fury

[serene vessel]

i hope they bring korthia back

that was quality content

[rotund steppe]

you my friend

are not allowed to give an opinion anymore

[brave cairn]

people dooming hard this season?

[serene vessel]

? I loved korthia it was so fun u got to do all this fun content

[delicate burrow]

Ill leave it at 95 but it just stays red the whole time

[serene vessel]

like running around hoping to get to rare spawns before they spawned

[delicate burrow]

the old one I use to have turned green and would glow at 100

[winter citrus]

guys which embelishments are we crafting with the sparks?

[delicate burrow]

but it was the same WA

[exotic cradle]

💀

[fading bane]

woudnt ever bother if i was rwf lmao

just buy them

[young swan]

yeah

its pretty worthless

but it is something to do

so do it if you want to

[winter shoal]

You mean the whole icon turned green or just the glow? Should be able to do that in the same condition if you add a property change > color > green

[fair oasis]

is there anything that points to arms being better st raid over fury?

[young swan]

last boss design

[winter shoal]

Sims with current gear

[fair oasis]

whats that pointing towards?

[young swan]

arms > fury

in both cases

[delicate burrow]

The writing displaying the crit % number went from red to green and the whole icon started glowing once I had 95% or above crit

[fading bane]

what did arms gain today

[young swan]

in full bis fury edges out arms

[delicate burrow]

and I want it to do that again

[fading bane]

cus that shit gained some dmg

[young swan]

6% aura + 10% for op and ms

[fading bane]

god damn

fury left in the dust

[young swan]

fury gains a lot with tier

[winter shoal]

idk I copied Yazuka's original and tweaked it a bunch so mine probably isn't set up for what you want, but you can probably set the color on some text element and/or only display it if that 95% crit condition is true

[young swan]

last boss has a 2 target cleave intermission phase and a 40->0 burn

[fair oasis]

ooh juicy

[young swan]

based on dungo journal

[fair oasis]

i remember people the other day syaing fury excute phase as well as spriest is stronger than arms?

or misinfo

[young swan]

fury is not stronger

it got stronger

but its still ~10% behind in execute

cant speak to spriest

[fair oasis]

where this info coming from btw?

i dont doubt it, jsut curious to know where i can look w/o having to ask

[young swan]

mostly private sims

"private"

most of it comes from sims @modest condor and @tardy lark are doing

[fair oasis]

fury looking better for m+ or is it still the "personal preference"

[gilded pawn]

arms is still doing weird builds in m+

[young swan]

I think arms with the new fob build is gonna knock fury out of the m+ thing

[winter shoal]

ST dam might be kinda poopy with that build, no? So maybe fury for tyrannical weeks

[fair oasis]

oh so u think i should start playing that build instead of arms?

[rotund steppe]

lmao when did u change ur name xan

[winter shoal]

Play what you want, it won't matter before like mid-20s key levels

[young swan]

its still quite good ST

idk the numbers

but its good

[young swan]

today

realistically you can still play fury, its just gonna be harder to do big numbers than with AM + rav

[unreal onyx]

raidbots website sure do be slow on patchday

[winter shoal]

Just play with a spec that pads like a mf on adds and claim you're doing prio dam that's more important

[rotund steppe]

fury became the st now ;_;

[young swan]

yenny said it yesterday and i agree, fury in m+ is gonna be worse next tier than in 10.0 with RA + rav

[spice vine]

fury big succ

[fair oasis]

what makes you say that fob build over the bladestorm one?

[young swan]

cause it does big aoe and gives up very little ST

the same thing that made fury so good in m+ this xpac

[winter shoal]

If we doom hard enough they'll make fury t31 be able to cleave surely

[young swan]

surely

[golden dock]

I'm reading a guide for talents and I have one question. do we ever or will we ever press slam?

[young swan]

with the new tier set, yes

until you have 2pc, no

[steel copper]

I said it before you're doom and glooming too much

WE NOW TOP BREAK THE META SPEC

[winter shoal]

What is skyhold for if not doomin

[golden dock]

damn aight

[young swan]

it turns into a generator, basically just an RB replacement

[golden dock]

does it generate more than RB?

otherwise why wouldn't you use RB instead?

[unreal onyx]

real? I thought it was looking ok on ptr

[winter shoal]

With new tier you run annihilator which removes RB

[young swan]

because we're using annihilator next tier

[golden dock]

ah

[pearl lagoon]

If the tier cleaved it would be ok I think

[fair oasis]

why tf is the world quests giving me a one handed wep....

[rotund steppe]

man wtf

[winter shoal]

set loot spec to arms

[steel copper]

Are you fury loot spec?

[rotund steppe]

i think im gonna play arms for this tier

[fair oasis]

no im arms

[young swan]

it does that regardless

its just gg

[pearl lagoon]

I don’t think fury loot spec matters for world quests

[winter shoal]

Cringe

[pearl lagoon]

It just does it. You can get shields and stuff too

[onyx fox]

prob. worth saving the spark instead of just sending it on allied wristguards?

[lavish grove]

Surely we get buffs next week

[golden dock]

are there any good class tree points to drop for utility?

[young swan]

I dont think so

i mean u can i guess

but ive never felt that to be worth it

[fallen quarry]

WQs pick from any of your three specs. doesnt matter what your loot spec is

[rotund steppe]

im prob gonna save it for weap

[dusky pulsar]

what about my hero spec

[short crag]

is there a priority usage for sparks as we get them? didnt find anything

[dusky pulsar]

we all going Slayer Fury right

in 11.0

[onyx fox]

would def. be wristguards over lariat first tho since we are losing sockets soonish?

[midnight cairn]

So why is Lambent armor kit better than Frosted Armor Kit, when the latter gives 191 Strength effectively, and the former gives 155 Str and 41 verse... Is verse just that good?

