fury

[sudden tusk]

ill be in 2025 rolling for my shadowflame shards

[chrome plover]

np

[south kayak]

personal

[idle oriole]

@mossy fox Did you try spear in m+ with the new fury tier?

[mossy fox]

no and i wont

[idle oriole]

Fair enough

[sudden tusk]

spear just doesnt do enough with how you ahve to pull in M+

[idle oriole]

It is looking strong on paper

[south kayak]

not even enough crests

[sudden tusk]

though people seem to be cooking with arms atm idk what will be better

[idle oriole]

What do you mean?

[south kayak]

what's better for st, arms or fury

[sudden tusk]

Roar is uncapped and doesnt reduce damage beyond 5 targets

[idle oriole]

Negelible difference with the reduction in furys reliance on uptime

[sudden tusk]

and 1min cd and it increases your bleed effects

OF/roar/ and gushing wound all benefit from going roar

only in Pure ST does spear see use becuase of our new burst window with the tier set

[idle oriole]

You still get value of the spear crit tier combo in aoe

[south kayak]

isn't the BT damage bonuns only on primary target

[oblique trail]

Sure but higher chance you wont be able to make use of the crit bonus in M+

[idle oriole]

Spear is complety shitting on roar between 1 to 5 targets regardless of the bleed dmg inc

[oblique trail]

Due to you moving around a lot more than the average boss fight

[sudden tusk]

if you like spear go for it man

[idle oriole]

In sims that is

[sudden tusk]

but when you start doing 26+ you have to pull big

and thr throughput of roar is just way better then spear at that point

[idle oriole]

Doubt roar overtakes spear before 8+ targets

[sudden tusk]

roar also buffs your OF damage by 15%

[idle oriole]

I know

[sudden tusk]

the 2 set buffs it an additional 50%

[idle oriole]

Which is why I was suprised roar was so much worse in sims

[sudden tusk]

its gonna do big dam

[late cape]

The issue with spear is still that you need eye surgery after playing with it for 30 minutes

[sudden tusk]

sims are generally single target

[idle oriole]

I expected the 15% bleed to make roar way better

[idle oriole]

I am talking 5 target sim

[sudden tusk]

like 5 consistant or dungeon slice

[idle oriole]

5 min 5 target spear is 30k ish ahead

[sudden tusk]

it makes sense its just way harder to use and unrealistic at a certain point

on paper it looks better but to actually use it is probably infeasable depending on the pull/ encounter

[chrome plover]

"completely shitting on it" idk if 1-2% is considered that

freedom of roar more than makes up for it in a lot of cases in m+ with heavy movement

[sudden tusk]

I've seen people play spear over roar on sark and do well as an example

[idle oriole]

6%*

[sudden tusk]

but if its close enough it'll just be down to preferance

[idle oriole]

I played roar on Rashok before buffs lol

I love roar

But when people come and ask whether to play roar or spear

[sudden tusk]

before roar was buffed spear was fairly ahead

[idle oriole]

Should be made clear that although awkward spear can be better in some scenarios

[chrome plover]

idk my ST sims put roar and spear within 0.5% of each other in my abberus gear

[sudden tusk]

only after the buffs was it within like 500 dps

and at that point just go roar and fuck it unless you want to parse

[chrome plover]

and roar pulled ahead on 5 targets

havent seen a sim where it was that much difference

[idle oriole]

Yea but my tanks had aids so risked losing spear value due to bad movement

[sudden tusk]

i mean generally outside of i think the 3min window the boss is hard planted for spear

or at least should be

but anywho its bedge time

🛏️

[idle oriole]

Not in world 2k+ guild

Sleep tight

[idle oriole]

I am talking about with new tier

And new talents

There is not really a case for spear in our current build

[chrome plover]

link sims please im surprised it's 6%

but even so spear is complete dogshit to play in keys compared to roar

[deep niche]

bruh just replace spear with necro banner

fck spear

[chrome plover]

real

talk

[silent burrow]

I think roar is like .8 behind spear in st

[south kayak]

what's the fastest way to get some whelpling crests

[molten wing]

fly in Ohnara Plains and collect the green balls

2 crests per ball

[south kayak]

aren't those balls rare

[late cape]

hihi he said balls

[south kayak]

[molten wing]

nah i capped from 0 to 90 in like 15-20 mins

[south kayak]

damn

nice

what about flightstones

[idle oriole]

Nvm seems I was wrong it is not that bad

[molten wing]

flightstones is the usual

[idle oriole]

APL is not adjusted for it but doubt it will ever be 5% in 5 targets

[molten wing]

just farm stuff

dungeons etc

[chrome plover]

is heroic megadungeon out?

or with season 3

cos that gives 250 flightstones per run

[south kayak]

it is

[red yew]

Are you sure

[chrome plover]

i wouldnt be surprised if spear sims a bit better in a full stationary 5 target sim but yeah good to know it's not 5%..

[red yew]

What if it's crazy bonkers good

[chrome plover]

(spoiler warning: it isnt)

[red yew]

Chawie

I am willing to bet you have NOT tried Spear with new tier

😡

[chrome plover]

#fury message

I've said it before and I'll say it again

[red yew]

LMAO

Based

[south kayak]

chawie knows the secret tech

[chrome plover]

wanna see my insane logs from last night's raid?

[idle oriole]

Let them suffer

They are not ready for the truth

[south kayak]

Sure

[chrome plover]

i am 10.2 survival genius

[oblique trail]

I still don't understand the point of these 5 min 5 target sims

[chrome plover]

(out of 4 people)

[south kayak]

very insane

[chrome plover]

rashok was rank 2 out of 2

0 log :/

[oblique trail]

They are so unrealistic and tell you basically nothing

[idle oriole]

Yea when will you ever be hitting 5 targets lol

Legit Narnia scenario

[oblique trail]

When will you ever be hitting 5 targets for 5 minutes while being able to stand completely still and do no mechanics

[idle oriole]

Do you think 5 min patchwerk is irrelevant aswell?

