#protection
minor helm
strong forum
Me when itchy
Reactions are banned cuz of racism
Emotes idk exactly why either
Cuz they're not properly supervised I reckon so you could technically post an emote the bot wouldn't pick up as dangerous cuz you can make pretty much everything an emote
drifting fable
yea a little harder to moderate for sure, its understandable
strong forum
urban portal
already got scale?
urban portal
ye
but i just think you can get generic 278 hands anywhere
unless thats bis stats
strong forum
unless thats bis stats
you use tier gloves anyway
so ill take my +6 on gloves over a trinket ill never use š
dawn canyon
Cheat death from sod
cinder storm
Ows is rezans bastard child
dawn canyon
Rezans gleaming eye 
urban portal
i think OWS is top half of passive trinkets in terms of fun
as a DPS you pull for your tank so ows doesnt drop
mighty valley
Or just use one of your vouchers to buy an OWS
Tanking sylv isn't bad, just annoying you have to wade through p1-2 to get any practice
bold nimbus
Hmm is it good idea to use like lower ilv on fingers(262 ) to get more haste or just use max ilv?
meager quail
A haste/vers crafting ring with avoidance, heal proc and a socket is much more compelling than a generic 262 ring though
wild hemlock
Or just use one of your vouchers to buy an OWS
omggggggggggggggggggggggg i forgot
OWS and aegis getting bought with tokens for sure
bold nimbus
well i have death god signet with socket and nw haste ring at 262 - or i can swap nw ring for sd finger with crit vers 278
let me sim i guess hmm
median tulip
OWS and aegis getting bought with tokens for sure
Don't forget Shard
mighty valley
shard is aegis no?
dawn canyon
Yes
wild hemlock
ugh i forgot about tokens ā¤ļø
im so happy now for s4
what a fun way to test the currency system with raids
bold nimbus
im the flash bois
onyx vessel
open bluff
warped mulch
What are people thinking between passive continue button and OWS vs OWS and aegis on prot warrior next season? I feel like we don't really need an on use with necrolord bubble
lofty widget
what is the passive continue button?
left temple
Codex?
warped mulch
cheat death trinket..alar thingy
left temple
oh
lofty widget
well you cant really rely on fleshcraft to live a scary pull so.. aegis+ows is a lot better
could probably run matrix+ows if you dont want an on use
warped mulch
well, I guess I mean for raid. I don't push m+ so I don't really care about a baller setup for that, just enough for 15s
lofty widget
for raid its even less needed
jagged pier
u dont use tank trinkets in raid
lofty widget
just run double dps
jagged pier
āļø
warped mulch
you guys going to run like OWS and dreadfire?
actually that's disgusting, I love it
jagged pier
i dunno see what there is and what does the most as a combo i guess
warped mulch
Man I want to live your life, not having to wear tank trinkets on mythic prog. My GM gets mad when tanks wear double DPS trinkets to parse on heroic farm night
jagged pier
i literally was running dps trinkets till jailer where i just have cheat death because 1 miss step u dead anyways
plus its last boss so do anything till its dead
strong forum
theres no point in running tank trinkets unless you actually need them
for specific parts of a fight
warped mulch
Yeah, if I don't wear my scale I get angry whispers about putting parsing aheadof the guild's prog even though I have to like find a place to make use of it on fights
strong forum
ive never worn a tank trinket for longer than like 1 pull in 2 expacs
lofty widget
well are you dying? if not then they should mind their own business
strong forum
^
jagged pier
im not even dying on jailer
but 5 seconds of healers doing somthing else when i have blast debuff
warped mulch
No, not to anything wearing scale will help with atleast lol
lofty widget
exactly
warped mulch
I don't want to get fired tho
strong forum
theyre dumb then
strong forum
if they interfere with your gameplay cuz they have no fucking idea what theyre talking about
warped mulch
controlling officers who don't actually tank be like that
minor helm
Who is man enough to fire the tank?
strong forum
very common in shit guilds btw
minor helm
warped mulch
trying to find a new guild but finding a guild to play prot warrior in isn't easy
strong forum
shit guilds love backseat gaming tanks
minor helm
Do they really? 
lofty widget
frankly just focus on getting better logs
strong forum
yes Maid
minor helm
strong forum
tanks are the most backseat gamed role in the game
minor helm
Wow players really donāt deserve tanks
strong forum
dps slip by unless they do awful dmg
jagged pier
tbf thatsdepends on the tank u get the one i had in my pug earlier
west walrus
Hardest part of the jailer, not taking aggro back by doing too much damage
jagged pier
id rather he not be in the game
lofty widget
i guess good tanks' reputation is ruined by very bad tanks
warped mulch
Isn't that what hunters are for Kuku?
lofty widget
and ppl just assume we're all shit
warped mulch
yeah true
distant crystal
oh i see it's time to break out my trusty analogy
tanking in raid is like holding an infant, it's not particularly hard but when you mess up everybody hates you
drifting fable
they cant hate me that much, i keep getting revived 
vernal vale
trying to find a new guild but finding a guild to play prot warrior in isn't eas...
