I'm also sitting on 22-23 atm
#protection
ionic fern
ionic fern
Jeh,shouldn't have banner issues.
urban portal
Ilvl is more important
ionic fern
Just get as much haste as you can without sacrificing ilvl.
pallid quiver
Haste is not at all required to upkeep banner; that's all play ability
stuck rock
I can play betterfor sure, was just concerned it could be a factor (copium)
toxic pewter
Howdy gang wat every1 doin
vernal vale
As a warrior with 38% haste that has banner uptime as bad as 40% and as mediocre as 70% play is the most important part of uptime.
stuck rock
As a warrior with 38% haste that has banner uptime as bad as 40% and as mediocre...
What overalls are you getting in keys with necro if you dont mind me asking
vernal vale
What overalls are you getting in keys with necro if you dont mind me asking
For banner uptime or my dps?
stuck rock
For banner uptime or my dps?
dps you said your banner uptime is around 40 percent right?
vernal vale
On average I'm about 65% banner uptime in a key. Just some dungeons like spires have those damn angels and it drops.
Some nights I do better and others I do worse.
stuck rock
Oh then we are on the same boat
vernal vale
My dps hovers around 11k overall for a dungeon on details or 10k in logs
stuck rock
What ilvl do you have?
vernal vale
275 ilvl
vernal vale
I'm always working on one thing to get better at.
Right now it's charge weaving better. Which will help my reprisal usage and take everything up.
vernal vale
Thanks that was pretty helpful
What is your ilvl?
stuck rock
Im 264 picked up my warrior some days ago again and I never played necro
So trying to figure stuff out
Tbh prot warrior is by far the hardest tank to play in the game for me
Im only doing around like 9k dps with 55-65 banner uptime
stuck rock
Definetely
stuck rock
I expected something like keeping up drw with banner and its way harder
vernal vale
It's very rare that I feel a tank trinket would have saved me. Especially as I would need to remember to hit it.
stuck rock
I still run scale for the panic moments, when shit hits the fan I sometimes mess up the rotation or rage starve myself and warrior is incredible punished for that kind of stuff compared to other tanks
But thats just me being new
vernal vale
Share logs here and people will help.
I have tons of room to improve but I'm solid enough to parse well in raid and not hinder my survival and run keys at +20
stuck rock
I need to learn to upload logs and stuff
Im surviving 18s just fine for now, besides some Casters destroying me when bolstered this week
Necro is a lot tankier than kyrian
From what ive been seeing
vernal vale
I have loggerhead turn on logs anytime I'm in a mythic dungeon. And then just upload when I'm done for the evening or day.
Casters having kicks missed can be rough even when not bolstered.
stuck rock
I have the warcraft logs app do i need something else?
vernal vale
Necro is the most tanks covenant for us
dapper spear
How do I maximize uptime on shield block
vernal vale
I have the warcraft logs app do i need something else?
That's all you need if you remember to start combat logs in the dungeon.
Forget the command since I use an add on to automatically do it for me.
vernal vale
How do I maximize uptime on shield block
Blocked hits are more important than uptime.
stuck rock
That's all you need if you remember to start combat logs in the dungeon.
Ok thanks for everything
vernal vale
Ok thanks for everything
Your welcome.
vernal vale
How do I maximize uptime on shield block
If you have 80% uptime but are only blocking 30% of the hits coming in then you are using it poorly.
vernal vale
Not completely useless on casters as it does increase shield slam damage.
In dungeons I basically always have it rolling if I can. I get about 80% of melee hits incoming blocked.
Use intervene for reprisal often.
vernal vale
Positioning is important too. If they are in front of you in that 180 degree are you can block.
If not then you cannot block.
dapper spear
Yeah
vernal vale
If you have a log of a dungeon you can see your blocks by going to damage taken and mousing over the melee hits.
vernal vale
I use wall on the pulls/boss mechanics I know will be dangerous.
Other than that anger management gives it to us so often I use it almost on cool down unless I know a dangerous pull is coming.
There's an example of my blocked hits in a run
vernal vale
Yeah the first big pull in gambit I'll wall shortly into the pull.
vernal vale
If your using chain stuns then it's okay to hold until after.
dapper spear
Gotcha
vernal vale
Anger management brings it back so quickly though I normally use it early on while I still have last stand ravager and everything cycling my rage.
dapper spear
Speaking of last stand do you literally only use that when you are in trouble
vernal vale
No it's a dps cooldown and banner extender with conduit
If you have banner going press it on cooldown.
vernal vale
The extra health is an irrelevant number.
It's not big enough.
Conduit gives rage increase.
vernal vale
That's the important part.
mighty valley
Bigger max health is just not that relevant these days, which is why stamina trinkets are unexciting
mighty valley
With Last Stand up you have to mash IP a lot
vernal vale
Revenge spamming and hitting ignore pain a crap load to attempt to prevent overcapping.
dapper spear
Wowhead said you can literally ignore ip unless ur in need of the mitigation when your overcapping
Should just be a revenge dump
Is that right?
mighty valley
You HAVE to mash IP in some situations or else you'll overcap
You can reduce the brain process to "press IP so I don't overcap rage"
But with tier set and 2leg, you absolutely will press IP a lot
You just don't think of it as a timed defensive or anything
vernal vale
The absorb number is pointless. It's to dump rage. Tooltip basically says 3.5% healing from indomitable and 3.5seconds closer to avatar again.