[oblique trail]

No but it's infinitely more applicable than 5 min 5 targets is

[cunning moth]

How much is dps gain for 2p and 4p looking ? Also in relation to other tier sets

[south kayak]

what boss has 5 min on 5 targets

[idle oriole]

Do not really see the difference between using 1 target for 5 min and 5 target for 5 min when it comes to optimizing dmg

Think they both are flawed in not considering movement downtime mechanics changes in targets etc.

[chrome plover]

there is a huge difference yeah

[idle oriole]

But it is nice to work with when figuring out rottation

[oblique trail]

Because one scenario has a way higher likelyhood of happening and the results of said scenario is way easier to apply to general use, compared to 5 min 5 targets

[chrome plover]

i did some napkin sims the other day and it was about 10% for 2p and 15% for both

(at my ilvl 448)

[oblique trail]

There is no world where you can take the results from 5 min 5 target sims and apply it to an actual raid fight or a m+ pull

Because there are no raid fights that will be close to that, and rarely an m+ pull where you'll be able to consistently stand still

[red yew]

[frosty scroll]

any good time rift trinkets worth getting?

[chrome plover]

#fury message

idk what trinkets you have

but i simmed them

vs mine

[frosty scroll]

just standard chromatic and anvil

[idle oriole]

@chrome plover 5 target 5 min full raid buff
Spear
90 sec roar
60 sec roar

4% increase on paper

[indigo quarry]

If you get more target roar will be even more diff

[errant vessel]

5 target 5 min sim is good for seeing which talents scale better on multitarget, no?

Don’t see the issue with using it

[oblique trail]

So it shows you Spear is better, that's good and all

But you will not be using Spear in 99.9% of cases in AoE due to many other factors

[chrome plover]

if they are 447 then time rift trinkets are bad

[frosty scroll]

alright, thanks mate

[idle oriole]

8 targets

[chrome plover]

how 97 when 90 is cap btw

do you get 50 from something that bypasses cap?

[maiden ingot]

Pretty sure it's every Crest from Quests and Renown turn ins

[oblique trail]

yes

[maiden ingot]

That don't count

[oblique trail]

renown track bypasses

[chrome plover]

ok ty

[errant vessel]

Ahh that makes sense

[oblique trail]

and yeah one or two quests gives that bypasses it too

[errant vessel]

Thought it was a visual bug as well

[idle oriole]

nvm we do a little trolling

active 2 is reduced cd roar

active 3 is 90 roar and current is spear in 8 targets

[fast gull]

Hi - i've been playing prot so don't know what the pre-tier set fury talents are. Can anyone advise?

[idle oriole]

5 targets

spear dream is dead, I go touch grass now

[chrome plover]

go to wowhead talents section

there's talents for all dif content with no tier and tier

[chrome plover]

gg

[fast gull]

I don't have access to wowhead at the moment. I'm having to play on a tethered mobile connection for another week and shockingly Vodafone have labelled Wowhead as adult content so it's blocked. It's a company phone so I can't remove the block 😦

[silent burrow]

Spear poopy

[chrome plover]

fuck vodafone they did that to me too

hahah

[fast gull]

Would you mind sharing the string for pre-tier m+/open world plz?

[chrome plover]

took me ages to get the block off just so i could use wowhead...

yeah 1 sec

[fast gull]

i've had a long running spat with them on twitter DM's about it - totally insane situation.

[violet trail]

Too many bowls of fruit on that site.

[chrome plover]

M+: BgEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEAAAAAAAAAAQggSCQEEiQSUgEiIRQIJplEJJhkQSIRKBIJSEAAAEQQA
Raid ST: BgEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEAAAAAAAAAAChIoEARQISQUgEiARSIJpFRSSQyBkkkEpEgkQEAAAAEE

[fast gull]

you are a total legend. Thanks so much.

[chrome plover]

np

[fast gull]

btw - i CAN reach IV. Is that ok or is wowhead the source of truth?

[rustic obsidian]

anyone got to renown 10 with alt already?

[chrome plover]

lots of people

[rustic obsidian]

rly 😄 i dont have anything else to do...no human...just darkmoon...still missing 1000rep to 10

and it would take 335 seeds of 5 rep to do 😄

[chrome plover]

hm

[silent burrow]

Are the seeds 5 now lol

[eternal sundial]

Racism diffed

L

[silent burrow]

Last night they were giving upwards of 1049 each lol

[chrome plover]

you get 250-500 rep 5 times per week now

[silent burrow]

Ah they capped it

makes sense lol

[rustic obsidian]

yeah got unlucky and got 5x275 only

[chrome plover]

IV should be up to date too yeah

archi maintains both

[forest rose]

we dont change to the new builds until we have tier right?

[chrome plover]

2p

[forest rose]

kk

thank you

[fast gull]

nice - thanks

[wind owl]

@rustic obsidian Did you do the 1k rep pvp quest in Valdrakken?

[rustic obsidian]

yep

[chrome plover]

did you do all 9 side quest chains

[rustic obsidian]

even bought contract, and did all WQ

yep, all quest...no human..still missing 1000rep 😄

[wind owl]

yeah either you grind the nerfed seeds

or just wait for daily resets

[rustic obsidian]

I need to start doing main 😄 😄

havent touched warrior yet

except for rared

[eternal sundial]

No u just wait for WQ ig?

[rustic obsidian]

rares

[chrome plover]

just wq reset then

that should get you at least 1k

[rustic obsidian]

yeah, thats just bulshit 😄

[chrome plover]

is it?

[wind owl]

Yep all you can do is wait for resets, prob not worth losing rep on main

[rustic obsidian]

why should human get it easier 😄

[chrome plover]

because blizzard games are racist

simple as

30% off race changes rn though

📈

[eternal sundial]

Racism 📈

Shoulda bought the expansion

And boosted one

[rustic obsidian]

props ye...

[silent burrow]

Chawie I regret to inform that I left the brotherhood of smol green men

[eternal sundial]

[chrome plover]

NO

[eternal sundial]

No way

[chrome plover]

HOW COUDL YOU

MY ONLY FRIEND

MY HEART

[silent burrow]

[rustic obsidian]

gonna afk seeds till gettin last 2 rares done...then I will buy contract and do WQ and rares on main... which should not lose any rep bonus right?

