 2

[rigid stirrup]

Just be only warrior in your raid 🤔

ez 4pc week 1

[jovial light]

As a m+ / pvp player I dont even have the option to clear HC on week 1 unless I find some decent pug

[glad coyote]

same

[modest condor]

fury tierset is still one of the biggest increases even with the real 4p -> 4p numbers

[covert blaze]

yeah evoker and rogue suck rn

[modest condor]

i think sub is the only spec on zenith with a bigger increase

[fading bane]

2k score = tier piece

Iirc

[warm crag]

really? looked shit to me when i ran the 4p 2p2p sims but i might be el stupido

[fading bane]

Ppl wont play it anyway

[modest condor]

most specs barely even get a noticable dps increase between tiers

[warm crag]

do u have sims on hand?

[jovial light]

I know, and also 1.6k shuffle = tier piece @fading bane but im talking about 4pc week 1

[modest condor]

a 5% increase is huge

[covert blaze]

you're not gonna clear heroic week 1 on a pug

[modest condor]

the same sheet that has the misleading 30% does have an accurate 4p -> 4p

[fading bane]

Its misleading to just look st 0pc to 4pc

Why wouls u look at it

When no one goes from 0pc

[willow hazel]

Am only warrior and the GM/RL. Feels good man

[modest condor]

[warm crag]

can some1 link that sheet please

nvm fury set actually not bad

i will not be playing fury due to personal reasons

[slim coral]

And then carry the raid

[jovial light]

@covert blaze I know, there used to be a time it was ez but i've lost all friends

[fading bane]

My last sim showed new 4pc as 9% gain over current 4pc

[warm crag]

i dont think you will be doing any carrying while yellow men are the main characters

[jovial light]

Yeh as long as sub excists in the current state no one wants us

[fading bane]

Ill get 4pc week 1

Trust

And a bit cope

[modest condor]

hell yeah

[olive wraith]

wtf they buffed feral?

[jovial light]

Man doing keys this week with the purple and yellow classes feels like a kick in the nuts, the fucking damage they do

[next canopy]

Can anyone confirm what is happening key wise for m+ next week. Do i have to do a key this week? or if I have a 26 from vault it'll drop 11 ilevels for next week to 15?

[jovial light]

you have to do a key and it is -11

[olive wraith]

Oh nvm

[next canopy]

oh damn

ty

[fading bane]

-12 if not timed

[wanton mirage]

is that Aug nerf any significant?

[fading bane]

Ive heard 10%

[jovial light]

Imagine thinking aug can be nerfed

[fading bane]

Dunno how accurate

[young swan]

been hearing 8-9 in raid and 9-10 in keys

[fading bane]

Good

[young swan]

fuck aug!

get your mayo away from me!

[warm crag]

#fightback

[modest condor]

[rotund steppe]

[jovial light]

I agree with that statement, fuck aug

[bronze trench]

when can we break the T30 4pc and start spamming bloodthirst again like the good lord intended?

[next canopy]

In surprised m+ so dead if you need a key timed for next week

[radiant egret]

whats the best lvling method rn?

[analog plinth]

💳

[jovial light]

@bronze trench 2pc

[bronze trench]

2pc t31, 2pc t30?

[misty relic]

@radiant egret timewalking when its available

[bronze trench]

figured

[jovial light]

Yes 2pc/2pc

[radiant egret]

better than dreamsurge?

[next canopy]

It’s true. I saw a DH open for big #s

I felt emasculated

[inner zinc]

out of curiosity, assuming i have all my sockets, would the Lariat be better atm than shadowflame?

[heady saffron]

what does the legendary axe even do? and is it obtainable in lfr/norm

[inner zinc]

i believe it will be obtainable in lfr/norm. And we dont know yet what the axe does

[heady saffron]

oh aight

[inner zinc]

or atleast it depends who you ask xD

[frosty karma]

solod some rare with 20million hp in emerald dream area, ill miss my 1200 leech rating when i have to replace it

[inner zinc]

seems like more pain than gains when you look at it >.>

[heady saffron]

hope its a personal drop and not a roll havent played in awhile so dont know how that all goes :s

[inner zinc]

same

[young swan]

they said it would have BLP from the start so one can only assume thats how it works

prob just gonna be push loot

[jovial light]

@next canopy I've seen dh's hit the 2m dps because of immo aura stacking, with the right amount of proccs and pack size that shit is absolutely crazy

[modest condor]

remember when they reduced all dps self healing going into shadowlands

[frosty karma]

yea

[covert void]

ret with the random damage buff when they're already good?

[clever belfry]

fury and havoc in bfa were rather silly tbf

[modest condor]

next patch fury has similar healing as 8.3 fury did

[slim coral]

My favorite patch

Ngl with ip gone Arms feels similar to 8.3 too

just without the spending

[willow hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/goodwill-hunting-pumped-healing-gif-20033454

[frosty karma]

just need 250% more haste

then it does

[glad coyote]

are we happy or angry that we havnt been touched coming into this patch

[next canopy]

Jesus

[clever belfry]

doesnt scale as well into multitarget tho

[rotund steppe]

i saw a rogue this morning in a 22 FH

it was doing 500k every pull

[willow hazel]

[rotund steppe]

pog

[nova garnet]

Real

[modest condor]

real

[rotund steppe]

real

[jovial light]

real

[graceful plinth]

real

[winged blade]

real

[heady saffron]

real

[willow hazel]

real

[marble bone]

real

[meager void]

real

[carmine vector]

Real

[sinful spoke]

real

[split crow]

is SMF good this patch even with legendary>

[rotund steppe]

SMF is never good

[nova garnet]

[thorny peak]

How does the new tier affect the rotation?

