protection

[strong forum]

cuz all their dmg was dots

[vernal vale]

Without a weapon they couldn't heal

I'm actually excited for wrath classic to pvp like that again.

[strong forum]

i dont wanna ruin my nostalgia

tbc and wrath were great memories, and thats what theyll stay

[hollow sun]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtdKyVyJFD4&t=350s

5:10

[vernal vale]

Part of me feels that way but I do want to prot warrior stance dance again. Do pvp as prot like that again.

[vernal vale]

Shield spikes OP

Bring back shield spikes lol

[vernal vale]

https://youtu.be/622rVgbM6sI

Taith was amazing

[hollow sun]

i mean, drowning pool. NF warrior with culling of stratholme shield

can't get more nostalgic than this

[vernal vale]

Yeah

[hollow sun]

unfortunately the best video got deleted

there was a 19k shield slam crit on a rog

i even remember the title, but can't find it anyway

with rob zombie in the background

he had strenght of the taunka from dbw, back when you could charge to the graveyard of warsong gulch

[vernal vale]

It might be out there somewhere but finding it would be the problem.

[sick sentinel]

no idea when or where (to as in server) but im gunna buy a server transfer and probably whenever season 4 or 10.0 launches go to alliance

[toxic pewter]

Can just level a new alliance character it doesn’t take long

Can just spam dungeons

[sick sentinel]

he wont have 277 ilvl tho

or all the quest crap unlocked

[toxic pewter]

That’s true for df that won’t matter much

But season 4 I understand

[sick sentinel]

i spent all of BFA and all of SL playing this character, can't abandon him

[toxic pewter]

What race you goin

[sick sentinel]

mostl likely going to rogue's server

[toxic pewter]

Prob dwarf?

[sick sentinel]

dwarf, either, i know i really shouldn't do it, but i can get a free name change out of the deal if i make a lvl 1 same name 🙂

[toxic pewter]

Ya

[sick sentinel]

"ah someone took your name, you have to change it" that was my plan...

[toxic pewter]

Ya

Not bad idea

[dawn canyon]

yes u can

[strong forum]

server transfer give your free name change anyway

[regal yacht]

Anyone having issues keeping banner up this week with the bolter affix and think maybe kyrian better this week?

[toxic pewter]

No

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-14359850

[strong forum]

bolstering has nothing to do with banner uptime

[jagged pier]

well it might do if u pull far to much then have to kite

but thats like pulling 20 mobs

[left temple]

dont call me out like that

[strong forum]

well in that case necro is even better cuz kyrian just makes you squishier

[jagged pier]

also true

[regal yacht]

Is does abit due to dropping combat frequently to not bolstering the next pak

[strong forum]

thats like 0.1sec

[jagged pier]

that shouldnt be an issue at all

[strong forum]

just dont leave before the pack is dead

[regal yacht]

Same time I last in bed

[urban portal]

One time empowering tc is good

Outburst tc and go next pack

While your dps finished it off

[cobalt seal]

What was the overall % uptime of banner in previous weeks @regal yacht

[toxic pewter]

I usually run 20-40% uptime in my keys. That +6 I was finally able to do I was at 32%

That was over course of roughly two hours

[ionic fern]

That's awfully low.

[toxic pewter]

Well I was invited to do a +8 a week from this Thursday with the same group… so they seemed to like me pretty well

[dawn canyon]

always
posting
bait

[ionic fern]

That doesn't mean you played your class well.

[toxic pewter]

I played well. So well, in fact, they invited me to the +8.

[ionic fern]

You THINK you played well.

[toxic pewter]

I played well for me

[cobalt seal]

He is a troll

[toxic pewter]

That is true

I am not a troll

[ionic fern]

Exactly.

[toxic pewter]

Yes exactly

I am here to get better obviously though

I realize “objectively” my numbers don’t look amazing. On paper this game is a whole other ballgame vs reality

Like “on paper” people say 100% banner uptime is possible. In reality, most getting 20-40% like me

[urban portal]

20%

i wonder if i can hit 40% clicking my abilities

[toxic pewter]

I worked really hard just to get 32%. We didn’t time the key either. Missed it by 1 hour 34 minutes

[cobalt seal]

Including mods

[toxic pewter]

Do not ridicule my play please

I am working to get better

Like I said- I will be doing the +8 a week from Thursday. Hoping I will do better 🤞

[autumn pendant]

Is this some quality content?

[urban portal]

literally waht else do you want me to do whaen im eating lunch

scroll tiktok?

[toxic pewter]

Yeah damn… you’re right. Guess I will have to work my way back up again

I didn’t realize keys disappear

Ok

Will see where we stand I guess

Like I said I was invited by a group, they seem to be a guild

[fresh kernel]

So actual question, not bait, new to prot warrior and working on it. Is there a best way to extend banner? Like what should i be doing when its up etc. May be a dumb question, but it is what it is

[toxic pewter]

Not dumb question at all. I also would like to know the answer.

[fresh kernel]

Im sure you would

[toxic pewter]

Sensing a tone there.. I will just move on though

[fresh kernel]

Lmao

[dawn canyon]

the answer is last stand's conduit

[hazy edge]

spam revenge, use IP to dump rage if you would overcap, spam SS for rage.

[dawn canyon]

that increases rage gen massively

[toxic pewter]

The best answer I have seen is “press your buttons”

[hazy edge]

Use LS as a dps cd for the rage gen

[fresh kernel]

So it legit is just spam your fuckin buttons, got it

[hazy edge]

Don't waste outburst procs

[toxic pewter]

Yeah basically

[dawn canyon]

pwar is like 80 cpm if done well

[toxic pewter]

80 at least

[dawn canyon]

so press a lot of buttons

[toxic pewter]

120 is when things get really interesting

[fresh kernel]

Alright. I've been seeing that thrown around, wasn't sure how serious it was lmao

thanks lmfao

[toxic pewter]

It’s dead serious

[serene steppe]

Are people pulling the entire POST room in Streets during this week?

Dont you need to interrupt the guys opening the cages?

