protection

[dawn canyon]

I have a little + in the middle of the screen so i dont really need to see my guy

[sick sentinel]

SD fort raging makes me raging and can itself SD

[dawn canyon]

SD is miserable as melee if the tank cant aim

[wild hemlock]

or stack stabbys

[sick sentinel]

fort raging is a lesson in humility

[dawn canyon]

Explosive is a lesson of selflessness

[sick sentinel]

good for reflects, but by god does it hurt unmitigated

[wild hemlock]

how the fuck do i not face plant as a blood dk starting packs....

260 and i fucking hate starting packs as bdk

[dawn canyon]

Parry it all

Rune tap does help however

If you have pooled rp

[wild hemlock]

i got bodied in like 2 secs doing the big pull at the start of spire lmao

[wintry nymph]

rune weapon + getting 1 hit of marrowrend

[sick sentinel]

i always fuck up the first pull of SD and final hallway before the human room before final on fort weeks

[wintry nymph]

is pretty helpful

[dawn canyon]

Deaths caress far Mobs and sit on a near one to get shield and rp

[sick sentinel]

i find that final hallway SD fort to be hell

[wintry nymph]

does kaal before the actual bossfight (in the hallway) scale with tyran of forti?

[scenic mural]

You should be able to start with a CD on lretty much all packs

[sick sentinel]

i read about it at one point and there is some weird scaling going on with her or something

its, the one thats in the hallways is the same one you fight out there, or its the same HP starting as when you force it to transition to next trash pack

the whole thing is painful, only respite is if whoever is doing the anti bomb has a brain (was me wasn't happening) and the jar

[sweet summit]

neither

[wintry nymph]

oh static hp?

[sick sentinel]

its something i never think about though because you just damage her enough and she moves on to next group

[scenic mural]

Yeah in low keys

[sick sentinel]

still, you only have to get her to what is it 70 or 60% hp and then she moves and re-heals each time

[drifting fable]

its every 10%, she doesnt heal

[sick sentinel]

im sure for high keys there is tons of options that whatever spell does 8% more damage to targets above 80% hp

[scenic mural]

Yeah but not being able to press a button when her energy reaches 100 is troll

[wild hemlock]

i wish condemn was good after we got this execute taste

[sick sentinel]

i think condemn should stay

even if for dps warrior spec

[sweet summit]

🙅

[toxic pewter]

Honestly I think all shadowlands abilities should just go

[sweet summit]

🙅

[toxic pewter]

all of it

It’s like shadowlands never happened

It is better this way

[dawn canyon]

L

Wait this is a good time

[toxic pewter]

Good time for what

It’s always a good time

[dawn canyon]

[toxic pewter]

What the hell is that

[dawn canyon]

Frog with popcorn

Sweating

[toxic pewter]

[chrome falcon]

[dawn canyon]

He's new here

Be nice to him

[sick sentinel]

we can always come back to the shadowlands, and then,~~ vecna and the mindflayer~~, i mean, nzoth and the jailer actually won when we ejected from oribos and come too

world gone to hell

[dawn canyon]

We know the next expansion

Why theorize

[toxic pewter]

Who the fuck is coming back to the shadowlands

[dawn canyon]

Me

[sweet summit]

11.0, phil

smh

[dawn canyon]

I need mounts still

[toxic pewter]

I’m never returning

[dawn canyon]

Oh right DF never happened

Neither did sl

Nothing past MoP is cannon

[sweet summit]

back to fighting illidan

demon hunters get deleted

[dawn canyon]

On top of the Black temple

Time to get that bulwark

I hope a mainhand drops today

[sweet summit]

does not exist

huh?

[dawn canyon]

Friend of mine converted their tbc glods to retail and made like 1.5 mil

[strong forum]

Not terrible

[sweet summit]

what's the rate nowadays?

[dawn canyon]

Granted idk how much tbc gold they started with

[sweet summit]

1:150?

[toxic pewter]

[dawn canyon]

I can go ask if you care for it

[sweet summit]

nah not really

[jagged pier]

[toxic pewter]

Hmmmm something feels off

Doesn’t feel like an alpha day

🤔

[dawn canyon]

What did your Uncle say

[toxic pewter]

We aren’t speaking anymore he was feeding me poor information

[drifting fable]

thought it was your cousin

[toxic pewter]

Yes cousin

People kept saying uncle so I just go with it

[sweet summit]

🙂

[strong forum]

4th cousin twice removed

[wild hemlock]

im gonna dump out my remaning hopium

jakey gimme that fat ding if it drops

see you all tomorrow morning

[grave crane]

last week was what rogue tree? maybe mage tree next or paladins?

[dawn canyon]

Rogue and hunt

[waxen orbit]

Whatever it is, we’re last

[shut summit]

❌

[dawn canyon]

https://twitter.com/maximum/status/1547607474248658946?t=C1fU8kEkSNKapPzPmbswMg&s=19

Does he know something we dont

[carmine pine]

i swear to fuck if reprisal is on the prot tree...

let it die

[sick sentinel]

if i can take reprisal with HR and AM or bolster im in heaven

[dawn canyon]

Your heaven is our hell

[toxic pewter]

Why you want reprisal

[dawn canyon]

Drop reprisal

[dawn canyon]

He doesnt properly use it so it's not annoying to him yet

[toxic pewter]

Lol

[carmine pine]

lol

[sick sentinel]

true, but i mean, remove reprisal

half baked idea at best

[toxic pewter]

Reprisal is unironically a patch job they made in 9.0.5

[sick sentinel]

i don't know wtf i want is reality

i just want warrior (if we're speaking about warrior)

[toxic pewter]

Embargo lifts in 10 min boys

[tame jasper]

"word on the streets is that in 10mins they will lift NDA and flag accounts for alpha"

[carmine pine]

im ready to be disappointed

[sick sentinel]

super copium

[toxic pewter]

[tame jasper]

that's what Max said a few mins ago, not my words

[sweet summit]

for sure

lets go

hope you're right

[sick sentinel]

my uncle from russia just told me that he got a usa wow account DF alpha beta and he says he got it from his chinese hacker friend thats living in india