[compact knot]

does the new tier affect the trout population?

[winter shoal]

You play annihilator, so it's annihilator rotation. Our korean friend whose name I don't know made a video on PTR https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcaHVhtQnUk

[thorny peak]

@winter shoal ty man

[brittle crow]

next patch?

isnt that this patch

[modest condor]

yeah same thing

[thorny peak]

what is the weakwaura tracking bigbowwl?

[brittle crow]

🍤

[modest condor]

new raid isnt out so in my mind it's still previous patch

[brittle crow]

whys our healing so much more

[winter shoal]

I don't know what weakaura you're referring to, also I'm not the guy who made the video, also I don't speak Korean

[brittle crow]

just more bloodthirsting?

[winter shoal]

So idk

Probably t31 stacks

[autumn mica]

Bloodthirst & gushing wounds probably

@modest condor btw on a subject long time ago. On single target we use odyn's and then avatar to refresh odyn's fury dot or we wait for DB to expire?

[winter shoal]

Sim uses ava 4.5 seconds after OF

[autumn mica]

Fair enough. So we don't have to track DB then i assume

[brittle crow]

whats a db

[winter shoal]

dancing blades

[autumn mica]

Dancing blades

[hardy shuttle]

I think you just hit avatar when the OF avatar is about to fall off

[autumn mica]

Ye

So sims prio just the dot

[winter shoal]

I guess the extra dam from ava on your 3rd t31 buffed BB is worth over the extra uptime on db

Maybe only with spear though idk

[autumn mica]

Ye probably because of spear

It's good to know atleast

[modest condor]

you use avatar to keep avatar uptime

[winter shoal]

I'm a roar enjoyer so idk

[modest condor]

you can use it ~1 second before OF runs out without munching any OF dot

and yeah you ignore DB

losing avatar is a bigger loss than losing a couple of seconds of DB

[autumn mica]

Fair fair so ignore db

[rotund steppe]

i use the avatar to use the avatar

[heavy sparrow]

is fury or ret harder to play? Honest opinion as objective as possible.

I think fury

[winter shoal]

Fury is one of the easiest classes in the game

Except MAYBE BM hunter

[heavy sparrow]

Both are pretty easy, but i think fury takes a little more skill

Than ret

[brittle crow]

every class in this game is ez but fury is less ez because having lust apm for a whole raid night makes my hands tired

[delicate burrow]

what flask do we use for M+

[winter shoal]

I do think the t31 gameplay is slightly higher skill ceiling than t30 but both are basically "press the good button"

Ret at least has to worry about ES windows and HP income with DT and CS

[elder ridge]

Allot fo people talking about this trinket: Paracausal Fragment of Doomhammer being OP for melee at 450. Any suggestion for buying this?

[heavy sparrow]

I disagree, not every class is easy, arcane is legit hard to play

It's the only spec i have issues with

[delicate burrow]

what flask do we use for M+

[brittle crow]

should buy an armor piece instead imo

[winter shoal]

Don't let Phil hear you say that

[winter shoal]

Vers always

[brittle crow]

trinket get replaced day 1 with m+ trinkets

but having 450 aberrus tier lasts weeks

[elder ridge]

Was thinking on doing that but all my gear (armor) are 447. Dont know if the 3 ilvl upgrade is worth it

Ahhh, i see

[brittle crow]

what about ur trinks?

[heavy sparrow]

Who is phil?

[summer quail]

Legendary mage

[elder ridge]

Running the chromatic and vial of animated bllod 441

blood*

[brittle crow]

vial is probably gonna do a fortnite dance all over any time rift trinket

chromatic might be worth replacing tho

[heavy sparrow]

I honestly don't like arcane. It's legit "too hard to be fun", the setup takes forever, and even a small mistake is omega punishing

[brittle crow]

can sim it

[heavy sparrow]

Id rather play frost/fire all day every day

[elder ridge]

Yeah, imma sim it and see. Cheers

[heavy sparrow]

I was practicing the rotation on the dummy, and eventually thought to myself, i could learn the rotation through muscle memory eventually, but do i really wanna do that when i can just play fire/frost, do around the same if not better damage, and it's more fun?

[brittle crow]

caster

🤮

[heavy sparrow]

And that's when i dropped arcane

Maybe one day

But not now

When i'm extra bored

[winter shoal]

TRUE imagine having to stand still

[brittle crow]

i cant do good dps if im not pressing ADADADADADADADA

[winter shoal]

On god

[serene vessel]

fire is 1000x better but only when u dont have to hard cast any spells

[distant niche]

is it possible to have 2 set week 3 without raiding/vault?

assuming you get fucked in vault/raid tier drops

[modest condor]

yes

omni token from 2k m+ rating (i believe) and catalyst

[distant niche]

oh wow that's actually nice

[junior gale]

isnt catalyst bi weekly now

[distant niche]

i always assume i will get fucked with raid/vault drops because i have the worst luck

we get 1 charge next week, so thats 1 secured tier piece

and week after omni token = tier so 2 piece

no charge this week

no i'm guessing a charge next week (surely)?

