But as like a raid CD for your phys dps
#protection
rotund terrace
wait what? rogues got more utility?
chrome falcon
Outlaw yeah
karmic plinth
inspiring presence as a node after indomitable 
chrome falcon
(I don’t actually think we should get sunder back im just playing too much TBC)
Inspiring presence was nuts
Ez healing logs if your dps were good
sweet summit
was that the raid heal
lofty widget
thats the party wide leech?
lofty widget
jesus
rotund terrace
jesus-wide
chrome falcon
3% leech for all the homies
lofty widget
we really turned to shit in the recent expansions huh
sweet summit
chrome falcon
Certainly lost some utility since the days of having 3 extremely strong raid CDs
errant oriole
I like the prot war wishlist 😄
lofty widget
alpha tomorrow (?) and we hopefully get to see the actual tree
chrome falcon
Yes!
rotund terrace
we might see some talent trees today
chrome falcon
Has it been 1 week since hunter rogue?
lofty widget
they release them in fridays usually i think
rotund terrace
probably haven't released warrior because it's already perfect and doesn't need feedback
lofty widget
highly unlikely seeing how prot launched in 8.0 and 9.0
rotund terrace
yea but 10.0 is double digits
rotund terrace
^
sweet summit
highly unlikely seeing how prot launched in 8.0 and 9.0
sweet summit
i want to forget 
lofty widget
CHARGE too??? good lord
lofty widget
glad i didnt play warr back then
candid path
Dozens of people did.
sweet summit
at least we still had intercept back then
candid path
You have me there.
modern brook
Hi it's me
Man arguing for ip on gcd
Though my argument was bigger
Make ip a cooldown akin to demo shout
strong forum
I might remember incorrectly but I seem to remember that SB was on GCD for like 1 day on the beta
Actual horror
But also, die reprisal die
errant oriole
why don't they just give prot wars something like bear tanks had forr magic back in legion? 😛
sick sentinel
if they keep reprisal for some reason re-work the way charge works longer range or no minimum range to charge
chrome falcon
well
jagged pier
oh a spammable magic DR
chrome falcon
because that shit was so op that even bear wasn't allowed it
jagged pier
sound s balanced
errant oriole
haha well make it have a cool down like current shield block 😄
sick sentinel
minimum range can suck on boss, not so bad on trash
chrome falcon
but that's just spell reflect sir
sick sentinel
cuz, bosses can't be slowed or cc'd normally
chrome falcon
using reprisals on m+ bosses is extremely easy
jagged pier
which is already pretty busted
chrome falcon
there are like 2 or 3 where it's awkward
errant oriole
well true haha
chrome falcon
it's just annoying
sick sentinel
i just hated the minimum range aspect because on a boss you can't slow them, so it almost requires waiting for a spell cast or leap
errant oriole
btw for season 4 do you think the build will be the same for prot wars as it is now?
jagged pier
yes
lofty widget
having minimum range on charge is part of what made rep fun
lofty widget
if you could just press charge whenever and get 40 rage+sb+revenge it would be braindead boring
strong forum
And if they remove minimum range on charge, pwar will easily OP
rotund terrace
would remove the fun of leaping out and charging back in
strong forum
Wouldn't be braindead boring, we would finally be on an even playing field in terms of effort compared to other tanks
errant oriole
are you saying prot should charge from the other side of the map? 😛
sick sentinel
yes
errant oriole
kidding of course
rotund terrace
heroic leap clap and charge applies IP please
strong forum
But most of the difficulty from pwar does come from reprisal, and just the sheer APM
errant oriole
I did see some prot wars using the wall
jagged pier
they are wrong
jagged pier
no keks just true
sick sentinel
i can still remember people when cata released, worgen trying to say its a bad word cuz its something else spelled different
errant oriole
omg i forgot all about that yogi lol
modern brook
haha well make it have a cool down like current shield block 😄
You're describing spell reflect
sick sentinel
acting like blizzard did it intentionally or something ... both sides of that were cringe
errant oriole
well true
modern brook
It's actually been so long
That I forgot they just gave us reprisal instead of fixes to the class's issuues
sweet summit
candid path
But also, die reprisal die
'It's German for "the Bart, the"'
candid path
That I forgot they just gave us reprisal instead of fixes to the class's issuues
Yeah, and the moment people realized 'Hey, this is really good!' on the Alpha, they nerfed it from 6 seconds of SB down to 4.
modern brook
Iirc at 6s it was trivial to keep perma block up
candid path
AND?
chrome falcon
and here we come to the issue once again
it should be easy to have perma block
but block is so fucking strong that blizz doesn't want to give us that
candid path
the class would be better if it did
lofty widget
is it really that strong? i mean isnt it kind of our whole deal
candid path
the reality is that even if warrior had permablock as it's built and tuned right now, it still wouldn't even compete with Monk and DK in terms of damage smoothing in prog raiding
M+ is a different discussion, I'll grant that
errant oriole
I mean ... make the dks tank spec frost instead of blood
no more tank self heals 😦
healers are getting lazy as it is
chrome falcon
i guess that's the thing
strong forum
Any tank that doesn't have 100% uptime on AM is generally considered pretty weak..