[ocean yoke]

people like taliesin have stuff premiering in 5 mins definitely some kind of drop

[sweet summit]

pausechamping irl rn

[sick sentinel]

i dunno why people so obessesed about alpha

[sweet summit]

new content good

old content bad

[dawn canyon]

Yo what if that's apbs brother

[sick sentinel]

yeah and you take pie out of oven too many times and it doesn't cook right, u have to look to make sure its not burnt yeah

apb was the guy that told me about it

[ocean yoke]

fuckin hate when that happens with my pies

[dawn canyon]

Max says alpha in 2

[sick sentinel]

alpha tuesday

im guessin

if not, same time line as s4, week around that

[dawn canyon]

Wowhead apparently had alpha access per max

So we get shit too

Soon

[minor helm]

[dawn canyon]

The towelie video is mentioning the flying shit

Ah

#news

[sweet summit]

evoker

[grave crane]

more like borevoker

[dawn canyon]

Ok so ion Interview apparently

[grave crane]

also reprisal is probably gonna be on the tree since every single new talent tree has at least one or two leggos

[sick sentinel]

give devastation evoker devastate attack

problem solved

[urban portal]

reprisal on arms tree

[grave crane]

as long as Am is on warrior tree fuck it

[sweet summit]

🤨

[sick sentinel]

reprisal for dps, would be fun maybe

[sweet summit]

no

[grave crane]

intervene and charge grant a use of execute? no too much damage

[sweet summit]

uh

actually idk

[grave crane]

a use of overpower with tactician?

kinda dog shit

[sick sentinel]

i enjoyed using the meathook trinket even though its bad damage, feels like something warrior would try to do in combat, wrap enemy in chains

[minor helm]

Yeah I’m not intervening miss me with that

[grave crane]

if it gives you an execute proc youll do it

[minor helm]

Incorrect in its current state

[carmine pine]

Intervene your tank @minor helm

[minor helm]

Put me back on ryg

Which means no yailer cage

[sick sentinel]

are we talking about the any time one for free?

[minor helm]

[sick sentinel]

im for that

[carmine pine]

Yailer cage till all our bench has the kill

[grave crane]

not really theres no real reason to put reprisal on the base tree let alone the arms one

[sick sentinel]

there is huge warrior fantasy about he fearlessly charges and stabs/kills enemy 1 hit, or leaps on to it for similiar effect

[grave crane]

yeah warbringer or whatever the pvp talent is that makes your charge deal more damage. not reprisal and it wouldnt give execute, it would give overpower most likely

[median tulip]

Seismic on the class tree

[sweet summit]

that'd be neat if revenge still fucks

[urban portal]

can you summon those 1 hp critters in m+

with toys

something something todads

toads

[dawn canyon]

Ye rextroy toads

[urban portal]

can you summon the toads in m+

and make a 2t encounter 3t

so you can get seismic

[median tulip]

If you could, I bet they would nerf it

I know you can't use the Critter hand cannon in M+ though

[toxic pewter]

No tree today

[strong forum]

Oh yeah?

[chilly brook]

Alpha launched today

So

We kinda do get tree today

[strong forum]

Just not in bluepost Form

[chilly brook]

^

[toxic pewter]

Is it in there

[chilly brook]

Evoker looks sick man

[chilly brook]

I don’t see why it wouldn’t be

[strong forum]

I ain't looking at anything

But tree

[toxic pewter]

I’m waiting for sloot to dl it

[urban portal]

the blue post says no

[cobalt seal]

Wait in silence

[urban portal]

whoel tweet

[toxic pewter]

BULLSHIT

Bullshit I SAY

[urban portal]

your cousin keeps giving you bad info

[toxic pewter]

I don’t talk to her no more

She wronged me for the last time

[chilly brook]

That actually worries me more than anything

[toxic pewter]

Granted I said it would be after season 4

[chilly brook]

Like

Xpac is like less than 5 months away

And we’re doing a phased alpha

[jagged pier]

phased alpha

and have to fit a beta in

:yeppers:

[chilly brook]

[jagged pier]

[dawn canyon]

[strong forum]

DF doomed

Pack it up boys

[wild hemlock]

so no tree

[muted nexus]

who got a sweaty raiderio page to look at gearing

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-14359850

[wild hemlock]

what in the actual

[muted nexus]

trying to see where i can improve

[wild hemlock]

im going to scream. i just want to see one class that i play talents

[chilly brook]

Equip highest ilvl

Profit

[strong forum]

Mine is achievable natty

0 raid gear

Only vault

[jagged pier]

well if u can data mine, lots of spells in the data

[muted nexus]

link hoss

💋

[chilly brook]

Fr tho

[strong forum]

Literally my name

[muted nexus]

oh lmao

kk

[chilly brook]

Equip ilvl, press buttons

Profit

[strong forum]

Ignore my sockets, they're for pure pump

[chilly brook]

Focusing any harder on gear besides ilvl and prioritizing haste at same ilvl is just monkey brain

[muted nexus]

@strong forum whats ur haste% at

[chilly brook]

Hey at least the Evoker talents are available on wowhead now

[strong forum]

Like 35%?

[chilly brook]

https://tenor.com/view/bye-slide-baby-later-peace-out-gif-12999722

[strong forum]

37% with soleah on haste

[muted nexus]

oo

i'm at 30% mast from gear

i got good rolls on terts for a couple vaults 😐

[cobalt seal]

Are you ignoring everything people are telling you?

Or just this dense

[sick sentinel]

i think i'll give mage a go in 9.3/s4

[cobalt seal]

Like the gear nome uses doesnt matter

[steady karma]

The new Warrior talent tree is not available on the Alpha, however I've found a ton of new spells which are likely to be talents in some capacity. Keep in mind, none of this is final and we'll have to see how they come together in a tree to really understand how it will all work.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vSdWFVtBzzpA0zapZvmkNDXHAmKdtMCGrv016FUai1W0KsgMpGXH5xwu8T79GEqgtQzgTb9-ZFIJJ5G/pub

Standout highlights include Merc Bonegrinder, Exploit the Weakness, Juggernaut, Dauntless Duelist, Cold Steel Hot Blood, Focus in Chaos (no miss autos), and Overwhelming Rage (+30 max rage). Also some Prot stuff, idk

[drifting fable]

👀👀👀

[grave crane]

yo execute getting the venthyr treatment?

