if that was a thing
#protection
urban portal
chrome falcon
it would be the most absolutely broken thing they'd ever put in the game
prot would do more effective healing than healers
urban portal
makes AMZ look like its for clowns
drifting juniper
well its under prot changes so i tought they made it into one
chrome falcon
it would be better devo on no cooldown
chrome falcon
not really the same as legion
if fury execute is still a generator
but still very nice with prepxecute
drifting juniper
we have no idea on how much damage spells do atm
urban portal
we kind of do
chrome falcon
so the rate at which you can get stacks is massively diminished
urban portal
and as a builder
chrome falcon
compared to legion where you just stacked on stacks
chrome falcon
no it wouldn't
molten holly
Big aoe and massive block?
chrome falcon
not unless they literally made it do 10x more damage than legion
BIG AOE?
did you play legion sir
molten holly
I did
molten holly
and it was very comparable vs some of the tanks in legion
urban portal
so you can execute till 80 also
yes but the juggernaut isnt going to carry
drifting juniper
prot paladin one was very good
urban portal
into the real execute phase
chrome falcon
this is massive fake news
nelth's fury was easily the worst tank ability
it did negative damage
urban portal
juggernaut is absurdly bait unless its basically free talent as it stands
molten holly
Juggernaut would only be viable if condemn was base lined
urban portal
its good in tyrannical 57 eye of azshara
urban portal
Juggernaut would only be viable if condemn was base lined
how would condemn affect juggernaut at all
the first 20% ends in like a minute
and then juggernaut drops
median tulip
yes but they making condmens into a talent
Still going to be pretty difficult to bridge that 80% to 35% gap. It'll be more viable in dungeon with differential HP and priority targets though
urban portal
juggernaut needs to last longer is my only ask
sweet summit
juggernaut is toxic gameplay and if fury execute stays a builder it's gonna be even worse
chrome falcon
if nelth's fury came back as a spender
that did fucking
M O N D O damage
then we're talking
pallid quiver
I really don't want Nelth's Fury back, not gonna lie
drifting juniper
that buffed excute
pallid quiver
I'd only accept it if it was fucking blisteringly busted in damage
drifting juniper
nelth fury was nothing compared to druid or paladin abilities
i don't remember dh
median tulip
I mean, it would make sense if Neltharion's Fury came back for a dragon-themed expansion
So don't discount it
urban portal
that buffed excute
you are thinking fatality
fatality is whatever
it just gives you a huge hit
thatll be pretty funny on the meters
and you cross your finger it crits
otherwise doesnt affect your rotation
mighty valley
there's also a mace/polearm spec
mighty valley
just not sure why they're going back to weapon specific talents, didn't work out the first time
chrome falcon
seismic reverb being on class tree is weird
it's terrible for both dps specs
and basically a meme pick for us
sweet summit
i think
chrome falcon
i mean 2 weapon specs is definitely a lot less bad than four
sweet summit
it's used for arms
median tulip
there's also a mace/polearm spec
I think those are actually for Arms
mighty valley
well yeah, this one says 2h, i was comparing to the sword/axe one
chrome falcon
idk i like the idea that you have 2 similar weapons and the difference between which you use is dictated by the encounter
buuuuuuuuut
drifting juniper
the way people are spamming whirlwind with arms these days in mythic +
chrome falcon
could just be toxic?
urban portal
yeah arms has a mace one
drifting juniper
if that build exists
pallid quiver
I like the flavor of weapon spec talents, but they're honestly slightly boring, ngl
drifting juniper
semsisc is not bad on them
sweet summit
it depends on how they handle weapons
pallid quiver
Generally, one of them just eclipses the others
sweet summit
but if they do what they've done last two patches now
urban portal
especially if it doesnt compete w signet
sweet summit
it's horribly toxic
pallid quiver
And I don't have complete faith in how they're gonna handle weapons
drifting juniper
sesimic with current arms build seems op
chrome falcon
weapon specs sucked in classic because of the effort you had to go to to change talent
chrome falcon
and the huge disparity in how strong they were
urban portal
btw this isnt even that op if they zero out all aura buffs
chrome falcon
both of those are very fixable
sweet summit
i don't think weapon tokens are returning though
yeah sure but
you can just
swap talents
very easily now
compared to back then
urban portal
think the mace is rly fking bad
mighty valley
yeah that's what matt's saying
median tulip
The Mace one specifically references Collosus Smash; so I think that it and the sword axe one are Arms-exclusive; no stacking the effects with Juggernaut
urban portal
mace also only works for arms
mighty valley
yeah we're deep off topic on some arms shit
urban portal
The Mace one specifically references Collosus Smash; so I think that it *and* th...
frenzied flurry sounds like fury to me
mighty valley
and arms is for chumps
chrome falcon
so it would make sense for htem to be the specialists who swap weapons
median tulip
If one of them is specifically for Arms, both are
chrome falcon
the real cringe will be if you have to take a specific specialisation to get other talents
but surely not
right
drifting juniper
do we have 10% leech baseline btw?
