protection

[cinder nova]

It starts at 30%?

[strong forum]

it doesnt start at 30%

its based off of block value and K value

it was flat 30% DR pre-BFA

no matter what

[distant crystal]

it's still a %DR though right

[tender imp]

the number of it doesnt matter in this case, its still a flat damage reduction

[strong forum]

yes

a 285 in m+ is like 42%

[tender imp]

which means it scales with the hit taken

[cinder nova]

Nom you're gonna have to explain to me K value

[distant crystal]

i'd kinda consider that a flat dr% 🤷

[cinder nova]

I stopped crunching numbers in Cata so I just stopped giving a shit and focused on play

[distant crystal]

as opposed to like, a flat fixed value DR or something where low level mobs can't even dmg you

[strong forum]

K value is a hidden value that reduces effectiveness of armor, block and stagger based on instance type

and it gets increased every patch so armor and such dont scale into infinite DRs

[cinder nova]

That sounds charmingly and needlessly convoluted. Continue.

[distant crystal]

it's kinda necessary because of the way dmg reduction scales naturally

[urban portal]

accidentally posted in fury

[strong forum]

for example in mythic raid, block armor and stagger is much less effective than in m+

[strong forum]

because of K value

[urban portal]

blocking is effectively a 2nd layer of armor

[cinder nova]

Is there any way to potentially just...

Not have to need K value?

From a design standpoint.

Or are they adjusting K value so that it doesn't necessarily feel noticeable from a player side

[strong forum]

they had to make mitigation not come from gear

[urban portal]

K values dont feel noticable at all

[strong forum]

and just flat % reductions

[urban portal]

if you dont tell people K value exist no one would actually know

[strong forum]

^

[tender imp]

right but this whole K value is irrelevant to what i was saying

[cinder nova]

But I'm assuming some eggheads saw numerical discrepancies with their gear and how much damage they were taking

Or did blizz actually candidly relate this to theorycrafters?

[strong forum]

reverse engineerd

there are tools to figure that out

gets usually done on PTR / beta

[cinder nova]

Man the numbers in this game are a heaving, bloated mass of chewed gum and paperclips.

[strong forum]

LOTS and LOTS of data gets reverse engineered

[urban portal]

RPG games always had complex numbers

you just dont look

BTW armor is effectively the same thing but worse than block

but you generally get more armor than you do block

[cinder nova]

And it also works on unblockable physical damage like the AOE on Sludgefist or Eye casts in SOD.

[tender imp]

theres 2 cases where block was disgustingly op, first on argus, u could reach 100% critblock and 100%block on his melees, meant u took basically 0 dmg entire fight, and in bfa when warrs had perma block uptime as well in m+, things like this is why blizz is afraid to give warrs some other things apart from block, but ye the problem again is that stuff u cant block just basically kills u

[urban portal]

so lets say pally gets 1300 armor from shield

but a warrior has 1000 block

itll be around the same mitigation

not exaclty but similar

[strong forum]

rn we can reach like 85% block uptime, a bit more if youre super aggressive with reprisal

and through banner we have like perma 50% mastery

[cinder nova]

I remember soloing M Agg Taesch

I want that feeling again

[strong forum]

tanks arent allowed to have fun

sorry

[cinder nova]

Apparently.

[strong forum]

thats why every mitigation got reworked to armor after legion

cuz tanks had too much fun with % mitigation

[tender imp]

as soon they buff warr mitigation outside of their blocking, the class will be unkillable

or if u make everything blockable

so not sure how they can solve it

apart from a complete redesign

[urban portal]

again like I said, blocking is not THAT op

its very good

[strong forum]

we have 25% mitigation just being inside avatar currently

add the infinite IP

[urban portal]

but its not insanely broken

not like what you are trying to say

after my zoom call ill literally math out how much each point of block is worth in terms of armor

[strong forum]

if we had 2% indom alone, pwar would be unkillable

right now

this very moment

[tender imp]

im not saying blocking is op now.

there were cases in the past where it was def the case

[strong forum]

no but im saying we'd be OP with 2% indom

[modern brook]

Save ur time mwahii did this already

[tender imp]

and past cases like that is what makes blizz not wanting to add other things to make warr more viable

[strong forum]

not popular enough

[cinder nova]

I feel like PWarr in general always is the fastest to get nerfed out of all the tanks

I actually don't remember the last nerf we've gotten

[tender imp]

legion

when ur leech aura could stack

[urban portal]

link prease?

[cinder nova]

kekw

[tender imp]

in emerald nightmare

[cinder nova]

Infinite IP

EN Pwarr was an actual circus

[urban portal]

i thought EN was a meme tier

[tender imp]

it was

but the top guilds all used double warr

basically

it didnt last long

[cinder nova]

Honestly, I like the design philosophy of making tanks OP collectively than making them feel like slow, boring molasses that basically can't do anything but not die.

I honestly find being able to juggle survival just enough to be able to pump way more fun than trying to just focus on not dying entirely

[tender imp]

in a perfect world we would see all 6 tanks in a world first race

but that just never gonna happen

it is what it is

well if u ask me

the current pwar is way too spammy

infinite rage and all that shit

[narrow fog]

Compared to other tanks or in general to all classes?

[tender imp]

compared to other tanks ye

[narrow fog]

Fair.