Take it from someone who left a guild where I was told to play worse. It's better to go somewhere and dps then stay where you are micromanaged by officers.
When I was pulling off our other tank because they only raid logged and never worked on improving. I was told not to hit shield slam.
Was not a fun experience at all.
Now I play my absolute best and runa ticking sack and phial in raid because I don't need the tank trinkets to live. If I'm dying it means something else had gone wrong.
Something like not clearing the debuffs phase 3 of anduin and nuking 90% of the raid.
Which a tank trinker wouldn't save me from.
warped mulch
That is the exact reason I left my guild at the end of SoD. Have had a hell of a time finding a landing spot to tank since then.
Guy rerolled twice between November and the end of SoD and didnāt bother bringing his new characters to heroic night to get dom gear on them then told me I need to stop pressing buttons while he tanks so I donāt pull aggro even outside of execute phase
shut summit
sick sentinel
true about BM hunters before i quit i saw a whole lot of them shit talking survival and how they are sheep or something probably
some BM or MM hunter, but seeing more non survivals
8.3 MM/bm was fun, you could hit for 200k + aimed shots regularly
dawn canyon
its quite the story
warped mulch
Donāt you know that if your cotank canāt do damage in a mythic guild you are supposed to just auto attack, perhaps even turn around so they can hold aggro
vernal vale
dont hit shield slam excuse me?
The whole thing blew up the discord several times. Gave people good laughs when I shared logs.
drifting fable
i hope you did a fight without SS just to show them 
vernal vale
Nah, I just quit raiding and then went to a new guild. They lost progress for over a month.
What irritates me now is they got AOTC and I still don't.
dawn canyon
no one likes the jailer
vernal vale
But that's a whole other issue.
dawn canyon
What irritates me now is they got AOTC and I still don't.
you kill the boss and it pops "grand design/cutting edge/aotc/mythic:sepulcher of the first ones/heroic sep.." all at once
imagine how funny
vernal vale
No one wants a 276ilvl prot or fury warrior without already having AOTC in thier pugs either
dawn canyon
as tank you might sneak in
vernal vale
I've tried still haven't got in and when I have its like 1 pull and groups disband.
Dps fuck defile we won't kill everyone leaves
So frustrating
dawn canyon
average pug ig
vernal vale
Yeah
I joined a new raid team two weeks later 24 people is down to 9 as a bunch decided to go 10.0 waiting room.
unreal harbor
is there a decent macro for charge/intervene?
west walrus
The RL told me I'll have to switch to my BrM if I cannot do less damage
open bluff
jokeās on your RL, with proper Dave scumming you can do just as much damage as a prot warrior
sick sentinel
Guy rerolled twice between November and the end of SoD and didnāt bother bringin...
he's more wrong than right, does he don't dps/rotation during you tanking it?
balmy canyon
Just be the RL then you don't have to listen to people backseating you cause you're in charge of the circus.
sick sentinel
ya, if your 2 tanks and a healer making up the raid, can't be kicked out or replaced either, harder to convince people to play healer
vernal vale
Just be the RL then you don't have to listen to people backseating you cause you...
I don't raid lead as tank anymore. Too many bosses so large all you see is thier crotch preventing you from making calls.
warped mulch
Man, Iāve seen so many tanks try to be RL. Doesnāt really make sense to me, the tank part of the fight is so different usually, and your vision is so limited
pallid quiver
Holdover from ye olde days
Like, even before WoW days; I remember hearing stories about how the tanks or at least tank equivalents were the main leaders, both guild and encounter wise, in even like Everquest
i wasn't there for that old of days, only heard stories so can't confirm, but I can confirm, the mentality was at least there for a lot of Vanilla/BC
warped mulch
Itās such a completely different game from back then though. I bet if you transported a Naxx guild through time to today they wouldnāt the able to get anduin down on H
pallid quiver
bruh you think they'd get to Anduin?
