yer he asked lots of us to do all prot stuff but NA so cant
#protection
warm plinth
I do
onyx vessel
warm plinth
Actually only fury right now because reprisal is bad
onyx vessel
its ass to use
warm plinth
But dragonflight hopes and dreams could become reality
onyx vessel
if we had bfa charge it would be better
warm plinth
But it's cool we getting reflective plating, warbringer, and old SB back 
Nah because if we had bfa charge you could just use both charges on intervene instead of having to leap/intervene out and charge back in
warm plinth
I just play venth bear and thrash go brr my way to victory
onyx vessel
sharp night
reprisal is fun but a lot to track for sure
warm plinth
I just miss my carpal tunnel inducing Legion pwar
And my carpal tunnel inducing BFA pwar
onyx vessel
all other tanks have a easy mode legendary
warm plinth
Prot war has a minimally viable product legendary :kekw
onyx vessel
we have a charge spam shit one
look at bear and monk increase dmg and gives shield/heals
ours charge for more rage and SB
and intervene
problem is charge has a min range
warm plinth
They legit took SB uptime away from us so they could give it back to us with a legendary
sharp night
better than taking uptime away and giving nothing back
warm plinth
True
jagged pier
well that was more the haste scaling and the fact they didnt want us to have 100% uptime because it broken to get it for free like bfa
onyx vessel
our 4pc is a bit of joke tho
jagged pier
and they didnt give it to us because we didnt get rep till first patch
warm plinth
I am pugging keys at 2:30am. What could go wrong
warm plinth
I don't have bad ping playing with LA/BR. Just OCE
errant oriole
does anyone have a weakaura to track outburst stacks?
waxen orbit
LFG this late into the patch is just jam packed with the dregs of the game
errant oriole
nvm got one 😄
tepid nest
waxen orbit
Yes
strong forum
LFG this late into the patch is just jam packed with the dregs of the game
Next week all of them will come out of their bed and step into their caves to grind the R1 title
zealous willow
When we active shield block do we have 100% to crit block or we just block normal
lofty widget
100 % chance to normal block, your mastery decides your crit block chance
strong forum
^
zealous willow
what ilvl warr can be confy enuf to not req much healing for m15 ?
jagged pier
that depends on how comfortable you are with the class
as ppl were doing 20s at 252 at the start of the season
zealous willow
actuly i cant decide if i play wrong or good
with dk i dont even need heal
now with warrior i just died 1 time in plaguefall 15
im 245
and i'm not sure do i req much healing or im sustainng some dmg mitigation enuf
i guess if i die maybe my bad , but can healer just slack ?
should healer have more healing than me on my self
on such a low gear
open bluff
hard to answer without logs
zealous willow
yeah :X
cobalt seal
You also focusing way to much on healing
cinder storm
What killed you on the pf?
Only thing you could've struggled with are the adds that put the debuff on you
chilly brook
actuly i cant decide if i play wrong or good
The most likely answer is yourself
Tbh
chrome falcon
if you're ever dying on a 15
unless your group is 100% trolling you
it's your fault
chilly brook
50% exp bonus <:critcake:984549832511344640>
Here I was thinking they finally put the xp bonus up on classic
wild hemlock
do the current boosts get you to 50 or 60
dawn canyon
60 for 60€
dawn canyon
50% exp boost
wild hemlock
id rather sit in my house with no internet lol
chilly brook
Paying for a boost during xp boost is kinda cring
wild hemlock
than level
dawn canyon
leveling is okayge
jagged pier
50% xp boost
in S4
strong forum
<:SweatPopcorn:997088541903421550>
jagged pier
brah its still 35 here and im still working my brain is so fried its turned into brian
onyx vessel
how many warriors you at @jagged pier
jagged pier
8 i think
chilly brook
brah its still 35 here and im still working my brain is so fried its turned into...
Brother
jagged pier
no 10
jagged pier
yer but thats normal in usa
and your buildings have AC and arent designed to keep heat in
where they are here as uk isnt supposed to be hot
its supposed to be grey and depressing
chilly brook
jagged pier
jagged pier
chilly brook
^kek
jagged pier
Can’t fly any ACs in cause the dam tarmacs melting
👀
minor helm
Yeah just imagine urself next to Mickey Mouse and that’s the experience
Pretty much here already
jagged pier
that was the experience i had 
minor helm
chilly brook
Thankfully it’s only 54% humidity
The only thing I will ever miss about California is the low low low humidity
wild hemlock
this weekend michigan will be 90 degrees f+ with 60+% humidity lmao
people think its cold here but were a damn rain forest in the summer
chilly brook
60+ is absolutely normal
Normal for you maybe
verbal hill
Where can i view damage blocked?
strong forum
verbal hill
well it was just a boss fight and a little bit of trash before it
dawn canyon
still good
verbal hill
overall was 95 lol poggggg
strong forum
reflects dont show on logs as your own dmg.