urban portal
think so
mighty valley
the idea of weapons having different playstyles is cool from a theme perspective, just doesn't always line up with the loot system
urban portal
basically baseline i guess
drifting juniper
well its one handed weapone mastery
sweet summit
but yes
median tulip
frenzied flurry sounds like fury to me
Hmmmm... that's interesting. I was looking at Sharpened Blades
drifting juniper
i think its pretty much go to
urban portal
sharpened blades is a lot worse
chrome falcon
10% leech is
urban portal
which is probably the balanced version
chrome falcon
a lot of fucking leech
median tulip
Yes, the Frenzied Flurry one is OP AF
drifting juniper
i enjoyed that throw the most
so good to finally be able to pull like paladin on warrior
chrome falcon
that's
urban portal
again like i said, frenzied flurry is not op if they zero out fury auras
chrome falcon
maybe going a bit far
drifting juniper
throw something at a group and have full aggro on em
chrome falcon
since after that throw you're just going to charge
urban portal
it will be op at its current stat
chrome falcon
and start doing your aoe rotation anyway
mighty valley
paladin does their big damage move that also silences the fuckers
drifting juniper
its good damage with higher aggro on aoe
mighty valley
we're just getting thrown a bone
drifting juniper
not talking about divine toll
talking about avenger shield
thats basically a bone too but i miss it on my other tanks
median tulip
I prefer charging
median tulip
Make Charge empower your next Thunderclap for bonus threat and I'd be happy
sweet summit
fuck threat
chrome falcon
threat is really not hard to begin with
pallid quiver
Challenging Shout
chrome falcon
chall
pallid quiver
Both are going to 2m, I thought I saw
sweet summit
yep
chrome falcon
no idea why blizz thought we needed that but i'll take it
wtf is bolster being 10 seconds btw
that has to be super wrong
mighty valley
threat was only scary at the very start of the expac and with with insane 4p2l classes until the threat buff this patch
pallid quiver
LS is at 2m baseline, so
sweet summit
it going from 3-2 base
had to change bolster cdr
but i don't think 10 sec is final number
could just be 30 sec
pallid quiver
i think they should have kept the bolster cdr 🙂
chrome falcon
i mean sure but changing it from 33% cdr to like less than 10% sound super wrong
chilly brook
still a shit CD
chilly brook
without bolster/unnerving
chrome falcon
if
chilly brook
Uhhh we should care
sweet summit
unnerving being a (hopefully) guaranteed pickup
pallid quiver
Unnerving was in there somewhere, I thought I saw, so there's that at least
chilly brook
it should be decent before being a talent point
like it's actually useless as a defensive without a talent point
chrome falcon
the unnerving should really be baked in yeah
chilly brook
that's bad
pallid quiver
I feel like it'll be a choice between Bolster and Unnerving, tho
sweet summit
no shot
chrome falcon
good lord if that's true
sweet summit
i will email blizzard
chilly brook
I feel like it'll be a choice between Bolster and Unnerving, tho
I wouldn't actually be mad about that
mighty valley
tons of shit is going to be underwhelming pre-talents
sweet summit
as of now, i would hate that
chilly brook
you go more defensive or you take the less defensive option with more dam
median tulip
I did see that they've partially reverted the SHadowlands nerf to Unstoppable Force
sweet summit
you're basically forced into bolster
for SB uptime
since nothing else gives you that
so i'd hate that
yeah i like the UF change
an expansion too late, but we take it
chrome falcon
median tulip
I mean, it's now half of what it used to be, instead of a third
put it back to 100%, cowards
chilly brook
for SB uptime
I'm also operating under the assumption that they potentially might actually help us out baseline
sweet summit
we also don't have the azerite powers for it
and revenge actially does damage now
so BFA is not a guaranteed comeback
calm down haters
sweet summit
I'm also operating under the assumption that they potentially might actually hel...
i would certainly hope so
shut summit
mighty valley
i'm going to take a shot every time someone says "baseline" from now on, see you in the ER
chrome falcon
see you in hell more like
sweet summit
chilly brook
2 expansions of needing something to bandaid our AM
here's to hoping there's not a 3rd
sweet summit
2?
chrome falcon
i mean SB uptime in legion was also like
you dropped it a lot you had basically no way to extendo
chilly brook
Legion your AM was mostly IP lol
chrome falcon
yeah
sweet summit
how did you extend it in legion?
chilly brook
like don't get me wrong you needed to block
cobalt seal
2 expansions of needing something to bandaid our AM
Hi vdh would like a word
chilly brook
but you blocked specific abilities
cobalt seal
We dont have bandaids
chrome falcon
and if you were going to take a really big blockable hit without SB
chrome falcon
you would nelth it
chilly brook
^
pallid quiver
only reason to press that button
chilly brook
like Legion warrior functioned very differently
chrome falcon
otherwise you just ripped 3 health bars worth of IP
current IP doesn't even deserve the name compared to legion IP
chrome falcon
if we're not allowed good block uptime yeah
chilly brook
does IP have to be that strong?
