#protection
undone verge
dawn canyon
See? If he can see he can shoot
undone verge
dawn canyon
To quote wnba slogan "at least he's got good fundamentals"
Maybe he boosts 2s
Or sucks
toxic gyro
You should see soccer players and their time spent on the ground, not to mention the excruciating pain they’re going through….🤣
undone verge
I love those videos
vernal vale
potent anvil
mortal brook
median timber
zinc shale
this is my tanking wep. ive ran like 20 nw/pf/mists together and still no drop xd
about to friggin farm 20s for more drops
quaint glade
Sadge 😦
jagged pier
what is that?
jagged pier
its not actually
because blade dancers has strength on it
(not joking btw)
blade dancers is actually better
like both trinkets do nothing so this one with more strength is better
hence why its better
verbal hill
how is grim codex?
cobalt seal
Compared to ?
cobalt seal
Not pressing enough ip
cobalt seal
Healing 5 times over almost
You still Lost str
urban portal
you lose armor, parry, ignore pain, etc
zinc shale
Have 10/10?
cobalt seal
You gonna get a skill issue answer
10% each
Go to ZM
Buy a 226 trinket
Boom
Upgrade
zinc shale
I mean
cobalt seal
And enjoy the 80g
zinc shale
I only play M+ and since the entire top 100 uses codex, id assume its worthwhile in m+
brittle owl
they're not dummies
zinc shale
I'm gonna go with people around 4000 score over your ksm tho
urban portal
its mathematically bad but ok
cobalt seal
Lol
cobalt seal
@jagged pier
Do your job
Your codex did 4% dmg
Thats all you need to know
To switch
brittle owl
you're just not playing the same game as them
urban portal
scale does more hps and healing
brittle owl
it's not a good idea to copy blindly
brittle owl
I'm gonna go with people around 4000 score over your ksm tho
that would be like taking driving advice from f1 drivers instead of your regular guy that drives for a living (:
zinc shale
I dont think you know how much 4% is really
Procc dps trinkets usually are below that
zinc shale
Every BIS dps trinket does less than that
brittle owl
cro stop being a cunt either explain properly or shut up
cobalt seal
I did explain
cobalt seal
3x already
urban portal
125 strength is 6% damage
fallow narwhal
less str = less stuff
urban portal
a hypothetical trinket that does 0 damage will do more damage than codex
brittle owl
is codex a sim trap?
urban portal
it doesnt even sim well
zinc shale
So OPC or phial is better then
urban portal
yes
zinc shale
i guess opc would be good into the extra parry
cobalt seal
Just sim
zinc shale
ah wait that doesnt count does it
since opc use doesnt exactly come from gear
wait it does work
zinc shale
10% parry on opc use isnt halfbad
urban portal
its not bad
its 10% hps vs melees
thats uncapped
its just that OPC only does something vs melees
grave crane
theres all kinds of trinkets you could go with that are better than codex. Nom did all the math and its a loss. go for phial or sack, shit i use a decanter cause thats all ive got
grave crane
aside from the strength loss which is just a huge loss, it also applies after IP so it does less for us than any other tank. big ol bad pile of shit
the trinket not you
jagged pier
so at its max damage reduction codex will reduce 2% damage from us
its fucking useless
take a trinket with strength and haste stats that will do more damage reduction through more strength
more rage
more procs
verbal hill
whats opc
zinc shale
zealous willow
Yo any1 of u looked at the new loot we get from s4 dungeons and found something interesting for us?
sweet summit
notable mentions are ows, aegis, matrix and mechagon rings
depending on if m0 and hardmodes are available that list could expand
zealous willow
ty 🙂
minor helm
depending on if m0 and hardmodes are available that list could expand
M0 currently does not
If it’s shadowlands dungeons
sweet summit
mechagon specifically
minor helm
Aah
Gg said earlier the older dungeons m0s weren’t scaled at all so no clue maybe they haven’t updated them yet
But also gg is a dum dum idiot head
sweet summit
yep
minor helm
spiral warren
But also gg is a dum dum idiot head
minor helm
orchid frigate
With new season coming, will dungeons scale up the week before season starts as ush?
balmy canyon
I don't think they scaled up in the last two season transitions until after season start.
gray cape
Hi I'm a noob prot war alt and have a quick q - does demo shout generate threat?
strong forum
Technically yes
But it's as much as threat 1 sneeze
It generates more than 0 but less than literally any other action in the game
And iirc it was only in conjunction with booming voice (talent) that the shout itself, through the rage generation, causes to generate any threat
For example conq banner from necrolord also pulses a microscopic amount of threat anytime it grants rage
sick sentinel
so RIP to rep ITF AM hr?
thats what it sounds like whenever warrior trees get released
gray cape
It generates more than 0 but less than literally any other action in the game
okay perfect thank you!
sweet summit
nothing is set in stone 🙂
we don't even have the tree nor know what's baseline and what's talents
hell, we don't even have all the talents known
sick sentinel
doesn't have to be so fast to be angry
sweet summit
?
