protection

[fallow osprey]

Ya I guess you’re right

[faint cloud]

2 trinkets do i want as a fresh prot warr

[chrome falcon]

probably scale+soleahs

defensive options

[hazy edge]

Scale, soleahs, opc, phial, afe are all good trinkets

[chrome falcon]

yeah

if you're just starting though a stat stick+a giant absorb will be good while learning

[sick sentinel]

Not taking Urh won't wipe you..... but it's just not optimal is all.

[unkempt zinc]

is there a WA tracker for ignore pain that anyone here uses?

[fallow osprey]

I didn’t really find a use for it because I was constantly pressing IP regardless of how much of a shield I had remaining

I just have a bar that shows me the time and “absorb” value from AfenarsUI but I don’t pay attention to it really

[strong forum]

theres no actual information to be gathered by tracking IP outside very niche tankbuster scenarios

i have just a tiny text based WA not even displaying the duration on it, cuz IP is impossible to run out due to how much we spam it

but 99% of the time you dont care about IPs state

[jagged pier]

IP is ither up

or down

doesnt matter ither way

i mean tbf if you play correctly with 4pc its just up most of the time anyways

[fallow osprey]

The spell reflect sound is so nice

When it reflects

[hollow sun]

yeah, i tried to track IP before as well, but its just pointless information, you gain so much rage that you won't do anything useful with that info

[chrome falcon]

yeah

whether or not IP is up is not relevant

you still press IP even if it's up

it was somewhat useful in legion when IP was good

[chrome falcon]

https://gyazo.com/ee43e4253dc11ecd482a3154822daaaa?token=aea0a9b3cc6b50c876c18db5b7249d41

thank you jailer, very cool

[lofty widget]

[shut summit]

only time ive really had to pay attention to min/max IP absorb was pre-nerf jailer dot

cuz that shit slapped

[chrome falcon]

we're pretty much 100% copying what you did sense and i'm really enjoying the uh

6th? tank blast

the one you have to run back during beyblades

very fun

🙃

[shut summit]

yea super fun

[chrome falcon]

yeah guys don't mind me just sitting in the middle of a storm of beyblades channeling fleshcraft

i'm fine

[verbal hill]

Shield block uptime is hard.... Will this get easier as I get more haste?

Only 250 ilvl right now

[jagged pier]

do u have repsial?

[verbal hill]

Yeah

[jagged pier]

then not really

[verbal hill]

Sadge

[jagged pier]

it comes from playing alot more than haste

[verbal hill]

I guess I need to get better at jumping out and charging back in

[jagged pier]

might not even be that might not be pressing it as much as u think

but cant tell without logs

[chrome falcon]

people were managing with 26 ilvl lower than that and no urh

somehow

you don't need to "jump out" to charge in with reprisal though

just backpedal away from a caster

or something stunned

ezpz

[verbal hill]

I get worried I'm gonna charge through the pack and get instagibbed from the back

[chrome falcon]

i mean you might back-tank like one melee

not the end of the world unless you're going high keys

[fallow osprey]

Are you looking at shield block uptime or % blocked hits? I think the latter is more informative…

[hollow sun]

To be honest, just make practice. At first maybe you will fuck up, but eventually you will learn on how to target fast. and you can just charge the mobs that are on the external sides of the pack

or just use shockwave and charge back

[dusty jetty]

Does block duration stack..?

From the leggo

[hollow sun]

yes

[dusty jetty]

Is there a max?

[hollow sun]

i think there is a limit of like 18 or 25sec

but you won't reach those numbers unless you play bolster

[dusty jetty]

Can u macro like a charge/clap/intervene/charge 😂

[hollow sun]

and there isn't really a point to have that much block duration at the same time

[hollow sun]

/ castsequence

[dusty jetty]

Lololol

[hollow sun]

just keybind them lol

[dusty jetty]

wtf is this tank doing

[hollow sun]

he is starting to believe uses castsequence

[dusty jetty]

Most mobile tank 2022

Idc if we cant fly

[sick sentinel]

How's prot looking for Season 4?

[lofty widget]

🤷‍♂️

if nothing changes, great!

but it's too early to tell

[chrome falcon]

you can but please don’t

You’ll overcap rage and waste revenge procs

Also if you’re opening a pack with clap that’s cringe

[dusty jetty]

ooo

whats the rotation

is it shockwave

[dusty jetty]

sorry im noob

[lofty widget]

prepull: ravager>banner then charge>ava>ss>revenge>revenge>DS

and IP in between to not overcap

[dusty jetty]

revenge even with cost?

[toxic pewter]

Hell yeah brother

[lofty widget]

yes

[dusty jetty]

shouldnt i be IP and shield block priority

[lofty widget]

you should spend the majority of your rage on revenge

ofc keep up SB

IP is ONLY for not overcapping

[chrome falcon]

Have fun doing 6k dps if you only use free revenge

[dusty jetty]

i only do 1.5k dps atm

[modern brook]

Lmao

[lofty widget]

[modern brook]

Ip is for stinkies

[dusty jetty]

ok so main mitigation is keeping up sb

and then the rest is revenge

i thought IP was the main thing we use

[modern brook]

Don't think about your resource like a dps

[lofty widget]

yup, and then IP if youre gonna overcap rage

[modern brook]

You shield block when you need to block

[lofty widget]

IP is useless as mitigation

[modern brook]

Revenge when you need to damage

[dusty jetty]

i see i see

[modern brook]

Ip to maintain efficiency

[dusty jetty]

so most of the mitigation is just from the spec being beefy and uptime on sb and avatar or something?

[lofty widget]

most of the mitigation is SB

[modern brook]

Shield block and cooldowns

That's why it's a big deal to understand your pulls

[dusty jetty]

where does demoralising shout fit into this? is it also something used infrequently or just whenever

[lofty widget]

use it on cd

[modern brook]

Demo shout can and should be used on cd

[dusty jetty]

ok

[modern brook]

Last stand and wall should be planned

[dusty jetty]

ok so theoretically if a healer never struggles i would never use those?