not if we have something else that's stronk
mighty valley
obviously doesn't have to be right now
median tulip
Bolster CD nerf hurts
mighty valley
but yeah. it's really hard to understand the total context
but of course we will all pretend we can
chilly brook
or if they flood us with rage to dump into IP
modern brook
Ip in its current form clashes with sb
modern brook
How many times do we have to tell ppl to stop iping
pallid quiver
I'll have you know that I excel in turbo shitting
sweet summit
i think having a discussion like this is fine
pallid quiver
I can destroy a toilet in 1 minute tops
chrome falcon
sir i have crohns you cannot challenge my turbo shitter title
modern brook
It either needs to replace sb entirely (dumb)or be more impactful as a button
I still say make it passive
sweet summit
if it was in #997237573514690620 
mighty valley
even on smaller things, the number of people who were doomer about our 9.2 tier set and then were later like "this is the most fun i've had with prot warrior. just like i expected"
modern brook
Only dorks are in the right channel el
median tulip
*if it was in <#997237573514690620>* <:medge:869468644743200829>
But nobody talks in that channel
mighty valley
wtf when did those channels appear
chrome falcon
to be fair harrow
pallid quiver
At some point today
chrome falcon
until basically launch
that tier set was atrocious
and it's still riddled with minor bugs
just lucky that most of the bugs make it stronger instead of weaker
mighty valley
eh it was patched relatively quickly, and a lot of people were still like "it doesn't do much"
people didn't really get the total rage engine that was gonna kick in with context
median tulip
"riddled with minor bugs" is an accurate assessment of most of WoW TBQH
mighty valley
which is fair because it's v hard to predict stuff but also like. don't speak with absolute confidence about complex future shit lmao
median tulip
more like riddled with miner bots
🤣
pallid quiver
I can say with absolute confidence that we'll all be back here complaining about Warrior for some reason or other when DF goes live
mighty valley
i'm too old to angst
mighty valley
ended up enjoying prot in legion, in bfa, in SL
sweet summit
we will still complain
mighty valley
why doom now
sweet summit
cinder storm
I mean, that's the reason for having a discord
mighty valley
no the reason to have a discord has been for people to ask which covenant to pick and which legendaries are good
and to ask how much vers they need to tank a +7
cinder storm
There's r/competitivewow where ppl still recommend codex
toxic pewter
Gentlemen, let’s take ALL df discussion to the appropriate channel. Thank you.
mighty valley
trying to come up with relevant SL discussion
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
do you think they'll buff thunderlord's legendary
fuck that's nothing
sweet summit
There's r/competitivewow where ppl still recommend codex
reddit is not kind to protection warriors according to nome
median tulip
Reddit sucks
sweet summit
love feelycraft
mighty valley
i just don't feel safe without vers
cobalt seal
Okay bye
toxic pewter
See ya
cobalt seal
Troll is here
median tulip
What something feels like has its place; I don't care how good BDK is supposed to be this season, I loathe the spec and its entire feel
sweet summit
toxic pewter
What something feels like has its place; I don't care how good BDK is supposed t...
Same
median tulip
Once you're actually playing something though, then Numbers Matter
mighty valley
feelycraft is the act of claiming you know something is objectively a strong choice and when asked for evidence you produce jack shit
toxic pewter
cobalt seal
Like apb saying codex is good
mighty valley
i thought you were leaving
toxic pewter
I don’t say it’s good
toxic pewter
They think it’s good I don’t use it
sick sentinel
feely craft is you create a theory based on feels
drifting fable
thanks yogi
toxic pewter
i thought you were leaving
I thought so too
sick sentinel
so, its a bad thing, generally speaking id say
pallid quiver
My feelycraft is that Warrior is good because I liked the idea of playing the Warrior I've played for years
and then i look at orange name people to tell me how to do it good
theorycrafters never get enough love for the good they bring
undone verge
what are they doing for the leggos in 9.2.7
toxic pewter
Guys I just asked a question in #997237573514690620 please respond. Thx
weary lodge
Is there such a thing as too much haste?
urban portal
to be fair sims would tell you to go crit a lot of times
cobalt seal
So?