[young swan]

u def dont craft lariat week 3

[rotund steppe]

lariat week 11 lmao

[young swan]

week 3 is either generosity chest or shadowflame patch

ur gonna want frostfire pants at some point too

for 2nd last man

assuming ur proggering the mythic raid encounters

[unreal onyx]

I got a "springs keeper" 2H axe in a treasure

[rotund steppe]

they called me crazy when i said that frostfire pants would be nice

[unreal onyx]

can upgrade it to 450, semms like a better OH than my 447 weap

also has on-equip effect

[sullen dove]

[winter shoal]

I'd probably hold off on upgrading stuff this week tbh, decent chance you get something better from M+ next week

[rotund steppe]

tbh im not upgrading anything

[unreal onyx]

what do I use my flightstones/cheapo crests on then

[rotund steppe]

just gonna wait for raid

save em for next week

[unreal onyx]

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/item=209948/springs-keeper

[winter shoal]

You can upgrade whelpling crests to drake now can't you

[lavish grove]

Tank one gets aoe storm bolt tho

Which is huge

[rotund steppe]

nope

[unreal onyx]

if you transform it, you get a new tmog appearance + the "heal" turns into an absorb shield

[rotund steppe]

damn where u get it

[silent burrow]

Where you seeing the hero abilities or whatever

[lavish grove]

You can only when you upgrade all your pieces with lesser crests, and at 6 to 1 ratio

[unreal onyx]

I think from one of the seeds

[rotund steppe]

rip

i have done 50 seeds

and got nothing

[unreal onyx]

ohh no

not from seed

from a rare

[rotund steppe]

oh

[fair oasis]

uhh is there a reason why im at a rare on a capped pop server and theres only 1 other person here?

[jagged hawk]

oh boy - they fixed the avatar+reck Torment Bug - not that it matters after nextish week :')

[unreal onyx]

envoy of winter I think it's called

[rotund steppe]

does, it means i can finally use reck charge and not mind it

[unreal onyx]

+3ilvl oh weap = 400DPS increase

[wild mural]

servers just gave up

[unreal onyx]

now, is that worth it?

[wild mural]

[silent burrow]

where you see this?

[umbral ingot]

they showed it in blizzcon

[silent burrow]

They showed what the warrior ones do?

I saw druid but that's it

[unreal onyx]

do you guys save the rep tokens until dmf in 3 days or just send it?

I have 7k rep tokens in my bag

[silent burrow]

I think you just send it if you're on alt

[unreal onyx]

on main

[lavish grove]

Just one example with storm bolt, they didn't show any other stuff

[sullen dove]

[lavish badge]

hey, just blowing in from stupid town here, what happened to reckless abandon empowering our next 2 bloodthirsts/raging blows?

[silent burrow]

They changed it weeks ago

it's in the pins

[young swan]

they changed it but buffed the empowered buttons a bit more

[jagged hawk]

it looked like it when I fatfingered it :')

[umbral ingot]

why do some realms work and others are just dead rn

[unreal onyx]

just play on the correct ones

[umbral ingot]

good servers blizzard

[steel copper]

It's a throwback to vanilla

Go roll a lv1 and duel in Goldshire

[lavish badge]

this is looking like an arms tier eh

[young swan]

only because the last boss seems to favor arms

theres lots of really good fights for fury

even the second last boss

[umbral ingot]

council 🦍

[gilded pawn]

It was so messed up that arms was better in primal council in 10.0

[unreal onyx]

real and true

[indigo quarry]

[clever belfry]

no cap

get renown 20

craft haste legs at hc ilvl

for that boss

specifically

[indigo quarry]

secret strat

need to not have 4p on legs too

[young swan]

yeah but no one is gonna call it an arms tier because of a mid tier boss

[lavish badge]

arms tier just looks insane compared to fury that's the only reason I said that

like it sounds like it would play better

i was cool with the empowering the next 2 bloodthirsts it felt pretty nice and they changed it now Idk how to feel about fury, maybe it just feels off because lack of the new tier

[fading bane]

fury tier is way stronger than arms tier

[restive peak]

Both specs are fairly even

[young swan]

yeah fury tier is very strong

[lavish grove]

relatievely

build still lacking

[restive peak]

Xan, what's the execute diff like? I feel like VC + BB means we should be fairly even w arms, but numbers?

[young swan]

~10%

fury still behind

[gilded pawn]

It’s definitely closer

[fading bane]

friend of mine simmed arms 4pc same ilvl and it was equal

fury tier is 10% gain at same ilvl

[restive peak]

ah kk

[steel copper]

Wait 40/40/10/10 and 36/36/24/5 which meme stat spread do I go for now

[fading bane]

get 100% of the stats

overall

[supple summit]

5/5/5/84

[lavish grove]

looks about right

[jade garden]

Is there a rep increase in 3 days?

[spiral night]

eu still down`?

[lavish grove]

no

[unreal onyx]

darkmoon faire

ride the rollercoaster and you get 10% extra rep

[jade garden]

Is that not already up?

[lavish grove]

you can do it rn

[spiral night]

my caracter screen is just black

[jade garden]

I did hear something about a 30% increase with some dream rep thingy but can’t remember the source

[lavish grove]

thats on your end i think

[sullen dove]

Dmf is already out?

[supple summit]

its 19% and its the aniversary event next thursday

[sullen dove]

wrong person

[cunning igloo]

So fury is mastery vers with new tier, intersting that haste is lowest now

[sullen dove]

fuckkn phone

[wild mural]

how does tarren mill work and stormscale is down

good game

[sullen dove]

@unreal onyx

[jade garden]

Yeah I got it this morning and then died and didn’t realise it fell off before handing in 😄

[sand nacelle]

Same for me, couldnt cast or do anything before relogging and being met by black screen

[young swan]

what

[viral maple]

[jade garden]

Thanks!

[cunning igloo]

Maybe im reading this wrong, but on the cheatsheet on wowhead it shows Strength >>> mastery = vers >crit = haste

what does that even mean

[unreal onyx]

is it?

[young swan]

oh

[unreal onyx]

ohhh I am dumb

[young swan]

its just general stat guides

[cunning igloo]

so haste is not lowest?