[steel copper]

Left the brotherhood for what

[deep niche]

9? i can see only 8 here https://www.worldofmoudi.com/get-your-augment-rune-on-first-week-of-season-3

[chrome plover]

yeah just do wqs on mains, you can do rares too but dont touch any of the weekly stuff

[wind owl]

yeah anything that is about to expire you should do on main

[rustic obsidian]

yep...wondering if the % bonus from r10 affects the contract bonus rep?

[wind owl]

It should I haven't really been looking

[chrome plover]

oh yeah mb the wrathion one is week 2

[steel copper]

Oh #twinsies I went human too

[eternal sundial]

Always been human

[silent burrow]

The diffy too big for me to not do it

[eternal sundial]

🧑‍🌾 🐮

[rustic obsidian]

thought it would be manageble...otherwise I would have gone for human alt boost

[steel copper]

Yeah I saw the free real estate for DPS by going human and the faction change was on sale

Seemed like a no brainer

[silent burrow]

same happened to me lol

And I know that is going to go up with more targets too

since it's just more secondaries

[eternal sundial]

I was human for this patch cuz i figured why be cow and hate urself

[silent burrow]

My paladin is cow and I hate it

[eternal sundial]

Now warri is the rep Slave

[eternal sundial]

I made my pala cow and havent logged into it in 4 months

Evil character

Vile appearance

[silent burrow]

hahaha

Dude it's the worst

[eternal sundial]

I dont want to relevel to 70

But i FUCKING DESPISE how he looks

[river reef]

no u

[silent burrow]

[rustic obsidian]

and what was the change with human racials?

[silent burrow]

No change with them

[eternal sundial]

1% on all stats

10% rep

Ez

[silent burrow]

2% on secondaries

[eternal sundial]

Oh is it 2

I forgor

[silent burrow]

you gain 2% more from all sources I should say

[river reef]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-catcry-gif-19131995

[eternal sundial]

Im 40 40 10 10 anyways

[rustic obsidian]

i have changed from horde > dwarf last season...dont wanna switch again..and the racial is very good 😄 😄

[eternal sundial]

Dwarf is good

[silent burrow]

But yeah with the additional ilvl, there's just more raw stats, so human scaling

[wind owl]

Dwarf GigaChad

[chrome plover]

42 42 12 12

[silent burrow]

dorf still very good

[eternal sundial]

Human generally overtakes end of exp

Always good race

[silent burrow]

And female human is mommy yano

[chrome plover]

scaling race for a scaling spec am i right?

[eternal sundial]

YOOO

[silent burrow]

S S S

[eternal sundial]

I SCALE WITH ARMOR

YIPPIE

[mossy fox]

40.8 40.8 10.2 10.2

[eternal sundial]

Protcake typing...

Crit did u do rep grind on an alt?

[mossy fox]

ya took just over 3 hours for renown 10 on alt

[silent burrow]

crit already has rune he's in next week

[mossy fox]

just followed guide with human and dmf

[rustic obsidian]

fck me..should have gone for the human

[clever path]

and now they giga nerfed it

[rustic obsidian]

😄

[clever path]

fun not allowed

[balmy shore]

i’m renown 6

[silent burrow]

I think I'm 5 but I only played for like 2 hours

if that

[rustic obsidian]

could have left on 20rep per seed tho

[balmy shore]

yea i haven’t played super long either

[mossy fox]

guildie of mine accidentally duped his 2.5k rep token

cause server died and rolled back so he was able to complete quest again or smt

[eternal sundial]

[silent burrow]

I'm finna be behind big time over next couple of weeks. Hosting big birthday party this weekend and cooking the day before for the party and a catering... then leaving country in like 12 days

They gonna have to turbo boost me

[chrome plover]

"accidentally"

[signal falcon]

Do you need renown 18 on your alts to buy the rune or is right to purchase account wide?

[chrome plover]

oh damn, real life comes first but that's bad timing

[mossy fox]

can purchase on alt as soon as you have 18 on 1 char

[silent burrow]

It ain't optimal lol

[signal falcon]

Nice ty

[silent burrow]

But at least it didn't release while I'm in mexico or something

Or like week 1 when I'm in mexico

I'm only going to miss 1 raid day... but missing out on a lot of like key farming and shit

[chrome plover]

I booked holiday for next weds-friday but our full company meeting is on wednesday

idk if my boss realised when she okayed my holiday

[balmy shore]

rip

[silent burrow]

she finna c

[chrome plover]

yeah im not going..

got keys to do

[balmy shore]

log in keys

[chrome plover]

https://tenor.com/view/poe-path-of-exile-login-play-poe-login-gif-26508840

[frosty karma]

signet brand and serpent idol sim way higher for agi classes, dream of getting trinkets in the first week just died damn crit vers abusers

[chrome plover]

always the same

[frosty karma]

they should make trinkets not scale with character crit and vers anymore

if i cant buff them, noone should be able to 😡

[chrome plover]

you can, just less :)

[silent burrow]

But we gonna have more vers than ever now

And crit lol

So chill papi

We will be second fiddle to yellow man on gear though this season

[frosty karma]

we have 2 rogues 2 dh

trinket yoink

[silent burrow]

Yellow man tier stonks https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1exJeu5eVe4bTmyg3WFx5PTxIWvDLi0j-WW-XWpGoG88/htmlview#gid=705110442

[chrome plover]

yep same

[silent burrow]

I don’t know if we are running 2 rogs but only 1 dh

[mossy fox]

1 rog 1 dh

[silent burrow]

We are also willing to put dam trinkets on tanks if it’s biggest upgrade

And they are good for tanks lol

[balmy shore]

rog

[silent burrow]

I’m so ready for prog

[chrome plover]

these sims :s

[frosty karma]

[silent burrow]

That’s fake news

[eternal sundial]

I think we have 2 arcane 1 lock 1 uh for our augs rest doesnt matter

[chrome plover]

why are these sheets all so fucked for fury :icant

[fading sky]

:d

[frosty karma]

ssshh

[silent burrow]

It’s just cause they use the same talents for 0pc

[mossy fox]

[silent burrow]

Oh baby

[south kayak]

[silent burrow]

Streamer privilege

[fading sky]

thats what u get for being a streamare

lol

😄

[silent burrow]

Confirmed

[balmy shore]

we love to see that

[chrome plover]

yeah and then the aberrus 4p to amir 4p uses OLD talents

they've done it wrong both times in different ways

[silent burrow]

Oh does it? Lemme look in a sec

[frosty karma]

its so easy to do with topgear sim

and selecting new tier talents

[silent burrow]

Good call

[fast gull]

my name is Amir. This is MY patch.