[toxic pewter]

I pull one pack at a time

[dawn canyon]

ive seen people do the entire right into left in 2

[toxic pewter]

In pug I find one pack at a time is best

[dawn canyon]

(this is a reference to me missing cap totems)

[cobalt seal]

@ionic fern

[serene steppe]

I thought you had to stop the cages or the perma stun chickens run loose

[cobalt seal]

So you know you were being trolled

[toxic pewter]

That was on my main prot cro

[cobalt seal]

Apb drop the fucking act

[toxic pewter]

I have a dwarf alt now

[cobalt seal]

Everyone here knows you are a troll

[dawn canyon]

if ur gna troll try be funny

[toxic pewter]

I honestly didn’t even know I could pull more than one pack at a time until roughly 3 months ago

And I’ve been playing since closed beta

Might as well pull the entire room

Except boss

[serene steppe]

I just didnt wanna pull too much since its bolstering

[toxic pewter]

Either do whole room or go one pack at a time. No half measures

[lofty widget]

i'd pull the 2 packs near the entrance out of the room

[toxic pewter]

Can invis to them and then pull and run out

[lofty widget]

so it doesnt matter if chickens go off or not

then chain last pack with boss or something

[serene steppe]

Do chickens not follow outside?

[toxic pewter]

They do

[serene steppe]

or are they not in combat when released

[lofty widget]

they have to run a lot further

so doesnt happen nearly as often

[serene steppe]

ah okay

[toxic pewter]

Are you playing with a friend group or pug

If pug just go one pack at a time in my opinion

[serene steppe]

Ye I pug all my groups but people pull the 2nd pack for me

Im a massive pussy so not used to pulling big groups

[toxic pewter]

I pull one pack at a time and if someone pulls that’s not me I exit the instance at that time and place.

[serene steppe]

If pulling both groups is the standard then I will adapt but hard to figure out what the standard is when I never see other tanks and their pulls

[lofty widget]

nah dont go by "the standard"

just keep pushing yourself

when 1 pack becomes too easy, try adding another etc

[serene steppe]

I find that that works for friend groups that play together. In pugs its like a new experience every time

I dont know how good someone is so I wanna play safe but also do standard pulls

[lofty widget]

i mean youre the tank so you decide what gets pulled

and if someone ninjas (on purpose), let them die

[serene steppe]

What about the big guy thats before the last boss? Is he pulled alone or can you pull stuff onto him

[toxic pewter]

Yes route is very important you always want to be thinking at least one pull ahead

[serene steppe]

ye

[toxic pewter]

Alone for sure in my opinion

That mini boss hectic as hell

[serene steppe]

I tried pulling the big guy and one guy thats on the way to POST and we wiped

[toxic pewter]

Or just skip entirely

[lofty widget]

it becomes pretty toxic for ranged if you pull stuff on him

since theyll charge to them and interrupt

[toxic pewter]

You can skip that mini boss if you really want even

[lofty widget]

so solo always imo

[serene steppe]

He does some charge and people get knocked into more stuff

[lofty widget]

yeh

[serene steppe]

How can you skip him?

[lofty widget]

it's kinda sketchy so i dont recommend skipping in pugs

[serene steppe]

yeee dont think I would wanna try that in a pug

[toxic pewter]

You just mind soothe it

[serene steppe]

Thought there would be some fool proof way

It just feels bad only pulling one thing in m+

[toxic pewter]

Yeah just tank that mini boss against the jutting out wall things

[serene steppe]

Feels like we are going slow

[lofty widget]

just for good measure, you spam click the tp console while jumping over this wall

[toxic pewter]

I like mini bosses

[dawn canyon]

narz / streets / duel wing

[toxic pewter]

Season 4 getting all dungeons getting a mini boss

The new dreadlord mini boss

It’s optional

[dawn canyon]

duel wing big shit

[lofty widget]

i might be alone in this but i kinda like that m+ isnt just all mindless aoe anymore

[dawn canyon]

i do like that

[serene steppe]

Do people pull mini bosses with other trash in duel wing?

[dawn canyon]

id prefer to but kinda cant

[lofty widget]

^i do that after arbalast is dead

cause he fucks

otherwise you can do double miniboss for time save depending which 2 you get

[dawn canyon]

shield one zzz

[lofty widget]

yeh

[zealous willow]

Do u guys think they will buff warr next season ?

[lofty widget]

just with wo i think

[lofty widget]

dont really need a buff tbh

so doubtful

[zealous willow]

arent warrs behind monk dh and dk ?

[waxen orbit]

I'm of the belief that we actually need a slight 5% nerf on our Execute dam but that's literally just me

[dawn canyon]

pog

[serene steppe]

The only thing I would want for warrior is heroic throw silence

[waxen orbit]

Yeah but we're still good. For all the content that most people are pushing, up to +29, we're solid tanks. It's not like S2 where we were basically crawling on hands and knees to survive in certain fort dungeons above +25

[serene steppe]

Its sickening to just watch a guy range cast on you

[cobalt seal]

in what?

and just because you aren't first

doesn't mean you need buffs lol

[zealous willow]

I was curious

[lofty widget]

thats exactly what it means 🙂

[waxen orbit]

That's fine man

Fair question to ask

[dawn canyon]

buff dps warrior

[zealous willow]

Actualy prot warr is only tank i never played in shadowlands , so not real exp

[cobalt seal]

all tanks are fine lol

except vdh and bear ST

[waxen orbit]

It should be noted that BDK and BrM are significantly easier than prot warr, and the best BDK/BrM will push higher than the best prot, but once again -- top of the line issue

[zealous willow]

Have u seen bdk dragonblight tallents ? Same build , but with vampiric blood uptime and vampiric blood collect the healing and explode for dps again bdk meta ?

[cobalt seal]

(isn't that a question for bdk discord)

[waxen orbit]

Yeah I don't think anyone here objects to the fact that BDK should be nerfed

[dawn canyon]

they lose the 40% str

[toxic pewter]

We are not getting a buff per se, but like other classes we will be able to acquire 2-3 legendary level skills all at the same time. So play style will be changing. The power level of all classes is being raised

[cobalt seal]

but considering apb is here without being banned

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[waxen orbit]

apb has been here longer than you and contributed advice and input before; why are you bagging on him? For one shitpost?

[zealous willow]

So its time to make tank warr now

[toxic pewter]

Sir- I have been banned, I have crossed over the other side and I have witnessed darkness first hand. I vowed that day to make. Amends and I am working hard on that goal.

[cobalt seal]

ONE shitpost?

ONE??????????????????

[toxic pewter]

I do not shit post

[lofty widget]

one shitpost and a million baits probably

[cobalt seal]

month

[toxic pewter]

I do post some opinions many do not agree with that is true

I may not agree with you cro- but I will give my life for your right to say it.

