fury

[olive wraith]

Also depends if I can find a group to just grind with

[distant niche]

Yeah that’s the best thing, back to back m+

[next canopy]

Do you have to do a key this week in order to get one for next week (m+) or if you have one it’ll just drop 11 levels

[distant niche]

Yes

[next canopy]

Yes to what lol

[distant niche]

Attitude

[next canopy]

Huh?

[distant niche]

I believe you have to do a key this week

[next canopy]

Ah ok cool. Ty

[fickle bluff]

you dont

[distant niche]

I’ve been told you have to

Or you start with a +2

[next canopy]

I keep reading different things that’s why I thought I’d ask

[fickle bluff]

yeah if you havent done m+ in 2 months

[distant niche]

Then what key level is it based off

Lol

The one you did 2 months ago?

[next canopy]

Like I have a 27 rn so next week it’ll be 16

[fickle bluff]

natural decay one level a week

• whatever its dropping by with the season

[distant niche]

First I’ve heard of this ^

[sharp silo]

Are we using a weakaura for t31 like crit tracker

[rigid stirrup]

Nope

[fickle bluff]

theres not much to track

[silent burrow]

15s probably be like this seasons 20-21 range I'd guess

[oblique trail]

only thing you might want to track is amount of set stacks and if you have reckless abandon, even then it's something that doesn't necessarily need tracking unless you're not paying attention

[rigid stirrup]

If it ain't in the pins I ain't using it

[sharp silo]

and do we still generate so much rage like ravager build?

[sharp silo]

Ty

[left perch]

ok @chrome plover i got renown rank 9 but hard stuck after hotfix on seeds

lessons learned: use cheating and other things like dmf before hotfix

or read a guide

[oblique trail]

There is considerably less rage gen because you wont have near 100% uptime on Recklessness anymore

But it's not going to be so jarring that you feel like you never have any rage either

[sharp silo]

did they reduce rep fromseeds?

[oblique trail]

yes

it's 5 rep per seed now

[left perch]

yea after first 5 of the WEEK or some shit

[sharp silo]

LoL i thought they were always giving less rep after a few

Sadge

[left perch]

grinding my last 35 rep to r9 was pain

[sharp silo]

Tys

[left perch]

idk how to get r10 after inting myself on contract and dmf and human

[oak peak]

Whats the point of grinding out rep right now? Just curious

[rich marlin]

What builds should we be using without any tier whatsoever? Back from first tier so not sure

[oblique trail]

to get the augment rune for first week of raid

[oak peak]

Ah gotcha. Thanks

[oblique trail]

but it's a very minor increase so farming it hard now wont really matter too much, unless you enjoy the farm

[olive wraith]

T30 talents

But you remove all the bloodthirst talents for rb instead

[rich marlin]

Gotcha thanks

[kindred notch]

yo i need talent for pad and single tarket with 4 p

[olive wraith]

For t31?

[gilded pawn]

World first t31

[kindred notch]

ya

[olive wraith]

Wowhead should be updated

[crystal radish]

125k ???? FU Blizzard !!!!

[oblique trail]

it's 100k

[eternal sundial]

cheap

[crystal radish]

100/125 whatever.... it's a robery

[oblique trail]

Idk I've never had or really used augment runes ever when I was progging

[olive wraith]

Why is that robbery

[oblique trail]

And it didn't matter

[olive wraith]

Aren’t they permanent now

[covert blaze]

if 100k is a lot to you, you probably don't play the game at a level where it would matter anyway

[oblique trail]

There has always been a permanent augment rune every last patch

at least in recent expansions

[crystal radish]

But not at 100k

[oblique trail]

inflation

[olive wraith]

How much are tokens rn

[orchid fable]

which 462 ilvl piece should i craft/recraft this week?

[oblique trail]

382k on EU

[olive wraith]

I’d wait

[solemn lichen]

will we become Single minded fury with the legendary weapon off the final boss?

[oblique trail]

if you believe hard enough

[solemn lichen]

LOL

[olive wraith]

Maybe if you get supremely unlucky with 2h drops

[solemn lichen]

that sucks they made it 1 hander

[olive wraith]

But it doesn’t beat out 2h ilvl equivalent

Prot is happy I’m sure

[orchid fable]

legendary axe? is 2H

[dapper goblet]

👨‍🦼

[oblique trail]

xeos emote

[chrome plover]

yea

i havent had time before hotfix

im 2200 at 9 on alt

but I'll just do all the wqs

[red yew]

[oblique trail]

[red yew]

[covert blaze]

[narrow narwhal]

:woo:

[mossy fox]

[sterile remnant]

im reading this right? legendary axe is a 1 handed weapon?

[young swan]

???

[fast mural]

yeah rets surely are gonna use a 1h axe

[sterile remnant]

ah great. i wasnt reading that right. main question, currently with the changes made to arms. in raid fury and arms are still same ish or one is better?

[fast mural]

sameish

fight dependant

[sterile remnant]

since i really dont enjoy bloodthirst fury

[young swan]

arms stocks are up

cause last boss on mythic looks very good for arms

[fast mural]

yeah

if its realy 2target cleave arms gonna slap

[sterile remnant]

council and last boss i take it?

[fast mural]

yeah

[sterile remnant]

fury still Mastery > Haste or changes with this tier

[fast mural]

probably gonna lean more into crit

but im not sure

[sterile remnant]

well if that happens it would be great

doont have to change whole items to change from arms to fury when need be

[dapper goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/cope-harder-cope-sir-cope-sir-american-psycho-gif-26276799

[golden pike]

where did you 'read'? lol

[proud bough]

Wouldn't guaranteed crits from our tier set make crit not as valuable as Mastery, since we're going to be enraged for each enhanced BB?

[fast mural]

yes it does crits reduce CD of OF

[sterile remnant]

long story :))))

[proud bough]

Hmm

[left perch]

you are not reading right

[olive wraith]

[winter shoal]

Sims seem to indicate mast > vers but we'll see how things shake out

[sterile remnant]

strange. thought crit will come in

guess have to wait

[brittle crow]

so do u have to contribute a seed to an already existing purple seed to get a chance at mount

or if it already exists do u just need to water it

[sterile remnant]

ask in druid discord

[brittle crow]

real

[jovial rover]

Look at bag reward it say if there's a chance at mount

[elder tree]

So which bosses are gonna be Arms > Fury?

