but thats purely dps
#fury
serene vessel
junior gale
everytime you die to threat remember if u were a nelf u would of lived
serene vessel
NE/dwarf will always be the most impactful for m+
whole pier
everytime you die to threat remember if u were a nelf u would of lived
interesting why? do you just meld during burst?
toxic grove
any news about the axe?
junior gale
meld is vanish so its also a threat reset
serene vessel
for instance last pull in nelths lair this season, you could pull a scorpion as warrior, then shadowmeld to reset aggro while the rest of your team pulled the last boss. This allowed you to skip one of the packs, which considering they were the hardest packs in the dungeon it gave u a better route
junior gale
if u get agro on anything just meld
whole pier
i see
junior gale
but yeah what Yuski is saying its big use is to cheese mechanics
serene vessel
same with neltharus, the anvil boss if he targeted u first with the hammer
u shadowmeld and he didnt throw hammers
lot of cheese shit u can do with shadowmeld
whole pier
do you need a meld macro or does base meld work fine
serene vessel
base meld
compact crater
anyone playing new patch yet and knows how to get drake crests except plaing seeds?
remote tulip
so is our tier pieces the same like last season? helm/shoulders/gloves/chest?
analog kite
so ilvl for gear in M+ doesnt increase until next week?
junior gale
M+ and raids dont come out till next week
analog kite
has anyone seen what ilvl drops from the new zone?
junior gale
weekly purples are 441-450 random green gear is like 420
burnt stone
https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2udoYpE53SKN8BQJWWRmAo
https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fbNY1ZaRTeyVgCLvJEQAXv
- simc before spore cloak nerf
- simc after spore cloak nerf
olive wraith
so is our tier pieces the same like last season? helm/shoulders/gloves/chest?
Tier pieces are always the same slots
Oh you left out legs my b. You mean which pieces we prio
Honestly haven’t even looked at the stats on the pieces. I’m pretty sure we have so much secondaries now that any mix would be good. Just sim your remaining gear and it should even out
next canopy
compact crater
https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2udoYpE53SKN8BQJWWRmAo
https://mimiro...
any other embelishment we could play?
burnt stone
any other embelishment we could play?
https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pspK51kznDcZ6859fJAmGA
This is an alternative I came up with following the Spore Cloak nerf.
Allied Wristguard of Companionship + Shadowflame equip added to the crafted cloak.
If there are any other good options, please let me know.
olive wraith
Did you try lariat at all
compact crater
lariat, frostfire belt, maybe even the chest that gives vers?
olive wraith
Belt got nerfed im pretty sure
compact crater
and big take might be the 2h crafted weapon with proc?
midnight cairn
Besides port and hearthstone, is there any other way of getting back to val quickly?
compact crater
i mean i dont know how to test stuff, servers are down on eu and i have no idea how to sim new items
remote tulip
Tier pieces are always the same slots
for sho thanks
olive wraith
Whoops sorry didn’t click on the list didn’t realize
clever path
anyone know how long it will take to reach renown 18 playing just one char?
burnt stone
lariat, frostfire belt, maybe even the chest that gives vers?
The combination I mentioned had higher dps than combining the lariat and the 489ilvl cloak.
olive wraith
I assume lariat pulls ahead in aoe?
dense elbow
The combination I mentioned had higher dps than combining the lariat and the 489...
5t sims done?
burnt stone
I haven't tried the belt, but the item level is low and the effect is not that good.
compact crater
ok so its basically wrist guards + 1 shadowflame?
burnt stone
5t sims done?
Currently, only ST APL is valid for APL.
MT APL is not perfect.
whole pier
is it 10 or 11 down with m+ keys for next week? like if i do a 22 timed will i get a 11 or 12?
compact crater
what about 2 handed wep with proc? i mean stats are kinda ass but might be worh a try?
or in general the one embeli that you can attack to weap
dense elbow
I can wait another 2 weeks for MT, nps
burnt stone
ok so its basically wrist guards + 1 shadowflame?
That's right, and even if the ilvl is low, it seems best to make Shadow Flame with a cloak that has less strength.
olive wraith
is it 10 or 11 down with m+ keys for next week? like if i do a 22 timed will i ...
Decays by 11
olive wraith
what about 2 handed wep with proc? i mean stats are kinda ass but might be worh ...
The wep is really bad
burnt stone
This is the highest level ILVL standard simc.
Right now, crafting weapons may have stronger dps.
compact crater
okay ^^
olive wraith
Double wafting surprises me
burnt stone
Double wafting surprises me
I'm surprised too.
It has higher dps than combining sophic.
compact crater
maybe because of ani?
burnt stone
It may be because of ANNI, and the reasons may vary.
tawdry sluice
is there a warror APL that is being updated for 10.2?
would love to see the link if possible
burnt stone
What is certain is that because of ANNI, we receive a lot of the effects of WF.
Pray that your shaman will do his job normally.
olive wraith
Can we finally be pi targets 
summer quail
anni wft 2x wafting smf db. ultimate autoattack
compact crater
well as far as i know shamans dont wanna skill wft that much anymore
summer quail
they for sure want to
dense elbow
2x daggers
compact crater
imagine smf is better this season KEKL
olive wraith
In raid they do I think
burnt stone
Since auto-attack and ANNI contribute a lot to DPS, if we are unable to attack for a while in actual combat, the decline in DPS will become much worse.
olive wraith
M+ I think they have a choice not to
tawdry sluice
https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pspK51kznDcZ6859fJAmGA/simc
thank you so much!
summer quail
ye idk bout m+, but if they don't pick wft in raid they are trolling
burnt stone
If there are many cases where you have to stop attacking in practice, Arms may have stronger dps.
dense elbow
Arms die, we zugzug and live, fury overall supreme!
olive wraith
I might play arms in m+
burnt stone
Arms die, we zugzug and live, fury overall supreme!
Well, in practice, it may be different from SIMC.
Even in Season 2, Fury had higher simc dps than arms.
In WCL, Arms had higher dps.
dense elbow
Fury got more HPS 
summer quail
I might play arms in m+
FoB collateral damage seems pretty fun. not tried it myself yet
olive wraith
Ya fury do be healing a lot
burnt stone
At the very beginning of Season 1, Blizzard nerfed the high hps of the build using Fury's BTorBB.
