protection

[urban portal]

maybe it would have to be a 20% heal, talent to be 40%

[chrome falcon]

WAY too op

IV is actually like

[urban portal]

thoughts?

[chrome falcon]

pretty fucking nuts

but indom is just absolutely insane

[jagged pier]

the whole point of the spec is your not supposed to have these

[dawn canyon]

IV indom in tandem

[crystal iris]

I guess, the point being to not take damage

[hazy edge]

Yeah IV would need a nerf to be baseline

[jagged pier]

as we are the only premetive tank yes that is the point

[crystal iris]

a single little heal would be nice though

[hazy edge]

tbh I feel like some spell that grants a ton of leech like Lichborne for dk would be a good spell to have as well

[jagged pier]

thats what indom is

[crystal iris]

doesnt have to be a full thing but we could have an extra / different defensive

[hazy edge]

nah like actual leech

just tack it onto LS

like 10-15% leech during LS

[crystal iris]

you guys dont like my idea of last stand increasing indom? 😆

[dawn canyon]

so like lichborne?

[dawn canyon]

with UF it already does indirectly

[hazy edge]

yeah exactly what I said

[dawn canyon]

i like that

[low kindle]

I feel like LS is pretty strong with UF conduit

without it, it's meh

[chrome falcon]

LS already does increase indom

[late wasp]

We really wanna attach even more to LS? I feel like LS is the time that my rage generation/spending is actually adequate, but I'm shit at managing it apparently

[chrome falcon]

it gives you more max hp

[crystal iris]

even removing demo shout from GCD would be nice

like eervy other tanks DR

[chrome falcon]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

now you're getting somewhere

[crystal iris]

servers up btw

[low kindle]

remember when IP used to be on GCD for like 1 season back in bfa?

[ocean yoke]

imagine if ip was still on gcd

[low kindle]

it was so horrible

[crystal iris]

Im not sure the logic behind having it on GCD

[chrome falcon]

it's a damage button

with BV

technically

[sweet summit]

avatar is a damage button

and is off the gcd

[crystal iris]

buttons that dont do anything direclty on the GCD feel bad

[chrome falcon]

yes i didn't say it was good logic

[crystal iris]

sweeping strikes, demo shout

[chrome falcon]

honestly they probably just forgot

SWEEPING STRIKES IS ON THE GCD?!??

[urban portal]

question:how bait is leech on DK though? disregarding borrowed power, DKs did piss damage and I'm fairly sure death strike healing doesnt interact w leech?

[crystal iris]

ya hahahah

[sweet summit]

SS has "half" the gcd baseline

[chrome falcon]

holy fuck man

arms players in absolute shambles

[crystal iris]

they had to add a small damage component to it because it felt so fkn bad

[low kindle]

i think sweeping on gcd isn't that bad, since arms CPM isn't that high imo

[dawn canyon]

[sweet summit]

literally 0.75 sec gcd when you press SS

[chrome falcon]

bro sweeping strikes is on the gcd in classic and that feels like ass

but i guess arms is a bedge spec

[hazy edge]

Leech is meh for bdk, they have 15% passively from voracious and no it doesn't interact with ds healing. but it's still free healing so it's nice

[sinful plover]

SS doesn’t feel too bad bc it specifically has an increased haste cd

[crystal iris]

The point being that any CD that has a time componant to it feels bad on the GCD

because if its a 15s buff you need to wait for GCD to do anything wasting time

[urban portal]

yeah thats what i thought, leech is pretty bad as a stat to look for but you just get so much of it baseline

its quite good on prot pal tho right

since wogs and they do a ton of damage

[hazy edge]

It's decent on prot pal. In general I think it's speed>avoid=leech for the plate tanks, with this current iteration of pwar being the exception and valuing leech more than speed.

[urban portal]

feel like speed>leech to run out faster for reprisal

[hazy edge]

I mean you have a 30% increase with banner already

[dawn canyon]

dude i did a key with our ppal and they got pi/fearies and ended with 43% wings uptime

if he had more leech thatd be so cracked

[urban portal]

sheesh

[dawn canyon]

was a cheeky lil 17400 dps overall for him

[onyx vessel]

i wonder what to take

[sweet summit]

you're not wondering

you're baiting

[jagged pier]

token

[onyx vessel]

codex for the memes obviously

[sweet summit]

[urban portal]

+100 apb creidts

[hazy edge]

I forgot to do a key on my warrior last week

[sweet summit]

same

[urban portal]

i forgot to play this game

too busy being baited by apb

[dawn canyon]

SAD!

[onyx vessel]

codex time

[chrome falcon]

just need to kill jailer on wednesday and i can forget to play this game for like 5 months

[jagged pier]

brah DF out in a month

[drifting fable]

[sick sentinel]

as long as i don't get legs or scale im good

[onyx vessel]

[jagged pier]

actually unbelieveable alpha isnt here yet as they seem pretty commited to release this year

[sick sentinel]

it'll do

haste option

[onyx vessel]

nice

i took codex

so now i can be a shitter

[urban portal]

what were your other options

becacuse shifting secondary stats on a weapon is a very little gain

especially when 1h have like tiny 2ndarys

[sick sentinel]

none

cuz of the 268 mald out i only ran 1 key

[drifting fable]

hey at least it wont matter in a few weeks

[timber nest]

@jagged pier i mean, the talent trees arent even complete yet and thats the only "system" they have announced

[urban portal]

heres hopes that theres 0 systems in 10.0

[timber nest]

278+speed phial in my vault, simming my fury upgrades. lets see what happens

[urban portal]

that phial seems crazy tho

remember phial undersims

[timber nest]

for prot?

[jagged pier]

right but the talents tress arent the only thing that needs testing and changing

[timber nest]

or for everything

[urban portal]

just in general

phial is better than it is

[timber nest]

do you know by how much?