[waxen orbit]

I haven't been paying attention, but since when is bad advice/bad takes, as long as they aren't offensive or antagonistic, not allowed?

[cobalt seal]

since it makes lurkers

do what he says

[waxen orbit]

This is a place for discourse, right?

[toxic pewter]

I sometimes get things wrong. I am human

[waxen orbit]

Like I'm not trying to dickride here

I'm just saying

[toxic pewter]

Nah u good

[mighty valley]

extending the braindead gun control debate was maybe a step too far

[toxic pewter]

Yea that was off topic that’s true

But I have already made amends for that

[waxen orbit]

Oh I didn't look at that

Yeah keep politics out of here please

[lofty widget]

he words his opinions as facts, and that baits ppl i dont think it's longer than that tbh

[toxic pewter]

HAVE I NOT paid the price

I was BANNED DAMN YOU

How long must I live with this shame

HOW LONG I SAY

[dawn canyon]

sad u came back

[toxic pewter]

[lofty widget]

we're just discoursing 🙂

[zealous willow]

Yo suggest me a good race for horde warrior or i must go dwarf ? :X

[toxic pewter]

This one hurt most of all

[mighty valley]

the one you think looks cool

[toxic pewter]

Vulpera for sure

[waxen orbit]

Dwarf is pretty fucking nice for the racial, won't lie

Doesn't matter south of a 20 but if you're genuinely pushing, it's amazing to have Stoneform

[lofty widget]

south of like 27-28 tbh

[serene steppe]

Gnome escape artist is pretty op

[zealous willow]

Hightmauntain charge , versa and dmg red is bad ? Cus of no dmg aspect

[toxic pewter]

Ya I like gnome a lot and 1% haste is nice

[dawn canyon]

its good but vulp is better

[waxen orbit]

Nah, it's nice having dwarf racial for necrotic and for magic debuffs and all that as a tank from like, 24 and up

[toxic pewter]

Vulpera also has a 40yd pull which I find very underrated. Best of all you are a cute fox that does little flips and has a tail

[waxen orbit]

It's kind of asinine to say it's not huge

[lofty widget]

sure, still isnt gonna be the deciding factor if you time a key or not

just play correctly idk

[waxen orbit]

Nah, but can be a deciding factor on living a pull

Or helping out your healer

[toxic pewter]

[lofty widget]

just saying you made it sounds like stoneform was mandatory when you can prob time 30s a gnome or some shit

[waxen orbit]

Never said it was mandatory nor made it sound like that dw

It's amazing to have

[toxic pewter]

I actually respect this take on night elf

I would play night elf

[lofty widget]

nelf best race, especially with the new red eyes

[dawn canyon]

change yep

[toxic pewter]

Ya I mean I won’t lie I’m tempted to roll a night elf

Best of all you get

Shadowmeld

But dwarf racials too powerful. It’s become the case if you don’t roll dwarf you are just playing the game wrong

[sick sentinel]

stranger things 4 intro

[dawn canyon]

@sick sentineli might buy a change for DF idk

[sick sentinel]

i dunno if or when im continuing that, we'll have to see i guess

[cobalt seal]

racials don't matter

doesn't matter what you pick

you look at them

and pick whatever looks better

[toxic pewter]

Oh it matters

It matters more than most can even estimate

[cobalt seal]

@waxen orbit you were saying

[waxen orbit]

If someone can't tell that he's shitposting I don't know what to say man

[cobalt seal]

he shouldn't be

and people might take it serious

because they dont come here everyday

[toxic pewter]

I’m not shitposting. I believe it matters arguably more than anything when creating a toon

[sick sentinel]

i'll buy DF day one

[toxic pewter]

You guys act like picking the race you enjoy to view and interact with the most is unimportant or something

[cobalt seal]

where did we say that

[toxic pewter]

It’s perhaps the most important other than the class itself

[sick sentinel]

race and class 2 most important decisions in all of wow

[toxic pewter]

Here you said it dont matter

It matters a lot

[dawn canyon]

it does not

[toxic pewter]

For power too

Looks and power

The whole package

Yeah I’m dumb for believing the race you pick is important LOL

[dawn canyon]

if u dont like the looks

noggenfogger

done

[toxic pewter]

yikes

[cobalt seal]

context

[sick sentinel]

it's okay, im not going to run away or cower in fear because there is some warriors popping intimidating shout here rn lol

[toxic pewter]

Race is a binary, all in situation

Power and looks

[sick sentinel]

i popped my beserk long time ago, no fear

[toxic pewter]

They all come as a package deal

[cobalt seal]

<@&257983573498265600> can we end this endless trolling of apb?

[toxic pewter]

I’m not trolling dude

You either are the race or not

Yes or no. Binary situation

Right

So you cannot separate the power and looks

It’s one in the same

It is a factor for sure

Because that’s part of the race

Race is most important after class when making a hero

It’s a HUGE deal

[cobalt seal]

for the looks

not power

[lofty widget]

can you elaborate?

[cobalt seal]

dont make him elaborate

[toxic pewter]

Most generally pick the class they want to play first when rolling a new char

[sick sentinel]

you can't make a human druid for example

[toxic pewter]

Right

[sick sentinel]

so you HAVE to roll a race that is compatible, not a huge problem for warrior

[urban portal]

are you trying to say i cant play rogue tank

[cobalt seal]

https://tenor.com/view/moving-goalposts-ps5-sony-pony-gif-21602444

[sick sentinel]

you mean demon hunter?

[crystal mauve]

Always thought the most important was the player 🤔

[dawn canyon]

🙏

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2j24fXiwW3o Why yes i play League of Legends WOWO-WAWA

0:40 ish

[dawn canyon]

legends nevr die is kinda good

[waxen orbit]

What the actual fuck is happening in this chat

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmI_Ndrxy14 song is kinda cringe

[waxen orbit]

I take back everything I said

[sick sentinel]

WE ARE THE WARRIORS WHO BUILT THIS TOWN, FROM DUST

[dawn canyon]

https://youtu.be/77oSL_O04D4

this is my firemage song

its a fun spec

bro i wave this mage and he doesnt wave back

????

