protection

[mellow bridge]

got a log/vod

i somehow doubt 100% uptime

oh and do you mean details or logs

[lofty widget]

i mean im just doing meme keys now but this is from a 22 10 minutes ago

[lofty widget]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Z3KDP1MHxAFnBhrb#fight=2&type=auras

100 % in details, you only care about uptime in combat anyway

[errant aurora]

new to prot warrior but i have 4 set will there be time in the rotation will cap on rage because globals//IP cap?

[drifting fable]

no just overcap on IP if youre gonna cap on rage

you want to spend rage

it doesnt matter if its on useless IP

still 35 rage

[errant aurora]

alright thank you 🙂

[molten rivet]

I need to Be better at reprisal i guess. Only have 60% uptime on SB

[molten rivet]

Is haste/crit the new thing?

[lofty widget]

just personal pref

between crit/vers

vers is generally better defensively since it works against magic dmg as well

but crit is more dmg

[molten rivet]

Ok

[urban portal]

crit does the most damage

but is the only stat that doesnt help w magic damage

[unreal sinew]

ty for the info!
what Ilvl should i aim for (lets say with both Legendaries) to start M+?

[urban portal]

whatever you want

try mythic 0 if you want to

and just do 2s

[mortal brook]

a crafted 233 or anima 226 set gets you started in m0, m+

[dawn canyon]

or just get 226s leech a 15 and then go next week

[wispy tapir]

Is Kyrian or Necrolord better for Halondrus

[dawn canyon]

NL

its a raid fight

NL is better in ALL of them

[distant crystal]

what did pwarrs do on xymox originally

did they fae it up or is there some ring tech

[shut summit]

fae

[chrome falcon]

Fae but you never needed to unless your cotank was an equally terrible class

DK monk and paladin could all cheat rings

[dawn canyon]

double warrior and chad it up

[chrome falcon]

True and real

[dawn canyon]

double warrior on prenerf jailer prolly really good

[chrome falcon]

Really good at eating shit and dying

[dawn canyon]

but if you ever made it to p4

[chrome falcon]

You just die to the double p2 soak as prot

And you also die to going to the far soak

So it’s rough all round

[dawn canyon]

i keep forgetting he has mechanics

[chrome falcon]

Yeah

Soak #6 requires you to run out and tank a soak in china and not hit the boss for ages

[dawn canyon]

ew

[chrome falcon]

So your cotank has to take 4+5 so you have CDs for 6

[dawn canyon]

sad AM noises regardless

[chrome falcon]

But pwarr would just get fucked doing 4+5 probably

[sick sentinel]

no classes were safe from that boss

our vdh was getting fkn chunked

[dawn canyon]

tbf

vdh

not ideal innit

[cinder storm]

Vdh lel

[sick sentinel]

he was losing threat to our prot pala when he went necro for survivability lel

[dawn canyon]

vdh the new omegalul for tanks

[hardy ridge]

Nawh i did 4+5

It was chill, called for one dr all fight on pillar 5

[mellow bridge]

Pre or post nerf tho

Blast got hit hard

[mellow bridge]

Necro VDH is just trolling lmfao

[unique cloak]

is there an intervene bug on LoD where if you pass swarm to someone by intervening them it acts like you're swapping the debuff multiple times and applies Biting Wounds?

[vernal vale]

meanwhile my sorry ass has only killed 2 mythic bosses

[warm plinth]

I've only killed 0 so you are infinity % better than me my friend

[toxic pewter]

Anyone know what dungeon trinkets may be good in season 4

[urban portal]

codex

[chilly brook]

Stop

Too many people already use that crappy trinket

[toxic pewter]

He’s just trolling me for no reason

It’s pathetic, but that is fine

Seriously though anyone know of any list or anything for non raiders

[unique cloak]

So like what do you want the best trinkets only from dungeons?

because the actual answer to what is best is a bunch of raid trinkets

but if you only want to use trinkets out of dungeons just use scale+soleahs

[toxic pewter]

Any good trinkets from mecha/Kara/wod dungeons

[urban portal]

thats the thing

we dont know

we dont know the tuning

like for example, scale seems good

but if you nerf scale by 50%

its not good

so its all about tuning

all we know is what the trinkets do

[grave crane]