[sullen dove]

you won’t have dmf buff when you make use of 19th anniversary buff, but dmf helpful now for getting your alt to 10 and all non token rep shit your main needs to do

[young swan]

haste is still very good

just sim ur gear

hard to explain without people taking what i say out of context

[cunning igloo]

yeah true, this math is confusing my pea ass brain too many smybols

[sullen dove]

basically you will have more mastery and verse than crit and haste, but you still want all 4

robot will tell you how much of what

[cunning igloo]

Sim is always king, ignore everything else tbh

[supple summit]

true and real

[young swan]

this also only happens because we have a lot of stats in other places so value gets placed in stats that we dont have as much of

[median token]

I just use what I think has a pretty icon

[young swan]

mastery always good cause its flat % dam increase

[cunning igloo]

https://tenor.com/view/giga-chad-gif-23143840

[flat river]

anyone lagging?

[young swan]

no

[flat river]

can't login?

oh

ok

[young swan]

are u EU

might be EU diff

[flat river]

y

[young swan]

okay yeah dont listen to me

[narrow narwhal]

My brain is lagging

[unreal onyx]

im EU and all is working good

[fervent turtle]

eu-eredar just crashed

[lavish grove]

yep, my server died rn

[unreal onyx]

monka

my small server is still up

[fervent turtle]

super duper bloomer was to much for it

[exotic cradle]

anyone have an issue since the update where the game will start, not open and if the icon is clicked it will not respond and close?

[young swan]

i had that issue yesterday

just kinda fixed itself

[cold quartz]

Yea i had that.. scan and repair actually fixed it smh

No problems since

[civic schooner]

so are there any good builds which dont use slam

[young swan]

no

[civic schooner]

[agile tiger]

Slam to victory

[left perch]

damn i did like every single quest and campaign and rare I could find but i'm at renown...6

[wild mural]

we did it

[sinful spoke]

?

LOL

[sullen dove]

very complicated process, he does NOT want any shitters

[left perch]

lmao

[unreal onyx]

I just used all my rep tokens with dmf buff and am at 7 3/4

[left perch]

dmf buff 🤦‍♂️

shid

im like 6.5, there's 1k in the pvp world quest i guess but...pvp

[unreal onyx]

I think the buff overall from tokens got me like 750 more rep

[random warren]

legendary is bis yeah

[unreal onyx]

says who

[young swan]

it will be

[sullen dove]

remember when they datamined tier set models and everyone insta doomed over how the warrior tier was the worst looking tier set

[covert void]

don't waste your time doing the rep alt grind the guide is scuffed. leaves you like 2/3k short. you'll have to farm seeds for hours and hours.

unless you want to ofc

[median marsh]

i am confused,
is Anhilator vanish raging blow?

[sullen dove]

and now mf is an iron giant

[sullen dove]

yes

[young swan]

yes

[young swan]

the helmet is still dumb

[sullen dove]

its literally not

[young swan]

i dont like it

[sullen dove]

just as dumb as onslaught or juggernaut

[serene vessel]

that helmet looks so bad

[sullen dove]

yet ppl gasm all over those sets

[serene vessel]

all i see when i see that set is an owl

[unreal onyx]

I like the woyer set in general

the colors maybe not too much, but the design will match pretty well with other sets I feel like

[haughty bloom]

are we gonna play annihilator on season 3?

[unreal onyx]

yes

[young swan]

with 2pc onwards, yes

[haughty bloom]

hmm okey thanks <3

[shy knot]

so so far nothing changed right

in rotation

[young swan]

as of right this instant, yes

[serene vessel]

the only thing that changed is you should be playing a havoc dh now

[covert void]

this is so bad lol surprised some like it

[shy knot]

never

played one in Legion and couldnt last a whole boss of that boring shit

pacman on arcade has more buttons

[modest talon]

erm hey ppl, im back after a long time

[left perch]

hello

[shy knot]

hi

[modest talon]

do we play the new build even without the new tier set?

If i may ask

[left perch]

scroll up like 5 messages

[modest talon]

i checked the pins etc but i cant figure it

oh z

zS

xD*

time to change then!

[clever path]

Any 10renowners?

[modest talon]

is it worth upgrading the 2 veteran weapons i managed to get?

i got 30 drake

[next canopy]

Is it just me ? The new zone and cosmetics/sets don’t really get me too excited at all

[modest talon]

^

[shy knot]

druidy stuff

[fervent turtle]

is there still no info about the legendary axe?!

in the end its not even in the game

[olive wraith]

I like the plate set from the seed lady

[next canopy]

Exactly

[modest talon]

xept this

[olive wraith]

What is that

[modest talon]

and this

[olive wraith]

Back to the axe

Where the hell is that from

[olive wraith]

Is it 2h

[modest talon]

1h

[olive wraith]

ffffffff

[covert void]

it's not massively over scaled size wise, course it's a 1h

[modest talon]

these are 2h

[next canopy]

Aren’t those just the PvP weps from last season

[olive wraith]

Probably won’t get update until wf kill

I don’t recall seeing the axe

[modest talon]

no idea, i played 2-3 weeks last season kek

[wraith gull]

really wish they would adjust polearm grip for titan's-fury

[modest talon]

fml i gotta change ma bars now O.O

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/fury/DAPEURUUEgZUQQpFRRBEOVVERUZEQREoVBUBU this build works?

[modest talon]

i wish theyd let us mog 1h if we have TG talented

[wraith gull]

that would be a welcome change as well, maybe in 11.0 when they do the warband stuff

[gilded pawn]

Good thing we don’t talent tg

Therefore you’ll never get the mog

[rich marlin]

is there a trinket in season 3 thats gonna be absolutely bis for fury?

[dark flower]

14 renown and haven't touched wq's yet

[clear wharf]

are people using the new sparks yet

[fickle bluff]

any eu-ally that is kinda close to the end of the main quests?

[left perch]

what heck

14 renown

[clever path]

wow how?

[fickle bluff]

not hard if you send tokens now

[clever path]

alt + main or full main?