It's just a spender off the GCD
mighty valley
I mean, given how much we get to press IP it does genuinely add up to quite a lot, it's just enormously rage inefficient compared to, like, shield block
vernal vale
True
dapper spear
6 secs of 100% block is wonderful for 30 rage afterall
I suppose ip spam will atleast give some mit so healer can dps
vernal vale
Not really. Again it's extremely small absorb and each one goes away incredibly fast even if you are spamming.
Healer can dps by properly using the other things in your kit and avoiding avoidable damage.
Interrupt groups of casts with intimidating shout and you take less damage for example.
Heales should have an understanding on how and when they can get away with dealing damage.
It's not thier primary goal after all.
dapper spear
Oh 1 more question
What is the addon called that shouts out when you have interrupted and what mob as well as when you use certain defensives such as spell reflect
vernal vale
I don't use that one. You can always macro saying something into using spell reflect.
onyx vessel
sand pebble
^^ this
sand pebble
Yep then when its on cd they let it cast and say they thought you were going to reflect it
digital hull
Hey ! Last time asked you some question about haste stat. Then you reply me, let's go haste haste haste around 40% 😄
Some war at hight keys, they are at 30% (for tattmann, this advice), other at only 35% then they go for vers ...
I'm lost :x
ionic fern
I'm at 22-23. 🤷
ionic fern
To make it simple..
Haste is our best SECONDARY stat.
There is no set amount of Haste you actually need.
Deciding on what to use is as simple as:
-Highest ilvl
-When comparing two items with the same ilvl, prefer the one with higher haste
-The other stats are honestly w/e
wintry nymph
i got a question about vers, do i need a certain amount to do certain keys? or will that only play a role in like 25+ keys?
ionic fern
i got a question about vers, do i need a certain amount to do certain keys? or w...
No.
ionic fern
I got...2
jagged pier
but i lack vers too
u cant lack somthing u dont need
ionic fern
I will be honest with you now okay..
I don't care about my stats - as long as i have ~20%+ haste and highest ilvl items equipped i couldn't care less what my second highest secondary stat is.
stuck rock
Does high mastery give diminishing returns with banner or is it linear?
wintry nymph
u cant lack somthing u dont need
true, thats why i was wondering how hard i needed it
ionic fern
Haste helps you smoothen your rotation/damage intake, that's why it's our best stat..but your own play and encounter/class knowledge are way bigger contributions to your survival.
wintry nymph
I will be honest with you now okay..
I don't care about my stats - as long as i ...
clear answer, thanks :D
only thing i need to fix my character is a better weap than the 226 i currently have
rest im set
ionic fern
Vers/mastery/crit all have their ups and downs but non of them will "make or break" anything.
wintry nymph
Thanks, i can work with that
ionic fern
People love to overcomplicate everything 😦
digital hull
Thx for this answer !
strong forum
Vers is a nice to have, not a must.
grave crane
But if my stats don’t matter. Then that means that I’m the reason I’m doing bad? 🙀
blazing condor
sick sentinel
grave crane
Nah it’s probably my stats
wintry nymph
probably too high ilvl too
mortal brook
Vers/mastery/crit all have their ups and downs but non of them will "make or bre...
what about leech
ionic fern
what about leech
Need a minimum of 1% leech to be able to complete a +15 with additional +1% leech per dungeon level increase.
mortal brook
and they told me dungeons werent linear smh
ionic fern
😂
jagged pier
what about leech
mortal brook
<:catman:769917539835969587>
jagged pier
drifting juniper
dawn canyon
vers is a bait stat just equip ilvl
there is no amount of vers that makes up for bad play 
jagged pier
almost like u should scroll up and read
cobalt seal
Not sure if trolling since previous convo
Or serious
And have to say
It doesnt matter
cobalt seal
there is no amount of vers that makes up for bad play <:okayge:91764681251973943...
200%
dawn canyon
i miss corruptions 
dawn canyon
is funny content
hollow sun
I will be honest with you now okay..
I don't care about my stats - as long as i ...
You should add something like this to the icy veins guide
ionic fern
You should add something like this to the icy veins guide
If only people would bother reading. 🙂
hollow sun
I meant the swag one lol
hollow sun
Tbh i only read about the rotation and gameplay 
wintry nymph
@dawn canyon how was the kebab last night ?
drifting glade
Tbh i only read about the rotation and gameplay <:yep:703420923625078804>
reading?
dawn canyon
<@653287531038900236> how was the kebab last night ?
was very good
wintry nymph
dawn canyon
was nice n rainy outside too so it cooled down 
oblique garnet
People read pages like
wintry nymph
https://tenor.com/view/the-office-me-think-why-waste-time-trick-few-word-gif-509...
this is perfect
static hinge
question about jailer fight, we have a warrior tank , when should he be using spell relfect the most? every pillar in phase 2?
does it only mitigate 20% or reflect it the dam?
shut summit
mitigate
jagged pier
on every pillar
and on mitigates
so u need other things with it
should be able to SW at least 2 pillars
i demo, SR, SW pillar1
external SR pillar 2
SW sr pillar 3
flesh and SR pillar 4
for instance can do what you want with them but that works for me
pallid finch
is versatility that much better than mastery ?
jagged pier
fallow osprey
jagged pier
is versatility that much better than mastery ?
pallid finch
So, probably, right?
sick sentinel
before the great 278 helmet upset of this tuesday, i was lvl i dunno 17-20% versa 33-35% haste
drifting fable
@pallid finch
vernal vale
question about jailer fight, we have a warrior tank , when should he be using sp...