The bicycle trinket from mechagon was good in bfa but who knows

[urban portal]

it stands to reason that stuff was good back then should be decent now

[toxic pewter]

It’s possible even codex will be good then

[urban portal]

maybe good compared to other m+ trinkets

no shot it beats RDM ows aegis

[unique cloak]

if you care enough about keys you'll get the raid trinkets from the vendor.. if you dont care enough to get the raid trinkets, then it probably doesnt even matter what you're using tbf

[grave crane]

That’s what I’m thinking. Also there’s a necklace in karazahn that seems decent. I think it reflects back attacks or something

[toxic pewter]

I hope they nerf those raid trinkets

[grave crane]

Get ageis and ows easy peasy

[urban portal]

mob density is high in those dungs right

or no

cuz if its not high i may just get a RDM

and turn brain off

[urban portal]

also codex's effect is not bad

its the lack of main stat

[unique cloak]

codex's effect is bad

on warrior it doersnt max out the damage / proc

[toxic pewter]

Yeah they won’t change stam to str that’s for sure

[urban portal]

in 27 keys it competes with most of "meta" trinkets,

it doesnt match

but its around 75-80% value

in terms of hps/dps

the main stat kills it

[toxic pewter]

If you guys had to pick one other tank to main for just season 4, which would you choose? (Think of it as sort of a short season one off)

[unique cloak]

I get about 400k damage on rygelon with codex as DK, I did Rygelon on warrior last night and it did less than 200

[urban portal]

well dk is special case

but just look at prot war logs with codex and without

codex is close

[grave crane]

Yeah it applies after block and after ip so boo

[unique cloak]

you have to play bad to get good use out of codex

thats just fact

[urban portal]

for sure

and if you play bad

the main stat carries you

you cant mess up main stat

but im just saying the effects arent THAT bad

[toxic pewter]

Yah I think it’s a fine trinket

[urban portal]

well the stat is part of a trinkets budget

blizzard probably thought it was too op with main stat

[toxic pewter]

I know many warriors that agree with me as well

[urban portal]

in reality itll be a 3/4 trinket

because a 252 RDM beats it in hps

and dps

[cobalt seal]

There is no way in hell it competes in s4

Its gonna be lucky if its even top 5

I doubt if its not in botton of top 10

[urban portal]

i just skimmed a couple logs

the HPS of a codex matches scale ish

like i said, 80-85%

[cobalt seal]

Doubt

[grave crane]

I mean you’ll probably gain more value from RDM or ageis tbh main stat and nutty uses codex for us I doubt will be worth anything unless it changes

Also can we go into m0 for a scale and increase it or is that unknown?

[cobalt seal]

Doubt

It would be really stupid

[grave crane]

I agree but blizz

[cobalt seal]

Why would you want scale

[grave crane]

I don’t but that’s a general tank trinket many people want

[cobalt seal]

There are better tank trinkets now

In s4

[urban portal]

yeah exactly 80%

just a random 27 log

[cobalt seal]

Hekili

You want a slow death

Or a quick one

[urban portal]

i mean i was literally the first person in this discord

who said codex is bad

but my point is

the effect is not absolutely dogshit

its the lack of mainstat

you wanted a log and i gave you a log

what else

[cobalt seal]

I didnt ask for a log

[urban portal]

this

[grave crane]

Aside from the main stat it’s that it takes effect t after our other mitigation of it was top priority then SB them IP it would be not so bad

[urban portal]

i mean a log HPS takes account into all of it

[cobalt seal]

You literally didnt prove your point

Because you are missing the hps from str to stam

[urban portal]

of course

i know that

i said the effect in a vacuum

is not bad

is the lack of main stat

that is bad

[cobalt seal]

Effect is good

[urban portal]

yes

we agree then

[cobalt seal]

Never said otherwise

[grave crane]

Yeah implementation and actual trinket bad idea good

[urban portal]

like i dont wanna be rude to jakey

but i was literally the first one who said codex was bad even when the oranges thought it was good

[cobalt seal]

Context

[urban portal]

this was even in the pins btw

before we removed it

[cobalt seal]

Thats pre changes

[chrome falcon]

What changes

[urban portal]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/undocumented-nerfs-to-codex-of-the-first-technique-tank-trinket-in-patch-9-2-5-327292

[chrome falcon]

The ones that got reverted like instantly?