[sweet summit]

that makes it sound like a bad thing

[tender imp]

well some like it some dont

[narrow fog]

Doesn't

Imo it's fine as long as it doesn't get too crazy

But that is personal preference

[tender imp]

ye i think atm its kinda crazy levels of APM

prefer less

[narrow fog]

To play to the absolute best

Yea

Other tanks don't have to do as much

[ocean yoke]

ive gone over 90 on rygelon its actually ridiculous

[minor helm]

Sounds like fun to me

I love 40 apm arms

[ocean yoke]

its definitely that, for me at least

[tender imp]

i wonder which covenant abilities will make it to the tree

i think only spear might

rest is ditched

[shut summit]

current prot is extremely fun but extremely tiring / rsi inducing

[ocean yoke]

if i had to put money on it spear will be in there somewhere, could end up a class talent and not just prot one as well

[urban portal]

i think its hard to gear all 6 tanks

imagine forcing every RWF to gear 3 tanks at least

especially first tier

[tender imp]

if u remove all the borrowed power shit like renown or azerite or what have u

and u only have to focus on getting gear

its relatively chill to gear multiples

[urban portal]

depends on how hard blizz wanna cuck you

[tender imp]

and dragonflight sounds like that

so far

[urban portal]

though i wish you are right

i wish i can walk into a 15 on an alt a week after i ding 60

instead of having to wait for leggos and bunch of other stuff

[tender imp]

well its blizz there will be some weekly thing probably that u have to keep up

but i expect it to be a lot less than what we had

[chrome falcon]

first rygelon kill as pwarr was awesome

future kills are nightmares

because you have to play just as frantically and perfectly

you can't just kinda chill and vibe it

[tender imp]

i think at this point rygelon actually hurts more than jailer funnily enough

[shut summit]

yea easily

jailer is a complete joke now

[modern brook]

The jokeler

[chrome falcon]

if you fuck up in rygo you die every time pretty much

jailer tickles

[undone verge]

I still dont know why they nerfed jailer melee dmg

[dawn canyon]

other tanks had a very hard time

[hazy edge]

vdh could get one shot at 100% hp in meta with spikes up

it kinda needed a nerf for them

[dawn canyon]

there is funny screenshots of bdks getting purg'd first melee on pull

[chrome falcon]

that one of one of the WF raiders getting 1 tapped as monk was great

[errant oriole]

I hope I do ok on my prot war next season abit nervous haha

[muted nexus]

assuming they don't stealth nerf banner/uptime you'll be fine

[errant oriole]

Ikr still trying to get better at banner uptime too

[muted nexus]

it's tricky at first

[errant oriole]

I can make it last 1.2 min so far >_> which probably terrible

Havent tried in raid though either

[muted nexus]

in dungeon?

[errant oriole]

Ya dungeon

[muted nexus]

that's pretty decent imo, as long as you kind of flesh out how you like to use it for larger/more intense pull requirements

[errant oriole]

I try to use on pulls that will last too depending on they key

[muted nexus]

there are downtime spots that are unavoidable in almost every dungeon

the best thing to do is mentally map out how to hit those downtime gaps with a banner ready to go next leg

the more u play it, the more fun it gets

[chrome falcon]

oh hey i got wrath beta

hmmm

[strong forum]

Goal of banner should be being able to extend it past 2 minutes

[errant oriole]

Oh thats what i figured

[hazy edge]

Sit on a dps dummy and whack it till you can extend past 2 min. It’s very good practice

[chrome falcon]

yeah i think the first thing you do before any serious content is just practice rotation until you hit 2 min banner on a dummy

if you really can't do it, log and post it here and we'll tell you why

[candid path]

I would also agree, my first advice is almost always to practice on a dummy

[errant oriole]

Alright ill try that tonight when i get home

[candid path]

To nerf Monk opener.

[undone verge]

I still want to talk about yesterday and how lihuvium is an ez 100% boss

its like an ez 80% boss but 100 is just annoying to get

[chrome falcon]

yeah i dunno about ez 100% with all the forced downtime

[modern brook]

100%?

[chrome falcon]

banner

[modern brook]

Oh right

Nerdcore lords over here

[earnest canyon]

Should I be able to do it without charging the dummy?

[chrome falcon]

no, probably not?

why wouldn't you charge the dummy?

[earnest canyon]

Nono, just specifying the exercise

[lofty widget]

for max simulation you could get a buddy to afk next to the dummy

to have an intervene target

[chrome falcon]

yeah uh

no point practicing without using all your abilities

we had someone else in here a few weeks ago who wouldn't use LS with banner because it was a "crutch"

which gave me a bit of a giggle

use everything you've got at your disposal

[lofty widget]

sounds like a challenge

[sick sentinel]

so, if i have LS and i have banner on 20 more seconds, .... i wait 20 more seconds banner ls?

[earnest canyon]

It’s just I’m finding it hard to figure out good opportunities to charge in a raid scenario

Tried my prot in a reclear today, was a bit rough

[chrome falcon]

when your co-tank is tanking

or when the boss is casting

[lofty widget]

whenever boss is casting, before you tank swap, can also leap>charge in a pinch

[chrome falcon]

that's basically it

[chrome falcon]

yes LS is terrible and pointless without banner up

[lofty widget]

welll it still makes you kinda tanky

like i had a case earlier today where i had 1:30 cd on banner and ls was up

[chrome falcon]

there are only 2 bosses in sepulchre where i find reprisal annoying

[lofty widget]

i aint gonna wait 1:30 to LS

[chrome falcon]

sounds like you did a bad banner if it ran for less than 30

[lofty widget]

yup

[chrome falcon]

but yeah in that situation i get it

[lofty widget]

ppl stealing mushrooms in mists

[chrome falcon]

just not a situation you want to be in the first place

[open gazelle]

AM better than bolster with 4 piece? I really enjoyed the synergy behind rage generation conduit tied to last stand

[chrome falcon]

AM has been better than bolster and HR for over a year

With the tier it's even more insanely better

Because, like

Wtf are you even using all that rage you're getting on?