[modern brook]

No

They should be planned

If you xan go through a dungeon without using them you are doing baby content way too slowly

[lofty widget]

LS is a big offensive cd since youre using the unnerving focus conduit

[dusty jetty]

arent they more like emergency buttons

oh ok

[modern brook]

So like

In theory

There are no emergencies

[lofty widget]

my rule of thumb with SW is, if you dont need it for literally the next pull, just use it

[modern brook]

Honestly this is how it plays out

Cause am is sick af

[lofty widget]

[dusty jetty]

thanks for all your help guys btw

this is gud

[modern brook]

High key

Just log / record a key

[dusty jetty]

❤️

[lofty widget]

you should log a run and let us have a look tbh

its much easier to give feedback that way

[modern brook]

It's one of those things where we can yell the guide at you but having examples makes shit way obvious

[dusty jetty]

i like the yelling

[fallow osprey]

if you're tanking the first menagerie boss in taz:streets and you get gluttony, do you actively move the boss around to grab the orbs or stay still for dps?

[cobalt seal]

There are no orbs

When tanking first boss

[mighty valley]

i bring the 2nd boss to the corner to cluster up more of the orbs, i don't jump all over the room tbh

[fallow osprey]

oh i think i'm misremembering which one

[cobalt seal]

Also that

Tank 2nd always close to a corner

And you dont move boss to get orbs

Its already bad enough

Having the dps monkeys losing dps to go around the room getting them

[fallow osprey]

does that area work?

[cobalt seal]

No

Literal corner

[fallow osprey]

ok you'll have to explain it differently cuz i circled a right angle lol sorry

[cobalt seal]

Left of your circle

Is the true corner

[fallow osprey]

ok cool, ya was just a sloppy circle

and er what does the corner do for us?

do the orbs get blocked?

[drifting fable]

theres some doorways in the room yes the orbs get caught in thwm

[cobalt seal]

One of those 3 places

[drifting fable]

if the boss dies there

[cobalt seal]

Right corner is the worst of the 3

Somehow orbs dont get stuck

[drifting fable]

it gets like half of them

but yeah ive found more success on the top door

[cobalt seal]

I prefer left corner

Way easier to control

[fallow osprey]

when achillite dies there do you tank the last boss anywhere special?

nearby so the dps don't have to run?

[cobalt seal]

Somewhere near 2nd

But not on top of it

[fallow osprey]

ok i'll give it a go thanks! do you go right after the boss? i've tried a couple times and it's like walking a dog that's seen a squirrel, they all want to go left and say its faster

[drifting fable]

make it easy for your melees who have gluttony to still dps the 3rd boss

[fallow osprey]

i was planning on going right because of the weekly route on raider.io is all

[drifting fable]

you mean after 1st boss?

[fallow osprey]

ya after 1st boss

[drifting fable]

i would just go left on lower keys

the trash is much easier to deal with

[fallow osprey]

oh are the skulkers and stuff that bad?

[drifting fable]

just gotta silence the ancient dread

theyre both whatever, the trash on the left used to be way worse

but they nerfed it at some point

[fallow osprey]

ok

[cobalt seal]

Its not that right is bad

Is that left is ez as fuck

[mighty valley]

easier for randos to do accidental pulls going right

can't really fuck up leftr

[cobalt seal]

You can

[mighty valley]

unless they fail kicks i guess

[cobalt seal]

Not Kick curse

[drifting fable]

yeah double ancient dread feels bad

[cobalt seal]

[drifting fable]

but itll only ever be 1 cuz im kicking that first bitch

[wanton bridge]

Do we think Prot is going to be decent next season as things stand? Will much change with being able to gear from all 3 raids and mechagon?

I main Guardian (and BDK when needed) but kinda wanna play prot next season as its the tank I have the most fun with. Curious what people think of it heading into S4 though

[mighty valley]

i don't think the gear will change much, which means we'll continue to be just fine

[wanton bridge]

sweet, good enough for me 🙂

[scenic mural]

we are gonna be better than we are this season. big old warrior soul and shard from SoD. all tanks should really be getting better barring any balance changes. much easier to have BIS gear

[lavish oracle]

I keep thinking my damage is really shitty this week and then I remember it's spiteful and I spend half the dungeon in combat running past ghosts

[verbal hill]

Is prot the most gear dependent tank?

[urban portal]

No tank is gear dependent per se

That being said a bigger shield helps on prot war than any other tanks weapon

[verbal hill]

I should prioritise shield over any other slot? For example with spending valor and Vault?

[urban portal]

That’s generally a correct statement

[blazing condor]

Shield gives block

[topaz field]

one thing i have never looked out for. Do we actually keep the matery from banner if we extend for 2 mins?

[jagged pier]

u keep all effects of banner as long as u have the buff

[topaz field]

but your teammates dont?

[jagged pier]

they do not

[topaz field]

thank you

[jagged pier]

never have

[topaz field]

unlucky for them

more execute for me

does this actually lead to that i kinda wanna dodge mastery on my gear? i know its an excellent defensive stat but do i really need like 800 with banner up then

[jagged pier]

its our worst stat

[topaz field]

thats a unity recraft on chest then xD

[ionic fern]

Don't overthink it.

[topaz field]

the chest just stares at me with its 125 mastery

[jagged pier]

yer but changing unity to chest should only matter u arent going to loose strength dropping the ilvl of the piece your moving unity off from

we care little aout secondary stats tbh

just more strength is better

[topaz field]

i see

i remember from bfa when u had the avatar tons of mastery u crit blocked like everything

[jagged pier]

crit block is rng and was back then

[hollow sun]

If the banner does not extend its duration to your party, why aren't we going for a higher dps covenant like NF?