[urban portal]

think hes talking about this

[cobalt seal]

Trinket wasnt fully reverted btw

If you read what he says

Mythic ryg/jailer

And high keys

And he wasnt wrong

[urban portal]

ive been here long before you bud

[chrome falcon]

Calling codex “amazing” in any of those scenarios is a massive stretch

[urban portal]

the oranges started off saying codex was good

[cobalt seal]

How is it

[urban portal]

then i literally spam the channel every week

[cobalt seal]

Why codex is still amazing in ryg

[urban portal]

codex is good on ryg

[chrome falcon]

Codex is wearable on ryg sure

[urban portal]

and then all the oranges started saying codex is bad in keys

as time went on

even before .2.5

[cobalt seal]

Go to ryg pre nerfs

[urban portal]

here

5/16

[cobalt seal]

And say codex wasnt bis

[urban portal]

long before the hotfix nerfs

[cobalt seal]

2 months later

[urban portal]

codex is ofc bis on ryg

i dont think anyone disagrees

but we are talking keys here

[chrome falcon]

I did ryg prenerfs

[urban portal]

so yes i was literally the first one to disagree with the pin and i actually back up my words

and 3 months later oranges and yellows are non believers

[cobalt seal]

Codex wasnt changed way before Patch notes

People simply didnt notice

[open gazelle]

Are there any toys/consumes or food that increase character model size even in combat?

Trying to machinima for prot warriors

[urban portal]

probably better to ask somewhere else, i dont think people are toy experts here

[cobalt seal]

Gamon toy

[open gazelle]

But don’t change your character look I’ll add

[cobalt seal]

I dont think there is one

That doesnt Change model

Maybe some food

But no idea

[chrome falcon]

Winterfall firewater from winterspring

[cobalt seal]

@urban portal it was nome and meyra that found out that Blizzard nerfed codex without telling anyone

[chrome falcon]

What’s your point

He didn’t claim otherwise

[urban portal]

literally search some history in this channel and youll see nome saying "codex good" to "codex good in high keys" to "codex poopy" as time went on, even before he discovered the bug

its mainly when we started quantifying the strength

[cobalt seal]

Pretty sure

[open gazelle]

Can we just get some good defensive trinkets for once

[cobalt seal]

Your quote of nome saying its shit

[open gazelle]

I like them for high keys

[cobalt seal]

Is around the time they found out

[urban portal]

aegis is still dummy overtuned

[cobalt seal]

That Blizzard nerfed it

[urban portal]

i was looking at the logs during the first month of 9.2

and logs did not significantly change from then until the nerf

when was the nerf even discorvered

because i started hearing about the nerf in brew discord around end of may or so

[cobalt seal]

I could prob find

When nome and meyra found

But CBA on mobile

[urban portal]

if you just search nome codex before 6/1, you can literally see his opinions slowly change

[toxic pewter]

I’m a codex man through and through

Some of my best friends also use codex

[open gazelle]

Codex and scale here

[toxic pewter]

Hell yea brother

[urban portal]

i honestly wish we had better damage trinkets

that only tanks can use

something like RDM

apparently theres a parry trinket coming out in bfa

in the bfa dung or somth

i forgot what its called

[open gazelle]

I don’t like damage trinkets for tanks tbh call me old school

[urban portal]

you want damage if you dont wanna spend more than 5 hours doing 15s for the week

[open gazelle]

I wish the fing plague fall slime trinket worked better

[urban portal]

theres nothing to tank

both scale and aegis blow dick in 15s

[open gazelle]

I don’t do fing 15s lol

I do 25s

[urban portal]

damage trinkets are meant for 15s

[cobalt seal]

Whats the problem with dmg trinkets on Higher keys

Tanks with the mentality

[open gazelle]

I’d rather have more defensive cd trinkets for higher keys imo

[cobalt seal]

Me tank me no dmg

Should be executed

[open gazelle]

Especially on fortified weeks

[cobalt seal]

In same way as healers only heal

[urban portal]

its up to your comfort level

[open gazelle]

You do 25s and see how you feel

[urban portal]

theres no wrong answer for tanks

some people think 20 is hard

some thing 30s are

[open gazelle]

I like not dieing more than anything

[cobalt seal]

I did 24's as vdh with double offensive

Your point?