cobalt seal
/s
dawn canyon
minor helm
sweet summit
i don't get it
cobalt seal
it was me joking around yogi response about you being angry
hardy ridge
it was me joking around yogi response about you being angry
Be nice bro
dawn canyon
cobalt seal
Be nice bro
be nice and don't call me bro next time. Thank you
hardy ridge
be nice and don't call me bro next time. Thank you
okay pal
minor helm
brittle owl
let alone pal
shut up cro stop being a cringe cunt
cobalt seal
waxen orbit
be nice and don't call me bro next time. Thank you
modern brook
@sweet summit 
sweet summit
blazing condor
skyhold purge when
waxen orbit
True
dawn canyon
cobalt seal
Just playing with you <@290115907278077952> no need to get heated
I'm literally trolling you with vdh memes
waxen orbit
What’s a VDH meme
blazing condor
vdh is a meme
waxen orbit
I don’t play it/frequent their disc
cobalt seal
dawn canyon
I don’t play it/frequent their disc
very wholesome spec discord
reminiscent of #fury
waxen orbit
Oh Christ
cobalt seal
reminiscent of <#148898695696482305>
dawn canyon
well yall gamer word more
waxen orbit
Cap
waxen orbit
well yall gamer word more
I got called the gamer word like 4 times by a fury last night on my BDK in a fuckin baby 18 because he thought my 249 BDK could get aggro quick enough over a 278 fury blowing all his CDs before I even placed DnD
open gazelle
Codex ftw
waxen orbit
Wrong class for that trinket
Strongest dam mit tank
Using a trinket based on how much dam you take
blazing condor
waxen orbit
Nah man I’m civil
waxen orbit
Does their name start with an ab and end with a p?
lofty widget
it's an acronym
dawn canyon
Does their name start with an ab and end with a p?
always
posts
bait/bullshit
the latter is what you prefer
toxic pewter
Not even accurate. We were talking about what race to roll for df
I started that conversation
toxic pewter
Either way I must defend myself
cobalt seal
is this the 12th century or what?
waxen orbit
internet beef
dawn canyon
Idk im not dying from sore throat
covid
toxic pewter
I hope you feel better razonko soon
viral arch
I got called the gamer word like 4 times by a fury last night on my BDK in a fuc...
You do realize D&D does no dam, yes
viral arch
just making sure
waxen orbit
My point was I had not even gotten to the pull yet and man went full balls
modern brook
theres no coming back from that keksquad
modern brook
autumn pendant
I hope you feel better razonko soon
It was exemple. I am actually healthy
viral arch
it's ok man, I know where to find your BDK in case I ever need log-based entertainment
toxic pewter
Lol classic Thwump
cinder storm
Bonus point of the healer was PIng the fury
autumn pendant
But nice of you boys
viral arch
for real though, these people learn quickly enough that memento of angerboda isn't in game anymore
toxic pewter
Oh my mistake I misread
viral arch
or they get permastuck at 2.7-2.8k
cinder storm
I think mwahi fell asleep on the keyboard
ionic fern
@cobalt seal @toxic pewter @dawn canyon @waxen orbit stop stirring shit every evening with eachother. Make a discord server that you can all join and continue your crap there.
dawn canyon
toxic pewter
Understood
waxen orbit
Bro I’m rarely in here doin that but 👍
lucid pasture
<@290115907278077952> <@185160009074737153> <@653287531038900236> <@203999248931...
mwahi did you see new set
thoughts
waxen orbit
New set is a full brick
jagged pier
dawn canyon
<bricked up joke>
ionic fern
I'm a sucker for the most generic warrior set ever..the BRF one. Goes well with my dark iron flamey beard.
lucid pasture
<#997237573514690620>
lucid pasture
I'm a sucker for the most generic warrior set ever..the BRF one. Goes well with ...
🤝
waxen orbit
I'm a sucker for the most generic warrior set ever..the BRF one. Goes well with ...
Counterpoint
BWL
dawn canyon
ggx return 
there was many ggx n ggys
or i dont have good memory
either is possible
cobalt seal
my question remains
waxen orbit
Oh shit I misplaced it
Meant b tier
In high keys?
Yeah
If you’re fully using your toolkit
To its full potential
waxen orbit
BDK is deadass just don’t ping delay
waxen orbit
VDH to my knowledge doesn’t have as much to deal with shit as BDK does (but keep in mind, this is entirely off my own experience, and my experience with VDH is very narrow)
Keep in mind
I am a prot warr andy
I am by no means an expert on VDH
Talked with a VDH in my guild
They said C tier
Checks out
cobalt seal
waxen orbit
Honestly fair
Okay
Final product
Anyways nobody get pressed by this tier list shit
chilly brook
It looks accurate to me
chilly brook
sick sentinel
re-rolling red boy 🪝
urban portal
ye i dont see how bears have any skill expression
chilly brook
ye i dont see how bears have any skill expression
The skill expression is learning how not to die outside of incarn windows
Also I’ve seen some pretty cool stuff from bears tbh less so this xpac but some pretty cool hybrid healing stuff during bfa in keys
ocean yoke
didnt matter since it was an easier boss but guardians with heart of the wild could absolutely pump healing on kaelthas in nathria
onyx vessel
bear into zzzzzzzz tier
waxen orbit
sick sentinel
is this just how easy they are to play at an average level?