[jovial rover]

Signet brand doomed !

Every boss is fury boss in fury channel

[pearl cradle]

hi guys so im coming back to wow and looking to play dps warrior which is easier or stronger i guess fury or arms thanks guys

[fast mural]

fury is easier and stronger in ST

[pearl cradle]

thanks and it looks fury is tankier?

[fast mural]

not sure about that actually

it has more hp

[pearl cradle]

does fury still use two two handed weapons ?

[brittle crow]

always has always will

[pearl cradle]

thanks thanks

[brittle crow]

have u not played for like 7 yrs?

that sounds ruder than i intended

[warm crag]

reported to the authorities

[fast mural]

tfw you realize 7 years ago it was legion

[brittle crow]

bruh 😭

BRO i contribute a purple seed and dewdrops and this is all i get https://i.imgur.com/IMuVE6Z.png

what kind of scam

[elder tree]

My raid leader is forcing me into single-minded fury this season, saying itll be way better. He's a warrior main and says he'll sacrifice himself and play titans grip and assign legendary to himself since itll be pretty crap apparently. What a nice guy 🙂

[warm crag]

real

[brittle crow]

mf is saying single minded fury when we have a 2handed lego on the way

ok baby

[olive wraith]

That’s gotta be troll

[pearl cradle]

should i go arms loot spec if im playing fury

[warm crag]

🎣

yes

[dark flower]

smf copers always smallest brains

[wanton mirage]

Is there any sims available for 450 paracasual trinkets?

[warm crag]

dunno cant u just make one

[tardy lark]

they are on droptimizer thingy

[wanton mirage]

Sry. I wanted to ask they correct ? I means 450 is a new scale for them so idk whether raidbot upgraded with them.

[tardy lark]

scaling is just a factor applied to the item as far as im aware

[warm crag]

no reason to suspect they're implemented incorrectly for now

[wanton mirage]

Alright, thanks for clarifying

[silk wharf]

even if they are minor upgrades its certainly not worth the flightstones to upgrade them over real gear or weapons.

if you have decent trinkets already.

[spice vine]

Im in a very similar situation

[brittle crow]

yall are trolling

nobody thinks smf is better

[rustic latch]

Time to find a new guild XD

[dapper goblet]

i think its better

[winter shoal]

Who gets liquid first legendary axe and why is it you

[spice vine]

yes surely it will be me

I will just simply ninja it from the raid

[winter shoal]

Seems worth it

[brittle crow]

https://i.imgur.com/2KZVwO4.png ORC EXCLUSIVE MOG?

REAL

[dapper goblet]

what that fuck look like

[elder tree]

Was just joking 😂

[brittle crow]

https://i.imgur.com/XV3e4Tg.png

[dapper goblet]

👨‍🦼

[brittle crow]

i love it

id wear it if i wasnt a laughing skull mask enthusiast

[dire badge]

[slim coral]

Smf goated who’s your raid lead

[spice vine]

a very intellectual dude for sure

[elder tree]

As i said its a joke 😄

[next canopy]

Do we need to make any talent adjustments for m+ since patch or we just run same shit until new 2p

[summer quail]

same shit til 2p

[next canopy]

ty

[sudden tusk]

Raf are you in cali for the race

[solemn plover]

@oblique trail hey dude should i still be playing arms or can i swap to fury now?

[red yew]

@oblique trail hey dude should i still be playing arms or can i swap to fury now?

[chrome plover]

@left perch hunter hit 10 times for bed

[fading bane]

yo i seen someone say legendary is 1h axe

does this mean smf time?

[keen kindle]

Lmafo no

It's basically confirmed 2h

Why would a fucking paladin or dk use a 1h

[fading bane]

🪤

[warm crag]

you're wrong

[solemn plover]

youre right spongie!

thank you

[warm crag]

np smf fury #1

[olive wraith]

Prot leggo prio

[clever belfry]

balls

[summer quail]

frost dk and prot pala obviously

[keen kindle]

Dude look at the size of that thing lmao

[summer quail]

🙂

[fading bane]

i can fit that between my ass cheeks 100%

[subtle mural]

Is 2-2 viable? Or are we waiting for 4?

[young swan]

2-2 is fine

[clever belfry]

trust me
in fated tier we play 2-2 with AM build

i have cooked

[subtle mural]

Awesome thanks

[fading bane]

FATED FATED FATED FATED FATED FATED FATED FATED FATED

[rotund steppe]

i hope is better than last fated

[clever belfry]

better than farming amirdrassil for 45 weeks

[fading bane]

if fated contains

no new content

and only doing old raids

it wont be better

[left perch]

howwww

[fading bane]

both cases have the same outcome, i take break from the game

[clever belfry]

its low hanging fruit for them

[silk wharf]

They might make fated be new old content

[clever belfry]

takes no time

[fading bane]

Imagne if they did fated older raids tho

would go hard

[modest condor]

pls no

[clever belfry]

nah u cant

[fading bane]

Fated Tomb

[clever belfry]

u gotta change too much

thats work then

[fading bane]

let me dream

[rotund steppe]

fated molten core

[modest condor]

hell yeah now that's something i can get behind

[clever belfry]

raid Design gotta fit current(ish) class Design paradigm

dont worry about the random capitalised things, german autocorrect strikes again

[spice vine]

Fated isnt real it cant hurt you

[clever belfry]

its real

theyve said...

rafkar too busy seeding

[spice vine]

If you do not log in to the next season it is not real

[clever belfry]

didnt know...

[chrome plover]

did everything and had 300 left then a few worlds quests with contract to finish

[modest condor]

rafkar go back to playing farm simulator

[clever belfry]

idk if u guys did funny log out strat

or if you went seeding

[spice vine]

I will be logging into season of discovery and having a great time hitting my 2 buttons

[clever belfry]

rediscover my hatred for the game

gg

[left perch]

I’m stuck at r9 and just bad

[rotund steppe]

same

[clever belfry]

skill issue

[fading bane]

i hard cba with this useless content

[left perch]

@clever belfry trade me your skill or your hatred

[fading bane]

if you had m+ to do

[clever belfry]

no

[fading bane]

no one would do it

[clever belfry]

mine

[left perch]

hate loving this game but sucking at it

[spice vine]

do not renown farm I do not recommend

[clever belfry]

i just did 10 on non human first day

and have done 0 farm on 2nd char

gg

[left perch]

congrats I’m happy for you and I mean I hate myself

[gilded pawn]

@spice vine can you hook me up for liquid splits?