candid path
healers have been lazy and angry since MoP
chrome falcon
you cannot miss a block on progression mythic raiding
strong forum
Especially in the world of m+
sick sentinel
'It's German for "the Bart, the"'
dunno exact origins of this quote
but this is how i know it
modern brook
Prolly Shakespeare
chrome falcon
man, that episode is older than i am? that's wild
candid path
actually, that's the wrong ep, iirc is the one where Bob runs for mayor or something
sick sentinel
you get to kill hitler wearing a mechasuit in this episode and his head falls off all gruesome like
candid path
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sideshow_Bob_Roberts golden age Simpsons was quite a show
sick sentinel
i can still remember watching when ned flanders was the canonical evil season 1
candid path
that's quite a long time ago
pallid finch
What’s your typical opener? Charge/leap, and then Clap?
lofty widget
What’s your typical opener? Charge/leap, and then Clap?
rav>charge>ava>SS>clap/revenge>revenge
and IP to avoid overcapping in between
chrome falcon
opening with clap is trolling
you're gonna have a revenge proc on pull because of rep
deft hinge
Protection Warrior is the OG tank in World of Warcraft, and it has a deeply loyal fanbase. ahh Llarold, u hit my old, never swaying prot heart starting like this!
strong forum
Cuz any kind of chip dmg can rip threat if you don't hit with rev
lofty widget
well thats why you pre rav
strong forum
If you pre-rav you lose 1 tick of ravager
As I've found out like 4 weeks ago
I still do it from time to time, but for more dmg you wanna rav after charge :/
deft hinge
@candid path
Anger Management in BFA also reduced the cooldowns of Demoralizing Shout and Last Stand
didnt it reduce SW aswell?
man im gettin old
chrome falcon
i thought they removed DS from it in bfa
sick sentinel
i don't like to ping people very often i find it rude or something
strong forum
It is
chrome falcon
there are some people in here who think that the only way to have a conversation with someone to by replying to literally every single thing they say
it's
great 🙂
(that shot wasn't aimed at nomer, sometimes you literally get pinged by the same person like 10 times in 5 minutes please god no-one do that)
sick sentinel
i think thats more like unwritten-unspoken social contract
its like the very base of having a social relation ship with respect
candid path
<@86385924853747712>
Anger Management in BFA also reduced the cooldowns of Demo...
it did, it still does
deft hinge
very nice article @candid path
keep up the good work!! 👍🏻
median tulip
The main thing - which you don't touch on at all - was the synergy between Deafening Crash, the then-extant version of Avatar, Demoralizing Shout and Anger Management
The basic thing that I hope the Devs understand is this: Protection Warrior is fun when it features a self-reinforcing Rage feedback loop via Anger Management
topaz field
yes but imo the current tier set is a birth fail
couz u at many points have too much rage
median tulip
whether that's the BfA version above or the current version with Conqueror's Banner
topaz field
i dont think this is intended in the design
median tulip
couz u at many points have too much rage
Ignore Pain moar
topaz field
ye but where is the sense in spamming ip while u still sit on one
dawn canyon
ignore the cap
topaz field
or that
dawn canyon
wasing rage is far worse
median tulip
ye but where is the sense in spamming ip while u still sit on one
Ignore Pain is a button that decreases the Cooldown on Avatar and Shield Wall; the absorb is just a side benefit
topaz field
i know i know but that is bad design
if u have to press a button that doesnt make u any tankier
just that u get the AM cdr
stone spoke
Ignore pain doesn't make u any tankier? Did I read right
median tulip
even if IP stacked infinitely, the AM CDR is more valuable
Ignore Pain is actually kinda bad; we care about the effects, not the buff itself
topaz field
why dont i get another offensive button then
or anything that is not useless to pres
chrome falcon
Ignore Pain is actually kinda bad; we care about the effects, not the buff itsel...
that's exactly his point...
like that's literally what he just said
median tulip
by "effects" I mean Anger Management
topaz field
its kinda stupid to press ip 9 times during LS
chrome falcon
our main rage dump doesn't do anything but dump rage
topaz field
thats not a good design
chrome falcon
that's the problem
lol no it's not "bad design" to spam ignore pain a lot
that's fine
the problem is that ignore pain doesn't do anything on its own
chrome falcon
oh my god yeah man i don't
holy crap
does anyone know how to read what the other person
is saying
pressing ignore pain 9 times
is not bad
errant oriole
I do wish thunderlord leggo wasnt bad though haha
topaz field
correct
thats my only point and nothing else
im not saying IP is useless or anything else
median tulip
I do wish thunderlord leggo wasnt bad though haha
Basically, at the end of BfA Bliz broke the Thunderclap spam build that had predominated in BfA by removing Demo Shout from the Anger Management effect. You used to run a feedback loop of Demoshout > Avatar > Thunderclap spam
If Bliz put Demo Shout back into AM then we would have a build there
errant oriole
true 😄
chrome falcon
i'm pretty bored of feedback loop warrior
median tulip
In my view, feedback loop is what makes this class fun
chrome falcon
my fingers hurt man
sweet summit
stop being old
errant oriole
lol
median tulip
The other thing I wish @candid path had put in that article is a plea for some mob displacement abilities. We could really use Shrieking Flagon and/or Dragon Charge being available
median tulip
When I first got Shrieking Flagon in Torghast I was overjoyed. I had hoped that power would appear outside Torghast, but it never happened
earnest canyon
8 second*
onyx vessel
topaz field
ye warrior is > rogue in one field thats tanking
onyx vessel
we had stormbolt + shockwave on all warrior specs was op
for pvp
hence we bin
cuz pvp exists and blizzard is dumb
topaz field
i personally found the utility of bfa warrior too much
sweet summit
no just remove pvp
topaz field
especially for m+
its not fair u have the shortest aoe stun and one of the shortest ST stunts
onyx vessel
wow pvp has a esport
sweet summit
the only thing we lost was thunderstruck, and that was niche?