Because you're not using it on extra avatars

[open gazelle]

I know I just always enjoyed 2 min last stand with rage generation like crazy and a 15 sec shield block, im more of a defensive player

[chrome falcon]

Yeah that's not how that works

[open gazelle]

Fing rage is used to keep banner up duh lol

[chrome falcon]

AM is better defensively

Then I recommend running AM

And generating way more rage

By getting more outbursts 🙂

bolster is absolute trash

[open gazelle]

Sigh I’ll miss my 15 sec free shield block then

[chrome falcon]

good thing you never needed it in the first place

there's no such thing as a "defensive player"

if you do bad damage you're a bad tank

[open gazelle]

I guess we do get shield wall more frequent now

[chrome falcon]

did you miss the part where avatar is a 10% DR

and gives you 70 rage

[open gazelle]

Yeah that’s cool

[chrome falcon]

our whole 4pc is based around avatar

not running the talent that halves the CD of avatar is a crime

[open gazelle]

Why do we play ravaged instead of clap spam talent?

[chrome falcon]

because clap does 0 damage

[open gazelle]

I feel like clap spam is so much damage versus ravager

[chrome falcon]

and generates 0 rage

[open gazelle]

Oh

[chrome falcon]

you are wrong then

revenge

is good damage

revenge and SS

[open gazelle]

Ah

Oh that right clap got nerfed after bfa

[chrome falcon]

yeah thank god

[open gazelle]

Any other tank class recommendations? I want to play one more class

I don’t like feeling squishy

[dawn canyon]

BDK

[open gazelle]

So good uptime on defensive plus higher armor is key for me

[chrome falcon]

every other class gets basically 100% uptime on their defensive without even trying

so you're in luck there

[chilly brook]

No

[open gazelle]

How’s bear?

[chilly brook]

Clap spam was goated

[chilly brook]

Doesn’t matter

[chrome falcon]

bear is insanely braindead

but it's a brick wall

[chilly brook]

All tanks are good

Play what’s fun

[open gazelle]

I don’t want to play bdk because waiting on runes isn’t fun for me

So any other recommendations

[dawn canyon]

You hardly wait

[chilly brook]

Ye just play what’s fun

[dawn canyon]

It's soo fucking rune flooded rn

[chrome falcon]

clap spam was the worst playstyle prot has ever had btw

more fun in classic

[chilly brook]

Like fr there are only what? 6? Tanks?

[open gazelle]

Right now but at the beginning of expacs with no haste it feels so badddd

[dawn canyon]

6

[chilly brook]

Just try them all

[chilly brook]

Lmfao nice troll

[chrome falcon]

i'm barely even trolling

definitely worst playstyle since cata though

[chilly brook]

Clap spam had such good synergy

The entire spec was feedback loop

Which it has once again turned into because of banner/glory

Prot is always at its best when things interact

[open gazelle]

Clap spam was the most fun I had for a season then I’m glad it went away

[grave crane]

So pwar

[chilly brook]

You only say that because prot was something you felt “forced” to play

Because it was so much better than every tank at the time in keys

[open gazelle]

I miss bwomsandi affix tbh

[chilly brook]

Honestly they went too far with the nerfs

[chrome falcon]

nope

not far enough

just remove UF

i don't want to spend an entire expansion pressing tclap

[chilly brook]

Gutted clap and UF after it already was losing so much power to begin with

And then gutted AM

And Bolster

9.0 prot was such a slog

[chrome falcon]

rip bolster

[chilly brook]

Worse than 8.0 prot with everything on the GCD

[chrome falcon]

gone but never forgotten

[open gazelle]

Beginning of expacs are always hardest for tanking

[chilly brook]

Nah

I came back to prot after the first week of playing blood at the start of the xpac

But uhhh

[open gazelle]

Why’d you leave blood?

[chilly brook]

They really went overboard with the nerfs

[chrome falcon]

because blood was also terrible

[chilly brook]

Because I couldn’t be bothered living on the edge in season 1

Literally you needed a healer that wasn’t blind

You were fine

Until you weren’t

And if your healer decided to dump heals into you while you were about to death strike they just inted for you

Because now you have no RP

And they don’t have heals

[urban portal]

Mostly cuz they don’t tune the dungeon right

[chilly brook]

I also never wanted to play blood tbh

[open gazelle]

My alt is either going to be prot pally or bear hmmmmm

[chrome falcon]

as always the moral of the story is to play prot warrior

your healers always know your health is going to go down

never up

[chilly brook]

I was going to play prot pally in s1 but the guild didn’t want double prot pallys and the other guy felt like he needed to reroll if I didn’t

So I said fine I’ll play the utility game

[pallid quiver]

i don't think prot has never been really unreliable

everyone understands what is going to happen, no ine is surprised, and warrior go tank

[chilly brook]

Then I said “nah utility game dumb, I’ll just quit the game if I’m not playing what I want to play”

So I went back to being woyer

[pallid quiver]

They may have been bad, but damn if not everyone understand HP go down, it need go back up

[chilly brook]

Most of the time my keys have always gone super smooth and everyone is so impressed at how good woyer tank is

Even in 8.0 and 9.0

8.0 woyer was funny af

So many dps bitching about my damage and the mobs dying too quick

And healers whining about low damage intake, unless the mobs had “shoot” or “throw rock”