[fickle bluff]

only possible on alt+main

[left perch]

man I’m even washed at grinding simple things apparently

[thorny sparrow]

anyone else just get shoved offline?

game just punted me and now downloading a 450mb patch

[olive wraith]

After you get t31 yes

[ocean thistle]

What are you guys thinking for your first spark upgrade?

[olive wraith]

Gonna wait

[meager void]

ring with flavor pocket, ofc

[ocean thistle]

flavor pocket?

[ocean thistle]

ah the food thing

[meager void]

no, its the flavor thing

[ocean thistle]

picked up a 441 ring with a socket proc that was nice

[vapid spade]

the vault loot form this week will be 447 max right (looted on 14th)

[olive wraith]

Yes

[dim spindle]

damn I thought I had forgotten to put my glasses back on or something

[fervent turtle]

when i "interrupt" ramapge with another spell (like OF), does it still do all its damage?

[dim spindle]

That's a deeply fried piece of fake news

[dim spindle]

Nah it just cuts the animation short

[olive wraith]

Ramp is instant

[dim spindle]

Or should I say... "yeah it does all it's damage, also cuts the animation short"

[next canopy]

@slim coral Respect for sounding the alarm ⏰ yesterday when SERVER went LIVE.

[fervent turtle]

ty

[dim spindle]

Blizzard needs to make reparations for those of us negatively impacted by the down time

Free week imo

[next canopy]

I agree. Like 100 anima or something.

[dim spindle]

It inconvenienced me and that is a true mortal sin

[next canopy]

It's actually unfair

but its a reminder of real life.

[dim spindle]

A(e)nima - Obnoxious system, badass song/album

[next canopy]

lol

[dim spindle]

Dare I say the best album of the bunch

[next canopy]

How is this warrior. This is fairy god mother.

[olive wraith]

I like it

[dim spindle]

is that a mommy Tauren?

[olive wraith]

Big bad wolf

[covert blaze]

That armour looks like it weighs 100 tons

[meager void]

um.. thats one f ed up fairy

[dim spindle]

Oh wait... is it a mommy wolfkin?

I just realized I haven't actually looked at the new era models for all the classes/races up close since they were put in

[unreal onyx]

looks like a mix of druid and shaman

[dim spindle]

ohh duh I'm stupid. it's a Vulpera

furry warrior

btw real question, I've seen mentions of a bug with avatar/reck where you need to pop avatar first. Is that still the case?

[oblique trail]

no it's fixed this patch

[slim coral]

Got a 460 weapon

[olive wraith]

The bug has been in play since start of DF (maybe earlier idk injustice came back this exp) but was fixed in 10.2

[slim coral]

I guess it titaforged to 460?

It has rng on where it drops on the scale from 441-463

[dim spindle]

cool ty, didn't notice that in the notes

[left perch]

Fury God Mother

[next canopy]

lollll

[next canopy]

wow - nice

[slim coral]

Gotta love titan forging

[wild mural]

[serene vessel]

whats the springs keeper

[nimble charm]

So i heard annihliator build was like, actually ST viable once we get tier set this patch, was that just copium or is it real?

[serene vessel]

i really like the idea of transforming weapons actually

wish they'd use that more often

[young wind]

anyone got the bis list for furry in 10.2?

[serene vessel]

@wild mural probably has the bis furry list

[rotund steppe]

more than viable, it is the build

[wild mural]

the bis furry list is Fy'ralath the Dweamwender

[nimble charm]

yooooooooooooo sick. Arms changes were making it feel like poop (fuuuck slam), looks like im heading back to fury this season. Do you NEED tier for annihilator setup to be viable?

[olive wraith]

Even in aoe that’s our build

Ya

[summer quail]

"fuck slam" he says ahahhaha, most ironic statement of the year

[olive wraith]

Wanna hear something funny

[serene vessel]

u use slam as fury too btw

[olive wraith]

Who’s gonna tell them

[summer quail]

actually hilarious

[olive wraith]

[oblique trail]

You swap to annihilator at 2p yes

and believe it or not pepelaff

[olive wraith]

Fury uses slam more than arms

[nimble charm]

true, but the slam for fury is different than arms, it has a CD as annihilator setup right? so its not just filler rubbish

[oblique trail]

well

it's basically filler

but yes it has a cd

[summer quail]

just coz it has a cd doesn't mean it's not a filler...

[serene vessel]

slam basically fulfils the same role for fury and arms now

[summer quail]

it's literally a filler

[serene vessel]

they're both just filler

[nimble charm]

my problem is with filler slam replacing IP making the arms rotation feel like shit

[slim coral]

[nimble charm]

yea fillers not the right word i guess lol

[olive wraith]

Thing is fury needs more filler than arms

So we use slam more

[nimble charm]

zug warrior brain no like arms using slam in rotation, but feels fine in fury

arms felt TOO overloaded with extra shit, esp with the tier set adding more executes pre 35%

not being able to ragedump off the GCD and losing bounding stride feels omegapoop

thus straight back to fury i go bby (better Tmog value anyway lets be real)

[wild mural]

im gaming now tho

[desert cloud]

What’s ur guy’s renown rn ?

[olive wraith]

Tbf ip is kinda toxic

[desert cloud]

With dreamers

[wild mural]

Im 5

(renown)

[steep fable]

a lot of our bis gear has vers ... odd

[oblique trail]

what's odd about it having vers

[loud bay]

What Gear pieces are people upgrading?

[wild mural]

vers is just a solid stat

[nimble charm]

really it should have been replaced with heroic strike or something else offensive to work as a off GCD spender

[olive wraith]

This season we are overloaded on stats

[steep fable]

is it because we have hit diminishing returns on mastery

[oblique trail]

you already basically hit DR during S2

[olive wraith]

Ya same with haste

But always sim. Robot knows best

[severe cypress]

None yet

[sharp silo]

cant we do this in raid group?

[loud bay]

ok sweet, but Shadowflame is dead now tho?