or am i missing something
onyx vessel
raiding has the community made esport
mdi is where the they actually do something
pvp aint getting removed
sick sentinel
problem i have with AWC and MDI is it's so far removed from what i do in pvp or keys that its like these people are from other planet
sweet summit
there are a lot of good things they can do
so i am looking forward to seeing how badly they fuck it up
sick sentinel
it just doesn't feel like anything me or the people im talking to are close to this level those players are at
topaz field
problem i have with AWC and MDI is it's so far removed from what i do in pvp or ...
well doesnt that fit to any professional sports?
errant oriole
I mean personally I have all the tanks 270+ in wow but I feel BDK, brewmaster, paladin to be boring, then again I like the old school feel a prot war has out of all the tanks imo.
cinder storm
Yogi, let's say you and your friends are bored to death of doing 15s-17s and you get put in a competition where you get to do 10s as fast as you guys can, that's the MDI
wild hemlock
make ravager pull 1 mob in to every 1 sec or something
errant oriole
Do you think there would be as much of a meta if wow wasn't so esporty?
wild hemlock
thats what i want
onyx vessel
brewmaster isnt boring 
errant oriole
they turned kegsmash into death strike -_-
strong forum
Wow-meta chasing has become more and more of a thing through m+, 100%
cinder storm
Brew is kinda boring
onyx vessel
so is every tank other then prot war if you played it
jagged pier
brew is giga boring
onyx vessel
basically get slapped heal tanks
strong forum
I didn't play pve from cata until mid legion, but I do believe meta chasing didn't really exist when the only content you had was raiding
earnest canyon
Boredom is subjective you guys
onyx vessel
pwarr dont get slapped dont need healing
sick sentinel
maybe boring isn't so bad
cinder storm
Tbh yeah, bdk is least boring than the others but yeah, most are a anoozefest
onyx vessel
errant oriole
imo frost should be the tank spec for DK's
sick sentinel
bring back corpse explode
strong forum
When I first played dk in wrath I thought frost was the tank spec
sick sentinel
because it had shit to do with icebound fortitude and i think the runeweapon you used for it helped with tank maybe
it was torn between if that or blood was the tank spec was heated debate for a month or so
strong forum
I don't recall, was only bebi
chrome falcon
you could tank on any dk spec
cinder storm
I remember very little, didn't you had access to three runes colors at the same time?
strong forum
Yes
toxic pewter
Two of each
strong forum
2 unholy 2 frost 2 blood runes
onyx vessel
now you cant cuz you can get crit as a dps/healer
sick sentinel
wasnt there a unholy frost stance like thing for dk
strong forum
Yes
sick sentinel
aura possibly
strong forum
Blood/unholy/frost presence
And frost at first was the tank presence
For more threat and so on
iirc
craggy sorrel
frost was never the best tanking spec
strong forum
Nobody said anything about best
craggy sorrel
ah ok
strong forum
But at the very first it was sold as the tank spec iirc
I could be wrong but that's what I thought at the time of wrath release
craggy sorrel
when people say stuff like frost or unholy tank, they usually refer to a hybrid build which picked up specific talents from frost and UH and still went deep into blood for stuff like rune tap, vamp blood, etc.
sick sentinel
you had a ton of paladins who re-rolled into DK cuz arthas
craggy sorrel
and those hybrid builds were only used on specific bosses
cough cough sartharion 3d
strong forum
Like I mentioned before, I never hit max lvl on dk, at any point in the game
errant oriole
idk during wrath i mained a bear tank 😄
strong forum
But when I first played dk as an alt in wrath, frost appeared to me to be the tank spec
craggy sorrel
idk during wrath i mained a bear tank 😄
bear was solid back then, and easy to play
sick sentinel
why not dk? too edgy boi for u?
strong forum
Just didn't like it
errant oriole
I had a dk idk just liked bears style haha
dawn canyon
Still does
craggy sorrel
mangle, maul and swipe
dawn canyon
craggy sorrel
nah
errant oriole
btw in that article that was written I do like the suggestion to make shield block like the bears iron fur 😄
craggy sorrel
it's better now
errant oriole
that would rock
craggy sorrel
not even comparable
craggy sorrel
atleast there is some active mitigation
strong forum
We've had dozens of iterations of pwar
sick sentinel
assassination rogue in wrath has 2 buttons, mutlitate and envenom
strong forum
And tanks have historically been the best when they had 100% uptime on mitigation
craggy sorrel
assassination rogue in wrath has 2 buttons, mutlitate and envenom
rotation is mutilate x2 envenom
u just put SnD up first
and auto refresh, gg best single target in game until ulduar
/clap
errant oriole
before this 4 set bdk werent too great >_>
sick sentinel
could be harder than it sounds to do but easy overall
craggy sorrel
whatever you do, don't play pwarr in wotlk classic
dawn canyon
Pre 4p BDK is hella fun
sick sentinel
big trouble for that spec was just getting close to be auto attacking
craggy sorrel
the amount of hate u will get is insane
dawn canyon
Venthyr n shit
errant oriole
i tanked with a prot war back in wrath he did fine 😛
craggy sorrel
i tanked with a prot war back in wrath he did fine 😛
you are not ready for the pserver andies
errant oriole
he didnt stam stack though he went for avoidance
strong forum
I ain't playing any form of classic
craggy sorrel
because pwarr does indeed suck for 3.3.5a due to lack of any block gear
but for 3.0 and 3.1 it's fine
but go and tell that to people who play on warmane kek
strong forum
Well wrath is releasing in 3.3
craggy sorrel
no
strong forum
So yeh
strong forum
Ah
craggy sorrel
has tons of block value and rating gear
errant oriole
btw what happened to tank notes why is it not complete?
craggy sorrel
making prot warr actually good
apart from having no real utility other than keeping sunder armor up
strong forum
btw what happened to tank notes why is it not complete?