Something similar may happen in season 3.
dense elbow
Doubt they will nerf fury HPS. It is the only thing we got going for us in m+
I hate autocorrect with a passion
burnt stone
I didn't want to use any more Shadowflame Equips, so I put all the Equips in the cloak and simulated it.
Unfortunately, Shadow Flame had the highest dps.
I thought this would be good, but it wasn't so good
summer quail
above 70% is kinda inconsistent as well
tawdry sluice
where can we find the best talents to run in M+ and Raid for patch 10.2? For fury warrior
summer quail
Wait arms is taking fob?
not necessarily, did see some people mess around with the build for m+
olive wraith
The cleave must be pretty damn good
summer quail
ye, you lose a decent bit of st tho
gilded pawn
yeah you are spending so many points on top row
taking both fob and bloodsurge
in exchange for middle row talents
burnt stone
where can we find the best talents to run in M+ and Raid for patch 10.2? For fur...
Wowhead guide has been updated. Please confirm it.
The information in the guide may change at any time.
It's a time of a lot of change.
So check it often
summer quail
still gonna try it a bit, but bladestorm prob just better
olive wraith
I’m down with Bladestorm too
compact crater
Wowhead guide has been updated. Please confirm it.
The information in the guide...
wowhead still says sporecloak tho
summer quail
wowhead says sporecloak for all classes since it was last minute nerf
burnt stone
wowhead still says sporecloak tho
The Spore Cloak was nerfed yesterday.
And it hasn't been long since Raidbot's application was implemented.
tawdry sluice
Wowhead guide has been updated. Please confirm it.
The information in the guide...
thank you so much!! ❤️
compact crater
still have to figure out how to play today.....with numb and hurting hands -.-
burnt stone
Anyway, I think what replaces the spore cloak is
This is a crafting cloak with shadow flame applied.
But archi may find a better item.
Fury Warriors must always take care of their finger health.
Check whether the key assignment for frequently pressed skills does not cause discomfort to your fingers.
compact crater
Fury Warriors must always take care of their finger health.
Check whether the k...
nah i got scabies for some weird reason
burnt stone
Oh my...
compact crater
have no fkn idea how
paper ocean
WH havent updated the rotation yet
whole silo
what should we use our spark on?
summer quail
WH havent updated the rotation yet
coz there's no update to be had. it only changes when we get tier
paper ocean
what should we use our spark on?
Maybe wrist
burnt stone
If you want to check out the 10.2 rotation in a video, please refer to the video I posted.
Except for a few minor mistakes, it is almost the same rotation as APL.
left perch
is there a bug where if you complete the campaign for 1 splinter, and then later complete the quest to give you 2 splinters - you only have 2 in your bag not 3?
paper ocean
coz there's no update to be had. it only changes when we get tier
Would still like to see it 😄
young swan
is there a bug where if you complete the campaign for 1 splinter, and then later...
same thing happened to me
left perch
same thing happened to me
are we silently capped on them maybe?
left perch
fun
young swan
pretty sure thats how it works
compact crater
is there a bug where if you complete the campaign for 1 splinter, and then later...
did you find a way to obtain drake crests except plating seeds and turning in that quest?
left perch
did you find a way to obtain drake crests except plating seeds and turning in th...
i haven't been paying attention. i have planted a purple seed, and I have done the seed quest
compact crater
i haven't been paying attention. i have planted a purple seed, and I have done t...
if you find any way pls let me know
compact crater
okay
whole pier
do you swap talents to t31 when you get 2-2 of the new and old set? or do you stay t30 build till you get t4 of the new tier?
whole silo
What are we gonna craft w new spark ?
gilded pawn
yeah
valid moon
something tells me to wait
junior gale
ask again next week should have concrete info then
whole silo
alrighty
edgy widget
it's wrists and shadowflame cloak, but yeah - there's no reason to craft right now anyway, especially since Blizz probably gonna change some more shit over the next week
winter shoal
https://youtu.be/kcaHVhtQnUk?si=AM6arJ7ePiONze1X
I can feel the PTR lag through the video, I'm so sorry
vagrant cave
So is there a reason to do m+ or older content to gear up? Or just spend your time in the Dream til you kill all the rares?
Since you cant upgrade older content gear
junior gale
if you want can do a key so you have a key for next week
vagrant cave
if you want can do a key so you have a key for next week
I thought that was something they learned, not to kill all older content 😦
vagrant cave
I know, it would just be nice if I could do something other than the Dream
left perch
do you have an item to grant rep in ya bags
junior gale
you can
compact crater
not sure what else i can do
plant trees KEKL
whole silo
it's wrists and shadowflame cloak, but yeah - there's no reason to craft right n...
Crafted cloak w Shaw doe flame ?
junior gale
you can still do M+ and abberrus
edgy widget
Crafted cloak w Shaw doe flame ?
no, the onyxia one
south kayak
vagrant cave
you can still do M+ and abberrus
But y6ou cant upgrade the gear, right?
junior gale
cant upgrade it no
vagrant cave
Thats what I meant. All other content other than the Dream is effectively dead
sullen dove
plant trees KEKL
does that actually give rep i didnt think it did
junior gale
if for whatever reason u still need gear because your fresh then yeah only the dream until next week
compact crater
does that actually give rep i didnt think it did
should give 25 each
south kayak
Is there an expected time as to when the servers go live?
whole silo
no, the onyxia one
Ah ok só as of now embels are wrists and a shadow flame patch ?
covert coyote
ye
compact crater
Is there an expected time as to when the servers go live?
in launcher it says 11 am
south kayak
junior gale
Dont worry you wont have to wait 12 hours like the NA beta testers
compact crater
i hope we have to wait longer since i still need to go to the doc
junior gale
theres no rush to do 30 minutes of world content
sinful spoke
Has anyone tried to do the rep for this shit i did the campaign and events on my alt human with buffs and only got to renown 5 and a half
winter shoal
Did you have DMF buff?