[oblique trail]

It's not as dead as Sporecloak

Early season you'll go vers wrists + Shadowflame, then swap to Lariat later when you have sockets

[olive wraith]

Shadowflame is still usable

[wet roost]

What are we looking at for crafted gear??

[oblique trail]

can go haste legs instead if you're an m+ main gamer instead of Shadowflame

[olive wraith]

Our Korean friend linked sims and lariat was behind patch

[oblique trail]

when

[olive wraith]

Yesterday

I’d say search his name

But uh

[oblique trail]

it's cowfarmers

I'm looking

[olive wraith]

Oh is it? lol

[sharp silo]

.

[oblique trail]

If you're not getting any progress then likely not, no

[sharp silo]

i got all 3 rewards but quest didnt progress y

[wet roost]

Found some of the sims

#fury message

[olive wraith]

My man

[wet roost]

So wrist and a shadowflame patch is what we are thinkign?

[olive wraith]

Atm that’s what it seems like

Who knows if blizz will make more adjustments though

Cloak was randomly nerfed night before reset

[wet roost]

atm I am running double patch

[oblique trail]

Some of the options he included in the sims are cooked

like simming the healing darts for example

Also I haven't used the Shadowflame, but it's strictly st, yes?

[wet roost]

Yeah... I do not suggest it

Warrior was my alt most of 10.0 and 10.1 but with how evoker legendrary was handled going back to warrior

[oblique trail]

Resimmed it and got it even closer than he did in his results for ST

the 0.2% increase being silken lining but that's a bait embellishment

I'd honestly still just go Lariat regardless

Because it affects AoE as well as ST

Where Shadowflame is ever so slightly better in ST

Of course this is all assuming you have full sockets which is a later down the line issue anyway

[wet roost]

I never have the gem slots needed to get the full buff of lariat

[dapper goblet]

:chatting:

[oblique trail]

xeos

fk u

[young swan]

not simming generous chest

[junior gale]

friendship embelishments

[olive wraith]

What’s the chest even do?

[young swan]

give vers to friends

[olive wraith]

What are we Aug?

Gross

[young swan]

if u have 2 in the same party its quite good

[olive wraith]

I keep meaning to look at the set piece stats

[young swan]

sorry if u have 2 in melee

its quite good

its 4 closest allies

[modest condor]

dont let nomeratur read this

[young swan]

doesnt stack which is kinda gg but as long as the users cover each other its good

[olive wraith]

So just run dk ret hpal

Oh no stack

[oblique trail]

sim it then pssy

I will not because I do not see it in cowfarmers setup

unless it's the verdant tether or w/e

[jade garden]

Just got bodied on the meters by a DH 10 ilvls below me in a +20. Is this how it's gonna be or does it get better for us?

[mint obsidian]

guys the currect build with Annhilator feels kinda clunky sometimes? sometimes i noticed that i have nothing to press

[oblique trail]

you don't use annihilator until you have 2p of the new set bonus

but outside of that, you can occasionally, rarely but still, run into having a tiny bit of downtime

[junior gale]

sounds like skill diff to me

[mint obsidian]

yeah exactly that, tiny bit, 1-2 seconds or soemthing

[olive wraith]

It’s not common to have empty gcd

[mint obsidian]

with annihilator build?

[olive wraith]

Yes

[mint obsidian]

Do we use Slam?

[oblique trail]

yes

[olive wraith]

Yes

[jade garden]

I'm pretty competent on Fury, would often get orange parses when raiding and he's self admittedly not great on DH yet

[wet roost]

ANyone pre running that in t30? The annihilaror build?

[modest condor]

well on ptr dh was gapping us by like 100k overall

but that was also with new tier

[olive wraith]

It’s a big damage loss if you run anni without tier

[mint obsidian]

really?

[junior gale]

dh needs new tier im still keeping up with the dh I play with in my key group

[olive wraith]

Yes lol

[mint obsidian]

i just copy pasted from IcyVeins

[wet roost]

You mean the new tier right?

[dark flower]

sending tokens..? wdym

[olive wraith]

Even if you don’t have t30 it’s better to use an rav

[quiet bramble]

So, does the existence of 450 paracausal trinkets change anything for pre-season?

[dark flower]

human alt to 10, then human main

[olive wraith]

Ya we don’t use anni until t31

[jade garden]

This was with an aug as 3rd, idk if that makes a difference

[junior gale]

maybe coulda been a dungeon diff too and build diff. I still feel like we should keep up until next week when they get tier and shove us into the dirt

[clever path]

https://i.imgur.com/k4ZiQ2j.png

did you do this?

[jade garden]

Fair, will keep an eye on it

[clever path]

cant find them

[dark flower]

the side quests? yeah

[clever path]

where do you find them?

cant get them

[dark flower]

wdym

you take all of the quest chain starters in the main hub

[slim pollen]

Renown 10 on alt, time for main! 😄

[desert cloud]

Can i have the link to this one

Or the name

[upbeat plume]

What renown is the augment rune?

Not at home atm lol

[desert cloud]

Of wa

[clever path]

https://wago.io/TamasDragonflightHelper

[desert cloud]

Ty

[brittle crow]

is reck/ava still bugged

do i still have to press ava first

to not lose 8 sec

[oblique trail]

it's not

[young swan]

no

[brittle crow]

bless

[wary grove]

Which rare it drops off?

[vagrant cave]

So as a fresh 80, just be safe and pick the T31 builds?

[olive wraith]

No

T30

[rotund steppe]

my man is already in the next xpac

[olive wraith]

Can take out the bt talents though

For rb/ex talents

[vagrant cave]

Oh, I thought T30 builds were based off having that set bonus? Does the talent balancing for 10.2 negate that?

[olive wraith]

T31 talents use annihilator which is not as good without tier

[dark flower]

18

[olive wraith]

With no set am ravager is best

[vagrant cave]

Gotcha, ty

[olive wraith]

But like I said you’d be better off removing the bt talents

Since you won’t really press it without t30

[sharp silo]

lol

[inner zinc]

What will happen with the legendary if we have a S4?

[languid seal]

is fury looking better than arms atm?