[winged vale]

yeah im 99.9% sure we get a charge next week

[distant niche]

i dont need 2 piece I WANT IT

[modest condor]

btw dont spend your omni/catalyst before you have 2p

[junior gale]

thats even better I could of sworn I read something like it was bi weekly

[modest condor]

2p2p is only a very small increase over t30 4p, and you have a chance of getting duplicates if you use them early

[distant niche]

whys that

[modest condor]

so wait until you loot 2p naturally and then spend them to get 4p

[distant niche]

oh wtf, i need some clarification i read fury 2pc is a 29% increase?

[modest condor]

no it's like 0-4% depending on your secondaries

[solemn lichen]

lol we must be an ultra non factor for blizz to be like ehh warriors they dont need anything lol

[distant niche]

-.-

so we are doomed? lol

glad i found out 2pc/2pc is only a minor upgrade atleast

[balmy shore]

yeah

we're doomed

forever

[distant niche]

we play warrior for the love

[balmy shore]

we're gonna be F---

[modest condor]

i mean the thing with 2p is that it makes us use a different build that's super weak without the tierset

so if you look at that it looks like a huge increase

[balmy shore]

(i am kidding)

[modest condor]

but that's not how gearing works

[distant niche]

so even with 2pc/2pc and changing to the new build it's still a max 4% upgrade (roughly) i know i should prob do some sims

[modest condor]

yes

[distant niche]

ty sir

[winter shoal]

Silm do you know if the sims on the tier set sheet are all comparing at the same ilvl?

As in assuming t31 set bonus but still 447 or whatever ilvl

[modest condor]

would be a pretty bad sheet if it doesnt

[winter shoal]

Same stats as well?

Bc t30 is mast > haste and t31 is mast > vers right?

(in general)

[daring knoll]

i bet you could just search the channel for stats by searching

[winter shoal]

I mean I know the comparative stats, I'm not sure about the sims in the sheet

[modest condor]

there's a line you can put in sims to just enable or disable tier set bonusses regardless of whether you actually have them equiped

[winter shoal]

Looking at them it looks like yes they're using the same stats regardless of set bonus input, but that's an inherently flawed methodology

[rotund steppe]

man im so angry

i was watching mandalorian and i got to the end of S2

then i saw the 1st episode of S3

i dont wanna watch anymore :c

[left perch]

Nothing makes me want to hate a show more than Frogu or whatever his name is

[rotund steppe]

man it was ok

[left perch]

perfectly decent show and then they put that guy in

[rotund steppe]

but S3 could have been 100% ok without him

[left perch]

I don’t even hate him as a character

[rotund steppe]

let my man go and beccome a jedi

[left perch]

I actually hate “omg baby yoda” enjoyers

[rotund steppe]

lol

[still swift]

no youre right

F - - -
F u r y

[still swift]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-yoda-the-mandalorian-haha-yes-yeah-gif-16042124

[balmy shore]

🤙

[silk wharf]

Stealing this and posting it as true

[serene vessel]

why isnt subrogue on here

rnt they the highest dps gain from WFT

[silk wharf]

Shhh, dont question the sacred scroll

[empty grove]

how is arms so far up? i thought arms was trash???

[serene vessel]

arms got buffed like 16% after they removed IP

[winter shoal]

That's kazzara my guy

[serene vessel]

but their tier set is poopy

[empty grove]

oh

[serene vessel]

also arms was ahead of fury pre patch

[uneven vale]

sub was one of the highest, but most of the damage got shifted into cooldowns this patch, so not so much anymore

[winter shoal]

This is t31, sub still best WFT recipient

[uneven vale]

[winter shoal]

By like a LOT

[silk wharf]

Fake news

the first graph aligns with my beliefs

so its true

[winter shoal]

Real and based

[serene vessel]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1exJeu5eVe4bTmyg3WFx5PTxIWvDLi0j-WW-XWpGoG88/htmlview#

[rotund steppe]

whats wft

[silk wharf]

Windfury totem

[winter shoal]

Wonderful fun time

[rotund steppe]

:D

[winter shoal]

Bc that's how you feel when you have it in your group

And when you don't you just cry a little

(I haven't had it all tier)

[rotund steppe]

lmao same

[serene vessel]

the night we killed echo, my raid leader forgot to put me in the windfury group

and we killed it first pull

[modest condor]

i hope we get an enhance next tier otherwise im just gonna end up spending the whole tier purple parsing at best

[serene vessel]

its sad isnt it

[modest condor]

it's like not having a monk

[serene vessel]

my hot take is that I think buffs like WFT need to be removed from WoW

in current day WoW where all classes are "balanced" to have roughly the same dps, buffs dont have a purpose

dps buffs at least

buffs should be purely defensive

[strange panther]

just make it raid wide

[serene vessel]

or just remove it

if your classes dps is balanced around an external

[wanton mirage]

guys , what is the fastet way to get Drake crest right now?

[serene vessel]

thats pretty dogwater game design

[winter shoal]

seed farming probs

[serene vessel]

if you dont have that external you just feel bad

and if you do have the external, you don't feel good

you feel normal

[strange panther]

im lucky i never have a windfury totem in my raids, our comp is cobbled together casuals who think aotc is elite

[winter shoal]

Still doesn't help if you don't have an enhance in the raid

[strange panther]

crap im sorry i spoke in a half sentence, have it be cast by any shaman like it used to be and make it raid wide

[winter shoal]

Oh yeah if ele and resto got it and it were raid-wide, that'd be fine

I think even enhance mains would like that bc they don't like having to spend a talent and a global on it lmao

Those mfs were partying in the streets when Wordup said they could drop WFT in their M+ build

[strange panther]

Sigh, i have two weeks to decide fury dk or dh.