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nlJuwO0GDs unironically old blizzard cinnematic quality

[toxic pewter]

Would you guys play wow if you couldnt pick a race for your character

Serious question

[sick sentinel]

no

[dawn canyon]

depends on the default

[toxic pewter]

This is for something I am working on

[sick sentinel]

i will never play gnome or night elf

probably not fox

[oblique garnet]

Why was i pinged

[sick sentinel]

was anti human until i made -5 int warrior

[dawn canyon]

complaint abt apb

cro does it every now and then

[toxic pewter]

I didn’t even do nothin

[dawn canyon]

the one in fury was free nitro

[oblique garnet]

[dawn canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/rip-bozo-l-bozo-ratio-savage-skeleton-gif-24601317

[sick sentinel]

or that yogi guy

[toxic pewter]

Lol wtf

Just because you don’t agree with someone doesn’t mean you just ban them dude

So what

Sometimes I get things wrong

I’m not human

Oops

[cobalt seal]

sometimes - always

[toxic pewter]

I’m only human ..z*

[cobalt seal]

I'm only a troll

[toxic pewter]

Dude if I came in here and said the sky was blue I would get argued with

This is what I am dealing with

I’m trying to explain that to you

[autumn pendant]

quality content

[toxic pewter]

Ok I will say 1 true thing

I am not a troll.

Everything here is words dude

We are literally in a chat room

That’s true

[autumn pendant]

This is new arcana

I feel it

[dawn canyon]

i always lie

[toxic pewter]

I will not be spoken to in that tone of voice sir

[sick sentinel]

See your world through his eyes

[dawn canyon]

scoop out eyeballs and eat them angle

[sick sentinel]

a universe so vast

[toxic pewter]

U r mean

U win this 1 ga ga

[dawn canyon]

🧀

[toxic pewter]

I guess I will hit the old dusty trail

[toxic pewter]

[dawn canyon]

round 2 give it up for round 2

[sick sentinel]

i give him about 15 minutes

thats about how long i lasted in the great 268 shoulders mald out of this last tuesday

[dawn canyon]

[sick sentinel]

i mute all servers all whispers

[dawn canyon]

yknow the yellows are cool

[sick sentinel]

shoot the door key slot open first to open the door and walk in guns drawn loaded

[dawn canyon]

what

[sick sentinel]

thats my approach to joining new discords

[dawn canyon]

2 minutes

[sick sentinel]

upon entering i immeadiately without any hesitation or regrets mute the server and all whispers

if someone wants to talk to/about me they can do it together in whispers or directly to me in public setting

[dawn canyon]

one can say gamer words in dms innit

is this your motivation

[sick sentinel]

scammers and other degenerate types yes

selling n0000ddzzzzzzzz 420$ special

you won a free iphone!!!

your steam account got hacked! (i fell for this one and this is my batman origins story about muting servers)

[dawn canyon]

you won feet pics yogi dm to claim

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1YBv2mWll0

[dawn canyon]

does this come back

[sick sentinel]

how good is the dos 2h sword for arms/fury?

[lofty widget]

vers mastery idk about that

[urban portal]

its fine

[dawn canyon]

sim

[toxic pewter]

Anyone make a list yet all season 4 expected best items

[sick sentinel]

i have it at 246 so, if i ran keys i could valor the fuck out of it

[urban portal]

yeah

[dawn canyon]

make ur delete haste essay

[urban portal]

max ilvl gear from raid

those are bis

[toxic pewter]

Ok

What trinkets will be best you think

[urban portal]

OWS aegis

rdm

[sick sentinel]

i dunno if there is another 2h weapon i should really go after first tho like i was after dessia hardcore 2 weeks ago

[dawn canyon]

just use any

[toxic pewter]

Wish shield were available to buy with the token

[sick sentinel]

1 TOP is fucking free AF and 2 its a 2 hand decapitator axe, fuck yeah

[median tulip]

The most important thing is ilvl. Everything beyond that is just Sim stats

[urban portal]

I would just play and get weapons naturally

Grinding just makes you burn out

[toxic pewter]

Really hope 1h fury is good in df

[urban portal]

Depends on borrowed power

[open bluff]

i feel personally attacked by this... totally not because i grinded all week for a shield 👀

[toxic pewter]

U get it

[open bluff]

though to be fair, 229 was not exactly something i wanted to hold onto for long for a shield

[urban portal]

Yeah

That’s just tragic

[sick sentinel]

yogi 278 blade kit inc

cuz i only did 1 key callin it now

[cinder storm]

20 when yogi?

if you timed a 18 a 20 is like an 18 +2

[distant crystal]

do you need a shield or smth yogi?

[sick sentinel]

278 shield yes

[cinder storm]

no, he has yet to attain that which makes you a pwar

[sick sentinel]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/area-52/Tankian i don't have 278 bracers either, unless thats supposed to be gloves, i crafted gloves

basically anything but a weapon ring or legs

[toxic pewter]

Oh shit @sick sentinel

U on my server

[sick sentinel]

yeah, seems to be a popular one

[toxic pewter]

Both of us in the top 100 prot warriors on our server. We are powerful

[hazy edge]

https://raider.io/characters/us/area-52/Òr
Hello fellow A52 warriors

[dawn canyon]

good name

[real thunder]

Anyone know if the next season (aug ??) will come with increased ILvl in gear? Meaning we have to refarm our items in M+ and the rotating raids

[hazy edge]

Yes s4 come with an ilvl increase

[real thunder]

thx

[cobalt seal]

when do you transfer to the superior region*

[hazy edge]

I mean I have a level 60 paladin on EU

[sick sentinel]

3k io prot warrior and he's top 12

[hazy edge]

I was 5 for awhile but I haven’t done keys on my war in awhile

[sick sentinel]

apparently only some 541 pwars in the world have a score of 3k or more

[cinder pasture]

I'm 39th prot on my realm with 539 score

[toxic pewter]

Oh wow hello fellow top 15 area 52 prot warr

[sick sentinel]

run a +15 and you'll be top 10

[toxic pewter]

We are powerful

[wooden apex]

Are there any good guides for playing prot in m+

[lucid pasture]

Apb is bacj

Sheeesh @sick sentinel @dawn canyon

[dawn canyon]

sadly

ive noticed before u pointed it out

[sonic crag]

Kind of sad. I'm nothing special. 2700io and top 100 prot warrior on my server
https://raider.io/characters/us/area-52/Jorag

[sick sentinel]

https://raider.io/characters/us/area-52/Tankian 2600 score and 82nd place wait wtf lol, same server you have higher io but im higher ranked