weary lodge
50% with OWS, into the fray and so'leah's lol
cobalt seal
Did you sim yourself already
Why do people focus so much on
What % is needed or too much
Just sim
weary lodge
lol i mean, have sims ever been terribly accurate at representing value to a tank? I just thought 50% seemed pretty crazy high for a tank in a raid
grave crane
stats are also not gonna be the reason you die, like proper gameplay will take you further and learning your defensives and how and when to use is better than asking bout stats. but i have 53% with into the fray in raid
weary lodge
We put in quite a lot of work to make sure they are
To be fair, it's saying OPC and OWS is the winning combo, which doesn't seem wrong for pure DPS, it just kind of seems like a silly trinket choice as an offtank in raids
hazy edge
wym that's an insane combo
grave crane
you get high uptime for OWS
hazy edge
ows gives a ton of good haste, and opc is really good dam
grave crane
you def dont need defensive trinkets for raid
hazy edge
You also take less damage if things die faster
onyx vessel
Was dying in seconds anyways
onyx vessel
Played my monk for 3hrs then hopped on the warrior
weary lodge
legit loved running scale + aegis in m+
cobalt seal
legit loved running scale + aegis in m+
Because of lack of pressing buttons?
weary lodge
Because of lack of pressing buttons?
I know double on-use is a lot, but the CD doesn't line up anyway. Felt like right there was always a defensive to press for big pulls
median tulip
halls definitely has the most trash
There's just so much scenery trash in there
I suppose there are lots of scenery trash right at the start and around the end
and at least 10 tentacles
yeah
There's a lot of Gorm in mists
TBH I never really bothered; just kill extra trash after the 3rd boss until you get the complete
muted nexus
anyone got a decent wa pack for prot warr?
afenar is decent but i feel like it's too cluttery
i find myself squinting at certain stuff B(
odd tree
DoS seems like it should have more, but I guess most of ardenweald is low count mobs
And then you full clear the other wings in most keys
primal rain
did intervene use to have a minimum range?
blazing condor
Boomer intervene
jagged pier
👴
onyx vessel
Spam inervene on the survival huntard
blazing condor
Hunfunctionally varied*
sick sentinel
halls definitely has the most trash
halls and pf 2 of worst dungeons ever
i dont like it for the most part
blazing condor
Phial of eye of the storm kinda pogging
blazing condor
Damn
median tulip
Halls I hate simply because of Fortified Bolstering weeks when those Wicked Bolts and Curse of Obliterations fucking sting
Must.Be.Nice
Plaguefall is disgusting for the same reason that most of Maldraxxus is; I was bored of Eastern Plaguelands 17 years ago, and none of the various remixes of it has ever improved my opinion
But you know, there's an obligatory poison/plague/DoTs dungeon in every expansion
and it wouldn't be wow if bliz weren't rehashing 15-year-old ideas for "new" content
cobalt seal
halls and pf 2 of worst dungeons ever
2 of the most interesting dungeons of SL
and you dont like them
sounds about right
blazing condor
Theyre p ass
crude estuary
Anyone give me a run down in m+ for prot tanking? Does warrior still suffer from magic damage massively? I'm low ilvl but managed to time a 15 at 251 ilvl with my guild kek. Always keep shield block up and ignore pain right?
jagged pier
i mean
dawn canyon
but yes try block as many hits as possible
jagged pier
no tanks like magic damage
dawn canyon
ip to dump rage
jagged pier
and with all the extra reg and IP we have
dawn canyon
keep banner up
jagged pier
we just eat it anyway
also 251 isnt undergeared for a 15 as ppl were doing 20s with that ilvl at the start of the season
👍
ionic fern
Jeah, currently Magic damage is not that big of a deal...we have so much rage to go around when playing properly that Indom healing and IP absorbs are mitigation a lot of it. Use DS/SR are both really low CD and SW gets reduced by a ton as well.
crude estuary
Yeah yeah truuue but I'm not an exceptional player on warrior. I main tanked mythic nyalotha but didn't do any m+ on it haha. Coming from 3.3k rio hunter and fancied bring my warrior back to life, cheers guys so necro is way to go? I was playing kyrian kek
But yeah any tips would be massive. Thank you all 🥰
ionic fern
Necrolord is currently the best option. It does require you to play the spec correctly tho to maximise the banner up-time.
crude estuary
Cool, I'm willing to learn :D
I do like the necrolord
Omg hahah that auto typo
Hahahah no one saw that right....
ionic fern
Kyrian/NF are both still fine as well but you should gravitate towards learning NL in the longer run.
crude estuary
Cheers. One last thing, must have WA's specifically for prot?
ionic fern
WA's are personal preference..i do enjoy the Outburst Seeing Red stack trackers linked in the pin here for our tier set.
sick sentinel
also 251 isnt undergeared for a 15 as ppl were doing 20s with that ilvl at the s...