Frenzied flurry?

[sick sentinel]

TW/UW made it in apparently im happy for those

[muted nexus]

ty for info helped some q's i had

[strong forum]

No reprisal, 10% leech, wall + unbreakable will, unnerving comes back, LS 2min CD

Seismic makes a return

[drifting fable]

nerfed for prot tho

and arms apparantly

[strong forum]

It's the same as current seismic

[sick sentinel]

Ignore Pain cooldown from 12s -> 1 sec

[drifting fable]

oh gotcha

so buffed for fury, other way around

[sick sentinel]

Challenging Shout cooldown from 4 -> 2m i like

[grave crane]

aoe heroic throw

[tender imp]

no reprisal as i see

thank god

[drifting fable]

yea titanic throw looks interesting

[sick sentinel]

if its feasible im gunna try running df uw

[grave crane]

didnt see AM on there though

[drifting fable]

devastate gone?

[strong forum]

It's datamine

Not final

Devastator is annihilator

Look at prot

Just renamed

Oh you mean devastate

[drifting fable]

yea

[strong forum]

Ya idk maybe we have both?

[drifting fable]

annihilator exists which means devestator got changed for some reason

[ocean yoke]

theres another leech one in there so you could have 14% lol

that would be wild

[strong forum]

Yep

I just didn't mention it specifically

Also we get condensed anima sphere too

4.5% heal every 10sec

[sick sentinel]

different name

[jagged pier]

well this is all cool, but i want to see how its laid out

what can i not get

[sick sentinel]

but this is data mined and they show shit on these videos and it always says "name not final"

[jagged pier]

and what can i get

[tender imp]

did none of the cov abilities make it?

[jagged pier]

doesnt look like it

[blazing condor]

Pog condemn

[grave crane]

not yet but tbh its just datamined

[sick sentinel]

may not be a full list

[strong forum]

It's datamine

[grave crane]

execute is basically physical condemn now

[strong forum]

Not full tree

I put my money on banner/spear

And on am making a return

[drifting fable]

didnt see AM on their either so

yea

[grave crane]

arms gonna have a nutty execute phase if furios flurry goes live

[strong forum]

Good

[jagged pier]

good

[strong forum]

Give us our niche

[grave crane]

Frenzied flurry

yeah no complaints

[strong forum]

Execute is literally our thing

[jagged pier]

be sad to loose vanguard

[strong forum]

Numbers aren't final

Maybe it's supposed to be a 100

Instead of a 10%

[jagged pier]

yer thats my presumption but not point speculating till get to see the tree

[strong forum]

Ya

[jagged pier]

maybe values of mobs have change 🤷

[strong forum]

Infinite room for possibilities

[grave crane]

excited to see it whenever it comes thats for sure

[wild hemlock]

honestly speculated tree looks alright

pretty happy and were not even there yet

[grave crane]

brutal vitality needs to extend ip or allow it overcap if they want that to be worth it

[jagged pier]

we dont know if there is a cap next expansion

we dont even know if we can take the talent

🤷

[strong forum]

That talent is on warrior tree

So we shall see

[jagged pier]

doesnt mean we will take it tho

[grave crane]

also theres something like gain 20% armor from base tree which is a solid increase. then a strength gain of 10% of your armor value potentially which could also be good

[jagged pier]

i mean as nome said numbers arent final

if u go by numbers ppl gunna be bladestorming forever

👍

[grave crane]

yeah obviously im just pointing out it seems they are making warrior as a class more tanky which i think is good

[lavish oracle]

talenting a second charge of shield block is kinda wack but I guess it's so other specs can take it too if they want for some reason

[jagged pier]

well there could be a fight where theres no melees now

so u have a different talent lay out

thats better for unblockable damage or somthing

[drifting fable]

oh i do see devastate mentioned on Strategist

so perhaps back as a spell we actually have to use

[lavish oracle]

I mean, it'll probably be filler, like always

which I don't mind

love to hit a button

I wonder if berserker shout removes fear from the whole party?

That'd be cool

[jagged pier]

Annihilator: Your auto attacks deal an additional (22.1% of Attack power) Physical damage and have a 20% chance to reset the remaining cooldown on Shield Slam.

[lavish oracle]

like tremor

[lavish oracle]

Doesn't replace devastate per the text

it might in practice

[drifting fable]

^

true

[jagged pier]

just saying if devastate can also reset cooldown of SS its gunna be dumb having both

[drifting fable]

good point

[lavish oracle]

I wouldn't mind it

[jagged pier]

you'll probably eat SS procs with devastate in the spell queue

[drifting fable]

well

[lavish oracle]

I hate when we're just sitting there waiting for SS procs

doesn't happen super often but still happens occasionally

[jagged pier]

thats when u charge or intervene for a revenge proc

to get a SS proc

[lavish oracle]

I have had a few situations where legit everything was on CD and I was on 0 rage watching my banner tick down

usually only lasts a second or two but it feels like forever

[carmine pine]

no reprisal so no need to charge or intervene

[drifting fable]

charge rage got buffed so it will still probably good to weave some

[mighty valley]

this is all just datamined added spells, right? so no indications really of which current spells make it to the tree

[drifting fable]

you are correct

but nice to at least see it

condemn

[blazing nimbus]

don't think charge rage got buffed, just charge rank 2 levelling perk got baked into the baseline spell

[drifting fable]

but execute instead?

[drifting fable]

oh youre right im dumb. just warped by reprisal lol

[chilly brook]

Tbh I don’t care about last stand going from 3m-2m it’s still the worst fucking defensive in the game

[toxic pewter]

so it seems we will be using devastate again? not sure annihilator replaces devastate

[drifting fable]

its nice because UF is back too

[wild hemlock]

the new ele spells though.......