@gaunt dawn
craggy sorrel
meanwhile paladin can go divine guardian, aura mastery, has buffs
like it's not even close
craggy sorrel
rogue is stupidly good for dps for raids in wrath
it's good, but not stupidly good
sick sentinel
not to mention everythinge undead
craggy sorrel
it has pretty crap AoE or burst cleave
gaunt dawn
Howdy
sick sentinel
i had no issues at all getting in raids in wrath
dawn canyon
it has pretty crap AoE or burst cleave
No spec can have everything
strong forum
Where full sepulchre notes :modcheck:
craggy sorrel
i had no issues at all getting in raids in wrath
i didn't say that
sick sentinel
i could get in pretty much any raid i wanted as rogue
strong forum
Hate when that happens
gaunt dawn
But i've been giving out info in the discord 🙂
craggy sorrel
that can turn u down
gaunt dawn
I plan on doing Jailer this week, but in a weird way
Going to do a commentary of my kill this week
wild hemlock
Pre 4p BDK is hella fun
way more fun than the current dk IMO
dawn canyon
Agreed
wild hemlock
heart strike spam makes me want to puke
gaunt dawn
@errant oriole👋
covert topaz
As prot, is there a point I should stop going haste?
errant oriole
@gaunt dawn /wave
dawn canyon
heart strike spam makes me want to puke
Well you still did but venthyr was cooler
strong forum
As prot, is there a point I should stop going haste?
40% is generally the spot where you want to avoid getting any more haste
covert topaz
ty
strong forum
Before any % buffs like ITF*
wild hemlock
Well you still did but venthyr was cooler
tbf not like now though
mild sapphire
ITF vs rav in m+?
dawn canyon
Rav
sick sentinel
DK should be more the parry spec
strong forum
Rav
dawn canyon
Itf is raid spec
sick sentinel
cuz it litterally make sense that the dk relies on his armor or his blade to protect him from melee attacks
mild sapphire
That’s what I thought.
sick sentinel
warior has his shield and i don't think parry should be a huge factor for us
mild sapphire
Don’t like rav for some reason. Maybe bc low on haste or just another button vs passive.
dawn canyon
cuz it litterally make sense that the dk relies on his armor or his blade to pro...
Bone armor and deathstrike makes sense not perma double rune wep
dawn canyon
Don’t like rav for some reason. Maybe bc low on haste or just another button vs ...
Press it before charging in
strong forum
Reprisal covers for the lack of haste a huge deal
dawn canyon
Bone armor and deathstrike makes sense not perma double rune wep
Thematically for me
strong forum
And itf isn't guaranteed to be at 5 stacks at all times
In raid it is, but not in m+
When you play meta comp, on bosses you'll only have 3 stacks
Which is a massive fucking loss
dawn canyon
Rav is great threat too
mild sapphire
Hadn’t thought about bosses. Good point. That is a big loss.
sick sentinel
ravager baseline at least for prot
strong forum
I don't care about it
dawn canyon
Bay zed
strong forum
I just play whatever does more dmg
sick sentinel
yeah we use that stat stick as a literal crutch
dawn canyon
Debatable
sick sentinel
to prop out selves up move forward
errant oriole
is it me or is blizzards anti magic thinking just add more health?
dawn canyon
For pwar?
errant oriole
for any tank
strong forum
The anti-magic thinking is blizzards attempt and trying to make tanks rely more on healers than anybody wants
errant oriole
I get bdks have ams and all as well
strong forum
Except they get unequal treatment
errant oriole
I mean I wish healers would not be so lazy and do their jobs more but they yell at you if you need heals >_>
lots of people are trying to copy mdi too much imo
dawn canyon
We are prolly the best anti physical tank and best anti magic is eluding me rn
chrome falcon
lucky paladins are pretty good vs magic
toxic pewter
Vdh pretty good too
errant oriole
vdh isnt too great at physical though same with bdk outside of 4 set
toxic pewter
Bdk
strong forum
Bdk is by far the best against magic rn cuz of infinite rune power
They legit don't give a fuck if it's physical or magic
toxic pewter
Ya
strong forum
As long as they don't get 1shot they just DS
ocean yoke
ams is fucking cracked too
strong forum
Ams is dumb that it's a straight up debuff immunity
errant oriole
personally I thought the 4 set for brm was funny considering before the 4 set they needed baby sat by heals 😛
strong forum
We've been screaming since ptr that the tierset is OP and degenerate
And well
Here we are
Brew got from moderately hard to very easy
sick sentinel
debuff immunity for arms?
toxic pewter
Ams anti magic shell for dk
errant oriole
so for giggles i tried kyrian again on my war and... I immediately went back to necro lmao
sick sentinel
oh i thought u said arms
toxic pewter
Ya looks similar
sick sentinel
magic shell or something in wc3? it was WAY worse in wc3 (more powerful i think)
toxic pewter
Ya the death knight ability
topaz field
personally I thought the 4 set for brm was funny considering before the 4 set th...
brew never needed a special healing attention if played properly
errant oriole
Well true
urban portal
personally I thought the 4 set for brm was funny considering before the 4 set th...
thats literally what people say about prot warrior
and thats just false for most tanks
waxen orbit
I swear to fucking Christ if they bring back Thundergod or UF play style I’m blowing my goddamn brains out
strong forum
Same
blazing condor
Multiple viable ways to play kthx
waxen orbit
i mean they can have the playstyle but let it have another one thats just as goo...