dawn canyon
found it
verbal hill
spell reflect is so fun man
sonic crag
Any word yet on possible balance changes for season 4? Other than survival hunter and destruction warlock
wild hemlock
buff ele sham
dawn canyon
^
strong forum
Nothing as of yet
dawn canyon
Revert storm ele nerf
patent osprey
Yeah, Buffed Gavel for BDKs kek
minor helm
mighty cairn
let prot use 2h and shield
sick sentinel
hope ur not getting fucked over by heat over there in germany nome, someone also from germany says been as much as 40 c there
sick sentinel
let prot use 2h and shield
gunna do this it should pretty much be like pole arm only imo i don't see how you can be both swinging a 2 handed axe/max and then also blocking at the same time
alpine shard
magic
sick sentinel
The shield would have to be wrapped around the arm on fasteners on the inside with like leather, which i think it would make it alot harder to control blocked hits
minor helm
The magic of video games allows you to do this
sick sentinel
yeah well, if you have a race car and you race a truck and the truck accelerates 4 times as fast as you don't feel right
sweet summit
bigger engine innit
minor helm
Have you ever seen a drag strip yogi?
stark sage
i mean in reality, trucks are pretty fast in a straight line
most sports cars are designed for tracks not for drag
sick sentinel
yup, the realism factor would have to come in cuz 2h prot would be too OP, you'd have to nerf the % block chance or block value, and then the dmg
minor helm
Or it would be balanced and cool
No reason to not try and especially cause of realism
blazing condor
Have you ever seen a drag strip yogi?
Thought this was a dragon strippin
minor helm
drifting fable
fury already can hold 2 2 handers, dont think realism matters lol
minor helm
There’s small fury creatures doing front flips in hell right now
strong forum
Yeah, Buffed Gavel for BDKs kek
That's not an s4 balance change 
strong forum
hope ur not getting fucked over by heat over there in germany nome, someone also...
I have an AC, I'm bing chilling
urban portal
yup, the realism factor would have to come in cuz 2h prot would be too OP, you'd...
Just revert an aura buff and it’ll be fine
Weapons are not a part of balance generally
For example, smf on fury has lower stats than tg
But if you give them 15% aura buff while using smf it’ll be the same
sick sentinel
what bullshit
minor helm
Lmao
strong forum
That's literally how it works
sick sentinel
he says 90% of germany apartments don't have AC cuz they have insulated walls
minor helm
Curveball
urban portal
He’s part of the 10%
sick sentinel
Yeah you just hear the motor chittering
mighty valley
that's the top 25% of people who've logged a key afaik, not counting the people who never even do one
blazing condor
Correct
Raiderio gotta have something to compare to
Can only compare to their own database of rio score
(Is my guess)
sick sentinel
im purpl-ish at 2639 so... top 15%
i liked 10% better
don't need ac, only lasts 1 week then its normal temps again,
karmic plinth
just use the sweat to help generate extra rage for your feedback loop
sick sentinel
ho boy, i could have had 50k dps if sweat affected game play, past 3 days
modern brook
Sweat greases your caps so you can hammer shield slam faster
It's the feedback loop of our high apm gameplay 
strong forum
cuz you get more rage than bdk gets runes
waxen orbit
True
strong forum
but BDK can willingly reduce the CD of DRW
hazy edge
Ye
waxen orbit
I also only have 1 day of playtime on my BDK vs. around like 200 on my main
strong forum
whereas we have to keep extending banner, if it falls off its GG
hazy edge
bdk isn't as simple as people think. It's not just "spam hs 5head" you have to manage your resources well or you'll just lose drw and it'll have 1 min on it's cd still
waxen orbit
Def not as complex and difficult as prot but absolutely harder than people make it out to be
hazy edge
yup
waxen orbit
Kinda cracked spec tho considering I could tank weekly 15s at 237 with no tier and ZM trinkets
Granted 15s are paper
hazy edge
Ye bdk is really nice for keys, even w/o tier. I personally prefer the bdk game play w/o tier over w/ tier.
waxen orbit
It def felt better more engaging without tier
waxen orbit
Doing 12k overall at 264 with 4pc feels pretty nice though won’t lie
hazy edge
It was actually insanely fun
open gazelle
Yup avatar on basically a 30 sec cd is amazing
waxen orbit
Oh we were talking about BDK (I know, wrong channel)
But yeah tier on prot feels infinitely more engaging
open gazelle
Poor holy paladin got jipped on tier set
wild hemlock
Kinda cracked spec tho considering I could tank weekly 15s at 237 with no tier a...
im not buying this lol
open gazelle
Nvm I read their tier wrong it’s pretty good
hazy edge
https://raider.io/mythic-plus-runs/season-sl-3/17346773-15-mists-of-tirna-scithe
smh my head. Imagine using chilled resistance instead of fleeting wind. It's all about the need for speed on bdk
sick sentinel
15s are free man idk
depends how many yogi's you invite
waxen orbit
smh my head. Imagine using chilled resistance instead of fleeting wind. It's all...