dawn canyon
fwiw liquid max swapped off tank for raid-leading before ultimately swapping out
warped mulch
Probably not
dawn canyon
dies at xymox
warped mulch
75% of the raid dies to the first desausage circle
pallid quiver
Non-zero chance they'd be hard locked at Vigilant Guardian if what I remember from my days of being like 12 years old is accurate
dawn canyon
does seem like wrath KT
pallid quiver
like bro, the fuck is clicking on something
dawn canyon
in that you wait for AAAGES
chrome falcon
raid leading as tank is hard but not impossible
dawn canyon
just be ^this good
chrome falcon
me and sense manage (he might be a bit better at it than me)
just have an officer or someone you trust in the ranged team to call shit for ranged
and leave healer shit to healers
pallid quiver
Yeah; I wouldn't bother because of the social hangovers with it, but it's not impossible at all
Hell, in the most basic of fights (as long as you can bloody see) it's probably optimal since the tank controls movement
chrome falcon
on a fight that is hard to tank and you have to actually make calls (instead of just reminding people who you already told them/what the note says)
pallid quiver
It's not like there's no reason tanks were RL so often in the olde days; it worked
chrome falcon
then it's pretty brutal
especially as prot
definitely some fights where i wish i was just like
texting with one hand, chaos bolting with the other and just chilling while i raid lead
pallid quiver
listen you gotta sometimes refresh your immolate
don't want to miss the boss timer while keeping pandemic timers; ranged raid leads got it hard, too, smh
chrome falcon
yeah i'm sure that playing optimally as ranged is just as hard as playing optimally as tank
it's just less obvious when you uhhhh
horribly fuck it up
warped mulch
Tanking while raid leading be like wow I'm so good at this game and now we're all dead
woven gust
how is prot doing in mythic sepulcher?
shut summit
unpopular but more than capable of doing every fight
warped mulch
we're better than community perception thinks we are?
dawn canyon
how is prot doing in mythic sepulcher?
pallid quiver
we're better than community perception thinks we are?
By a long shot
Most community perception I run into is that Prot Wars can't even reliably time a +15 at max possible gear level available in game, let alone raid
pallid quiver
yeah i'm sure that playing optimally as ranged is just as hard as playing optima...
also damn my shitpost wasn't obvious enough, i was shitting on how easy destro is to play (my alt is actually a Warlock and I've had to devolve to Destro from my favored Aff, so I'll shit on myself any day of the week)
pallid quiver
communities don't think, unfortunately, only hivemind
it's not so bad when they at least hivemind accurate information
cobalt seal
dratnos said pwar is shit
so pwar is shit
dratnos said vdh needs 2 defensives to stay alive and needs vers
patent osprey
oblique garnet
Dratnos dies on monk
alpine shard
i only invite tanks that play dratnos route
urban portal
only dratnos tier 2 onlyfans route
cinder nova
@chrome falcon We downed her and I was top damage on the kill for orb.
I'm absolutely livid.
cinder nova
Since Nya
chrome falcon
because you could probably just flame all your dps forever for that
screenshot that log
make sure your RL knows about it too because that shows a criminal lack of respect for priority adds
cinder nova
cinder nova
I have no idea how they do so little.
chrome falcon
actually you could just start saying slurs during your raid and they probably can't kick you you're like 90% physical damage
i mean one of your hunters did 10%
same spec did 2%
one feral did 8% another did 2%
so you just have some pumpaz whose tab keys are broken
chrome falcon
you're doing some pretty sick damage to them tbf so like
the 4 or 5 dps below you get a pass
but the rest yeah
slack overdrive
vernal vale
wow
vagrant tusk
Does Tank defensives stack? like spell reflect + shield wall at the same time
or the block and shield wall?
urban portal
they all stack
onyx vessel
Bm hunter 
jagged pier
dratnos said pwar is shit
Ah yes the boomkin main and the person that doesnt play the class, said its bad must be bad
pallid quiver
gotta admit
I actually have barely any idea who the hell Dratnos is. I just know he posts those weekly routes
jagged pier
Basically wow personality so ppl think he knows alot
Which he does but knowing about the ins and outs of a class u dont touch or play and then writing about it and making videos is just nah
Like in their tank tier list they literally said prot is bad against phyiscal damage
pallid quiver
i have no idea why major personalities and what-not are listened to so much in a game like wow. like, it's so math based for performance stuff, you can just go straight to the theory crafting and number crunching to get in-depth on classes you're interested in
jagged pier
So they dont really know what they are talking about
pallid quiver
hey man, physical damage is scary, you have to have shield block up
solemn elk
Tettles and Dratnos are so freaking annoying man
jagged pier
hey man, physical damage is scary, you have to have shield block up
Well like any other tank our mitigation tools help, but even without mitigation we take the least phyiscal damage because vanguard is so busted
potent anvil
Do they not remember pwar in bfa?
grave crane
I watched a video where they listed prot as c or d and was like do any of these guys even play it? Nah they just know that it āstruggles against magicā like ok and Blood DK is an RNG machine. If you donāt party you die
pallid quiver
Prot War's struggling against magic is very interesting to me; without regard to how it compares to other tanks, it's interesting how in like, AoE, if there's a lot of non-reflectable magic coming out, having a single spell reflectable spell is suffering. But, like, if it's only spell reflectable stuff on low numbers of enemies or things you can also interrupt, it's cruising life, even compared to other tanks I feel
grave crane
I mean realistic we can use SW for magic damage since it will be in a pretty low CD with our rage gen and spending. And we have demo shout and SR like we mitigate physical best but can mitigate just damage as well
sick sentinel
Tanked a 20 key today for the first time, Wasn't as bad as I was expecting
Not mentioning my guild forcing me to do it
orchid frigate
was a while since i tanked on my warrior. seems like booming voice is quite popular nowadays?
verbal hill
Tanking 15s at 250 ilvl isn't too bad... I'd imagine once I'm ~275 i could tank 15s without even pressing shield block right?
wary fern
what slot do i craft unity on
open bluff
š
wary fern
cheers
orchid frigate
funny how you always get Vy if the group yolos the relics
or maybe you only notice that the group yolo it because you get Vy š
hollow sun
Tanking 15s at 250 ilvl isn't too bad... I'd imagine once I'm ~275 i could tank ...