onyx vessel
yeah
sick sentinel
ah ic
sick sentinel
yeah i think some of those are giga easy to play average
but you can definitely tell the difference between a good and average player on those classes in different ways
waxen orbit
I mean that goes for most
A bad anything does low damage
Okay here’s the final tier list I constructed for HIGH keys
So anything 25 and higher
sick sentinel
hm
i think vdh is a little harder in high keys atm
they just chunk to single big hits
bleak scroll
Can't take damage if the mobs are out of range 😄
dawn canyon
bin list
urban portal
i mean
waxen orbit
But fun to make
sick sentinel
vdh excels at trash but struggles a lot on st
urban portal
each individual trash isnt
but when you are pulling 15 at a time
it kinda is
9.0 wicked bolts
shredding prot warriors
waxen orbit
BDK is in low A because 1 shot territory is there and while they have the most in their toolkit to handle damage, they need to remain focused if they want good uptime on CRW, to do damage, and not get instaclapped
waxen orbit
Not nearly as much focus required as is for prot warr but still
Requires more than the 3 tanks below it
sick sentinel
whereas bdk is the opposite, bdk can fall over on trash much easier than a boss
gdruid ive only done 1 high key
it was 27top
waxen orbit
It’s really just pull moderate til incarn
waxen orbit
People try to act like it’s hard now but it’s really just patience
Just don’t rush
EZ time
sick sentinel
bdk looks easy to a lot of ppl
but i have a warped perception of it
since one of my main tanks is mdi tank lol
so actually hard to compare that
all others i agree with
good list
thwump bis
waxen orbit
thwump bis
🫂
cinder storm
Playing bdk pre tier requires some brainpower
With tier I completely agree with thwump
With pwar ive had healers tell me they don't like us because they have to heal someone else in the party, and even when I understand where they are coming from, it's also an excuse me moment
sick sentinel
i might play arms in DF with condemn buffs
cinder storm
And normally I take like 20%-25% healing taken, with bdk is 10% less in the same level of key, but still
sick sentinel
been trying fire, but it seems ehhh to me, i'm not able to get great dps out of it
waxen orbit
With pwar ive had healers tell me they don't like us because they have to heal s...
See that’s when you call them out for just not being a good healer
Because
That is their job
open bluff
With pwar ive had healers tell me they don't like us because they have to heal s...
so you have healers that... don't want to heal?
open bluff
rule 3 apply the same logic to dps
dawn canyon
Rule 3 make up a better set of rules
north arrow
Are prot warriors actually macroing IP into things or is it press more buttons and get gud?
sweet summit
press more and get good
press buttons on cd and don't waste rage
it's good fun
hpoe u have necro leveld
u have it from torghast
surely
ocean yoke
leaper is where its at tbh
minor helm
potent anvil
Prot warr with lots of crit feels good. Then you get people thinking you need more vers to be tanky. Then you look at dmg meters.
mighty valley
which version
stray lichen
still seam to be struggling with keeping SB and IP up but It feels like I am hitting them everytime im able to
dont know if its how i have my keybinds set up or if im just that slow at hitting the spells
drifting fable
still seam to be struggling with keeping SB and IP up but It feels like I am hit...
are you intentionally trying to keep IP up or are you just using it to not overcap on rage
definitely seems like you are not prioritizing SS enough. you should be hitting that whenever it is up
30% banner is abysmal as well
open bluff
improving banner uptime will go a long way toward increasing your sb/ip uptime as well since it's a shit ton of rage
as far as if you're slow hitting buttons, 45.4 CPM is rather low for prot warrior
stray lichen
I have been intentionally trying to keep it up, as I feel like I stay alive easier, should it only be used as a rage dump, I normally try to max it out and then use revenge while thats up and then go back to it
open bluff
so there are multiple things to factor in; more CPM means more rage, which means more banner up time and SB/IP uptime both
cobalt seal
I have been intentionally trying to keep it up, as I feel like I stay alive easi...
try to keep banner up for 5m
in a dps dummy
open bluff
remember tier set gives you IP with SS/TC after avatar or after dumping enough rage
very little reason to hard cast it unless you just have too much
drifting fable
- hit buttons more in general like they are saying. SS whenever its up.
- Use IP only to prevent overcapping rage, revenge otherwise. if you play well you will get tons of IP anyways
- go booming voice until you get better banner uptime. it will help you more than BSC
- hit a dummy to practice the rotation like cro said
urban portal
yeah theres nothing wrong with using BV for a while
stray lichen
ok I will try that, and when you say try keeping banner up for 5 mins on practice dummies, you mean for 5 mins straight right or see how long it stays up in a 5 min time frame
open bluff
trick to 1: everything resets SS more or less, so you should always prioritize it over anything else
mighty valley
it's possible to just keep it up forever
open bluff
if SS is off CD, it shouldn't be
cobalt seal
ok I will try that, and when you say try keeping banner up for 5 mins on practic...