God I wish Blizz was capable of that still
jagged pier
well Uf need to be slightly worse as its brain dead to play
but can still be 'viable'
urban portal
multiple ways to play exist until borrowed power shoehorns you into 1 build
jagged pier
as they say
waxen orbit
Let it be viable for the brain trauma addicts drooling over their IP + Revenge double cast macros and several Thunderclap keybinds
urban portal
remember when brew could go flaming legs
yeah thats gone now
or the their version of wall
urban portal
think thats just the bad part of borrowed power
itll always disproportionally benefit something
unless its dogshit like the arms set
narrow fog
I swear to fucking Christ if they bring back Thundergod or UF play style I’m blo...
Make sure to have the gun purchased then.
cerulean wyvern
in keys, is Unbreakable Will lego worthwhile since shield wall cooldown is so much shorter?
drifting fable
you want rage gen as much as possible for tier set, so reprisal is just best. youll get a decent chunk of CDR on SW anyways from AM+SG
urban portal
in keys, is Unbreakable Will lego worthwhile since shield wall cooldown is so mu...
its funny
but dying to white hits as prot warrior is not funny
there could be some tech you can do with unbreakble will in 30 pf
cerulean wyvern
what about thunderlord? would demoralizing shout be up 100% at that point?
drifting fable
i mean why do you not wanna run reprisal?
lofty widget
no cause it's capped at 4.5 sec cdr per tc
waxen orbit
If you don’t like doing any damage or living, then yeah, Thunderlord is your option
Just run Reprisal. Literally the only lego you need for all content
cerulean wyvern
what's the cooldown get to on avatar when running AM?
cerulean wyvern
cool, thanks
waxen orbit
Yeah it’s like 30-40
chrome falcon
you can chain avatars with BL+LS
carmine pine
i ran the wall lego on mythic jailer i regret nothing
def isnt as good as reprisal but idk i was vibing
carmine pine
i prefer reprisal for literally everthing else. just got tired of timing charges on mythic jailer so i swapped to tw for my mental
urban portal
Nothing wrong with that
carmine pine
also having my ranged dps die to dumb shit in p4 let me press execute more which was fun
chrome falcon
our first kill last week the boss cast 1 meteor cleave (which killed 7 people), did 1 bomb (which 2 people fucked up) and then just died
carmine pine
also having to be bopped in p4 so i dont rip aggro from my cotank was a vibe
cinder storm
carmine pine
minor helm
how do you die to anything in p4
Ask that to the people who also die in the first 40 seconds
carmine pine
game is just hard for some of our raid @minor helm
spiral warren
minor helm
cinder storm
There's a streamer I watch trying to kill jailer, and there's one raider that's always getting hit by swirlies, like people don't move with purpose or you see some people not following the ABC rule.
dark lark
HOPIUM
lofty widget
no we dont need good publicity 😦
sweet summit
pog gers champ ion !
dark lark
Andybrew leading the prot war cause
signal plover
patiently waiting for alpha prot channel
jagged pier
*patiently waiting for alpha prot channel*
bold nimbus
sick sentinel
https://tenor.com/view/kermit-darkside-star-wars-evil-innerme-gif-14818845
is that dk or paladin
or something else, can't chose warlock, already have lock
cinder storm
Paladin with venthyr xmog
sick sentinel
uhhhhhhh hrmm lessee
viral wasp
Hey guys, can some tell a ranking of 5 best trinkets for protection warrior in m+?
sick sentinel
i thought venthyr palad was for healer
mortal brook
Old warrior soul, aegis, whatever droptimizer says to use
hazy edge
Asa is a chat mod there idf if you are
Ye nomeratur is a huge help 👍 both of us were spamming Andy in dms during the interview 
viral wasp
Old warrior soul, aegis, whatever droptimizer says to use
ty
zinc shale
Realistically how long can you extend Banner in m+ runs?
lime plume
The conversation moved on but just going back to that prot warrior wish list, I’d like to see them change spell reflect so you can still only reflect one spell but the DR stays for the whole duration. Might really help with the caster packs that clap my cheeks or boss mechanics where you take a bit magic hit and then bleed/ticking damage afterwards. I don’t know if that’s “OP” but it seems like it would help fix the magic damage issues prot has without breaking spell reflect.
But I’m also a pretty casual player so I dunno
jagged pier
Realistically how long can you extend Banner in m+ runs?
indefinitively
lofty widget
Realistically how long can you extend Banner in m+ runs?
forever
dawn canyon
Good Job boys
zinc shale
the fuq, i must be doing something wrong
dawn canyon
Ye nomeratur is a huge help 👍 both of us were spamming Andy in dms during the i...
Meant to reply - gj bros
zinc shale
any quick guide to banner in m+?
lofty widget
dont overcap, use your rage gen abilities on cd
dawn canyon
any quick guide to banner in m+?