You need that and also have to do side quests and world quests and shit
sinful spoke
Yeha im doing wqs tomorrow cuz im tired and side quests too but i had hallows end buff and dmf at the dame time
serene moat
any idea when eu servers come online?
sinful spoke
Go to sleep and theyll be up when u wake up
serene moat
its early morning dude, i slept the whole night
lucid owl
anyone know if we are just doing it on our main and not minmaxing with an alt. if we use the rep insignias or wait for a week?
compact crater
its early morning dude, i slept the whole night
launcher says in 4 hours
sinful spoke
its early morning dude, i slept the whole night
Take a lil nap u deserve it
serene moat
sullen dove
man im 1600 rep away from renown 10 wtf..
shadow saddle
servers are up btw
serene moat
servers are up btw
ty
lean heart
the symbol change is kinda shit on sark
stuck bison
man im 1600 rep away from renown 10 wtf..
Does 10th renown gives perma aug ?
subtle lagoon
Pretty sure it's 18th renown
orchid stag
whats the best thing to spend your first spark on?
sullen dove
Does 10th renown gives perma aug ?
renown 10 means i can play on my main
wanton mirage
I hate this shit already. Getting new patch and my main is sleeping
junior gale
I mean nothing is forcing you to get the aug rune as fast as possible
wanton mirage
Peer pressure
woeful grove
Why you pretending like that aug rune matters when youll be wiping on heroic for the next 9 months
woeful grove
no toxic my bad
wanton mirage
Isnt wiping is the reason we try get perma aug rune?
woeful grove
but does getting the aug rune in 7 days instead of 13 days really matter that much?
woeful grove
so play your main, have fun with the patch and dont worry brother
vocal beacon
but does getting the aug rune in 7 days instead of 13 days really matter that mu...
why is it 13 days instead of 7? How would you get it so quick
vocal beacon
ah true haha, supposedly doing it this way it will save 2 weeks of playtime?
I didn't do it that way though
junior gale
new raid and dungeons come out next week
keen kindle
Correct
winged ivy
why they had to remove the mythic NPC
i mean the vault NPC that u could buy with sparks
i wanted to put socket in my helm 😛
sacred lantern
Wait, did I read the new WoWhead guide right? Sporecloak is now one of our best in slot embellishments?
naive glacier
keen kindle
Wait, did I read the new WoWhead guide right? Sporecloak is now one of our best ...
Sporecloak got like a 70% nerf
So it's not even worth thinking about
edgy widget
Wait, did I read the new WoWhead guide right? Sporecloak is now one of our best ...
the guide was updated hours ago!
versed glade
sorry if this been asked, but is annihilator better without 4set? just coming back from a long break on a fresh toon.
eternal sundial
Not better without
olive wraith
Needs 2p
versed glade
ah sweet, thats not hard
sullen dove
proly not
sullen dove
only like semi tough thing on the fight is making sure you do all the roots
we have done it
main grinding begins tomorrow
eternal sundial
Yuge
glad tangle
we have done it
Which guide did you use @sullen dove ? Just use a human alt with DMF buff?
Grats btw!!
sullen dove
didnt rly use guide other than checklist for what i mightve been missing
but i had 10% halloween buff for all of the main campaign and its tokens
oblique trail
is there a port from valdrakken to emerald dream
sullen dove
and like half of the side quests
oblique trail
aint no way I fly there every time
oblique trail
gg
sullen dove
but yeah human + dmf + halloween for half the rep was a nice 30% boost
covert blaze
aint no way I fly there every time
I flew there 6 times before learning about the portal
sullen dove
theres also a warmode quest in valdrakken that gives a 1000 rep token, so thats big good
i saw liquid players farming eachother in war mode for that presumably lmao
glad tangle
theres also a warmode quest in valdrakken that gives a 1000 rep token, so thats ...
Ooooooh nice
I didn’t realize Halloween buff stacked. Just have human + dmf
sullen dove
there was also this one side quest that was completely far from everything else around the eye of ysera that gives 1500 rep's worth of tokens
for like helping a tree called gracus or some shit
glad tangle
Word thanks!
sullen dove
and ofc the 8 treasures that give 200 each
wowhead only lists like, 3 of the real ones, theres 4 ones you have to /sleep for, and handynotes has the locations of all that including a rep treasure wowhead didnt list
some glow thing on the end of a tree
i bought a contract and didnt even do that many world quests
i did like 5 rip me but ey
1500 rep over lvl 10
rich marlin
might be dumb but whats the best way to collect flightstones? havent played since 10.0
sullen dove
any and all content
rn not much more to do than just quests and events and stuff
but like it'll come from m+/raid and presumably pvp tho dont know for sure
when all that opens next week
oblique trail
there was also this one side quest that was completely far from everything else ...
where do I get the quest for this dead fertiliser
compact crater
got mount from seeds first try LUL
oblique trail
I'm at him and there's no quest
clear wharf
Is it possible to reach renown 10 with just darmoon hate this week?
compact crater
Is it possible to reach renown 10 with just darmoon hate this week?
yep
should be
i think
olive wraith
Does m+ drop flightstones this week
edgy widget
So since I've been out for the past week - any interesting or insightful discussions?
fading bane
i think ur flightstones are gold now
junior gale
So since I've been out for the past week - any interesting or insightful discuss...
just constant posting of the same Lego axe leaks over and over again.
serene moat
Can't wait Legy reveal
oblique trail
i think ur flightstones are gold now
The s2 ones ye, you can get new ones
sullen wagon
So since I've been out for the past week - any interesting or insightful discuss...
Nahhh, except way to degen farm the rune w1
edgy widget
just constant posting of the same Lego axe leaks over and over again.
Yeah I saw those
oblique trail
people omega desperate to know about the lego before the raid is even open
fading bane
like the evoker one
serene moat
True
fading bane
cant wait for my hpala and prot pala to wield it before me
sudden tusk
we have done it
what the fuck
sudden tusk
we have done it
human alt + contract?
serene moat
Was the Evo Lego announced pre
Season?
lunar summit
No
edgy widget
what'd everyone think of the Hero talent stuff?
junior gale
I felt like the axe leak posters got almost as bad as the people who constantly ask if SMF is good now
lunar summit
It was leaked before the mythic world first kill
fading bane
Hero talents seem cool
tardy lark
people love mountain thane
fading bane
AoE storm bolt nice
tardy lark
whatever it is
junior gale
Hero talents seem like a very great idea
fading bane
and mixing Arms + Fury with Slayer sounds interesting
junior gale
cant wait to see what they are specifically for warrior
sullen wagon
what'd everyone think of the Hero talent stuff?