[urban portal]

around 1 ish percent

its not concrete

[sick sentinel]

best overall for m+ is celestial guidance i think eh?

[timber nest]

yes

[urban portal]

yeah

its a mix of everything

[timber nest]

@jagged pier because i havnt followed anything, what do you say needs tuning?

no troll

[urban portal]

need to tune a LOT of things

[jagged pier]

the tress them selves will need to be tuned and tests

most likely changed

spells alone

will have to be tuned and tests

mobs in the world in dungeons and raids

etc etc

draing flying system needs testing

i can go on

the new expansion isnt just the talent trees that need doing

quest lines exp values, all this stuff needs to be tested and looked at

[timber nest]

@urban portal phial is +59 dps for me. so in reality its probably a bit more too

[chilly brook]

An entirely new class needs testing….

PvP performance of the new class systems

Whatever dumbass expansion feature that they haven’t told us about but for sure will throw in needs testing

[jagged pier]

just little things as well, like talent layouts need testing like the earlier ppl get to test the better especially as they want it out this year

its scary that we only have 3 classes talent trees and nothing else

[chilly brook]

This time we’ll be getting The Heart of Dragons

So that neck will need testing

[chilly brook]

Gib woyer tree now

[onyx vessel]

warrior goes to the bin then

[chilly brook]

It’d actually be really nice to see some abilities that have been pvp make it to the warrior tree

Like dragon charge

[jagged pier]

lets not forget that even after the delay shammans were still fucked for the first patch because they 'ran out of time'

[drifting fable]

they will test this year

on release

[onyx vessel]

getting rushed lack of resources staff etc

[jagged pier]

[chilly brook]

Don’t need to be good when you bring WFT

[onyx vessel]

[dawn canyon]

warbringer

[onyx vessel]

gag order

[chilly brook]

Man I miss that being an actual talent from legion

A stun that didn’t DR

[chrome falcon]

oh warbringer owned

that would be nice to see on general tree

[sick sentinel]

i'd settle for either charge is you stun your target (if it can be) or it shoves few out of way

used to be can stun i think

[brisk nimbus]

I hope they bring Glad stance back into the trees

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

[echo egret]

Not using Reprisal, but the Wall, is it normal I can't maintain banner up for too long on the Jailer ?

[chrome falcon]

if you're using a shitty legendary then yeah

[jagged pier]

no and also u should not be using the wall on jailer

[chrome falcon]

i recommend using a good legendary

[echo egret]

Jailer heroic is progression for us

[chrome falcon]

then it's even more important that you use a good legendary

[jagged pier]

u still dont use the wall there

[chrome falcon]

instead of a shitty legendary

[echo egret]

and I feel comfortable having my shield wall up for most big dmg

[urban portal]

its definitely not normal because the wall generates almost as much rage

[chrome falcon]

^ this also

[echo egret]

I couldn't find anything obvious I was doing wrong, hence the question

[mighty valley]

you can still have SW up for the tank combos with reprisal

[urban portal]

looking at a standard log, the wall would generate almost as much rage

[jagged pier]

u just need block

on hc

[urban portal]

the difference is less than 1 rage/sec

[echo egret]

shattering blast was more an issue than tank combo actually

but that's over next reset 🙂

[jagged pier]

right so u can SW 2 pillars

[chrome falcon]

link the log if you have it

[jagged pier]

u have SR for all of them

SR and IP should be enough on HC tbh

but u also have externals

and demo

[chrome falcon]

and fleshcraft

[echo egret]

our 0.1% wipe last night :
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1n4y92q7xmBHjgWa/#fight=18

[dawn canyon]

run aj wtf

[chrome falcon]

uh yeah

[dawn canyon]

that change kills it

[chrome falcon]

if you ran AJ

that would have literally killed the boss

[echo egret]

AJ ?

[chrome falcon]

ashen juggernaut

you also used 9 outbursts on TC

which is wayyyy too many

[echo egret]

did I have Ashen Juggernaut ????

[chrome falcon]

no

you had show of force

[echo egret]

ah

[dawn canyon]

you didnt intervene?

[echo egret]

I don't change my conduits for raids and M+

[chrome falcon]

he's not running rep

then you're trolling your raid

[dawn canyon]

he is

[chrome falcon]

if you're never gonna bother changing

then you need to run AJ

basically even in m+

and MASSIVELY better in raid

uh

[chrome falcon]

they said they were running the wall

[echo egret]

well if I had reprisal then it's me trusting a fucking failing addon that manages my gear then - I swear I activate my raid boss profile

[dawn canyon]

log says differently so idk

[chrome falcon]

i think we've found the problem

ashen juggernaut literally adds like

idk

6k dps

in execute

random number it might even be higher

[dawn canyon]

🤏

jailer obviously fucks cpm but still lo

w

[urban portal]

he ran reprisal for the 0.1%

[echo egret]

it just comforts what I think about the whole game : I hate the way you change gear/talents/counduits/everything depending on raid/encounter/M+

[chrome falcon]

dude

we literally change

one talent

[dawn canyon]

pwar has it a lot better than fury

[urban portal]

1 conduit and 1 talent

is that too much

[echo egret]

I just don't like it, sorry

[minor helm]

Prot doesn’t even change covenant

[chrome falcon]

we have 1 viable legendary

[urban portal]

you dont change gear ever

[dawn canyon]

thats completely fine

[chrome falcon]

1 viable covenant

we never have to change conduits

or soulbinds

we literally have to easiest out of maybe everyone

[echo egret]

but my question was only about banner uptime tbh, there are plenty of cuplrits for that 0.1% wipe

[chrome falcon]

yeah your cpm is just like

20 casts too low

and obviously legendary

[deep steppe]

.