Shit bro my bad
strong forum
im not buying this lol
?
people have done up to 22s with 250 ilvl
this season
ive seen a pwar who did 22s at 251 with a 226 shield
by just pugging
hazy edge
Shit bro my bad
also go left for bottom trait not right. don't need a second finesse and the dam from left is better
waxen orbit
people have done up to 22s with 250 ilvl
^ yeah like I did them week 2 on pwarr with no tier
Keys this season are a lot easier than prior
strong forum
ya 20s are the new 15s
waxen orbit
:urh:
strong forum
urh is gonna be fucky
waxen orbit
also go left for bottom trait not right. don't need a second finesse and the dam...
Noted
strong forum
to lose
strong forum
haste is defo the better stat
waxen orbit
dawn canyon
@wild hemlocktree today 
ele gamers rejoice
waxen orbit
An equal trade
dawn canyon
id trade these 2 in for gavel
dawn canyon
oh afenar 
wild hemlock
https://raider.io/mythic-plus-runs/season-sl-3/17346773-15-mists-of-tirna-scithe
well played my dude
wild hemlock
<@245373498938097665>tree today <:peepoHappyFisher:838631904936591401> ele gamer...
🙂 you mean budget destro locks rejoice
chrome falcon
thought you were talking about us for a second and was very confused
then i remembered
filthy blue class enjoyers
wild hemlock
dude the froshock buff is nasty
wild hemlock
@dawn canyon its out
dawn canyon
lets goo
sick sentinel
is happening?
hazy edge
Windfury totem available to all specs??
dawn canyon
@ entire arms channel
dawn canyon
seems relevant
chrome falcon
nah
chilly brook
What in the Classic
DW was all of your damage in BFA
chrome falcon
it also says SLT is available to all specs
just ignore it until we get it in the actual alpha
shit's clearly all wrong
hazy edge
^
chilly brook
shit's clearly all wrong
unless.....
Who knows
maybe SLT will be available to all
with an improved SLT for Resto
grave jacinth
Is there a haste breakpoint I need to be at to maintain Banner? I have 30% haste but still can't maintain it unless I spam IP.
grave jacinth
Is it worth to Leap out and charge in for rage?
distant crystal
you usually don't need to leap
chilly brook
Is there a haste breakpoint I need to be at to maintain Banner? I have 30% haste...
if you're not spamming IP are you just sitting on excess rage and capping?
lmfao
Cuz like
80% of the time you have to spam IP anyways
grave jacinth
OK. Cool. I just wanted to check that was the case but I wasn't sure.
distant crystal
basically spend as much as you can with revenge and shieldblock as needed
grave jacinth
Was spamming Revenge and getting no where.
distant crystal
then IP for the rest
distant crystal
our whole existence is rage spending now
hazy edge
I did the same thing earlier but, #997237573514690620 probs better
chilly brook
Demoralizing Shout change interesting but bolster needs something else, 10 seconds is omegalul. Now if it applies to AM again.......
jagged pier
the demo shout was datamined al ready
jagged pier
its in the pins
sick sentinel
our whole existence is rage spending now
Pain
distant crystal
Demoralizing Shout change interesting but bolster needs something else, 10 secon...
kinda feels like the only way that cd change makes sense tbh
dawn canyon
@wild hemlockcalculator out!!
chrome falcon
these changes were already in yeah
chilly brook
kinda feels like the only way that cd change makes sense tbh
I’d sure hope so
lofty widget
40 % unbuffed is when you wanna prio other secondaries
north pecan
Im sure it has been asked, but has anyone compiled a list of BIS for next season for +?
open bluff
how much haste is too much?
sims will tell you when you have enough
sweet summit
Im sure it has been asked, but has anyone compiled a list of BIS for next season...
it'll be out when the season is out
but also BiS lists are not great, BiS lists are only true once you have all items
and even then the meta might change mid season etc
molten rivet
how big is shield now btw ? i got 229 green one after like 30 keys XD
molten rivet
oh right
lofty widget
but theres no offensive use of a higher ilvl shield
chrome falcon
hasn't increased SS damage for about 13 years
molten rivet
why are people using codex on prot war btw? isnt it shit when we mitigated all the melee damage ?
naive panther
Just don't sb when it procs.
deep solar
sims will tell you when you have enough
simming tanks 🤨
sick sentinel
afaik u want a lot lot of haste
boreal jasper
patent osprey
Block super important but the first shield on Spelchuer block is kinda bait
chrome falcon
"NEW Sidearm Your auto-attacks have a 20% chance to hurl weapons at your target and 3 other enemies in front of you, dealing an additional (20% of Attack power) Physical damage."