[winter shoal]

I find dh extremely unfun to play personally

[strange panther]

i find the little psycho death blender to be hilariously fun but i get into too much trouble

[winter shoal]

I haven't played dk since cata so can't comment there, I feel like I'd get tilted every time I had to move though

[strange panther]

each one is fun which is why its hard to decide lol

[winter shoal]

Fury fun, fury tanky, fury have good mobility 👍

[strange panther]

yeah thats what im leaning towards and just run the other two through mythics

[heady saffron]

are any of the paracausal trinkets decent?

[summer quail]

is this a hot take? they removed buffs in legion and that was great imo

[winter shoal]

Idk why they stopped doing the scrolls or whatever

Like if I could use a scroll for a 16% WFT or a 4% monk/dh buff that would be sicko mode

[serene vessel]

maybe not but every time ive said that buffs are stupid people say "but then you'd just class stack!"

[winter shoal]

What if classes got utility instead of throughput like death/life grip

Wind rush totem, stampeding roar

[serene vessel]

thats exactly what it should be

defensives, utility etc

dps buffs are dumb

[summer quail]

gonna be problems either way, with buffs you have spots that are required even if the class is bad. without them you run the risk of class stacking

[serene vessel]

I think class stacking is a complete nothing burger if im being honest

it's countered by the fact that most people like to play whats fun to them

[winter shoal]

I mean I think having 80% effective scrolls is a fine middle ground tbh, like it's still numerically better to bring the "real" thing, but you don't feel like a dumbo for trying to parse well without an enhance and a monk

[summer quail]

yee for the majority of guilds they won't class stack. there are some exceptions sometimes like zul but majority of the time they won't

[serene vessel]

even at the literal top level there isn't insane amounts of class stacking

[summer quail]

wouldn't class stack*

[rotund steppe]

fuck aug

[serene vessel]

imexile is in team liquid and they only needed 1 rogue this tier, but instead of playing a different class he just didn't play wow

[summer quail]

i'd rather have the risk of a class stacking boss than have required spots for each raid buff

[winter shoal]

[winter shoal]

I mean he also plays other classes but still

[serene vessel]

well kinda

he played other classes but not to the level his rogue is

[winter shoal]

I asked him about TSwift and he said "I can't say much but Tindral is a vibe"

So I think he's feeling good about outlaw xdd

Also for numerical reference, if you do 117k on Rashok without WFT/mystic touch that's a 50 parse, and if you add those raid buffs it takes you to a 75 with literally no difference in gameplay

[strange panther]

mines runnin 2dks 2 warriors 3 rogues lol but we areliteral low lvl

[rotund steppe]

talking bout it

i need a video that explains the fight from warrior perspective

anyone has one?

[winter shoal]

Tindral you mean?

[rotund steppe]

the whole raid

[strange panther]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hMqvb8QiUk

[rotund steppe]

[winter shoal]

I like this guy's videos, he doesn't have a guide for Tindral yet but he does have his testing vods of heroic and mythic
https://www.youtube.com/@StankieGaming/videos

[nova lintel]

my OCD will go crazy if leggo isnt 500 ilvl

[winter shoal]

He plays enhance so not too different from warrior in terms of general gameplay

[rotund steppe]

496 prob lmao

[nova lintel]

:plsno:

[rotund steppe]

ty

[royal wagon]

So does it look like we going arms or fury for raiding?

[tame yarrow]

No changes for warriors 😐

[rotund steppe]

no aura buff 55% but no 69% nerf

[subtle lagoon]

Warrior dev

[rotund steppe]

lmao he thinks we have a dev

jk tho

war dev =

https://tenor.com/view/aintnoway-gif-27058877

[strange panther]

Warrior devs name is Jerry, He started out working in data transfer and server maintenance years ago and was the cause of all the crashes and days of inability to connect. He quit to do proof reading and editing for Wizards of the Coast for dnd preprintd campaigns but was fired because he cant read.

[rotund steppe]

sounds true

[strange panther]

every time there is a mistake in your life, be it real or virtual just blame Jerry, he obviously did it.

[rotund steppe]

poor Jerry

i prefer to blame Bobby

[strange panther]

Damnit Bobby.

[tulip cedar]

prot

if you want to raid as a warrior that's the foolproof method

[wanton mirage]

guys, I got another question. late to party. what is the current plan with timerift and dreamsurge token gears?

should I buy weapon or armors?

[umbral dust]

Fuck I loved that fight so much

[winter shoal]

Making 450 tier pieces is probably a good idea, helmet is nice bc you can force the socket with the vault currency thing. You won't be replacing them until 4p t31 so you'll get a good bit of use out of them

If you're already 447 socketed tier pieces tho then idk yolo

[edgy widget]

Possibly trinkets too, all depends on what your gear is at and what you need

[bold basin]

Guys new warrior here , Im currently 440 , I was wondering If I should use the spark of dreams on something or wait till next week , what do you guys think

[edgy widget]

There's no reason to craft early, I'd hold off to see if Blizz does anything drastic

[wanton mirage]

sorry for borrowing your guys brains. here is my gears.

[edgy widget]

at your level of gear, I think it's a sim question, which you can facilitate yourself

[toxic grove]

you're stacked

[wanton mirage]

alright thanks archi.