[urban portal]

he ran reprisal in the 0.1% wipe

and still had 46% uptime

[chrome falcon]

yeah

but he didn't kjnow he was running it

[urban portal]

its just a play issue

[chrome falcon]

he thought he had wall

[dawn canyon]

rage waste is little but gen idk

[vernal vale]

Only banner I actually liked was aoe taunt one lol

Best thing to return would be this

[echo egret]

(and if that fucking game would allow auto-change conduits outside of soul machine, then it would be much better)

[chrome falcon]

you don't need to change conduits

just run AJ

and don't bother going back to sof

[echo egret]

even in M+ ?

[dawn canyon]

yes

[chrome falcon]

if you can't be fucked to change it

then yes

not running AJ in raid

is giga trolling

[dawn canyon]

also really good in tyra

killing bosses deader is good

[urban portal]

show of force just doesnt do anything

especially considering how little ppl press tclap

[echo egret]

ok

[urban portal]

in sense's dos 27, show of force did like 1% of his damage

its not bad

but its not game changing

finishing a mob off faster with ashen is probably not valuable

[timber nest]

has +20 mists route changed much? or is it pretty basic?

[dawn canyon]

You have 2 options

Either play the s2 Route with some cc on the weird pack

Or go left and Grab wo

[verbal hill]

slot to craft unity?

[sick sentinel]

chest or helmet

[sweet summit]

belt or head

wtf yogi

no

[toxic pewter]

if you never will mythic raiding- do chest

[sweet summit]

no

[dawn canyon]

Helmet is same stats with Socket

[sick sentinel]

chest or head is the best 2 options is it not? helmet if you raid and chest ir not

[sweet summit]

@ionic fern

[topaz field]

chest or helmet is correct

[toxic pewter]

explain why I am wrong

[shell shale]

Helm gives free socket go brrrrr

[toxic pewter]

thats true

[cobalt seal]

can you 2 trolls pls stop giving bad info to people?

[sweet summit]

why would you do chest??

[sick sentinel]

someone told me to do chest, so yeah, and i hated gloves stats so i did gloves

[toxic pewter]

so its always helmet then

[verbal hill]

Wowhead says waist/ring??

[sick sentinel]

because "it has the most stats"

[toxic pewter]

u r the troll

[sweet summit]

waist is good
helm is ideal if you have 4 set in other slots
ring is fine

[urban portal]

Isn’t helm the same thing as chest

[jagged pier]

erga u been raid logging to much buddy chest is a good slot if u cant get 285 tier pieces

[sweet summit]

???

[drifting fable]

helm gets socket

[jagged pier]

stat budget big

[sweet summit]

makes no sense to me??

[topaz field]

chest or helmet

[urban portal]

Outside of that yeah

[topaz field]

helmet has better stats

[drifting fable]

then yes same stats

[jagged pier]

and u kept the stats on helm

[ionic fern]

Hi

I was summoned

[minor helm]

[sweet summit]

[drifting fable]

i hope youre having a good day mwahi

[ionic fern]

Yeah. In the forest ignoring Discord.

[jagged pier]

[drifting fable]

best way to be

[dawn canyon]

Touching grass

Geez

[ionic fern]

I legit slept in a tent after like 15 years.

[jagged pier]

tent sleep bis sleep

no city noice

quiet

dark no light pllution

sunggly in sleeping bag

[ionic fern]

Ya,especially when your daughter is like half your size but takes 80% iof the tent area cause she likes sleeping like a starfish.

[minor helm]

[jagged pier]

[minor helm]

We love our starfish folks

[drifting fable]

damn i miss camping

i need to touch some grass myself

[jagged pier]

then go outside

[drifting fable]

fuck that

🤔

[sick sentinel]

wrong server, apologies

camping in the woods is good

[lusty tiger]

In Florida if I turn off the fan in my room here in the middle of the summer, it feels like camping

[minor helm]

It feels like being in a sauna you mean

[toxic pewter]

I set up camp all the time as a Vulpera

[lusty tiger]

Saunas don’t also have 100 degree heat lamps lol

I hope not

You know summer has begun when the air is so still in the middle of the day, you can light a match in the the street and watch it burn all the way down

[ionic fern]

Wait,saunas with heat lamps?

What is this

[lusty tiger]

Being anywhere in south Florida during summer

[drifting fable]

i live in texas, i feel your pain

[oblique garnet]

Huh what is this heresy

[ionic fern]

Exactly..

That's not a sauna.

[waxen orbit]

That’s a microwave bruh

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwSbwbt1_14

since the other day was independence day

[ionic fern]

Yogi..one last time - stop with the YT videos.

[languid carbon]

Hi guys. In m+ anything below 70% SB uptime is considered trolling, right?

[jagged pier]

uptime is useless information blocked hits is what we care about and thats only viewable in logs

[languid carbon]

Ah!

Okay, makes sense.

[errant oriole]

Hey guys I hate to ask this here but I am torn my guild hates prot warriors and I love the play style. I am also leaning towards vdh for next season but I am loving prot warriors playstyle. I get the whole play what you want but I feel like my guild will just sit me over any mistake I make on my prot warrior. Any ideas, sorry if this is a dumb thing to ask.

[jagged pier]

guilds dumb

find a new guild

[languid carbon]

Might be a dumb answer but: Switching guilds is not an option?

[ionic fern]

Or try to convince them that Prot is fine. What are their concerns? They seem to be not informed.

[jagged pier]

what lvl on content do u do?