[sick sentinel]

u had people running cheat death trinkets for high keys

[open gazelle]

Vdh is a different tank

[sick sentinel]

that give no offensive benefit

there is a point where u do not need damage

[cobalt seal]

Squishier one

[sick sentinel]

especially this season with warlock

[muted nexus]

[sick sentinel]

nothing is squishy on a 24

[open gazelle]

Can lite better

Kite

[cobalt seal]

Kite

[toxic pewter]

I am anti-addons myself I do not care about numbers other than making it on time

[open gazelle]

To each their own

You can like either type of trinket

I like defensive that’s just me

[cobalt seal]

This isnt classic

Tanks arent just tanks

And healers arent just healers

[sick sentinel]

have fun tanking tenderize or packs with urh debuff on 28+ and no def trinkets

[open gazelle]

Luckily it’s a game you can play however you want

[toxic pewter]

Ya he can stay alive better and do more damage when he’s alive

[cobalt seal]

What?

[sick sentinel]

?

did i misspell anything?

[cobalt seal]

Are you really going to talk about physical dmg in pwar discord

When at 4 stacks

You barely take any dmg from it

[sick sentinel]

u just talked about playing vdh with offensive trinkets at +24 in pwar discord while we are talking about high keys

[open gazelle]

Cro if you’re stressed just go wack one out dude

[sick sentinel]

my bad for thinking this is tanks in general

[cobalt seal]

Okay

Assuming vdh

With those things

[open gazelle]

Yawn

[cobalt seal]

1 stack uhr

You dont need a trinket

Meta FB and call it a day

3-4 stacks of debuff

No trinket is gonna save you

[sick sentinel]

lets put it into context for pwar then

there hasn’t been anything higher than a 25 done without defensive trinket

[open gazelle]

Broooo

[cobalt seal]

You dont care as pwar

[sick sentinel]

:]

case closed

[open gazelle]

You can’t die during meta but you sure AF can die during avatar

[sick sentinel]

go do an actual high key with offensive trinkets

[open gazelle]

It’s not the same

[sick sentinel]

i promise you will flop

[cobalt seal]

50% of top pwar play codex

Case close

[sick sentinel]

they also all play scale?

[open gazelle]

Codex is defensive

[cobalt seal]

Not gonna have codex convos

Its useless

[toxic pewter]

Can’t use the top player arguments here

Those players are awful at the game and know nothing

[sick sentinel]

not to be mean bro but a 24 is definitely not meaningful experience in an inflated season like this

[cobalt seal]

You Will flop if you misplay

[trail glacier]

[sick sentinel]

u cant go off ur own runs they mean nothing

so how do u not misplay?

use every cd u have to survive one pack then just die on the next?

[cobalt seal]

Every pack is a use everything pack

[sick sentinel]

i promise you tank damage does not matter in regards to offensive vs defensive trinkets

[open gazelle]

Lol goodnight cro

[cobalt seal]

Bye

[alpine shard]

are soleah and ows defensive trinkets?

[cobalt seal]

Clearly

[sick sentinel]

soleah could be

ows don’t think so?

[cobalt seal]

If you say it is if you pick vers

[sick sentinel]

depending ur class it could be anything?

bdk taking haste is defensive in nature

hence ows being op for them

[hazy edge]

I mean

[muted nexus]

[hazy edge]

same argument could be made for pwar

[grave crane]

yeah pwar haste is great

[hazy edge]

and ppal

[muted nexus]

38% haste with no buffs is da wae

[sick sentinel]

i don’t disagree, im just being told by cro that tank damage matters and defensive trinkets shouldn’t be played in high keys xd

could be bait tho

[trail glacier]

everything that comes from cro is bait tbh

[sick sentinel]

yeah im not a prot frequent

all i know is yogi and apb lore

[trail glacier]

[cobalt seal]

Were did i say you shouldnt play them in high keys

[toxic pewter]

I am honored

[cobalt seal]

If you consider 24's low

What was the 25

High?