[jagged pier]

because necro is the highest dps covenant

[strong forum]

In bfa you had only 10% more mastery than you do currently during banner

Roughly

Atleast in my case

[hollow sun]

So if extended the banner does more dmg than AA?

[strong forum]

Necro is the highest dps cov, yes

[jagged pier]

do u not want perma 22% extra strength?

[topaz field]

@hollow sun

thats st for prot

[jagged pier]

imma say it tho, if u cant keep banner up u aint gunna be close to those numbers tho

but if u cant keep banner up your just bad at the class

[hollow sun]

Yeah, I think I can't keep it up for more than 1m because I don't have tier set yet

But who knows, gotta start logging again

[jagged pier]

well u need at least 2 set

but we are what like 4 months into the patch should really have it by now

we presume ppl have tier

[topaz field]

😄

a friend created a monk on wednesday hes full tier

like its rlly easy to play a couple of dungeons

and u basically only need flux then

[ionic fern]

Cool

I am still on 2pc on my hunter after 4 weeks.

[topaz field]

the game is telling u something

[ionic fern]

Jeah.

THat RNG is shit.

[topaz field]

not to fotm reroll

[ionic fern]

"FOTM reroll".

ok.

I'm a BM.

[topaz field]

okay

then u wanted the no tier set experience

why do u care even then

bm has no tier

[hollow sun]

I still have only one tier after a week of dungeons

[topaz field]

u have only found one slot?

just invite plate friends 🙂

with high ilvl :p

[dawn canyon]

Im still trying to get a shoulder on my ele

3p forever

[oblique garnet]

Yeh but youre known slacker

[jagged pier]

mwahi been playing Starcraft too much waiting for alpha

[ionic fern]

Starcraft is timeless.

[hollow sun]

I watch sc2 matches when having breakfast, it's incredible how good it is after 12 years

[lament musk]

Sc2 is still great to watch

Big serral fan

Harstem's my fav youtube channel atm too

[sick sentinel]

we truly 10.0 waiting room now

i did an 11, sure, that went through, stopped doing keys till last night lots of death sure, but healer leaves final trash wing

fuck it probably, that's... yeah...

[lyric summit]

FotM if you Q 2s

[strong forum]

Bm is also fotm on jailer

Mwahi is just super preparing

[sick sentinel]

im gunna try that 15 dos again today, dunno why it fucked up exactly, but necrotic not getting removed fucked us alot

few scenario tried to leap away,(didnt work) i'm assuming mist monk didn't have ring ready

[restive sage]

necrotic not getting removed is all on the tank

its a tough week if you arent prepared for it

[dawn canyon]

U probably wanna leap and shockwave

[restive sage]

t clap and run can work too

[grave crane]

nah necrotic is a healer mechanic. my job is to not take as much damage

they just need to power through it

[west walrus]

"Prot warrior is the best tank for Jailer MM" I was not prepared to hear that

Most of the strategy is based on Sense's PoV, big pressure 👀

[restive sage]

just heal 5head

[strong forum]

Pwar is defo top 2 for jailer

Cuz monk lost a good 1.5k to 2k dps cuz of his melee dmg nerf

And ofc cuz of jailers giga long execute phase

[west walrus]

Miom

Pwarr is number one if you only look at the DPS

Though only 6 parses in last two weeks

[strong forum]

Well yeah, nobody has a geared pwar

Too many fotm chasers

And bdk is just inarguably strong

This tier is the worst its ever been regarding tank representation

[jagged pier]

its not just dps u loose healing orbs and stuff as well

its giga unfun

[strong forum]

Couple that with the fact that literally only bdk brm and pwar could tank jailers melee attacks Pre-pre-nerf

[dawn canyon]

It's cool that he at least hits hard although his Story sux

[west walrus]

There is a story ? oO

[dawn canyon]

Since warcraft 3

[strong forum]

Even blizz doesn't wanna acknowledge SL story

[blazing condor]

He was actually the good guy all along

[strong forum]

They literally just wanna shush that SL ever happened

[wintry nymph]

I wonder if the DF story is gonna be any good

[jagged pier]

by rushing out next expansion

[wintry nymph]

i hope they are not gonna release it this year

just do it next summer and test properly or something

[west walrus]

That reminds me the theory that SL is just a mere dream

[blazing condor]

All of SL was just us seeing the shadowlands through frostmourne during the lich king encouter

We come back and are broken out by uther

We’re back in icc baby

[oblique garnet]

Sword opened barrier that sealed dragon islands so now they comeback in DF

Very easy story fix

[strong forum]

What sword

[blazing condor]

Did someone say…

[brittle owl]

big sword

from big fire daddy

in big dick expansion

[jagged pier]

wait theres a sword?

[brittle owl]

that's what they want you to believe at least

redpilled chads know otherwise

[strong forum]

What sword

[jagged pier]

☝️

[oblique garnet]

the writers have no idea how to close loose ends

[blazing condor]

the writers have no idea

[jagged pier]

I have no idea

[blazing condor]

i

[jagged pier]

[waxen orbit]

There’s no sword in azeroth

[oblique garnet]

Yeah same, what is our purpose

[waxen orbit]

Tf are you guys talking about

[jagged pier]

to do more damage than me while still no playing the game

[oblique garnet]

Yeah but thats minor purpose not big picture

[blazing condor]

🤓 umm?? The big sword caused by Sargeras that struck right through Silithus??? You know the one that started the entire Battle for Azeroth expansion??

[jagged pier]

rude

[waxen orbit]

Naww that’s always been there man you’re trippin

[jagged pier]

never heard of it

[blazing condor]

You guys should play the game more

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-14359850

[waxen orbit]

https://tenor.com/view/naw-mike-epps-nah-hell-hellnaw-gif-5613336

[oblique garnet]

You work all your life for money that you can spend for your dreams but then you have no time/energy to pursue those dreeams
Or you start family life and eventually retire from the shitty 9-5 job but with current economic situation thats probably not possible either

[jagged pier]

☝️

THIS

TRUE

[oblique garnet]

[jagged pier]

[blazing condor]

Just take bank loans and then dont repay them

Life hack

[oblique garnet]

For what?