[mossy fox]

just like 10.1.7 was fury's patch cause it was called fury incarnate

[silent burrow]

Oof

[oblique trail]

whats wrong with the talents

its this one no? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4puMvgRwkx3H2Uebw7ZwYu/simc

[mossy fox]

i usually go with garms' build

[frosty karma]

theres no way this is right talents
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4puMvgRwkx3H2Uebw7ZwYu

actrually you can check

[oblique trail]

I just looked

they don't look wrong

but

[silent burrow]

What about legs build

[oblique trail]

The sims are not accounting for ilvl increases

[clever belfry]

thats my conspiracy

[hasty tree]

do you Play arms or fury next week

[oblique trail]

so 2p+2p are going to be lower on this sim than it will in practice

[silent burrow]

Arms will for sure do more st than fury until you get new tier, eo. But just play what you like

[frosty karma]

idk whats the point of simming at equal ilvl

just for the sake of having a 1:1 4 set dps gain?

[oblique trail]

To just see a strict 1:1 difference

But

[silent burrow]

To see the diff in tier bonus is all

[frosty karma]

when in reality everyone can do topgear with new set

[oblique trail]

Doesn't really do much for you in practice

[fading bane]

idk i prefer seeing diff at same ilvl

[frosty karma]

and have double the dps gain

[fading bane]

shows you if the new tier is stronger than the old one

[chrome plover]

oh yeah it is nvm I read the wrong thing

[fading bane]

the positive thing is

you gain "nothing" from 2pc

[oblique trail]

Sure effect wise you can compare, but in practice you'll still have a big increase from pure ilvl

[fading bane]

so u should get prio on 4pc

cus thats where the power is

[chrome plover]

I got a bigger number when I did 4p vs 4p same ilvl though

I wonder what I did differently

[fading sky]

well 4p isnt it just 1 from craft then u gotta be big in m+ or heroic raid ?:D

[fast gull]

10.1.7 was also my patch - MEGA dungeon.

[fading bane]

only diff from simming same ilvl vs higher ilvl is that everyone will just get an extra 5% on the set

overall the % are the same

[silent burrow]

Sub wft stonks are so stupid lol are people actually going to be playing sub?

[fading bane]

Outlaw is looking like the play afaik

but i dont know for sure

[silent burrow]

That’s what I figured

[fading bane]

Fury is currently only behind sub on t31 zenith

[oblique trail]

easy prio

[loud bay]

So Arms is decent at the start of the raid then once 4set fury is above?

[fading bane]

i gotta find the dratnos tweet

https://twitter.com/dratnos/status/1722547142760472749?s=46&t=W4BonFIfuqBXv6K5xBqqkw

[chrome plover]

they are both good in both circumstances

[fading bane]

Arms is definetly stronger pre 4pc tho

played it on reclear and it slammed

[oblique trail]

literally and figuratively

[chrome plover]

[silent burrow]

come on and slam

[fading bane]

is there anything you cant do between alliance and horde anymore btw, cus i wanna send race change to human

[chrome plover]

queue for content

like dungeon finder/lfr/random bgs

i think

[oblique trail]

ye basically

and outdoor content

[balmy shore]

^

[chrome plover]

oh you cant party up for outdoor content? i thought that worked

[balmy shore]

which is sad bc i can’t group up with my partner lmao

[chrome plover]

yeah im glad i didnt go human cos this wouldve fucked us

[silent burrow]

I think you can but it's difficult

[balmy shore]

i’m nelf and he’s a gobbie rip

[chrome plover]

we're both gobbies

[balmy shore]

you can like do seeds together and just sit in a group

[balmy shore]

gobbie love

[silent burrow]

I know our guys were doing it last night and one was healing the other from another faction

in pvp

open world

[balmy shore]

really?

[silent burrow]

yeah but their frames were fucked

[balmy shore]

hmmm

[silent burrow]

and they could attack one another

[balmy shore]

he couldn’t heal me so idk

[silent burrow]

but they were able to heal each other

[balmy shore]

wtf u guys are sick

[eternal sundial]

anyone got any clue if moonkin tier is good

[fading bane]

hmm no outdoor content is cringe

and i cant go ally when we are doing lfr for tier prob haha

[eternal sundial]

i dont wanna join druid discord and need good argument for tier prio putting em below hunt in guild

[chrome plover]

we're kinda swaggin yeah

[eternal sundial]

[silent burrow]

I think yes

[eternal sundial]

would u agree on rog>evo>war for tier 🤔

[chrome plover]

yeah idk why they half-assed it maybe some spaghetti code

[oblique trail]

well

[chrome plover]

just full send delete faction barrier at this point idk

shift-delete

:)

[oblique trail]

they gave a fairly decent example of how shitty the entire base system is and what janky methods they do to get around it

with the currency boxes for alts

[eternal sundial]

my idea was aug is run 200% so why not give em set idk

[oblique trail]

imagine how dogwater the cross-faction is

[frosty karma]

i wish they would go back to seperating trinkets for each mainstat

[balmy shore]

i take this back, you can group you just can’t do some stuff together* like he couldn’t heal me but we were able to group and do seeds and the super bloom stuff

[frosty karma]

i hate this half or even the entire raid needing on the same item stuff

[balmy shore]

but it’s jank

[silent burrow]

signet brand is legit going to be on like everything that bonks

lol

[frosty karma]

i bet its op for tanks too

[silent burrow]

it is

they bonk

[frosty karma]

so every non int class

[silent burrow]

it's like crazy good

[fading bane]

ill prob just race change to human after first week

[frosty karma]

shouldve done that this week

[silent burrow]

This is blood lol

[fading bane]

when outdoor content is irrelevant

[frosty karma]

great

that means tanks get signet brand first

[chrome plover]

why?