[winter shoal]

Yeah for sure sim it, socketed 450 tier helm and a 450 timerift trinket might crank though

By which I mean a small dps improvement but nothing better to do this week, it's bad luck protection for M+ next week

[bold basin]

I just got to 440 with random gear and quck sim is saying 111k dps thats good right ? I dont know how to compare with other people!

[covert void]

basically same as me and I'm just going to wait and not stress. should be fine lol.

[winter shoal]

That seems reasonable, maybe a little low but if you're in random gear your stats are probably a bit of a mess. Everyone will be replacing all their gear in the next couple weeks anyways so don't worry too much

[bold basin]

Yeah I just put some random stuff lol okay at least is not like really bad lol

[winter shoal]

I think most sims with 447 gear, raid buffs, proper stat distributions, etc. end up in the mid 130s for fury

But again that'll become completely irrelevant in like 4 days

[royal wagon]

They didn't design legendary axe for prot warriors

[tulip cedar]

i really wonder if dk/ret/warriors are being balanced around leggo

[silk wharf]

Either yes, or the leggo is just cosmetic.

[olive wraith]

I thought blizz lost their mind and buffed feral to the moon

Saw this and thought it was feral for a min

[plucky wedge]

Cataclysmic Signet Brand will make melee even more zug zug lol

[clever path]

Are rep items on the dream wardens vendor account wide? did all the quests on my main first like a dumdum, if I go get renown 18 on my alt, could my main purchase the augment rune?

[olive wraith]

It got nerfed no?

[keen kindle]

It's been nerfed like 3 times.now

[plucky wedge]

i dont know if hte sims have taken it into account

[left perch]

lmfao can you imagine

[plucky wedge]

if they havent, its still the strongest

[left perch]

some dev just got some whack changes approved

[olive wraith]

Dude I was shook

I was def gonna make feral main

[left perch]

"hey sorry im behind on this ticket can you just approve this PR real quick before reset"

[olive wraith]

Let’s just double and triple their biggest finishing moves

[dusty aspen]

is fury dead? when I sim arms vs fury its 140k vs fury. Guessing it evens out once I get T31

[winter shoal]

Arms got big aura buffs because their t31 is stinky

So it's a lot better rn but fury will catch up with 4pc

[keen kindle]

I mean

T31 is better then our t30 for pure st lmao

[dusty aspen]

ok makes sense. my sims are the same really from before 10.2 but it was just kind of suprising that arms swung that hard.

[keen kindle]

for arms

[olive wraith]

Ya our damage profile kinda switches t31

[compact knot]

IDK what happened, my sim went from 140k to 135k for no reason

we got no major talent changes that would affect us rn right?

unless im missing something

[keen kindle]

Right now for fury no

With tier yes

[compact knot]

i got better gear and my went down drastically monkatos, maybe apl is changed for tierset and is screwing with our current tier

idk

[summer quail]

did you change like a talent or something on accident? maybe in aoe build now while before st?

[compact knot]

i didnt i believe

449 ilvl too

from 446

[summer quail]

did you swap out offhand ashk?

[compact knot]

nope

swapped out mainhand with 463 wep

from 447

ashkandi still in offhand

[summer quail]

hmh i'll sim as well, haven't done so this patch to see if it's the same for me

[compact knot]

i dont think i fucked up with having a pvp piece equipped, showed it at 449 ilvl in game and on raid bots, ill sim again though and make sure

all gemmed and shit

[summer quail]

before did you sim ashk against humanoid? coz the custom line got deleted for me

[compact knot]

patchwerk is humanoid correct?

or is that not how that works

[summer quail]

no, default is simming against humanoid. i was just asking if you had the custom line before patch or not for humanoid

default is not simming against humanoid*

can you link the sim? @compact knot

mine is higher than before with 463 weapon

[cursive solar]

I haven't played wow since DF came out and haven't touched fury with the new talents. When playing Annihilator and when using CDs, should I be hitting rampage inbetween cooldowns, or just slamming them all in a row? So it would be reck, avatar, thunderous roar, and then odyn's fury? Another question I was wondering about was if I should wait for the ody's fury bleed to fall off from the first ability to then use the next.

[compact knot]

my ashkandi damage is low yes

but it still dowuldnt account for

5k dps

that went missing

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/itvffWawXkd8i92JRtLnLm

[summer quail]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/u7S4dRHVb4DQs5KCq4MdF9

[remote tulip]

so for the lego axe is it an rng drop like the evoker wep

[compact knot]

what is going on LOL

whats ur stat spread

no runes/buffs

[cursive solar]

And I was also wondering in general if I should be using each bloodbath between rampages or if I have a reck proc/inside CDs if I should just send the rampages if I get enough rage back after using it.

[summer quail]

20,34,48,10

[compact knot]

21,32,51,11

basically the same

hmm

[summer quail]

dude

your sim is missing weapon runes

[compact knot]

what the fuck

trying

[remote tulip]

whats the axe gonna be like is it a rng drop?

[compact knot]

its not adding them

[toxic grove]

you use mastery rune for st or haste?

[compact knot]

mastery usually

w/e sims higher

i changed the weapon rune to mastery and it didnt noting

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2ETr7r49N9Fv9FdnUm32DS

same inputs as yours

[summer quail]

you have sudden death instead of vc but i don't think that adds the 4-5k

[compact knot]

isnt that minimal diff

like in the double digits

i just used sudden death cause it feels better to play

[remote tulip]

anybody know if the AXE is an RNG drop like the evoker wep???