[sick sentinel]

i didn’t mention the 25s

i kept using 28s as an example

[cobalt seal]

I was talking to the other guy that was doing 25's

And using vdh in 24 as example

[sick sentinel]

idk the issue with vdh is ur chill

then u hit 26-27 and any miniboss / boss just slams you

[trail glacier]

cro doesnt need bosses to hit hard

he ll just stand in shit

[cobalt seal]

😋

[waxen orbit]

OWS goes for def and off

[sick sentinel]

yeah i don’t really know current pwar stats and how they benefit

[waxen orbit]

Haste is the golden boy stat

[cobalt seal]

Wild guess

Pwar is gonna use a 3 trinket combo

RDM ows aegis

[waxen orbit]

I mean that's a given

3 strongest tank trinkets all expac

[toxic pewter]

Codex till df who wit me

[waxen orbit]

Not the "best" play til high keys imho but you do you king

[cobalt seal]

Dont make me ping mods

[waxen orbit]

Playstyle always outvalues trinkets anyways

[cobalt seal]

Its never go be the best play

Ever

In s4

RDM is just way better

[toxic pewter]

I don’t plan on raiding

[cobalt seal]

Didnt ask

[toxic pewter]

Can’t use raid trinkets

Hoping raid trinkets get nerfed anyway

[waxen orbit]

Nah

[shut summit]

rdm

[waxen orbit]

Frfr

[cobalt seal]

Even after raid trinkets nerfs

I doubt codex would be top 2

Even if you didnt raid

[toxic pewter]

Gotta make do with wat I got

[cobalt seal]

And thats only running streets

So you say you need to use codex

[toxic pewter]

Depends on other dungeons

I asked earlier what are some possible dungeon trinkets from the old content coming no one said anything so I figure codex will be one I use

[cobalt seal]

Ofc

[toxic pewter]

Do you know any other trinkets may be good

From dungeons

[cobalt seal]

Werent you on a gdudu?

[toxic pewter]

Wat that

[cobalt seal]

I dont know the balance of them

Why would i give bad info

[toxic pewter]

I mean it’s all speculation

[cobalt seal]

You were on DG earlier

On Guardian discord

[toxic pewter]

Oh ya yesterday

I play bear too sometimes

[cobalt seal]

You should play it more often

[toxic pewter]

Bear looks fun for Dragonflight

[toxic pewter]

Prot warr my main tho

Been playing warrior since day one of wow launching

[fickle ingot]

Damn, that cro guy doesn’t know what he’s talking about

But still talks a lot huh

Whew lad

[shrewd cedar]

Having trouble with snap threat on mythics, any tips? Should I be running ravager? I keep seeing contradictions in my searches about battleshout generating threat?

[ionic fern]

Yes, Ravager.

Are you using Revenge enough?

Shouldn't really have threat issues unless your group is pulling for you.

[shrewd cedar]

Yea I’m using revenge but maybe not enough trying to find that sweet spot to have rage for block and ip too. Ok will go ravager. What about dragon roar? Is it worth it or nah?

[blazing condor]

Nah dont use dragon roar

Easiest way to gain threat is to pre cast ravager before you charge into a pack, charge in, and then just revenge spam

[shrewd cedar]

Ok I’ll give that a whirl. I might be trying to do too much at once. Prots also the only tank I don’t have experience with so I’m probably a little spoiled with Brew and Pally aoe but it’s loving port and feeling like an actual tank actually mitigating stuff.

[ionic fern]

Are you NL? Do you have double legendaries and Tier?

"Finding rage for IP" sounds worrying as that's not something you should be focusing on. Use IP as a rage dump to avoid overcapping rage.