[cinder nova]

@waxen orbit

Flex, king

[sonic crag]

I don't raid mythic. Not sure if that factors into it. Also, only 2 heroic boss kills I have are Jailer and Guardian

And I was lucky enough to get the Jailers 2H weapon from my vault the reset after I got AOTC

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iOzHoxsor4 pwar all of shadowlands

[waxen orbit]

Yessir

https://raider.io/characters/us/moon-guard/Thwump

#29 world and I been slacking half the patch

feelsbadman

Could've gone top 10 if I got my shit together

[odd tree]

Also slumming on Area 52

[chrome falcon]

damn i didn't know you slammed so hard thwump good shit

[waxen orbit]

Tyty

Knocked out three 27s last night

[chrome falcon]

i miss when i enjoyed keys enough to be a slammer

maybe next expansion

[waxen orbit]

Pretty sure I'm one of 11 prot warriors this season to time a 27 halls, and on the hardest affixes for it too

Love to see it

[hazy edge]

Andy did a 27 mists on his pwar today. Has 89% banner uptime and did 13.8k. Linked him your screenshots from earlier to show him what he could be doing

[waxen orbit]

Ay ay don't disrespect Andy

[hazy edge]

Lol I’m one of his mods

[waxen orbit]

I'm just a washed up prot main for 11 years kekw

[waxen orbit]

Nvm go off

[hazy edge]

But yeah he thought you were super impressive

He had fun too so hopefully he plays more pwar

[waxen orbit]

One day

[hazy edge]

He also died to intervene like 10 times the next key

[dawn canyon]

you love to see it

[sick sentinel]

focus target macro intervene the melee or range? curious your guys opinions on this, i can see good reasons to have both as focus

[dawn canyon]

focus for kicks wtf

just mouseover

[sick sentinel]

yeah i have the macro for it to be charge+intervene single key, but then i'm putting intervene (focus) on q and charge on e

[chrome falcon]

which is your focus getting involved for intervene

[dawn canyon]

idk i charge on 1 and intervene on shift E

on all 3 war specs

[sick sentinel]

normally a melee focus targeted, but it seems to work both ways, melee works cuz you don't move and then just can continue attack, on mage makes sense to get out of shit, or do a charge

[dawn canyon]

if u mouseover you have the agency

and you also get to focus kick

[ancient ore]

What would be the best legendary to spam +15 keys or less. I will also be doing this for beginning of season 4. Seismic or Reprisal?

[cinder storm]

Seismic for memes

[chrome falcon]

seismic is big dam

but harder to play

[cinder storm]

Reprisal to git gud

[chrome falcon]

reprisal probably makes smoother runs

[ancient ore]

Would you say reprisal will be better for beginning of season 4 due to the survivability benefit?

[chrome falcon]

no idea if we'll need it

like 15s might be a joke

[cinder storm]

Reprisal is one of not the best leggos in SL

[chrome falcon]

but if they're even remotely hard

wear reprisal

[cinder storm]

For some people, a 15 is like a 30

So idk

Reprisal would be better as people either don't use their utilities or just don't do enough dps

[ancient ore]

Wouldn't seismic be better if there is lack of damage? But I guess if teammates miss kicks DPs won't matter.

[cinder storm]

Right, you can only do so much damage and use your CDs, if things are not being kicked or there's not enough dps and you blow your CDs in a bad order you might end up dying

[dawn canyon]

no reason to go below 15

[dawn canyon]

if ur the one killing shit that group is doomed

yes do huge dam

but if ur top thats not gna be timed 90% of the time

[cinder storm]

This is my second week on my bdk, just started gearing it last week and already doing 22s at 271. If you have a good understanding of the dungeons and packs by packs and timing, you can use whatever to blow your 15s with any tank

[median tulip]

Lots of 15 keys now I'm 3rd on the DPS; there's almost always a carry in 15s now

[ancient ore]

Thanks, just trying to figure out the best way to grind through mythics for the start of season 4. I haven't decided what ilvl I will stop this seasons since I am starting to gear my warrior.

[dawn canyon]

stop at like 275

[ancient ore]

O wow, this helps answer my question .

[cinder storm]

If something scares you in a pack, just stun and leap out of you feel like dying

Poorly worded, I mean, if you think you will die

[ancient ore]

Is necro the still the best for mythic+? (4pc)

[dawn canyon]

if i feel like dying i just turn around

[dawn canyon]

yes

[cinder storm]

Necro is the best for raid too

[ancient ore]

Did you spam low dungeons for valor or rush to +15 then spam for valor?

[dawn canyon]

i prefer 15s

[cinder storm]

Yup, once you feel content with the amount of valor you have, move to 12s then to 14s for gear drop

15s are usually carries but 14s and 16s usually have people looking to push

[celest stirrup]

what is the sweet spot for farming gear? 4s?

[dawn canyon]

15+ since it drops at 262

[chrome falcon]

14

for farming gear

[celest stirrup]

well people dont just let pugs in @252i

[chrome falcon]

no point going 15

[ancient ore]

Did you hold lower ilvl tier pieces then upgrade with valor?

[cinder storm]

Never

[dawn canyon]

i usually leach a 15 from friends to start an alt

for like a week or 2

[ancient ore]

See forgot about that 14 can drop 262

I*

[cinder storm]

Ilvl then shield then stats

[ancient ore]

So I shouldn't bother using my valor on my 252 tier pieces?

[cinder storm]

I wouldn't

[dawn canyon]

you have like 200 catalyst charges

so i wouldnt

[ancient ore]

I am only 3/4 tier set.

[cinder storm]

Unless you have an ungodly amount of free time and can farm like 20k valor per week

[dawn canyon]

ilvl on tier doesnt really matter for a while

[hazy edge]

ilvl on tier and leggos doesn't really matter, the effect they bring is stronger

[cinder storm]

If you can get it and it's only one piece go for it

[ancient ore]

Thanks, I will just hold out for higher I'll gear then spend valor. I am only 254ish I'll as prot(crappy greens)

[dawn canyon]

if ur group is good (guildies) thats enough for a 15

[cinder storm]

Since it's an alt and you probably don't raid, your chest should be a leggo

[ancient ore]

What is your opinion on the chest piece from Return of Karazhan? The one that buffs the trinket.