[cobalt seal]

Normal raid

[jagged pier]

we know about u Cro

[cobalt seal]

Toxic

[errant oriole]

Just heroic and they are so concerned about tank dmg and they think prot warriors suck compared to other tanks

[jagged pier]

prot warrior is top tank damage

[errant oriole]

Thats honestly what they tell me lol

[jagged pier]

and its heroic doesnt fucking matter

[errant oriole]

This is true but I think some people are just meta chasers in the guild aka the officers

[mighty valley]

???

link them logs, we slap

or do you mean incoming tank damage

in which case we also rule

who cares

[cobalt seal]

Why would they want a vdh for dmg

[jagged pier]

tank damage stats from the last 2 week

for all pecntiles

[errant oriole]

Well prob incoming dmg cause dear lord healers have to heal and not dps

[cobalt seal]

Lol

I dont whats worst

[mighty valley]

we're one of the steadiest tanks, inc damage wise

[jagged pier]

welll unless you playing warrior really badly

[cobalt seal]

You lack of ability to defend yourself

[jagged pier]

u dont take any damage

[cobalt seal]

Or the braindead officers

[jagged pier]

now whos being toxic

[urban portal]

VDH both takes more damage and does less damage

vdh is actually hot garbage

[cobalt seal]

Lol

[urban portal]

@cobalt seal you know what my next sentence is right

[errant oriole]

Haha currently i main a brewmaster but it is soo boring.

[cobalt seal]

Another feelcrafter

[mighty valley]

the negative prot warrior vibes are still strong, despite reality

[cobalt seal]

Its better be /s

[urban portal]

ok you know

[jagged pier]

almost like prot does was monk does but better

[errant oriole]

Exactly!

[cobalt seal]

So prove your point to officers lol

[urban portal]

honestly

[cobalt seal]

Its a HC guild who cares

[urban portal]

just pug aotc

and then flex on the officers

[cobalt seal]

I have a bdk in guild 272 doing 3k on jailer hc

[jagged pier]

[urban portal]

sheesh

[cobalt seal]

It doesnt matter what you play on hc

Play whatever you want

If they dont like it

Their lost

[oblique garnet]

Mans just vibing in raid nothing wrong with that in heroic

[errant oriole]

Atm since they got aotc wothout me cause i had irl stuff to do no one wants to show up to do anything anymore. Ill try pugging it tonight

[oblique garnet]

Not everyone has to be 99 parsing gamer

And in reality wont be

[cobalt seal]

At least dont be a 9

[mighty valley]

also aotc isn't tied to the mount, you can just go slap the jailer giga overgeared later

[oblique garnet]

Its heroic its irrelevant doesnt matter

[cobalt seal]

Since he usually talks shit about the tanks we pug

[errant oriole]

I did have to laugh my co tank told me well damage isnt everything meanwhile hes maining blood dk

[oblique garnet]

Casual people will play how they play

[mighty valley]

i respect people who single digit parse more than i respect people who force meta switches in hc

[oblique garnet]

And not see the issue themselves

[urban portal]

oh rly

i thought it was tied to atoc

[cobalt seal]

I need to bully mandl

To review his log

[oblique garnet]

@viral arch

[jagged pier]

@viral arch

[errant oriole]

Anyways you guys rock thanks!

[cobalt seal]

https://tenor.com/view/snitches-get-stitches-gif-11754463

[jagged pier]

not even pinging the person u gunna be toxic too thats

[oblique garnet]

I think you misunderstood

[cobalt seal]

Doubt he is on any class discord

[oblique garnet]

He wants mandl to review the log of his cotank

[cobalt seal]

Im not tanking

Im a Hunter main

[jagged pier]

oof

[oblique garnet]

[jagged pier]

[toxic pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/steve-carell-the-office-yikes-this-is-the-worst-cringe-gif-21219465

[oblique garnet]

Jakey do i resub

[jagged pier]

no

[cobalt seal]

I pay for your sub

If you perma ban apb

[strong forum]

cro at this point you dont main anything

[cobalt seal]

Not wrong

I suck at everything

[jagged pier]

same

[oblique garnet]

Do i resub to ff

[jagged pier]

if u want

🤷

[toxic pewter]

…yikes…

[grave crane]

Not much to do for the next month and even after that it’s just raids we already done so resub if you want

[sick sentinel]

i handled cro like a true prot warrior, i blocked him

[cobalt seal]

@oblique garnet do we have a deal?

[oblique garnet]

I dont take bribes

[cobalt seal]

Shame on you

[toxic pewter]

I’ll leave if you pay for my sub

[cobalt seal]

I dont trust anything you say

So

[sick sentinel]

he was casting some kind of toxic debuff and it hit me, 2 spells cuz he has had 2 toxic symbol PFP's

[toxic pewter]

[sick sentinel]

so, i blocked him and ignore the pain,

[cobalt seal]

For someone who you ignoring

You for sure talk lots about it

[toxic pewter]

Yogi he say he love you

[cinder storm]

if you had a 278 shield you could be blocking more instead

[sick sentinel]

the yellow names and blue and orange don't often cast tank buster on me

he's just trash mob like me and rest of us lol

[toxic pewter]

[cinder storm]

[oblique garnet]

Not when it comes to banning

[toxic pewter]

I have been banned before and I saw the darkness there. I am back now with a second chance. I will not squander this.

[strong forum]

ive also been banned

actually no it was just a 12sec mute

[toxic pewter]

I have never been muted

This is one of the most tolerant discords of all time

I value my membership here and I will prove to you all I am a changed man

It may take days, weeks, maybe even years

[dawn canyon]

i will change that

[minor helm]

Two trolls

[toxic pewter]

Lmao

[dawn canyon]

[toxic pewter]

LOL

[dawn canyon]

(ztrol hate)

🙏

same

[sweet summit]

fake and real

[minor helm]

Speak ur truth bestie

[distant crystal]

they cropped off the next line where he said, "...It's great!" like Tony the Tiger

[minor helm]

I cropped it and no after that Erga said something to put him on a list

Had to crop them out

For safety

[sweet summit]

?

[lusty tiger]

NL, 2x Lego + 4pc…

Booming voice or best served cold?