Looks mostly utility-focused
fading bane
Mountain Thane 💀
oblique trail
Looks mostly utility-focused
wow then people will surely be happy about warrior!
it's all that warrior needed to be meta!
edgy widget
Looks mostly utility-focused
idk, the Druid ones were mostly throughput
lunar summit
Some have cool names lol
edgy widget
I wouldn't take the War visuals as indicative of what the effects will actually be
junior gale
I can see Mountain thane and Collossus to have a lot more utillity while Slayer being pure throughput
fading bane
from waht i remember the druid one was focused on treeanst
lunar summit
They announced every rune?
fading bane
it was Balance X i dont remmeber
they showed 2 druid trees i think
and 1 warrior talent
lunar summit
Hmghmhm
woven heath
Keeper of the Grove: Resto/Boomy
Elune's Chosen: Boomy/Guardian
radiant coyote
How long would renown 18 take if u do it without alt
woven heath
Didn't see the warrior talent.
edgy widget
yeah it's treants, but pretty much all of these are throughput in some way or another
edgy widget
yeah, throughput doesn't just mean damage
junior gale
Didn't see the warrior talent.
they showed off an aoe stormbolt from heroic leaping
woven heath
Oh right, they showed the animation. I don't think we saw a tooltip though, did we?
edgy widget
no, we didn't
fading bane
nope
junior gale
no tootip
edgy widget
I'm pretty sure they were two separate abilities too, not a leap that caused a storm bolt
junior gale
hmmm prob right I dont remember to well
fading bane
i doubt we get 30 sec cd aoe storm bolt
edgy widget
again though, I wouldn't take the visuals as necessarily indicative of the effects
woven heath
Eh, not much point speculating. It's all subject to change anyway.
olive wraith
Charge should activate rek
junior gale
of course not much to say on hero talents until we can see more examples
serene moat
Yeye... Skull banner
junior gale
all I can say its a much better idea than adding a new row of talents
serene moat
woven heath
Somewhat related... Am I the only one who still feels odd having Avatar on Fury?
sullen wagon
all I can say its a much better idea than adding a new row of talents
And it's thematically interesting too, i can see the Guardian/Boomkin spec to be more arcane-focused
junior gale
I like the flavor it adds in name yeah
tardy lark
Fury has had avatar since... WoD?
woven heath
Has it? I basically didn't play it from Cata until SL.
serene moat
Like I can call myself a Slayer Arms warrior
Slarms?
woven heath
Took a long time away from the game.
junior gale
Slarms and Slury
tardy lark
Fury has basically had avatar longer than it hasnt at this point
sudden tusk
hmm makes sense. Human + hallo + dmf
sullen dove
yea I jade serpent kicked off a cliff and lost my last 20 minutes of Halloween buff
unfort
did all of main campaign and half the side quests with it anyway
woven heath
PSA for people btw, there's a portal from Valdrakken to the Dream: 63.4, 58.1
sullen dove
edgy widget
Yeah, I can't wait to make four more hero talent-spec guides
tardy lark
dont and then watch the world burn
sullen dove
i like how you choose one or the other hero spec and then have to choose between choice nodes
so much variety 
burnt stone
archi ring lol
sullen dove
imagine the degeneracy swapping those choice nodes boss by boss
if bonuses better for one or another
fading bane
doubt it will be much different to how we use talents now
edgy widget
i like how you choose one or the other hero spec and then have to choose between...
I mean, it's better than just static artifact trees
edgy widget
doubt it will be much different to how we use talents now
it's not, that's kinda the point
fading bane
if you have 1 thats good utility for m+/pvp and one that is good for raid throughput, then im happy with it
edgy widget
it's just a third talent tree, except a smaller one
and I bet whenever they get around to the next Midnight xpac, they'll add talent points to the Hero tree instead of the class/spec one
sullen dove
yea it’s a better system I’m sure just probably a lot more work on the play test/ sim side for every possible combination of talents, assuming all of them positively affect gameplay
Like the Druid one example one of the choice nodes is more damage to an ability or gain more astral power, a similar choice for warrior making something do more dmg or generate more rage
junior gale
means they can balance things in the hero talents without it affecting the regular talent tree to much
sullen dove
prolly hard to definitively say which is better and it could also change depending on what you’re doing
edgy widget
Like the Druid one example one of the choice nodes is more damage to an ability ...
both of which are effectively damage, yeah
sullen dove
yea
edgy widget
means they can balance things in the hero talents without it affecting the regul...
exactly - adding more talent points to the class/spec tree has a massive cascading effect
an independent third tree doesn't mess with that
sullen dove
Like it’s probably pretty likely you’re gonna be swapping hero talents boss by boss way more frequently than regular talents
where there’s currently like “2 main builds aoe or single target” in class/spec tree
edgy widget
possible, depends on how transformative they are or just how they're balanced
sullen dove
yer
harsh bough
hi guys i'm new user of fury and i'm curious about my simc
why thunderous roar is more powerful than Elysian might in patchwork setting??
is it because my crit is low? (2251)
edgy widget
hi guys i'm new user of fury and i'm curious about my simc
why thunderous roar i...
link the full sim url
sullen dove
3 minute 
junior gale
exactly - adding more talent points to the class/spec tree has a massive cascadi...
the only Issue I think I see is if they do add utillity to these hero talents like if Colossus has some really useful utillity for M+ Fury would kinda get fucked over because they cant access that tree. So kinda hope all these hero trees are just damage
sullen dove
Well mountain thane makes stormbolt cleave so we don’t need to worry about fury utility
edgy widget
your original tree had more differences than just Spear
it's also got Seismic, VC, and it's a short sim running weekly instead of nightly or latest
junior gale
yeah thats the only problem I see
sullen dove
prolly makes up for it tho in some other way
junior gale
All utillity should just be in the class tree
edgy widget
Well mountain thane makes stormbolt cleave so we don’t need to worry about fury ...
we don't actually know what it does yet, just what it looks like, so I'd be wary of making any declarations just yet
for all we know Mountain Thane just has a recolored Sidearm talent lmao
fading bane
everything could also change
edgy widget
well of course
burnt stone
When will MT APL be updated?