POCKET SWORDS
patent osprey
or at least not noticeable
sick sentinel
<:Target:668436712573370382> <:Condemned:746292504474943507>
Execute NOW
chrome falcon
yeah yeah yeah
sand drum
What do I tell my dps "friends" that tells me to go Scale + Codex for 20 keys :C ?
chrome falcon
quite literally tell them to fuck off
you are not required to be polite in that scenario
sweet summit
tell them to shut the fuck up
chrome falcon
then you run the key with double dps trinkets
don't die
and do 12k+ dps
hope this helped
sand drum
running phail + sack atm :/ kinda troll with sack cus no mainstat I know but what do I play instead :/ ?
sweet summit
sack is good
chrome falcon
you can run scale/aegis over sack if you really want some defensive value
but again
just tell them to fuck off
and run double dps trinket
sand drum
dont have aegis 😦
sand drum
they sound so "angry" tho XD and tell me I dont survive :/
patent osprey
tell them to not miss a kick
chrome falcon
it's nothing to do with your trinkets
literally you just have to ignore them and prove them wrong
sand drum
first season tanking (as Pwar) so still 🟢
chrome falcon
by beasting your keys
it's the only option to shut people who think they know better up
just prove that they don't know better
patent osprey
That being said...
there is nothing wrong wearing defensive trinkets especially when starting out
Usually prio living over dps
chrome falcon
yeah if you actually ARE dying
patent osprey
and then push more dps
patent osprey
top 2 warriors wear codex ;)
drifting fable
darkest timeline
sweet summit
sand drum
top 2 warriors wear codex ;)
also arguments I hear "but top players play it" 😛
drifting fable
tbh anyone who makes that argument without knowing the why is dumb as hell
and is doomed to run codex
patent osprey
Sense plays cheat trinket and I play OWS XD
sand drum
can see if I find my latest dung log 😛 and you guys can destroy me 😦
sand pebble
i run codex because i like the stam and ther care free defensive+damage, it could be better, i could use ows or opc - but i dont
drifting fable
only thing posting a log does is help you improve
sand drum
LS + RC + codex -> FC for start but swap it befor key starts 🧠 ?
patent osprey
TBH codex isn't that bad...
chrome falcon
not worth the risk that you accidentally start the key with codex though
patent osprey
in high keys
sand drum
in high keys
20?
25+ ?
chrome falcon
like 28+
sand pebble
making it sound like nothing is completable if using codex
chrome falcon
no it's just a bad trinket
patent osprey
it's still a decent defensive/off trinket
cinder storm
I have to swap codex before a run because dps think its the best tank trinket
open bluff
also arguments I hear "but top players play it" 😛
Easiest response is they’re also doing content way above what your group’s probably doing if they’re begging you to wear codex
Or they just need to stop being a bad healer
cinder nova
Didn't we already find out that Codex is numerically inferior
sand pebble
if the content you are clearing isnt being cleared due to tank dps - a trinket change isnt going to fix a thing
patent osprey
dps loss but it's a trinket that passive gives u little offense and defense
cinder storm
Losing main stats over hp is big pain
chrome falcon
if the content you are clearing isnt being cleared due to tank dps - a trinket c...
ok but "this isn't going to break my key" doesn't mean it's correct to run it
if you don't want to optimise that's your choice
patent osprey
U get more dps and survivability from play rather than trinkets
sand pebble
averages 4-6% healing and 2-4% damage when i use it , not bad for a complete passive
patent osprey
so it's fine playing codex
I personally just don't like it as prot warrior isn't like getting rekt at all times. so I like the on demand defensiveness
I even played first sigil in a 27+ DOS and it felt good having on demand verse for the pain points
sand pebble
i have scale for on demand def or instant aoe pull threat'
chrome falcon
averages 4-6% *healing* and 2-4% *damage* when i use it , not bad for a complete...
you're not counting the opportunity cost of stam over strength
whether codex is good or not isn't a discussion it's a very well trodden path in here and the numbers have been done by better players than us
like you say that's not bad
but... it is
sand pebble
on a scale of 1-10 how bad is it though?