No, i don't think so
Like, if you trust your healer then yes, but you still will be trucked, especially on fortified
dusty jetty
i feel like u want shield block for shield slam damage dont you?
jagged pier
we were literally 252 at the start of the season
and ppl were doing 20s
so u can 100% tank 15s at 250
lofty widget
without tier as well
jagged pier
yep
and i wasnt pressing SB in 15s at the stasrt of season so u can 100% do it now
š
hollow gull
is this shield good at 278 or garbage?
hollow gull
the one on the left is the one i have equipped
jagged pier
the one with stats is better
hollow gull
thanks mate
hollow gull
on weapon celestial guidance or sinful revelation?
ionic fern
Celestial is the better all-around.
topaz field
Basically wow personality so ppl think he knows alot
even though i dont like dratnos i kinda have to say he is not clueless nor does he spread lies if u listen to him in depth he tells a lot of correc things
and he says this about warrior
Warrior is fantastic at mitigating incoming autoattacks, which remain the bulk of Mythic Plus damage. The other tanks have largely caught up to their tankiness in this area, however, while Warrior remains squishy against damage over time effects
u said he said warrior is bad against physical dmg while he says the opposite
lofty widget
but ppl read what he said and assume any magic dmg will kill us
topaz field
well
do u believe if i say i am 2.70m
i mean in general it was true for warrior the entire time of shadowlands
until this tier
but u dont eat any magic dmg in dungeons unless u fail
that he should have also said
ionic fern
He doesn't know enough about all the classes he tries to cover which leads to inaccurate descriptions.
topaz field
ofc
but he says this before every video
and admits this
and tells ppl to get different info
so i dont think hes trolling that much
ionic fern
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topaz field
but saying he is absolutely cluesless i dont know man
ionic fern
I've only watched very few videos from him ages ago and the sections about prot warriors were always full of some very-very questionable information.
So i just stopped
lofty widget
doesnt really matter what disclaimers he has, ppl just watch his video and base their opinions off that
if ppl looked up actual info they wouldnt need his video in the first place
topaz field
ye but u cant help those ppl anyways
lofty widget
well thats the majority of players
topaz field
if u get your choice by playing a class dratnos suggests
then u cannot help the majority
š
i think most prepatch guides/rankings or w/e had pala very high
and brew
because they cannot read it seems
they just cannot read what dk set does
lofty widget
im psure dk needed gear+gavel to do any real dmg, so hard to predict that tbf
topaz field
nah gavel is not mandatory to bang but ofc it helps
i think none foresaw prot playing necro also if i remember correctly
at least none of those experts xD
in general ppl should just know that those predictions are dogshit
jagged pier
number 1 the article i was referencing has ither been updated or straight up removed because the theory crafters all had a good laugh at it, as well as BDK being up there in S tier, also in the 1 i have found they dont even mention necro at all they talk about spear and AA which means they know nothing at all about the class as necro far out weighs the other covs by a mile
number 2 if you have to make disclaimers at the start of your videos there is literally 0 point in making the video in the first place
jagged pier
then get better at it
its not hard to reach out and ask ppl
come to the discord
like if im bad at my job
im told to get better or i get fired
š¤·
topaz field
not if you are ur own boss
topaz field
every prediction is dogshit since it is often full of personal preference
brittle owl
no, because my opinion is better than your opinion
topaz field
like on icy veins they post petkos shitlist every season
brittle owl
obviously
lofty widget
you cant predict "tier lists"
topaz field
and surprise every season shaman is high on petkos list
couz he is smoking shaman weed
lofty widget
besides all tanks are generally within 1-2 key levels of each other
aka "good enough" for 99.99 % of players
brittle owl
tier lists get views doe
so if you're a gaming personality that's your bread and butter
however you get them, you want views
and sometimes that just means being consistent with whatever you pseudo informational content you post
jagged pier
might be bread and butter but its not hard to reach out to the discord for information
flames does it
preach used to do it when he made content
brittle owl
there's literally 0 value in watching some dude tell you how you should play x game
you're better off learning logs and watching actual vods
maybe throw out the odd question or suggestion
jagged pier
but there literally 0 value in putting a tier list out to 1000s of ppl, with the wrong information
brittle owl
and then actually play
jagged pier
when u can get the correct information in 5 mins
topaz field
ofc its not
even the clown of limit how is he called
max
or w/e
he has noo fucking clue every tier