[fading bane]

i did it on main

clicked my tokens when i got them

[spice vine]

what do u need brother

[winter shoal]

Yo can I get in there too

[clever belfry]

if u have autopass wa surely

[fading bane]

we had a buyer last week

who needed and greeded every item

[left perch]

Lmao

[fading bane]

took like 10 min for him to hand over an item that he had like 2 of, and he couldnt use it

[modest condor]

always funny when we get a new trial and the RL forgot to tell them to install rclc

[left perch]

https://tenor.com/view/im-taking-this-stolen-hilarious-jim-carrey-gif-14862434

[clever belfry]

i hate buyers

so much

[fading bane]

i was the guy

[left perch]

Ouch

[fading bane]

dealing with them

[clever belfry]

<redacted>

[fading bane]

for over a tier

they are so low iq aswell

complaining

spamming

annoying

among other things

https://tenor.com/view/jose-mourinho-sweet-trouble-gif-26762341

[left perch]

I’d like to think

I am actually the best buyer

[fading bane]

think this guy wiped us like 2 times aswell

[clever belfry]

how

[fading bane]

Rashok

he got the mechanic

[balmy shore]

aren't buyers supposed to die

[fading bane]

first one of the fight

[balmy shore]

like on pull

[fading bane]

yes

he hit us with "i dont have space in bags"

[clever belfry]

no evo rescued him?

shit evos

replace all

tbh

[left perch]

they didn’t make me on AOTC abberrus

[balmy shore]

[left perch]

got green and blue and grey parses

Ez

[fading bane]

evo fault agreed

[clever belfry]

[left perch]

week 1 gamer

[balmy shore]

[fading bane]

harder to wipe the entire raid on heroic than it is on mythic

[left perch]

Made me die Nelth tho

[clever belfry]

real

[modest condor]

every aug is boosted

[fading bane]

man i hate augmentation

[clever belfry]

same

[left perch]

if you’re gonna be in Aug jail

[fading bane]

i was doing like 180k on Sarkareth

[winter shoal]

real and true

[fading bane]

"omg arms broken"

[left perch]

You might as well be Gajeel

[fading bane]

turns out 20k+ of my dmg

wasnt mine

[clever belfry]

[left perch]

[clever belfry]

Arms actually good this week

[balmy shore]

fr

[clever belfry]

cherish it while it lasts

[fading bane]

arms good for 1 week

[left perch]

You know what sucks the most about Aug rn

[fading bane]

batchesting

[left perch]

Devo is actually fun to play

[clever belfry]

everything

[left perch]

but it’s just trolling

[modest condor]

they gonna bring 3 arms to fyrakk and then it gets nerfed

[fading bane]

from what ive heard

[clever belfry]

deva is boring af

[fading bane]

it sounds like preem arms fight

[winter shoal]

Rafkar can you confirm

[left perch]

delete this

[fading bane]

i played deva alt for a bit

i would never main it

not that big a fan

[clever belfry]

Deva is squishy
feels super crippled compared to aug

Ff

cringe

[left perch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1038600645055352932/1171957628415520880/image.png?ex=655e9198&is=654c1c98&hm=405ff446d62caa4c00d988dfc3c1b3c2d67802a939cb4170c7a366e171a9889b&

[fading bane]

we got 4 evokers going into this tier

i think 2x are aug 2x are deva

[left perch]

yea but target dummy go boom

[sly iris]

is it ok to break the current 4pc for 440 item level upgrades?

[clever belfry]

playing more than 2 aug is so cringe

but its REALLY good

[fading bane]

ye i think 2 is cap p much

but u need 2

[clever belfry]

sim

[left perch]

Doubt it, wait for 2pc. You could sim tho

[stable gulch]

We stay cshb till we get set right

[fading bane]

you never drop CSHB

[slim coral]

They should make it so Aug only buffs dmg and doesn’t get their dmg converted as their own

That would make it an actual support

[fading bane]

i think

they should delete

the spec

[fast osprey]

They should delete aug

[left perch]

They don’t get their damage converted to theirs

[fading bane]

didnt they say that they plan to make more supoprt spec

pls no

[left perch]

That’s WCL

[slim coral]

They do

In details

[left perch]

in game?

[slim coral]

No

[fast osprey]

I'm on Dev this tier because we're too melee heavy and I'd rather get benched than play aug

[clever belfry]

latest update was "maybe not"

[slim coral]

In WCL

[fading bane]

thank fuck

[left perch]

ok so we made addons to make it worse than blizzard made it

[fading bane]

rework aug for next exp pls

[left perch]

Love that for ourselves

[slim coral]

Aug is the peak of wow gameplay

[light marsh]

Aug?

[left perch]

it’s a nickname we gave Xantaga

[light marsh]

Oh, lol.

[stable gulch]

Am i seeing this correctly, are we going to use slam?

[left perch]

#fury message

[young swan]

?

[stable gulch]

That's what i saw

Was trying to get it confirmed

[left perch]

we pressin it

[stable gulch]

Ew kk

Ty

[winter shoal]

We will play annihilator with t31, it's not as cringe as it was before 10.2

[left perch]

Oh hey, Mr Peak of WoW gameplay himself.

[winter shoal]

Log onto PTR and test out the new tier set if you want, it's not bad

[stable gulch]

We don't change our talents before we get tier right

[left perch]

Xantauga

[winter shoal]

Change with 2p2p

[stable gulch]

Kk ty

[winter shoal]

I'll be playing arms til 4p personally

[rotund steppe]

same

also prob in m+

[modest condor]

you can change with 2p2p but depending on your stats it may barely be a dps increase at all

im personally probably just gonna change once i get 4p

as in

stay 4p t30 until i have 4p

[winter shoal]

Are you an arms hater Silm

[modest condor]

if you do decide to play 2p2p then you should go annihilator

yes

[winter shoal]

Fair and based

[slim coral]

What if I decide to go 6pc

[modest condor]

wrong discord server

[fading bane]

i wont catalyst or use my curio before i get the other pieces, so ill never paly 2pc 2pc prob

[half cargo]

[fading bane]

but i also assume i get it after heroic normal

did they mention btw

if curios are affected

the same as tier tokens

[slim coral]

2 piece from Abberus 4 piece from Amedrissil

[fading bane]

you could do that in legion i think

cus cloak was a tier piece

[gilded pawn]

I need gold

[fading bane]

or am i misremembering

[spice vine]

SAME

[gilded pawn]

From liquids big wallet

[winter shoal]

I'm not cooked right there are only 5 tier slots?