1 banner up for 5m
stray lichen
ok
and what should my CPM be on SS when i have a 6.5 sec cooldown plus procs
or atleast a good number to aim for
cobalt seal
stray lichen
wow 14.5 CPM ive never been that high, the highest Ive ever had I think is 8.5
mighty valley
it sounds like you're probably burning rage on IP you don't need to, which means you don't get to press revenge as much as you could
which ultimately means less SS resets which means less rage gen total
stray lichen
hmm ok Training dummy it is
stray lichen
ok
urban portal
should be maximum 1/3 ratio
cobalt seal
there is no ratio
mighty valley
and sometimes can have banked rage so you can fish for resets with revenge when outburst is up/almost up
hazy edge
If you don't get one and SS isn't back off CD, and you have Avatar about to come up or another Outburst proc, you can use it on TC then
mighty valley
yeah better than an outright wasted proc but you should try and back yourself into those corners rarely
chrome falcon
@stray lichen you seem to be spending too much on IP but also wasting too much
stray lichen
ok I will work on that I am out for now but will be back with im sure more questions tomorrow, thanks for the advice and assistance
chrome falcon
these numbers are bad
you need to just be pressing your buttons more and faster
also you're running
condensed anima sphere over stalwart guardian
minor point but that is wrong
you're also missing ravager casts
31 ravagers in 44 mins
stray lichen
what am I looking at there the wasted parts
chrome falcon
yes
over 10% of all your rage from SS
was wasted
same for all your other spells
stray lichen
ok so it sounds like i need to do lower keys to practice and do the training dummies for a long time, only issue with the training dummies is they dont hit back
chrome falcon
that doesn't matter
hazy edge
That's the point
chrome falcon
your problem is that you're just not fast enough at the rotation
you need to just sit there and practice in a 0 pressure environment
so you know what you should be doing in a real key
chrome falcon
you don't need to worry about actually like
tanking/surviving/your health bar
in your main rotation
you're just trying to play a dps class properly
and using your CDs for big hits
you don't press ignore pain for the effect of ignore pain
ignore pain is terrible
go hit a dummy and don't stop hitting the dummy until you can get a 3 minute long banner
if you can't get a 3 minute long banner, keep practicing until you can
stray lichen
ok i will work on that tomorrow, i will be there all day cause ive never had it last longer than 30 secs
chrome falcon
yeah that's really, really bad
a 15 second banner extension would literally only require you to spend 300 rage which is not hard
also
you keep casting last stand
when you don't have banner up
and the entire purpose of last stand
is to extend banner
so idk why you're casting it when you don't have it
stray lichen
I did not realise that, just thought last stand gave you increased health
chrome falcon
you might want to read what your conduits do then
because it increases your rage generation
by a huge amount
stray lichen
ah which would allow me to spend more rage to keep banner up
chrome falcon
yes
stray lichen
so should I be casting banner before i charge in or after charge
chrome falcon
during/after
robust surge
I usually charge and banner during the charge
chrome falcon
and learn to chain pull
if you have banner running you want to fighting something
always
robust surge
then again I went kyrian this week cause trying to do all the explosives with these pugs, survive fort raging, and keeping up a decent banner rotation was too much
chrome falcon
boo
"keeping up a good banner rotation" isn't really
a thing
good banner rotation is literally just a good rotation
since generating and spending rage is literally all you do on this dumb class anyway
chilly brook
“Good banner rotation”
Literally just press your buttons optimally like you should be doing
Regardless of banner
robust surge
idk I find it hard to do jumping around getting explosives
chilly brook
Explosives is a healer affix
chrome falcon
^ easy to say that
robust surge
it should be
stray lichen
ok guys I have to go for the night but thanks for the advice, I will work on the dummy tomorrow and work on the 3 min banner thing untill i get it
median tulip
Speaking as someone who plays both Protection and 2 Healers, the ability of the healer to deal with explosives is directly proportional to the quality of the tank and the DPS ability to avoid damage
If you do a spicy pull and the DPS aren't dodging, then the explosives become A Problem for you or for the DPS; on the other hand if it's a reasonable pull - or later in the pull when there aren't as many fires to put out - the healer will be able to cope
Also having Explosives paired with Raging is awful cancer for a lot of occasions
Especially if your Hunter is... well, an average hunter player
cinder storm
I've had hunters averaging anywhere from 2-5 kicks on a whole dungeon and maybe 10-15s soothes
open bluff
why soothe when you can BARRAGE
cinder storm
Pew pew
I feel bad for the people trying to time 20s this late in the season, the players trying to do those keys are like the bottom of the barrel
open bluff
i resemble that remark
silk gull
Trying to do pug 20s on alts late season absolutely kills my drive to play new specs. I always try to stop pugging on new alts like halfway through the season
waxen orbit
I just don't understand how someone can enjoy playing a game that they suck at
Toxic? Maybe
But like
After how many keys
Where you make the same mistake every time
And it bricks the key
And people get frustrated
Do you not decide to learn
Or unsub
Like why is ramming your head into that exact same wall the go-to option
median tulip
Usually what happens with people like that is they blame someone else for the failure
I was playing on my Priest in a ToP+15. Hunter wasn't Tranqing enrages. Got to one of those Portal Guardians; it enraged and did its Soulstorm. Ever tried to heal through that?
