im not good @ sim, aka i have no idea what to sim for
#protection
muted nexus
cobalt seal
you sim dmg
muted nexus
i get that but like how would i sim "having too much haste"
i guess is the best way to describe it 
toxic pewter
Ive seen get haste until 40% is good
cobalt seal
i get that but like how would i sim "having too much haste"
if sim says you to replace gear with haste
theres where you know
elfin surge
when simming (knowing it can only do dps) what fightstyle do you guys use? Dungeon Slice?
sick sentinel
it still absolutely boggles my mind how "the only valid sims are only able to be ran by nasa super computers in a reasonable amount of time so you should give us money every month" "don't even think about trying it on home pc!!"
toxic pewter
LOL
toxic pewter
I know right
cobalt seal
when simming (knowing it can only do dps) what fightstyle do you guys use? Dung...
patchewerk with multiple sims
dif targets and times
sick sentinel
its like, really, who are you trying to fleece with that
"its so complicated it can't be run by normal home computers!!! wahh give us money for it"
sick sentinel
serious questions turned into memes by the usual 2
am i actually wrong on what i say tho that this isn't basically their sales pitch
toxic pewter
No, see number one rule I mentioned
cobalt seal
it's not a I WANT 40% HASTE OR BURST
dreamy wedge
^I mean he does have a point, I remember using Aldriana's spreadsheets on my Rogue back in the dark ages
cobalt seal
You sim
cobalt seal
you trolling
toxic pewter
no I’m not
toxic pewter
GOTTA GO FAST 
lofty widget
Well its ilvl above anything, theres no such Thing as "too little" or "too much" of a secondary
sick sentinel
thats my thousands of a second timer addon "gotta go fast"
toxic pewter
That is all you need to know about stats atm
sick sentinel
just like race car game (forza gran turismo) gotta go fast as shit
toxic pewter
Haste is by and far best stat other than str
It’s leagues ahead
Everyone knows that
And I hate haste
cobalt seal
@strong forum can you pls mute him
toxic pewter
Lol wat
All of a sudden haste is bad because I say it
You are out of line cromation. Shame on you
lofty widget
You didnt lol
cobalt seal
or your schizophrenia is ticking in
toxic pewter
Everyone knows other than str, you stack haste until 40%
lofty widget
Str>>>haste (until 40% unbuffed) >crit/vers>mastery
sick sentinel
if you don't know to stack str as a warrior literally delete the game and don't play any more video/board games
you are too dumb at that point
lofty widget
And ofc you Sim top gear for dps (mostly ST)
sick sentinel
this is rule number zero more importanter than #1 rule, rule zero for warrior git mor strangth
literally above anything else
toxic pewter
or your schizophrenia is ticking in
You are strange.. constantly accusing people of having serious mental illness. It’s off putting to be honest. As a self proclaimed troll, you should be ashamed.
toxic pewter
It’s extremely disconcerting you throw around such an illness like that
Mental illness is no laughing matter
toxic pewter
You are not a troll I realized, you are worse
sick sentinel
not a youtube ¯_(ツ)_/¯
toxic pewter
You are a bully
cobalt seal
cobalt seal
not a youtube ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
still a video
sick sentinel
and if i posted a still image of "schizophrenic wins" that'd probably still get deleted instantly
i'm willing to bet at least
narrow fog
You are a bully
sick sentinel
people unironically mad at me because i don't want to play game the way they want or at level they want me to
cobalt seal
toxic pewter
Do your thing yogi
narrow fog
people unironically mad at me because i don't want to play game the way they wan...
I am not mad at you <3
Let's hold hands aggressively now, to show our manliness
sick sentinel
i can't banned from memes remember
toxic pewter
🙌
sick sentinel
fuck this cronmangnum dingus guy anyways
what a moron, every single time i go to interact nothing but hostility and rage, just checking blocked messages alone is sad
cobalt seal
sick sentinel
i tried leave you alone for a few days or a week, see if i come back and you've changed attitude, never do, so thats why im aggressive back now and apathetic
waxen orbit
Too much mastery
toxic pewter
Lol
toxic pewter
We are all here to help
open bluff
apb is helping with a masterclass on what you don't do
cobalt seal
or little of this
waxen orbit
Yes you do
cobalt seal
you say them to sim
cobalt seal
that's all
cobalt seal
it does
waxen orbit
Your banner covers you
toxic pewter
apb is helping with a masterclass on what you don't do
Cease interacting with me going forward. Do not mention my name, or interact any further.
slim zinc
If you for damage you go by sim, if sim says mastery you take mastery 🤷
lofty widget
Your stats dont matter.
cobalt seal
If you for damage you go by sim, if sim says mastery you take mastery 🤷
missing a sim there
sick sentinel
why does a sim even need to exist in the first place?