Fleshcraft is usable then too. Your just standing there waiting for pillar break then anyways.
urban portal
So, probably, right?
No
It’s not much better
It’s barely better
You want Ilvl over anything
winter ridge
qq...i have almost every tank at ilvl 260...and I want to get the achievement for all +20 dungeons completed....is prot capable of this or should I try with a different tank?
urban portal
any tank is viable
robust fiber
qq...i have almost every tank at ilvl 260...and I want to get the achievement fo...
Prot war is more than enough to do all dungeons in 20's, every tank can do it fairly easily it really is player dependent i guess
urban portal
20 is easy
winter ridge
k...guess my dps just needs to interrupt more...dunno i keep getting 1shot this week on 15/16s with prot
dawn canyon
pwar is more work than gdruid for all 20s
dawn canyon
k...guess my dps just needs to interrupt more...dunno i keep getting 1shot this ...
90% of the time there is something you couldve done so id recommend logging a run or two and having people here take a look where ur messing up
strong forum
k...guess my dps just needs to interrupt more...dunno i keep getting 1shot this ...
That sounds very wrong
Like I know a dude who did 22s at 251
So you getting 1shot in a 15/16 means extreme missplay with bolstering and probably not having block up
Cuz I been tanking 4-6x bolstered mobs in 23-24s this week
And I'm fine
winter ridge
yea...probably didnt have block up...reprisal is tough
toxic pewter
Wat
topaz field
man i died yesterday against 14 bolster stacks in post master room
meager wigeon
season 4
toxic pewter
Why are you guys dying
toxic pewter
You realize the tanking role means you aren’t supposed to die
past flume
i think that mail ele's ability is reflecable
jagged pier
no this is correct
toxic pewter
Guys I got news
Dragonflight alpha starts on Tuesday
You have heard it here first
dawn canyon
copa
toxic pewter
Will include all the new trees and also the new spec names and dungeons and everything
dawn canyon
source: trust me bro
toxic pewter
No raid yet though
past flume
no this is correct
So I should default necro for raiding now ?
I like playing necro tbh lol
chrome falcon
you should necro for everything
past flume
ehhh ok
chrome falcon
necro is vastly better than the other covenants for any relevant content
and has been ever since 2 legendaries
strong forum
is this sim wrong ?
No it's not
past flume
ill make sure dont inv melee healer in keys too LOL
past flume
yeah
topaz field
the wind has to be correct so u get the buff from banner
chrome falcon
^
hits the closest 3 people
but like
it doesn't matter if it hits your healer
the party buff doesn't matter
lucid pasture
Will include all the new trees and also the new spec names and dungeons and ever...
"new spec names"
past flume
do you not want to give to dps always
lucid pasture
prot is now named "gamer time"
toxic pewter
Yes most of the specs that share a name will be renamed
I don’t know the names yet but it will be happening
dawn canyon
🙏
toxic pewter
That is false information. That individual is trolling you
chrome falcon
do you not want to give to dps always
it literally doesn't matter
like sure it's ideal
but who cares
toxic pewter
Prot war going to be called Vanguard
past flume
grizzle duird
hazy edge
do you not want to give to dps always
You banner for yourself, not the dps.
lucid pasture
nah prot is going to be named arm because they have a shield on the other hand
toxic pewter
That only one I know at the moment
topaz field
u can buff your hunter and ww with banner who literally get zero profit from it xD
toxic pewter
You got a prob with me bro?
lucid pasture
retribution warrior
toxic pewter
Go play a monk
dawn canyon
they will remove haste inshallah 🙏
lucid pasture
alhamdullilah
toxic pewter
But not going anywhere yet
dawn canyon
wheres ur essay man
toxic pewter
Laugh all you want
lucid pasture
ok
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i am laughing now
all i can
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ionic fern
Stop being dicks. 🙂
toxic pewter
Whoa whoa wall of text much?
ionic fern
Or i'll mute you all.
toxic pewter
You are very immature
lucid pasture
No
dawn canyon
if there wasnt haste in the game this wouldnt happen 😔
drifting fable
stop feeding apb man jesus
minor helm
they will remove haste inshallah 🙏
He will be boiled 🙏
toxic pewter
Feeding me? wtf?
lucid pasture
stop feeding apb man jesus
i do dabble in cooking tho
dawn canyon
He will be boiled 🙏
he will be toast soon 🙏
lucid pasture
He will be boiled 🙏
mashallah
lucid pasture
🙏
lucid pasture
imagine u have just created a warrior and try to get some info here
true real
fury inshallah will be renamed to chef warrior
toxic pewter
topaz field
u must be thinking prot war is the wrong spec xD
toxic pewter
What ur guys favorite prot warrior ability
dawn canyon
imagine u have just created a warrior and try to get some info here
admittedly this is more a #fury esque chat rn
lucid pasture
What ur guys favorite prot warrior ability
/cast cook dinner
cobalt seal
why do people keep giving apb attention on this trolling?
dawn canyon
to make fun of him
toxic pewter
I am not trolling
urban portal
because its better than doing work
toxic pewter
I am not a troll
lucid pasture
ya
toxic pewter
?? No
lucid pasture
and kul tiran
toxic pewter
You guys are weird
lucid pasture
also
minor helm
Weirdge
lucid pasture
Can I rename my name?