[jagged pier]

your choice in m+

BV in raid

[lusty tiger]

I haven’t been liking booming voice tbh

[chrome falcon]

BV more forgiving and better defensively

[lusty tiger]

M+ yeah

[chrome falcon]

BSC marginally more damage

they're very close

[lusty tiger]

I’m low ilvl I think I literally need the threat from BSC

Been having threat issues

[chrome falcon]

threat should be pretty easy as long as you're

[jagged pier]

yer thats probably not a gear thing

[lusty tiger]

I’m 245 ilvl so sometimes my ww monk pulls off

[chrome falcon]

ah well

if your ww is like way more geared

that's more understandable

[lusty tiger]

Yeah I only inv nontrolls so I can troll them with amazing 245 prot tanking

Only threat issues with 20+ ilvl difference gamers

[chrome falcon]

fair enough then tbh

it's probably still manageable but not easily

might need to outburst a TC if you can but

hate to do that

[jagged pier]

well it should be 1:3 TC : SS

and using outburst on TC on pull isnt bad

[serene steppe]

What do people pull the first golem in Spires with? I have been in 3 groups today and wiped in all in the first 2 pulls

Tried pulling first 3 mobs, then golem + 2nd group. Tried First two groups without golem and then golem + 3rd group

[jagged pier]

i usually do first 2 groups and golem

if your wiping there is just to ppl not interrupting

[chrome falcon]

^

[mighty valley]

depends on affixes + how much i trust the kicks

[chrome falcon]

just need to sort out kicks before you start key

[mighty valley]

there's so much in spires that people can kick

and then everyone's burned for the golem

[serene steppe]

Ye I was just thinking what would be the best way to do the start

Especially during this week Im pretty anxious to pull both groups + golem

EU week that is

[lusty tiger]

I know for a fact I’m not proccing my reprisal Lego enough so I was wondering if there was a reliable cheese y’all use to keep it up on maybe smaller pulls

[jagged pier]

press buttons

[lusty tiger]

Tru yea usually warrior strat

Do you just jump out w your shockwave and charge back to the furthest mob?

[jagged pier]

u can just walk out]

charge a caster

your over thinking it too much

[lusty tiger]

Yeah 100%

[chrome falcon]

yeah just backpedal

you have 30% MS from banner

they're probably slowed by tc

[bold nimbus]

Will mecha shield be worth hunting in s4? Together with the 1h axe

[lofty widget]

was super lackluster in bfa, and it only has 1 secondary

so probably not

[strong forum]

its literally the worst shield in the game

[vernal vale]

Take this from a guy who left a guild who was being told how I should play prot.

Leave the guild find a new home and dps if you have to for a bit. I am so much happier and I worked into a tank spot.

[strong forum]

the 1h axe however is good for parsing

[sick sentinel]

i don't even know what the cap was... 485?i had one of those in my box best i had for a long time

not the worst experience

i think i ended BFA with that shield

[strong forum]

sad

but yes 485

[distant crystal]

i ended bfa all chadded out with giga bis azerite and general gear

and a weakass io score

[strong forum]

i atleast got close to like 5k

had some fun

[bold nimbus]

Tbh i dont even recall on the shield from bfa but saw it yday in the dungeon journal

[distant crystal]

i think first boss nyalotha had a sick shield

didn't it?

[bold nimbus]

Wrathilion? Hmm

But we gonna have access only to junk and work in s4

[strong forum]

Good question actually

What shields can we get from m+

[chrome falcon]

well surely they rework the wod dungeon loot tables

because they're super whacked out and weird

[strong forum]

surely

[bold nimbus]

Yeah like gazilion loot per boss haha

[distant crystal]

S4 you'd get tarragrue shield right

[strong forum]

Sylv, lod or slg

Cuz 311 ilvl

[distant crystal]

well yeah

but tarragrue will be a free 304

[bold nimbus]

Yeah

[strong forum]

Tarra or skolex

But im thinking more m+ ykno

Cuz raid shields are quite the myth

[distant crystal]

I feel like every M+er will need to kill M tarragrue every third week

easiest boss ever

Can prob make an all paladin/warrior pug lol

[strong forum]

Depending on many people we get, some friends and I will clear heroic every week and a few easy mythic bosses for as long as we can stand it

[hazy edge]

I mean you get ez mythic loot that way

[urban portal]

first 3 mythic was easy in 9.1

[strong forum]

First mythic are always easy

[hazy edge]

With free items and upgrade tokens

[urban portal]

9.0 i think hungering is quite hard depends on what strats ppl are familar with

9.2 not bad either

[strong forum]

Mythic in general is quite easy

The commitment to it however is what blows

The schedule

[hazy edge]

I mean a good group can steamroll heroic in an hour

[strong forum]

Ya heroic is w/e

But mythic with an uncoordinated group takes its toll

[hazy edge]

And with upgrade tokens that’s all you really need

[strong forum]

That's the plan

6 weeks of heroic full clears

And you should be set with coins + upgrades

Get the 3 trinkets like that, if you need weapons you get em from sod/sepu first 3 mythic

Ezclap

[bold nimbus]

Im in

[distant crystal]

[bold nimbus]

[patent osprey]

[distant crystal]

what's a noah white

i wonder if i'm related

[oblique garnet]

Its a druid player

[distant crystal]

👀 I'm a druid player

[oblique garnet]

doubt it

[distant crystal]

my brother from another mother

[oblique garnet]

@void grail

[strong forum]

Famous sylvanas screamer

[oblique garnet]

Also famous sludgefist screecher

[void grail]

wtf

[oblique garnet]

Is it wrong

[void grail]

yeah true

[oblique garnet]

https://www.twitch.tv/hipposareneat/clip/BlueUninterestedHerbsStinkyCheese-UpZbTGHzg__ubuZZ?filter=clips&range=all&sort=time

cant find the sludge

[distant crystal]

that's a solid scream

[void grail]

this was my reaction to finding out i could kiss dudes instead of girls actually

[sick sentinel]

so, i have a PF key, and its tyranical, and the groups i've gone with before wanting me to do red slime, i now understand it involves red slime past the first boss room

[distant crystal]

[shell fox]

his scream shakes the video

[sick sentinel]

so, say i invis to first boss room, and then so the small slimes is pull 1, each of the green gummies is 1 each so thats 3 pulls, but then you got the red slime and hes like 3 pulls from that if you hold W

like im trying to figure out on which pull number i'm supposed to have pulled this pack by, and with anything or not.