[oblique trail]

well

damage trinkets have always looked good on tanks

[frosty karma]

because thats how we always do it

[silent burrow]

Honestly yeah

[balmy shore]

lmao

[silent burrow]

damage trinkets on tanks is good if it's good

[frosty karma]

beacon 5k dps on tank, 3k dps on DPS, tank gets it first

for example

[silent burrow]

they're always going to be there and always gonna be alive

[chrome plover]

oh yeah if it's highest number

and they dont need to run def trinket

then ofc

[silent burrow]

Yeah our first beacon went to our prot pally last tier

[frosty karma]

hc signet is 7,5k for me, 8,5k for rogue

i bet its 9k for our blood

[chrome plover]

what boss is it from

[frosty karma]

smolderon

[chrome plover]

that was a silly question

[silent burrow]

lol

[chrome plover]

because now im going to ask what # boss that is

[frosty karma]

7th

[oblique trail]

yes

[chrome plover]

thanks

[fading bane]

trinket also damages you

[silent burrow]

I am impervious

[fading bane]

just tell them that tanks need to be tanky

[silent burrow]

give it to me so I can parse

[fading bane]

they cant get it

[oblique trail]

The damage can stack up quite hard

[fading bane]

fury warrior cant die

[silent burrow]

I am r1 healer guy

trust me

[fading bane]

strong sigma male

[frosty karma]

tanks shouldnt get trinkets that they cant get in their lootspec 😡

ok its not as good for blood at least, only 5,5k

[oblique trail]

I told an officer who's a tank that if the Signet is a tank trinket, then Fyrakks heart is a dps trinket

[silent burrow]

I was just thinking this lol

[mossy fox]

oh yeah they didnt nerf fyrakk heart did they

[frosty karma]

[silent burrow]

Cause I had mentioned heart being good for dps and the tank like freaked out immediately lol

[mossy fox]

it did some good dam and helped survive big hits in key

[frosty karma]

arcway used to have something like that

[oblique trail]

He said deal immediately

[frosty karma]

but you had to stack it up first i think

shield and aoe damage

legion had so many cool trinkets

I used 1 min cd healer trinket for tyran keys on my monk

the shield one with vers

[eternal sundial]

you got the link to this by chance

[silent burrow]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1exJeu5eVe4bTmyg3WFx5PTxIWvDLi0j-WW-XWpGoG88/edit#gid=650115476

[eternal sundial]

tyty

[balmy shore]

is this up to date confirmed confirmed ?

[frosty karma]

whoever made that should add something to arms windfury value

that its way better than it looks in the sheet during execute

[silent burrow]

Yeah honestly like all of the arms windfury number is from exe lol

[frosty karma]

ill be out of windfury group because they see DK is 100 dps higher

[oblique trail]

I mean surely you can convince your raid leaders that

[silent burrow]

I believe this is the best doc for this information

[eternal sundial]

i was mainly trying to find some trinket values

[lavish grove]

Just pretend you're fury

[frosty karma]

14k dps from windfury, that is insane

sub rogues

[eternal sundial]

but yea i got a rough tier prio im mind

[silent burrow]

Bloodmallet tbh

[frosty karma]

yea i will eventually when 4p is there, but arms just better for killing the boss until then, especially fresh content where people die and execute lasts longer

[eternal sundial]

from skimming it appears signet brand for everyone

[silent burrow]

Yep everything that bonks

[eternal sundial]

[frosty karma]

especially rogue and warrior

[eternal sundial]

idk i think the play is to just give the rogue everything

dh too

im then feeding wizards some stuff and a bit the wft

idk

[silent burrow]

Rogue % increases look wild if you look at the spec they won't be playing

[eternal sundial]

assa or what

[silent burrow]

but if you look at what they WILL be playing, fury is better

increases that is

sub increases are wild

but outlaw best performing

[eternal sundial]

ours is probably sin but psure it dont matter

only diff is that hes a pi god on the spec and the 2 min smolderon item goes to him

[boreal oracle]

Does anyone have an open world warmode fury build?

[eternal sundial]

#pvp

[frosty karma]

Rogue gets rework and tops every chart... most tier gain most windfury

[silent burrow]

Yeah pi gonna be good on sin

[eternal sundial]

reworks are wild this expansion

[boreal oracle]

Thanks!

[frosty karma]

Arms rework wasn't

[eternal sundial]

well it wasnt a full one

like rogu

[boreal oracle]

Huh, no raging blow for PvP?

If this is supposed to be for tier set, I want something for now

[eternal sundial]

no rb in pve either

[silent burrow]

You were already playing anni for pvp weren't you

[eternal sundial]

pvp u have RA and OS build

[boreal oracle]

I wasn't playing fury PvP so

[eternal sundial]

i prefered OS this last season

[manic verge]

What's the talent that changes the Execute animation?

[eternal sundial]

massacre

[silent burrow]

mass

[frosty karma]

Massacre

[manic verge]

Gracias

[balmy shore]

[crisp crystal]

./roll

[compact knot]

i wonder if this benefits from DB and WFT

(got it from the superbloom)

[chrome plover]

probably has rppm so not majorly

[compact knot]

a weapons proc is the same shield as a 2min cd shield

[short spire]

GUys quick question is arms stronger than fury this patch?

[compact crater]

whats this and where can i get that?

[chrome plover]

no

[chrome plover]

superbloom cache

[short spire]

fury still goated?

[compact crater]

farmable? or only on the weekly?