edgy widget
but I'm just sayin - analyzing the actual talent when we know what it does is one thing, while analyzing a visual that could be... frankly anything, is another
junior gale
its just fun theorizing its still really hard to tell what their exact plan is with the hero talents since they only showed us 1 out of the like 35+ hero talents theres gonna be
clear wharf
What are people upgrading with there spark first?
oblique trail
Weapon craft seems grief ngl
Since first boss drops a wep
And m+ spam is a thing
junior gale
yee embelishments take prio
fading bane
ye i think wep craft is grief
olive wraith
Could get bad luck
south kayak
Banezi, you continuing havoc?
oblique trail
no
south kayak
Warrior? 
fading bane
?
oblique trail
I'd never stoop to the lowest lows that Anda reside in
south kayak
junior gale
hes playing the yellow class with xeos
fading bane
another soldier lost
oblique trail
o7
south kayak
I might be maining yellow, but I’ll maintain my warrior as a second char
oblique trail
As long as he's not augment, he's still safe in my eyes
edgy widget
its just fun theorizing its still really hard to tell what their exact plan is w...
I would presume that they're going to be pretty similar to what we've already seen for Druid and from existing talents
- mostly throughput (damage/survivability/healing), maybe a bit of utility
- probably not hugely transformative (e.g. no Glad Stance or SMF type stuff)
- probably mostly universal bonuses, rather than specific playstyles or highly specific talents (e.g. probably not Annihilator specific stuff, though maybe some stuff that happens to benefit Annihilator more than RB)
wild mural
another fallen soldier
fading bane
melee brain + deep breath combo
oblique trail
dangerous combo
south kayak
I’m gonna go even more casual, working
edgy widget
they haven't really specified, but I'm mostly curious if any of the talents will be entirely new active abilities, rather than passive effects
south kayak
south kayak
they haven't really specified, but I'm mostly curious if any of the talents will...
None of the Druid ones were from what I’ve seen but maybe it’s not the usual
edgy widget
they weren't and they didn't comment on it, that's why I said they haven't specified yet
so I'm just curious if there'll be a standalone ability like Ravager or some shit in some of the trees
junior gale
yeah its safe to assume they are all gonna be like the druid one but you never know sometimes blizzard changes how they design things half way through just like with DF talent trees
edgy widget
well at least mostly like the Druid ones
distant niche
is sporecloak still a bis craft? says it in the guide
wild mural
as usual druids are blizards favourites
junior gale
is sporecloak still a bis craft? says it in the guide
check the pin
distant niche
^ thanks
junior gale
so I'm just curious if there'll be a standalone ability like Ravager or some shi...
would be cool if they do put cool standalone abillities that fit the theme. Like if the Rider of the Apocalypse dk tree had something that turns deaths Advance into a dk version of divine steed.
burnt stone
When I enter a custom APL in mimiron raidbots, an error like the picture occurs.
What's the reason?
burnt stone
The same problem occurs even if you copy and run the part in the default profile without changing apl.
wild mural
they're all currencies praise da lawd
unreal onyx
Only 1k supplies?
wild mural
this is my alt
edgy widget
The same problem occurs even if you copy and run the part in the default profile...
somewhere in there you're trying to run lines with actions named "trinkets" like this
actions.trinkets+=/
so it's going to look for a function to call (or run) that action list, and if you don't have one, it's going to error out
burnt stone
somewhere in there you're trying to run lines with actions named "trinkets" like...
Oh what, when did this action list come about? lol
The error occurred because that part was not included.
thank you
errant vessel
Anyone with shadowflame illusion?
burnt stone
Now that we've solved the problem, it's time to customize MT APL.
junior gale
account wide everything next expansion
errant vessel
because it makes my weapon transparent for some reason
junior gale
errant vessel
if anyone could test that'd be lovely
south kayak
because it makes my weapon transparent for some reason
Yeah, there's a bug
viscid flare
^
wild mural
currencies = 😡
in bags = 😡
i am glad for currencies
cause I have space in my bags now
viscid flare
a lot of weapon illusions or ur dragon when it goes fast just turn transparent
vernal bramble
Slaughtering strikes still worth getting even with Annihilator?
edgy widget
Oh what, when did this action list come about? lol
The error occurred because t...
it's basically auto-logic to handle most/all trinkets automagically instead of having to name out each one with a special use case
something that's being experimented with
errant vessel
Yeah, there's a bug
ah rip
errant vessel
a lot of weapon illusions or ur dragon when it goes fast just turn transparent
seems like a weird bug
burnt stone
https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/w6DERcY4LyUgSKkswZGa2B
https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/44JgY5XAKCA83r82yRcHC9
- Basic MT APL.
- Customize ST APL to MT APL
I think it will probably go up even more if I adjust it more closely.
naive frost
https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/w6DERcY4LyUgSKkswZGa2B
https://mimiro...
What are the differences between them?
burnt stone
What are the differences between them?
The basic MT APL casts Ramp even if BB is castable, as Archi has not yet worked.
naive frost
The basic MT APL casts Ramp even if BB is castable, as Archi has not yet worked.
i see
nova garnet
Tweaking apl to find more effective rotational priorities
This is done through trial and error
Every class has to do it, sometimes it takes months to find optimal strat
Like in case with udk
burnt stone
archi will be working on it soon maybe?
Until then, I wanted to check out MT Simc, so I customized it.
To find out which Trinkets or Talents are good for AoE
nova garnet
I'm not sure when archi will work on it, and finish it
Was just explaining what you were soing
burnt stone
Fortunately, there are two APL optimization experts, archi and silmarilen.
glass kelp
first time rerolling to fury from a ww monk, am i on the right track ? 🫡
glass kelp
ww is dogshit this season, and thinking of getting a new main anyways
we're good in m+/raids this season?
ripe dew
Hey guys, seen some talent builds for fury and was kinda surprised it contains Storm of Swords that makes your whirl wind 7second cd. I mean even with whirlwind stacks from Odyns Fury its kinda hard to imagine how you sustain your aoe rotation in longer fights or am I missing something here?
flat river
Hello fellow warriors
flat river
Hey guys, seen some talent builds for fury and was kinda surprised it contains S...
You do
oblique trail
Hey guys, seen some talent builds for fury and was kinda surprised it contains S...