Last stand conduit and Zug Zug ip
Use reprisal to ur best ability and dont waste outbursts on tc 
sick sentinel
red light saber 100% venthyr
zinc shale
Last stand conduit and Zug Zug ip
holy fuck i think i missed that one
dawn canyon
Well then that alone is gonna be a big help
zinc shale
Yeah probably thanks xd
jagged pier
@signal plover @signal plover @signal plover @signal plover @signal plover
same
zinc shale
Is there any haste% thats somewhat required for the banner upkeep ?
jagged pier
no
cinder storm
Just need to play good
zinc shale
alright, just felt like a thing that would need a softcap or something for gcd 😛
median tulip
Haste helps, and more is always better
cinder storm
30-40 % is a comfortable bracket
signal plover
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Ayyy babbeyyyy
signal plover
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Ayyyyy babbbbyyyyy
median tulip
Is there any haste% thats somewhat required for the banner upkeep ?
For reference, at 278 this is how mine pan out:
signal plover
Who wouldda thought we'd be here, 2 years later, playing Necro in an unironic way
zinc shale
sort of like me, just no crit 😄
median tulip
You should definitely get more Crit xD
chilly brook
@candid path for blizzard class designer, yes please on that removal of IP in favor of getting damage shields from doing damage with your rage spenders
zinc shale
crit seems to be universally hated in the high key pushing though 😛
chilly brook
any quick guide to banner in m+?
always be pulling
Don’t be out of combat ever
Big pulls
Charge a lot
Press your buttons
That’s kinda it
zinc shale
Yeaaah think im doing that at least lol
chilly brook
That’s the secret to 80%+ uptime on banner in keys
If you don’t drop combat you can’t drop banner
ocean yoke
youll have some forced downtime from long movements between/rp sadly
chilly brook
^
But if you’re a goblin…..
You can make some nutty moves to keep in combat for long movements
Heroic leap+rocket jump off a cliff gets you some major ground
I’ve had a priest panic grip me out of a mob pack after doing that
ocean yoke
real gamers know leaper is the new op
chilly brook
And I’m like “bruh I have banner up in fine, you’re literally not healing me anyways”
Goblin honestly is kino
ocean yoke
once we have cross faction guilds i am swapping goblin actually
muted nexus
goblin
vulp
chilly brook
Vulpera is dumb
chilly brook
No I mean, and I will maintain this stance regardless of how nice it looks on paper, Nose for Trouble or whatever it’s called is misleading
It’s DR at the portion of a fight where you’re the most tanky to begin with
muted nexus
????????
muted nexus
you spend almost the entire dungeon chain pulling and rotating rage spent on revenge and other banner extension
muted nexus
not following
chilly brook
That first hit is always going to be blocked, it’s even worse this season because banner makes you even more insanely tanky
muted nexus
how is it always gonna be blocked omegalul
chilly brook
Are you not charging to get to the next mob?
chilly brook
You do run reprisal do you not?
chilly brook
So you just immediately expend both uses of charge at the beginning?
muted nexus
not at the beginning no
muted nexus
but you can't maintain banner without chargeweaving
chilly brook
Bruh I’m well aware of how to play banner
I was one of the first people this season with over 85% uptime in a key
chilly brook
End of the day
muted nexus
i get that furry isn't for everyone
toxic pewter
It’s fucked up Vulpera players have to deal with such racism. Never see Tauren players having to deal with the constant racism. It’s sad and pathetic.
chilly brook
Vulpera won’t make a difference in your keys
chilly brook
It just looks nice
toxic pewter
Fuck you for being racist toward Vulpera
toxic pewter
I am a proud Vulpera
chilly brook
I am a proud Vulpera
Vulpera big weird
jagged pier
i dont think even i was first but i thought u werent play at the start of the season
or did i imagine that
chilly brook
You imagined it
toxic pewter
The constant Vulpera racism is a disgrace and those that don’t speak out about it are just as culpable
chilly brook
I was doing fury but at that time peeps were playing Kyrian still in keys and I just started fucking around with necro prot in keys
toxic pewter
Shame on all of you
chilly brook
The last voluntary break from the game I took was during SoD when my guild died
Then I came back and got CE anyways
minor helm
oblique garnet
i dont think even i was first but i thought u werent play at the start of the se...
chilly brook
Fuck you and your shit takes
Jokes on you, I played vulpera season 1
dawn canyon
Vulpera big weird
toxic pewter
Doesn’t matter you go around spewing hate toward my race
dawn canyon
toxic pewter
Baseless hate
chilly brook
sick sentinel
so the current mythic + dungeons go away come end of current season or no?
toxic pewter
Laugh it up, shows how weak you truly are
sick sentinel
or im a bit confused on how it works
lofty widget
so the current mythic + dungeons go away come end of current season or no?
yep, all except tazavesh
zealous willow
is there any info abt leges ilvl and etc ?
sick sentinel
weird lol
drifting fable
is there any info abt leges ilvl and etc ?
not yet
sick sentinel
i'm not gunna be familiar with any of these dungeons
chilly brook
i'm not gunna be familiar with any of these dungeons
Stop thinking
Press w
Don’t die
Complete dungeon
I promise you, you aren’t doing dungeons high enough for your route to truly matter. As a matter of fact neither am I.
lofty widget
if you play your class correctly you could probably bruteforce up to like 20s without knowing mechanics
errant oriole
Cant wait for mechagon!
sick sentinel
get ready for smoke maze failers
i know the pattern to that, so i only do that pattern that works
and might want to race change away from large tauren like races, get stuck in the door right before said smoke maze with avatar
median tulip
Gunker is a pain of a fight, everything else is fine
HK-8 you just don't want to have to teach it to someone
dawn canyon
i did HK-8 for mount so i hope ik whats going on
prolly not one-phasable in keys though?
median tulip
If you can one phase it then you should be doing higher keys
The tonks will be fun for the first few weeks, until the DPS learn how to deal with Gnomercy 4.U
sick sentinel
gunker is easy lol wat
toxic pewter
and might want to race change away from large tauren like races, get stuck in th...