youll have to ask one of the blue names
and then make your name "flag of the un"
because my brother you are worldwide
☝️
lucid pasture
ok
dawn canyon
removing pork chops in minecraft <@653287531038900236>
NOOOOOOOOOOOO
dawn canyon
a cringe one tho
toxic pewter
I will out warrior u any day of week
lucid pasture
dawn canyon
dawn canyon
this server needs omegalul emote
cobalt seal
apb have you consider seeing a doctor to evaluate you?
lucid pasture
furry?
toxic pewter
I am a doctor
dawn canyon
get with the times man
dawn canyon
oh btw gg i was looking ele shamn logs ye
lucid pasture
its like a back and forth because ion isnt sure
dawn canyon
top mists is a 28 and its a 4 dps 1 tank comp
lucid pasture
oh btw gg i was looking ele shamn logs ye
#poooooooooooooop
dawn canyon
dawn canyon
zmok?
dawn canyon
ROLLED AND SMOKED
cobalt seal
zmok is known for ppala no healer dungeons
strong forum
zmok did that pretty much in every patch of every xpac
lucid pasture
@strong forum how would you like new prot warrior named
strong forum
him as ppal with 4dps
lucid pasture
wicked warrior
i heard they are renaming fury to chef warrior
dawn canyon
hands*
lucid pasture
oh shit so first they rename the spec
dawn canyon
making space for the scalies
cobalt seal
expansion tomorrow?
lucid pasture
toxic pewter
you guys gonna make your drak thyr preservation or devestation?
sort of looking forward to trying the healing
dawn canyon
none
median tulip
I'll level it as DPS
toxic pewter
jesus phil
median tulip
But I'm probably not going to play it at high level, so I'm only going to play it so I have a rough idea what their mechanics look & function like
urban portal
i heard arms warrior is pretty good next patch
toxic pewter
Ya fair enough
lucid pasture
gonna be quite good i heard
civic elm
Whats the thoughts on prot trinkets atm/any good references?
median tulip
Whats the thoughts on prot trinkets atm/any good references?
So'leah's and Phial for me. Works fine.
toxic pewter
Whats the thoughts on prot trinkets atm/any good references?
READ PINS
civic elm
❤️
dawn canyon
the pins only mention a bad one apb
drifting fable
shard, scale, soleahs are pretty good for M+, phial, sack, elegy are alright for raid
lucid pasture
reee
toxic pewter
the pins only mention a bad one apb
Yes, but we all know all trinket discussions inevitably lead there.
drifting fable
ows for m+ as well
lucid pasture
Yes, but we all know all trinket discussions inevitably lead there.
how does that make any sense?
toxic pewter
Give it a moment
dawn canyon
shard, scale, soleahs are pretty good for M+, phial, sack, elegy are alright for...
@civic elm
median tulip
The basic rule for trinkets is to take a Stat (Haste) trinket - So'leah, Elegy, AFE - and probably something for damage - usually Phial. You can swap Phial for Scale if you want something with actual defensive value, but it's not actually necessary
winter ridge
Okay...so I just crushed the same dungeon at 15 where I was dying all the time at 16. I logged it and uploaded to warcraft logs. Not sure I logged correctly though https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/k6twDa2rAFb1qc7T
stuck badge
Doesn’t look like it to me. Did you use WCL uploaded?
winter ridge
Yea
stuck badge
Did you /combatlog before dungeon start?
winter ridge
i did it after the dungeon started
dawn canyon
It's a bit unfortunate it doesnt provide a neat overall look but it's probably workable
winter ridge
im about to run a +17 and will upload that one if its easier for yall
jagged pier
looks like u didnt click advanced combat logging
winter ridge
its checked
fallow osprey
when you intervene a target, and you take their ranged/melee hits for the next 6 seconds, how does the game calculate whether you're positioned correctly to block the hits? am I good as long as i'm facing the mob?
narrow fog
wild hemlock
dammnnnnn the friday i dont say we get new talents. we get new talents
no warrior though 😦
dawn canyon
dammnnnnn the friday i dont say we get new talents. we get new talents
Dont say it tmr aswell
Not even a cool class
wild hemlock
its not friday
i only say on fridays cause druid/dk came out on a friday and i was hoping they would be weekly drops
winter ridge
okay just failed this run....
strong forum
but it is friday
winter ridge
combat log probably wont work then
sweet summit
dawn canyon
Bay-Zed gif
winter ridge
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Qt8CKjYRzDykcG9a lemme know if i should be rerolling...maybe prot is just to hard for me
so...basically i kept dying because the dps summons Uhr and it gave a 25% stacking damage debuff
chrome falcon
you didn't press shield wall the whole dungeon
you pressed LS 3 times instead of 8, you should LS on cooldown for banner uptime
your cpm is terrible
press your buttons
you're wearing a pvp trinket...
urban portal
you definitely couldve timed if you just pressed shield wall during the lich boss
winter ridge
should i shield wall on CD?
urban portal
you press it when you are dying
odd tree
Think of LS as an offensive cd to extend banner
winter ridge
how is that even possible...all it does is increase health
dawn canyon
More health = no die
dawn canyon
Also 50% more rage
chrome falcon
read your tooltips man...
winter ridge
ah unnerving focus
urban portal
its the fact that you arent pressing shield wall
sick sentinel
qq...i have almost every tank at ilvl 260...and I want to get the achievement fo...
you'll have an objectively easier time doing it as paladin or DK because better aoe, easier to play and brez/immunity
but, you can absolutely do it if you want, ain't for me but
chrome falcon
nah his biggest problem is that his shield slam/tc/revenge cpm are terrible
you can time a 17 without pressing shield wall
but
not pressing shield wall is also just insane
jakey has been typing for like 3 minutes this is going to be violent if he ever finishes
jagged pier
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Qt8CKjYRzDykcG9a lemme know if i should be ...