and still spreads a list
wintry nymph
What is even happening here xd
brittle owl
namecalling is also useless 
you don't need to ingratiate yourself by trying to bash people
topaz field
no i defended them š
wintry nymph
and still spreads a list
If you don't like tierlists, then don't watch the videos about tierlists
topaz field
and hopped on now
hey hey dont blame me
i defended them š
the theorycrafters flamed š
brittle owl
jagged pier
oh i found the article cause its not on wow head anymore
'Even against physical damage, their strength, they can struggle with sustaining themselves,'
literally incorrect
jagged pier
'The Warrior of Defense tier set (Outburst & Outburst) is also not particularly exciting, though some of the covenant legendaries theyāll have access to are, and they can therefore contribute sizable amounts of burst AoE damage'
literally doesnt talk about necro
ionic fern
jagged pier
says we are not the sort after spec
even tho we were 1 of the 3 tanks that could tank jailer pre nerf
brittle owl
wtf is warcraftforever
jagged pier
it always is
brittle owl
seems like it's getting worse homey š°
jagged pier
nope always getting worse
brittle owl
lofty widget
probably translated from english>???>english
brittle owl
why yes i do need landscaping ideas
jagged pier
i dunno
i found the article tho
because it aint on wowhead anymore
because guess what
it was wrong
not just about prot btw
several things about other tanks as well if i remeber correctly
and then in MDI they meme on a team about bringing a prot warrior and how bad it is even tho that team won
ionic fern
I mean..
That's just being lazy and pumping out content.
They are writing for WoWHead so they have access to all the guide writers that are writing for WoWHead for their in-depth knowledge + all public class discords etc.
They are just choosing to go the easy way.
ionic fern
Jep.
ionic fern
and then in MDI they meme on a team about bringing a prot warrior and how bad it...
That commentary was horrible to watch.
š
Also that gameplay from the Prot Warrior tbh.
brittle owl
must be some secret tech nobody knows about
jagged pier
Also that gameplay from the Prot Warrior tbh.
well yer the gameplay wasnt good at all kyrian siesmic on tryan
but still
brittle owl
mdi commentary is always cringe
jagged pier
they won
but nah dont bring a prot even tho the team against them we running meta class or some i believeand lost
š¤
velvet elbow
What team ran MDI prot warr? Wanna check it hehe
jagged pier
it was a chienese team and you dont
brittle owl
goddang chinamans
jagged pier
btw this statement 'magic damage effects can be downright brutal (unless theyāre Spell Reflectionable, in which case Warriors are phenomenal!).'
also hugely incorrect
20% magic DR on a 20 sec cd
busted
wintry nymph
Might actually start tanking as warr in DF, have always played arms / fury and never actually tanked
Have been trying it out lately and its actually so much fun
Unless arms gets really good in DF, then ill have to think about it cuz arms so much fun aswell xd
lofty widget
play both
jagged pier
then play fury and prot
wintry nymph
still new to tanking so thats holding me back a bit
topaz field
if you are a good dps you are a good tank and wise around because u are a good player
wintry nymph
arms > fury in terms of fun for me
wintry nymph
if you are a good dps you are a good tank and wise around because u are a good p...
big diff in tanking / dpsing tho
ionic fern
and i know tones good tanks that cant dps
MEEEEEEEEEEEEE.
Only that i'm also not a good tank.
wintry nymph
that i actually tanked
jagged pier
logs
wintry nymph
just saying that i don't have enough exp on tanking yet to say if im good at it or nah
xd
- haven't had any feedback from anyone on how it was
haha
topaz field
it all comes with practice
jagged pier
because its shit
topaz field
and enjoy outdpsing the dps recently
wintry nymph
didn't play too much this patch, but i'd say dpsing is going pretty well
topaz field
brew will be good with painsmith weapon again
wintry nymph
this was last patch ofc
topaz field
ye it doesnt
jagged pier
that just adds another passive damage to your top 5 damage
jagged pier
i dont think so the thing its supposed to do prot just does better imo
with 4pc double leggo etc
topaz field
prots aoe feels a bit underwhelming to me
ionic fern
What
topaz field
mb its only me
jagged pier
yer youve said this before
ionic fern
Are you sure you're playing the class correctly?
topaz field
plz dont giga flame me again
jagged pier
and thats just factually wrong
topaz field
ye but i dont play seismic
topaz field
im a high key enjoyer
ionic fern
Also, even with Reprisal you're overall DPS is really solid.
topaz field
dont think seismic is the play there or?
ionic fern
Idk what you consider a "high key".
ionic fern
And your overall dps is....?
jagged pier
thats like 2-3k low on what it should be
topaz field
still lots of flaws in my play
im always hesitant on tc
idk
feels like a slap when its on outburst
i always get a heartattack when i tc on outburst
jagged pier
u dont use it on TC that much at all
wintry nymph
and i dont have ravager
why not ?