lofty widget
Only Str (ilvl)
waxen orbit
You take strength, then haste, then crit or vers depending on what you prefer of the two lmao
Mastery is never going to be suggested in a sim
Telling you that right now
cobalt seal
Mastery is never going to be suggested in a sim
toxic pewter
Only one rule gotta remember:
gotta go fast
waxen orbit
Doesn’t mean it’s good
slim zinc
It's not drop ilvl bad
waxen orbit
Where did I say that
slim zinc
Get high ilvl gear without mastery
Implied here
waxen orbit
No
Lmao
I implied and said get same ilvl gear (“high ilvl gear”) without mast
Not rocket science
waxen orbit
I’m not blindly saying it lol
slim zinc
you were wrong
slim zinc
Too much mastery
yes you literally said
lofty widget
Some ppl might interpret that as "take lower ilcl without mastery" which is definitely wrong
toxic pewter
He said just get better gear at same ilvl or higher with better secondary stats
slim zinc
Don't weasel out
toxic pewter
Makes sense to me
waxen orbit
Okay well it was clarified
slim zinc
you literally blindly said it
waxen orbit
I didn’t lol
lofty widget
Great argument 
waxen orbit
Jesus Christ can someone get the clown car outta here
toxic pewter
You guys putting words in his mouth. Big time
fringe folio
Vibrant chat today :p
ionic fern
Holy shit.
waxen orbit
Good lord
ionic fern
Why is it every time i look into this channel
toxic pewter
Thwump didn’t even say that
ionic fern
It's just a punch of monging.
urban portal
Alchemy stone is pretty good
waxen orbit
No exactly
blazing condor
what mwahi said
lofty widget
The daily argument has been chosen
waxen orbit
It's just a punch of monging.
Cromation and Chimmi picking their daily arguments, it is what it is
🤷♂️
urban portal
Sheesh
toxic pewter
Need more haste
urban portal
Sick mastery
lofty widget
Too little leech
ocean yoke
wheres the speed?
waxen orbit
Need speed
blazing condor
too little vers
earnest canyon
Hi guys
In what situation I spend tier proc on thunder clap? In aoe when I need damage, right?
Orherwise it’s always bash?
earnest canyon
Oh
ionic fern
Hi guys
In what situation I spend tier proc on thunder clap? In aoe when I need ...
You prefer to use it on Shield Slam but don't waste multiple GCD's waiting on a SS reset if TC is ready.
waxen orbit
^
cobalt seal
so "always"?
waxen orbit
There’s a conditional to it
slim zinc
you always want to, you can't always though
cobalt seal
then it's not always
waxen orbit
Bro are you just purposely being facetious antagonistic
slim zinc
Is close enough, usually you will know when you can and can't hold it
minor helm
That’s not facetious
minor helm
viral arch
psure that wasn't the intended link
minor helm
That’s a way to divert conversation
strong forum
I deleted it
slim zinc
hi nom
waxen orbit
toxic pewter
cobalt seal
Sup nom
earnest canyon
I assumed it’s good damage to use it on clap in aoe
Thanks for correcting me guys
strong forum
It's good damage on 6+ targets
Breaks even with ss+1rev on 4 targets
slim zinc
lose out on rage for banner gaming though
strong forum
Yep
slim zinc
I'm almost at the 15 minute banner nom
strong forum
Letsgo
lofty widget
So assuming you can keep banner up, you TC on 6+ targets?
strong forum
Ya that's what I'm doing every now and again
slim zinc
Almost in the 3 minute cycle where I make it to extend with LS every 3 minutes at which point I can go forever
hazy edge
Almost in the 3 minute cycle where I make it to extend with LS every 3 minutes a...
And how do your hands feel lol
slim zinc
luckily I played a lot of piano growing up
earnest canyon
lose out on rage for banner gaming though
I just need to finally get to high enough keys, where ignore pain doesn’t get wasted and it feels nice to press it more often for banner duration
earnest canyon
Constantly overcapping IP is okay?
lofty widget
Yeh
earnest canyon
Oh, thanks
ionic fern
Constantly overcapping IP is okay?
Yes
waxen orbit
In like +27 fort bolster keys it def feels impactful from how much you’re pressing it
strong forum
I've felt it during execute too
waxen orbit
Very feelsgoodman
earnest canyon
So revenge is pressed only when banner is not up? Outside of free procs
waxen orbit
What??
cobalt seal
So revenge is pressed only when banner is not up? Outside of free procs
you press revenge
muted nexus
revenge = shield slam resets = stonks
strong forum
^
waxen orbit
Also it’s your only real AOE dam output other than ravager
strong forum
Revenge is 2nd priority after shield slam in terms of gcds
waxen orbit
Should be #1 on your overall dam done
strong forum
Eh thwump that's disingenuous, TC only does 10% less dmg than revenge but generates rage instead of spends it
ionic fern
Same
earnest canyon
Revenge is 2nd priority after shield slam in terms of gcds
And IP extending banner is?
strong forum
Cuz only spamming revenge will not let you keep extending banner
It's 1gcd for 0.5sec extenstion
You need to use IP often to maintain banner
Which means you need to generate alot of rage
open bluff
imagine they put ip on gcd
i'd rather not relive 8.0
dreamy wedge
Between banner, tier, and cds you usually literally can't spend rage fast enough sometimes, it's great
muted nexus
i'd rather not relive 8.0
strong forum
Idk I rarely press TC
My ratio of rev to TC is 2:1
Idk how you can press rev so much, I feel like I can't keep up Banner that way
waxen orbit
I think in that 27 mists I posted I hit rev 451 times and TC 61
earnest canyon
Is it okay to waste a tier proc by SSing on full rage?
strong forum
No
waxen orbit
Idk how you can press rev so much, I feel like I can't keep up Banner that way
It’s def the 34% haste
minor helm
Prob shouldn’t throw out claims on stuff then
muted nexus
you should be an immovable locomotive spending rage like it's monopoly money, moving through packs and intervening for reprisal
earnest canyon
Oh should I spend asap and then Ss?
strong forum
I have 37% haste
waxen orbit
Huh
strong forum
Just spamming rev feels awful to me
waxen orbit
Oh should I spend asap and then Ss?