[fading sky]

no arms looks better than fury atm

in this tier

[coarse nest]

I would assume Evoker and axe Lego will drop from there respective raids again

[rotund steppe]

same as shadowlands

[coarse nest]

Would be odd if they didn’t

[rotund steppe]

they will get upgraded

[inner zinc]

Never did Shadowlands. But thats good to know.

[hazy goblet]

I’ve seen a lot of people saying arms better than fury tho 😮

[fading sky]

exactly and currently it is

[languid seal]

thanks, just wanted to gauge where to start as im coming back this tier as warrior

[fading sky]

cos arms got a buff going into this tier, and with current gear its prob a bit stranger

but once u get the NEW tier

its prob a bit better on fury in somefights and arms other

[languid seal]

ahh

[oak peak]

Do you just not get any kind of crest from m+ this week?

[fading sky]

all depends on which dmg profile we will want and shit

[hazy goblet]

oh hmmm

[languid seal]

S2 u do, S3 is properly out next week as far as i have seen

[fading sky]

ye s3 is next reset now we just gettin to farm rep

and have fun

chill

[languid seal]

cheers man i appreciate your responses 🙂

[fading sky]

i mean the worst part of this tier

[oak peak]

I mean if we wanted to run some m+ this week just for fun, they’re kinda pointless right?

[fading sky]

is 100% the looks OF our tier

i mean 100% for fun its the old dungeons as well

[oak peak]

Yeah

[fading sky]

so i mean only reason would be if u wanted to test some new specs and shit

[languid seal]

u dont like looking like a rusted can?

[fading sky]

exactly

[burnt crypt]

?????

💀

[fading sky]

it feel more DK than warrior esque that tier

[oak peak]

Yeah basically. Our healer switched and wants to try out stuff basically

[fading sky]

i mean @jade garden thats not a warrior problem thats a DH problem my friend

[languid seal]

yeah DH r stupid this tier atm

[fading sky]

like dh is so overtuned atm

both dh and rogue

will get the stick for certain

atm outlaw sims 30k above the middle of the specs

[languid seal]

im just a heroic raider so maybe i can go towards the top haha

[steel shard]

warrior unholy and ret

is just fucking tuned around the lego

[languid seal]

fury is much funner to play tho than outlaw, u have to vanish and shadowstep etc as outlaw now

[fading sky]

well im never going leather

[steel shard]

after you get lego you are gonna be good

[fading sky]

once u go plate theres no way back

[steel shard]

before that

below average

[fading sky]

i mean we shall c but lego surely will help decently

tbh we will be pretty close to top

if they just nerf outlaw a bit

and dh

its the 2 outlier specs

[languid seal]

they will, last time outlaw was like this, they smashed it with nerfs

[fading sky]

which again they kindda have to

coz if they are That good at st

what happens once theres just a bit of small cleave

^_^

[bitter iron]

They are that good at pretty much anything atm

Except very big pulls

[languid seal]

we set our loot sepc to arms dont we as fury? so we dont get 1h

[bitter iron]

Yeah

[languid seal]

oh rip my warrior is only 408 lol man its been awhile

[brittle crow]

i got pathfinder and now litemount wont prioritize dragonriding

reeee why couldnt old flying just be removed

[frozen portal]

is 80k ish ST on par for new 430 ilvl missing some enchants etc

or is that some dogwater

[gilded pawn]

i recommend gearing up to 400 first and ask again

330 was our ilevel 3 years ago

[modest talon]

think is worth hitting rank 7 today

[next canopy]

Me want

[modest talon]

or keep the rep tokens for dark moon?XD

[frozen portal]

excuse me

430

[sinful spoke]

did they fix the clipping issue?

[young swan]

the horns are stowed in the nook cause the pieces were designed together

[onyx fox]

they nerfed seed farming

[cedar edge]

bruh

[onyx fox]

[cedar edge]

fun detected

[rotund steppe]

and still havent fixed the rares lmao

[onyx fox]

congrats crit ❤️

[onyx fox]

👏

[mossy fox]

i am so dumb

[zenith moat]

leading by example

[mossy fox]

[minor schooner]

[mighty hull]

any degens in the chat

[minor halo]

BUILT DIFFERENT

[urban coral]

https://tenor.com/view/jeff-goldblum-crazy-son-of-a-bitch-you-did-it-jurrasic-park-gif-19484615

[modest condor]

get a life nerd

[fickle bluff]

holy moly

[covert blaze]

Goddamn

Already?

[meager void]

this for real?

[edgy widget]

also by example 👏

[meager void]

damn critcake built different

[edgy widget]

Meanwhile I haven't even logged in yet LOL

[mighty hull]

meanwhile I've been stuck at 8 on alt and can't figure out why

[coarse nest]

Non alt route gets me 18 next week right?

[fickle bluff]

unless you eat sleep and shit dreamseeds i dont think so

non alt route will take considerably longer since you dont get many more one time bonuses

[rotund steppe]

week 3

[limpid kelp]

do you have to have 2 sparks to recraft your 2h?

[fickle bluff]

yes

[limpid kelp]

kk

[dire badge]

[full portal]

what are we crafting brothers

[slim coral]

guys my curose went invis

in wow

hjow do i fix this

[strange panther]

My guilds adorable, they want to raid ASTC tomorrow to get a feel for the new changes.

[coarse nest]

So I haven’t used any of the rep tokens yet so I could do it on an alt first and still get most of the value right?

[red yew]

[frosty scroll]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/772890496355794955/1171962959900196964/f27nt0ewc6zb1.png?ex=655e968f&is=654c218f&hm=4fbb250316fc8ed0e9ff13dbf1024169c3b78e2856a816265df8d58c2b4b55d3&

[fickle bluff]

most yeah

[charred drum]

I'm seeing that we are gonna play with shockwave in m+ this season is it really worth it to drop the 30 sec cdr on roar aren't we gonna loose some dmg with this ?

[sharp silo]

wasnt it same in s2?

[round geyser]

Dead game.