[chrome plover]

both looking good

not a clear winner

[chrome plover]

I think only the weekly cache

[compact crater]

sadge

[chrome plover]

you can get it from aiding the accord too i think

[slim pollen]

Huh... not even unique equip 👀

[compact crater]

heal warrior confirmed

[silent burrow]

It's me

[compact crater]

its not unique tho so we can dual wield heal the raid

[silent burrow]

I'm just gonna get wep off first boss rq

[compact crater]

Do the elite rares rotate daily?

because i´ve never seen raz last breath

and i´m in the zone 24/7

[clever belfry]

yea

thats where i got my 447 from

[silent burrow]

Can we just skip this week and go straight into raid

[restive peak]

Right

[silent burrow]

I just wanna kill bosses

Not this busy bee bs

[meager void]

tending the garden

farmville dream Edition

stardew warcraft

(i lowkey kinda enjoy it kekw)

[compact crater]

any idea on that?

[chrome plover]

yes they do

[balmy shore]

i like being a bee

[silent burrow]

[balmy shore]

i am bee

[silent burrow]

omg actual bee

[balmy shore]

just a bee with a dream

yeah if you click on the enchanted honeycomb

[sinful spoke]

Deadly bee

[balmy shore]

i don’t think my swords were supposed to show but it’s hilarious

[silent burrow]

I might have to break out the laptop at work today for a little busy beeing

[balmy shore]

be a lil gardener

a lil pollinating

[silent burrow]

Being actual bee is better than the busy bee grind

[balmy shore]

tru

[rotund ginkgo]

any math geek to help me out with rep real quick

[silent burrow]

Legit I just wanna smash bosses and prog

[rotund ginkgo]

i got approx 14k renown in my inventory with DMF+human

[sinful spoke]

Macro them

Use them all at once

[rotund ginkgo]

im currently renown 5 and a half

[sinful spoke]

= win

[rotund ginkgo]

im tryna figure out if im human+DMF if i can secure 18 before thursday

[compact crater]

dmf only until saturday

[chrome plover]

did you do an alt to 10 first?

[balmy shore]

they made it so tokens are on the gcd

macro doesn’t work afaik

[silent burrow]

What's the rep contract thing people be talking about

[eternal sundial]

10 rep per wq

from inscription

[compact crater]

you get 15 more rep per wq

[eternal sundial]

its gna be VERY expensive tho

[silent burrow]

miss me with that

[compact crater]

its 1,8k on my server

[chrome plover]

wdym

it's like 2k

[eternal sundial]

oh did it drp

i saw it go for 100k day of launch

[silent burrow]

maybe the recipe

right

[chrome plover]

yeah surely

it was 17k in the morning yday

i bought when i got home from work for 2.8k

[silent burrow]

Yeah i just meant the thing people are talking about using, wasn't sure what it did

[chrome plover]

yeah they've been in the game since bfa for every faction

[eternal sundial]

mighta been

[silent burrow]

Honestly idc enough to be doing that, I already feel like I'm doing too much with the alt and dmf bs lol

[chrome plover]

lasts 7 days and gives like 15 rep per world quest

[silent burrow]

Oh 7 days is diff

I was thinkiing 1hr lol

[chrome plover]

oh yeah uh

it's 7 days duration

or maybe it's til reset

either way I figured it was worth putting on

[silent burrow]

yeah that sounds much better than what I had in my head

idk this stuff, I just bonk

and I'm only mediocre at that so

[frosty scroll]

r the bloodmallet windfury totem sims right, furys right up top on 1 target fights

[silent burrow]

yeah

sub is higher but not on there

[fading sky]

ok how the F do u gather 100

sparks of life

[compact crater]

kill ppl in warmode

[wind owl]

the best way is just world quests, rares, treasures

not worth killing players

[silent burrow]

Also something to consider when looking at multitarget results on bloodmallet is to check the profile they used. The fury ones don't have cleave talents when I looked yesterday

[compact crater]

there is a quest for 1k rep token

tho

[fading sky]

like is there no other way

like killing 100ppl on my dk

[compact crater]

dunno

[fading sky]

jeeze

[wind owl]

you don't have to kill players

you can just do world quests, kill rares, treasures

[frosty scroll]

so what u r saying is fury is basically nr 1 target for windfury regardless of situation

[wind owl]

while in warmode

[chrome plover]

just do stuff with warmode on innit

[silent burrow]

idk about number 1 since there are so many situations... but yeah if you don't put fury in windfury you're fully inting

[unreal onyx]

this upgraded to max ilvl + 3x socket could be pretty good for next weeks raid/m+

[chrome plover]

what ilvl does it go up to

[silent burrow]

that's sick actually

[sinful spoke]

Use all the small ones first and before make sure you dont hit 10 stay at like 9 1.5k or smtg then use a 2.5k one then the other big ones

[unreal onyx]

I think 447

[rotund ginkgo]

ye

[chrome plover]

I havent seen greedy gessie up all evening yesterday though

[unreal onyx]

I just got it dropped from it

[compact crater]

it should be up today

[chrome plover]

oh okay

[rotund ginkgo]

wait what

[unreal onyx]

dropped at 431 2/8

[compact crater]

but got no neck from greedy sussy

[rotund ginkgo]

i was told to use the big ones first

if i use 2500 rep token when im almost 10 itll just give me 5k?

[chrome plover]

if you use a big one at 99% of 9 you will get a full 5k drop

yeah

[rotund ginkgo]

guaranteed?

[sinful spoke]

Yes

[rotund ginkgo]

can i then be 18 rn??

i can, cant i?