This
distant crystal
socket halls neck from vault
lofty widget
You dont have to spend your outburst proc the moment you get it, just dont overwrite it
strong forum
I use 500 revs and 250 TCs on average per long key
distant crystal
notbadobama.jpg
waxen orbit
Just spamming rev feels awful to me
That’s fair; I have revenge on two keybinds and I quite literally just buttonmash both those
Right hand for revenge half the time, left hand for IP and SS
strong forum
Ic
earnest canyon
Thanks everyone ❤️
strong forum
This was streets 24
waxen orbit
I mainly just hit TC when I need a GCD filler or when I need to kite
Empowered TC slow is actually kinda good won’t even cap
waxen orbit
This was streets 24
Pretty good, pretty good
strong forum
Hoa 24
strong forum
Wouldn't change anything
cobalt seal
ik
strong forum
Except having more rage to spend from being hit
waxen orbit
Gotta love the two separate Intervene spells in logs
Because Blizz tied several spell IDs to it
hazy edge
Because Blizz tied several spell IDs to it
fun fact, this is the exact reason intervene wasn't working in sims for the longest time
waxen orbit
I only figured this out from finally trying out Epsilon and trying to learn Intervene
And seeing like 17 different IDs for the same spell pop up
robust surge
oh...I forgot, raging hurts
my face
i'm stacking all my keys with druids and hunters
waxen orbit
Explosive weeks mean Thwump sleeps 👍
robust surge
ya shiv is like 20s
waxen orbit
Rdruid keys inc
sick sentinel
unless its affected in a way to make it similiar cast times between as hunter/druid
im going to take hunter more than likely, i like hunter pugs
urban portal
Druid isn’t a real class
urban portal
take rogue last on that priority list
Rogue also brings attack speed slow
Which is infinite more hps
sick sentinel
the very best thing about yellows is they can swap between slowing and cast speed slowing, making interupts easier to manage, or kite, get them throw on slow for halls works well enough
cobalt seal
earnest canyon
Imagine a rogue not picking a dps poison in a pug
sick sentinel
one type might be better overall for the key, halls fort gunna want that slow to run from dogs
toxic pewter
Imagine a rogue not picking a dps poison in a pug <:copium:839076283467431956>
They can pick one lethal and one non-lethal poison
In df ass rogues can use like 4 poisons if I recall correctly
That’s gonna be interesting
distant crystal
they're gonna take deadly/numbing like always in keys
toxic pewter
Ya
toxic pewter
Numbing owns
sick sentinel
i know this isn't way it works, but i call 0-40% "slows" 40-80% snare (like, slower than a slow, but not roots in place) and then roots at 90% +
minor helm
sick sentinel
more like, i try to call a mega slow something other than just a slow
blazing condor
sooo a root
sick sentinel
TC slow is okay, but its not slowed down to a halt like crippling
tc doesn't last as long or have as big an effect on the run speed
spiral warren
A slow
grave crane
A bind obviously
hazy edge
training dummy fun 
cobalt seal
do you have 40% haste?
hazy edge
30%
I could have kept it going infinitely but the training dummy was hitting me for 60k every 3 seconds
open bluff
skill issue
cobalt seal
with 40% haste you would have 20m
hazy edge
lol
dawn canyon
Did you try it on a dps dummy?
hazy edge
I had an 8min banner on the dps dummy
dawn canyon
you could've just said dps
😵💫
waxen orbit
training dummy fun <:peepoHappy:673436349805625364>
I think my record banner is 27 minutes
Not counting overalls
At end of keys
That was with me using an AFK person for intervene on a DPS dummy
weary lodge
I know, I know, you all said it over and over again that this trinket sucks... notice the 239 Reactive Defense Matrix next to it
I just did a 15 SD to try it out and see lol.... it's sad
Almost identical dmg and a little less healing than the 239 defense matrix
hazy edge
don't forget that the rdm is also increasing the damage and healing of all your other abilities because of the strength it has
so the difference is a lot bigger
weary lodge
oh well, it was the only option for me this week. This season is dead to me anyway
earnest canyon
oh well, it was the only option for me this week. This season is dead to me anyw...