Yogi u ready to embrace Vulpera life
median tulip
Gunker is easy If you know the strat
sick sentinel
i always found last boss most annoying, motorcycles can deleted random dps
literal go brr
sinful plover
if you play your class correctly you could probably bruteforce up to like 20s wi...
This is my meta strategy
wild hemlock
were we getting memed by naowh and the other tanks
median tulip
I want a set of the Mechagon Rings
chrome falcon
This is my meta strategy
full 20s first 2 weeks every patch without ever having mdt downloaded
people need to stop fretting the unimportant shit
play their class properly
i could kill every mob in an 18 faster than these pug clowns who care so much about MDT could do an optimal route in a 15
zinc shale
Perhaps you never used mdt, but you got your route info elsewhere
median tulip
My guild's standard raiding strategy is to just charge in on the first pull and wing it
zinc shale
This late in a season, mdt isntreally needed for experienced players
Expansion*
As long as theres no PRIDE locking the pulls
zinc shale
I mean sure, but if you remember pride, 1 mob could mess up your entire run
cobalt seal
S3 BFA says hello
zinc shale
which affix was that again
hollow sun
can't wait to do the garden tyrannical
zinc shale
S3 BFA says hello
I recall quitting wow for 2 seasons i believe, s2-3 😄 In bfa
cobalt seal
Good
median tulip
Season 3 was the land of Twilight Devastation
DH tanks with a million HP and stacked TD were a menace
strong forum
s4*
cinder nova
Who is this idiot and why should I care about this article? I'm two sentences in and he's already talking bullshit.
minor helm
cinder nova
"Not been very good" literally WF'd first tier.
Granted, that's because they wanted a battle shout, but obviously it's more than capable.
tender imp
capable doesnt mean very good
cinder nova
In that context, it makes it sound like a dead spec.
sweet summit
llarold owns
minor helm
Also bozo hurts way worse than idiot
cinder nova
What's their handle
bold nimbus
jagged pier
the same as the one who wrote the article
minor helm
@candid path
cinder nova
@candid path Why do you think PWarr hasn't been very good in SL? 🤔
minor helm
cinder nova
Isn't bozo the name of a clown
minor helm
Could be a clown named idiot too to be fair
tender imp
why do u think it has been good in sl? its unpopular for a reason
carmine pine
pwar was decent in castle. but was mainly brought cause shout
mellow bridge
Who is this idiot and why should I care about this article? I'm two sentences in...
damn that reads like satire
cinder nova
Because it requires more brain than "thrash + ironfur + regen"
So people get smashed for playing it like any other tank so they get turned off
sweet summit
warrior in general was very "meh" in Castle
ocean yoke
arms and fury were pretty poopoo at the time
cinder nova
Oh, yeah - they were pretty dogwater on every fight excpet I think SF
strong forum
rn its comparatively the best its been in SL
distant crystal
Didn't they like arms for Sire execute?
strong forum
i havent found stuff to disagree with in this article
sweet summit
sire was perfectly designed for arms, yet it was a mid-bot tier spec on that fight
weary lodge
With S4 coming has anyone put much thought into trinkets? The Fury discord has a few conversations going on and I just realized there's 2 cheat death trinkets now... That won't really be a thing people do, right? ....
strong forum
what about it do you think is bullshit?
distant crystal
I played DH tank for sire, i tell you hwhat doublejump glide saved my life a LOT
strong forum
With S4 coming has anyone put much thought into trinkets? The Fury discord has a...
OWS, Matrix, Aegis.
median tulip
The main thing Warrior has been in SL is HARD
ocean yoke
👀
drifting fable
😳
cinder nova
Just the idea that Pwarr "has not been very good." If this is hyperbole, sure - whatever, but if I'm reading an article from an informative view I'm taking words at their contextual and literal value, and if a spec isn't very good it means it's pretty much dogwater
And the fact that PWarr could WF even in its worst state seems to say otherwise.
Sure it wasn't AMAZING, but it's not like tanks were massively far apart in CN
drifting fable
dude its just a wishlist
strong forum
it was brought for Bshout and for sire platforming.
thats it
and lootluck
but since arms turned out to be pretty decent on Sire, they ended up running 2 warriors
and they didnt need brm cuz trill played WW
thats literally it
carmine pine
i just want sudden death on the base war tree 😦 esp since execute resets shield slam now.
cinder nova
And they wouldn't have brought it at all if it couldn't hack it
sweet summit
rally 
carmine pine
maybe im just perma stuck in wod prot war mindset
cinder nova
Having a dead tank is objectively worse than a raid buff missing.
strong forum
WF tanks dont die
median tulip
i just want sudden death on the base war tree 😦 esp since execute resets shield...
That would be excellent, NGL
strong forum
no matter what they play
tender imp
yes all tanks can tank all bosses. that doesnt mean there isnt a big power level difference between them
therefore warr hasnt been very good no.
cinder nova
For CN there really wasn't a massive gap between them
SOD had it move a lot more because of a few fights just having a lot of unblockable stuff that armor tanks could handle with a bit greater ease
SFO is been a cakewalk
strong forum
venthyr hpal was only found on the last 2 bosses
by that point nobody had a geared prot pally
cuz nobody used it for prog
only duriong heroic splits
and every ppal was kyrian without being able to switch freely
cinder nova
I don't even remember what the method of swapping covs were back then.
Could you even?