The Hunter blamed me for not healing
He used no defensives, no interrupts, no tranqs; but it was my fault
silk gull
A lot of people have main character syndrome and have a hard time realizing that they’re not playing good/correctly. A big example is players playing meta specs like destro lock and thinking they’re grey parsing cause they didn’t get pi.
modern brook
thats some weeb shit
silk gull
Sometimes we all just need a good training arc
cinder nova
A lot of people have main character syndrome and have a hard time realizing that...
We had a guy who did this and he was just agonizingly bad. He would forget to go back into boomkin form in SOD after using Soulshape.
But would try to coach the boomies in the top 3 damage.
And somehow he's busy greyparsing under tanks in a 6/11 M guild. I have no idea why they bring him.
It's a hard carry.
I only noticed because I was errantly checking one of his deaths where he said he wasn't standing in the beam on Guardian in SOD and saw he didn't have boomkin aura at like... nearly 100% uptime.
It was floating around 38%
Kill me.
I'm usually top 5
I wish I wasn't.
silk gull
It’s also those same people that will quickly call out mistakes of others
cinder storm
And if you bring something up that person will yell so high that will negate all your reasoning
median tulip
The way to run a raid team is to criticise in private, and praise in public
cinder storm
It's hard to find people with the right mentality "what can I do better?", All of us found/came to this discord because we have that mentality, the rest are just...the rest
median tulip
TBH that's a good rule for most teamwork situations
silk gull
For me, personally, I prefer when people absolutely criticize/question my actions out loud. But most people are not like that 100%
median tulip
Which is why it's generally better to do it privately; publicly calling people out generates a feeling of humiliation which isn't actually helpful to improving someone's gameplay
silk gull
Yeh for sure. No argument there
cinder storm
WoW generates social skills that translates to the workforce and viceversa (that can be said for most team games)
Also, most people who play it are depressed
Or it's just me?
median tulip
I mean, none of us are perfect. I know I frequently screw up
cinder storm
True, I have great BfA memories, all of them had friends involved
All of them quit
cinder nova
The way to run a raid team is to criticise in private, and praise in public
I'm way past that point. At this point I'm looking for DPS that want the spot more than them. Call me a tyrant, but I'm gonna make an example of a couple to straighten out the rest. I'd rather have people who want the spot and fit our aspirations and expectations than people doing bare or below minimum and lack any self-awareness.
I generally dislike playing with individuals with low self-awareness.
They often take critique poorly, especially when it's given in direct, plain language.
I'm just an officer, but I'm the only one getting off my ass to recruit besides our RL.
And people bitch about attendance.
cinder storm
Worst experiences I had as a raider on my mage, was getting chewed after 30-40 wipes were other people kept making dumb mistakes, and by the end of the night I made one or died on the last pulls, a friend told me after that a RL would get more annoyed to those who tend to play better because those are the ones they expect it the least
But on the other hand, wasting 2-3 hours of my time waiting for other people to figure out their keyboards was...boring
Like bruh, I have to work 8 hours and get chewed by some random person when there are like 10 who dont do mechanics at all
Yeah, that was a decent guild, I went from being a new player (not enchanting my rings) even on the first boss H dazar alor, to being top dps/parse
After I worked on myself to get there, and I saw we were not progressing, thats when I decided to look at the others
silk gull
My first “tier” was Nyalotha and I got thrown into M Xanesh with like no enchants or anything cause they needed a fill. Gray parses as hunter. Killed it though. Raided with them 9.0/9.1 they are only like a 4/10 M guild now. I’m in a CE guild now. Crazy how different it is
cinder nova
I'm always perplexed by people not trying to excel, but I get for some people this is a thing to fuck around on and not be sweaty with. I had one DPS commenting sarcastically about my (the tank's) "precious DPS." I had to bite my tongue because I was ready to fire back about not having to be so tryhard if our raid actually puts out damage.
silk gull
The self-hate after a poor performance always hits different.
I’ve gone over my personal logs for hours after bad performances
mortal brook
friendly reminder that everyone that performs better than me is a sweaty elitist tryhard, and everyone below me is a filthy casual
silk gull
That gives me the CoD “anybody that kills you is cheating vibes” and that hit home hard af
cinder nova
It's kinda goofy.
I've been told I'm trolling when I suggested a N-geared PWarr to use Devestator over Punish
open bluff
stop trolling and tell them to use war machine instead
balmy canyon
Anyone got any tips for soloing the first boss of PF (for the slime sepant mount) I am doing 8k dps to him but that just isn't enough to beat his heals
Necrolord prot, 100% banner uptime on that fight
That trap might make the differnce, I'll look into that
cinder nova
He heals a lot, but you should be able to whittle him down.
balmy canyon
276 ilvl, I was running OPC and elegy (its that or sigil) and was still having trouble. Even went so far as to grab the red slime from down below and drug it up for the big haste boost
cinder nova
What is your ST damage? You should be able to do at least 9-10K easily.
Probably more if you have the haste.