[sinful spoke]

No

[rotund ginkgo]

why not

[chrome plover]

2.5k rep per level

[rotund ginkgo]

yeah

[sinful spoke]

Because u dont get enough rep from it

[chrome plover]

of renown

[rotund ginkgo]

i just calculated (and i have a friend as well) and he did everything

[sinful spoke]

Ur gonna get 14-15

[rotund ginkgo]

and hes almost 16

but if its the way u calculated it

ill try to calc and see ig

the way ur saying will give me an extra almost 2.5k

actually no, way more

[chrome plover]

no

you lose the double rep after renown 10

[rotund ginkgo]

yeah im awware

but u JUST said ill get 5k from that one token

[chrome plover]

yes that 1

and only that 1

[rotund ginkgo]

that'll push you from almost 10 to almost 12

[chrome plover]

correct

[rotund ginkgo]

you still have other tokens to use

[sinful spoke]

Yes

[rotund ginkgo]

ill calc

[chrome plover]

you could macro all tokens together and use at 99% of level 9

but i believe it's hotfixed

and also an exploit

[sinful spoke]

Yeah blizz wont do shit tho

[chrome plover]

too many people used it yeah

[rotund ginkgo]

wait what

LMAO

u can?

was it fixed?

[chrome plover]

someone said they are on gcd now

[fickle bluff]

not anymore

they are yeah

[rotund ginkgo]

RIP

[prime charm]

is it worth upgrading our wrists with the spark before the reset?

[rotund ginkgo]

is there ANY way to be 18 BEFORE thursday?

[clever path]

Hey, is it worth to switching drop specialization to Arms to get only 2h drops as fury?

[rotund ginkgo]

so for example i use everything today yada yada i spend the next few days getting like 50 renown a day from that BS flower grind

[rotund ginkgo]

yes

[balmy shore]

yea it was added to gcd

[unreal onyx]

how do ya'll farm so much rep

[rotund ginkgo]

wym

[balmy shore]

apparently tokens haven't been on gcd the entire expac but ppl only just noticed it bc aug rune

[rotund ginkgo]

no, that i understand

im saying

my friend is currently almost renown 16

[unreal onyx]

im renown 8 1/2 and basically did everything

[wind owl]

depends how much renown we get on tuesday

[rotund ginkgo]

wednedsay*

EU

[wind owl]

sure

[mossy fox]

at least my infinite augment rune wasn't earned with exploit...

[silver mantle]

Did you do the warmode 1k ?

[mossy fox]

got 15 hours of stream to prove it....

[rotund ginkgo]

crit did u get to 18 already?

did u farm flowers?

[clever path]

Thank you, just got a 1h drop unfortunetly, so I will switch, thank you!

[unreal onyx]

no

[mossy fox]

i planted and watered seeds like a madman

[unreal onyx]

but +1k doesn't get me to renown 16

[chrome plover]

I believe it is possible yes

[balmy shore]

did u do alt stuff first

[chrome plover]

a lot of people have done it

lol

[mossy fox]

yeee

[rotund ginkgo]

yeah ur supposed to do alt then main @unreal onyx

[tacit abyss]

You missed a quest for sure

[mossy fox]

critkekw came in handy

[unreal onyx]

[chrome plover]

it's only possible if you did alt first

[unreal onyx]

I only have 1 char basically

[balmy shore]

yea you do alt to 10 renown for the buff

[rotund ginkgo]

then rip

[unreal onyx]

I didn't even get to 10 on main

[sinful spoke]

I have a guildy at renown 17

[azure light]

Yo Critcake, I've been meaning to find out, what damage number addon do you use?

[sinful spoke]

Bro hasnt showered

[balmy shore]

it's ok i'm renown 6

[mossy fox]

nameplate sct

[balmy shore]

we're vibing

[azure light]

Cheers

[balmy shore]

tending to the garden every now and then

[dense elbow]

I am renown 0, ya mad lads mad

[unreal onyx]

I plant and water almost every seed I see

and do every super bloom

[rotund ginkgo]

im just tryna figure out if i should stress about getting it for raid on weds

or just get it on thurs and chill

KEK

[chrome plover]

like

[mossy fox]

save time and chill

[chrome plover]

it's not that deep

rela x

[rotund ginkgo]

true ill chill

ty

[balmy shore]

it's w/e tbh

[chrome plover]

most people are just doing it for fun/something to do

[mossy fox]

ppl are just doing it cause there isnt much else to do

[prime charm]

the cringe on this renown rep is hilarious

[rotund ginkgo]

outside of that, is there ANYTHING to do?

[chrome plover]

you can buy 20 augment runes for like 50k if you're really desperate to have it

[mossy fox]

but its very inefficient use of time

[left perch]

he show tf are people getting 10 on main I’m like out of quest

[rotund ginkgo]

u dont get 10 on main

[unreal onyx]

1st week of patch is bascially only there to waste time

[rotund ginkgo]

u get like 5 and a half

or 6

[balmy shore]

wym you explore the emerald dream

it's so pretty

[rotund ginkgo]

im 5 and half adn the only stuff ive got missing is elites

[chrome plover]

it is very prety

[left perch]

yea I think I have done every quest and world quest I can find

[fading bane]

im like renown 8 without doing any farming basically

[left perch]

I’m just shy of 7

[balmy shore]

also can casually gear up alts, it's super quick with the story and drops

[gentle terrace]

is the strat to get 10 on ur alt then save tokens for next week's 19%?

[tight igloo]

If you're only 5 or 6 renown you're missing a lot of things

[gentle terrace]

save tokens on main*

[rotund ginkgo]

on my main???

ofc i am, im saving them for next week

done all quests

[left perch]

I even did several super bloom and purple seed

[rotund ginkgo]

just got treasures and elites left

u only get renown from first superbloom

[left perch]

I’m aware

my point is other than treasures I have like nothing else to do afaict and I’m just shy of 6

7

There’s mf out here with like 18

[balmy shore]

ya bc they did the alt stuff

[fickle bluff]

you are definitely not out of things to do

[left perch]

I’m gonna report them

[balmy shore]

do it

[left perch]

Something is up

I can’t be this stupid

[balmy shore]

are you only playing 1 character

[fading bane]

wdym

they just farm infinite rep seeds

[left perch]

Yea only 1

[fading bane]

for degenerate amount of hours

[balmy shore]

yea you boost up an alt first to 10 and then get the buff then you slingshot to 18 also helps if you're human

[gentle terrace]

so what are people doing with regard to the anniversary thing next week

[chrome plover]

when you hit level 10 ALL characters on your account gain DOUBLE rep until level 10

[gentle terrace]

I thought you save tokens on main til then

[chrome plover]

so if your alt gets to 10 first you slingshot your main

[left perch]

So I have to do 7 > 10 by rares, treasure, and seeds?

is what it sounds like

[steel shard]

you guys dont have a gbank that pays for aug runes?