🤔
tender imp
SFO is been a cakewalk
unnerfed jailer mythic was basically tankable only with dk/monk, ofc its nerfed to shit now but that just shows how big difference is between tanks
strong forum
unnerfed jailer was also tankable by pwar, but nobody had a geared pwar
cinder nova
What are you talking about BDK was getting clobbered
The melee nerfs are almost exclusively for them
strong forum
nah
tender imp
lol
strong forum
they dropped to <=20% between parries, sure, but thats where tier came in
cinder nova
Aren't their M Jailer prog logs of BDKs literally getting one-shot from melees
cinder nova
Gorefiends for the adds is a tempting tradeoff
strong forum
if you get 1shot, nothing matters
carmine pine
cant gorefiend adds in p3 tho on mythic
urban portal
yeah wasnt a part of the issue with pally is that ashen was ass in M+
and kyrian was ass in raid
and a lot of prot pals went kyrian
strong forum
monk would get 1shot without stagger, BDK would get 2 shot, so they relied on tier + parry to DS between melees that go through to have enough RP
urban portal
unnerfed jailer mythic was basically tankable only with dk/monk, ofc its nerfed ...
thats a cap, blood dks take 90% of their HP every hit, brew during prog had to literally stoneskin on pull
to not get one shot
then it became expel harm on pull
urban portal
prot warriors could tank the melee hits just fine
its just that prot warrior had other issues
strong forum
the other issues have only been "nobody having a pwar"
urban portal
on average prot warrior takes 40% less melee damage than any other tank
tender imp
even if they had a geared pwar guarantee u they would still play monk/dk
urban portal
monk was mainly because WW blows dick
WW sucked more than fury sucked
blood was overtuned
mellow bridge
Aren't their M Jailer prog logs of BDKs literally getting one-shot from melees
if they misplayed yes
but every tank got oneshto with misplays
bdk had to get a bloodshield up for each hit
sinful plover
i could kill every mob in an 18 faster than these pug clowns who care so much ab...
I was watching some YouTube who said “you don’t ever have 0 deaths and fail a key because of a bad route” which is true. I’ve never had that in my many pugs. Routes don’t fail keys, whipping and low damage fails keys.
distant crystal
I was watching some YouTube who said “you don’t ever have 0 deaths and fail a ke...
Hold my MDT
strong forum
if the BDK nerf wouldve gone through, youd have to run double monk or pwar monk
but its all hypotheticals at this point
so no real point arguing
sinful plover
That said some routes are better choices for pugs. Simple linear route with minimal skips make it easier for your brain dead dps to follow behind you.
tender imp
right i was just bringing up jailer to say theres a big power lvl differnece between tanks
tender imp
jailer shows that well
strong forum
absolutely
tender imp
so warr can in fact "not be very good"
urban portal
warrior was definitely a 3rd
tender imp
as the article states
ocean yoke
anyone got a weakaura for pressing w?
shut summit
jailer before the nerfs was insanity on warrior, if you misplayed a tiny bit you died
the dot in p2 you had to min-max ip absorbs
jagged pier
carmine pine
W is my favorite key
big fan of W
urban portal
but everything else about prot warrior is not as favored
cinder nova
I want to see your HPS in P2 with the dot Sense
ocean yoke
meanwhile dks coudl ams the dot
artificer was so dumb with this. i have to go fae and time a blink and bdk oonga boonga just walks through rings
strong forum
AMS is dumb
tender imp
i think its fine on a random boss like artificer, cuz its an easy boss either way
carmine pine
p2 pillar 6 dot is a fun 1
tender imp
to have stuff like that
ocean yoke
yeah not a big deal on him but it was funny to watch lol
carmine pine
stares at my 1 healer in range of me not casting
shut summit
hate the disparity between what reflect / ams works on
strong forum
its fucking garbage
cinder nova
It's pretty obnoxious, yeah
jagged pier
hate the disparity between what reflect / ams works on
there is a sizeable cd difference tho
but i agree
shut summit
yea ofc
jagged pier
make SR the cd as AMS
cinder nova
I also hate how they don't tell us what is reflectable, deflectable, and blockable
Fuck me running, just put it in the journal
carmine pine
sense takes care of that for me 😄
cinder nova
I mean it's 20% DR at least
shut summit
and if its OP it gets nerfed pretty quickly
ocean yoke
RIP spell reflecting guardian
tender imp
ye like the blood boss in castle u could not get the tank stack, it didnt really make warrs op on the boss
but they still nerfed it
shut summit
yup
cinder nova
Although I maintain that they should definitely disjoin the 20% DR from the reflect.
That way you can use it for a reflect in M+ without feeling like you're losing defensive value on magic-heavy pulls
urban portal
make it spell reflect rank 3 or some shit
tender imp
need that legion artifact trait back
cinder nova
Or just give us reflective plating
urban portal
also wasnt leaping balls pretty hard to do
tender imp
it lasts 5 sec no matter what
urban portal
or did people get it consistent
cinder nova
Just jump before you leap
tender imp
nah its pretty easy to leap the balls
but in general i think blizz is just afraid of the block mechanic
cuz once u can block everything it becomes insane
but in return stuff u cant block, ur mitigation is suddenly nonexistent
how do u balance that
urban portal
buff K value
cinder nova
Make it block + armor
strong forum
block is + armor
cinder nova
Reduce how much blocking provides
tender imp
as long block stays a flat dr % blizz will be afraid of it
but u could make the argument stagger is even more disgusting
and monks have that 100% of the time
urban portal
It’s not a flat dr%
tender imp
?