You could time shockwave with Ravager and Merc Bonegrinder
Then just meatblend the small ones to stymie the flow
urban portal
Anyone got any tips for soloing the first boss of PF (for the slime sepant mount...
if you have trouble i recommend waiting until next tier
and you can do it on heroic fyi
doesnt have to be mythic
blazing condor
not "too low"
but you ideally want higher
(without sacrificing ilvl = strength)
echo canyon
whit mi pref gear i got around 30% and whit sim(dps wise) i have 21
blazing condor
well you pick whatever gives you the most main stat
our secondaries are close enough to eachother that it doesn't matter that much
but you wanna try and get high ilvl haste pieces
echo canyon
and what is whit rings?
blazing condor
get some high haste ones
echo canyon
dont listen to sims?
zealous willow
Do u guys use all charges istant and do u pop 2 shield blocks too ?
zinc shale
doesnt the cd reduction of The Unstoppable Force talent work properly? O.o
blazing condor
dont listen to sims?
dunno sims well enough to answer tbh, depends on what gear you have to choose between
mighty valley
Do u guys use all charges istant and do u pop 2 shield blocks too ?
no, shield block duration is capped, if you do everything immediately on pull you'll waste uptime
blazing condor
^
mighty valley
plus you want to use the revenge procs from charge/intervene before you do it again
blazing condor
its a good habit to learn to just keep a SB on CD and use when needed instead of spamming all at once
zealous willow
How u waste ur rage, when u dont have execute ? I spam ignore pain is it right ?
mighty valley
yeah, use revenge constantly, plus IP to prevent overcap
zealous willow
Ok thanks
zinc shale
The CD reduction of unstoppable force is ruined by haste it seems?
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mortal brook
We stack str not int, its cool
urban portal
Unstoppable force Pog
zinc shale
get into a group with just the leader of the key, suddenly we're 4 melees (including the healer), then suddenly 5 melees
fuck this im out
I dont want to witness a hpally run for explosives
Anyone got a WA for a simple banner total uptime timer?
lavish oracle
Ranged never do explosives anyways
Come to think of, neither do melees really
Just me and the healer handling them 90% of the time
zealous willow
So i use intervene and after that charge to get 2x sheld block from legendary bonus , but i waste my free revage! , is it bad ?
blazing condor
dont waste free revenge
you use intervene to fill in the gaps of your shield block uptime
you can charge into a pack and then play normally using up your SB charges, then you intervene when SB is on CD and by the time that shield block has wore off you got the SB ability back again
zealous willow
but when i use charge
cus intervene gives me free charge range too
i can intervene mele too , but i mostly used it to charge back 😄
seems like wrong y
blazing condor
use intervene on close people
charge is best used to fill in gaps if intervene is on CD or to gain rage if you don't have anything to press/not much rage
but you should look to weave in charges wherever possible
if a boss has slight downtime then working in a charge is only good
zealous willow
ok thanks bro for the info 🙂
foggy fractal
Not tried this before but can you still swap weapons in raid combat?
Was thinking about running jailer mace for buff then switching to tank weps
sweet summit
you can't swap jailer mace
blazing condor
too much fun detected
verbal hill
what % banner uptime do you folks get in M+?
lofty widget
100%,but anything above 80 is good
verbal hill
you get 100% for real?
lofty widget
Depends on the dungeon but usually y
verbal hill
I got 80% last dung and i was stressing out the whole time
lofty widget
Yeah thats good
verbal hill
thanks bro
grave jacinth
Would someone be able to tell me what went wrong in this 12 PF? I know I fucked up a ton and was doing some real dumb shit but I'm not sure exactly where I need to make improvements. Any pointers are greatly appreciated.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/kanBqAPMzvVCpKtY
sick sentinel
hard for me to say for sure cuz im bad as well, but low casts per minute
more slam, more revenge, more IP during peak rage before you cap rage (during banner with LS)
32 casts of WW, literal take it off your bars, worse in every imaginable way to revenge
sick sentinel
@chrome falcon yogi 2.0 everywhere
chrome falcon
You only cast 4 Last Stands even though you’re running the last stand conduit
You need to cast last stand on cooldown (during banner)
Go hit a target dummy for like 30 minutes
Until you can keep up a banner for 2 minutes without dropping it
Also yeah
Why the fuck are you pressing whirlwind
It does less damage than revenge, costs more rage, and doesn’t proc SS
It’s a flavour button you’re not meant to press it
sick sentinel
me personally i've had enough, i got the mount i wanted and there is a bunch of dungeons from previous tiers that i have no idea how they work.
dawn canyon
me personally i've had enough, i got the mount i wanted and there is a bunch of ...
ok cool but not what we're talking about
sick sentinel
"but just shift + J yogi!" -> "wow thats alot of words, too bad im not reading em"
chrome falcon
You need to get those fingers working literally twice as fast
grave jacinth
Good to know! Will do some target dummy practice. 😅
chrome falcon
Yeah that’s the most important thing
sick sentinel
thats thats gunna happen if i continue playing wow into season 4, i don't know the new dungeons and im not that good as it is, so its clearly not meant to be
dawn canyon
dummies are op
grave jacinth
I know this is a stupid question but are we supposed to have 100% uptime on SB?