[pallid quiver]

Listen, man, rocks are the weapons of champions

[chilly brook]

Honestly 8.1 is the most impactful patch in the game to date for warrior

[pallid quiver]

You can gill an ancient chaos god with nothing but rock throwing in ADOM, brigands can take down kings in Mount and Blade with nothing but rocks,

Rock stronk

[chilly brook]

Learning how to block projectiles man

Sheeeeesh

But also having 80% uptime on demoralizing shout in 8.0 was great

[open gazelle]

I do think ip needs buffed and shield block cd reduced for dragon flight because of legendary going away

[chilly brook]

Lots of fun metagaming shenanigans that happened in BFA for warrior

[chrome falcon]

i will be quite sad if DF features this version of IP again

[pallid quiver]

I think we should get S Barrier and Vengeance back :)

[chrome falcon]

and this version of SB again

[chilly brook]

Get rid of IP

[chrome falcon]

yep

i'm done with IP

[chilly brook]

Roll an absorb into revenge/keksecute

[chrome falcon]

had enough

[chilly brook]

Have it be based off of damage dealt

Stick it to the normies who think all that matters is not dying and tank dps is secondary

[chrome falcon]

and give us sudden death

[chilly brook]

Make AM baseline

Gib higher baseline rage generation

Add shield block to AM

Allow us to block spells

But at like idk half effectiveness

There, I just fixed warrior

Oh and also roll Demoralizing Shout into AM and take it off the GCD

[oblique garnet]

Remove AM

[chrome falcon]

i think it'd be interesting to do something along the lines of nerfing block to 20/25% but making it extremely easy to keep up

and then give us a spender that guarantees crit blocks for a few seconds

[chilly brook]

No

AM is literally the best part of warrior

[oblique garnet]

Yeah remove it

[chilly brook]

[oblique garnet]

Let it be something new now

[chrome falcon]

i don't hate that either

warrior since legion has been "do we generate enough rage for AM to be good so the class can be fun again like it was at the end of last expansion"

[chilly brook]

You just want me to play outlaw

[chrome falcon]

make it so we can actually spend rage on buttons that feel good

for reasons beyond

[chilly brook]

I need my CDR class

[chrome falcon]

"hey i spent rage woo"

[chilly brook]

That’s a separate issue

That’s not an AM problem

[chrome falcon]

i disagree

[chilly brook]

That’s an “IP is shit” problem

[chrome falcon]

blizz keeps making our spenders shittier and shittier

oh as if revenge actually feels good to press and impactful

[chilly brook]

It does big dam

[chrome falcon]

it does ok dam

it's just spammable

do you remember early legion revenge

like 7.1

that did big fuckin dam

[oblique garnet]

As long as AM exists meaningless buttons like ip will stay

[chilly brook]

that’s not really accurate

We had shield barrier and AM in WoD

IP was also actually good in Legion

And we also had AM

[chrome falcon]

yeah

and blizzard keeps nerfing it

because they realise that

[chilly brook]

But then Blizz has been on this cooked “tanks need to be more reliant on the group” mentality

Which isn’t an AM issue

It’s a cooked design philosophy issue

[oblique garnet]

I wouldnt say tanks are that reliant on the group until you get to the highest keys where mistakes actually kill you

[chilly brook]

Not currently

[open gazelle]

I miss legion prot

[oblique garnet]

Not currently wasnt in bfa

Its always the first patch where tanks take a beating

Outside of that its fairly smooth sailing

[open gazelle]

Does anyone else kite a lil when you have no SB or is that just me

[chilly brook]

You still took a beating in 8.1 if the group wasn’t paying attention

[oblique garnet]

Sure not every tank just self sustains itself but majority does well enough to live with one hot

[chilly brook]

BFA was the start of over-designing dungeons imo

[chrome falcon]

yup

[chilly brook]

Everything has to be kicked

[muted nexus]

watching blood dk health bars is stressful as a healer

[chrome falcon]

blizz is trying way way too hard with dungeons now

[chilly brook]

You don’t watch their health

That’s your first problem

^^

[muted nexus]

i'll just make a box that says "LOL" and overlay it on ui

hard to miss the health bar slamming left and right

[chilly brook]

If they have enough RP to death strike they’re fine

If they have not a whole lot of RP that’s your job to take over

[oblique garnet]

Only bad tanks die

Facts

[chilly brook]

They need to rework spell reflect

Keep the CD

But honestly just make it a buff that doesn’t have a duration

Just is consumed once it gets hit by a spell or only last for 5 seconds if magic damage ticks and it’s not reflectable

CD starts when its consumed or the damage ticks

The amount of time spell reflect gets inted

[oblique garnet]

Too broken

[chilly brook]

Functions the same

Just means you don’t get inted if someone kicks your reflect

[oblique garnet]

Doesnt matter

Would need separate for pvp and thats top much work

[chilly brook]

Wouldn’t that actually be worse for pvp

You could troll a badly timed reflect pretty easily

[oblique garnet]

This what it is now, yes?

[chrome falcon]

yeah

he's saying he just wants it to be a passive until it procs then it auto casts it

literally what it is now except you cast it whenever you want and it autoprocs when it would do something

which sounds like slack to me but

[chilly brook]

^

[oblique garnet]

Why

[chilly brook]

The only difference is you’re not wasting a SR if someone kicks when you say “don’t kick”

[chilly brook]

You’d still cast it

[oblique garnet]

Wait till last second for sr?