Own house? That you technically dont own because loans and land payments

For car?

[urban portal]

Just run off with the house

[strong forum]

Late coming in with the existential crisis

[oblique garnet]

Yeah kinda bored

[blazing condor]

Buying gf

[strong forum]

Embrace the day to day no thoughts head empty gang

Atleast there's some happiness in that

[blazing condor]

Progress in life??? Whats that

You mean in wow?

We’re on break

[strong forum]

Progress is an illusion

The never ending chase

[dawn canyon]

Take headphone
Music loud
Pepejam

No think only pepejam

[strong forum]

Literally me

[solemn elk]

Word brother

[oblique garnet]

Maybe ill just go to school again and get a degree in construction or something🤔

[solemn elk]

Late the bricklayer

[dawn canyon]

I like dissassociating over youtube lists of events i remotely care for

[strong forum]

Anything is better than just existing at home

That much is certain

[dawn canyon]

At home is good

[solemn elk]

Just get Covid infinitely

Infinite money

[strong forum]

If I were to stay at home I'd literally become a zombie

Or ready for the mental ward

Shit ain't healthy for your mental

[solemn elk]

Why would you stay at home?

[oblique garnet]

So your job Nome

[strong forum]

Job is keeping me sane, yes

[oblique garnet]

Do you want to do that for the rest of your life?

[strong forum]

Doesn't sound too bad

Got a good job

[solemn elk]

Anything is better than laying bricks

[oblique garnet]

So you are passionate about it ?

[strong forum]

I care about it, to say the least, but obv if I had the choice of having no money problems ever and doing w/e the fuck I want I'd choose that

[lament musk]

[strong forum]

But reality doesn't work like that often times, I'm content with my job, keeps me busy.

Whenever I had 3 weeks vacation I'd just rot away for 1.5 weeks

So I just don't take vacation for that long periods anymore

[oblique garnet]

I mean realistically what is stopping you from just going after what you really want to do? Or is it something that you cant do without money or wont earn you money?

[strong forum]

Laziness, mostly

Wage life is easy and comfy life

[jagged pier]

☝️

[dawn canyon]

Already am one :)

[strong forum]

Have literally nothing to worry about

Literally nothing

[lime urchin]

Sounds good

Nome is blessed

[jagged pier]

inflation 👀

[strong forum]

My wage increases more per year than inflation

And I'm applying for higher position soon

[jagged pier]

lucky

[oblique garnet]

X to doubt

[strong forum]

So I get more moneyz

[strong forum]

It's factual :)

[oblique garnet]

So you are getting 10% raise every year?

[strong forum]

Nah, inflation was 5% last year

Got 6% raise

[oblique garnet]

Have you paid attention to where its now

[jagged pier]

its 9% now

👀

[minor helm]

When you only get 3% raises

[strong forum]

And I'll get a raise in 6 months

🤷‍♂️

Idc much boyos

[lament musk]

Nome is hakuna matataing

[oblique garnet]

Ok so is your apartment rent controlled or can the price go up?

[strong forum]

Bing chilling

[drifting juniper]

oh critcake is here

damn

[strong forum]

My rent didn't increase in 4 years

[minor helm]

[jagged pier]

damn

[lime urchin]

Wait what

[drifting juniper]

i'm n1 critcake fan

[lime urchin]

Where dis

Omw

[jagged pier]

rent control?

[strong forum]

[oblique garnet]

And only halfway through the year

[minor helm]

I need to move to the no rent go up place

[jagged pier]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/986417059707621416.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[strong forum]

It just didn't

It went up by 20€ once in 5 years

[drifting juniper]

guys is it wrong to press Ignore pain to keep banner up?

[strong forum]

No

It's recommended to do so

[oblique garnet]

Use IP freely

[minor helm]

When I was living in an apartment with my gf it went from 990 to 1200 by the time our second lease was up

[strong forum]

You need to spend fuckloads of rage

To not overcap

Keeping up Banner is your almost highest priority

[jagged pier]

u overcap IP to keep banner up

[drifting juniper]

yeah i mean sometimes revenge and shield block are not enough to keep the banner going so i just put it in IP

[strong forum]

Absolutely

Your goal is to have 100% banner uptime

Through all means necessary

[drifting juniper]

and since your last suggestion i am not using my 4 piece on thunder clap

but if its a big pack should i start with avaatar clap for surge of aggro

[strong forum]

It helps, yea

It's not optimal, but threat is a bitch

[drifting juniper]

ok i think i'm getting better at this whole protection warrior thing

[jagged pier]

[drifting juniper]

i tanked +21 this week and surprisngly warrior takes no damage

why is it not more popular

[strong forum]

Cuz people dumb

And you have content creators like the gold guardian gang spout that pwar sucks

So people just blindly accept that as a reality

[drifting juniper]

i can't wait to get +270

so i can do big dam with execute

enjoying warrior a lot, the packs i struggled in with my paladin i just face tank with my warrior and my hp barely falls

[blazing condor]

Dont think there’s any wrong with using your first avatar outburst on tc when you pop on a new pack

[dawn canyon]

Pwar is magic but with physical spells and anger

[blazing condor]

But i havent played in 2 months also i suck

But it feels good

[grave crane]

Really any content creator. Maybe one of the tank content craters has a different view but most YouTubers just go pwar is weak to magic ergo bad

[jagged pier]

no flames is bae

actually plays them all

goes to the discords to get information

and is playing pwarrior right now

[grave crane]

I’ve never heard of flames but shit as long as he’s getting all the actual info and trying it out then he’s doing more than many others

[topaz field]

i dont know a single (wow) youtube content creator that does content or presents result i would be interested in

and every pre patch tier list or w/e u wanna call it is the biggest bait out there

[drifting juniper]

this is how my recount looks like

is it about right?