[oblique garnet]

You kill trash there

Couple of packs

But i just usually hold w because people fuck around with the invis skip forget we did it and in worst case brick it

[sick sentinel]

this is the best way i would know how to pull this

[dawn canyon]

wtf lmao

[sick sentinel]

i've definitely heard of this with out pulling the left green gummy besid boss, but i've never done that strategy or really trust us not to mess it up

[bold nimbus]

Hmm u are not sure when to pull the red?

[mighty valley]

it doesn't really matter how specifically you do it, just get the pack with the red slime last and don't kill it

[bold nimbus]

Yeah

[distant crystal]

you can kill it last or just drag it all to the boss room

you need like 4-5 kicks to get it up there without boops/grips

[patent osprey]

https://www.twitch.tv/plkatv/v/1520842585?sr=a&t=20590s

U can see the wall strat in this vod

5 hr 44 min mark

@sick sentinel

[bold nimbus]

[sick sentinel]

okay i'll look at what this person does

go from there,

[distant crystal]

yo i need to abuse those cannisters for reprisal

[sick sentinel]

okay, unfamaliar way of doing it to me

beside the wall looks simple tricky, reflect stomps and if cant reflect avoid i gues?

[bold nimbus]

The stomp from boss? Think u cant avoid it but sp should be up for every boss stomp

[sick sentinel]

bfa when u could intervene friendly npcs in m+

[distant crystal]

did those flags work for intervene

the ones from MoP that casters would use for that one orb trinket

[shut summit]

our banners? yes

[chrome falcon]

intervening banners was sick

[distant crystal]

i meant the racing flags

[timber nest]

can someone help me understand lihuvim tank mechanic?

im usually dps but im filling in for mythic tonight

[chrome falcon]

which mechanic

the combo?

[timber nest]

yes

[chrome falcon]

you press shield wall

and spell reflect

and tank the whole combo

then your co-tank solo tanks the next combo

then you shield wall and spell reflect the next

it's the easiest tank fight in the raid

[timber nest]

randomly just got meleed for 110k after a cosmic shift...

[chrome falcon]

you're supposed to swap after the combo

[timber nest]

it was before the combo

he turned around and smacked me a 110k after the raid stack thing

[chrome falcon]

oh

yeah

you need to swap after you clear motes too

12 second phys damage+ debuff

after you clear motes

so it goes motes->swap->combo->swap->motes->swap->combo

you swap after every mote clear and every combo

[cinder storm]

Literally pug life
-tank grouping adds takes 0.5s
-dps starts blasting
-pika's real voice?

[sick sentinel]

imagine that, but your in canada, and your connection to people in mexico and brazil with no voice comms, + you don't share a common language with them

[hardy ridge]

has anyone else had to soak 2 cosmic ejections (6 stacks) and 2 gravitational collapses for each phase on mythic rygelon?

[sick sentinel]

before you say "it can't be that bad" one time i was doing LFR EP queens court to get reliquaries most likely, as pwar, and the other tank a dk 95% sure, we had the entire raid trying to speak to this guy, and use google translate, whispering him whole 9 yards and we were unable to properly communicate with him how to execute the boss swap where you both tanks run across room

nobody can kick him because he has immunity to vote kick for reasons

like, half the LFR left, everyone else in tears laughing

[cinder storm]

Communication wise mechatorkke was the worst fight, had someone who was color blind in a raid, he couldn't keep raiding because he felt bad, people with social anxieties or just bots bugging and people blaming you after wiping a whole night

[sick sentinel]

thats true, i was watching asmongold mald TF out on some lost ark boss tonight and cuphead the night before, very easy to get super tilted i mean

[chrome falcon]

yeah what's up

[hardy ridge]

nice

do you need a cd for 2nd cosmic ejection soak

[chrome falcon]

i would FC it if it wasn't in range of the boss

[sick sentinel]

his team wasn't able to communicate properly and it was an actual skill check thing, instant death failure punishment and look at the damn screen type mechanics

[hardy ridge]

then you use wall for 1 collapse and call for a dr for 2nd?

[chrome falcon]

if i was forced to FC earlier then yes

i called for a lot of externals on that fight for sure

[hardy ridge]

aegis is up everytime you need to do 2nd cosmic ejection

then im rotating scale + fc for 2nd gravitational collapse + a dr

[chrome falcon]

i didn't run scale

felt too bad with aegis

i ran RDM

[hardy ridge]

aegis + rdm?

[chrome falcon]

yup

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1ZKDLyzFXqVRvwgY#fight=3&type=summary&source=3

that's the log if you want to look

[hardy ridge]

im running scale bc I died like twice last week on 2nd graviational collapse

with a sac

[chrome falcon]

i only used SW 3 times when i probably could have done 4

[hardy ridge]

unless it fell bc the pally got low

from like 70%

[chrome falcon]

yeah i would die to 2nd grav if i had a bad stack of the dot from the boss

even through a dr sometimes

RDM did 600 dps and 680 hps

so pretty insane

[cinder nova]

Might be a bug, but Glory isn't working for me.

Must have been a bug with M+ or something, it wasn't working for me earlier.

[waxen orbit]

Oh yeah

Sometimes after you pull a boss

If you had banner popped maybe a second or two right before

It removes it

Also mythic Jailer is kinda fun to tank after the nerfs won't lie

[cinder storm]

What's your experience been?