[olive wraith]

2/2 arms might be big

[spice vine]

well u gotta sign up for them splits

and then u can embarass me in front of the whole guild by gapping me

[pearl cradle]

is there a way to farm whelpling crest?

[gilded pawn]

2% dps loss in sims I believe

[olive wraith]

Seeds I think

[fading bane]

arms loses dps using 2pc 2pc

assuming same ilvl

[olive wraith]

Oh is it? With the fob build?

[winter shoal]

Is that regardless of ilvl?

[fading bane]

it will be better prob because of ilvl increase

[gilded pawn]

Ofc not

But normal tier wouldn’t be a dps up

[flint narwhal]

has anyone simed the 450 versions of the paradoxal trinkets that are on the 450 upgrade track?

simmed*

[fading bane]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1exJeu5eVe4bTmyg3WFx5PTxIWvDLi0j-WW-XWpGoG88/htmlview#

can see it on shet

[winter shoal]

Isn't the sheet fake

[fading bane]

148k 4pc t30

[winter shoal]

According to silm

[gilded pawn]

Sheet is real

[fading bane]

145k 2pc 2pc

[gilded pawn]

For fury is somewhat fake

[winter shoal]

It was comparing t30 with anni vs t31 with anni or something

[fading bane]

i cant speak for other specs

what is wrong with fury sim

i checked it, and didnt see anything bad

except maybe the stat profile

[gilded pawn]

No it’s fine on here

At least it’s fine now

0-4 is fake news

[fading bane]

my own sims gave like 7.3% upgrade

[gilded pawn]

4-2-4 is real news

[fading bane]

4pc to 4pc

same ilvl

[modest condor]

it's only the 0p -> 4p one that's misleading

[fading bane]

i would never look at 0 - 4

its just so irrelevant

no one will go from 0 tier to 4pc

unless u didnt play last tier

but even then, u did no prep whatsoever if thats the case

[modest condor]

also 4p -> 2p2p seems to be pretty heavily affected by how much haste you have

[fading bane]

i think i simmed it

[modest condor]

since you go from a build that wants all the haste to a build that wants none of it

[fading bane]

lemme see if i have it

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nnA5nji7GHeLv83oHephdD

1.6% gain

might be more if i chose different tier pieces

[modest condor]

insane

[winter shoal]

Making sure I'm reading this right, 2p2p < t30 4p (3.5k diff) < t31 4p (2.2k difference)?

[fading bane]

this is only 2pc 2pc sim

t30 4p < t31 2pc t30 2pc (2.2k)

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kCJcrT6j92UqT31zfNzxL9 this is 4pc

but now it doesnt show the t30 sim cus its too low 😡

[winter shoal]

Still sims lower than arms tho xdd

[fading bane]

by like 5k ye

i also got nerfed beacon in this

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/grhVyM39wRRcoyS7RGJHBb

here you see 4pc t30, 2pc 2pc and 4pc t31

2pc = 2.6%, 4pc = 7.3%

[silent gazelle]

the fuck happened to unholy

[fading bane]

idk

its not good

i know that much

[dark flower]

i prefer a 10pc spicy nug tbh

[pearl cradle]

is there a cap for whelpling dreaming crest im planning to use to for gear to catchup i never played 10.1

[slim coral]

Found my route into liquid let’s go

[spice vine]

ez

[gilded pawn]

I do have a log of me beating jpc in 9.2

[fading bane]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/w91fK19bZoMvCjVnQvB3j2 optimised my gear and resimmed 4pc, and now its 9%. this shit bouncing up and down perma

i will be using this as reference for tier prio

[modest condor]

also check double wafting devotion

[fading bane]

what about it

[modest condor]

probably higher dps than sophic wafting

[fading bane]

i read wrong

thought u meant "double check"

[modest condor]

lol

[fading bane]

i read both words, and my brain said

it goes this way

like 50 dps diff

for my current, simming with 4pc rn

sophic + wafting won with t31

[oak crest]

how optimistic we feeling going into next week as fury warriors?

[rotund steppe]

arms is pog

[oak crest]

is arms slappin?

[sullen dove]

arms slappin rn in the pre-week but fury tier > arms tier so it evens out a bit once you get 4pc

doesnt rly matter which you play im sure arms will have some better fights just like fury will

[fading bane]

arms has 1 week

[sullen dove]

[slim coral]

Make sure you put those in the guild applications

[small rapids]

should i double xp my tokens or just keep seed grinding with double xp , i want to have augment rune by next tuesday

[sullen dove]

uh doesnt rly matter what you double xp right now cause its the same rep at the end of the day, tho some people are in the camp of holding tokens until thurs next week for 19% extra rep buff from anniversary

[sudden tusk]

supposdily

[sullen dove]

but like it is important you want to try and send a 2.5k token on the cusp of renown 10

[sudden tusk]

on the 19th theres a 10% from the thanksgiving shit too

but idk if it stacks

[sullen dove]

like just before it, so you get full double value on that and basically slingshot you from renown 9.99 to 12

[spare cypress]

Is it okay to use one 2 hander and one 1 hander? or is it only okay for both of the same?

[sullen dove]

idk how it works if you have 1 of each but i presume its bad and either have 2 2hand or 2 1hand

[rotund steppe]

i wonder how m+ will be

[sullen dove]

idk if you have a like comparison to sim see how far its fallen, or if you just dont have 2 of each

[oak crest]

I wonder how sustained AOE will be in M+ without anger man

[rotund steppe]

ill go arms or fury depending if the axe looks cool alone or in pair

[sullen dove]

its obv gonna look better with 2

[analog kite]

how do i get dreamsurge coalescence?

[sullen dove]

holy

[rotund steppe]

i was thinking of combining with another weap

[sullen dove]

i think its just from doing anything in a zone with the dreamsurge up

flying through green orbs, doing world quests, killing rares

etc

[rotund steppe]

talking of rares

[sullen dove]

firemourne shadowmourne combo

could go hard

[rotund steppe]

anyone noticed how low the rare spawn rate its in the dream?