- get rid of that crit mastery ring pointless
- u have 75% blocked hits a tad low for reprisal but its not the worst I've seen
- your casts are really low, lets not just focus on SW like everyone else, every thing is low, SS, TC, Revenge, Charge, intervene the list goes on.
4)because your casts were so low, u generated very little rage or much less than u should and out of that rage you wasted around 10% of it
sick sentinel
i only posted in the last 1 minute so it aint at me
winter ridge
lol...i feel like im spamming buttons so hard mattacate...and you are saying my cpm is low...thats scary
jagged pier
u definatly arent
during combat your should be around 80
in a dungeon that will drop to around 65-75 depending on travel time etc
your at 47
sick sentinel
personally im gunna wait for 10.0 when i won't need 7 fucking addons to remove griffons/eagles from action bars
dawn canyon
lol...i feel like im spamming buttons so hard mattacate...and you are saying my ...
This spec presses a lot of Buttons
fallow narwhal
what
winter ridge
you'll have an objectively easier time doing it as paladin or DK because better ...
my DK flops to floor hard many times....maybe pally is for me
sick sentinel
ontop of all the other issues i have with wow, needing a fuck load of adons and knowledge how to sim, how to log, how to evaluate logs and do better on them, something about that... the scope is too much and i say scrwe it and give up
fallow narwhal
bears pretty easy
chrome falcon
my DK flops to floor hard many times....maybe pally is for me
as politely as possible
if you suck at dk
and you suck at warrior
you're gonna suck at pally
urban portal
chrome falcon
pick a class and learn to play it
like
you're literally not pressing the class' best CD
that's nothing to do with the class
that's all you
you just need to learn a class
sick sentinel
when i have to sim and i have to log to find out what the fuck im doing, and the excuse that i cant do it on my home pc is "its literally too powerful for your pc, pay us for faster qeue times"
odd tree
It feels weird, but during LS you just spam IP. Really easy to get 25-30s of banner uptime during this
winter ridge
guess i save it for the oh shit moments, but im dead before. can press it
sick sentinel
thats where its just too god damn much
chrome falcon
yes
so the point is
you need to know
"oh i'm about to take a big hit"
and then you shield wall before it
if you shield wall when you're 20% hp
jagged pier
guess i save it for the oh shit moments, but im dead before. can press it
there shouldnt never be an oh shit moment on prot
sick sentinel
because, far as i know you can only log one website, and sim seems to be more or less the same
chrome falcon
your effective hp is only going up to 30% hp
jagged pier
we are a premtive class not reactive
u need to stop the damage before it happens
no react after it happens it over at that point
sick sentinel
i'll be postive though
chrome falcon
for example
winter ridge
k going to run this 16 now and see if i can press shield wall and ls more often 😉
dawn canyon
k going to run this 16 now and see if i can press shield wall and ls more often ...
let's go, good luck!
jagged pier
k going to run this 16 now and see if i can press shield wall and ls more often ...
that, is not the feedback u need to focus on
sick sentinel
here's another way to think about keeping up shield block and keeping it pointed at enemies, it increases your SS damage, which is your primary button for this spec, meaning you get more aggro, stuff dies faster
because you had SB up
chrome falcon
yeah
like i said
your biggest problem
is you're just not pressing your fuckin buttons
sick sentinel
you want to hit shield slam ABOVE ANYTHING ELSE, pretty much
odd tree
It also hits like a truck
dawn canyon
More angry more good
sick sentinel
its your number one damage dealer, its your rage bar, its on a very short CD
chrome falcon
yogi has correctly identified what shield slam does
sick sentinel
so, if you always mash slam, your other attacks will reset it, and then you can use slam again, and deal more damage
cobalt seal
that, is not the feedback u need to focus on
This is why wow devs don't listen to us
when people don't listen to positive feedback how to improve
why should devs do it?
sick sentinel
why are devs asking the players
toxic pewter
wow has become a game by mob
sick sentinel
i think it is on both fronts the developers problem to both develop the root issue, and the tools of how to remove the issue or get over around it
toxic pewter
blizzard has kowtowed to the mob fully at this point- you dont like the changes, cry hard enough and blizzard will remove the changes fully
it is pathetic and sad
sick sentinel
if something doesn't play right, its because game developers didn't develop it correctly
toxic pewter
nah, it is their game, their art work, you simply perceive it in a negative way
that is on you
vernal vale
It tracked the plaguefall and gambit I did just fine.
dawn canyon
Shut up abp
toxic pewter
Lol why
Just telling it like it is
Wow has become a game developed by the masses; I.E. mob rule
it is sad and pathetic
I pray for Blizzard to find their balls
sick sentinel
i was advocating for "do nothing" mobs to do something, like right before they made the top final boss green boys do something's
still they do not so very much
sick sentinel
there are so many damn bosses and mobs in wow that are literal do nothings, just sit there and steal m+ key timer
toxic pewter
Priest lightwell coming back boys!!!