Coins are always an option
cobalt seal
oh well, it was the only option for me this week. This season is dead to me anyw...
gold is always a option!
weary lodge
why is TC above SS in dmg
idk, i hit SS when it's up, i hit TC when i have globals to fill because 5 rage is 5 rage
feral jewel
Must’ve been fat fingering the TC key trying to press SS. Damn keybinders
weary lodge
no sense in NOT hitting it when i've got nothing to press
chrome falcon
do you have the log for that run
cobalt seal
SS should be doing way more dmg
chrome falcon
because tc should never be higher than SS
weary lodge
being below trinkets is a crime
No log, but no.... we triple timed an SD 15 with dps that melted everything. I got like 5 presses of execute per boss while still maintaining shield block and using free revenge procs. Not really a great representation of a normal run
ocean yoke
were you using all the outburst procs for clap? thats how it looks to me
weary lodge
spent a bit of time chasing explosives too because of pretty big pulls
weary lodge
were you using all the outburst procs for clap? thats how it looks to me
No, I know I accidentally did it maybe 3 times, but not often
chrome falcon
it's not a real key tbf
cobalt seal
???
chrome falcon
???
jagged pier
No, I know I accidentally did it maybe 3 times, but not often
im sorry your hardly pressing your buttons then
looking at old season screenshots
TC damage was below SS
so your are for sure playing incorrectly
weary lodge
im sorry your hardly pressing your buttons then
So what would you expect prot warrior damage to be in a key then? I finished at 8.9k overall DPS in a 15 SD where it's mostly double and triple trash pulls, including all through the gauntlet. SS is a rage builder in that scenario, to feed revenge, period.
jagged pier
12k at least
weary lodge
12k at least
I probably had shit shield block uptime, which would explain the shield slam damage a bit more.
jagged pier
8.5 SS CPM when it should be 14
cobalt seal
damn
jagged pier
jagged pier
20% wasted rage
chrome falcon
@weary lodge tell me you're not actually playing HR
weary lodge
<@267389168894607360> tell me you're not actually playing HR
bro, I don't even know what HR stands for
chrome falcon
heavy rep
jagged pier
67% blocked hits with HR
chrome falcon
that dogshit talent at the bottom row
please tell me you're playing anger management now
cobalt seal
weary lodge
please tell me you're playing anger management now
oh yeah, I am now
toxic pewter
what your banner uptime look like
weary lodge
So ... this is weird
chrome falcon
i mean regardless
trying to criticise this guy's play without a log is
kinda pointless
weary lodge
that old log, 177 SS : 125 TC casts
chrome falcon
if you can log a run and share it here we can help a lot more
weary lodge
166: 124 in this SD
jagged pier
that ratio doesnt matter
right so you may have improved from this log, but im going to go off what I see. as I said your are playing incorrectly
- your blocked hits are extremely low for the talents and leggo you are running u might now be running AM but that doesnt help blocked hits at all if anything if your still playing close to this u would probs be at like 50% bloecked hits when u should be at, at least 80% with rep and 95% with HR,
- your casts per minute are extremely low on some things. Shield Slam, intervene, demo shout, charge, execute, avatar theres probably more. This leads to a lot of things less rage, less everything really.
- as your CPM is giga low u generate no rage at all. and of that rage u make your wasting 20% of it in this logged run, so u arent even using the rage u gain to crate more outburst procs etc etc
- you used outburst on TC 23 and SS 28 times, so this is completely off what it should be its okay to use outburst on TC occasionally, usually to get aggro is the only time, but usually comes out to 1 TC for every 4 SS's u use outburst procs on this is nearly 50/50 split.
so TLDR u need to press your buttons more
pay attention to your rage and dont over cap
pay attention to when u have outburst
open bluff
man gotta love pugs
jagged pier
and most importantly actually pay attention to your SB
spiral warren
Just hit buttons 
open bluff
and the healer wonders why i left 
toxic pewter
y u leaving pugs
jagged pier
y is that an issue
if playing correctly the shammy should only need to riptide u really
cobalt seal
man gotta love pugs
what's wrong with this?
open bluff
the fact that the healer was wondering why everyone else was dying
waxen orbit
man gotta love pugs
What level key was this?
waxen orbit
if playing correctly the shammy should only need to riptide u really
No yeah but still should be higher than 3.5k if we're talking the healing going onto the shaman, the earth ele (which he should be popping for dam) and the rest of the group
open bluff
then i was dying to explosives going off because the dps were dead
waxen orbit
Definitely something going off there
waxen orbit
then i was dying to explosives going off because the dps were dead
He should be frost-shocking 80% of those explos
That would be your issue
cobalt seal
No yeah but still should be higher than 3.5k if we're talking the healing going ...
what No
if people were playing correctly
3.5k on a 15
waxen orbit
It's a damn pugged 15
cobalt seal
is already too much healing
waxen orbit
You're expecting DPS players to play correctly?
toxic pewter
I always hold my group to very high standards, just like for myself.
cobalt seal
what key was it?
open bluff
if people were playing correctly, there wouldn't have been a spriest in the group
toxic pewter
A good leader always does
open bluff
what key was it?
gambit
open bluff
nah, boralus section
toxic pewter
show kicks
open bluff
murloc section was already stupid but we had a chance to time it if people were doing shit
errant oriole
Hey guys is the trinket out of gambit any good, the one that gives you secondary stats?
mighty valley
honestly still wouldn't leave a pug, just get it in the vault
toxic pewter
Hey guys is the trinket out of gambit any good, the one that gives you secondary...
yah i use that one
open bluff
honestly still wouldn't leave a pug, just get it in the vault
ordinarily i wouldn't
errant oriole
Ok got a 278 one in my vault
open bluff
but when you're 23 minutes into the dungeon and haven't even pulled the second boss...