patent osprey
Numbers don't always translate to real circumstances though :)
chrome falcon
does it matter how bad it is? it's bad
sand pebble
it does matter
patent osprey
on a scale of 1 -10 you could do alot worse :)
drifting fable
yea but you could also do better
and with 2 trinket slots
i feel like its not a hard fight
sand pebble
scale and ? compare ot to my 246 ows
drifting fable
ows
chrome falcon
unless you're doing 25s+ you should definitely just be wearing the ows
sand drum
when you forgot you changed ERT settings and forgot to enable logs
cinder storm
Lets be honest, there's like maybe 10 ppl here who are doing keys the level pika is
sand pebble
dont have sack, dont have phial
patent osprey
Codex is the play for ultra high keys
preference
sand pebble
i have 246 ows, so leahs, opc, scale, codex
chrome falcon
soleahs > codex
soleahs could give you nothing but strength and be better than codex
cinder storm
If anything this discussion will stop soon comes S4
sand pebble
for haste or vers? running 35% haste as is
chrome falcon
haste until 40
drifting fable
idk if it will, codex is in tazavesh
patent osprey
I'd say trinket choices matter very little and playstyle also determines trinket choices
cobalt seal
If anything this discussion will stop soon comes S4
patent osprey
use what u like
patent osprey
if ur bad at using scale or aegis it can be a terrible trinket choice
sand pebble
no no ima run soleahs in a key and compare
cobalt seal
Imagine <:copium:839076283467431956>ing Plka
sand pebble
even better ima run low keys
chrome falcon
no no ima run soleahs in a key and compare
i dunno how you plan on comparing but i can assure you that the maths has been done by theorycrafters in here
cobalt seal
no no ima run soleahs in a key and compare
inc you come here and say it did less than codex
cobalt seal
because codex is doing dmg and healing
cobalt seal
all the trinkets this expansion fucking suck
Aegis, OWS
chrome falcon
from last patch yes very cool
waxen orbit
This has gotta be the most asinine argument that never ends
patent osprey
What do I know 
I'm washed up anyways :P Brew main that swapped back warrior cause missed it so much
cobalt seal
Aegis is still used by some people
sand pebble
because codex is doing dmg and healing
nah id compare things like total indom healing, damage of abilities cause str/stm and leave it out of here because no matter the result id be told its wrong regardless - but ill do these little compares in +2 keys
waxen orbit
How many times has this topic been talked about here lol
chrome falcon
seems to be all he cares about
chrome falcon
nah id compare things like total indom healing, damage of abilities cause str/st...
look man you can do what you want but i really doubt you're going to be as good at crunching the numbers as @strong forum
shut summit
could literally wear like 184 trinkets and do high keys, argument is pointless both ways
wear what you want who gives a fuck
sand pebble
matt seems to care what we wear
shut summit
its just an endless loop
sand pebble
it really is
sick sentinel
all i know is thank god fort explosive week is over
sand pebble
^^ this
dawn canyon
my lawyers have recommended for me to not take stance on the codex debate
sand drum
^ true :>
chrome falcon
ok i mean i guess we can just stop talking about what's optimal to wear on protection warrior in the protection warrior channel
how many mounts do you guys have? i like dragons because they're scary and they breathe fire 🙂
sick sentinel
but, 1 rotation ago, we can never forget the 15kdps feral druid who did 10 million bite damage on all the explosive orbs and saved my 18 TOP
the only reason that key ever made it IMO
sand pebble
nerf feral imo
dawn canyon
how many mounts do you guys have? i like dragons because they're scary and they ...
my favourites are those raven lord sized ones that do the funny hopping animation
cobalt seal
ok i mean i guess we can just stop talking about what's optimal to wear on prote...
you aren't gonna change 50% of codex users mentality
chrome falcon
i killed the raven lord boss earlier in classic today!! i didn't get it though :((((
sand pebble
how many mounts do you guys have? i like dragons because they're scary and they ...
i got 3 of the taz ones farming for trinket
cobalt seal
i got 3 of the taz ones farming for trinket
there is only 2
waxen orbit
how many mounts do you guys have? i like dragons because they're scary and they ...
Personally my favorite has gotta be the otter mount we're getting in DF
chrome falcon
i got the rare drop taz mount on my first kill in 9.1
dawn canyon
ravenlord/korthia paragon/fossil raptor/Arathi basin Raptor
chrome falcon
and it's just a very vague recolour
sand pebble
i had the drop one drop 3 times and traded 2 of them
dawn canyon
that type of stuff
chrome falcon
of the one you get for free from the quest
sick sentinel
dragons also inlcudes like drakes and shit doesn't have to be all good guy dragons
chrome falcon
so what's the fucking point
patent osprey
waxen orbit
<a:vault:920740470307561553>
👋
cinder storm
Blood and Thunder Increases the damage of Thunderclap by 10% and whenever you Thunder Clap a target affected by your Rend, you also affect every target with Rend.