[chilly fractal]

I’ve never looked at my Warrior and thought “You know only having 1 giant weapon would look so much cooler”

[sullen dove]

yea ive never thought that but i think like ive felt the reverse, where there are just some weapons i dont think i could use on arms

mostly 2 handed maces

that shit would be so awkward as arms cause most of them are so stubby and you hold them so high up the shaft

but like axes/swords are plenty fine on both arms and fury

[chilly fractal]

I do wish we could mog down to 1 handers sometimes

[sudden tusk]

considering we dont get 3 yards as a passive may as well have 1 handers

[sullen dove]

"yea rogues have lanky arms and thats why they have a 3 yard longer range than us wielding daggers" 🤓

fuck off

[delicate burrow]

Does anyone who uses Luxthos weakauras know how to set abilities like recklessness to just stay grey instead of stay glowing and lit up while youre buffed by them?

[winged vale]

therell be a condition for a glow when the trigger is active, find that and uncheck the box

itll be something like that

[delicate burrow]

Right now I want Ravager to just go grey and show CD instead of staying lit up and glowing while its doing its damage, do you know what one it would be under

[winged vale]

i think 5

i cant tell without seeing the triggers though

[delicate burrow]

unchecking that removes the glow but it still stays lit up for its duration instead of going grey and showing CD time

[winged vale]

might be 1 too then

[elder oasis]

Has there been any news on if SMF is viable yet?

[delicate burrow]

1 is if glows when off CD

[olive wraith]

It’s a big dps loss

[elder oasis]

😓

[winged vale]

can you dm me the import string for ravager and ill just go through it and try get it how you want

[olive wraith]

There is a 1h with a really good effect

So you may be able to even it out a little bit but titans grip is overall better

[elder oasis]

Yea I figured as much. I was just hoping beyond hope that we would get closer with the new patch

[olive wraith]

I mean you could always play it.

[serene vessel]

This patch is probably the closest its been dps wise, but it will simply always be inadequate

[olive wraith]

2 wasted talent points feels bad

[serene vessel]

the talent would have to literally give you more damage than 2 2hers does

because you have to waste talent points for it

[fading bane]

If they want smf to even be close

There needs to be a 2 choice node with TG and SMF

[elder oasis]

I just hate that it’s an option but it can’t compete no matter how hard you try. Rather they get rid of it this point.

[gilded pawn]

ye

so TG needs to cost a point as well as SMF

because not only is SMF weaker

it costs and extra point

[gilded pawn]

blizzard specifically doesnt want it to be good

they made sure of it on df beta

it was good for like a solid 2 weeks

which is like an eternity in real time

[verbal ravine]

I personally hate the 10.2. Rotation. Tried it today, feels clunky. I cant believe i wrote that for a fury build

[gilded pawn]

theres at least some nuance now

there has not been nuance in fury rotation for 3 patches now

ever since 9.2 it has been "jam bt and press rampage when it lights up"

with a little break in 10.0 where you spend your CB stacks before pressing ramp

[verbal ravine]

They should just revert the bb/bt cd change so we dont get downtime, it feels horrible in m+

[gilded pawn]

sounds like you are mismanaging your rotation

[winged vale]

^

there should be very little downtime

[gilded pawn]

sounds like you need hekili

[upbeat plume]

there anywhere to look at the different 2pc and 4pc set bonus values I know there was a preliminary spreadsheet a bit ago

[winged vale]

the most i ever had to wait was like half a gcd

if that

[gilded pawn]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1exJeu5eVe4bTmyg3WFx5PTxIWvDLi0j-WW-XWpGoG88/htmlview

thsi is the best we got

[upbeat plume]

thank you sir yeah I remember alot of it was still very rough

[verbal ravine]

Well that half a gcd feels bad considering its fury

[gilded pawn]

this is fairly accurate from what i see

sounds like you need more haste

remember you have another 39 ilevels ahead of you

[olive wraith]

What’s empty gcd

[onyx fox]

I heard Echo used some sort of Character faction change that allowed them to reset their quests so they could get renown 20. Is there any validity behind this?

[gilded pawn]

yo

0.2 seconds

in a 5 minute sim

rough

fury is essentially arms now

[olive wraith]

Literally unplayable

[gilded pawn]

thats fked up man

[olive wraith]

It’s actually funny that’s kinda true though

Fury has more buttons in aoe

Arms just

[gilded pawn]

well furys identity has always been ST+WW

arms AOE identity is still messy to this tday

[olive wraith]

This week arms just spams ww

It’s fun being a beyblade

[dense elbow]

If you swap between alliance and horde, as I am told, the quest chain resets. But you keep the progress. Pay to win. I will be corrected if wrong

[candid falcon]

i heard there was another trinket nerf?

[olive wraith]

Ya there were a couple

[fast crest]

cleave used to be a thing

[olive wraith]

Ya s1

[dense elbow]

Cleave and arms felt nice, almost as smooth as fury on AoE Fury more fun tho

[gilded pawn]

10.0 arms had the issue of absolutely shitting on their st damage to do aoe

and arms was only good in uncapped

[dense elbow]

Felt good tho, numbers aside

Kinda like how OF has been

[gilded pawn]

yeah i did like that every other button press didnt matter too much

[dense elbow]

Hey, the hero talents will fix arms, don't worry

[gilded pawn]

i think they need to make baseline WW to hit harder

[sharp tartan]

The season of discovery runes will fix arms don't worry

[gilded pawn]

we have not pressed WW to do aoe naturally in 2 expacs

it always had to be buffed by something

[dense elbow]

We as in fury, or arms?

[gilded pawn]

arms

[dense elbow]

Sir, this is Fury, you arms boys ain't we

[gilded pawn]

arms needs either MBG or SoS to do damage

fury ww doesnt need to do damage

speakding of fury

[sharp tartan]

This boy has been trolling the prot disco and has now moved onto the fury

[gilded pawn]

fury should have the ww cleave damage attributed to ww

like blade dance

[dense elbow]

I agree, but it should feel fun with SFX and animation

Swoshvswoshswosh, bis

[gilded pawn]

ye

[sharp tartan]

I think the ww animation is one of the best in the game?