probably correct, 250 ilvl is about time you should have 60+ reknown and 4 set, dual leggos, at that point its skill issue
jagged pier
no 252 was literally the ilvl i started the season with without double leggo and 4 pc and was going 15-18s perfectly fine
topaz field
ye i started 18s on 252 no set
so obviously your gear is good enough
but at this part of the season it is low ilvl and ppl might not invite u
sick sentinel
always the unkown factor of pugs
literal 5th affix, un-identified too
i've always enjoyed playing games with strangers and randoms
topaz field
well tbf i would very likely also not invite a person with 252 unless i know he is a really good performer
cobalt seal
always the unkown factor of pugs
Pretty sure those people also had pugs
Not the 25% banner uptime type
But pugs
(Inc he says he is blocking me)
sick sentinel
cro 🤡 💬 ➡️ 🛡️ 🪣 yogi
sick sentinel
i blocked him, before today or last night
distant crystal
minor helm
sonic crag
I'm still struggling with banner uptime. Been on a training dummy a while this morning. Is there a way to log myself on training dummy and post it here for help?
lofty widget
enable advanced combat logging in the network settings, then /combatlog to start logging and /combatlog again when youre done
then upload it with the wcl tool
cobalt seal
Log is a mess
urban portal
Ngl if I’m blind but banner isn’t in your buffs
lofty widget
i think you should log 5-10 minutes minimum to get an accurate picture
cobalt seal
Also
urban portal
5 minutes is usually enough
cobalt seal
You missing way to many casts
urban portal
And compare to your sim
cobalt seal
Like 20 casts per minute
cobalt seal
1m banner is nothing
urban portal
Upload a 5m
cobalt seal
You have to at least 5m
urban portal
So your banner can actually risk dropping
lofty widget
well it's not 100 % uptime if it dropped after 1 minute
cobalt seal
Your banner stopped at 1m?
sonic crag
yes
cobalt seal
Go again
sonic crag
so at best like 50% uptime?
cobalt seal
Til you get 5m banner
sonic crag
So anytime im low rage?
drifting fable
pretty much on CD
lofty widget
on cd, as long as you dont overcap
sonic crag
okay. im gonna go again
About 27 seconds into I get into a Revenge spam and am praying to SS procs to keep my rage up
drifting fable
you need to cast LS immediately
or as soon as you have banner goong
you waited until 35 sec in
urban portal
Macro banner to ls
drifting fable
could serve to cast avatar a little sooner as well
just dont overwrite an outburst with it
undone verge
Glad banner is going away it’s the year of the spear baby
drifting fable
theres still a chance it will come back. nothing known until we see the full tree
cobalt seal
Glad banner is going away it’s the year of the spear baby
Why
Banner is so good
You can tell good pwar from meh ones
On spot
undone verge
theres still a chance it will come back. nothing known until we see the full tre...
Idk banner kinda lives and dies with tier set and leggo it might be harder to bring back. I’ve tried it on characters without 2 set and it’s just underwhelming
dawn canyon
still a cool spell
undone verge
still a cool spell
No doubt
urban portal
banner baseline is kind of dogshit
cobalt seal
Tank only tank no dmg kind of player?
undone verge
Tank only tank no dmg kind of player?
Nah, but I like a rotation based more on defensive abilities and less one where your defensive comes passively from sheer rage generation.
sweet summit
banner would be horrible without outburst and reprisal+glory rage economy
cobalt seal
Something would have to follow it to DF ofc
sweet summit
yea but then you're playing the exact same spec for another expansion
is that really what we want
drifting fable
nah id rather have a new playstyle for sure
cobalt seal
yea but then you're playing the exact same spec for another expansion
If the spec plays good
Why not
hazy edge
I’d be okay with a version of the tier set transferring over
Maybe banner+glory
Def not reprisal
hazy edge
All I want is some that allows for near 100% SB uptime, or enough mini-CDs/DRs to tide us through the times we don’t have SB up
cobalt seal
but how much can you add to it, before it becomes too much
Tier sets are there for it
urban portal
i dont want shield block to always be up
cobalt seal
To change stuff from time to time
urban portal
but i do want a better bolster
undone verge
I mean the current meta requires reprisal, banner, tier set, and banner leggo, so they’d have to make it in a way where pretty much all of that transfers over, and sure it’s possible but it would take away from the new builds they’re making
urban portal
so we have spells to cover downtimes
sweet summit
i would be down to nerf block and make it have higher uptime
if higher uptime is "hard" to achieve
urban portal
I mean the current meta requires reprisal, banner, tier set, and banner leggo, s...
technically dont need reprisal
its the weakest part of the whole engine
urban portal
if we replaced reprisal with wall the engine would function exactly the same
not exactly but like 2 rage/second difference
sweet summit
To change stuff from time to time
yeah i get that, what i meant was if you keep outburst and banner+glory with reprisal rage economy, what can you add to the spec with DF before it becomes button/buff bloat/too strong etc
hazy edge
I agree
undone verge
Yeah cause I don’t see them bringing outburst back in the new talent system, and without outburst I don’t think banner is playable. I’ve run banner without outburst and it is not fun and not good
Granted I didn’t have super high haste, but the damage just isn’t there
Change of topic
What cov do you think is gonna be bis on soulrender?