topaz field
when its on cd i mean
wintry nymph
ah
jagged pier
i mean an outburst SS into double revenge is fine
but u can use it on TC then if u want
you want about 1 outburst for every 4 SS outbursted in keys
topaz field
revenge is so boosted when mobs arend grouped
jagged pier
something like that
topaz field
but the tankiness is juicy
unkillable
and finally i do dps on bosses
instead on necro brew doing 6 k st
thats an exaggeration before u flame me š
btw what would u suggest as 2nd trinket for my prot i dont raid and have no ows
im running power crystal
all tirnkets are garbage right?
jagged pier
u dont need to run ows on prot
topaz field
oh i thought it was bis
lofty widget
i ran phial when i was pushing
jagged pier
still our best dps trinket
topaz field
i was so disappointed when i got 278 in week 1 on my rogue š
then i will go for phial
is the power crystal ok even?
topaz field
mine is 278
and i try to get some juice in execute
i was thinking about the sd trinket with haste
dont remember its name
the baby ows
wintry nymph
Im running sigil on like 258 and soleahs, that any good ?
soleahs 278
also have OPC on 272
jagged pier
soleahs is great
topaz field
oh right
jagged pier
sigil is trash for m+
wintry nymph
oh really?
jagged pier
yes
wintry nymph
mmh
running 272 OPC better than 258 sigil for M+?
not raiding properly currently anyway
jagged pier
yes
wintry nymph
okay
still gotta fix my prot weapon
running that good ol 226 one hander
also had a 223 shield till last week xd
got 272 now
topaz field
thats a yikes 226 š
topaz field
i have treated my warrior all season with contempt thats why he has pretty good loot (blizzard logic)
wintry nymph
i played actively for the first bit this patch
last high key i did was 3 months ago now
or well
high..
a 19 / 20
xd
topaz field
i must gather friends first tho
couz my prot doesnt get invited
because he isnt red class
jagged pier
i did yesterday
topaz field
idk it feels like every 15-22 is pretty much a boost key
ppl know absolutely nothing
topaz field
ye š
like wtf
but it doesnt change until very high i guess
i have still not met a wl that beats my ww in overall
even in 25 26
they all just dont do their homework
wintry nymph
that warrior was 3k io btw
lol
i wanna learn arms in keys
i can play arms in raids
but never played it m+
always went fury
jagged pier
wanna know whats worse
this is a key on my shammy its 255 with 2pc the rest had 4pc and were 270+
š
ppl are good at the game
wintry nymph
the shammy is pretty decnet probably
the rest
idk
xd
idk what the mage is doing
probably looking out the window
jagged pier
almost like i said on my shammy
wintry nymph
almost like i said on my shammy
almost huh
missed that part
thought u might be the pala
cuz he aint doing too bad either
topaz field
@wintry nymph i have pushed with a fury last season
he was perma blasting and playing very good
wintry nymph
fury is fun and strong
topaz field
so that u never missed not having a ww
because skill can make up for pretty much everything
until u go world first range
wintry nymph
thing is
im usually high on the dps list and stuff
but im just not too amazing at m+
that being said, shadowlands is my first expansion
topaz field
well fury is definetely not at its best atm
wintry nymph
so don't have too much experience yet
i started 9.0 as dk
playing wow for the first time
still got 6/10 mythic
topaz field
i have another question for m+ solely is adaptive armor or show of force the play?
sick sentinel
show is bad mostly
jagged pier
its never show of force anymore
topaz field
why is it so bad?
sick sentinel
you still hit tc and revenge all the time
topaz field
its hard to believe but ok š
sick sentinel
but its low dps for one, ability lowpriority
topaz field
ye but nonetheless tc is still a decent amount of your overall
jagged pier
not really
sick sentinel
doesn't really matter in objective reality
lofty widget
its like 500 dps.. so sof adds 150 ish dps?
im no numbers guy but i'd reckon aaf gives you more overall
sick sentinel
you might use showing you were doing another covenant with bsc
that's just facts haven't used show since like 9.2 start before 9.2.5
topaz field
roger
and one thing i find really hard to do when i have an outburst proc and for the love of god i dont get a ss reset and cannot revenge because im low on rage
do i tc?
jagged pier
ye
lofty widget
yup
sick sentinel
I dunno if that's what your saying but I find it frustrating that there is only one set of best choices and everything, including for healer and tank is nothing but how much dps
topaz field
i think im not revenging enough
fallow narwhal
wdym
topaz field
i will log again and let myself get roasted by u guys
wintry nymph
i will log again and let myself get roasted by u guys
getting roasted can equal getting better
sick sentinel
I can count the number of times I swapped talents in sl , one, when we had to go away from thunderlords
topaz field
obviously š
topaz field
since the start of shadowlands im used to not getting healed
wintry nymph
you can always blame lag
sick sentinel
I blamed the dh for something stupid I did once few weeks ago
outplayed determined that was not true that it was dh fault
jagged pier
I can count the number of times I swapped talents in sl , one, when we had to go...