LETS GO

i would talk in there but this discord is infinitely times cooler

[signal plover]

pika spotted?

[ocean yoke]

not seeing ashen jugg at least for prot so far so it wont pump quite as hard

[patent osprey]

[chilly brook]

Ashen is nice

[signal plover]

gasp

[chilly brook]

But it’s not some huge dps gain

[ocean yoke]

yeah itll still do good damage just not quite as much without all the crit

[patent osprey]

Gotta love a world where it is optional to have 2 charges of shield block XD

Very Optional

[cinder storm]

I'll miss banner

[deft vortex]

like

why

[signal plover]

meaningful choice

[viral flume]

Protection - If Whirlwind or Revenge hits 3 or more enemies, it hits them 1 additional time for 75% damage. I like

[signal plover]

tbf that's prolly very high up in the tree

[patent osprey]

thats probably the first talent

Lol

really lazy xD

[drifting fable]

yeah seismic coming back im happy about

[viral flume]

And unnerving

[signal plover]

signet and seismic being baked in

[patent osprey]

WTB Thunderclap roots targets for 0.5-1 second

🙂

[chilly brook]

https://tenor.com/view/toy-story-woody-about-time-happy-excited-gif-15811226

[cinder storm]

Gimme the thorgast thunderclap

[drifting fable]

thank god

[signal plover]

also potentially a 2nd charge for wall

[drifting fable]

now dps will maybe silence

[chilly brook]

Also sheeeesh

[sweet summit]

#fury

smh

[urban portal]

#arms

#not-prot

[sweet summit]

or that

lol

[chilly brook]

Nah fam didn’t you know we get TG as prot now

[patent osprey]

WTB Execute can now be used 35% and below for Prot 🙂

[drifting fable]

let us 2 hand a shield

[patent osprey]

These are the talents I want

[drifting fable]

smh

[viral flume]

2h + shield lets go

That'd actually be awesome ngl

[sweet summit]

where are our shield block talents

[ionic fern]

Gone.

[signal plover]

didn't you see

[ionic fern]

❤️

[sweet summit]

:/

[deft vortex]

Well hopefully Bolster is in an optimal Talent spot this time around

[signal plover]

there's one that increases SB charges to...2

whoa

[ionic fern]

I atleast hope they are gone.

[chrome falcon]

it looks bad lads

[signal plover]

lol

[ionic fern]

Nope.

Looks good.

[viral flume]

Doomer

[signal plover]

looks promising

no idea how these are organized

[chrome falcon]

seismic reverb

sleeper

[runic sparrow]

where gladiator stance 😠

[chrome falcon]

brutal vit, sleeper

[chilly brook]

Can we just rework last stand?

[deft vortex]

doesnt looks like we are getting any cool new things coming back

[chilly brook]

Please?

[signal plover]

in the trash where it belongs

[chilly brook]

Like fr

[ionic fern]

I mean..that's not ALL of the talents.

[viral flume]

What'd you expect after seeing literally every talent tree that's been released tho, of course we are getting these powers back.

[chilly brook]

I shouldn’t need to talent into something to make last stand even remotely useful

[runic sparrow]

#1 wrong opinion

[chrome falcon]

yeah but brutal vit is absolute dogshit

[signal plover]

glad stance was trash

[chrome falcon]

looks like we might be getting a bunch of leech though

[jagged pier]

Saying stuff looks bad when we dont even know how its laid out what the base spells are or if thats all the trees

[chilly brook]

You’re wrong

[chrome falcon]

which is super cool

[chilly brook]

Last stand is shit

[jagged pier]

Class specific ones looking a little light to me

[chilly brook]

Always has been

[signal plover]

doesn't matter, it's gone kekek

[chilly brook]

Only ever been good in recent times because of external effects being attached to it

I.e. bolster in BFA and unnerving focus now

[drifting fable]

theres no way this is everything for sure

[chrome falcon]

looks like shockwave might actually do real damage though

[patent osprey]

@jagged pier fix our talents plz. Use your connections 🙂

[chrome falcon]

if it scales 40% AP instead of 8%

that's cool

[signal plover]

well guys, it's a surprise, but it looks like im gonna be playing prot warr in DF

[viral flume]

I like the idea of warrior getting condensed Anima sphere conduit

[chrome falcon]

"Last Stand's cooldown is reduced by 1 min10 sec,"

[chilly brook]

TLDR I’d like to see my defensive actually be a defensive without having to add an extra talent point for it to do something useful

[chrome falcon]

holy what?

LS only getting 10 second CDR?

maybe it's going to have a giga short CD? that would be sick

[shut summit]

woah same, weird

[chrome falcon]

GOOD LORD WAIT NO

[chilly brook]

It’s a 2 minute CD

[chrome falcon]

NOT RE-BUFF UNSTOPPABLE FORCE

ANYTHING BUT CLAPLORD

[meager quail]

https://www.wowhead.com/beta/spell=384073/unbreakable-will

[ionic fern]

Guys, guys...if Sense is playing Prot warrior it's all fine. Class is fine.

[jagged pier]

I will once i see them laid out and i dont like the choice im given

[chilly brook]

Bring it back

[ionic fern]

[meager quail]

AoE should wall?!!

[signal plover]

literally all i needed to hear

[chrome falcon]

sense would play this class if it didn't have a single damage spell

[jagged pier]

Yer thats the only thing i dont understand

[chilly brook]

It’s already a legendary

Surprise, it’s not good

[jagged pier]

Unbreakable will is doggo

[chilly brook]

[jagged pier]

And needs to go

[signal plover]

it's doggo as a leggo

[meager quail]

Oh, says a lot about SL leggos that I didn’t know that

[signal plover]

as a talent #shrug

[mighty valley]

unbreakable will is decent as an optional talent, awful as a legendary

[chilly brook]

Depending on where it is

[median tulip]

So... I don't see Reprisal in the list

[ionic fern]

Maybe it's a free talent point somewhere on top.