sick sentinel
when you doing NW and its right after you skip across the long bridge and theres a group of skeletons
toxic pewter
HELL YEAH LIGHTWELL
cinder pasture
So pull them with another pack, problem solved
fallow narwhal
ok, but you just pull them into the other packs anyways
drifting fable
first time ive heard someone flame the non-elites lol
sick sentinel
i just feel like they should do... SOMETHING
cinder pasture
They do, they basic attack
sick sentinel
even the most boring basic special attack copy pasta'd
chrome falcon
yogi i feel like you already don't know what half the mobs in keys do
from when you talk about your runs in here
why do you want stuff to do more
hollow sun
yogi i feel like you already don't know what half the mobs in keys do
this tbh
compared to bfa i feel like the mobs do a lot more
sick sentinel
i had to learn sadly, i stood in fire on other classes too long ago
chrome falcon
but
every time you talk about the stuff a mob does
you're wrong
so i think a lot of the mobs you think "do nothing"
actually do stuff
and you just don't uh
don't realise it
sick sentinel
well, i open MDT and it says they have no attack and maybe if im adventerous i look on wow head and probably see same thing and go ahead
odd tree
Wow has become a game developed by the masses; I.E. mob rule
Well they are making a product, usually the goal is to not piss off the consumer.
vernal vale
well, i open MDT and it says they have no attack and maybe if im adventerous i ...
Stand there and don't do anything it hurts if you don't grab threat they slap a clothy dead.
mighty valley
customers can tell you when they're mad. they're usually very bad at pitching solutions
vernal vale
Not everything is done by a mechanic but by simply making you play
odd tree
If your talking about the bdk and lock nerfs that got reverted, those were very poorly timed (mid mdi and 2 weeks before finals).
Though they would have only affected the top 0.1% of players
urban portal
The blood dk nerf would ruin the spec on jailer
The nerf that replaced it was much more reasonable
sick sentinel
customers can tell you when they're mad. they're usually very bad at pitching so...
there's a super apt cartoon i saw about this guy going apeshit about how they are taking over the world or whatever and then they hand him back his fixed iphone cuz hes in a repair store, and i feel like thats what it is alot of the times
odd tree
That's true actually, the bdk nerf would have been bad all around
urban portal
Blood dk can get 2 globalled if they didn’t have Drw up
sick sentinel
something unexpected and bad happened, so they freak the hell out and then a day or week later or even 10 minutes later, they are fine
winter ridge
Blood dk can get 2 globalled if they didn’t have Drw up
happens to me all the time
urban portal
You ran mythic jailer?
Because you should not be 2 globalled in anything below a 28
Was funny to see naowh globalled on hakkar
sick sentinel
trying to hit hakkar bubble with SThrow can be .... eugggghhh, bubbles in general really, tons of mobs you CAN do it on for effect
toxic pewter
Well they are making a product, usually the goal is to not piss off the consumer...
Wow is a work of art, artists do not care about “consumers”
oblique garnet
Why bother your 2 attacks in same cast will do more anyways and unless you are perfect timing it to instabreak the shield
winter ridge
sigh....i just cant keep up...this spec is to fast...another failed key...everyone bailed before 3rd boss
drifting fable
id hit a dummy and practice your rotation if you are serious about improving
winter ridge
i didnt die once....everyon got blasted off platform
toxic pewter
Too much speed, be happy you aren’t a speed freak like many of us here
urban portal
thats not your fault then
drifting fable
well somethings you obv cant control
winter ridge
then dps started bitching at each other and quit
drifting fable
shit dps are a dime a dozen
urban portal
Wow is a work of art, artists do not care about “consumers”
wow is a product, and product needs customers
wow hasnt been art for a long time
sick sentinel
then dps started bitching at each other and quit
NEVER engage with dps infighting eachother
toxic pewter
No that’s where you are wrong - wow is a piece of art
You just have become jaded and lost sight
That is ok- you will find yourself again someday
sick sentinel
one of them will take it as you taking the other persons side, and then the "loser" will get mad or give up
urban portal
wow is less of an art form than my onlyfans subs
toxic pewter
That’s where you are wrong again
sick sentinel
let the infighting dps work it out between themselves, trust me on this
winter ridge
i didnt even say anything...healer asked to get more interrupts and dps left
sick sentinel
i don't know fuck all, but i do know that
toxic pewter
Video games are art forms
vernal vale
then dps started bitching at each other and quit
Dps leave for 0 reason at all in tons of keys.
drifting fable
i didnt even say anything...healer asked to get more interrupts and dps left
seems pretty puggy
toxic pewter
It’s sad when “consumers” think they have a say in what the artist does
vernal vale
Dps brain go duuuuhhhhh
toxic pewter
Even me with my ideas for wow- I realize they are simply flaws within myself at the end of the day. I’m simple just not perceiving the art correctly.
drifting fable
idk. dont let the pugs discourage ya. if you enjoy prot, keep trying. yes, its very high APM but once you get the muscle memory down it kinda all folds together
toxic pewter
It’s true- artists can never do wrong
urban portal
that only 26 people can appreciate it
toxic pewter
They are artists- any “wrongdoing” you see. You must look within
sick sentinel
i think part of my frustratino is i want it to really FEEL like its me who fucked up, and its extremely evident, extends to all players
not because of some bullshit lag, but because you did not do the thing
toxic pewter
Hmmm interesting. You have this deep seeded urge to blame yourself. How long have you felt this way
dawn canyon
Goofy ahh therapist 😵💫
drifting fable
theyve said it before yogi, youd fare alot better if you focus on your gameplay and your gameplay only
your dps are just walking numbers, fuck em
ocean yoke
you only invite dps to show them how big your banner is
dawn canyon
No
toxic pewter
U siding with the dpsers Phil?