[waxen orbit]

First night on it with this group

Down to 66%

[cinder nova]

Not, what I'm talking about.

I had Unity hat on, in M+, press banner, and rage spent wasn't bumping the duration.

[waxen orbit]

Oh

Strange

[chrome falcon]

yeah unity do es that sometimes

nothing to do with glory specifically

unity just doesn't work every now and then

works with a relog or reequip

[cinder nova]

Nothing like noticing it halfway through a key

I hate life

[hardy ridge]

@chrome falcon just got rygelon 😄

[chrome falcon]

hope you got the 1h

[hardy ridge]

haha nope

got the cape off lords tho

[waxen orbit]

33% pull

ez boss

[hardy ridge]

about to get my first pull on him

prolly gonna die a lot to bombs

💣

[distant crystal]

shit you might get your last pull later tonight from the sounds of it

[ocean yoke]

holy hell lords is a joke of a fight now

got him 1 night

[waxen orbit]

Nah but got a 25% pull

My first night on him

25%

Was just filling in for their group's tank for this night but hey

It's proof I could've gone CE this patch at least (after all the nerfs KEKW)

I'll take that much

[sick sentinel]

i had a shaman in some key who claimed to have smiliar issue with leggo unknown

[chrome falcon]

EU so haven't pulled jailer yet

we were getting to p3 sometimes last sunday so pretty sure boss dies in like 3 pulls tonight

[shut summit]

its a huge joke

[vernal vale]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/jc6WyChpw8krMYDK/#view=rankings&boss=-2&difficulty=0&wipes=2 new raid team within the guild figuring things out learning to tank with yet another different tank

overall not too bad for the first real night

hopefully i can ride out this expac and get mythic raiding in dragonflight

[chrome falcon]

It definitely looked like a joke on your last vid sense

Can’t remember a final boss just getting their third and fourth phases just deleted like that in a nerf

No guild is ever gonna see half the p3 mechanics ever again

Heal absorbs? Azeroth missiles? What are those

[chrome falcon]

ngl it seems pretty criminal that you can’t get into a mythic guild

[vernal vale]

my current guild has mythic teams but they are full at this point

[stuck rock]

Its so hard to find a good guild as a tank, all spots are full and you will probably get stuck as a dps for a long time before some other tanks rerolls or quits

[waxen orbit]

It really is man

They overnerfed the shit out of it

[elfin surge]

Q: How valuable or not is the 'Blade dancers armor kit' ? I am debating to choose it or not from my weekly vault rewards.

[blazing condor]

just read the name of the emote

[jagged pier]

[blazing condor]

maybe if you get a 278 one and have a 200 ilvl trinket or something you could choose it for the strength

[jagged pier]

well its better than codex

[blazing condor]

time to update the emote

to codex

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-14359850

[blazing condor]

[open bluff]

healer dies 50% on devos
shaman tries to call a wipe at 25%
shaman leaves at 10% after everyone else dies
prot warr finishes the boss solo
group:

(timed it, too)

[grave crane]

message the shaman and let him know he lacks conviction

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/lackoffaith-disturbing-darthvader-starwars-gif-4883104

[open bluff]

unfortunately cross-faction or i'd have asked him how the valor tasted

what'll suck even worse is pugging the new necrotic wake key on probably the most troll affix combo for randoms

[jagged pier]

what is it?

[blazing condor]

sang storm

[open bluff]

sang, storm, tyrannical

[jagged pier]

oh thoses are nothing affixes not troll

thats just pugs being pugs

[open bluff]

yeh, just necrotic they have a hard enough time not pulling extra

so it'll be "fun" watching them blow it

[drifting juniper]

got my weapon from vault

hallelujah

[blazing condor]

ez

[jagged pier]

[wintry nymph]

[viral arch]

https://tenor.com/view/fuck-you-fuck-off-middle-finger-flip-off-ryan-stiles-gif-5613668

[cobalt seal]

Thats my quote

Dont steal it

[orchid frigate]

been trying to get hold of a ticking sack of terror for my warrior but no luck so far. have a soleah and wonder how it holds up compared to it?

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/fuck-you-fuck-off-middle-finger-flip-off-ryan-stiles-gif-5613668

[jagged pier]

solesh is fine

[orchid frigate]

sounds interesting to stack vers with inc seasonal affix

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-14359850

[orchid frigate]

hehe

why not?

[cobalt seal]

What does sound interesting

[orchid frigate]

was thinking along the lines that you will become super tanky towards the end of a dungeon

[cobalt seal]

10% dr

Super tanky

[orchid frigate]

not more? 😮

[deft hinge]

dim ret in action maybe?

[orchid frigate]

hm

[cobalt seal]

Even if its 20%

That it isnt

Still wouldnt pick vers

Over haste

[orchid frigate]

i see

well haste is more fun to have so i dont mind

[cobalt seal]

No tank is gonna pick vers

[strong forum]

You're gonna get 20-30 stacks of the buff

So it's literally fuckall levels of vers

When you could get 40-60% of extra haste

And they're all %gains, so they ignore the DRs

However haste is multiplicative, so it gets better the more you have of it

[orchid frigate]

nice!

[strong forum]

Blizz doesn't want another corruption vers stacking bullshit meta, rightfully so, so they've recently nerfed the vers option to 1% gain instead of 2%

[cobalt seal]

And we wouldnt stack vers

(tanks)

5 tanks would go haste

Then brm crit/vers

[strong forum]

I think pally might get mastery, and bear vers/crit cuz they just get so much from venthyr

Bear would go beyond gcd cap during incarn and just lose alot value

[wild hemlock]

ive always enjoyed tank alts for m+. main an ele sham. started doing my first 20s last week on prot warrior and hoooooooolllllyyyyyyy fun

this week should be much much easier yeah?