[jagged pier]

🤷

cant tell without logs

TC looks a little high to me

[drifting juniper]

but i think my damage is low

as a tank

altough i go out to reset my stacks this week

[dawn canyon]

What ilvl were you again?

[waxen orbit]

Yeah it’s pretty low

[topaz field]

its not low your dmg 😄

i mean it kinda depends on quite many things

u dont have 4 set u said right?

[drifting juniper]

i do

[blazing condor]

post log

[topaz field]

and its tyranical plus u had ppl doing more dmg than they should

couz premade group?

[drifting juniper]

but my overall falls down a bit due to spiteful

i need to download a software right?

[blazing condor]

"more damage than they should" is a weird phrase

[topaz field]

i mean i just checked

they went 17 hoa or w/e

and u run double hunter ww on it

that means u are lucky if u get a single reflect on shard pulls

in other words the ordinary 17 hoa does not contain 3 ppl doing 20 k

[drifting juniper]

i got 4 set this week and this week adds die fast and i have to kite to drop stacks

[topaz field]

so how can anyone ever judge apart from having a look at logs

fucking reroll your vulpera

into a dwarf

yes if u dont perma chain u will lose banner between pulls on low key

[drifting juniper]

but i like my vulpera 😦

[topaz field]

actually vulpera should be bis for dps on spiteful 😄

u also have a bad weapon btw

[drifting juniper]

yes i am going to do a +20 necrotic now to see how i perform

[blazing condor]

get a log

[drifting juniper]

idk how

[blazing condor]

someone post the jakey copy pasta

How do i log ?
So, if you have been here for a while, you may have noticed that whenever somebody ask for advice we ask them for a log, and if you’re new you might have no idea what that means or how to get one so :

🔸 First, download Loggerhead (https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/loggerhead) or ERT (https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/exorsus-raid-tools)

Once you have one of these any time you enter a zone where you might want a log (ie dungeon/raid/torghast) these addons will automatically start logging (in the case of ERT you have to activate automated logging in the options).
Alternatively if you don’t want to install an addon for it, whenever you are going to do an activity you want to log type /combatlog in chat to start logging said activity.
Remember to activate advanced logging in the options (System -> Network -> Advanced Combat Logging)
All these options will store your logs in your wow file inside the retail folder and the log file.

🔸 Second, go here (https://www.warcraftlogs.com/client/download) download the client. Select the live section of the client, select the upload a log button and select the fight you’re interested in putting up as a log and boom you’re done.

🔸 Third, once you’ve done all this, your log is uploaded you can put it up here and we can look at it together to see if you’re doing something wrong.

If you wish look at your own log Jakey made a nice little video explaining what we look at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1tRp8lULT8

[dawn canyon]

This the biggest way of improvement

Big vouch for a yellow review

[drifting juniper]

ok i will log my next run

[topaz field]

sounds like me i will finish my project this week copium

[dawn canyon]

Big vouch for a yellow review

Is it sending double for everyone or just me

[strong forum]

Is there twice

[dawn canyon]

[blazing condor]

a lot of echo in here

[fallow osprey]

posted a prot warrior log in #449510248579858432

[hollow sun]

People have this mindset of the dream job that ultimately does not exist for 99% of them. I got a lot of shit for having a 9-5 from people that couldn't pay rent cause they were chasing their artistic dreams "just follow your dreams bro, we all are gonna make it"

[strong forum]

wagmi

[urban portal]

would rather wagecuck 40 hours a week and spend the rest of the time doing something i enjoy

than not being sure where my next paycheck is going to be from following my dreams

[hollow sun]

yeah, you always hear the success stories of people that left a CEO position to become a successful yoga teacher, but those stories are 0.1% of those that try

[sick sentinel]

only about 3% of people ever try to get to that level or even respond positively to an unknown invite

[waxen orbit]

Yeah no this is wrong

If the rest of your group is all doing good damage

That should inflate your DPS

This is a gameplay issue

[echo egret]

Heroic Jailer 1st time tonight. Once you've taken the 1st hit of tank combo, and 2nd tank has taunted, do you still share the 3rd one with everyone ?

[mighty valley]

yes, people need to soak the circle

[echo egret]

even the tank wiht massive vulnerability debuff ?

[mighty valley]

you can't move out of it, you're locked in place

[echo egret]

okay, problem solved

[mighty valley]

it doesn't really matter when your cotank taunts, the whole combo is cast on your location regardless

[echo egret]

👍

[topaz field]

no that statement is very wrong sir particularly on a spiteful week

[waxen orbit]

Spiteful is another thing that inflates your damage

Lmfao

Literally free banner uptime and pad

[topaz field]

what kind of pad tho

[waxen orbit]

Pad

[topaz field]

if u arent trolling u leave them behind

80 % of the time

[waxen orbit]

They're going to spawn while you're killing a pack like what lmao

[topaz field]

ye u wish

and if your group is doing too good dmg on a 17 hoa u finish the first pull (shard pull usually) in 20-30 seconds

and u tell me this helps u to keep banner up lmao

[waxen orbit]

Yes because it is directly next to several other mobs that you will pull

Lmfao

[topaz field]

ok

[waxen orbit]

Respectfully this is asinine

[topaz field]

kinda senseless to discuss anymore we have fundamental different understandings towards m+ it seems thank you for your opinion

[oblique garnet]

Warrior benefits from chainpulling so ideally you want to always stay in combat

[elfin surge]

do you guys change soulbinds to the weekly affix's ?

[sick sentinel]

okay, so its affix ghosts and relics and boss spawned adds don't hit for necrotic correct?

[lofty widget]

No to both of you

[sick sentinel]

those ghosts are suiciders too, they bleed out and die in either 12 or 13 seconds

so, if you have free reign to run around (dealer DOS) you can just kite them as group and they eventually go away on own, no threat

[elfin surge]

okay similar question - do you change trinkets then to the weekly affix ?

more defensive if necrotic ?