10.1 After internal testing we have determined that Protection Warrior was doing too well in PvP and Open world scenarios, we will reduce the damage done by Thunderclap by 9%, also, F U.
dawn canyon
this implies pvp tuning
sick sentinel
where is the "also F U"
chrome falcon
we had to literally 1 shot people with SS before blizz did any pvp tuning
so i'd be pretty surprised if they did it for anything else
cinder storm
where is the "also F U"
it's implied
sick sentinel
implied through how
cinder storm
sick sentinel
oh well, last i checked in retail bad to press TC, not as high priority, rather
urban portal
Is blood surge all specs
undone verge
Last stand 2 minute cooldown let’s gooo
urban portal
Or just arms
cobalt seal
DF conversations should be in #997237573514690620
undone verge
Same with challenging shout
cobalt seal
dawn canyon
DF conversations should be in <#997237573514690620>
nerd react
sick sentinel
hmm, this is DF stuff eh?
dawn canyon
no actually its classic
sick sentinel
i probably don't got alpha, so, i'm just waitin on the wowhead version
sick sentinel
i can't even remember wtf a blood surge is
sick sentinel
its for the squish
cuz ill just run the tanks through LFD 50 million times
i'll have a shit load of lvl 37's or some crap again
healers i can do too but requires i look at screen
dawn canyon
healers i can do too but requires i look at screen
ye you seem like the type of guy to not look at ur screen when tanking
chrome falcon
blood and thunder owned but the game is extremely different now
rend+tc is spending 2 globals to do what druid currently does in 1
lavish oracle
finding a keybind for rend would be annoying
chrome falcon
but blood and thunder owned so i'm down
lavish oracle
rend+tc is spending 2 globals to do what druid currently does in 1
you're using TC anyways, it's really just 1 extra GCD for the whole pack
sand pebble
dont forget thunderous roar - we turning into a bleed dot class
chrome falcon
you're using TC anyways, it's really just 1 extra GCD for the whole pack
literally the most important GCD of the pack though
the first one
lavish oracle
true
chrome falcon
and then TC damage is probably ass
BUT if we end up being bullied into running unstoppable force
TC-rend-TC sounds like a fun lil opener
lavish oracle
I like unstoppable force, don't gotta bully me
dawn canyon
finding a keybind for rend would be annoying
i have the keybind free that i use from arms but its very ugly
generally this is looking to be a keybind heavy expansion
lavish oracle
I can probably just swap out my kyrian pot since that's gone for sure
cinder storm
I never tried pwar prior bfa, but if dots become big for us, we might be very good in high keys
chrome falcon
thunder 💤 clap 💤
sick sentinel
all the gear and potions and everything
sand pebble
looks fun for tw week
lavish oracle
I never tried pwar prior bfa, but if dots become big for us, we might be very go...
I keep thinking UW will make us sick for dungeons if we can reasonably live the highest level of keys
sick sentinel
T for taunt
lavish oracle
That's where mine is too 😄
Shift+T is torrent
20% DR for the whole party on things like 3rd boss of SD would be siiiick
but I guess evoker brings that too
dawn canyon
my taunt is on shift g from dps specs so odds are ill rebind a ton for df
chrome falcon
yeah aoe shield wall is actually pretty sick for pushing keys
it's just useless everywhere else
lavish oracle
good for arenas
sick sentinel
where is my run to enemy button?
lavish oracle
it's just prot is not good in arenas 😄
dawn canyon
make tanks inable to queue 2s/3s 😡
sick sentinel
don't like manual heroic leap, on horse
gray nest
So I am trying to learn protection warrior, coming from VDH. I have a super basic question about rotation and prioritization. Am I correct in terms of rage spenders I want to keep up shield block as much as possible, then ignore pain? I should only be revenging if it has a proc?
chrome falcon
incorrect
well partially correct
if you're being melee'd you need to have SB up
but when you start playing correctly you are going to have so much rage that you can spam revenge off-proc and still very easily overcap
IP is used solely to dump excess rage to prevent overcapping
gray nest
is there a good resource for "playing right" in terms of rotation/prioritization? I have been basically just using shield slam and thunderclap on cooldown, mashing shield block to keep it up as much as possible, then dumping ignore pain but i cant keep ignore pain up all the time, sort of feel rage starved
it definitely feels like I am doing something wrong somehow
chrome falcon
you're not trying to keep ignore pain up "all the time"
that;s your main problem
IP is a very bad ability
it is used exclusively to dump excess rage
you shouldn't be trying to keep it up
gray nest
oh ok that was probably my main misconception then
gray nest
so basically I should start using revenge more
chrome falcon
almost certainly, yes
revenge is sort of a generator via proccing SS
if you ever have a dead global, you fucked up and overspent on IP
gray nest
Ok yea I am def overspending on IP. Sweet dude I will give that a try
chrome falcon
dunno if you're doing keys or what level but feel free to post logs
we'll probably rip the shit out of them but most of us are nice
gray nest
I'm just now getting going in mythic+, maybe once I try the revenge thing and get more comfortable. I still don't have my full tier set yet either
chrome falcon
ah yeah definitely get tier set
gray nest
Is IP worth using when you know there is a burst of damage coming or is it so bad that you just keep focusing on other shit?