sweet summit
necrolord
undone verge
Cause I pumped some major dam with kyrian on that fight
sweet summit
surely you just play seismic for damage
if adds die too fast i can see kyrian being good for the burst damage i guess
but overall i can't see you swapping off necrolord for the remainder of shadowlands
undone verge
Yeah more thinking heroic cause I prob won’t be doing mythic with my guild
I guess in mythic the tether can be nice from kyrian
sweet summit
depends on how they tune the raid and what comp you have
undone verge
Yeah
undone verge
I am pretty excited to run necro prot on some of these fights
Like necro prot on guardian and sludgefist
undone verge
Outburst ss doubled dmg phase=big damage
cobalt seal
Wouldnt kyr work better there
lofty widget
downtime is just the stomp, but you can be greedy
dawn canyon
Forced downtime innit
cobalt seal
Break chains
lofty widget
lose revenge proc 
cobalt seal
undone verge
Who needs the other tank? Just block
dawn canyon
Fwiw Andy one tanked sludge on ppal in pieces nathria speedrun
lofty widget
isnt it just reskinned skolex?
undone verge
Basically
undone verge
Skolex is the pretender
On a side note skolex sucks, tanking is the only fun role on that fight
dawn canyon
I used to be terrified dpsing it since i didnt wanna kill someone
New player feelings innit
undone verge
Or the person trying to kill their friend but they don’t have movement speed abilities so they chasing them around the entire room
sick sentinel
Skolex is the pretender
the one time i did that fight in LFR as tank, i died to the 1 shot because other tank didn't taunt is what im told
scenic mural
Just reflect it
sick sentinel
that requires i know its something i can reflect and its something thats about to hit me cuz other tank isn't doing his job
coral marsh
Anyone here with alpha access?
sweet summit
sense does
sick sentinel
not me
coral marsh
do we know if the alchemy trinket stays alchemist only and gets good itemlevel?
sweet summit
🙏
sweet summit
do we know if the alchemy trinket stays alchemist only and gets good itemlevel?
they're bind on pickup atm
coral marsh
ye but afaik you can trade that with workorders
sick sentinel
never been alch dont care to be
coral marsh
was the alchemist trinket mythic itemlevel at the end of shadow? haven't played in a while
sweet summit
i would assume it's an alchemy only thing, kinda like the alchemy profession combat bonus 
nah it maxes out at 262, which is just +15 item level
crafted items have generally been quite stinky this xpac
cobalt seal
Its never goes to mythic lvl
lofty widget
that could change tho, with them wnating professions to be a end-game gearing option
cobalt seal
But we dont know how its gonna work in df
sweet summit
you kinda just use ring/neck early for free socket and good stats
cobalt seal
it was mythic itemlevel in bfa
No it wasnt
cobalt seal
I dont think it was max mythic
lofty widget
iirc it was like 10 ilvl below
coral marsh
it was
cobalt seal
Close but not max
sweet summit
not last two mythic ofc
i am pretty sure i remember 475 engi goggles/alch stone
maybe i am gaslighting myself
lofty widget
yeah but the max was 485
coral marsh
ye the dream comb
lofty widget
or im totally wrong
undone verge
the one time i did that fight in LFR as tank, i died to the 1 shot because other...
I was running with another prot warrior on skolex and accidentally killed then charge weaving and they got super upset refused to take the res and when I confronted them they told me to talk to them when I started parsing.
???????
lofty widget
that 97 😦
undone verge
I know right
cobalt seal
The convo is dobe
undone verge
Lords of dread is my nightmare
undone verge
Bro like I do parses for fun cause I enjoy seeing how good I am, but this dude takes them as a level of skill
undone verge
Early on maybe but this late into the tier parses don’t mean jack
cobalt seal
RN its a meme
coral marsh
do we know if double flask duration stays in dragonflight for phials?
cobalt seal
How to parse as pwar
median timber
do we know if double flask duration stays in dragonflight for phials?
yes
sweet summit
do we know if double flask duration stays in dragonflight for phials?
with alch stone
ye
median timber
it stays
sweet summit
xd
cobalt seal
Tell raid to stop dps during execute
coral marsh
alch stone is just 60 sec extra per proc afaik
undone verge
Lmao basically
median timber
the tooltip on the phial/flask one is wrong
sweet summit
just says 60 sec atm right?
sweet summit
ya
median timber
but one shouldnt say 60 secs
undone verge
The funniest thing too is I had a 95 on jailer for the longest time since the raid I killed it with killed it really fast and smooth so I missed out on a ton of execute phase. But the 99 came with my guild who isn’t so clean with it and we had a long execute phase
Lords of dread just always sucks for me cause we always get one to many among us phases and my damage drops off
chilly brook
but one shouldnt say 60 secs
Are you sure about that?