dawn canyon
I am a main dps
toxic pewter
YIKES
dawn canyon
Go figure
toxic pewter
This explains much
sick sentinel
i love to play wow, its just the instant loss of proression followed by immediate punishment like you wipe, the healer leaves, the key depletes from a 15 to a 14, so you have to go into the 14 and level it back up to 15 or more and then run that new key
oblique garnet
All good tanks are dps mains who got tired of bad tanks
winter ridge
i feel ya yogi...im now on a 15 pain...instead of a 17
sick sentinel
same thing in mario, if i had been playing mario for 4 hours and i didn't save and then i die, i don't have a continue or a save file, i'm instantly shutting the nintendo off for like a week and i don't wanna see it any more
drifting fable
have you thought about adding some pugs you work well with?
surely there are a few in there
toxic pewter
The key is to run your own keys only
toxic pewter
Find some players to five friends with and run the keys with them
Ok then you gotta find friends
That’s the next step
dawn canyon
Then game with friends
drifting fable
smartest thing youve ever said apb
toxic pewter
Some say I am the smartest among us
drifting fable
not quite
toxic pewter
Well, you’ll get there
dawn canyon
Some say I am the smartest among us
Among us hahah
sick sentinel
its like, failing a keystone, it goes down in level and then you probably got a bunch of ppl shit talking you in whispers feels like you went out for drive to get groceries and gas and then you get in a car wreck and your car is totall'd
toxic pewter
Among us hahah
We should all play. Prot warr among us. Who’s in. Let me know
fallow narwhal
i feel like
sick sentinel
its not the end of the world, but for the rest of the day or so, your gone mental
minor helm
It’s a key in a game
dawn canyon
Have fun in game
toxic pewter
Yogi these problems have already been solved. It’s called friends, make some friends and play with the friends
dawn canyon
toxic pewter
If they shit talk you they are not friends
dawn canyon
If you deplete ur 15 u go and pug a 15 from someone else
ionic fern
...
dawn canyon
It's a 15
toxic pewter
Some can’t make it in the pug world
dawn canyon
Just play okay and ur good
fallow narwhal
dont even really need ok
toxic pewter
Key level don’t matter
sick sentinel
this is just made ups right now anyways i don't even have it installed
fallow narwhal
just like
dawn canyon
It's proper play
ionic fern
If you fail 15s consistently that's a "you" issue.
dawn canyon
If Yogi played like late and still got fucked then maybe
minor helm
On ur mom mum innit
toxic pewter
Yogi needs a wolf pack to lead in game
minor helm
toxic pewter
That won’t abandon him
dawn canyon
You need a head doctor
toxic pewter
It’s cold out there in the pug life
mighty valley
i've barely pugged a key all expansion, had a great time
toxic pewter
Yeah see
No wonder you uninstalled the game yogi, you been out there pugging it
You need a core group
To lead
toxic pewter
Yeah but he can get hero
mighty valley
alexander wept for there were no more lands to conquer
sick sentinel
seriously honest to god if there is secret developers lurking here....
just watch all of his videos and he goes over precisely perfectly why things in games don't work and are bullshit and don't look good
fallow narwhal
sounds like a lot of effort
sick sentinel
yeah, like me getting on a training dummy,
drifting fable
are you anti dummy lol
sick sentinel
lot of effort for basically nothing, time keys better ig
vernal vale
you only invite dps to show them how big your banner is
Hahaha
lavish oracle
I dunno, training dummies help me a lot as fury
drifting fable
training dummies help everyone
lavish oracle
Can't imagine being anti-dummy
vernal vale
I spent hours on dummies to master gladiator spec dps. I've spent hours to help with my banner uptime now.
It does make a difference in muscle memory which will lead to better play.
Especially when your pushing more than a button a second.
Right now we get over 80 on raid boss logs when we are cooking along.
When I played gladiator spec I have logs with over 90cpm.
That requires practice.
lofty widget
think we have logs now with 90 cpm
lavish oracle
I haven't found pugs to be too atrocious this xpac, at least not any more than they've always been
grave crane
It’s definitely a lot of presses especially with IP being a dump
vernal vale
think we have logs now with 90 cpm <:yep:703420923625078804>
Squeak doesn't count but yeah I think there are a few that high.
lavish oracle
I do find myself saying "what the fuck are you doing?" aloud a lot when I'm in pugs, though
lucid pasture
I spent hours on dummies to master gladiator spec dps. I've spent hours to help ...
glad spec
man
arent ya glad you did that
😏
vernal vale
lucid pasture
fake
dawn canyon
Real
sick sentinel
do you guys remember the signet 1hshield arms guy
dawn canyon
do you guys remember the signet 1hshield arms guy
Average prot channel enjoyer
lavish oracle
Prot Warrior:
-exists```i don't have a link to his post
minor helm
lucid pasture
```Patch 0.0.0.1
Prot Warrior:
-exists```
who
vernal vale
true real damekage cool man
Might be my one claim to fame in this game
sick sentinel
i think this is it
lucid pasture
Might be my one claim to fame in this game
you can screenshot it and put it as your background
that you are a true real cool gamer
vernal vale
minor helm
Owned
lavish oracle
All my DPS gone
sick sentinel
if wow token stays inflated might just buy like token each month and bank it, have enough gold for anything on 10.0 launch
lucid pasture
if wow token stays inflated might just buy like token each month and bank it, ha...