[chilly brook]

It might be ok

[patent osprey]

Plz take away Reprisal 🙂

[signal plover]

hence the shrug

[jagged pier]

Its not there

[patent osprey]

Reprisal is dogwater

[ionic fern]

We have to wait until we get the full tree to really know what's going on.

[hollow sun]

Where is the leaper talent

[chilly brook]

But I don’t see myself going out of the way to get it

[ionic fern]

Go away,.

[bold nimbus]

reprisal

[signal plover]

MWahi stop making sense goddamn it

[chilly brook]

Reprisal is dogwater though tbh

[jagged pier]

Just run with an envoker dor like a 20sec cd leap

[chilly brook]

It’s a great bandaid

[ionic fern]

I love Reprisal.-

[chilly brook]

But it really shouldn’t need to exist in the first place

[patent osprey]

Reprisal is an awful playstyle and makes us so dependent on it

optionless @_@

[ionic fern]

Never.

[chilly brook]

I wouldn’t say awful

[chrome falcon]

well from the few things we've seen i see 3 lame legendaries making it onto the tree

[chilly brook]

You should be charge weaving anyways

[chrome falcon]

which is

[ionic fern]

I literally like Reprisal gameplay. 😦

[sharp dew]

💯 this

[chrome falcon]

really concerning and depressing

[chilly brook]

Even without reprisal

[median tulip]

We need something that's as effective as Reprisal

[viral flume]

i liked reprisal lol

[signal plover]

reprisal allowed me to make a focus intervene macro that says "ape together strong", so there's definitely huge positives

[chilly brook]

The only thing rep is doing is forcing you to use intervene

But you should have been charge weaving anyways

[jagged pier]

I like it more than not haveing good SB baseline from good play

[chilly brook]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[cinder storm]

At least we got condemn amirite?...

[median tulip]

I don't like the idea that (once again) Warrior gets its fundamental playstyle fucked with at the end of an expansion, while DK gets Abom Limb ported for free

[ionic fern]

Charging and dashing around is fun for me. 🤷

[patent osprey]

HR > Reprisal playstyle

[chilly brook]

Ok no

[ionic fern]

But that doesn't mean it has to be fun for everyone else.

[signal plover]

HR is just do rotation and win tho

[drifting fable]

hr is boring

[chilly brook]

Plka you’re making me want to say mean things

[mighty valley]

god everyone is already getting doomer from vague incomplete contextless 1st pass datamined spells lmao

[chilly brook]

[sharp dew]

Not when prot is in a good spot, you don’t need to charge weave because you have infinite rage. IE 7.3 legion 2set tier bonus

[patent osprey]

HR = you wanting to stay in the fray, vs running away

[jagged pier]

Fuck no

[patent osprey]

Reprisal makes mobs move like crazy

[drifting fable]

https://tenor.com/view/hang-first-time-smiles-gif-14991372

[ocean yoke]

dead spec now tbh

[torn gust]

lol

[sharp dew]

This

[chilly brook]

We were in a good spot in BFA and charge weaving was still optimal

[jagged pier]

Im not

[deft vortex]

prot warrior just needs reworked from the ground up

[mighty valley]

stand against the darkness jakey

[patent osprey]

Go to streets on high Fort/raging and watch those charge/shield guys in the last area, 1 shot your group as your run out to charge for reprisal

[chilly brook]

Rep doesn’t make mobs move like crazy

1. that’s a mob problem lol

2. stuns

[toxic pewter]

I agree 100%

[patent osprey]

The big last mini boss on Streets also, you can't even charge or move, so its just awful for JUST prot warrior

[mighty cairn]

just allow prot warrior to intervene themselves

[sharp dew]

The rage gen still was dog compared to legion. Great spot overall but the play style itself wasn’t 110cpm having 4.8 second battle cry cd’s during lust and 35 second shield wall cd’s

[signal plover]

90% of us still gonna play pwarr because it's gonna be viable (just like every other tank) in all but the most bleeding edge content.

[chilly brook]

Secret tech

Let him punt you

[patent osprey]

yeah i do, but it forces the chained people in bad postiions

[chilly brook]

It shouldn’t

[patent osprey]

or it can make a bomb spawn in the back which is death

[minor helm]

Sorry pika if apb agrees it’s gonna be a no from me dawg

[chilly brook]

You can charge right away

[grave crane]

That sounds like a them problem

[drifting fable]

[toxic pewter]

Lmao fuck you. Reprisal sucks ass and glad it’s gone

[minor helm]

[spiral warren]

[drifting fable]

lol damn

[patent osprey]

works 100%, 50% of the time 🙂 when it doesnt fk ur group 🙂

[chilly brook]

[tender imp]

reprisal is the most annoying trash legendary i ever played with

[patent osprey]

Either way, death to reprisal 🙂

[toxic pewter]

Everyone all of a sudden love reprisal what world do you losers live in

It was a 9.0.5 band aid

And it’s shit

[sharp dew]

If they put the walls fell legion Lego somewhere in the middle of the tree, that alone is a lot of dmg and rage and sw’s for free-if it’s in the middle of the tree

[mighty valley]

there's no way reprisal comes back. i thought it was fun as a one-expac playstyle. obviously it didn't make warrior wildly popular. but arguing about it is incredibly pointless now

[drifting fable]

1 person said they wanted reprisal holy

[chilly brook]

???

[sharp dew]

It shows it on the datamine

[sick sentinel]

heads gunna roll

[sharp dew]

So IE we’re getting it

[elfin surge]

as a fantasy reprisal is great, in use and action it was a bandaid - and dogo at that

[sharp dew]

Put it in the middle of the tree so we take it for free

[sick sentinel]

execute back on the menu

[median tulip]

If you haven't used a mobs kickback ability to get free Reprisal value I question if you're really playing Protection Warrior.

The real gigaplay is doing it to those guys in ToP

[patent osprey]

I did a 142k Execute on the first boss in mists yesterday followed by 3 120k executes. Prot Execute has never felt better 🙂

[grave crane]

yeah to be honest, they need to figure out SB, cause without reprisal idk what the uptime of it would be

[chilly brook]

Walls Fell was baby The Wall

And I doubt we get both

[chrome falcon]

i'm gonna try not to doomer

but i'm doomin

[chilly brook]

Since The Wall is datamined

And The Wall is better in every way

[ionic fern]

SEe, the majority of people don't play high keys.
And that seems to be more of a dungeon design issue.