[keen kindle]

Yes you do

But the aoe stop is also great

[dire badge]

[fading sky]

i mean the difference is 1½ min roar is slightly better in fury coz we dont play anger management anyways

[modest condor]

wtf why did you use ½ instead of just 1.5

[fading bane]

bro looks cooler ngl

[covert blaze]

I like 1:30

[red yew]

3 divided by 2 minute cooldown

[young swan]

dude

[modest condor]

90 seconds

[young swan]

2m is 200s and 1.5m is 150s

[fading bane]

12 divided by 8 min cooldowns go hard

[modest condor]

1/40th of an hour

[unreal cape]

so we still dont know anything about the legendary axe of 10.2 ?

will only find out once raid is out?

[frank dawn]

No info. Prob be first kill on mythic to unlock it, but no one knows

[covert blaze]

Did evoker leggo drop on WF kill?

[frank dawn]

It did

[quiet oak]

which item should we craft week 1? Bracers?

[compact hollow]

allied wrists yea

[mighty hull]

what are we goin for as second embellishment

[meager void]

give it a sec before crafting

[young swan]

vers chest or shadowflame patch probably

[meager void]

balancing gnomes are hard at work

[young swan]

wait and see™

[dapper goblet]

🧎‍♂️

[quiet oak]

why would we? Its a tier slot that gives a lot of stats

[young swan]

cause its good

its equal in damage to shadowflame (when taking into account the buffed allies) with no self damage

it only gets better when u add extra chests

[sinful spoke]

alt done

[opal monolith]

am i missing something or is this new build boring as hell compared to AM

no ravager either meh

back to 1,5m warrior

is the old build that far behind

[gilded pawn]

yeah abou 19%

[serene moat]

T31 doesn't buff the old build at all

[opal monolith]

how is the fury warr community feeling about this, im giga out of loop first time i checked the game or this disc in months

[serene moat]

Losing so much reck uptime sucks, that's the only thing I'm bothered for

[covert blaze]

That's very subjective isn't it

[brittle folio]

How much are stat priorities for fury changing, if much at all

[opal monolith]

just asked what others think didnt i

and yea my opinion is that 1,5 min warrior is boring but more power to u if u like it

[slim coral]

Nice main time

[serene moat]

Seems to change into mystery/vers prio

[sinful spoke]

:yeshoney:

[covert blaze]

Unrelated

[slim coral]

OF in raid is fine cause you can keep uptime pretty high

In keys it really feels bad

[brittle folio]

Haste is looking to take a 25% nerf…but I feel as though, that’s going to slow the build down excessively

[slim coral]

Because outside of the avatar roar there’s no dmg

[mild thunder]

Sustained damage spec.

[slim coral]

More like healer dmg spec

[mild thunder]

Gonna do the best healer damage I can.

[dapper goblet]

👨‍🦼

[half cargo]

It’s evolving

[wanton mirage]

that new dreamsurge and timerift gears

[strange panther]

when you get the rune is purchasing it account wide?

[wanton mirage]

if someone hoarded those tokens, could be 450 all gear slot?

[dusky moon]

@dire badge were you involved in the OW tier 2 system?

[olive wraith]

its time to respec gang

[sullen dove]

did u do like a +16

why 174k

[covert blaze]

For time rift stuff? I read you need to get the currencies after the patch

[olive wraith]

21

[sullen dove]

300k or bust

[olive wraith]

Bh so a lot of padding

I’m not good

I can’t ever beat nelth 16

Plus I was playing really wrong it seems

[ocean thistle]

So are the new specs we should be using before the new tier? Or same spec as before till tier?

[clever belfry]

u stay same until new tier 2pc

[gaunt delta]

man that renown grind was trash lol nothing else i can do renown 15.

[covert blaze]

Go farm seeds lol

[gaunt delta]

that got nerfed to the ground

its not worth the time investment

[clever belfry]

U just gotta get 16ish before reset

then ull be good with weekly stuff

[dire badge]

no but if its a funny bit yeah

[gaunt delta]

eh i think even at 15 ill be good with weekely stuff as long as i do anything daily and WQ reset of friday

[dusky moon]

A friend of mine was involved in the scene and there was a Maid there

didnt know if it was you

[wanton mirage]

the plan is to get the rune in week 2 of raid right?

[clever belfry]

OW has many femboy maids

dw

[gaunt delta]

if i wanted to be a real degenerate id go do all wq in dragon isle with this contract but no

[dusky moon]

week 1 of raid

next thursday

[wanton mirage]

4k for a contract , damn capitalism

[brittle crow]

did fury always have second wind?

or is that what they replaced the rally talent with

[edgy widget]

always in Dragonflight, yes

[brittle crow]

huh

[steady path]

Is there another good build that avoids annhilator ?

[modest condor]

no

[midnight scaffold]

[clever belfry]

paid 12k each for both of mine

👍

[lavish grove]

got scammed

[olive wraith]

Arms

[wanton mirage]

[steady path]

is arms currently better than fury?

[modest condor]

could have sent that gold to me instead

[olive wraith]

Arms seems like the better m+ spec. Fury might be better for raid

Both are mid

[young swan]

the last boss seems to suit arms better than fury

[clever belfry]

nope

im poor in wow currently

[final birch]

crit said 3 arms warriors

on last boss

[clever belfry]

800k to my name

[young swan]

i am aware

crit was memeing

[final birch]

ye I figured

[young swan]

2 could maybe be real

[brittle crow]

i have 800k and its the most ive ever had xd

[buoyant salmon]

holy moly get ur money up not ur funny up dawg

[final birch]

did u lock in choco

[buoyant salmon]

no i didnt do any keys

[clever belfry]

what

[buoyant salmon]

title is for nerds

[final birch]

im gonna be

massive fotm

I already made dh

whenever I sniff even a hint of other class becoming meta I'm gonna reroll asap

[buoyant salmon]

not gonna be doing keys this tier i dont think

[final birch]

I mean it's either this for me or not doing keys at all

still can't decide

depends whether I'm too stupid to learn dh on a proper level or not

[buoyant salmon]