It’s a ppm trinket
So the proc is just adding a minute to your flask fam
minor helm
Also this should be in df channels so 🤷♂️
chilly brook
Where it should be 30 or 60 mins
All the phials say 30 minutes
But again
Based off the text of the proc….I sincerely doubt that this is a typo
chilly brook
both say 60 sec
Written in two completely different ways btw
One is a clear just set and forget empowerment to potions when used and nothing else
median timber
again tho they should really be talked about in #997237512252706847
chilly brook
The other is a proc that gives primary stat and a short duration increase on your current phial
Didn’t realize we were interrupting a discussion that totally is taking place about live….
Y’all policing the channel more than yellow names
minor helm
Nom told it to someone earlier
Gonna get enforced at some point
And we have the channels now
chilly brook
Well thankfully the only person I’m worried about to take it way more seriously than it should be isn’t around atm
dawn canyon
channel police
median timber
posting here was a mistake
chilly brook
Wut
chilly brook
My guy
Literally look two sentences down from the post
Why would we be talking about bfa alchemist trinkets and flasks
median timber
the one in the reply
DF
median timber
theres no need to be an ass about answering his question
sick sentinel
because, we don't currently have access to 350 gear, so it clearly can't be on live
and we have up to and above 350 gear in bfa
i don't play alch, so i don't know them by heart
chilly brook
theres no need to be an ass about answering his question
The question is about a picture that is surrounded by DF references
median timber
you still dont need to be an ass
cobalt seal
Why would we be talking about bfa alchemist trinkets and flasks
Its yogi lol
chilly brook
Its yogi lol
Hey man be nice
sick sentinel
mods said call truce, i cannot dm you and have you on block
dawn canyon
cobalt seal
Hey man be nice
You Gave a way nicer answer
modern brook
Y’all policing the channel more than yellow names
If I don't police the channel who will
sweet summit
ty bull
wild hemlock
been awfully testy around these parts
skyhold backyard wrestling when
we can ppv it
and raise funds for the yellow names to be warrior devs
chilly brook
skyhold backyard wrestling when
only if it's naked and with baby oil
jagged pier
wild hemlock
pay per view for mods to become devs
cobalt seal
minor helm
waxen orbit
Mwahi for dev when
zinc shale
Anyone using a good WA like afnar/luxthros, a complete one but not shit like those?
dawn canyon
if you look up nomeratur on wago youll find his setup
zinc shale
None of the ones up on wago are good, afnars the closest to good imo >.<
sweet summit
nomeratur's is amazing
dawn canyon
i personally prefer nomes over afenar
zinc shale
hmm checking
sweet summit
dawn canyon
no harm in making ur own tho
zinc shale
I know, but im not good at it 😄
sweet summit
if you have the time, patience and basic knowledge, i would recommend making your own yeah
but lol
zinc shale
yep i thought about it
carmine pine
I'm a big supporter of people making their own weakauras. Cater it to what works for you
median tulip
The best way to learn how to make your own is to download someone and look at them and figure out how they work
zinc shale
crap, no castbar
sick sentinel
The best way to learn how to make your own is to download someone and look at th...
the best i could ever do in coding was i made a man drinking a beer in a few frames like a gif in basic for dos
im no coder, should be, but i cant do that shit some reason
toxic gyro
For most wa you don’t any coding skills
dawn canyon
and if you get confused ask in #ui-addons-manager and we'll try our best to help
zinc shale
278 cloak with crit/mastery vs 272 haste/vers? :p
mighty valley
how high is your haste?
zinc shale
31%
zinc shale
xD
drifting fable
take the 278 for the strength
minor helm
sweet summit
steel mist
Murlocs are Sw0ll bec of interbreeding
Did the dragons interbreeded with everything in the isle
sweet summit
?
minor helm
sick sentinel
how else would they breathe fire?
toxic pewter
Gentlemen- please keep ALL Dragonflight discussion to the appropriate channel. #997237573514690620 #997237512252706847
This channel is for shadowlands and current content ONLY
spiral warren
Apb tell me about haste
toxic pewter
Apb tell me about haste
It’s a poorly designed stat that is losing it’s importance as time goes on. That’s for sure.
It has one more patch tops
minor helm
Source?
toxic pewter
People waking up they’re tired mentally and more importantly, physically
spiral warren
:I’m the source
toxic pewter
Just look at the horizon
minor helm
Horizon of what?
spiral warren
Of dn
toxic pewter
We don’t talk about that here
If you want we can switch to the appropriate upcoming content channel and discuss haste
spiral warren
I’m awaiting its arrival
toxic pewter
Is that right?
spiral warren
toxic gyro
Haste used to our 2nd best friend since I can remember, right after ilvl
minor helm
I’ve only seen boomers not like haste
toxic pewter
However I will go more in depth in my essay
toxic pewter
I’ve only seen boomers not like haste
What’s a boomer
toxic gyro
How is it lazy ?
minor helm
Old
toxic gyro
lofty widget
dont engage with apb if you value your sanity tbh
toxic pewter
How is it lazy ?