[chilly brook]

^^

Ohhh boi

[sharp dew]

I just call it that out of habit but yeah I’m talking about the current sl lego that they have datamined up there

[chilly brook]

Paladin stuff datamined

[low spear]

looks like Annihilator replaces Devastator and doesnt replace Devastate anymore?

[sharp dew]

If we get it for free that’d be huge for us

[chilly brook]

But you specifically said the legion version

[mighty valley]

we were good in BFA without specifically reprisal, there are clearly other sets of effects that can make shield block work

[chilly brook]

Which was worse than SL

[toxic pewter]

That’s how I currently read it also

[low spear]

that's good

[cinder storm]

Shield block has been changed to Body of Thorns - Cover your body in thorns for 5-6s causing Deep Wounds to your attackers in every direction

There

Fixed

[mighty valley]

good job, prot warrior dead

[chilly brook]

Anyways time to go see how much better pink bois are gonna be than us

[icy yarrow]

if we hav to rely again in borrwed power to make pepewar works again we doomed

[chilly brook]

[median tulip]

That's a good way to deal with Devastator being so oppressive

[mighty valley]

it's not borrowed power if it's a permanent talent tree!!!

what on earth

[cinder storm]

I just want to clap adds cheeks like in BfA ffs

[toxic pewter]

I personally don’t want to have to press devastate… so I’m hoping it goes away again

[grave crane]

also when the trees do come out the devs will probably pop in to say hi how can we make them better and well make sure to tell em

[drifting fable]

doubt it

its built into Strategist

[toxic pewter]

It’s like that now too

[median tulip]

I'm old enough to remember when Devastate actually did something

[cinder storm]

Devs be like - is there a prot discord?

[chilly brook]

Well guys

It’s over

Time to go pink

[chilly brook]

Doubtful

[sharp dew]

I literally just ss’d that lmao

[chilly brook]

They never did that in BFA rework or with SL

[sharp dew]

That’s pretty crazy

15%

[chilly brook]

Who thought giving them a flat 15% DR perma is a good idea

[sick sentinel]

prot warrior dead?

[grave crane]

they did it for hunters

[sharp dew]

We get 2% vers don’t worry

[median tulip]

I doubt they'll say anything, but they do probably read this chat

[toxic pewter]

Lolwtf

[grave crane]

if anything theyll come in reach out to like arch or nom or mawhi and they can give them the rundown

[chilly brook]

Shield of Barkskin

[light quartz]

So... is this the dream time we get 2h + shield choice for prot?

[toxic pewter]

Hell no that’s not happening

[chrome falcon]

no

the dream is that we get something on our tree

that isn't a bad conduit or SL legendary

[chilly brook]

The DREAM

[chrome falcon]

so far we haven't seen any of that

[sick sentinel]

double shields, with shield spikes

[chilly brook]

I have a dream

A dream where gladiator stance and AM can coexist

[icy yarrow]

well, not seeing AM in the sheet gives some level of Copium being baseline

[grave crane]

i mean on the tree armored to the teeth is a nice strength gain

[drifting fable]

these are not the final trees, just keep that in mind

[sharp dew]

I think I saw something about 1 handed weapons-prot, gaining flat 10% leech

[chilly brook]

We don’t have the trees period

[cinder storm]

They will listen to us this time...I'm sure of that

[chilly brook]

I have a dream that they delete Ignore Pain from the game

[drifting fable]

[low spear]

Why do people miss Glad Stance so much? Rotationally it plays the same as Prot does now, it just did more damage.

[chilly brook]

Exactly

[low spear]

I dont get it

[cinder storm]

More damage more fun

[chilly brook]

What is there to miss????

[sharp dew]

Nostalgia is the literal only reason lol

[deft vortex]

i ahve a dream we have some kinda of Magic Resist

[chilly brook]

Playing prot as a DPS was pog af

Like Wadu

[mighty valley]

gladiator fans are like high school football all stars

[chilly brook]

No, I like sword and shield, being able to be dps sword and shield is dope

[mighty valley]

those were their glory days

[chilly brook]

Like I don’t know why this is difficult to understand

[low spear]

Okay let me clarify, when some people talk about it they act like the flavor of the talent/playstyle was so unique. It's not. It's just Prot that does big numbers.

If that's what you mean, cool.

[chilly brook]

Saying it’s just prot that does big numbers is kinda disingenuous

Because it’s not prot at that point

[low spear]

???

[chilly brook]

Because it’s not a tank spec

[chrome falcon]

it was a dps spec mate

you couldn't tank as it

[chilly brook]

^

[chrome falcon]

you had 0 defensive abilities that were relevant

[chilly brook]

^^

[grave crane]

so then just slap a shield on arms and call yourself a gladiator lol

[chilly brook]

You can’t

You literally can’t play arms with sword and shield

Nothing works

[mighty valley]

to work in modern day they'd just have to split it out, like they were forced to for druid specs

[chilly brook]

They really wouldn’t have to

[mighty valley]

and that's a lot of work for low gain

[sharp dew]

They could do it pretty easily

[chilly brook]

They’ve shown they can tune independently

[runic sparrow]

People who dislike gladiator stance average log 30 and are happy with it, change my mind.

[chilly brook]

If they can put a pvp tag on it and have it behave differently they can do the same for glad stance

[mighty valley]

but like, the entire prot tree in the new talent system isn't going to be supporting a dps spec

[chilly brook]

Just like the entire warrior tree won’t support each spec

[silk pine]

Hey guys does someone stream the warrior tree probably later?

[chilly brook]

No

[mighty valley]

they'd have to awkwardly make the tree and tier sets support two specs within one

[chilly brook]

It’s not in alpha

[silk pine]

Whut...