[final birch]

(:

I tried sticking to my stuff

[clever belfry]

Was free af to get

[final birch]

this season

[clever belfry]

play key for 1 week

[final birch]

https://tenor.com/view/rock-one-eyebrow-raised-rock-staring-the-rock-gif-22113367

wonder with what class

[lavish grove]

[buoyant salmon]

no friends to play with

[final birch]

imagine

my team quit literally the moment they nerfed the dungeons

my teams tank pugged his way to title afterwards because he can shapeshift

[buoyant salmon]

brother

if sakosm can get title

[final birch]

who

[buoyant salmon]

literally anyone in the world can as fotm

on na servers he just sat in queue all day "lf 29 nl or 28 vp" stuff like that and his highest were like 26s 25s

[final birch]

keks

[buoyant salmon]

for those keys

[final birch]

I had a couple of guys here too

I remember putting my think it was 27 vp for que

[buoyant salmon]

there are people that do that but this guy was ALL DAYYYY

[final birch]

and the guy kept spamming inv please im good enough

trust me

I wont fail you

etc

[opal monolith]

when do we change to anni? whenever we drop current 4p or whenever we get t31 4P?

[final birch]

and the guy was scaly bitch and actually got his title

[buoyant salmon]

[lavish grove]

2p t31

[opal monolith]

thank you

[buoyant salmon]

im good enough guys i can have 48% ebon might uptime

[final birch]

mf's barely making 60% in keys and think they're at 3.7k level

but like

aug is op enough class that it can top/be very close in most dungeons assuming other 2 dps and tank can click their buttons equally

yet 90% augs <3.8k but still title range cant even come close

keks

[brisk wadi]

any rec on which trinket to get from the timerift vendor?

running 441 anvil and essence rn

[fading bane]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1exJeu5eVe4bTmyg3WFx5PTxIWvDLi0j-WW-XWpGoG88/htmlview tier sheet updated

surprised it has 4pc -> 4pc for us that low, simmed as a 10% gain for me

[next canopy]

I know him

[next canopy]

What is the arms playstyle now?

[olive wraith]

Ww spam

[left perch]

It has a new red bar on your UI that never goes away

[harsh bough]

Guys, Should i change the rotation or traits before get T31?

[mental rune]

not until 2p + 2p

[rigid stirrup]

just have another talent tree set up with season 3 bars

[autumn mica]

the rep grind today has been a rollercoaster of emotions with all these buffs and nerfs

[rigid stirrup]

not me trying to find a drogbar rocks to upgrade to 450 for the meme

[olive wraith]

Don’t think it’s a meme

Rocks are strong

[modest condor]

when did you sim that? because there was an issue with spear that just got fixed

[next canopy]

Really? Arms with no rage issues?

[fading bane]

Earlier today

[modest condor]

which had spear simming about 3% lower than it should

[fading bane]

And i simmed it again

Like rn

[olive wraith]

You don’t run out of rage

[fading bane]

And got same result

[modest condor]

link your sim

[olive wraith]

And you over cap a lot

[next canopy]

@left perch if that’s the case it sounds pretty fun

[olive wraith]

In your cs windows you left spam ww

[modest condor]

im more surprised that they have 2p 2p simming lower than t30 4p

[fading bane]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qPTvXPRWCZUyuHxVNad4yz @modest condor

[modest condor]

you're simming t30 aoe build vs t31 st build

[fading bane]

i legit got the st t30 build checked

why raidbots do this to me

[modest condor]

nightly isnt updated yet i guess (use latest) so it's still undersimming spear

[left perch]

yea this is what I been hearing. Just infinity anger

[modest condor]

the st sim must be one of these http://puu.sh/JU4XM/16c2f8f53f.png

[left perch]

does details bug out if the server or my latency spikes a bit?

[next canopy]

Sick

[left perch]

I registered some rather larger burst windows

on Devoker

[fading bane]

tried simming only ST build, and it just refuses to use it in the sim

[modest condor]

did you swap to latest rather than nightly?

[fading bane]

i try 1 sec

[modest condor]

also that sheet still has the dumb 30% increase from tierset thing

[left perch]

we get so many more questions about it this week too

[fading bane]

@modest condor it included the other talent setup now, but sim was still same with 4pc

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7ZVSrkyip4LPpCHs3dt7Ub

[modest condor]

wait hold up

it's because your talent builds have empty names

[fading bane]

I dno worked when i put latest

7% is more aligned with sims from sheet

[modest condor]

yeah

at that point it's just a matter of secondaries

also explains why 2p2p is simming so low in their sheet i think

because 2p2p really doesnt care about haste at all

and the t30 template has a ton of haste

[fading bane]

The profile uses s fuckton of haste

Like 6k

[modest condor]

yeah

[fading bane]

While profile for t31 bis is like 3k lol

[modest condor]

yeah but 4p t31 cares more about haste than 2p2p

like 2p2p is legit just "get enough haste to have enrage uptime"

4p at least also cares about OF cdr

still a lot less than AM tho

[fading bane]

The big takeaway is that fury is high on the 4pc tier list

Yoink

[mossy fox]

i have prio on zenith

[fading bane]

Sub is higher % gain but dunno if u play it

[mossy fox]

[fading bane]

I got 2x curio last tier

For week 1 4pc

[modest condor]

we dont do tier distribution like that :(

we just /roll

[fading bane]

Can respect that

If u want to go even more minmax, u look who gains most from purely the 4pc, cus everyone gets free 2pc

[left perch]

That’s good isn’t it like 30% gain for you?

[modest condor]

[mossy fox]

xdd

[fading bane]

:aware:

[tardy lark]

My guild leaders didnt buy the 30%

[fading bane]

I insta knew why it was so high when i saw the numbers

[left perch]

humble brag

[modest condor]

dude same

[tardy lark]

fury fuck good

[fading bane]

Bonk bonk pang

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[covert blaze]

[modest condor]

arms is looking pretty juicy in m+ tho from what i've heard