when did i ask
sick sentinel
currently like 200k +
lavish oracle
Wonder if its because of the new xpac
lucid pasture
Wonder if its because of the new xpac
lavish oracle
Or maybe diablo immortal
sick sentinel
well it might be a good time to invest, if token doesn't further inflate
dawn canyon
🐒
lavish oracle
People whaling with WoW gold
sick sentinel
3kgold or so a day isn't too bad, but doing keys you ain't making even unless you ren't wiping
been days i've done many as like 5 15's recently
mighty valley
mighty valley
i'll drink in your honor if they bring it back in the talent system
vernal vale
There was nothing left to nerf by hellfire citidal. Too strong on launch so they gutted it. Made it be perceived as horrible because unless you played it very well at that 90CPM your numbers just looked bad.
cinder storm
lofty widget
just one of our cov powers most likely
vernal vale
I would expect spear to be the one that returns.
lofty widget
you could make a case for all 4 tbh
vernal vale
I would prefer banner but without legendary and set bonus banner feels bad.
minor helm
I see AA least of all making it
vernal vale
AA is really cool and actually good.
Just doesn't compete with banner.
Maybe arms or fury only get condemn
Almost makes more sense for a specific spec on that one.
strong forum
Warri will prolly get spear and or banner
winter ridge
has prot always been /will always be a spammy spec?
strong forum
It's usually one of the fastest specs in the game in terms of button presses
jagged pier
☝️
winter ridge
i think ill have to retire and move on to another tank then...i just dont think its possible to get my apm up without being done after 1 or 2 m+s
im physically drained after running 4
drifting fable
bear is waiting for you i guess
vernal vale
I wish I still had cataclysm logs. I remember it being super fast in dragon soul.
strong forum
My fastest apm I've had in a key were 86apm
hazy edge
My fastest apm I've had in a key were 86apm
overall or active?
strong forum
Active
hazy edge
either way that's insane
strong forum
Overall was like 81
drifting fable
nome owns
strong forum
vernal vale
Overall was like 81
How do you check active vs overall in logs for keys.
strong forum
i think ill have to retire and move on to another tank then...i just dont think ...
So yeah, if you're already worn out after 4 keys with 45-50cpm, it ain't looking good for your future as pwar
strong forum
How do you check active vs overall in logs for keys.
Hover over "active" column
winter ridge
@strong forum any thoughts for my future? Everyone is saying bear...but i like having weapons 🙂
strong forum
Whatever looks fun to you
dawn canyon
learn pwar if u want to pwar
winter ridge
warrior is fun...i just cant keep up
vernal vale
Hover over "active" column
Oh, sweet I haven't seen that I'm doing better than I thought.
strong forum
I'm 100% a supporter of playing what looks fun
vernal vale
<@192743144276623360> any thoughts for my future? Everyone is saying bear...but...
You'll play something you enjoy better than something you don't.
toxic pewter
wtf? Why would anyone switch off prot warrior?
strong forum
That being said, my left hand did hurt on pf24 first boss with vy + lust + red slime buff
101 cpm
drifting fable
strong forum
20k dps tho
ocean yoke
its hilarious how absurdly high you can get banner with that first boss slime
vernal vale
That being said, my left hand did hurt on pf24 first boss with vy + lust + red s...
101 cpm sounds so fun to me.
winter ridge
I guess the better question is...out of the tanks....which ones have a lower APM so that i can focus on getting better before just focusing on hitting buttons as @chrome falcon would say
strong forum
Lowest cpm is bear and bdk
hazy edge
bdk not so much right now tho
vernal vale
I'm excited now when I hit 80+ but I want to do better.
chrome falcon
hitting buttons is getting better
drifting fable
bear for sure
winter ridge
how is bdk possible...i feel like its super spammy right now
hazy edge
2nd highest with the current tier
strong forum
chrome falcon
but bear is probably lowest cpm
winter ridge
agreed @hazy edge
winter ridge
so ur saying...stick with my dh or go bear...
vernal vale
Lol
strong forum
For the lurkers, ignore vdh, their soul absorption counts as a cast, you can subtract like 70cpm from that
strong forum
Is venthyr
chrome falcon
from not tanking
hazy edge
pala is playing venth
strong forum
And yeah will lose casts cuz literally 0 threat
chrome falcon
no avengers procs is a bad time
vernal vale
Paladin 4 set requires active tanking right?
chrome falcon
playing pala at all requires active tanking
cobalt seal
And yeah will lose casts cuz literally 0 threat
and it's on carrying duty
on heals and stuff
strong forum
Dispells 
jagged pier
tier set kyrian pala kinda fun
vernal vale
Closest I came was in my old guild to outplay the other tank but not playing warrior makes me enjoy the game less.
jagged pier
cobalt seal
agreed <@188762113202716672>
Have you consider DPS?
winter ridge
I like the queue times of tank, and I like leading my own keys
strong forum
Lots of dps pretend to lead keys too
drifting fable
big same
strong forum
Nothing out of the ordinary
winter ridge
my keys fill 10x faster when i start queue as tank