chrome falcon
literally that's not a thing that happens in your thought process
at least it doesn't in mine
cobalt seal
You should feel rage overwhelmed
chrome falcon
you should have so much rage and be spamming so much that you have IP up for the damage spikes anyway
gray nest
ok yea I was way overvaluing IP in my mind, thanks dude that helped a lot
chrome falcon
like yes if something is about to hit you hard and you're low you should IP
cobalt seal
You can always log
chrome falcon
but you shoudl already be spamming so much
cobalt seal
And post here
warm plinth
I'll spam your ip
chrome falcon
kyaa
mighty valley
the only times i can think when i'm mashing IP is when i'm not in boss range and taking a big hit
like jailer pillars or rygelon soaks
which is also to try and stretch banner until i return to boss anyway
mighty valley
then perish
balmy canyon
Thoughts on how long to hold outburst before spending on TC to clear the way. I've had a few times where I've got a proc ready but SS is on CD and I'm stuck either praying for a reset or waiting for the cd. I still do other things but holding for that ss really slows things down
pallid quiver
In general, if you'd have to either:
- Not press anything for a global
- Overwrite outburst with another outburst
- SS would cap you on rage
Just use outburst on TC
It's fine to fish for resets with a few revenges, but if it doesn't come up and you risk wasting something, whether rage, damage or outburst, it's better to just blow it on TC
pallid quiver
Thoughts on how long to hold outburst before spending on TC to clear the way. I'...
This part is just feely-ish, but generally that means you'd probably hold it for like, 3 globals at worst? As long as you follow the above, you shouldn't have too bad a time
hazy edge
3 globals is a good generalization
chrome falcon
Thoughts on how long to hold outburst before spending on TC to clear the way. I'...
The solution is to put TC on cool-down when you’re 6-7 stacks
But generally I just use it if I fuck up and end up in that situation
I hate dead globals
mighty valley
this is the one place where pooling rage is sort of good
don't overcap but don't throw away an IP you don't need to when an outburst is coming
so you can maximize chances at reset
hazy edge
Died from a missed taunt near the end of p2 stayed dead till p3 started then died right after cause I ripped aggro from execute dam
woulda been a great parse too
warm plinth
Execute too stronk
jagged pier
Died from a missed taunt near the end of p2 stayed dead till p3 started then die...
dont worry all our guilds logs are public now but they so old none could be ranked anymore so i dont even have an artficer kill or halondrus kill even tho i have video evidence
jagged pier
🤔
dawn canyon
reprisal to 99,99%
ancient marsh
Cheers man
dawn canyon
unless they tune stuff
strong forum
There's no way to not run reprisal unless they literally rework it
Or severely buff SB uptime out of the blue
jagged pier
👀
sweet summit
:clueless:
minor helm
strong forum
👀
I'd be okay with that
"Shield Wall removed
New Legendary - The Wall, Shieldslam now grants 5seconds of Shield Wall"
wintry nymph
Also deals damage equal to 100% of their max hp
strong forum
"New conduit - Iron Maiden, during Shieldwall Ignore Pain effectiveness increased by 50% and refunds 10% of all rage spent while Ignore Pain is active"
ionic fern
Did you ever finish that NW 25 you did yesterday with 5 tanks Nome? I checked your stream for a sec when you just killed the first boss.
strong forum
We didnt, we got RNG'd to death on last boss
ionic fern
😦
strong forum
And then we missed hoa 25 by 32seconds
ionic fern
That's a feels bad.
strong forum
We played pretty sloppy
And I played like absolute trash
Only did 13k when I did 15k in the 24s
ionic fern
Are you playing Reprisal or Seismic in those keys? I don't think you're actively tanking?
ionic fern
Ah,okay.
minor helm
What’s the all tank comp?
strong forum
2x vdh, 1x bear 1x pally 1x pwar
Pally is for support, bear and vdh for aoe dmg
I'm there for boss dmg, reflect and actually being tanky
ionic fern
Where's that monk for damage buffs. 😦
strong forum
Pally has to abuse an ultra ST setup to do boss dmg
This is kyrian pally
Not venthyr
ionic fern
Ow.
strong forum
Cuz kyrian does 4-5k more overall than venthyr
ionic fern
sick sentinel
how does SR work with Staggering Barrage on Dausegne in SotFO?
Can you immune the entire thing or is it one ball and then you die?
sweet summit
one ball
molten rivet
Can you reflect on hakkar?
minor helm
You can reflect the blood
stuck rock
why is marileth the go to soulbind? isnt emeni pretty good because of the base strength buff which makes banner percent strength buff even better
strong forum
Marileth has overall the better conduit spread and grants neat bonuses from corpses
And Kevin owns
strong forum
or is it banner
Banner
And with emeni I think you can only run 1 potency, so it's quite the large loss
You want minimum 2 potency for AJ and Cov
stuck rock
Emeni Str buff only lasts for 20sec
yeah true
for some reason i thought it was longer
strong forum
Early on I though that you could infinitely extend the buff aswell, which would be awesome, but no
north pecan
Meh and I like Heirmir, as I like the 10s of staying alive so a lock can SS you and you can just pop up and aoe taunt and be fine ;p
zealous willow
How come monks are in better rio than wars when they sux at ST dps and etc
cinder nova
That's about it, yeah.