[undone verge]

depends

[hazy edge]

I use phial on tyr and opc on fort and that's about all I change.

[undone verge]

I used to run a cheat death trinket, which is pretty useless on necrotic since you get no healing from it and will simply die to the next melee

[lofty widget]

Necrotic is a non-affix these days, shouldnt change anything to work around it

Just take a few steps back when you have to reset

[sick sentinel]

on fort you can use any good AOE dmg or stat trinket even ST trinkets are fine, cuz there are problem mobs u have to delete before they become big problem

[lavish oracle]

Spiteful certainly does not inflate your damage

It depresses it

You run past them but are locked in combat

[lofty widget]

Spites Are more mobs, more mobs=more dmg

[sick sentinel]

spires is giga free

[lavish oracle]

You're not just wailing on spiteful unless you're an idiot or in the mists maze

[lofty widget]

No youre ideally on the next pack long before then

Being "locked in combat" isnt an argument since you wanna stay in combat anyway as necro

[lavish oracle]

Sure, but most dungeons have forced downtime anyways

[lofty widget]

No?

In those cases you hit spites

[lavish oracle]

ToP and DOS have such long runs between a lot of pulls

[lofty widget]

Which means more dps

[oblique garnet]

Forced downtime is minimal if you chain pull

[sick sentinel]

they are only a pain in ass if ppl don't know how to run away and or attack them

[sick sentinel]

its also alot less if you can get the bastards to spawn in the correct position or go to the correct position so everyone can then AOE them, and then that actually happends

[lavish oracle]

I'm not saying they're hard, I'm just saying they're going to make your overall damage look lower because they extend combat in situations you can't chain

[sick sentinel]

we can all agree its very satisfying to see group of like 8 of those ghosts pops up after kill non elite pack patrol and then take em out

[lavish oracle]

The mass slime pull in PF is hilarious for that

[sick sentinel]

fuck those tentacles in PF

if you aggro one at all GG

[oblique garnet]

Theres no way you have lower dps on spiteful unless youre doing something wrong

[sick sentinel]

starts nuking anyone it can from satelite orbit system, 2.9km away

[oblique garnet]

Spiteful is straight up extra 2k overall dps

[lavish oracle]

I see this as the exact opposite

No way

You're not hitting those shits

[oblique garnet]

In dungeons where you have bunch of packs where not everything is the same hp ofc you will hit them

[sick sentinel]

what your SUPPOSED to do about em is have like a mage or druid that does mass roots or frost nova and then snare the ghosts away, everyone focuses on the actual monsters anway

[oblique garnet]

You will cleave as tank always so you passively will hit spitefuls

Its the same with dps too

[lavish oracle]

There are fewer pulls with drastically different health pools this xpac in general and those that do, usually you're looking for a way to skip

Except in like wake and halls

[sick sentinel]

the guy on the bull in theatre of pain, start of the dungeon, he can be tricky, or that pack can be

[urban portal]

you just need to pad harder on the spitefuls

thats all

[oblique garnet]

Ardwnweald has bunch of them

[sick sentinel]

tricky pull to do correctly, can be

[oblique garnet]

Plaguefall has bunch of them

Mists the same

[lofty widget]

All dungeons have packs with different hp amounts

[oblique garnet]

^

[lofty widget]

So ofc youre gonna cleave on spites

[oblique garnet]

Well actually mista is probably closest hp out of all

[lavish oracle]

The tiernan are literally the only pull in mosts where mobs aren't dying close together

[lofty widget]

Even then you have prio targets

[oblique garnet]

But every pack has 2x higher hp and 2x lower casters

[echo egret]

Jailer : when exactly do you taunt during the tank combo ? I can only see one martyrdom cast, not 3 different spells

[lofty widget]

I just taunt when the big circle spawns

[lavish oracle]

But mists you have to pad on spites anyways

[lofty widget]

Not too imprtant i think

[lavish oracle]

To drop combat

[sick sentinel]

is that some of that bullshit where like, on queen aszhara it would apply tank stacks in what was it batches of 8, and you have to taunt at 24 or 32

i remember the way she applied stacks was weird, cuz you just instantly got that many after whatever the trigger is

i used to know, don't now

[cinder storm]

Per some leaks lock changes will be on S4, if we get enough pwars and band together, we can get whatever we want

[oblique garnet]

We dont need anything

[cinder storm]

Yet

[oblique garnet]

I mean as far as tanks go we are kinda broken

[cinder storm]

True

But we can be even more broken

Think about the possibilities

[pallid quiver]

See, he's gettin' it!

[cinder storm]

My only dream is to get that TC thing that either roots or group adds

[oblique garnet]

And then we get nerfed to the ground again

Also tc already slows

[cinder storm]

Fixed

[pallid quiver]

but hear me out:

since it's a new xpac with a bit larger changes than usual, what if we're gonna get nerfed to the ground anyway?

[lavish oracle]

Yeah, the set bonus slow on TC's kinda lit already

[lofty widget]

[oblique garnet]

Huh what

[lofty widget]

Dont out burst tc for the slow pls

[oblique garnet]

Does the set bonus increase tc slow or

[lofty widget]

Yeh 100% bonus

[lavish oracle]

When I need a slow, I hit the button

[cinder storm]

No idea, hard to tell when you barely move

[oblique garnet]

TIL

[pallid quiver]

Isn't it supposed to be 200% increased effectiveness

[lofty widget]

It is

[strong forum]

@oblique garnet https://i.imgur.com/l05X1UV.png

[lofty widget]

But it isnt

[strong forum]

bonegrinder scuff

[lofty widget]

Thats a sad surv

[strong forum]

its like 240

[pallid quiver]

is that hunter not geared or had a he

[cinder storm]

You running seismic?

[strong forum]

ya was full meme run

[pallid quiver]

Okay was gonna say feels like 240

[lofty widget]

Gg tho, when do we get to see 17k?