[chilly brook]

The tree

Is not available

In the alpha

[mighty valley]

all we have is some datamined spells

"oh, sounds too early to freak out then, right?" you might say

wrong

[silk pine]

Kind of sad right now

[chilly brook]

“When in gladiator stance……”

[mighty valley]

time to lose your mind and make yourself sad

[silk pine]

not sad but I thought I can see the prot tree right now

[low spear]

this is a braindead take

[sick sentinel]

second time LFR on my mage died to melees

[mighty valley]

yeah, this is the approach they took to feral druid for a long time, and they decided it was worse to support than splitting out into separate specs

[sick sentinel]

nvm we wiped lol

[chilly brook]

The only reason gladiator was removed

[sharp dew]

If they brought back glad stance they would have to make it the meta warr spec for at least the first season. Otherwise it’d be a waste of effort because anyone halfway decent in m+ or raid isn’t going to use the inferior spec and you’ll be seeing “why are you playing X instead of Y” like fury over arms atm in keys

[chilly brook]

Is because arms and fury cried so much that it was better and that they had to play prot

That blizz hamstrung the spec and then justified the removal with the metric of “no one plays it”

[low spear]

The best solution is to give arms the ability to use a 1h and shield or add a new spec entirely

Glad Stance was Prot+, wasn't interesting at all

[mighty valley]

the best solution is not to add a 3rd dps spec to an already unpopular class

[sharp dew]

Which I think we’re pretty low on the totem pull for gaining a new spec

[chilly brook]

Unpopular?

Lol

[sharp dew]

Warrior is like the most popular casual class there is

[velvet elbow]

So uh, prot warr dead off these dataminded changes bois?

[drifting fable]

yeah we're gonna delete this channel soon

[sweet summit]

xd

bye bye guys

[drifting fable]

been real

[sharp dew]

Anyone new to mmo’s “hmm I’ll take the big sword smash guy” or “I’ll take the “wizard” mage guy”

Definitely not an unpopular class

[mighty valley]

sorry, i mean splitting out a dps spec from the least popular tank fantasy

[sweet summit]

sure, but protection warrior is an unpopular spec

[sharp dew]

💯

Even after being meta for over a year straight in bfa, you’ll still see prot warrior KEKW in any twitch chat lmao

[grave crane]

thats because twitch viewers are streamer npcs lol

[patent osprey]

KEKW

[sharp dew]

Pika knows this first hand by trolls I’m sure lol

[mighty valley]

gamers shouldn't be allowed

[minor helm]

Specs fine it’s unpopular cause u play it

Boom roasted

[drifting fable]

whyd you kill prot erga

[minor helm]

[icy yarrow]

looking at the "new" pasives from pally and monk, makes me think the warr team are since long time out of new ideas about make the spec more enjoyable

[drifting fable]

something something not every ability something

[sweet summit]

i don't get that reference

[velvet elbow]

Was only meta in last patch with mastery changes, no? And it was still only like 25% of 25s+, unlike bdk at 42%

[sweet summit]

mastery changes?

[steel mist]

I just saw the notes,isn't annihilator same as devastator ? Or am I wrong

[sweet summit]

it is

[low spear]

doesnt say it replaces devastate iirc

[drifting fable]

same as devastator but without removing devastate as a spell

[muted nexus]

bring back sunder armor

[steel mist]

I don't get it

[muted nexus]

[sick sentinel]

3rd wipe to lfr andy

[steel mist]

Also why the hell are they playing safe with the talents,can't they go beyond with ideas for a new talents and interactions

[sick sentinel]

they might have him

[steel mist]

https://tenor.com/view/concern-robot-gif-9226335

[icy yarrow]

this is prot warr channel. we dont do that here, neither in BLizz offices

[sick sentinel]

he killed us.

[steel mist]

I mean I just the Ret doc and there is an interaction where I have to use divine stead to extend my range of attacks???....

Wut

[lavish oracle]

Honestly my guess is that this is the prot starting node for the class tree

but who knows

[chilly brook]

Because, to no one’s surprise, people like having control

They only played prot in BFA because it was oppressively good

[lavish oracle]

I still like not being in total control of my life bar

I like being able to control how fast it goes down

[chilly brook]

But if they could have chosen any other tanks to be oppressively good it would have been Blood or DH

[lavish oracle]

but my healer should be in charge of when it goes up

[chilly brook]

There is a big reason as to why blood is usually the most popular tank spec even when it’s not meta

[modern brook]

Utility?

:^)

[grave crane]

being able to heal back a shit ton of damage?

[chilly brook]

Honestly, get rid of IP

Flip warrior on its head

[modern brook]

Ignore shield

[chilly brook]

Absorb shield based on the damage you deal with your spenders

[lavish oracle]

if they got rid of IP but were like SB now reduces incoming magic damage by 30% I'd be cool with that

[modern brook]

?????

[chilly brook]

Play heavily into the I smash shit fantasy

[chilly brook]

No

[sweet summit]

lol

[drifting fable]

that would be so broken lol

[chilly brook]

We don’t need a repeat of legion bear

[modern brook]

Just give me infinite health and damage

[chilly brook]

Honestly though

[lavish oracle]

well, if you get rid of IP we just die to spell damage

[chilly brook]

They should give shield block some form of magic DR imo

[lavish oracle]

more than we already do

[chilly brook]

Not if what I said happens

Absorb shield based on damage you deal

[sweet summit]

it's called protection paladin

[chilly brook]

Nah

[modern brook]

Cowards

Ip's issue is its overlap with sb

[chilly brook]

Just make it so shield block is only half as effective against magic

I.e. you can block magic

But at half value

[velvet elbow]

So.. you have to sit on your shield slam until a spell comes out :^)

[chilly brook]

Then paladins retain their niche of being better at magic mitigation on block

Which really their niche is just being utility kings

But hey

Whatever

[modern brook]

Paladins should be removed from the game

[sweet summit]

yeah

just remove every other tank spec tbh

[chilly brook]

Wut

It would theoretically change nothing for your playstyle other than shield block having some value on fights where it had none

Defensive value anyways

[modern brook]

Garunteed spell blocks is kinda also busted even at half value

[chilly brook]

Cuz offensively shield slam value go brrr with shield block

[pallid quiver]

This, yes

[chilly brook]

At half value you’re talking a barkskin at best

[pallid quiver]

Fuck Pallies

[chilly brook]

For normal blocks anyways

[modern brook]

And barkskin up time is what? 40%?