It’s lazy design
It’s effectively a band aid
For poor ability design
toxic gyro
How about vers ?
minor helm
And how is the ability design poor
lofty widget
toxic pewter
Verse is also lazy- however there seems to be some sort of strange addiction occurring when it comes to haste. Just look when I simply say “remove haste” just witness what occurs. Meanwhile one says to remove vers, some will agree, many will just be like lol ok
I call it the “speed addiction” in my essay
It’s very awkward and off putting
toxic gyro
Going full crit mastery when i come back
toxic pewter
Effectively dealing with addicts addicted to speed, in an online format
It’s difficult but I will work to better this for all of us
toxic gyro
I would aim for some leech but that’s prob a lazy stat too
toxic pewter
Yes it is but it is effectively capped and metered
For now at least
Soon leech will be like haste and we won’t even need healers
It’s already in that Path
For all I know
toxic gyro
Any full versatile prots out there with 15%+ leech from bfa?
Keep df discussion in appropriate channel 😈
minor helm
lofty widget
those were good days
minor helm
toxic gyro
I used to dps in raid and tank for my group and I dropped mythic shield with socket and leech and guildie asked if he could have it lol…
distant crystal
My guildmaster looted the boe shield w/ r2 twilight dev on our first mythic night
he sold that shit asap
toxic gyro
Nice. I can’t complain I got gettiku sword with is3 just can’t remember if it was first one or 2nd one. First one I got was few weeks into to patch.
distant crystal
I had a giga getti in season 3
max forged from weekly box, i think it was 450 then?
but i was only rolling fury lootspec to for trinkets lol
toxic gyro
By the time they introduced corruption vendor my guild was almost killing nzoth so I didn’t even bother swapping to arms nor getting more sockets for fury. All the sockets went on prot gear and corruptions for it.
undone verge
those were good days
Hot take, I liked bfa
sick sentinel
i kind of miss how mythic + gear showed the level of the dungeon that the item dropped from,
bfa was good
undone verge
Yeah the systems were shit but all the content we got was good. At least that I did
sick sentinel
im biased on this cuz i quit for 2.5 expansion before coming back to bfa blind
undone verge
I’m also a little biased cause of that
toxic gyro
I liked corruptions with vendor for the most part.
undone verge
But like imo bfa gets the hate train cause legion was basically bfa but with way more content and a better story
lofty widget
i liked bfa too...
sick sentinel
new warrior changes look exciting
all kind of shit to execute with
no more ITF AM HR rep crapola
undone verge
Like BFAs story was complete garbage along with its systems, but at least I didn’t get completely burnt on its endgame content like SL
Like I loved Nyalotha and bfa m+
All the SL dungeons and raids feel so boring to me
Especially with the theme of the afterlife we coulda had some rad raid bosses and instances
toxic pewter
All the SL dungeons and raids feel so boring to me
Yah you’re not alone. Shadowlands dungeons will generally go down as some of the worst ever made
sick sentinel
the wall and unbreakable looks fun for mythic dungeons
undone verge
Yah you’re not alone. Shadowlands dungeons will generally go down as some of the...
Honestly
undone verge
the wall and unbreakable looks fun for mythic dungeons
Oooo we get the wall?
toxic pewter
Yah the wall coming back
lofty widget
it's in the tree according to the datamining
toxic pewter
Shoot guys
undone verge
I wonder if there’s gonna be a really dumb SW uptime build
toxic pewter
Let’s shift over to Dragonflight channel
mighty valley
no sl dungeon was anywhere near as bad as SotS to me
"worst in the game" seems like a wild stretch
sweet summit
sots was amazing in season 4
mighty valley
did you ever play original wailing caverns? lol lmao
toxic pewter
Bfa dungeons were miles better than shadowlands even
They were actually fun and looked forward to running them
Not these hollow soulless dungeons we got
undone verge
I’d run SoTS over a few SL dungeons
mighty valley
haaaated it
undone verge
Not to say SotS isnt complete garbage
mighty valley
i don't dread any SL dungeons
idk, hate is overblown to me
playing m+ is fun
i had good memories of legion dungeons but honestly they didn't hold up great in timewalking
toxic pewter
Shadowlands is a husk of an expansion and their dungeons are more soulless than any other dungeons I’ve played.
distant crystal
the .5 patches in BFA were all mint
mighty valley
lots of really unclear mechanics, bad visibility, too many boring frontals
distant crystal
the .0 patches were mostly awful
m+ legion is rose colored glasses
first taste of the the best new content type they've added ever
mighty valley
day 1 megadungeon hard mode is some of the best one-shot content in the game to me
shame it really is a once-per-expac experience
and not a great use of resources
going through kara2 blind was super fun
dawn canyon
undone verge
dawn canyon
Eye hurts man
undone verge
Eye hurts man
How he gonna hit those 3s ya know