[gilded pawn]

its pretty nice

arms WW feels pretty impactful

its just not impactful

[dense elbow]

It is up there, Full moon tho

[gilded pawn]

for some reason fury ww has the exact same animation but feels less impactul

[dense elbow]

Or ultimate penance

[gilded pawn]

possibly because it doesnt spend rage

[sharp tartan]

Chickens will always win

[onyx fox]

@dense elbowdoes it work for the entire completed story quests or is it only partially completed story quests?

[gilded pawn]

im sorry i actually know about this class

[dense elbow]

No clue, I just smh

It is 200 euro worth of resets, all I cared to note

[sharp tartan]

@dense elbow would you know, do our builder pro change in s3. Say your have 20 rage, and onslaught, sudden death exicute and a >95%crit bt is ready, what do you send in what order:

[gilded pawn]

nothing changes if you are running current tier set

[dense elbow]

essay

[gilded pawn]

if you are running next tier set you would have neither 95% bt nor onslaught

[sharp tartan]

In current tier (s2)

[dense elbow]

You don't use OS next season, if that is what you asking

[sharp tartan]

No I understand but for week 1 with no s3 tier

[severe pine]

Will the new tier set and build result in enrage getting dropped more often?

[dense elbow]

Play normal prio order

Nothing changed

[sharp tartan]

ty

[gilded pawn]

theoretically yes

but remember you are pressing BT more

and BT has a chance to enrage

from the additional secondary stats you'll probably enrage just as much

[dense elbow]

If only we could take BD and TR

[edgy widget]

enrage uptime is like 99% in sim; a regular fight shouldn't have trouble maintaining it

[olive wraith]

arms is literally spamming ww now though

[edgy widget]

though a random pull rage starved and with no cds might feel off

[dense elbow]

Archi, best ability animation in the game, shoot

[half cargo]

Sweeped Condemn

[dense elbow]

Did it have its own effect? Sounds cool for sure if so

[half cargo]

It swung horizontally instead

With a vicious sound effect

Just felt chunky af

I’m also a fan of druids dropping literal planets on targets

[dense elbow]

I mean, sure, why not? Anyone against will make it heard shortly

[half cargo]

If you look up a venthyr arms pov of huntsman altimor, you can see it

[gilded pawn]

The greatest condemn fight of all time

[half cargo]

[silk wharf]

Which healing thunderstrike does more hps?

[gilded pawn]

Wtf

[silk wharf]

Lol

Gotta be the best I can be you know

[orchid fable]

should i upgrade a 2H Weapon from a quest to 463 ilvl?

[silk wharf]

if yo uwant to sure. im thinking about doing it

itll up my hps numbers

[dense elbow]

Same answer as last time

[left perch]

man the 450 tier piece thing is dope

for alts

[dense elbow]

+1

[prime summit]

We’re saved

[lunar summit]

What u mean?

[left perch]

dreamsurge & time rift gear is 428 on the adventure track. Upgrade to 450, then catalyze it.

2 this week, 2 next week; easy 4pc 450 alts

[rigid stirrup]

thats hella hella 5head

[rocky wharf]

so if i dont play alts and have them stocked. could just use that on main on some season 2 set?

[upbeat plume]

if I recall the open world gear cant be used in the catalyst

[left perch]

right, only the weekly reward you purchase from the vendor

[lavish sage]

are there any 10.2 guides

oph wowheads live

pok cool

[left perch]

do surge, get cocoon, get 428 piece, upgrade, catalyze; repeat next reset

same for time rift

[fast crest]

can you still catalyze that after next week ?

wont it switch to s3

[wanton mirage]

its already S3

[fast crest]

right, but this week i think you can still catalyze the 450 track gear to s2 tier

after next week wouldn't that go away? and then 450 gear can't be catalyzed to s3 tier

[small rapids]

Being renown 14 right now am i gaurenteed tuesday forsure now

[wanton mirage]

nope its already S3 now iirc

[left perch]

I guess it could change but I don’t see why it would. The time rift and dreamsurge gear are on s2 track; the world and quest 450s I have are on s3. So they want the catalyst thing I don’t have.

it would be weird of them to let you catalyze a 428 item into t31

It would be weirder if that item at 428 was s2, but at 450 next week was s3.

[compact knot]

this doesnt have a cd btw

tested it

so yes it benefits from dancing blades and windfury totem, seems to be a really good item, not sure about the healing friends part though, but id assume it also doesnt have a icd

procced it 4 times in 15 seconds for a 200k shield while killing a rare

[gilded pawn]

It’s 1.5+haste ppm

Not based on attack speed

You just got lucky

[compact knot]

how is it adding haste, what is the math behind that

[gilded pawn]

It’s just standard procedure

If you have 20% haste

You get 1.5*1.2

Which is 1.8 procs

[compact knot]

ic

that stacks with enrage right

[gilded pawn]

99% of procs don’t get affected by attack speed

Yes works with enrage

[compact knot]

it still is affected by attack speed in a way though right?

just not overall procs

[lavish sage]

what should i do b4 raid next week

im not grinding rep

[compact knot]

req grind is a waste, just get all your drake crests and all your pieces

[lavish sage]

all my pieces?

[compact knot]

like weekly pieces i mean

[lavish sage]

i dont get what u mean

[compact knot]

should be 3 i believe from emerald dream

from weekly quests

[lavish sage]

what track

[compact knot]

veteran

441-463

[lavish sage]

is that even worth it lol

[compact knot]

its legit free shit

[lavish sage]

im 448 and going to do heroic on tues

[compact knot]

20 mins of work

lol

time rift trinket is also very good

[lavish sage]

which

[compact knot]

let me check rq

they all got increased to 450 ilvl

[lavish sage]

i think i got all my veteran pieces already

none of them seem worth upgrading over whati have lol

[compact knot]

what trinkets u got rn

[lavish sage]

i have literally all of the bis fury trinkets at 447

[compact knot]

shalamayne one btw, was a 0.7% increase over sandglass for me

from time rift

single target

[lavish sage]

ill check it out

[compact knot]

can sim rn if u want

[fast crest]

*doomhammer

[compact knot]

its all on simbots

doomhammer if your horde

[gilded pawn]

No not really

You may get 0.1 more procs in 5 minutes with windfury

[lavish sage]

i love that this keeps happeing

good game

[gilded pawn]