[strong forum]

kyrian seismic bonegrinder

wonky af

[lavish oracle]

That sounds fun, except trying to find a button for ww

[oblique garnet]

I was worried for a second that id have to start playing again until i saw what your group is doing

[strong forum]

i mean my dmg wouldve been same

kyrian do be like that

if the packs die in 10sec its bis

[oblique garnet]

If your group had 2 non carry dpses your dps would not be the same

Even if you are kyrian

[strong forum]

literally would

[oblique garnet]

Prove it

[strong forum]

with kyrian your ideal dps window is like 10-15sec

and mists aligns perfect with spear CD cuz gates

so you have it for every pack

[oblique garnet]

Yeah but you wont get as much damage out when your group has hands

Vs when mobs live a little

[strong forum]

idk, ergas r1 parses were with 4dps1tank

where he did like 16k in hoa

[oblique garnet]

Ye its similiar but you also suffer a bit when there is competent dpses

[cinder storm]

Do that on a 22+

[oblique garnet]

Also @strong forum do bonegrinder with necro and seismic

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-14359850

[waxen orbit]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-gif-25117042

[toxic pewter]

I only whirlwind and I refuse to thunderclap.

[blazing condor]

”i dont want to use thunderclap, the sound scares me”

[toxic pewter]

Yes

That me

[waxen orbit]

My name actually comes from the sound Shield Slam makes

[toxic pewter]

[elfin surge]

okay so if you go bonegrinder kyrian do you also use signet to trigger it ?

[strong forum]

no

seismic is much more dmg than signet

like infinitely more dmg

[elfin surge]

like

[strong forum]

mikanikos

not pelagos

and you go double potency + haste

[sick sentinel]

setting weakaura to go off at 25 stacks instead of 30 seemed to help

have 15 for tomorrow IG

[hollow sun]

it changes nothing tbh

[sick sentinel]

i saw the rogue applying numbing poison, so i asked him to switch to crippling instead, zero problems with necro

[pallid finch]

I know Necro week is almost over, but at about what m+ level do you guys worry about having 30 stacks?

[jagged pier]

40-50

ive been at 70 this week fine

[hazy edge]

^

[strong forum]

40-50 ye

[lofty widget]

Depends on the pull really

But necro doesnt get more dangerous with key level

[shut summit]

went to 99 on a +29 just to do it

dorf dorf

[strong forum]

sounds like plaguefall slimes

[autumn pendant]

[sweet summit]

problem?

[strong forum]

no it was to prove a point

i got 2x r1 on mists 16 now tho

[sweet summit]

ty man

u too

[oblique garnet]

Havent played in over a week

[sick sentinel]

Depends on the packs tbh, Sometimes I go up to 50

if combat drops the stacks drop

so, if they die, your safe TM

Imagine if spiteful targeted tanks

[strong forum]

is fine, doesnt hurt us

would prefer if it attacked tank instead of melee dps

cuz theyre just free pad

[oblique garnet]

Either way only bad people tank spitefuls

[strong forum]

i tanked 3 spitefuls 1hr ago

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdHAykD0G1E

spiteful in a nutshell

[strong forum]

cuz healer + 2 boosted dps died to them

but was only 16 so they only hit for like 1k

[oblique garnet]

You can block their melee anyways

[strong forum]

exactly

[sick sentinel]

if they ever re-work spiteful would love to see it like the video

where they move faster and can phase through objects

the spiteful is only scary because it doesn't chase fast

too much like pride

i didn't like reaping that much

thats the part i don't like

it can happen whenever tthe fuck or to early or too late

and then GG

yeah, and then something fucks up

[cinder storm]

Only issue with reaping was one of the casters staying far from the grp, then Blizz fixed that, they used to fix m+ a lot faster back them

I remember the sand duster pack in Seth with the void affix and the extra pack

That lasted like 3 hours

[sick sentinel]

Out of all the affixs, Awakened has been my most favorite

Gave tanks a lot more control over dungeons

Busted

[drifting juniper]

guys

i've seen people in high keys run adaptive armor fragment

should i do that instead of show of force in keys around 15 to 22

[pallid finch]

which sims better offensively?

[dawn canyon]

Well you have 3 potency

Banner Fragment and either clap or aj

[lofty widget]

you should run ashen/sof, aaf and banner

as your potency

[drifting juniper]

i run banner and ashen juggernaut as my first and second

[lofty widget]

then aaf should be your third

[drifting juniper]

ok thx

[iron skiff]

272 Thoughtcage vs 239 RDM vs 239 scale vs 252 pocket protoforge. Is thought cage that bad for us that any of those other ones would take priority?

[median tulip]

TBH that's a list full of "meh"

[iron skiff]

yep. terrible luck with trinkets. Havent seen a scale drop since Season 1

[blazing condor]

rdm and scale are good trinkets but theyre pretty low ilvl

[median tulip]

So'Leah's Secret Technique, Anima Field Emitter, Phial of Putrefaction, Blood-Spattered Scale

Those are basically the best trinkets. OWS and Shard are good too but the chances of you getting them this season are pretty rough

Oh and faulty countermeasures when Legion TW rolls around again

[winter marten]

what about codex?

[median tulip]

It's worse for us than for any other tank

[median tulip]

To be slightly more detailed; the way codex works is to reflect damage taken, which (because we mitigate more than any other tanks) means that the effect is weak for us. In addition is has the disadvantage of being one of the few tank trinkets that doesn't give Primary Stat (Strength); it gives Stamina instead

[winter marten]

hmm i see

it should help in really high keys or in magic damage income tho?

[median tulip]

125 Strength is a tough ask to sacrifice

[median tulip]

AFAIK the only place its advantages outweigh its disadvantages is on Mythic Rygelon

[tardy lantern]

i think its a waste and even in high keys there a better trinkets. i know ppl in high keys are using it, but i dont think even then its worth it.