chrome falcon
Go hit a dummy until you can keep up a banner all the way until it comes off CD
No
Not possible
Just get as close as you can
grave jacinth
Fair
chrome falcon
You want 80% blocked hits minimum
grave jacinth
And what about IP?
dawn canyon
IP is just rage dump
chrome falcon
IP is a terrible spell that you literally just use to spend excess rage
grave jacinth
Cool that's what I wanted to know.
chrome falcon
Rage goes on SB and revenge
dawn canyon
dawn canyon
there u go matt
dawn canyon
thats what the log says
chrome falcon
I feel like I’d get 28% blocked hits without pressing shield block
Yeah so uh when I said you don’t get 100% shield block uptime
Just to be clear
grave jacinth
TIL I'm like the worst Prot Warrior in existence? 😝
chrome falcon
You are supposed to get as close as you can
sick sentinel
I feel like I’d get 28% blocked hits without pressing shield block
if you had 28% worth of mastery and your shield pointed at enemies 100% of time, sure why not
dawn canyon
TIL I'm like the worst Prot Warrior in existence? 😝
no that'd be me
dont worry about it tho everyone starts at some point
lofty widget
You dont grt Block chance from mastery
chrome falcon
I mean yeah but normally when we flame people in here they come back better so
dawn canyon
and im fairly certain you can improve this a lot easily
chrome falcon
Yeah this is very easy stuff to fix
But trust me your first job before you do literally anything else
Is a 2 min banner
Do not step back into a key until you’ve done that
grave jacinth
Cool. I'll start working on that now.
chrome falcon
Remember last stand
dawn canyon
last stand is cheating
sick sentinel
i can literal see it on tooltip
open bluff
You dont grt Block chance from mastery
dawn canyon
and we want to cheat
lofty widget
Ok sry, you dont grt the bulk of your Block chance from mastery
sick sentinel
also 6.9%.... nice
dawn canyon
fallow osprey
you're looking at the wrong column
but his blocked hits are 38% so the feedback is still valid
dawn canyon
which column should i be looking at
fallow osprey
the Hits column instead of the Amount column
dawn canyon
i c ic
fallow osprey
the former shows what you're expecting, but the latter shows % of damage preventing through blocking
and is usually lower
fallow osprey
Cool. I'll start working on that now.
55% of the damage you took for doctor ickus was from slime injection which you can spell reflect, btw
elfin surge
How do you guys handle aggro in 20+ keys
toxic pewter
Big dam
They increased threat for tanks in 9.2.5 you shouldn’t have any threat issues
Throw ravager and press buttons
elfin surge
doing that, but having a lock shammie and dh rip aggro from me and my aoe taunt on cd single taunt on cd continually
im spamming banners revenge ss
chrome falcon
How do you guys handle aggro in 20+ keys
ionic fern
What
Those are SUCH low casts.
And 20% banner up-time.
Duuuuuude.
You are not pressing your buttons
At all.
toxic pewter
Yah you gotta get those numbers up
chrome falcon
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/DRhTW9HMFbq16tnV/#fight=last&type=auras
why are you still pressing whirlwind???
and you're still spending way too many outbursts on TC
you're just pressing your buttons
way too slowly
you need to go practice on a dummy
until you're not missing globals anymore
strong forum
where logs
mellow bridge
sure
2 aegis casts
thought i might need it without soothe and full pug but i guess not
lofty widget
pretty good
strong forum
ya aegis is pretty niche at this point for pwar
lofty widget
5 % wasted rage tho 😦
mellow bridge
but in keys like top ows just drops constantly 😔
sweet summit
scars
mellow bridge
i dont even have opc
sweet summit
strong forum
mustve had a godtier maze for basically 100% banner
dawn canyon
You had to turn view dstance up for better wall pulls or how was that supposed to go
strong forum
petclass
dawn canyon
Ive been starting to do it with earth ele
And want to figure out if i can do it with the dps ele too
Like move it through wall zap the Mobs and move it back
strong forum
any kind of pet you can move with attacking a target can do it
strong forum
there are certain spots where you can pull with attacks like chiburst, or just 40y range aswell
walls arent a real thing in wow
cobalt seal
onyx vessel
onyx vessel
cinder storm
if its a low key, fire mage will have lots of weird moments of where to use cds
onyx vessel
was a 13
dawn canyon
ye fire suffers from low keys
but like
10k you should get for busting st and hard casting fs on trash
devout heron
273 mage 4pc vs 252 shaman 2pc
which dungeon is it
onyx vessel
which dungeon is it
mists
devout heron
Ah i see
on cleave tier piece doesnt contribute anyway
at same ilvl without piece enha would fuck out a fire mage on a mists
sadly i cant play dungeons outside of mists on my enha shaman, cant be top dps
vestal moat
Hi, hoping for any feedback on my logs.