[cinder storm]

I don't raid so I'll probably have my leggo crafted on chest either way

[sick sentinel]

you'd have to craft unity in not set slots then

[muted nexus]

worth giving up some haste budget for a socket ring?

[cinder storm]

No

[ancient ore]

Thanks, this helped a lot.

[muted nexus]

assume i will put a haste ench on #1 ofc

[cinder storm]

Still a no

[sick sentinel]

I'm not right person to ask but you'd lose 4 set with this chest and unity helm say

[muted nexus]

🙏

[ancient ore]

That is my concern, because I do plan to main fury, but I want to gear up as prot. I will just hold on this thought once there is some live testing.

[cinder storm]

Chest unity, leggos boots, rest tier

[onyx vessel]

Chest unity

Mines in belt

[cinder nova]

You want helm unity

It's a guaranteed socket

And has the same stat distribution as chest.

It's chest + socket.

Plus I think there's a 283 chest in deep M There isn't. Still better tho

[toxic pewter]

Holy shit at the amount of prot warrs from area 52

We got a lot

Get ready for alpha starting tomorrow

[cinder nova]

Oh word

forgot about alpha

I'm anxious about warr talents

[open bluff]

"it's too late to change anything"

[cinder nova]

I want to believe they'll do right by us and actually listen for once but history has taught me something else

[sweet summit]

prot good in df

100%

[cinder nova]

how do you know?

[lucid pasture]

Copa

Ergadubayoo

[cinder nova]

Yeah give erga the copium rank

[cinder storm]

I come from the future, pwar was deleted from wow

'unfixable' - said Bobby

[cinder nova]

I know that's a lie because it'd imply Kotic even gives a shit

[onyx vessel]

Cant be worse then start of shadowlands pwarr

[mighty valley]

it's gonna be unbearable doomerposting in here no matter what happens huh

[onyx vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/wheniwasolder-gif-23243653

[shut summit]

always was

[onyx vessel]

They come out more at the end of xpacs

[sweet summit]

[sweet summit]

not the absolute best tank but we're definitely sleeper strong
extremely fast paced spec with lots of mobility and damage, only lacking a bit in the utility department

[onyx vessel]

Forget to press shield block die to 3 mobs

[jagged pier]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/986417059707621416.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[onyx vessel]

[wintry nymph]

Still new to tanking, but tanked my first 17 (++2), i really don't understand how people don't die to those 27's

some mobs hit so fucking hard 😂

its insane

[jagged pier]

sounds like u didnt have sb up if u think mobs in a 17 hit hard.

[wintry nymph]

probably

someone mightve logged it

imma check

mmh its in my logs

not sure how to properly inspect it like raid logs tho

ah, comes from leaderboard, doesn't have log

can't inspect

sadge

[split trout]

I just got SL on my warrior. Bit nervous to q for basic normal. I don't know SL dungeon well enough. I didn't like dungeons this expansion.

[strong forum]

Same

But normal dungeons shouldn't prove to be anything other than a nice walkthrough

[blazing condor]

yeah if there's any place to actually learn the dungeons it's in normal

[topaz field]

does anyone know how to get additional ticks on the first pull in sd into the lantern?

ive seen a tank do it yesterday but he kept his secret for himself

[lofty widget]

you have to engage the third pack (assuming you dont pull that) and then drop combat with them again

that will cause 2 extra ticks to join the first pull giving you 10 stacks

so you need a hunter/rogue to do it for you

[topaz field]

ok i thought so

thx

[topaz field]

nah cba playing the mistdancer worst count in the dungeon

[cobalt seal]

??

[sweet summit]

uhm

that's not related to what was said

[cobalt seal]

I don't even know the problem with mistdancer

if tank knows how to play it

[sweet summit]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[topaz field]

the problem is that it is very bad count croma

very inefficient count

with regard to its hp pool

i know how to dodge a frontal dont worry

but u are not omniscient

[dawn canyon]

the mobs are fine but its a shit pack to dps so i prefer skipping it

[topaz field]

no all i need is 10 stacks

then im out there

the pack in general is just super bad for all dps because on high keys u cannot soak traps as tank if u arent dh/dk or wanna pop too big defensives for it

plus a onshot frontal

probably the worst frontal in the game atm

[dawn canyon]

chains also blow

[sick sentinel]

laughs in paladin

[dawn canyon]

[sweet summit]

yeah but you don't need that pack in the pull

that's the big questionmark i have

[cobalt seal]

You know what prio dmg is

[topaz field]

i legit dont understand what u are trying to tell me

apart from u are so great u can dodge a frontal

[cobalt seal]

That the pack isnt as bad as you make it to be

Especially considering you should have like 6 stacks for it

[topaz field]

there are plenty of easier mobs which i prefer to play

[fallow narwhal]

at least sds frontal shows

[topaz field]

and those mobs even give better count

[cobalt seal]

Pretty much all the ring trash is about same lvl

[topaz field]

no only chamber sentinels have same count

all other mobs are 4 count iirc

and probably wardens

[cobalt seal]

Scribes are worst than mistdancer

[topaz field]

yes ofc

but u cannot dodge them

or rather skip

[cobalt seal]

Sure Skip scribes

Lets Skip everything

[topaz field]

i said cannot

seriously dont know what u want from me

if u want to piss me off u already did

[cobalt seal]

Popcorn?

[topaz field]

but i cba talking anymore to a wall

[cobalt seal]

Thats how you are supposed to tank mistdancer

And voila free count and extended buff

[sonic crag]

My dudes, I'm struggling with Banner uptime. I'm also admittedly really bad digging into logs. I'm going to post a log of a failed +20 PF I did last night, and would greatly appreciate some kind soul to tell me what to do better.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/3NL8A72VWbQmjpgB/#fight=last&type=summary&source=2

[cobalt seal]

first things first

you CPM

[jagged pier]

well your casts are really

[cobalt seal]

is 20 lower

than it should

[jagged pier]

like SS alone is 7-8 CPM lower than it should be

so your missing a tone of rage

your also wasting a lot of the rage u generate

[sonic crag]

As in overcapping?

[jagged pier]

yes

so none of that rage is going into anything

your also using outburst on TC far more than SS

which is a huge no no

your missing a tone rage due to that as well

[sonic crag]

Is there a reason to use SS on Outburst, even while tanking a pack, other than the rage generation that SS gives?