[compact knot]

we know noting

about the lego

[remote tulip]

alright

[compact knot]

changed to nightly and im simming 141k nowo

[remote tulip]

ya bc its not in the loot list

[summer quail]

ahh didn't see you were simming weekly

that makes sense

[compact knot]

i swear ive never touched that before

dont know why it would change now

[summer quail]

presumeably it is since they said we will have badluck protection from the beginning

[summer quail]

new patch means the weekly hasn't updated but the nightly has

[compact knot]

right

ty though

[summer quail]

arms sim is crazy tho

152k

[remote tulip]

im hoping it doesnt drop from the boss hopefully its just a drop

like the evoker wep

[compact knot]

arms got buffed right, and the playstyle made a little better

[summer quail]

arms did get buffed, playstyle is debateable but i always enjoy it anyway

[compact knot]

i played a little bit wednesday, damage wise it felt real nice

[summer quail]

prob gonna play fury for m+ til tier then swap to arms. did not like annhilator in keys

[elfin lodge]

cthey said its like evoker quest drop but will have bad luck protection so it wont take too long to see a drop if youre clearing raid

[remote tulip]

yeah i rly hope they do lol

there were ppl that were saying one of the paracasual trinks are rly good is that true?

[compact knot]

2 of them are pretty good yeah

[south kayak]

Which ones are those

[remote tulip]

yea ^%^^

[compact knot]

1 is better than anything you can get right now by a decent margin, other one is better then mythic essence with no buffs

[remote tulip]

im using vial and oce

[south kayak]

Names please

Okay ty

[compact knot]

the other one is the frostmourne one (keep in mind this shalamayne one is only good in st)

was better then 441 mirror by about 0.7% for me at 448 ilvl

[remote tulip]

wheres the vendor for that one

@compact knot

[compact knot]

both in same spot by time rift vendors, shi everbreeze, last page and second page

the panda sitting on a broken pot by all the rift vendors

u can sim it if u want, probably guranteed to be better then mirror

[remote tulip]

all i see is sulfuras, doomhammer, azzinoth, frostmourne, and thunderfin

[compact knot]

doomhammer is horde version of the one i have @remote tulip

both do the same thing

[remote tulip]

oooh ok

thanks bro! much love

[compact knot]

np friend

[remote tulip]

and then im guessing frostmourne is the second one thats good?

[compact knot]

you can also get 450 tier from this

(current tier)

frostmourne was better then mythic oce by about 0.2% (no buffs)

[remote tulip]

oh fuck

[compact knot]

im not sure how that one works

[summer quail]

keep in mind if you have a socketed tier helm that's 447 a 450 tier helm will not be worth it

[remote tulip]

so pretty much replace doomhammer with vial and frostmourne replacing oce

[compact knot]

on singletarget probably

aoe idk

[remote tulip]

gotcha

[compact knot]

vial/oce probably better on aoe

not probably, definetly is

0 ominous buffs

[remote tulip]

wow a 5k dps increase insane

[compact knot]

its 5k for you?

[remote tulip]

yea

[compact knot]

damnnn

[remote tulip]

i have vial hahaha

and oce

[compact knot]

the healer one was also doing insane amounts of healing in raid for healers, they got quite a big buff

[distant niche]

is it possible to craft 447 crafted pieces still?

[compact knot]

i dont think so no

you can make 463 crafted pieces though

(dont)

they got rid of aspect crests fully, so enchanters cant enable the shadowflame sparks to go to 447, you can recraft already 447 pieces though

[remote tulip]

yooo so for crafted pieces we still using SF for raiding?

bc im using boots and legs

[compact knot]

for st as of right now its probably double shadowflame, im more a fan of the vers bracers with 1 shadowflame/lariat later on when i have gems

[upbeat plume]

Should be able to sim the different crafted pieces, there's been a bunch of nerfs and changes related to them for cantrips

[compact knot]

vers bracers will 100% scale better later on with better gear

[remote tulip]

is our stat prio still haste/mastery

[forest rose]

im surprised wowhead hasnt datamined the leggo

[compact knot]

mastery=vers>crit=haste

is what guide says

[remote tulip]

oh so everything changed then

[compact knot]

with crafted shit just sim different stats and see what is highest

[remote tulip]

its prob bc of the 4pc

[compact knot]

yeppers

[remote tulip]

we prob need a shit ton of crit now lmfao

[gilded pawn]

Just wait until you finish gearing

And then worry about stats

[prime charm]

Is there anywhere I can view what that t31 rotations look like for t31?

[gilded pawn]

Not exactly

On one hand crit benefits 4p

But 2p doesn’t use crit

[remote tulip]

hmmm

[compact knot]

2p 0 benefit from crit

[gilded pawn]

2p is where most of the juice comes from too

[compact knot]

and 2p is the more important part of our tier

[remote tulip]

were gonna be using odyn's fury now?

[gilded pawn]

Yeah blizzard said so

[compact knot]

yeah

[remote tulip]

wow

[compact knot]

odyns is fun though

imo

annhilator isnt

[remote tulip]

is there a build for that?

ye annhilator is ass

[compact knot]

wowhead guide shows it

[cursive solar]

What? Annihilator is great

you get to press slam

🙂

[compact knot]

🙂

🐊

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1147992865537019924/1151214169044041741/watermark.gif

[remote tulip]

is it the storm of swords build?