cobalt seal
but when you're 23 minutes into the dungeon and haven't even pulled the second b...
show dmg done
mighty valley
i guess if the healer wasn't handling explosives the dragon boss was gonna be a nightmare
cobalt seal
overall
waxen orbit
I love getting sat on by 3600 sweatlords who have timed all 25s and a handful of 26's for a 27 they're progging when I timed 3 of the hardest fort keys on a 27 in an inspiring week because pRoT wArRiOr BaD
open bluff
waxen orbit
That overall is heinous
open bluff
murloc section alone took us 15 minutes
cobalt seal
how
toxic pewter
yeah that shadowpriest... yikes...
waxen orbit
Bro was that a Make-A-Wish key?
open bluff
nah
nobody was focusing the runners
so we kept getting more mobs pulled in
which meant more explosives going off
errant oriole
Tha looks like half the keys i got last week haha
safe thistle
Lol that seems like a fish stick healing issue
open bluff
i basically just follow the radierio route for gambit
mighty valley
i carried my wife's 226 no tier single legendary alt hunter through a key last night and she did more damage than this spriest
toxic pewter
Yah something feels off thats for sure
errant oriole
Had a 3k io hunter mm hunter only doing 10k on an aoe pack in a 21 spires :(
open bluff
well yes that was part of it
mighty valley
(mm hunter too)
open bluff
group in general was just dumb
toxic pewter
your dps isnt looking great either tbh
open bluff
well tbf i don't have unity yet
cobalt seal
how?
mighty valley
oh
cobalt seal
dont
toxic pewter
why not
mighty valley
get that
open bluff
just came back like three weeks ago
toxic pewter
lol
mighty valley
yeah you can get it in like an hour
feral jewel
U get unity for free
cobalt seal
you literally get unity in 1h
open bluff
i'll have it this week
cobalt seal
for free
open bluff
can easily get the 265 yeh, but been waiting on the mrs to carry her through ZM
cobalt seal
what
safe thistle
Ppl doesn't want to play content, ppl ask for more content....
cobalt seal
why are you complaining
open bluff
monk's like 3k rep out from memory
errant oriole
Is it odd i have my unity on my ring?
cobalt seal
about other people
toxic pewter
you need to get your priorities straight
cobalt seal
when you didn't even went to get a unity
toxic pewter
you goin into a 15 and leaving
cobalt seal
that's free
toxic pewter
that looks bad as hell
cobalt seal
WTF
safe thistle
DPS was fine for a 15
toxic pewter
Is it odd i have my unity on my ring?
I mean many agree it is best on perhaps helm or chest at this point, ring you lost out on a lot of strength
mighty valley
unity helm also gets a gem slot
safe thistle
I got a helm,chest,leg unity cause I swapped a it a lot around depending off upgrade I got.
feral jewel
I know but didn’t have wrists with a gem slot
toxic pewter
can get a socket in a week these days
mighty valley
it's a small difference so it's whatever, just slightly better on a big main stat slot
feral jewel
I’m only a few weeks in on my pwar so I’ll be getting gear from vault for a bit before I start getting tokens
cobalt seal
can easily get the 265 yeh, but been waiting on the mrs to carry her through ZM
So you come here flaming a resto. But you couldnt take 1h to do way more dmg and you even left a key
That we are taking your word its Pug fault
feral jewel
And take way less damage also
open bluff
i never said i was blameless, but my mistakes alone weren't enough to have lost the key; would they have shaved more time off? sure, but when kicks and explosives are missed more dps from the tank isn't going to magically fix things
it would have helped, but it wouldn't have saved the key
it's also the price i pay for pugging; rating means nothing when it can be bought, and it wasn't my personal key so i was at the mercy of the leader in doing due diligence to find a good group
unfortunately it just didn't pan out
rugged mural
Heart of the Swarm trinket is terrible?
jagged pier
cobalt seal
i never said i was blameless, but my mistakes alone weren't enough to have lost ...
More dps from tank less kicks needed
cobalt seal
it's also the price i pay for pugging; rating means nothing when it can be bough...
Yeah he found a tank without unity
fresh kernel
Is there an easy way for prot warriors to do explosives?
Like on monk/druid i'd have mouseover macros etc, but heroic throw is 8 yard minimum so lmao
blazing condor
Nah
Heroic throw or shield slam
Or a lucky auto-swing
Charge works mostly but also unreliable
fresh kernel
thats depressing, thanks
toxic pewter
yah I find myself charging them a lot
weary lodge
They make pretty good charge targets... but you really can't count on killing it with just a charge + auto attack
cinder storm
urhs frontals will miss you too
sinful plover
you can hamstring explosives if you don't want to use a SS
toxic pewter
Yes Vulpera ftw
sick sentinel
im tauren, this is as furry as i go
but it also enforces role of tank man, racials kinda line up
waxen orbit
What the fuck
muted nexus
What the fuck
wasup m8
strong forum
Nose for trouble was always that high?
drifting juniper
yeah
strong forum
Like, it's been like that for 3 years
muted nexus
Like, it's been like that for 3 years
didn't it get buffed like a year ago?
or was that the tricks bag
drifting juniper
tricks bag is the worst dps racial ever, only on classes that can increase it's damage with mastery it might be good to use
muted nexus
oh it's trash, better off used as a range pull or a "oh shit my healer has 6 health"
dawn canyon
tricks bag is the worst dps racial ever, only on classes that can increase it's ...
for fury its 400 dps from troll to vulp
for me
drifting juniper
well fury can increas it's damage a lot i guess
dawn canyon
nono other way round
its -400 for me to be vulp
instead of troll
worded it badly
drifting juniper
if paladin had vulpera i'm sure it was dps loss from belf
toxic pewter
tricks bag is the worst dps racial ever, only on classes that can increase it's ...