But that’s variance

[compact knot]

ic

the healing version felt very good, i had it at 447 and healed 1 million to friends in 4 mins, put it up to 463 and equip 2 thatll be around 2.5 million i think

stat wise its not bad either, high mastery low haste

[gilded pawn]

Yeah prob good for early prog

[compact knot]

if your lucky enough to get 2, i havent seen anyone else with another one

[glass kelp]

Reached level 55 and till now im loving fury. Rotation is straight forward. Hope i dont change my mind when i reach level 70 😂😅

[lavish sage]

ah

i only have two veteran items

one is a neck and its dog and the other isa claok which is worse than my voice

[compact knot]

my vet items where bad besides the wep

[lavish sage]

maybe i can get shoulders

[compact knot]

weapon is cracked

[lavish sage]

or wep

wep would be cool

[gilded pawn]

Oh rotation is anything but straight forward after tier set

[lavish sage]

what trinkets are you talking about

the adventurer track ones ?

[glass kelp]

😞

[compact knot]

your not buying these ones, but with the dialated time pod

[lavish sage]

aight

[compact knot]

the panda sitting on a broken pot

shi everbreeze

[glass kelp]

I mean is it really going to be this hard ?

[light stump]

? We even have one less button than now? How is it anything but straightforward?

[glass kelp]

Im new to fury this is why i was asking

[sullen dove]

i mean its more complicated than season 2

[light stump]

You sometimes don’t press rampage right away, you have an extra cooldown

[sullen dove]

whether or not there are more buttons

(and there are more buttons than season 2)

[lavish sage]

1 more button ?

[sullen dove]

you lose raging blow and onslaught, and gain odyns fury/slam/whirlwind single target

[light stump]

And ravager

[lavish sage]

i have to use fucking slam now?

[sullen dove]

o yea

[lavish sage]

NOOO

[sullen dove]

that

noooo slaaaam

[light stump]

Check pins

[sullen dove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898695696482305/1162706399709634640/74cd8f4572fcafc270bfc2b607bbfdce.png?ex=65589937&is=65462437&hm=911aafbeb743f8370f4017f4706f9b34cf84e1d934a69a2a2b6205d770e92d7d&

[lavish sage]

LOL

[idle oriole]

Did I just wake up to more tier set slander

[lavish sage]

whats the rotation now

[idle oriole]

Do not make me get the belt

[sullen dove]

also you do kind of have to seperate recklessness from avatar instead of hitting them together like normal, so technically another sole button press there

[gilded pawn]

It’s not hard

[sullen dove]

but thats mainly for opener and they probably line up later in the fight

[lavish sage]

i need to watch a video

[gilded pawn]

It’s just less straight forward than holding down rb

[idle oriole]

Blodbath > ramage > blodbath > rampage ... 50%+ of the time in st

[glass kelp]

Why i dont see slam shown on the rotation page on wowhead ? 😂

[sullen dove]

like 20% of the time when you have reck up

[gilded pawn]

Yeah if you can loop bb rampage

[idle oriole]

Whenever you do not have rage to make that happen or in excecute it is slightly different

[gilded pawn]

You paid for pi

[idle oriole]

Wrong

That loop is gonna happen a lot

[gilded pawn]

You just have to juggle all your small cds properly

[lavish sage]

are there any good videos out yet

[idle oriole]

No they all blow

[lavish sage]

oh well im not going to need to change what im doing until i have 4pc anyway

[unreal onyx]

Does juggle mean just send on CD like S2?

[gilded pawn]

Well you gotta try and keep everything on cd

[sullen dove]

most of the time but there are situations you prio bt before rampage for example

[light stump]

Wowhead still on T30 , new rotation with new tier

[gilded pawn]

It’s like playing ret pal in a way

[idle oriole]

(Yes)

[arctic raft]

Can you macro anything together? Like OF and avatar?

[idle oriole]

You no longer play anger management so everything lines up nicely unless you play 60 sec roar

[sullen dove]

not really any gain to macro things anymore i dont think

[idle oriole]

Definetly not OF and avatar you want to space them

OF will give you avatar so you do not want to overlap that

[sullen dove]

well i mean, you could maybe keep a macro avatar and reck, so aside from the opener where you press reck first it'll just line up afterwards

[arctic raft]

I thought it added to the duration?

[sullen dove]

you overlap the of dot, and dancing blades dot

you will clip some dancing blades but as less as possible

[gilded pawn]

Yeah you don’t want to overlap dancing blades

[sullen dove]

dot more important

[gilded pawn]

Avatar extends properly

[idle oriole]

Ohh nice

Think you send reck on pull with OF

[sullen dove]

ya

[idle oriole]

Then avatar spear aftwerwards

[gilded pawn]

Yeah that’s the consensus

[sullen dove]

precharge if you want for more rage

not like you particularly need reck after the first 10 seconds anyway

and its like a 16sec buff or something no

[idle oriole]

Yea just to get enraged faster

[sullen dove]

its just kind of a "get you going" button and not so much of an actual important button

[arctic raft]

Man I wish we still used AM

[lavish sage]

alright i need to read about this

seems like a lot changed lol

[idle oriole]

And you are gonna be proccing the +4 sec reck atleast once in the opener most likely

[gilded pawn]

Yeah it’s a download hekili angle

[lavish sage]

no thats for scrubs

[idle oriole]

I think what is gonna confuse people is that the value of buttons have changed, especially in ST

[gilded pawn]

Liquid warrior secretly using hekili

[idle oriole]

Being overcapped on rage and you still do not press rampage will feel weird for some time

[gilded pawn]

You aren’t too good for it

[lavish sage]

WHAT

[idle oriole]

Yea blodbath takes prio in every scenario

add excecute to that list in excecute phase

[gilded pawn]

Didn’t know exec>ramp

[idle oriole]

(unless you have tier up) then you go BB > rampage untill all 3 stacks have been used

[idle oriole]

Only in excecute with massacre and ashen talented

[sullen dove]

theres like, next to 0 chance theres any situation where you are at 130 rage and havent pressed bb yet

that is beyond cooked

[keen moon]

Or you are not enraged?

[idle oriole]

And only in ST no MT

[arctic raft]

Do we not bother switching builds until 4pc?