By the time you've used 4 attacks, you can WW again
it's not gonna be an issue
fading bane
Hey guys, seen some talent builds for fury and was kinda surprised it contains S...
i played that build pre the first raid, keeping normal aoe rotation was not a problem
flat river
Yes
chrome plover
Hey guys, seen some talent builds for fury and was kinda surprised it contains S...
ww cd and the time it takes to spend stacks are roughly the same 
glass kelp
the talents from cheat sheet on wowhead are the right ones i should go with in m+/raids this season ?
chrome plover
once you have the new 2p yes
glass kelp
ty ty
ripe dew
Hmm maybe it just looks wrong on the paper and works in game. Just first look I was kinda wondering how that works. Anyway, thanks
royal swan
so we play with the same talents until tier pieces y?
covert blaze
Hmm maybe it just looks wrong on the paper and works in game. Just first look I ...
The WW cd is hasted
ripe dew
The WW cd is hasted
Now it makes sense, tyvm.
summer quail
Early s1 dflight we used OF
flat river
Question
Is m+ season over
Or do i have a chance till next season starts
Like 1 week basically
flat river
So no longer i can get KSH
fading bane
dunno
boreal oracle
So no longer i can get KSH
I think you can
slow veldt
Maybe it is obvious, but what would be optimal spec now until s3 set bonus? Keeping the old one i guess?
m+
slow veldt
❤️
harsh bough
Guys, can i ask your opinions?
how do you think about fury versus arms? which one will be better in Amidrassil?
in the aspect of dps
viscid tiger
Guys, can i ask your opinions?
how do you think about fury versus arms? which on...
Arcane is beste
oblique trail
Guys, can i ask your opinions?
how do you think about fury versus arms? which on...
Will depend on the fight
Play both if you want to be optimal
harsh bough
Arcane is beste
damn it's right answer
harsh bough
Will depend on the fight
that's pretty right.. it was foolish question
burnt stone
There is no difference, so do what you want.
oblique trail
That is not a good answer
oblique trail
Just because their sims are close, does not mean they will actually do the same damage on all fights
burnt stone
The reason there is no difference is not simply because of SIMC DPS.
chrome plover
there is still a difference in damage profile though
oblique trail
It's not that black and white
burnt stone
Unlike before, Fury also has increased dps when the target's health is below 35%.
This can be checked through Execute Patchwork simc.
There is not much difference from arms.
oblique trail
So you're still looking at the sim dps
fading bane
there is so much that can make arms insane for a fight
if you lust in execute
if you need 2 target cleave
chrome plover
arms better at mass burst aoe too right?
fading bane
you kidna need to go Warbreaker for it
chrome plover
yea
chrome plover
burnt stone
There isn't much difference in dps between arms and fury, so it would be best to do what you want.
oblique trail
:)?
flat river
I just found out raging blow is gone
There's nothing we can do... Insert Napoleon Song
dim spindle
There isn't much difference in dps between arms and fury, so it would be best to...
"best to do what you want"? Those are filthy casual words!!!
burnt stone
For example, if you can't adapt to the APL of the new anni build, it would be better to do arms.
oblique trail
Cowfarmer, it's not that simple
burnt stone
Do you utilize 100% of Fury’s performance?
If not, just do what you want.
dim spindle
omg
chrome plover
that isn't the conversation though
dim spindle
Who let the soft soled redditor in here
chrome plover
you can say "play what you want" every patch because 99% of this server is not top 50
oblique trail
The question was which spec would be the best for the raid, and the answer is play both of them because they'll both have fights where they're better than the other
chrome plover
but yeah that doesnt really answer the question
oblique trail
The question assumes that the person asking wants to be optimal
chrome plover
I might try arms this tier a bit
oblique trail
If they don't really care about being optimal, then yeah, play what you want
dim spindle
Next he'll be saying "you can be fury but identify as arms if you want, it's ok :)"
chrome plover
all the arms players say it feels like ass but it's the first time arms has looked appealing to me...
dim spindle
maybe i like that
You sicken me
oblique trail
As long as you accept it as who you are
dim spindle
Yeah that tier does look pretty fun
oblique trail
Then we can't say anything
flat river
This season im playing fury strictly for PvP
wild mural
Holy moly
clear compass
Just wait till next week and see what spec the top guilds are playing.
wild mural
My warrior is gonna be raid only
chrome plover
do not kill the part of you that's cringe... kill the part that cringes
oblique trail
Just wait till next week and see what spec the top guilds are playing.
Ok and they'll do the exact same
They will swap based on the fight
clear compass
They will swap based on the fight
Yes, this is the case in a lot of races
wild mural
I’m gonna be a chicken mcmythic(+) gamer
chrome plover
My warrior is gonna be raid only
gm how was boomkin vault
fading bane
ill just play fury for the first bosses
chrome plover
my warrior got avoidance for his oce that will be replaced in no time
wild mural
Only HC cause no mythic on booking
fading bane
wild mural
But better than the trinket that I had
chrome plover
🤝
wild mural
Can we still upgrade those pieces
clear compass
100% of the time if any warrior spec is out performing the other by more the 2% it gets nerfed.
fading bane
i dont think
errant vessel
Guys it keeps telling me I have a treasure to loot already when trying to interact with the plants
errant vessel
How do I fix that besides looking around the whole map for the seed I put
wild mural
chrome plover
How do I fix that besides looking around the whole map for the seed I put
I think you're meant to remember where the seed was
and go loot it?
idk
im at work
fading bane
Hackermans
errant vessel
I think you're meant to remember where the seed was
yes but I don't have time to stand around for 3 mins
and now I forgot
chrome plover
rip
errant vessel
well I do but I cba
fading bane
i started one of those
errant vessel
and now I've cucked myself
chrome plover
isnt it marked? or
fading bane
got a pet
errant vessel
no
chrome plover
gz
errant vessel
not from what I can see
burnt stone
2 minutes 5 target Simc.
Fyrakk's Tainted Rageheart These Trinkets are definitely problematic.
errant vessel
I found it guys
dim spindle
I like how many people who have allegedly played the game for years are big mad about s2 flightstones and etc being zapped. Like it's a huge surprise or something
chrome plover
I found it guys
proud of you
dim spindle
2 minutes 5 target Simc.