Nah, it’s actually a very underrated racial. Having a 40 yard pull is legitimately useful
drifting juniper
because belf means another finisher and paladin finishers deal a shit ton
hazy edge
tricks bag is the worst dps racial ever, only on classes that can increase it's ...
Tricks is amazing it gives you a 40yd pull
strong forum
Tricks is amazing
drifting juniper
but i think nose for trouble and caravan are real racials
toxic pewter
Vulpera all around is very solid
strong forum
Having an on demand 30k+ heal for a party member is busted
muted nexus
caravan slaps for those who are lazy
toxic pewter
Plus they are cute
strong forum
Aswell as the 40y pull range
toxic pewter
Ya camp enables party to swap talents too
drifting juniper
i parked it at entrance of the cave
strong forum
didn't it get _buffed_ like a year ago?
? No
muted nexus
blizzard is biased for furries
north pawn
hey
dawn canyon
issa great tank
strong forum
Nose for trouble was always 5% max hp
toxic pewter
I am a proud Vulpera
dawn canyon
but for dps its actually inting
muted nexus
icr for sure
drifting juniper
me too
north pawn
what is the most begginer friendly/straight forward tank/has the most basic rotation ?
strong forum
Brew bear and vdh
drifting juniper
gurdian imo
muted nexus
bear for sure
drifting juniper
specially with this tier
north pawn
i wanna pick a tank for next expansion
toxic pewter
Yah I think bear can be least punishing
strong forum
All 3 of those are very basic
drifting juniper
as a player who plays all the tanks i can say if you don't want to invest a lot of time stay away from plate tanks
north pawn
just safe pick
toxic pewter
i wanna pick a tank for next expansion
Well you’ve come to the right place
north pawn
as a player who plays all the tanks i can say if you don't want to invest a lot ...
why not?
i wanna invest alot tbh
north pawn
Well you’ve come to the right place
what do you mean
drifting juniper
well plate tanks are more demanding in terms of rotation etc
dawn canyon
bdk/pwar/ppal are trickier than bear
toxic pewter
what do you mean
Prot warrior is most fun and most rewarding of all tanks
north pawn
i was mythic raider as dps this tier, wanna swap to tank
dawn canyon
what dps did you play
drifting juniper
you meant for raid?
north pawn
played havoc
chrome falcon
what would be a safe pick for next expansion?
we know nothing about half the tanks so this is basically an impossible question to answer
dawn canyon
did havoc rotation bore u
chrome falcon
ask again if blizz ever puts an alpha up
north pawn
i really enjoy that i dont need to focus on my rotation and focus more on the boss itself
drifting juniper
Most raids want dh or monk as tanks to have their raid buff basically
muted nexus
i think a lot of ppl here play stuff beyond prot warr
north pawn
did havoc rotation bore u
nope
dawn canyon
i really enjoy that i dont need to focus on my rotation and focus more on the bo...
ok then not pwar
muted nexus
havoc rotation is the opposite of prot war
chrome falcon
but chances are that monk will be braindead easy as fuck
just like always
that's what it's known for at this point
muted nexus
gcd is not a thing to prot war so
strong forum
If you enjoy momentum havoc, then pwar is similar
waxen orbit
I love how people are like "racials aren't a big deal"
And then vulpera just exists
And DID exists
chrome falcon
racials aren't a big deal except stoneform and nose and torrent and...
north pawn
then what would fit better you think? xD
drifting juniper
plate tanks are also not very popular when it comes to serious raiding
toxic pewter
i really enjoy that i dont need to focus on my rotation and focus more on the bo...
are you going to the various tank discords or did you come here first
dawn canyon
racials aren't a big deal except stoneform and nose and torrent and...
and hardiness in pvp and meld and blah blah
chrome falcon
for like 6 more months
drifting juniper
not top tier raiding but doing 10/11 at end of season raiding
north pawn
are you going to the various tank discords or did you come here first
second after vengeance lol
chrome falcon
dh discord
drifting juniper
dh discord is a joke
north pawn
we don't know how half the classes are going to play
not asking in terms of how they gonna be, asking in how are they in general
toxic pewter
You have doubts about vengeance
strong forum
General Recommendation is just "whatever looks fun to you"
toxic pewter
Which led you here
chrome falcon
but how they are "in general" is not going to be how they are in dragonflight
prot warrior is totally different to what it was in BFA
chrome falcon
but if, for some reason, you were going to pick your DF tank now
drifting juniper
and prot paladin is most stresfull in high keys
dawn canyon
great argument for pwar is 100k executes on jailer
chrome falcon
monk is probably a safe bet
dawn canyon
drifting juniper
your hp is either 100% or 5% or one shot
north pawn
Pwar is by far the hardest and fastest tank to play
hardest and fastest to learn?
kinda the opposite no?
drifting juniper
fastest on your wrist
strong forum
Fastest to play
chrome falcon
no the playstyle is fast
drifting juniper
and fingers
strong forum
Not fastest to learn
chrome falcon
if you have less than 75 cpm you suck
north pawn
ah
toxic pewter
I always turn away possible prot warriors 3 times, if they come back a 4th time, they are ready to begin.
north pawn
prot has alot of keys?
drifting juniper
i think if you want to both raid and play dungeons and be viable easily
go DH tank
strong forum
Ye and 4 offgcds
waxen orbit
prot has alot of keys?