[chilly brook]

Shouldn’t need to when you tell people don’t kick im reflecting

Don’t hit me with a logical answer

[oblique garnet]

Thats especially when i would hold because i know my friends for sure would try to kick it

[chrome falcon]

sorry griff another L take

it can go right next to your one about bfa prot being fun

[chilly brook]

You’re right

I was wrong

[oblique garnet]

Tf you say

[chilly brook]

BFA prot wasn’t fun

[chrome falcon]

you heard

[chilly brook]

It was insanely fun

[oblique garnet]

It was fun in keys

[chilly brook]

Yes but no, you could hit it at the start of an encounter but if you do that and something does ticking aoe damage congrats you wasted it and it’s on CD for 20 seconds instead of waiting for the actual cast that you could reflect

It would just keep you from being trolled on kicks

Or at least lessen the troll

[chrome falcon]

i feel like

we just

bring back gleaming scales

and we're gucci

[oblique garnet]

Thats a good usage still

[chrome falcon]

and let us talent into a better SR

like 7/14/21% better DR on SR

[oblique garnet]

Youre mitigating damage regardless

[chilly brook]

Not if the damage intake of that aoe is like 10k but the direct cast is 45k

[mighty valley]

coordinating kicks with reflect is one of the rare ways to be good at dungeons

i agree that some SL dungeons have gone overboard on kickable casts

[chilly brook]

Some?

ToP

[mighty valley]

but i swear, if you asked the wow community for their list of Best Designed Dungeons

[chilly brook]

[chrome falcon]

i think their idea was like

"hey this mob has 3 kickable casts, pick which one you think is more important to stop"

but they're all too important to allow

[chilly brook]

DoS

[mighty valley]

they would give you a list of the most Press W, Pull Whatever, No Pesky Mechanics dungeons of all time

[chilly brook]

HoA

[chrome falcon]

points at when they literally did that and voted the worst dungeon into season 4

[oblique garnet]

Because people forget what it was

[mighty valley]

to be fair most people voting on that poll didn't think about the dungeon beyond "train"

[oblique garnet]

Because its been almost 10 years my man

[chilly brook]

Train wasn’t that bad

Everbloom was worse

[chrome falcon]

it's not that grimrail is a bad dungeon

it's that it's an utterly terrible m+ dungeon

[chilly brook]

Everbloom would be way worse

[chrome falcon]

no

[chilly brook]

Yes lol

[chrome falcon]

everbloom is actually decent m+ design

interesting bosses

open area

lots of routes you could take

[hazy edge]

big aoe cause high mob count

[chrome falcon]

yeah

[chilly brook]

Brother I remember the pug runs in Everbloom

It was a shit show

[chrome falcon]

sure

because it wasn't real content

it was a chore

tweak it a bit and crank that shit up to +25 and put some gamers in it

and it'd be a fun puzzle to figure out

docks is a solid dungeon

woulda been my third or fourth pick behind everbloom, skyreach and BSM

[oblique garnet]

When are they coming?

[chrome falcon]

uh

3 more resets?

but yeah first week aug

2nd/3rd

[oblique garnet]

Is it time

[lucid pasture]

fuaarrr

any betters

[mighty valley]

they can change mob design for m+ but can't really change layout

[lucid pasture]

whats the highest dung level?

[mighty valley]

so everbloom would be salvageable

but i'm not sure grimrail can be saved

[lucid pasture]

you think only 32?

im kinda hoping we see 33+

maybe from chinese 7headers

[chilly brook]

peeps during legion had other ideas lol

I don't think it was bad

but man the bitching about getting a high kara key

[chrome falcon]

i HATED lower kara

toss coin

no thanks

[chilly brook]

At least it wasn't SoT

[chrome falcon]

what's that

[chilly brook]

seat

[chrome falcon]

never heard of it

[chilly brook]

good

[chrome falcon]

sounds fake to me

you're gonna tell me something dumb like

that it had randomly patrolling stealth mobs

[chilly brook]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QehsKVJ4LoU

[chrome falcon]

and a randomly patroling second boss

[chilly brook]

cancer ass dungeon

[chrome falcon]

nah sounds fake

false video

blizz would never make a dungeon that bad 🙂

[chilly brook]

warlock doing negative damage on first pull

[chrome falcon]

so many runs ended on that first pull

those first packs were just ridiculous

[mighty valley]

i know i'm in a unique position but i only ever run dungeons with friends

so i don't really care if they're jank, it's fun to get your ass beat sometimes

and we're not like. ultra sweaty about it

but yeah, some of these are not gonna be fun to pug without some serious change

[chilly brook]

how about when people reset the boss when fixated

[chrome falcon]

nah man because now you've reminded me of the dungeon

just because i disagreed with you about bfa prot

and you do this to me

you take it too far

ruined my whole night

[chilly brook]

Could be worse tbh

We could still be doing HoV and people failing to dodge dragons on first boss still

[mighty valley]

we're in luck, grimrail also has a dragon boss you can fail to dodge stuff on

[toxic pewter]

[robust surge]

am I supposed to use my precious shield slams on these explosives/

it hurts

I heroic throw if they're far

whats my other option 😦

[drifting fable]

if you have to SS it you have to SS it

its on you and the healer to generally make it work

[robust surge]

pain

[drifting fable]

you can try charge+auto but if your swing isnt ready it wont usually kill

[mellow bridge]

A melee should be enough to kill em if you don't have SS up

It's not ideal but better than letting em go off

[minor helm]

God it looks so bad

[desert solstice]

Thoughts on what to buy with the tokens in season 4?