[jagged pier]

it does more damage

[sonic crag]

Sure, it deals like 45K+ on a crit to a single target. But wouldn't TC actually help with threat more? Especially if it's like the first 1-2 seconds into a pull? Or is the Revenge spam enough for that?

[jagged pier]

also due to the extra rage

thats more avatars

more AM cooldown

etc etc

u can use TC at the start of a pull

[pallid finch]

I know the numbers vary, but for a typical +15 run, what's you overall damage? I know for my runs, 15-18, I go about 8k on avg. Is that about typical for the rest of you?

[jagged pier]

but you arent only doing that

[jagged pier]

thats mega low

thats last season numbers

[pallid finch]

That's good to know. Is it at least like 10k?

[cobalt seal]

more

[jagged pier]

12k

to 15k

[hazy edge]

12-15k

[jagged pier]

dependant on dungeon

[crystal mauve]

Below 10 you have probably to check you rotation, 12/13 is good, and 15 and above is great 👍

[pallid finch]

Do you all play with Ravager talent, then?

[jagged pier]

outbursted TC does the same damage as a busted SS + revenge on 4 or 5 targets but it gens no rage compared to that SS

[toxic pewter]

Hell yeah

[drifting fable]

in m+ yes

[crystal mauve]

Yes

[jagged pier]

well u should in m+

[pallid finch]

So basically, max dps talents that sims tell us?

[strong forum]

Ravager is just outright better in m+ than ITF in every way

[jagged pier]

u can hit 15k with BV which is regarded the lower dps talent

[sonic crag]

thank you for the input. So I need to work on using SS more especially with procs, and generally avoiding using TC unless I dont have a SS or rage for Revenge?

[strong forum]

Si

[pallid finch]

Got it, thanks.

[jagged pier]

well u need to work on using everything more

being more effective in what you use

and paying attention to SB

u have 66% blocked hits

u should be at 80% minimum

[strong forum]

Hey that's as much as the current R1 pwar

[drifting fable]

[jagged pier]

i know

[distant crystal]

servers are down past maint, but no extendo 😦

[strong forum]

The 9 and 99 now reflect cpm

Not just parse

[jagged pier]

yer

and banner uptime

[toxic pewter]

Loading up dat alpha

[minor helm]

Games dead

[drifting fable]

9 cpm 😧

[strong forum]

Almost as much as classic players!

[minor helm]

I wanna play the 9 cpm spec

[sonic crag]

impressive really. Shows restraint to not do anything for that long

[strong forum]

If you have to hold the outburst for 2-3gcds

Just send it on TC instead

[jagged pier]

i mean not to be that guy but 59 CPM u must have empty gcds

[crystal iris]

they just gave up on it 😆

[minor helm]

[sonic crag]

fair. But at 59 I still felt like I was hitting things as they were coming up.

[strong forum]

That's why we have logs

Cuz 59 is less cpm than I had in 9.0

[jagged pier]

and me

record yourself u can

u will see missing gcds

[toxic pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/goose-press-more-buttons-what-gif-14985965

[jagged pier]

and procs

[crystal iris]

I actually enjoy prot warr raid tanking

[distant crystal]

oh noooow they push it to 9PST

[jagged pier]

and all that jaz

[crystal iris]

its fun with necro

[strong forum]

Gotta really pay attention to what you're doing and you'll notice that you actually have empty gcds

[crystal iris]

is 100% banner uptime possible?

[jagged pier]

yes

should be at least 90%

in raid

85% in dungeons

[crystal iris]

kk I was pretty close on Skolex but with the running out and slow stacking in pugs

[sonic crag]

for my own reference, what was my banner uptime on that log I posted?

[crystal iris]

it would expire with like 10-15s left on the CD

[pallid finch]

extended for another hour!

[strong forum]

First pull of that log

You had a solid 8 seconds between SS, when the CD is only 6,not even counting resets

You had a solid 2 seconds of pressing nothing after that 2nd revenge

[jagged pier]

overall 37% but look in details easier to tell as we only care about it in combat

[strong forum]

When you did infact have rage by pressing IP after that TC

[jagged pier]

and logs is including tavel time

[chrome falcon]

skolex should be a real easy boss for 100%

[verbal hill]

do we TC in single target?

[chrome falcon]

remember that you can run out to trigger reprisal even while you're tanking

[strong forum]

100%

[chrome falcon]

because the range on the tank cleave is like 20 yards

[strong forum]

You need to use TC in St to keep up Banner for 100%

As close to on CD as possible in ST

[chrome falcon]

banner aside you need to TC on ST just to fill every global anyway

[strong forum]

Unless you can easily charge weave

Like very easily

[sonic crag]

@jagged pier and @strong forum thank you. You're very helpful.

[jagged pier]

👍

[crystal iris]

for sure, I had super high uptime in a slow stacking pug and it was my first time tanking the fight so its for sure possible and probably one of the easier ones

[sonic crag]

I'm trying to not be a lazy POS. Guess I just need to click more buttons to get in the habit

[low kindle]

how do you look at how many TC or SS you use for the outburst proc in log?

[strong forum]

Press the outburst buff icon

Above dmg done

It'll show casts done during outburst buff

And then you just check casts of SS vs TC

[urban portal]

another way would be to run it through wowanalyzer

[jagged pier]

u can put it into wow analizer or damage done -> press events in the top right -> press the outburst icon -> choose thunderclap

[urban portal]

wowanalyzer now shows you cast used on SS vs TC

[strong forum]

For example here, Jorag only used 57 outbursts on SS

And 72 on TC

[low kindle]

got it! ty ty!

[strong forum]

When it should be closer to 130 on SS and like 30-40 on TC

Just to rub some salt into the wound

[crystal iris]

What do you guys want to see for prot warr in 10.0?

[jagged pier]

for the class not to have a crutch and be fun to play

[urban portal]

a way to play without borrowed power

[sonic crag]

All good. I came here for feedback and I appreciate it

[strong forum]

Achievable 100% block time through playing well without the need of reprisal

And phatty dam

[crystal iris]

100% block time would be fkn nice

[toxic pewter]

Yes

I want that. I personally would like to see reprisal go. I like reprisal but ready for a change

[urban portal]

unpopular opinion but i dont think any class should have 100% uptime on mitigation

[strong forum]

Emphasis on playing well, I don't want pwar to be as easy as in bfa

[urban portal]

it takes the "active" out of active mitigation

[low kindle]

give both AM and HR

[crystal iris]

I dont mind the class being a bit easier honestly

[urban portal]

i find prot pal extremely snooze cuz their shield block is 100% uptime

and you still feel like paper

[strong forum]

Cuz looking back compared to now, boy bfa was fucking atrociously easy

[hazy edge]

just slightly less harder than it is now would be perf

imo

[strong forum]

Yah

Just take reprisal away, give the same benefits through rotation

And it's peak

[hazy edge]

yup

[crystal iris]

thats why ppal is fun though, youre blasting damage but you have to be good with your defensives to make up for your shield not being as good as warriors

[hazy edge]

or if we could have both HR and AM right now would be amazing

[crystal iris]

HR bseline?