That and we bash constantly
strong forum
In just your rotation
chrome falcon
no there are only 3 rotational spells but you also have an off GCD rotation and like 5 CDs
north pawn
i wanna mainly tank raid but yeah also do some dungeons
toxic pewter
Why don’t you just play vengeance and call it a day
waxen orbit
no there are only 3 rotational spells but you also have an off GCD rotation and ...
This
north pawn
Why don’t you just play vengeance and call it a day
i think i might..
drifting juniper
idk if you got a guild that wants you as a tank or not but most guilds dont recruit tanks and even if they do they want to get buffs of dh and monk for raid on their tanks,
strong forum
Prot is good, but hard
toxic pewter
Season 4 coming up
strong forum
You really gotta want to play it
But it's defo among the most fun tanks to play rn
According to several sources
north pawn
But it's defo among the most fun tanks to play rn
alot of people say that
drifting juniper
Prot was my last choice as a tank and i think if it was my first i wouldnt enjoy it
toxic pewter
This is what you do
drifting juniper
first tanks should have you focus on learning tankingi n general
rather than the class and tanking at same time
strong forum
That depends on each person
dawn canyon
i had ppal as a first and its okay for most content that isnt challenging
drifting juniper
i alreayd knew how to tank high keys i just adapted to warrior and focuserd on rotation
dawn canyon
mighty valley
most of us have learned prot warrior as new mechanics have been slowly layered on all expansion
coming to it fresh in 9.2 is probably a lot
north pawn
first tanks should have you focus on learning tankingi n general
which tank you think is best for that?
chrome falcon
learning prot warrior now would be a nightmare
drifting juniper
Gurdian or vengeance for sure
dawn canyon
its a shit ton of stuff going on innit
drifting juniper
as prot paladin if you don't manage cds and your shield drops on high keys or semi high keys you get one shot
toxic pewter
What tank actually interests you
Like forget what your friend said even
What do you actually want to play
mighty valley
blood isn't quite as straightforward as bear but is so strong that it doesn't really matter
north pawn
Vengeance & prot mainly, dk + monk second place
toxic pewter
You said Viking seems cool
north pawn
guardian and pala dont intrest me
toxic pewter
Ya so, I say begin prot right away
drifting juniper
The problem with plate tanks is also that if they are not 100% meta you struggle to get invited
north pawn
and i also want some mobility & fantasy
dawn canyon
warrior is the coolest but hardest there
toxic pewter
Somethin about vengeance doesn’t seem right, otherwise you’d just play that
So between warr and monk
north pawn
also, thanks for all the help here lol not used to it from the dh discord xD
drifting juniper
dk is beyond boring tho, at first its fun and thrilling to have your hp drop and get to full fast again but when you get used to it , its just pressing heart strike till the key end, or some undead controls in top
north pawn
Somethin about vengeance doesn’t seem right, otherwise you’d just play that
that it's weird kinda to track spikes and eye beams etc
toxic pewter
And then when you get bored you know where to find us
north pawn
i'll try monk & dh in some keys since i have them max level
if i dont enjoy, prot warr it is
drifting juniper
also spirit bomb dh is with kyrian on mikanikos is the way to go
with fel devestation reset elegendary
you finish with 16 dps on +15 to 20
16k
also every tank i played this season was very easy to do damage with except prot warrior, its much more challenging in terms of pulling good damage
toxic pewter
Saw two guys on vdh discord claim prot pally is considered one of the more difficult tanks. Do you guys agree? I’ve never heard that to everyone the case
Or felt that way playing one
strong forum
It's not
strong forum
It's easy to play, hard to master
fresh kernel
^^
toxic pewter
Ok so is it a high ceiling
strong forum
Decently high
toxic pewter
What tank has the highest skillcap you think
muted nexus
prot war
strong forum
Anybody who disagrees is literally bad at wow
muted nexus
bdk requires a bit more reactivity, but far less micromanagement
muted nexus
the rest are just faceroll tanks
actually i will give credit to good stagger management
still not pwar tier sweat though
toxic pewter
Is prot pally holy power management difficult is that what gives it a decently high ceiling
dawn canyon
no
strong forum
Na
strong forum
With tier + kyrian they literally bathe in holy power
urban portal
i think vdh is not easy
dawn canyon
you have a bunch of util you can use
strong forum
They have 200% uptime in mitigation
But it's their CD Management that can be challenging
urban portal
vdh is like prot warrior but their shield block is shite
and blood dk but their healing is shite
but their utility goes crazy with sigils
toxic pewter
Dude vdh can get punished hard if bad button pressing. At least before meta uptime being so high now
strong forum
Vdh is faceroll until you don't have meta
toxic pewter
Lol
strong forum
Ya vdh would love to have vulp
toxic pewter
I would roll that for sure
modern brook
Anybody who disagrees is literally bad at wow
Idk bear hurts my wrist
toxic pewter
Which higher ceiling prot pally or vdh you think
strong forum
Pally
strong forum
Vdh is very limited in terms of what they can do
ocean yoke
pally can do all the groups work at the same time
strong forum
And they weren't even correct to have their spotlight
dawn canyon
insane spot heals
urban portal
abyssal strike was the best defensive in 9.0
strong forum
Meanwhile bear was right there
muted nexus
the kite meta made me want to uninstall
muted nexus
if u werent an hpal or vdh u werent getting an invite to anything relevant
strong forum
I don't pug so
muted nexus
it was dark days
strong forum
Don't care about that
strong forum
urban portal
Meanwhile bear was right there
tbf a part of it was the 5%
wasnt the MDI meta just SPriest cucking for fire mage, unholy dk, and hpal?