[remote tulip]

yea its storm of swords

will it only benefit if we have 4pc or only 2pc

[compact knot]

what will benefit

storm/annhilator?

[olive wraith]

Wdym

[forest rose]

people keep saying DH is op now, what happened?

[remote tulip]

storm sorry

[compact knot]

you take storm to get annhilator

and annhilator benefits off dancing blades hella

since you need to take odyns fury on single target now

[olive wraith]

You need to take OF period

[compact knot]

well yeah

[forest rose]

we dont get a choice

[remote tulip]

so is storm better then annhilator or its w.e

[compact knot]

what

[olive wraith]

Huh

[compact knot]

storm of sword is required to take annhilator

[remote tulip]

oh

jfc lmfao

[compact knot]

we really dont want to take either

[remote tulip]

yea so on wowhead theres an annhilator build S3 and SoS build S3

[gilded pawn]

It got buffed

[forest rose]

ah

thankfully im not a meta slave 😄

[remote tulip]

which one would be required to take is my question

[compact knot]

outlaw is crazy on aoe

with a ench

[olive wraith]

Right now or after new tier

[compact knot]

only a small 21k dps gain on 5 targets from wft

[remote tulip]

next tier i know we stick with CSHB currently

[toxic grove]

I sim 124k as fury and 137k as arms

I think its arms angle folks

[compact knot]

for now

[summer quail]

that's what happens when a class gets reworked in dflight. becomes op

[compact knot]

then we get tier and skyrocket

spriest 50 reworks

[forest rose]

ah yeah same happened with ret

[toxic grove]

I simmed 2p2p worse than 4p t30

[gilded pawn]

You know, ret was good for like half a tier

[compact knot]

change ur talents

[gilded pawn]

Then it somehow disappeared in 10.1

[compact knot]

bud

[summer quail]

ye i know ahahha

[gilded pawn]

All they did was a 3% nerf

[toxic grove]

did

[summer quail]

ret being op was very shortlived

[gilded pawn]

I don’t get it

Class didn’t scale

[silk wharf]

So when I was buying tier for my dk I saw that new dk tier revolves around their execute. All the str users have an execute. Any bets that the leggo procs off them?

[summer quail]

doubt it

if it does proc off them then arms will feast

[gilded pawn]

Huh

No

Ret pal

Ret pal has their execute available like 2/3rd of the dight

Arms has it 35%

If it enhances execute maybe

[summer quail]

ye ig that's true, arms will get a decent amount of exe procs with the tier tho

[gilded pawn]

But if it’s a proc on execute then ret pal will be by far

Hammer is essentially not an execute these days

Does the other dk specs even take soul reaper

Blood takes it cuz tier right

[summer quail]

i think maybe they take it now? coz it got buffed

think unholy takes it

[south kayak]

It’s like Fury execute

[gilded pawn]

Fury execute can do some cool things

It makes 20 rages

Which is a lot

[remote tulip]

wow i just got the doomhammer trink from the time rift but it was 402 got excited for a sec lmfao

[gilded pawn]

If you put it in perspective of ret pal it would be like 2 holy power

[cursive solar]

Could I get some assistance with my rotation questions?

[olive wraith]

What question

[cursive solar]

I haven't played wow since DF came out and haven't touched fury with the new talents. When playing Annihilator and when using CDs, should I be hitting rampage inbetween cooldowns, or just slamming them all in a row? So it would be reck, avatar, thunderous roar, and then odyn's fury? Another question I was wondering about was if I should wait for the ody's fury bleed to fall off from the first ability to then use the next. I was also wondering in general if I should be using each bloodbath between rampages or if I have a reck proc/inside CDs if I should just send the rampages if I get enough rage back after using it.

[olive wraith]

Well you shouldn’t be playing anni yet first of all

[cursive solar]

I'm using it for open world and dungeons

I only have 2 set of tier 30

[rancid osprey]

Anni isn't a good choice to be used until you have the new tier

Not the old tier

[olive wraith]

Am os is better even without tier

[gilded pawn]

I mean if he’s doing world content

May as well learn the rotation?

[cursive solar]

I already know how fury works as I've been playing it since 8.3, I just don't know about the new talents from DF interact together

[olive wraith]

Always be casting something

Empty gcd bad

[cursive solar]

I know

[olive wraith]

Always bb after ramp no sense in holding

[digital tundra]

For M+, is 2x Shadowflame Tempered Armor Patch BiS? Or is it 1x Shadowflame Tempered Armor Patch and 1x Allied Wristguard of COmpanionship?

[meager void]

too soon to be sure, give it a sec

[olive wraith]

Rn wrists plus patch seems like the play

[rancid osprey]

So it would be reck, avatar, thunderous roar, and then odyn's fury?
Reck -> OF -> Avatar as DoT/Avatar from OF falls off -> BT/BB -> TR -> Rampage

I.E. Hit Avatar 4 seconds after you hit OF

[olive wraith]

Should ramp before bt I’m pretty sure

Between reck, autos, charge you’ll have enough rage for ramp

[digital tundra]

whats the benefit to hitt Avatar so late instead of using it as you use reck?

[olive wraith]

The rotation he listed is for tier

[dreamy notch]

Cdr from set

[digital tundra]

ooo i see

[gilded pawn]

Dancing blade duration

[cursive solar]

I forgot I could just run a quick sim and see what it does for the opener:

This is on the nightly build

[olive wraith]

Why is that first bt there

[digital tundra]

so do we just use avatar when we run out of rage?