[chilly brook]

Hell make it so spells can’t be crit blocked

Hey fam, all I’m saying is if you basically only get 15% reduction on blocked spells there’s no chance in hell that it’s going to make us broken

But it would be nice QoL

It might even make us more desirable for raids

[sharp dew]

As in change nothing and give us 15%?

Or remove ip and give 15%

Cuz you’ve talked about both

[modern brook]

Iunno imo the fix is make ip passive

[chilly brook]

Especially considering the “magic mitigation” tank aka DH is still considered meh

And they have that up 100% of the time

Which we don’t even get 100% uptime on shield block unless we have a bandaid to help

[modern brook]

I mean 15% Dr on shield block translates to effectively dh' magic tatoos

[chilly brook]

Yes

[modern brook]

With 3 more defensive cooldowns

That stack

Multiplicatively with it

[chilly brook]

And the fact that we wouldn’t have nearly the blocked hits we do if we didn’t have reprisal

Which we won’t in DF

[sweet summit]

huh?

how?

[chilly brook]

IP passive through damage dealt

[sweet summit]

brutal vitality but always?

[grave crane]

yeah its called brutal vit

[chrome falcon]

brutal vit is so terrible

it's very depressing to see it on there

[chilly brook]

Ye and probably with a bit of a facelift in terms of numbers

[chrome falcon]

unless IP is heavily reworked

[sweet summit]

but you can easily make it not terrible

[chilly brook]

^^

If brutal vit just contributed absorb regardless of if you had an IP or not it would already skyrocket in value tbh

[sharp dew]

If we have no ip we can’t spend rage fast enough in some scenarios besides execute phase-banner would be gone though so maybe

[chrome falcon]

lol it will be very easy to spend enough rage

[sweet summit]

but we won't have banner

and we won't have outburst

[chilly brook]

Simple fix for not having an off gcd spender

[sweet summit]

so you will generate substantially less rage

[grave crane]

well they havent been datamined yet

they could still add them

[chilly brook]

Give heroic strike back

[sweet summit]

no

[grave crane]

they did for blood

[chrome falcon]

no don't say that

it'll be there

[sweet summit]

baseline for sure

[chrome falcon]

surely they won't bring back 3 terrible fucking legendaries from this expansion

and skip outburst

[chilly brook]

Outburst is a shit playstyle

Not even fun

[sweet summit]

wrong

shut up

[chrome falcon]

outburst isn't even a playstyle

it's just a nice

[chilly brook]

Nah

It’s shit

[chrome falcon]

"ooh i get a beeg creet"

[sweet summit]

why do you feel like it's shit

[grave crane]

and a passive IP which would be a nice change

[chilly brook]

shhhh I’m fucking with mata

[sharp dew]

Did you guys see the titanic throw ability? That’s pretty cool, little avengers shield type of thing for us with the bounce

[chilly brook]

It’s just heroic throw but hits aoe

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[chrome falcon]

which will be really good when we get gag order

[sharp dew]

Yeah but it’s better than nothing

[chilly brook]

Please

Don’t get my hopes up

[chrome falcon]

nah dw

i'm full doomer

gonna play prot pala looks cool

[chilly brook]

Honestly I’d be fine with prot having such a detriment to magic damage

If they gave us gag order back and maybe something else

Like Legion Improved Spell Reflect

[sharp dew]

Bro…

Biggest Pog ever

Legion SR

[chilly brook]

OH SHIT BRO

I get to choose my pronouns in DF

[lavish oracle]

aoe heroic throw is actually sick

[chilly brook]

That’s the shit I’ve been waiting for since Vanilla!

[lavish oracle]

can't even complain about that

[chilly brook]

[sweet summit]

?xd

why care about that

[chilly brook]

I don’t but wowhead does

[mighty valley]

wowhead announces everything, it's their job

aoe heroic throw is honestly great qol

[chilly brook]

I guess?

I don’t spend a lot of time using heroic throw

[sharp dew]

This, one dps ability, one healing ability, all other mobs instant aggro change with heroic throw on the rest of the mobs

[chilly brook]

So I don’t think I will in DF unless somehow we have a kiting meta

[lavish oracle]

Even just when you're chaining from one pack to another it's nice

[mighty valley]

it's just a comfort to have tapped everything on the pull, other tanks get this

[sharp dew]

Exactly

[mighty valley]

our pull is functional, just we have to press more buttons

[sharp dew]

Quad gambit pull is a perfect example

[mighty valley]

like everything else we do rn

[lavish oracle]

I usually do it with ravager this xpac but it wastes like all of ravager's DPS

if I'm trying to pull two packs that are far apart together

[rotund terrace]

does it silence so they run to you?

[lavish oracle]

heroic throw hasn't silenced in a minute

that'd be sick, tho

[mighty valley]

can usually just ask for a ranged kick

[sharp dew]

Hell no we ain’t getting avengers shield, that’s op lol

[mighty valley]

we don't get EVERYTHING paladins get

[lavish oracle]

it was ours first, dammit!

[mighty valley]

all of tanking was ours first

[lavish oracle]

True

[mighty valley]

we are still paying for our vanilla sins

[rotund terrace]

is the aoe stun gone or is that baseline prot?

[sharp dew]

People be sleeping on this though

[rotund terrace]

nvm i saw it, shockwave still there

[mighty valley]

idk we can't really divine much from random datamined spells

[lavish oracle]

Probably have to talent shockwave but impossible to tell

[mighty valley]

might be v incomplete

[lavish oracle]

give DPS warriors shockwave again

[rotund terrace]

looks like they kept it a prot-only talent

[lavish oracle]

bastards

[strong forum]

literally one of the things i mentioned after the pin

[waxen orbit]

They’re trying to make it happen @chrome falcon @strong forum @cinder nova

[rotund terrace]

but now you can press IP every 1 second