wild hemlock
we healy aoe boys now?
strong forum
Yup
onyx vessel
grave crane
monks mitigation is 100% passive so theres no worrying about it. you just press the flashing buttons and win the jackpot
grave crane
stagger is passive, shuffle is almost a passive cause as long as you press any buttons that do dam it causes shuffle
onyx vessel
very easy
void hill
How has sb x3 then last stand fill with shield wall if gaps as mitigation changed since 8.3? I'm a returning prot warrior.
dawn canyon
A LOT
dawn canyon
Charge and intervene give u block
So you use that to get Block outside of casts
We dont really press clap anymore
onyx vessel
with a legendary^
dawn canyon
All the damage is shieldslam and revenge
dawn canyon
Last stand amps rage gen with a trait so we use that to Power necrolord Banner
lofty widget
you do thunderclap
lowest prio of our rage generators
west walrus
TC is more like a filler now
void hill
Oof
wintry nymph
is p warr one of the harder tanks to play?
void hill
This is sadge
onyx vessel
yes
lofty widget
the hardest atm
dawn canyon
is p warr one of the harder tanks to play?
The hardest
wintry nymph
okay
onyx vessel
go play monk if you cant
onyx vessel
less hard if you go spear
dawn canyon
This is sadge
wintry nymph
but first time tanking for me
dawn canyon
Can this win you over?
lofty widget
This is sadge
current prot is a lot more fun than 8.3 prot imo
wintry nymph
took a bit of getting used to it
grave crane
hard to play well, and fast paced, play necro get double leggo and tier and pump
wintry nymph
pwar definetly a lot of fun tho
onyx vessel
thats sense doing that
grave crane
yeah we do i did 21% of my jailer dam in execute lol
dawn canyon
thats sense doing that
Every pwar enjoyer is a sigmachad and hits 100k exes
west walrus
I had to stop doing damage on the Jailer several times, unless I wanted to get aggro back 😢
west walrus
I play monk for HPS, I play prot warr for DPS
dawn canyon
imagine if we had monks 4pc
Reveg give hp
cinder storm
But our hp barely moves
wintry nymph
TC gives hp
dawn canyon
Outburst owns
grave crane
i like our 4p gives us huge rage gen and infinite banner
onyx vessel
fat touch of deaths
grave crane
plus 30k SS crits steal threat right off other tanks
west walrus
Outburst makes Necrolord (which is fun to play) viable. But outburst design sucks
dawn canyon
If it didnt work on tc itd be perfect imo
onyx vessel
just like our legendarys
reprisal
unenjoyable to use
imagine keg smash legendary we had but it was revenge
cinder storm
Only tank tier there requires actual thinking and planning ahead
onyx vessel
yeah the rest are just slap harder gain more toughness 0 effort required
they didnt wanna have 8.3 pwarr problems probably
also what actually makes our 4pc make nercolord more desired
its legit just the use of a second legendary
cinder storm
I really don't know why they decided to give us a "complex" tier over other tanks, like, they designed our first and then they were like "nah just have the rest press one button and copy/paste it"
west walrus
It's not the only complex tank tier, it's the only complex tier overall
cinder storm
Something akin to other tanks imo would have been like "return damage blocked every x shield blocks bla bla bla"
onyx vessel
look at past tier for us
cinder storm
It took me less effort to do 24s on my dk alt after only gearing it for 3 weeks (with no wrist pain must add) than it did for me with pwar main
cinder storm
Tf I want to use revenge for, dogshit visuals, let me TC again
zealous willow
The only thing we need to be god tier now is the last tallent to red 1 sec from last stand per 10 rage 🙂
cinder storm
Revenge has a chance to cast Ravager for half it's duration
cinder storm
No, S4 is not about balancing
It's more about giving old toys with different colors
zealous willow
idk druid atm is super boring and trash in same time
cinder storm
Always been
zealous willow
so they buff jaler wep and leave bdk like that ? 😄
with stacking haste from dungeons
west walrus
idk druid atm is super boring and trash in same time
Boring and thrash ? :D
zealous willow
u know how will dk parse ?
cinder storm
🧑🚀 🌑 🔫 👨🚀
onyx vessel
monk is probably the funniest boring tank
onyx vessel
legit easy mode
zealous willow
i find dk fun , the tier set is rly cool and all , but its a bit out of scale
u dont need heal , ur immortal and soon dk will do even more dps
i smell nerf
cinder storm
They were nerfed
drifting fable
theyre losing tier so
cinder storm
Then half the community cried about it
lofty widget
tier isnt going anywhere
cinder storm
Same as locks
onyx vessel
we actually gonna lose tier in s4?
lofty widget
"just" the % str
onyx vessel
we got some amusing talents legendaries no1 used