Thinking of maiming prot warrior for it

[potent anvil]

I had a world first seat key done back in the day

[mighty valley]

probably the good trinkets tbh, weapons and shields are all pretty close

might get a gavel for offspec since it's one of a kind

[desert solstice]

Trinkets like what? Of course OWS. But should we still run scale or get a chest death trinket from fatescribe or kaelthas?

[mighty valley]

cheat deaths are only really worth it if you're really pushing hard content tbh. plus the two we'll be able to get will be pretty interchangeable

[urban portal]

OWS is the only mandatory one

rest is whatever

[mighty valley]

guess I'll wait on the math to see where OWS/Matrix/etc land

aegis for m+

[urban portal]

maybe RDM/aegis

but aegis and rdm more farmable than ows

[mighty valley]

yeah, prioritize last boss items

[urban portal]

heroic sylv was quite hard to pug

also it was long

and boring

[shut summit]

RDM/aegis/ows all good choices ye, problem is just praying to get them every 3 weeks is gona be lame

[urban portal]

we love 9.1

we love sanctum of domination

[shut summit]

fuck sanctum, gimme more trinkets like those though

[urban portal]

any brazy trinkets in the new m+

?

also i just realized

scale is rotating out but codex in

[shut summit]

any codexers

[urban portal]

a lot of codex questions

sheesh

[potent anvil]

Codex dn

[mighty valley]

i dunno if they're gonna tweak any of them, there's a lot of boring old stat trinkets

[shut summit]

27 diff rings

[chilly brook]

gib HFC as the new raid in season 4

Archimonde class trinket plz

I'm currently trying to gear up my rogue

this is wild man

under 10 keys are something special

I beat a 262 DH who has tier and double legendary when I have 0 tier, my 210 lego from s1 and am only 229

Hunter didn't know what lust was

DH had 5 kicks in the whole of DoS

I also got three 5 buff RTBs that run

[hazy edge]

still have 3 keys under 20 I need to do as well

[chilly brook]

I just bought myself a nice little fragrance mister

gonna sit on my desk

make my room smell pog

bro tell me about it

[hazy edge]

I've been too sporadic this season

[chilly brook]

our AC isn't working great

and it's a brand new house

[hazy edge]

there was an update today

[chilly brook]

but it's been like 104/105 the last few days

Texas is hot

sheeeeesh

my boi used to cloudy and wet innit?

[hazy edge]

It was 110 today where I'm at

and has been the last like 4 days

it's so bad

ye

It doesn't get below like 20C here unless a freak snowstorm comes in and knocks out the powergrid

It's midnight here and 31C

[onyx vessel]

[chilly brook]

fuck

I have the gold to upgrade my lego's but not the resources

[mighty valley]

you can send them all from mains

[toxic pewter]

With shrouded affix, are we basically expecting to take haste every run?

[onyx vessel]

Whats pwarr at now in subcreation

Talent tree waiting room

[hazy edge]

A good end to the night

[shut summit]

[urban portal]

wouldve been vers before they nerfed it

vers was insane

[hazy edge]

Nah probably would have been haste still even before they nerfed vers. That much haste would have made banner uptime sooooooo much easier.

[chilly brook]

it's hard?

[urban portal]

Yeah literally no reason to not take vers

Only reason vers isn’t bis is because it’s expensive

But if you are getting 2% regardless, vers is the best

[vernal vale]

My horde warrior with no tier

I was sad I didn't have better banner time.

It's only a 220ilvl toon

Forgot I have my auto log addon set up lol

[orchid frigate]

with the new deterministic gearing system from raids in next season, will you be able to get tokens from heroic that lets you upgrade an item to mythic or do you need to raid on a mythic level for that?

[jolly granite]

What would a prot warrior choose? OWS and shard + x?

Sorry, what’s RDM?

Ah okay, thank you!

Had that on my Paladin really liked it!

[chilly brook]

@sick sentinel double legendary acquired, I think it’s time to start doing some rat keys

Uhhh I think it’s windtools?

Idk might not be

But pretty sure it is

[tame jasper]

both legos on jewelery?

waste of stats

[chilly brook]

I don’t even have tier chill

[tame jasper]

send ur flux to the char and craft it at forge in ZM

[jolly granite]

Neck is recommended in the class discord

[chilly brook]

With what season 3 gear?

[chilly brook]

Also this

Rouge kinda funky

[tame jasper]

sad rogues 😄

[chilly brook]

A lot of people did jewelry for a lot of classes at the start of the tier for max flexibility with tier

Just recrafted later

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I think the neck Lego is either neck/chest

With neck recommended

I had to pvp to get that Lego too

Pvp on a low gear toon with no vers is uhhh

Yea

Fax

[terse fiber]

prot war in ashran... people who dont play prot warriors dont understand how strong they are if the player knows what theyre doing

[strong forum]

[dawn canyon]

this is so funny to me as germans use kelleck as an insult

[tough inlet]

you know strange germans 🤔

[dawn canyon]

younger ones

[tough inlet]

never heard that word as an insult 🤷‍♂️

[dawn canyon]

someone is a kelleck but its like nothing major more like a towards friends typa deal

[strong forum]

Sounds like some zoomer shit

Cuz I ain't heard of it

[dawn canyon]

it originates in turkish afaik so its a bit like baba n stuff that goes into zoomer lingo

[strong forum]

I know that Kevin is an insult

Ah see where i grew up we didn't have any Turkish kids

[dawn canyon]

Kevin is an elite insult

sadly stopped

[narrow fog]

Why are hunter trees getting so much attention?

There is 2 separate wowhead articles

About changes and complaints...