[balmy shore]

my guild is poor

xd

[steel shard]

just boost mythic CE

[balmy shore]

we're allergic to boosting asldkfjsoief

[silent burrow]

I can't imagine what feeding a whole raid augment runes all prog would cost

[balmy shore]

two of our raiders set up a boost day and then our officers hijacked that day

[silent burrow]

hundreds of millions I assume

[balmy shore]

it's so over

[chrome plover]

if you've done all treasures/wqs/4 chapters/weekly events/side quests

then yes :)

[balmy shore]

oh and there's also the contracts if you didn't pick one up before doing wq

[rustic obsidian]

are rares like not spawning at all or ? 😄

been waiting for ages during seed farm

[left perch]

Ah shiiiiit

[chrome plover]

although my non-human alt is past 7 and hasnt done any world quests and still has 6 side quest chains to do

[balmy shore]

gg

[barren ore]

rares seem bugged. could only kill 3 today

[chrome plover]

so idk how youve "done everything" and are 7

[left perch]

I’ll get the receipts out, the only wq I didn’t do was the elite one

[chrome plover]

did you find and do all 8 side quest chains

[left perch]

and maybe I missed a side quest but I did most of the chains

[mossy fox]

if you're renown 7 you've definitely not done everything

[barren ore]

I've done everything (non-human, no darkmoon buff) and am now 8 1/4

[chrome plover]

no darkmoon buff

that's based

[left perch]

I did all the ones starting at the central camp that lead to other places yea

I didn’t find any out in the world tho

[wind owl]

there are others that give big rep like north east

[chrome plover]

go to that world of mundo guy's website

and follow his guide

[left perch]

I also didn’t do the PvP quest for 1k rep

[unreal onyx]

i used no darkmoon buff for 80% of my rep as non-human and just turned 9

[left perch]

[chrome plover]

cos idk someone linked me a checklist and ive barely done any and am already 7

[left perch]

I’m still gonna report you for being ahead of me, clearly cheating

But thanks for the info

[chrome plover]

[wild mural]

I’m only renown 5 at

On both chars

Cba to sweat it out

I’m not a nerd

[mossy fox]

same

[silent burrow]

lol

[median token]

8-2

[unreal onyx]

how dare you

[unreal onyx]

you can even upgrade it to 450

[median token]

how much is the dps gain for +80str? 0.2%?

[oblique trail]

Checked a sim earlier and for me it was like a 0.6% dps increase

it's quite minimal

[mossy fox]

absolutely enormous

[silent burrow]

[oblique trail]

true gonna log on and do 5 rep per sed

[mossy fox]

0.6% is prolly the diff between green and orange log

[oblique trail]

If there are 4 logs on a boss for sure

[silent burrow]

I was gonna say absolutely true if you're method or id or something

lol

[south kayak]

[unreal onyx]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4541mVyh5NBYM3iXj7xjrB

how in the world is that neck a -2.8k simdps

[oblique trail]

Because you give up like 700 secondary stats for the proc

[unreal onyx]

ohhhh

I didn't even see that it has less secondaries xd

just have everyone in the raid farm the neck to compensate

[mossy fox]

maybe worth it overall since it buffs others but eh

no ty

[unreal onyx]

comes from a rare, so idm

would kill it anyway

[oblique trail]

Sims have it at like 30% uptime or so

So it might be an overall increase, but yeah

[unreal onyx]

where does the sim get the 30% from

is that just a approximation, or a set value

[oblique trail]

It's based off of the ppm/rppm of the neck

Where else

[south kayak]

It’s based

[oblique trail]

According to wowhead it has approx 2 procs per min

[mossy fox]

youre based

[south kayak]

Im not like the other Pile Ons

[unreal onyx]

how long do the procs last? tooltip doesn't tell

[oblique trail]

10 sec

You could also just equip it and see

[chrome plover]

but then he wouldnt be able to read another great message from banezi 🥺

[unreal onyx]

^

I just want to see that "Banezi typing..."

[clever belfry]

balls

[oblique trail]

[forest owl]

is there a way to have droptimizer sim the new tier set aswell?

[left perch]

NA maintenance 3rd day in a row

[fast gull]

5 mins doing quests as fury and i already know im going to enjoy this a lot more than havoc. Is there any hope of warriors climing out of the b-tier for m+?

[left perch]

love this

[left perch]

get leggo

[fast gull]

pre-leggo 🙂

[tacit crag]

Legendary being legendary rather than enhanced purple

[forest owl]

for some reason droptimizer is simming the new tier set as a big downgrade

[oblique trail]

It sims the tier pieces individually

Not combined

[tacit crag]

Group with people that have tons of stops/utilities so you can shine with pure damage instead of hindering the group with lack of utility

[oblique trail]

Gear compare or top gear is the best way to check differences between the sets, but there's no talent changes included in gear compare

[forest owl]

ok thanks will try this

[oblique trail]

would recommend just adding the items to top gear

[tacit crag]

A warrior and two hunters can be terrible while a warrior, mage, monk/dh could be pretty good.

[oblique trail]

since you'll be using different talents anyway

[chrome plover]

5 warriors

[iron portal]

Been there

[brittle crow]

so is the legendary like the evoker one where we dont know shit about it until it actually exists

[iron portal]

Done that

[chrome plover]

yes

[brittle crow]

do we know if itll only exist after world first too?

[iron portal]

Suprisingly things die really fast with 5 dps in m+

[oblique trail]

Likely to be the case

[meager void]

flawless logic

[chrome plover]

we dont know, but it's likely

they said it would be similar to the evoker one but with bad luck protection from day 1

but what exactly that means we dont know

[brittle crow]

if i can get ashkandur first kill, i can get this first kill too