so the 5% was very relevant
toxic pewter
What about guardian
Yes it’s considered easy
But does it have a high skillcap too
Do all tanks have a high skillcap? More I think about it
muted nexus
managing fur can get tedious, but idk about difficult
strong forum
tbf a part of it was the 5%
Nah, bear was slept on all pf 9.0
toxic pewter
managing fur can get tedious, but idk about difficult
That makes sense
strong forum
Until people unzipped it in TGP
And when vdh lost their cardboard assassins, suddenly they had to actually tank every now and again
So people started looking into other options
But bear was busted since launch
For mdi vdh was 100% the best cuz spb uncapped.
But for pushing bear was infinitely stronger than vdh in 9.0
muted nexus
rip boomkin treant pulls
urban portal
Yeah they played bear in halls in mdi
muted nexus
muted nexus
lol it caps at 99?
urban portal
More necrotics stacks the higher healer dps is
strong forum
Yes necrotic caps at 99
strong forum
Think so
muted nexus
was it one of the tuned affixes that got set to scale with key level
strong forum
Never bothered to check
muted nexus
a coup months ago or w/e
strong forum
Necrotic got nerfed like 3 times in SL
muted nexus
p sure they tuned either that and/or bursting
toxic pewter
You guys think Dragonflight will introduce new affixes
strong forum
Has to
strong forum
And I hope storming inspiring and spiteful get removed again
toxic pewter
Maybe 3 more
toxic pewter
Ya I think I’m ready to get on the remove fort tyr
urban portal
i love storming
mighty valley
i don't haaaaaaaate storming post-nerfs
dawn canyon
i do
mighty valley
spiteful is tiresome because dps cry about it
mighty valley
inspiring depends on dungeon design
if we don't have anything like spires again then fine
muted nexus
theater has a couple packs with inspring that i wish they didnt
timber nest
do we still use shadowcore oil or are stones better now?
open gazelle
Can somebody explain why it’s bad to thunderclap with outburst even in aoe scenarios? Seems like goodish snap aoe mob threat to me
muted nexus
Can somebody explain why it’s bad to thunderclap with outburst even in aoe scena...
tl;dr way less rage
chrome falcon
if you need snap aoe mob threat then do it
but revenge will 99% of the time be enough
and more rage = more revenge
open gazelle
So I’m going to wait to shield slam even if I just used it for 5 sec rather than press my thunderclap which is off cd?? Tf
muted nexus
spend rage to proc ss
dawn canyon
Can somebody explain why it’s bad to thunderclap with outburst even in aoe scena...
outburst ss is 2 revenges which is more than the tc in dam
muted nexus
if u dont have rage, demo shout / charge /intervene / pray
chrome falcon
So I’m going to wait to shield slam even if I just used it for 5 sec rather than...
no, no-one said that
open gazelle
I understand holding for a ss for single target but in aoe ima clap dammit and do my normal rotation
chrome falcon
- in that situation you can spam revenge and wait for a proc
and 2) you can TC in that situation
however
you fucked up
by putting yourself in that position
dawn canyon
its not too bad to outburst a clap but it should be 3 to 1ish ratio in favour of SS
lofty widget
i mean you dont have to spend outburst the moment you proc it, if SS is on cd just revenge until it procs
and if youre gonna overwrite it you can use it on TC
chrome falcon
^
open gazelle
Ewww
chrome falcon
it's really not ew
open gazelle
I miss bfa clap to win
reef jolt
Might be a hella stupid question but like if you shield slam with 4pc does that also affect the cdr of "The Wall" ?
muted nexus
you can clap and pull similar dps on 5 or so mobs, but you lose all that delicious rage which means less everything else
lofty widget
Might be a hella stupid question but like if you shield slam with 4pc does that ...
nope
reef jolt
T-T
lofty widget
tier doesnt interact with anything besides the "base spell"
muted nexus
which, ultimately ends up a net dps loss anyways cuz less rage
toxic pewter
Say what you want about banner warrior, boring is something it is not
Gotta go fast
open gazelle
I love necro prot