[narrow fog]

Why are german kids speaking turkish

Like not even the turkish ones

[dawn canyon]

because we have a bunch of turkish kids and it blends in

[narrow fog]

Some blonde mfer with blue eyes saying bismillah

Bruh

[dawn canyon]

its just the way it is

[narrow fog]

Sad

[dawn canyon]

wdym sad i think its funny

[chrome falcon]

… is it?

[narrow fog]

I live in a region of the Balkans that was under Muslim occupation for 500 years. We also kept some of the words in the local dialects, but using them to sound "cool" seems stupid and not really respectful to the muslims that are left here.

[ionic fern]

Take this as a warning of your topics @narrow fog .

[chrome falcon]

you guys got any spare copium to keep me believing we get our talents today

I’m running low

hook me up

good I don’t need brain cells I just need apm

[strong forum]

The is exceedingly strong

[chrome falcon]

What’s giving me pause is like

If they’re really gonna drip feed us all these talents

Where does that leave alpha

[dawn canyon]

the bin

[jagged pier]

apprently its today

[dawn canyon]

[chrome falcon]

Or when we get alpha do we just get like 7 talent lists at once

[jagged pier]

well thats what ppl keep saying

[chrome falcon]

Or are some classes not gonna even BE on alpha

Very weird

[dawn canyon]

today i will log on alpha and play warrior

:clueless:

[jagged pier]

[chrome falcon]

King copium there

[jagged pier]

hopefully i at least get beta

[ionic fern]

Who ever gets Alpha is my b*tch for a day.

[jagged pier]

[ionic fern]

Need info.

[dawn canyon]

alpha was only actively chosen frogs, right?

[sweet summit]

mine too

whoever gets alpha is streaming in voice for me

[dawn canyon]

i know a guy who does QA for blizz

but for the activision part

[sweet summit]

i'm high level, been level 60 for a while and i'm level 70 on tbc too!!

[ionic fern]

I got flamed on TBC yesterday cause i said i came from Retail.

[sweet summit]

[dawn canyon]

why didnt you say you came from your mothers womb

i was never remotely funny to begin with

and if ur humor is already below anything

it cant fall off further

right??

[ionic fern]

Same.

[dawn canyon]

ye mwahi did

[ionic fern]

I'm also Orange,.

You diddn't say orange.

[dawn canyon]

they would never release an unfinished alpha build

they did actually

they moved some shit for hunter trees

[ionic fern]

Unfinished classes are disabled.

[dawn canyon]

sad!

[ionic fern]

Good thing prot isn't unfinished.

[sweet summit]

wonder if they will permanently disable warlock

that would be cool

[ionic fern]

Would be weird yeah,.

Same.

Mad and sad.

[dawn canyon]

smadge

[ionic fern]

Just straight to live.

[dawn canyon]

presenting the mix of sadge and madge ... smadge

>

he has these funny "ears"

[sweet summit]

:sada

[dawn canyon]

yes i am aware

thats why i like it

need copege feelsstrong and popcorn

[ionic fern]

Imagine..if someone could..add them.

[dawn canyon]

:clueless:

surely someone adds anything

just like they'll add talent trees to alpha

[ionic fern]

I can do that.

If you want.,

[strong forum]

It'll cost you dearly

[ionic fern]

I'm half orange

So half as bad as blues.

But im forgetful

So i might forget to unmute.

[dawn canyon]

anyone member @vagrant mountain function

that was such a good april fools one

i think it was like 3 years ago at this point

but on april first

you @ someone

and it pinged a random person in the server

and you couldnt even disable it via no @ here/every1 perms

[dawn canyon]

5 even

[ionic fern]

What is chatting gif?

[dawn canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/chatting-bean-twitch-gif-22634143

[chrome falcon]

For sure I get alpha this time

FOR SURE

I will get alpha and be a voice for all those who refuse to play meta tanks

The only alpha/beta access I ever got playing since TBC was BFA

And I somehow feel like some of my colourful feedback I posted about that one might have been ignored

I deserve better than this

Doesn’t blizzard know who I am

[ionic fern]

I Got OW2 beta

[chrome falcon]

An entire world of 5 tank keys

[ionic fern]

That's soemthing

[chrome falcon]

I remember during GW2 beta me and the boys would all go obsessively check our emails in the computer labs during lunch at school

Please blizz just give me alpha so I can have all my feedback ignored again and feel self righteous when the class is unplayable

Oh fuck yeah

[ionic fern]

This one made the cut.

[dawn canyon]

me when apb take

[cobalt seal]

We free of apb today?

[dawn canyon]

No sighting yet sir

I just copied the name popcorn had in the other server but ill be reflavoured eventually

FeelsStrong coulda been named :legion:

YEP

Ronin posts anything

I suggested it

[sick sentinel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148897941883584512/997087406626975744/chatting.gif

[sweet summit]

[strong forum]

Hoho

[jagged pier]

the fuck is offtopic doing in here

[dawn canyon]

[jagged pier]

[fast smelt]

prot warr worth playing or nah?

be honest with me i can take it

hell yeah thank you lady gaga

[strong forum]

Very punishing if you play poorly tho*

Hard to play, hard to master kind of spec

[jagged pier]

we tier now

[wild hemlock]

twitter cant even handle wowhead alpha rumors today

[cobalt seal]

Poor trump

On suicide watch

[wild hemlock]

dont even bring politics up. i never see it here and will cry if i do

[cobalt seal]

I was talking about the hs player

[wild hemlock]

thank fuck

[minor helm]

Sometimes ur just

[jagged pier]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148897941883584512/997087406626975744/chatting.gif

[cobalt seal]

:beartoxic:

[sweet summit]

[quick elk]

Is there some round about numbers I should be looking to hit, regarding shield block uptime, intervene, and blocked melee hits?