u didnt swap talents when we swapped from thunderlords unless u were playing the wrong talents
sick sentinel
old talents meaning bv (obviously) and bolster
jagged pier
that wasnt swapping from thunderlords
that was just getting reprisal
u played bv and bolstering regardless first patch
and u can swap between bv and BSC as much u like now
i prefer Bv
others prefer BSC
also swap rav and ITF for raiding
sick sentinel
well, DT became mandatory with reprisal which killed storm bolt, bolster went to am, and you could swap to BSc since bv wasn't as great value
sick sentinel
I stopped using ky cuz its literally like 420 dmg which is both meme worthy for value and omegalul for dps
sick sentinel
20 second button to do 400 dmg ... nope...
sick sentinel
bfa mythiclus wax only hard because of broken affixed and bad players
teeming, skittish...
topaz field
i miss skittish
would swap any day for inspired
inspired is like a seasonal affix
created by the devil himself
sick sentinel
infinite bolster that doesnt go away if you killed a 1000 hp rat yellow non elite
pre nerf under such final boss explosive
I loved bfa in a lot of ways, but I don't really miss it
topaz field
oh man bolster boralus
sick sentinel
I miss my friends from that time is what I miss
sick sentinel
reaping 8.2 we had a system to get me not to stand in purplewher my buddy would go on voice chat "purple purple purple purple green" (greens came at end) cuz otherwise I'd just stand in it
sick sentinel
the start of under rot is a test for example, there a maggot that does puke and mites that chase and do a cleave bleed
topaz field
thats what i mean yogi
u need stops
and not braindead
dps
one stormbolt
problem solved
sick sentinel
you ever pulled those 2 groups start of a pug you knew the key was doomed or if they had trouble with mask pack
topaz field
i miss that in SL dungeons
lofty widget
or just move out of the frontal
lofty widget
i'd argue you need more stops in SL
fallow narwhal
what
topaz field
comapred to bfa
cobalt seal
What
fallow narwhal
um
cobalt seal
No
cobalt seal
Not even close lol
topaz field
ye halls thats true
fallow narwhal
top
topaz field
top?
topaz field
unless you are doing 20+ top the pack is dead before first cast
cobalt seal
NW
cobalt seal
topaz field
u can just let infernal do it
sick sentinel
or I can specifically recall going into underrot with there is 3 of those girl npcthat would just one shot the whole group
sick sentinel
it was like 80% party hit
and they got fucking 3 of them sitting there, made a reddit post about it being 3 of them and it got changed
dawn canyon
Cuz fucking everything has some stupid thing to kick which annoys you at decent levels
cobalt seal
ĀÆ\_(ć)_/ĀÆ
dawn canyon
Scribes in non 15 start getting spooky 
topaz field
the lvl u can pug keys is way higher in SL couz u barely need to coordinate
cobalt seal
Lol
dawn canyon
Just because ramfam pugs a 28 doesnt mean we can
cobalt seal
the lvl u can pug keys is way higher in SL couz u barely need to coordinate
Maybe players got better?
brittle owl
lies
cobalt seal
Its a thing Over time
sick sentinel
I find the shadowlands dungeons worse sometimes
lavish grove
no but high roll corruption does
cobalt seal
That was like 6 months in
brittle owl
Corruption doesnt come near s3
true, corruption was literal cheat codes
onyx vessel
brittle owl
having r3 TD on a tank was an instant nerf to "easy" keys
onyx vessel
Idk right now 32s being done easily
dawn canyon
Easily?