Fyrakk's Tainted Rageheart These Trinkets are definite...
Yeah I noticed just looking at the description they seemed a bit nutty
how much of that 625k is the rageheart
burnt stone
dim spindle
that doesn't seem right
625k in general doesn't seem right either, tbf... what was a decent sim in s2, like 160kish? I'm out of date
viscid tiger
anyone else with a blackscreen after the update?
chrome plover
625k in general doesn't seem right either, tbf... what was a decent sim in s2, l...
it's 5 targets 2 mins
ST sim like 230-240k in bis now
dim spindle
ohh gotcha, didn't see that
viscid tiger
anyone else with a blackscreen after the update?
Fun fact: AMD Card issue, -d3d11 in start options fixes
proud bough
anyone else with a blackscreen after the update?
I had this issue. I was only able to fix it after updating windows, AMD graphics drivers, and running the scan & repair tool from the bnet launcher on wow files. Spent almost 2 hours trying to make that work. Apparently swapping to DX11 also works, but I didn't wanna do that.
warm crag
625k in general doesn't seem right either, tbf... what was a decent sim in s2, l...
i sim 625k single target (spreading misinformation)
warm crag
i sim trillions 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 second sim
chrome plover
dapper jacinth
proud bough
Man idk what I'm doing wrong with these fake sims, but my current ilvl at 442 with my old talent build is simming wayyy higher than the new talent build with full 4 set of T31... Somethin is fucked here
oblique trail
i sim trillions 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 second sim
omg this sim dps.. is this real or boosted.. teach me?
proud bough
I'll have to mess with it some more. Right now I'm literally getting roughly an 8k dps loss for upgrading my tier to 4 piece in these pretend sims
chrome plover
omg this sim dps.. is this real or boosted.. teach me?
snow edge
I think it’s real
proud vessel
Can we already make a somewhat safe estimation on what is gonna be better for M+? Arms or Fury?
median marsh
so, is the legendery 2h axe is rng low drop rate from last boss? (like evoker thing last in 10.1)
chrome plover
Can we already make a somewhat safe estimation on what is gonna be better for M+...
no
chrome plover
so, is the legendery 2h axe is rng low drop rate from last boss? (like evoker th...
probably, but not confirmed
calm saddle
chrome plover
full viper
Arms or Fury for ST ?
umbral ingot
dim badge
Hi guys, the talent builds given for SMF in the #268491842637660160 don't seem to be functional anymore.
I know it's a few % behind TG but I want to live the meme this season, I'd still like to be as optimal as possible though.
Any advice?
chrome plover
Hi guys, the talent builds given for SMF in the <#268491842637660160> don't see...
I think you would just drop AJ and massacre for SMf and frenzied flurry in the t31 build
not sure what the build in that channel is, but modify the one from the wowhead/icyveins guide
dim badge
Thats great advice, thank you.
Ah derp, the builds in the #268491842637660160 do work, I just had too many builds saved (although I didnt get an error saying such, just had to figure it out).
crystal radish
"Remember that talents/gameplay don't change until after obtaining the T31 set either " for both m+ and raid ?
chrome plover
"Remember that talents/gameplay don't change until after obtaining the T31 set e...
yes, change builds with 2p for everything
chrome plover
Ah derp, the builds in the <#268491842637660160> do work, I just had too many bu...
ah ok, im just not sure how recently those were updated
crystal radish
So let's wait 6 months until i have 4 tier set pieces
chrome plover
catalyst is open next week
snow edge
6 months, seems extreme
chrome plover
So let's wait 6 months until i have 4 tier set pieces
if you can reach 2k M+ rating or get curve week 2 or 3 you will have 2p
crystal radish
I'm fortunated at love...
chrome plover
not sure what you mean by that but you dont need any rng
wild mural
I wonder if I can get curve on both my chars week 1
No way right considering we’re not doing splits
chrome plover
No way right considering we’re not doing splits
my raid leader: we go normal > normal split > realise its fucked and just do HC on mains cos we suck dick
then into mythic
tardy lark
That’s the spirit
wild mural
Ayyyy
I don’t know what we’re doing
I don’t know what any of the bosses do
It’s gonna be fun
flat sapphire
Do we know yet what the legendary will do
fading bane
nope
rotund ginkgo
any1 got a clue how am i supposed to actually get to renown 10 when claws of vyranoth isnt available?
wild mural
Just farm rares and treasures etc I guess
chrome plover
theres a lot of rep guides about
war mode weekly gives 1k rep
side quests give a shit load
make sure you dont forget darkmoon faire
etc
rotund ginkgo
yeah i did darkmoon faire 10% buff already
and i got top hats
im asking regarding the 2.5k from vyranoth
so instead of that its just more grind?
silver mantle
Yep
silver mantle
Grind
rotund ginkgo
this one suggested vyranoth and its what i followed
which is why i was confused
step 1 was main storyline but like bruh :I
chrome plover
yeah that part of the story isnt out
but you can still follow the rest of the guide
wild mural
I’m trying to think but I don’t think I have a human character
Apart from my shitty 390 warrior
river reef
put a movie on and do seeds
you wanna watch a movie with me? 👉 👈
chrome plover
slim coral
I’m happy to announce I was degen enough to get renown 10 on my alt in 8 hours
Now time for bedge
bold osprey
Still on it ... thought "yeah just spent 2-3 hours all good" no ... still 9.5 Renown and questioning my decision
oblique trail
I'm 9.5 renown because I forgor dmf buff until renown 3
good thing augment rune is so minor
oblique trail
yeah well
augment rune is less than 1% strength rn
even less when you have s3 gear
oblique trail
because I will for sure go out of my way to do that
slim coral
I did 40 WQ
oblique trail
you are mentally unwell
slim coral
Because I wasn’t human for bonus rep
indigo quarry
slim coral
you are mentally unwell
I wanted to get it out the way
slim coral
Now I can do it again when I wake up
Id rate the entire expierence a 8/10
The WQ part was a 2/10
slim coral
if you enjoyed it regardless then more power to you
Oh did you do the war mode quest
It gives 1k rep
oblique trail
no
slim coral
Well there you go
oblique trail
it's not gonna make me reach renown 10
indigo quarry
Dont you get more rep in warmode too ?
slim coral
Well you’ll be 1k closer
slim coral
Gl
oblique trail
again as mentioned before, augment rune is so minor that I wont bother min/maxing it
pvp snooze
wont do it
will get it like week 2 or something
oblique trail
wonder how many people are happy farming for week 1 augment rune when it reasonably wont make a diffy
chrome plover
something to do in dead week innit
for people with nothing else to play
I'd rather grind wow than play arams at this point
wild mural
Imagine playing other games
nova garnet
I'd rather grind wow than play arams at this point
Arms?
chrome plover
no
slim coral
wonder how many people are happy farming for week 1 augment rune when it reasona...