[gilded pawn]

2p

[arctic raft]

Or do we do 2set/2set

[sullen dove]

you can switch at 2pc

[idle oriole]

I princinple yes

[arctic raft]

Kk

[idle oriole]

But you are always enraged

So that condtion litteraly does not matter in excecute

Excecute phase will largley be a 3 button cirlce between Bloodbath > excecute > rampage repeat

So tracking whether you are enraged in that loop does not really matter as you always will be

[lavish sage]

where do i get the veteran track item

i only have 2

[idle oriole]

The if enraged condition is largely a relic from when the APL wanted to priotise sudden death proccs over rampage

As you want to make sure you only use your sudden death proccs when enraged

[lavish sage]

man

im not gonna like learning the new rotation

lol

[idle oriole]

Think once you start hitting people with 400k bloodbaths you will start to like it

But there is a little getting used to

[blazing basin]

What talents are ppl running for pre-2/4p after the changes?

[oblique trail]

The same am/os/ravager build from s2

[blazing basin]

okay ty

[errant vessel]

Don’t you Reck+Charge->Ramp->OF->Spear->…->Avatar (when previous avatar falls off)?

[eternal sundial]

Just go check apl

[oblique trail]

It is

It's reck + charge -> rampage -> OF -> Spear -> BB -> Rampage -> BB -> Rampage -> Avatar -> Bloodbath -> Rampage -> Etc etc

[idle oriole]

Yea that is what the apl states right now but I do not know how many other iterations of the opener have been itterated with

You want as many empowered BB's inside your spear as possible as they are guarenteed crits

While also maintaining avatar

Word on the block is that avatar extends the avatar from OF (Opposite of if the minor avatar was generated from reck as it is now which overwrites it)

If that is not fake news I could definetly see a case for reck + charge > rampage > OF > Avatar > spear instead

As that might allow one more enhanced BB inside spear window

[oblique trail]

You massively clip your bleed if you do that

So you wont

[silk wharf]

Should I run the selfish shield on the winter polearm or the heal others?

[idle oriole]

Clipping your bleed might be worth ST

[oblique trail]

You delay the Avatar to get the max value of your OF bleed and that bit extra from DB, although DB isn't as important as the bleed

[idle oriole]

If it means one of your BB

doing 100k more dmg

[oblique trail]

But you gain nothing from using Avatar there

[idle oriole]

Or does the OF from avatar not procc global?

[oblique trail]

The OF from avatar does not use a global

[idle oriole]

Ahh okay then I understand thanks

Never play the annihalitor build only been doing apl on it so there is a few interactions I do not know 😅

[rocky wharf]

gonna take some time to understand OF and when it means what 😄

[winged vale]

Odyn's Fans

[bold osprey]

Is there any option I need to put when simming the Allied Wrists? Wanted to switch 1 of my shadowflame parts and replace 447 wrists with the vers 463 ones. Simming about 1k less on ST. I guess thats normal since im still S2 talent and gear wise but wanted to ask about any option I do not know like "Calc with X allies in range"

[oblique trail]

Sims have max stacks at like 95% uptime

[winged vale]

nah it assumes max allies

[bold osprey]

Ok 🙂

[oblique trail]

There are probably lines you can add to force specific number of allies but don't know them

[winged vale]

^

[oblique trail]

Not that they're important anyway

Since you'll have max stacks at all times because the range is very generous

[bold osprey]

I guess you are waiting for the 2nd spark to get the weapon right? :p I know I know the 100000 times some dude asked this

[oblique trail]

No, I'll make 2 embellishments first

But I'll also be raiding Mythic and spamming m+, so making a weapon is pointless

If you'll do neither at all, then a weapon is a potential, albeit sorta lower, priority

[bold osprey]

Oh okay. Nah wanted to hard grind m+ and at least clear nhc and hc the first ID for the set to get stared on mythic.
Anything I missed or why is it "pointless"? Going for the hard leggo okay but what about the 2nd weapon?

[oblique trail]

It's pointless because you have to use 2 sparks for a weapon, which arguably is a big waste of sparks when you can just farm for a weapon that'll do the same for you as that crafted weapon, where as embellishments give unique effects on top of the stats they already give

And the 2nd weapon you can upgrade without using aspects when you have just one 2handed weapon of higher ilvl, and it'll only cost flightstones

Perks of being a Fury warrior

[bold osprey]

Ah I see the guide now. Thought we are dropping the shadowflame but we are not. 😄 So crafting the back with the new spark would be an option

[oblique trail]

Versa wrists + Shadowflame on cloak is the proposed first setup yes

Personally I'm waiting till raid week with crafting anything

Since they're still tuning a few things, and I wouldn't be surprised if they do a final touch-up on embellishments

[bold osprey]

yeah just wanted to squeeze out some ilvls with that 450 set pieces over the the 447

[burnt stone]

[unreal onyx]

Delete aug

When does the patch for that drop

[slim coral]

delete tom

[unreal onyx]

Delete dn

[junior gale]

Tom over here like

[paper charm]

Are there many changes coming out of S2 to talents/rotation prior to getting S3 tier set while using S2 tier set? Or it's mostly business as usual until tier set?

[oblique trail]

It's the same until you have 2p

At 2p you swap over to the new Annihilator build

[paper charm]

So basically once we get 2p we move down the left side instead of right side

[oblique trail]

More than you did already but yes

There are builds in the pins or on wowhead for when you need it

[paper charm]

Thanks 🙏

[lyric sluice]

So we continue to run the t30 build until we get 2/4p t31?

[oblique trail]

Until 2p, yes

[toxic grove]

I love aug

[oblique trail]

[unreal onyx]

[sullen dove]

[errant vessel]

Should you save Drake and Whelp crests for specific things or should you just send

[molten wing]

Whelps i used to just craft some 447 pieces since i was stuck with some 437s

drakes you could probably save up

[radiant coyote]

IIRC you save them as they can be upgraded

[lucid tiger]

should I ignore SD procs in the spear window?

[oblique trail]

Generally speaking yes, since your Bloodbaths will hit harder than Execute when you have the set buff active

[errant vessel]

If Ashen buff is falling off, I'm pretty sure it's prioritized above everything else though

[oblique trail]

Yes, if Ashen is about to fall off you refresh it

But generally you should be able to maintain it both before and after a Spear window, since Ashen lasts for 15 seconds

So it's going to be a non-issue in most cases