[sand pebble]

i never have threat issues unless a dps pops cd's while im positioning mobs - charge > use revenge proc (knowing the reprisal sb will keep me safe) > tc > avatar+ravager is usually enough to keep everything stuck to me

[shrewd cedar]

NL? Yea I have my legos and tier I’m 263 atm. I’m def over using IP I believe. I’ll start trying to slow that down. I was having trouble in halls and this DH kept grabbing threat from me every other pull on 2-3 mobs

[sand pebble]

NL = necrolord

2-3 mobs, revenge on everything and shield slam on each mob - im old school and tab targeting all the mobs to maintain threat on everything

[warm plinth]

Hello Mwahi, how are you this evening my friend

[shrewd cedar]

Ohhh I’ve been flipping back and forth on NL and NIght fae. I’ll try and stick with NL. Oh yea old school vanilla habits here too. I didn’t even once think of tab targeting shield slam, will be doing that for sure

[sand pebble]

i like nf / niya for tanking - the aoe knockdown is amazing and the rage over time helps - its not nl banner levels of damage/rage gen but it works in the content i do

[shrewd cedar]

Yea that’s exactly why I’ve been flipping back and forth to night fae is that knock down and Niya

[sand pebble]

also using reprisal get used to leap/intervene charging

[shrewd cedar]

Whelp time to go put this to practice, sleeps for the weak right?

Yea I’ve been trying to get more use out of intervene starting to feel less wonky

[sand pebble]

i tie it into pulling more mobs with leap charge, kinda flows just right

[shrewd cedar]

So like charge leap out intervene back in?

[sand pebble]

charge into a fresh pack > use the revenge proc > leap back to other pack and charge again

[ionic fern]

I'm doing fine, and you?:)

[shrewd cedar]

Cool will try that out for sure

Thanks for the tippos doods

[warm plinth]

I'm good. Almost the weekend

[shrewd cedar]

Oh wait one last thing, so does battleshout actually generate any threat ? I know it was awesome in vanilla for bwl but I also know things got changed over the years /shrug

[sand pebble]

unsure if actual threat - i use it to proc a free token shield running with venth and i still use it in spires on the trash you los before 3rd boss - old habits

[shrewd cedar]

Ok thanks guys!

[blazing condor]

re

wc

sad

[jagged pier]

re

[warm plinth]

If it does, it's not a meaningful amount. But I would guess that it doesn't.

[ionic fern]

Still one full workday ahead.

😦

[jagged pier]

true

[warm plinth]

I work Sun-Thu so it's my Friday right now

[ionic fern]

Ah,enjoy. 😄

[cinder storm]

Had a fun key, mist 23 with my alt dk, was hoping for a quick timed key, lock did 12k overall, was hardcasting incinerate barely ever used his shards. 3.2k io

I know there are many dregs this last week but holy

[sand pebble]

maybe they were testing the rotation for next season after their nerfs

[warm plinth]

Kek

[strong forum]

Dude is preparing for s4

Role-playing

[quaint glade]

Guys does anyone know how sets will work in next season? Will we still be able to convert m+ gear into tier pieces?

Or no more tier sets next season? 🤔

[dawn canyon]

Catalyst should work

[strong forum]

Next season is like s3

But diff dungeons and all raids

And diff affixes

Everything else is the same

Tierset, catalyst, shards and everything else will work

[tepid nest]

do you guys pre-cast banner if you have it prior to a pull? seems like it lasts long enough to never need to cast it during the pull + it saves a global

so like banner > charge + ravager > revenge

[strong forum]

If its in m+, sure every now and again

In raid, don't do that, you'll lose banner cuz pulling bosses wipes buffs to prevent cheese

[tepid nest]

ok thanks 🙂

[mellow bridge]

dom shards wont work if you mean those

[drifting juniper]

now that shadowlans is almost over

what a stupid mechanic anima had honestly

filling your bag and you needing to go somewhere to deposit it

such a useless thing in combat compared to azerite and artifact power aswell

[uncut notch]

my pet hate, make a holding item like "scavenged anima" if youre gonna do the item mode.

or just go full currency

Idk why i had to have 500 of the fucking things

Let me right click conduits from anywhere and learn them

Add a button for "Add all conduits"

So many small QOL misses this expac, and some fucking huge ones

[tepid nest]

ye, it just feels messy

should've just been a fucking currency man

[uncut notch]

Theres just so much arbitrary bullshit to force you to do x or y

"We spent months making these covenant hq's, you WILL use them".

Literally the sole reason there isnt a forge of bonds in oribos, is that they know youd never go back to covenant HQ's otherwise

its literally the same argument that they have against flying "Players don't like doing this so we're going to force them to do it"

"Wait why is everyone leaving?"

[drifting fable]

forge of bonds in ZM so they might as well have done that :P