Biggest thing is block..I'm at 54.5%, awful but dont know what I'm missing there. Feel like i sb on cd plus charge and intervene. Also I know casts are low any tips at all would be so helpful.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/WJrnhjHVTtDpMvfZ#fight=last
blazing condor
you had 75% blocked hits on that Halls
btw
nothing that sticks out as terrible, just work on everything tbh
less rage wasted, higher block uptime, more casts, banner uptime etc
fallow osprey
Hi, hoping for any feedback on my logs.
Biggest thing is block..I'm at 54.5%, a...
is there something specific you feel is lacking? besides block, which is at 75% like dog said
cinder storm
If anything, the route is the main issue, you go to left halkias, then, instead of going down to the halkias that is already close and clear those adds, you fight the mid pat with the houndmaster and the gargon, you usually would skip that. You did one pack for % only, and it has no purpose route wise
You could've done another pack that leads to something in the future, like clearing the adds in front of the stair to pull the stoneborn, or clear the adds in front of the halkias on the leftmost side
But you went left, right, then left again
Also, for that key level, start getting used to pulling 2 stoneborns with the boss and adds, unless its sanguine and you want to play it safe with pugs
vestal moat
Sorry I think I'm reading blocked hits wronng or something.
vestal moat
ohhhh
i was looking at melee only
Still can do better appreciate the routing advice though sucks to learn at the end of the season though feel like i should just learn tazavesh at this point lol
potent anvil
There isn't much variation to tazavesh. Streets is either left or right after first boss.
Gambit is 55 before first boss however you slice it.
primal mauve
Hey guys, Im wanting to do some experimenting for prot any other leggos viable other than reprisal for m+? what would be a close second?
lofty widget
there is no close second
potent anvil
Seismic for damage. But that's about it.
primal mauve
sad
scenic mural
just play reprisal whats the issue
median tulip
Sadly we've had at best one competitive legendary all SL
vestal moat
There isn't much variation to tazavesh. Streets is either left or right after fi...
Aren’t there some variations now with wo and doing the market trading asap. I still don’t have that part down. Also are people dragging the thrasher at the top of the stairs down to the cats underneath ? Wipes on that pull this week I know it’s raging explosive but people are mad you do it one way or another way it seems. Hard to tank. Have to have a thick skin.
robust surge
that very first pack of 3 before you enter the building in Streets has no right being so scary
potent anvil
Aren’t there some variations now with wo and doing the market trading asap. I st...
Basically the variations are getting wo for vendors, but the pulls themselves are basically the same. Either left or right paths are similar. You can chain pull or pull bigger. In pugs I just take the miniboss along with the pack with relics while waiting for boss rp for the menagerie.
Just depends how you do it. Right path allows aoe classes to pump in streets.
I would do thrasher with the two core hounds tbh. But either way works.
Some pugs dont care about wo for vendors. I remember someone telling me that it's just as fast as carrying someone on a two seater. Just depends who you send with Wo, while the rest continue to do trash.
cinder storm
that very first pack of 3 before you enter the building in Streets has no right ...
That's why you lust it on fort weeks
Right path is also safer after 22s-23s
unreal sinew
ive been lvling prot (52 atm) and tbh having a ton of fun
1 thing im curious is about Rage generation
is there a big difference between being 60 (with all the things!) and lvling?
cobalt seal
yes
sweet summit
there is a massive difference between leveling and once you get to use two legendaries and tier set
unreal sinew
noice good to know ty
is each milestone (i.e 1 legendary vs 2 vs 2pc vs 4pc etc) a huge step up?
sweet summit
1 legendary (reprisal) is quite big
2nd legendary is not as big
2pc is not huge
4pc is relatively big
all together insane
unreal sinew
haha awesome
something to look forward to! ty
muted nexus
sweet summit
ye
median tulip
Some pugs dont care about wo for vendors. I remember someone telling me that it'...
In pugs I would never attempt to do wo for the market
patent osprey
I always wo for market so I can do it myself :)
robust surge
weird
why does Urh work on spear of bastion but not like any other covenant abilities
toxic pewter
Pretty sure it does unless I’m misunderstanding
scenic mural
it does
urban portal
Probably can’t notice because you get an extra cast of spear almost immediately
But not the other ones
toxic pewter
Yeah the cooldowns speed up dramatically if you watch it
distant crystal
ya urh works on all cov abilities afaik
foggy hearth
hopefully not a dumb question. hit 60 and have run upper reached 3 times now to try and get reprisal, am i missing a step?
figured it out please disregard 🙂
mortal brook
free the runecarver's hand then run again
warm plinth
toxic pewter
lmao
cinder nova
what the fuck am I looking at
cinder nova
I mean, you can definitely do both.
But to that level of conviction that you will never play it
then do
Yeah that's clownshoes
But plenty of reason to be the greatest critic of something and still be one of its greatest advocates.
covert nova
Man it feels weird to not using Devastator. IDK if its cause im just used to bear and spamming swipe or if I just need more haste
cinder nova
Man it feels weird to not using Devastator. IDK if its cause im just used to be...
Why aren't you using the best talent in that row again?
covert nova
Im using the icy veins guide that doesnt use war machine or punish.
urban portal
Yeah you are supposed to use devastate
Destator
And yes sometimes you will have empty globals especially without set
covert nova
Sorry I mean not using devastate, like not spamming in between things