cobalt seal
having r3 TD on a tank was an instant nerf to "easy" keys
I know
onyx vessel
Bfa 30 was hard af
brittle owl
they were in s4 bfa as well
brittle owl
but like cro said
topaz field
and still does
dawn canyon
They should open TR and let you play with the gear echo had for their 31 ++ PF and infinte tries
brittle owl
this season it's more immediate
dawn canyon
Odds are like 2 groups time it
jagged pier
Idk right now 32s being done easily
only 15, 32 or higher keys have ever been done
lavish grove
32's being timed easily by some of the best players in the world
cobalt seal
Odds are like 2 groups time it
More
onyx vessel
only 15, 32 or higher keys have ever been done
tough nacelle
how doesnt even need a real kick
so ur that guy that lets final bargain pass
jagged pier
<:deadge:900279927138578432>
16 sry and 14 if u take out the 2 depleted ones
dawn canyon
Oh ye Aster too
topaz field
so ur that guy that lets final bargain pass
i dont know what top u play
cobalt seal
so ur that guy that lets final bargain pass
Why wouldnt you
onyx vessel
No prot warriors in a 32 tho
topaz field
but that sounds like a NW
brittle owl
chinamans been leading the way for high m+ since late legion
people just ignored them
topaz field
and ofc u let it pass
cobalt seal
i dont know what top u play
We see your brain right here
brittle owl
cause they werent on rio
cobalt seal
Its a nw
onyx vessel
jagged pier
so ur that guy that lets final bargain pass
it literally kills the mob for u
topaz field
its the freehold mechanic
jagged pier
why would u use an inturpt on it if it wasnt needed
onyx vessel
Did a 15 healer had 24 interrupts
brittle owl
madlad
tough nacelle
i'd like to try a sip of what u guys drink around here KEKW
cobalt seal
i'd like to try a sip of what u guys drink around here KEKW
I will 100% mute you
onyx vessel
cobalt seal
If you think you Kick that
jagged pier
well u can kick it
topaz field
u cannot kick it š
jagged pier
u dont have too
topaz field
final bargin is not a cast
cobalt seal
u cannot kick it š
Ofc you can
topaz field
u have to shockwave it
cobalt seal
What
topaz field
or w/e
lofty widget
it's called a stun
topaz field
yes
lofty widget
same shit
jagged pier
or a fear
topaz field
yeye
jagged pier
or a disoritent
topaz field
obviously u would never do that
lofty widget
why not
lofty widget
not like youre gonna use it on anything else
cobalt seal
But there is a world you do
sick sentinel
I still remember snake boss trap bfa you could instantly remove it by using a stun
topaz field
i also lost track
brittle owl
shut up cro
brittle owl
hard having a cheery attitude when you live in a shanty house made of driftwood near a major highway in a brazillian favella
onyx vessel
cobalt seal
hard having a cheery attitude when you live in a shanty house made of driftwood ...
I might pick up my gun and execute you
brittle owl
give me a heads up
sick sentinel
hard having a cheery attitude in this total fucking clown world we inhabit now
brittle owl
mods might take offense to us here cro
sick sentinel
Canada sends its regards for giving us trudaue castro
brittle owl
sick sentinel
nah, but like, I got 300 days played in shadowlands on Warr adk alot of that time
I mean, yeah, clearly hiding from clown world at that point. like wtf you even able to say about since 2019
dawn canyon
nah, but like, I got 300 days played in shadowlands on Warr adk alot of that tim...
thats a bit manny innnit
slim zinc
SL has been out like 600 days, so easy if you're just logged in all day every day
sweet summit
jagged pier
how the fuck u at 300 days im on 93
jagged pier
i mean yer i might have maybe 10 days max on alts
but thats no where close to 300
on 1 char alone
jagged pier
the best
brittle owl
4 hours of that was doing normal nathria in questing greens
lemme tell you
you don't clench your buttcheeks harder outside of that
orchid frigate
@strong forum can u share your weakaura hud pls?
orchid frigate
ok thanks!
oblique garnet
how the fuck u at 300 days im on 93
Is 300 alot
jagged pier
i mean i have 470 somthing total on warrior alone
and this is my second warrior i played another one before this one
but hes gone to time
i think 300 is kinda a lot for SLs
but then again i played like 200 days in legion
so who am i to judge
oblique garnet
I cant keep track on how many hours i have in SL
Since i played so many different chars in every tier
jagged pier
well yer but dont ever get full total
cause i only track warrior
like i played a lot of alts in bfa and still had like 100 days on warrior
š¤·
could get altaholic or whatever the addon is
but cba
sick sentinel
maybe it was 300 days total on warrior and 90 at 60, i can't remember for sure
but its some number thats larger than i like for time spent
that'd make most sense cuz i probably played, 100-150 days on BFA, and then like 60 days prior to that in general
cobalt seal
but its some number thats larger than i like for time spent
why you keep playing lol
snow brook
300 days in Shadowlands exclusively means above 12h a day, every day since the expansion launched, doable, but def a lot
cobalt seal
https://tenor.com/view/what-are-you-talking-about-huh-what-what-are-you-saying-stirring-gif-17820207
It's like saying I hate lemon icecream
and every month
you try it
"this time I might like it"
sick sentinel
is lemon icecream even a real thing? doesn't sound THAT horrid
i can imagine worsh dishes
cobalt seal
(totally my point)
why do I even bother
it's like you playing wow
each time expecting a dif result
and in the end
always the same thing
cinder pasture
is lemon icecream even a real thing? doesn't sound THAT horrid
It's a thing, and it's amazing
sick sentinel
i like to hold out hope that blizzard can do the right thing and just make a game that gets people going again
wintry nymph
lemon icecream is the way to go
wintry nymph
i hate lemon in general
but the icecream though
its actually really really good
its my favorite type of icecream tbf
dawn canyon
I think i have like 80-100 days in SL
cobalt seal
(what did I do)
wintry nymph
(totally my point)
oblique garnet
Theres like so many just better alternatives and you like LEMON the best????