I guess I’m asking because I over gear 15’s and 20+ keys I can only really get into with my guildies .

So jumping into lower keys to practice, however I don’t ever feel like I’m going to die. So looking for some check I can look at to make sure I’m still playing well.

[dawn canyon]

the number you wanna look at is banner uptime and blocked hit % also rage wasted

intervene should be used on cd

[quick elk]

What sorta banner uptime is would be bad? And what should blocked hits be at? I think I’m normally around 60% .

[modern brook]

With the offensive talent set up you should hit upper 80s pretty consistently

85~ is thrown around a lot

[quick elk]

I meant 60% blocked hits. My banner uptime I’ve not actually been checking . I will do now…or did you mean 85% blocked hits?

[modern brook]

Yeah

85% blocked hits

[quick elk]

Oh crap

Thank , gotta a lot to improve on in my practice keys then!

[strong forum]

Banner uptime and blocked hits should be north of 80%

Then you're in the "you're doing good" department

Higher is always better

[zealous willow]

It is worth to make 291 leges to alt now or only cheap ones , cus we dont know what will happen with them in s4 ?

[strong forum]

291s are fairly cheap imo

They're only like 20k

[zealous willow]

yeah but they cost other stuff too 😄

[strong forum]

But if your pockets can't/won't afford then cheaper stuff will do the trick

The power is the important part

[zealous willow]

is it strange that we still dont have info abt leges

;/

[cobalt seal]

Is it?

New player?

[zealous willow]

im not new player

but they must put some info , not in the last moment

[waxen orbit]

What are you saying?

[zealous willow]

Do u know how we will upgrade the leges ilvl next season

like new base item that will cost more gold or just soul cinders and stuff ?

[drifting fable]

there is no information about that yet

[zealous willow]

that was my question

and i said its strange that we dont have info yet

[drifting fable]

🤷‍♂️

small indie company

[wild hemlock]

im stuck in the 64-70% banner. i also dont push high keys. 20-22s

i jsut cant seem to get much better

[jagged pier]

i mean i dont push and get 90%+ so theres def room for improvment

[wild hemlock]

im also a monka ele shaman main that isnt the best router or tank per say

so idk if im not chain pulling well enough or what

[zealous willow]

U cap rage and dont waste in time

or u generate low rage

[wild hemlock]

i feel wasted rage is minimal

[zealous willow]

like making spell prio mistakes

[wild hemlock]

but still there

[strong forum]

feel

[cobalt seal]

Thinking Blizzard has to do anything

[jagged pier]

where alpha?

[strong forum]

In my inbox

|| not||

[jagged pier]

[signal plover]

[wild hemlock]

hopefully soon jakey

[sick sentinel]

what other classes do you guys play when not warrior

[cobalt seal]

evoker

[sick sentinel]

yogi used 🛡️ on cro, its super effective! 100% block rate

[dawn canyon]

Shaman

[cobalt seal]

poor yogi

still thinks

I care about him blocking me

[waxen orbit]

Beefin in a public disc

[sick sentinel]

shaman huh?

[wild hemlock]

ele shaman main. 270 prot pally and a 260 blood dk which i hate

[sick sentinel]

i know they are good for healers, but lets be real, u all seen my tanking, i dont think u want to see me healing

[wild hemlock]

play ele dps

you chain lightning earthshock and earthquake

im eyeing up fire mage for s4 though

[sick sentinel]

both 291's on mage, well, an arcane one, but that soul stuff is a joke to get and the flux too

[dawn canyon]

Reverse this essentially. Main warrior alt ele

[sick sentinel]

1 lfr 2k, literal 1 console change gear in ZM or 1 291 piece for 1 lfr, +its supposed to be transferable too like soul ash/cinder

[dawn canyon]

Gearing is very easy now

[wild hemlock]

bro i hate our tier set for m+

i loveeeeee our ST flow right now though

[dawn canyon]

I dont really notice the cdr

I havent raided on ele yet

But in key St it's neat

Perma ele essentially

[wild hemlock]

not as fun in m+ ST

but damn does necro feel good in raid

[sick sentinel]

enhance is more fun

[dawn canyon]

Enha is what id raid with

[sick sentinel]

but ele is clearly the correct path

[dawn canyon]

But enha in keys is not for me

[wild hemlock]

enhance requires playing melee in these ass dungeons

[sick sentinel]

ele is what a shaman is SUPPOSED to be

imho

[dawn canyon]

Enha fuck good in st

[wild hemlock]

i tried playing melee for a month or two of this patch. it aint happening

shits hard

[dawn canyon]

Also great apm

[sick sentinel]

absorbs the earth magics and uses it to his will

[dawn canyon]

I mean im Main fury so that's no issue but compared to fury fire nova is sooo bad

[modern brook]

Good

Get out of melee

More space for me to (not) play

[dawn canyon]

Ranged in keys is pretty chill

[sick sentinel]

which fire leggo

[dawn canyon]

Disciplinary or skb

[wild hemlock]

MELEE IS SO HARD IN KEYS AFTER PLAYING RANGED ALL EXPAC LMAO

like legit. props to you melee guys

[dawn canyon]

SD especially

[wild hemlock]

you cant see shit. all the mob plates in your face

fuck that

[dawn canyon]

SD sucks for me on ele too since silence Spam

[wintry nymph]

he'll unblock anyway like last time

xd