[cursive solar]

To get enraged for OF?

[olive wraith]

Should have enough rage to ramp

[cursive solar]

Pressing OF enrages you too

🤔

[olive wraith]

Only if you have the ww one

[cursive solar]

idk, maybe the APL is borked

[olive wraith]

And not db

[cursive solar]

I have that talented

[digital tundra]

does it enrage and then do damage?

[olive wraith]

Idk but I’m almost positive ramp would be the better cast if you’re looking to enrage

[cursive solar]

I ran another one and it changed

Maybe that sim got low rolled on rage gen

[digital tundra]

That one makes more sense? Do we always use rampage > BB?

[cursive solar]

I know the sample log is variable

[olive wraith]

Without tier probably?

[digital tundra]

Yeah so I would imagine Empowered BB (w/ tier) > Rampage > BB

[olive wraith]

With tier you cast bt every other gcd for the most part

Above a certain rage threshold you’d prio ramp over bt

Think it’s 100 rage but I’m not sure if that was it

More bt means more chances at cdr for of

And then inside reck windows you can basically spam ramp-bb until it falls off

[slate escarp]

s3 season + with 4 set fury > arms? and st too?

[olive wraith]

Our st is higher I think aoe is not iirc

[slate escarp]

okay

[cursive solar]

Looking at the first sim again it even had a moment of triple rampages

Looking at the APL it says if greater than 85 rage then to hit it

[south kayak]

Help me

My back hurts

[toxic grove]

Do planks

[cursive solar]

The APL doesn't account for the Titanic Rage talent at all

[toxic grove]

are you simming with 2p ?

[cursive solar]

I'm simming with my own gear, so yeah.

2P of last tier

Who manages the APL? Archimtiros?

[toxic grove]

Yeah it would prioritize Rampage over BT/BB with t30 2p

[south kayak]

My mom

[toxic grove]

since 2p gives 10% damage to rampage

[south kayak]

I think it’s archim, yes

[proud moat]

stuck between ret or fury

[cursive solar]

If you're asking here you know the answer

[south kayak]

Yeah, it’s obviously ret

Why even ask

[cursive solar]

[oblique trail]

If you are simming with t30, these breakdowns aren't going to do you much good because the priority swaps when you have t31, where you wont be spamming rampage back to back

[olive wraith]

Also bt kinda meh if there’s no tier attached to it

[south kayak]

Yeah that’s why it gets two tiers in a row

Unrelated but havoc always has damage it’s crazy, very short cds

Aside from one

[stuck bison]

They buffed ret %3 go ret. They also good for m+ utilitywise

[lunar summit]

Ret has the best aoe tierset 2

[heavy galleon]

As usual, no warrior on patch note :x

[edgy widget]

Wars in a pretty decent spot, comparatively

[errant bear]

Warriors are literally in the best position of any 2h strength user

[pearl cradle]

hi guys i will purchase paracasual trinket which two is the best i dont have any trinkets atm

[heavy galleon]

But it's so good to saw Augmentation nerf 😄

[light stump]

Have heard it’s a lot more complex to play than fury?

[edgy widget]

tentatively, we'll see how things shake out next week - legendary too!

[cursive solar]

Do we know what the legendary does? Or just that it exists?

[serene vessel]

yes

[south kayak]

I’m gonna say so yes

[serene vessel]

as "complex" as a wow class can be at least

[cursive solar]

I had terrible luck getting a gavel in 9.2

[serene vessel]

none of them are really that crazy complex but havoc is definitely up there

[south kayak]

Dks tho

[south kayak]

They need to nerf their utility

Not damage

[serene vessel]

need to do both

[south kayak]

Their utility is bonkers

[serene vessel]

so much so that u only pick the spec for fun

and its never brought to anything competitive again

[south kayak]

That’s too harsh

[serene vessel]

no

i genuionely hope the spec is never played seriosuly again

i unsubbed because of that dumb spec and im just waiting for it to be removed/neutered

[errant bear]

Well this is speculative but evoker legendary increased their overall dps by around 8% overall indirectly of which 2% directly by buffing themselves. If take the same % increase of dps to the legendary strength weapon, 233k*1,08 = 251K dps.
Fury warriors would be simming as the 2nd highest dps in the game right now

[edgy widget]

those profiles haven't all been updated yet btw

[errant bear]

Yeah ofcourse im just judging by what information we have available as of right now

[edgy widget]

and yes, the impact of the legendary shouldn't be ignored... however, that's subject to actually getting the legendary, which is not a guarantee

[south kayak]

I know it’s not up to me but I think it’s pretty stupid not to play the game because of augmentation.

[edgy widget]

it's their $15

[south kayak]

True indeed

[sudden tusk]

we had someone join our raid team and the moment they saw what augmentation was quit instantly lmao

[serene vessel]

its not just because of augmentation, it's because of the impact and ramifications of the spec. They completely butchered last season and threw the entire balance out of whack "for fun"

[edgy widget]

Speaking of, I haven't even started 10.2 content yet 😬

[sudden tusk]

all they wanted to do was play dev but they saw the writing on the wall

[slim coral]

[edgy widget]

I've been swamped catching up on shit

and fighting the convid

[sudden tusk]

you know it had to be like 1 gyu

guy

[frozen tartan]

Get well soon