I enjoy being a little degen
nova garnet
My phone autocorrected
wild mural
Not like we’re gonna push to try and get a +16 key to start the week
oblique trail
more power to you
wild mural
We’re shitty gamers gonna start +11
oblique trail
it's a league of legends gamemode
wild mural
chrome plover
arams yes
slim coral
That reminds me I got a 29 I gotta do this week
shy knot
Arms is good
silent burrow
I’ll just piggyback off everyone else’s keys lol
chrome plover
gonna enjoy my +2 
sullen basin
weapon recraft?
flat sapphire
Why would we grind to get the rune fast ans spend gold on it when it will do absolutely no difference
silent burrow
Absolutely no difference is a bit of a stretch
flat sapphire
Well
silent burrow
Mathematically incorrect innit
chrome plover
Why would we grind to get the rune fast ans spend gold on it when it will do abs...
some people play games cos they enjoy playing them
kind of wild
silent burrow
Cents make dollars, it all adds up
sullen basin
how many runes do you need to use to make the permanent one less expensive?
wild mural
I play wow cause I hate it and it makes me angry
silent burrow
Like 40
flat sapphire
wild mural
I’m a masochist who enjoys suffering
sullen basin
lol they're that expensive? glad i dont do mythic then
oblique trail
rn it's 1650g for 1 draconic augment rune on eu
rotund ginkgo
these idiots are making the blooms go to 100
chrome plover
it's actually giga value for only 50k or w/e
rotund ginkgo
😦
oblique trail
so around 60
wild mural
I haven’t used a rune this expac
oblique trail
it's actually giga value for only 50k or w/e
it's 100k
wild mural
Not even once
silent burrow
They were 2200 on mine last I looked but it been a minute
wild mural
Not worth
chrome plover
still
sullen basin
rn it's 1650g for 1 draconic augment rune on eu
gonna drop a ton for sure
oblique trail
for late boss prog sure, it'll slowly add up
sullen basin
now that people arent buying them demand falls and so does price 🙂
lunar summit
Does the new zone have catchup gear from the quests?
oblique trail
yes
sullen basin
supply will still be there the same as before
oblique trail
a lot of the gear is 420-430+
lunar summit
Nice
oblique trail
and boe gear drops often
sullen basin
blizz shoulda just made them easier to get too that would be so funny
zenith moat
60k for a contract on my server, nice
light cedar
Any news on the Lego boys?
oblique trail
none
sullen basin
Any news on the Lego boys?
its orange
shy knot
Is the legendary acquisition confirmed ?
lunar summit
Any news on the Lego boys?
Its and axe
oblique trail
it'll be similar to evo lego
shy knot
Shitvoker way
light cedar
Big developments
flat sapphire
Haven't they put in bad luck protection from start
oblique trail
It's what they said they'll do, yes
shy knot
Well see how that looks
flat sapphire
I just hope I get it first try easy
shy knot
Im expecting 0.1% mythic raiders getting one week before next patch while LFR hero gets it week 1
light cedar
Bad luck protection like legion Legos
lunar summit
The earlier people can start the shit fiesta of a grind for the materials the better I guess
Hopefilly its not as tedious as evoker
flat sapphire
I wonder how much gold I'm gonna have to spend to get it crafted
flat sapphire
I think it's bugged rn and you can't even do it
The evoker one
No chance I'm paying more than 100k-200k for it
oblique trail
I'm willing to pay 500k+ for it
If it's a big increase
Which I'd assume it'll be all things considered
lunar summit
The evoker was a 5k dps increase to a random person lol
burnt stone
I can confidently claim to be put in the same party as the shaman.
flat sapphire
I'll start a gofund and ask my guild for gold
wild mural
Real
rotund ginkgo
i planted a seed got it to 50 and then left
lunar summit
Your guild is supposed to help tou craft it thats the whole point of it working together to create this uber weapon
lunar summit
In actuality its just 1 dude crafting it 99% of the time
rotund ginkgo
any1 knows if theres a way to track seeds i planted?
lunar summit
any1 knows if theres a way to track seeds i planted?
Eyes
steel horizon
What second embellishment are we crafting after the cloak Nerf?
wild mural
silent burrow
I can confidently claim to be put in the same party as the shaman.
holy shit lol
rotund ginkgo
its almost impossible to get the thingy between 50 and 99 cuz ppl are spamming it to 100
._.
oblique trail
love people for that
rotund ginkgo
im supposed to use my tokens to get to renown 10 on my alt right?
fleet sorrel
rotund ginkgo
i aint human
fading bane
gl then
nova garnet
In actuality its just 1 dude crafting it 99% of the time
There is 0 possibility blizzard isn't pricing this to be 200-300k, to jot sell more tokens
:Yuzu:
lunar summit
That makes no sense
If the legendary costs 400k or 4mil people will still buy tokens
Your point is moot
red yew
nova garnet
If the legendary costs 400k or 4mil people will still buy tokens
It'll incentivize more token buying lul
If it's too expensive people will riot
lunar summit
Theh already are blinded by orange
lunar summit
Waiting for shadowlands classic
nova garnet
How many years will it be
lunar summit
12
fading bane
cant believe shadowlands was 6 years ago
wild mural
clever path
I was 10 y/o back then lol
vocal fog
im stuck renown 9 TT
wild mural
I was 13
In 2010
That’s when I started playing
I’ve nearly spent half my life playing this game
Where’s it gone
lavish grove
I haven’t used a rune this expac
Used twice by accident
wild mural
indigo quarry
Mechanic > DPS
elder wasp
silent burrow
I'm sure he will care.
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