[low kindle]

prot pal feels kinda rng, if you don't block, you are just getting smacked

[strong forum]

HR works, but make it like 0.5sec per SS

[low kindle]

maybe I'm comparing with warrior, so it felt worse lmao

[strong forum]

HR is a little too braindead

[crystal iris]

Its braindead with reprisal

[sonic crag]

I think it comes to class identity. Warrior is the charging in combat tank, so I think it makes sense to keep Reprisal effects going into 10.

[strong forum]

Idk I've never played HR

Never

[crystal iris]

maybe without it wouldnt be so overkill but it could be tuned sure

Its fkn nice on fort weeks

[low kindle]

HR + reprisal is giga ez mode on

[urban portal]

ii dont think palying pinball is class identity

i want to charge once and staying in there for a long time

and not move

except for mechs

[crystal iris]

yup

[strong forum]

Class identity is getting stronger by continously fighting

To me

[urban portal]

but i dont wanna move to melees

that shit is so cringe

[crystal iris]

the feedback of AM is so nice

[strong forum]

Aka, being a saiyan

[hazy edge]

Or let Sword and Board grant a charge of SB and reset SS or something

[strong forum]

Feed that rage machine

[chrome falcon]

playing with reprisal for 3+ years is going to be exhausting

[urban portal]

it already is

having to continuously find opportunities to charge

[crystal iris]

I dont play much prot honestly

[strong forum]

The biggest issue is

[crystal iris]

I gave it a good shot and Im ok on tyr weeks

[strong forum]

Pwar takes 4x more effort to keep up your defensives just to survive, compared to other tanks

That's my main gripe

[crystal iris]

but reprisal sort of turned me off the spec. Im lazy and use the intervenes and initial charge only lol

[strong forum]

If all tanks had to go through the same hoops, I wouldn't mind

But literally every tank but vdh and pwar don't have to do special shit

[urban portal]

^

[sonic crag]

Alternative's being The Wall? Reprisal is a lot of upkeep, but it's at least more engaging than watching Shield Wall CD skip down.

[urban portal]

thats exactly what i mean

[strong forum]

And vdh is only cuz of rng

[crystal iris]

Pally is fun because you can focus on route and damage instead of constantly worrying about dying and grouping and shit

[jagged pier]

we have AM for that

[chrome falcon]

no jorag the alternative is that blizzard makes something actually fun

that isn't annoying as all hell

[strong forum]

The wall isn't anywhere near engaging

[urban portal]

something as simple as a 3 minute cd that gives both charges of block back

[strong forum]

It's just +5 rage on SS and -5sec CD in SW, which we have AM for

[urban portal]

reduced by AM

would be so nice

[strong forum]

SW is already only a like 50sec CD

Wall wouldn't help there

Cuz the shorter a CD, the less impactful the CDR is

[low kindle]

old AM and bolster would be nice if we were to lose reprisal

but I think they will keep reprisal in the talent tree

[crystal iris]

I didnt play BFA or any other expac, anything from those old expansions that would be cool to see come back?

[jagged pier]

glad stance

[strong forum]

5sec SR

[jagged pier]

banners

[strong forum]

Larger rage pool

[jagged pier]

venegnace

[dawn canyon]

150 rage

please

[crystal iris]

ranged kick?

[jagged pier]

SR actually refelcting everything

[strong forum]

Rfdt

[jagged pier]

gag order

[chrome falcon]

i would be down for bolster if LS was reduced by AM again

[strong forum]

Yeah

[jagged pier]

execute talents

bladestorm

[chrome falcon]

i think that's a decent "fill block downtime by playing well" mechanic

[strong forum]

Sudden death + massacre

[crystal iris]

I just want to be self sufficient ahha

[jagged pier]

we used to have them

we are

[crystal iris]

not so reliant on team to run a damn +15

[dawn canyon]

do yall want to keep unnerving focus

[jagged pier]

need somthing to make LS good

[strong forum]

We are largely self sufficient, it's just that dungeon design fucking us by throwing dispel meta at us and infinite cast mobs

[chrome falcon]

i want last stand removed or totally reworked

dogshit ability

carried every expansion by borrowed power

[strong forum]

The group effort required is just too high

[hazy edge]

An Indomitable buff would be amazing

[low kindle]

Make execute gives SB

[strong forum]

2% indom

[crystal iris]

and have overflowing rage all the time spamming IP so spend it

[strong forum]

Thx

[hazy edge]

make it like 1.5 or 2%

[jagged pier]

if indom was 2%

we would be broken

[crystal iris]

ya

[strong forum]

100%

[dawn canyon]

im not opposed to that

[jagged pier]

i am

[crystal iris]

I mean, 2% but take away 4set maybe it works no?

less IPs less rage spent

[hazy edge]

Yeah Indom depends on our rage loop pretty heavily

if we aren't spending as much rage in 10.0 as we are now it'll be a bit worse

[jagged pier]

yer but in S1 it would have been busted

[crystal iris]

currently 2% broken but take away the borrowed power and isdk

[strong forum]

Then it's just alright

[crystal iris]

would be nice to have a real oh shit button

not a lay on hands but like last stand could heal you somehow

[chrome falcon]

no

no oh shit buttons

that's not what warrior is about

[strong forum]

Oh shit buttons arent good

[chrome falcon]

play better and make it so you don't need an oh shit button

you have healthstones and health pots

that's all you should need

[hazy edge]

Let Impending Victory be baseline for prot

[crystal iris]

like Last stand increases indom to 10% or something

[hazy edge]

There's your oh shit button

[low kindle]

when prot war talent tree blizzard

[chrome falcon]

baseline IV would be pretty insane

[urban portal]

i wonder if IV at its current state would be too OP baseline

[sweet summit]

it would