[strong forum]

Easier on the tank in terms of dmg intake, yes

More fun? No

Sanguine and storming are absolute shit fun-wise

[wild hemlock]

yeahhhhhhh super un fun but the tyran mobs should be a joke

[blazing condor]

At least its tyran so storming and sang doesnt really affect bosses

[wild hemlock]

next week: fort,rage, explosives. literally not playing next week lol

[dawn canyon]

Wdym

That's pretty good

[wild hemlock]

i hate explosives in pugs lol

[dawn canyon]

Explosives are for healers and raging doesnt matter if pack is ccd low

[dawn canyon]

Pugs

[wild hemlock]

theres some healers in the 15-20 range that screech cause they dont kill them themselves

[dawn canyon]

Can you macro cast @explosive on spells

Cuz there might be more than 1 on screen

[lofty widget]

you cant iirc, they work like totems

[dawn canyon]

mouseover frostshock time

[sick sentinel]

Are there any notably important times to cast shattering throw?

In dungeons or raid

[jagged pier]

yes lots of times

[toxic pewter]

Last boss of necrotic wake is a popular one

[sick sentinel]

Just for absorb shields damage or should I use it throughout for the other positives?

[sick sentinel]

<3

[sweet summit]

any absorbs

don't remember if you can block or not while casting

so might be risky if you can't

[sick sentinel]

Just wasn't sure where the cast time is worth the damage decrease from rotation

[toxic pewter]

It’s worth it if there’s an absorb on the mob and you know you’ll get the cast off before it goes away or dies

[sick sentinel]

Dope thank you

[oblique garnet]

how much does shattering throw do?

Its what 18k ? to absorb

[blazing condor]

you can time a shattering throw on Hakkar so that it hits as soon as he pops his blood barrier, and since the barrier grows in absorb over time you can pop the barrier instantly

[jagged pier]

🤷

like if u arent gunna get an outburst SS on the absorb

u might as well shattering

like u can still do the hakkar thingy

hard to do i know

[oblique garnet]

IMO the only case where you will get benefit from ST is if you can instapop hakkar shield

Otherwise the cast is too long

[jagged pier]

goliath

oh high fort

[blazing condor]

now with banners and stuff it's probably not as worth

but yeah

goliath helps

[jagged pier]

its not as worth as it use to be

[oblique garnet]

im like 90% sure non outburst ss does more than shattering

[jagged pier]

no

[blazing condor]

shattering does hella damage to shields and absorbs

[jagged pier]

crit maybe

normal no shattering does more

[oblique garnet]

How much is normal SS with banner up but no outburst?=

[jagged pier]

10k

average is 6k tho

[oblique garnet]

no way its that little

[jagged pier]

with banner

without avatar or outburst

[oblique garnet]

[jagged pier]

that is on jailor tho

so armour values and stuff

but its def still worth if u dont have outburst

i think your forgetting that SS hit for 2k base late

[oblique garnet]

probabl

[muted nexus]

is necro worth it in uncoordinated groups? i am able to consistently keep banner up through pugs, but not sure it's providing its weight in gold as benefits

[oblique garnet]

yes

[jagged pier]

ye

its a personal buff

[oblique garnet]

ignore your team

play selfish

[muted nexus]

lmao fair enough

[jagged pier]

i hold banner till i run out of the buff if that means i only casst it 4 times a dungeon so be it

[oblique garnet]

even if this is the case tho shattering is a long ass cast where you can potentially get the outburst proc anyways and would do more damage that way

thats my biggest issue with it

and the fact that it really doesnt do much damage

[jagged pier]

which is why i said if u arent going to get outburst its worth

if the absorb comes up and your at liek 1-3 stacks

u might as well shattering

[oblique garnet]

that also depends on how much rage do you currently have and can you get the proc before shattering cast would also finish

its so aids since shattering damage isnt so far ahead if you really want to minmax

Theres too many variables

[sick sentinel]

Should I be going Necro over kyrian for prot m+?

[jagged pier]

u should always be necro over kyrian

[wintry nymph]

i heard necro best at everything

ye that ^

[sick sentinel]

Necro arms?

[jagged pier]

well this is the prot channel

[sick sentinel]

Gotcha

[jagged pier]

so we kinda focus on prot spec in here

[sick sentinel]

.

[sick sentinel]

.

[dawn canyon]

always in the context of prot

[sick sentinel]

👌

[jagged pier]

fun thing thats why we have spec specific channels

[wintry nymph]

[sick sentinel]

Just following the logic of the conversation I specified prot m+ and you responded with always

[jagged pier]

but as protection u are always necro

[sick sentinel]

Then I asked for clarification

[toxic pewter]

yah all text you read in here is always about prot unless otherwise mentioned

cuz it is a prot channel

[sick sentinel]

Oh thought I was in beast mastery oops

[wintry nymph]

ugh 😂

[toxic pewter]

No need to troll wecc

We are here offering you help

[wild hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/salt-salt-intensifies-salty-gif-12158900

[wintry nymph]

Pretty sure Jakey clarified that it was best at everything, since u put 'm+' in there. He was just saying that its best in raids too

[toxic pewter]

yeah best at everything prot

[sick sentinel]

I'm just kidding I asked for clarification and got a condescending response. Don't give it if you can't take it

[toxic pewter]

There was no condescension occurring

[sick sentinel]

.

[wintry nymph]

damn

this man

[toxic pewter]

Well yeah, it is the prot channel

[wintry nymph]

im out

[sick sentinel]

Oh I thought I was in bm channel.

[toxic pewter]

Well you are in a prot channel asking about arms

[oblique garnet]

[sick sentinel]

I wasn't asking about arms I was clarifying the "always"

Incase I missed something about the other spec

[toxic pewter]

always necro as prot in m+ just like you phrased your question