[winter marten]

thanks for the help

i main veng dh and i was thinking about rolling a prot warr for s4

so seeing codex not mentioned as a tank was a bit od

odd*

[median tulip]

Welcome to Hard Mode

[winter marten]

isnt hard mode the fun mode tho

plus i get to be a hm tauren instead of belf

[median tulip]

DH takes more damage, and heals it; Prot Warrior mitigates the damage, so never takes it. That's the difference with regards to that trinket

and indeed the class as a whole

[winter marten]

i can charge with antlers now which is 95% of the fun too

yeah as veng u basically mitigate no dmg, sucks in a lot of moments when u have to kite like theres no tomorrow

[median tulip]

There are some pulls as Prot where you take basically no damage

[winter marten]

would i have to perma kite the dogs in soa?

[median tulip]

Dogs in spires?

Do you mean HoA?

[winter marten]

yes, the invisible ones

idk their names in english

[tardy lantern]

cats

not dogs 😄

[winter marten]

wait they are cats¿?

[median tulip]

Oh, the larions? Nah, heroic leap into one pack, throw Ravager at the other GG HF

[tardy lantern]

you can block their attacks and if you fully absorb/block, you won't even get the debuff. its pretty chill to tank them as warrior

[median tulip]

They do a debuff?

[tardy lantern]

a bleed

[median tulip]

TIL

[winter marten]

then im in for prot warrior

i hate having to kite larions

[median tulip]

I just facetank those things

[tardy lantern]

hardest part is getting them out of stealth w/o getting stunned. then you are good to go

[winter marten]

i saw tattman ravaging and hl into the other pack

[median tulip]

For Warrior you just gotta know where they are for Heroic Leap and Ravager. Get that bit down and you're GTG

[tardy lantern]

they are patrolling. sometimes you get unlucky and miss them. but thats also what im doing. works most of the time

[median tulip]

The other option is a hunter with Barrage misdirects onto you and then sprays the whole room on full-auto. That works fine too xD

[tardy lantern]

but most of the time you have ppl in the team that can help (hunter with flare or priest mass dispel for example)

[winter marten]

positioning shouldnt be problem with those

as veng i just sigil of flames onto infernal strike

so its basicaly the same

[sick sentinel]

Marileth is our default soulbind which has ultimate form making you immune to CC and for 2 seconds after fully completing fleshcraft

use that

[hybrid cloak]

do yall play kyrian to drop stacks of necrotics, im so used to blood and just popping drw and doing nothing

[shut summit]

dwarf

[hybrid cloak]

you gave up the tauren sense?

[shut summit]

stoneform too strong

[sick sentinel]

leap, weslaura to remind group

[hybrid cloak]

very sadge

[sick sentinel]

frost mage

[hybrid cloak]

prot war hard

[sick sentinel]

only reason i'd give up cow for m+ is cuz like bosses for 1 and if trash is max stun DR'd

360 no-scope area stun... very handy against trash especially like casters groups

has extra value for me now that i can't really take storm bolt

[narrow fog]

That may be true, but...

The fog is coming. 👀

[narrow fog]

https://c.tenor.com/YhqhERX_NNEAAAAM/mountain-king-warcraft3.gif

[sick sentinel]

maybe its not fog... but smoke..... smopke from dragon fire!!

[winter marten]

is dark iron dwarf as good as normal dwarf?

[cobalt seal]

Its better

Dwarf looks Ugly as fuck

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLp8SISp4nM

[dawn canyon]

[sick sentinel]

played wow since 199x whatever, never play elf willingly

[dawn canyon]

other than the urh mom joke

all ur material is mid

[sick sentinel]

moments of brilliance

[dawn canyon]

truly the biggest W in the channels history

[narrow fog]

Me whenever something terrible happens to elves in lore.

[hollow sun]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bERUCRJSzTk

get rekt dwarves

[sick sentinel]

im just chilling here and the place is bussin

[toxic pewter]

Season 4 we will still have tier sets, right?

[hazy edge]

Ye

[onyx vessel]

[toxic pewter]

Ok that’s what I thought just making sure

[onyx vessel]

New tier

[dusty jetty]

can someone explain to me how haste increases shield block uptime?

[onyx vessel]

Lowers cd of shield and lowere gcd

[sick sentinel]

I see a warlock in almost every key I do

Warlocks popping rn?

[onyx vessel]

Yes

[sick sentinel]

word

Healthstones are nice

[vernal vale]

I found a UI that I used in wrath

I cringed

No idea how I tanked with that UI

[shut summit]

https://i.imgur.com/sbr9qlQ.jpg

[vernal vale]

Ha, that's what my UI should have been

[mighty valley]

Not that it's great but compared to most WOTLK UIs you see in old videos it's really not that bad haha

They're all just disgusting low res bad aspect ratio nightmares

[vernal vale]

Fair enough I still had a square aspect ratio monitor

[dusty jetty]

does it say somewhere in the game? when i hover over haste it just says attack speed and spell casting speed, nothing about cd

[urban portal]

Because some spells are hasted and some aren’t

You just have to know

Shield block cd is reduced by haste yes

[dusty jetty]

ok thank you

[verbal hill]

Anyone have good uses for kul Tiran haymaker in keys?

[narrow fog]

https://tenor.com/view/hobbit-thor-thorin-creeping-creep-gif-19317546

[dusty jetty]

how does one play necrolord... do you fleshcraft as a defensive mid-fight? or fleshcraft before pull? when to use banner??

[strong forum]

Banner you want up as much as possible

Fleshcraft you can use between packs or as an emergency defensive mid combat

Goal is to have 100% banner uptime in combat

[dry spear]

to archive 100% do u spam revenge and ignore pain? i have no problem in execute phase to keep it up 100% but i stuggle on a boss dummy and that shouldnt be a problem.

[strong forum]

Absolutely spam revenge and IP yes

And on dummy you'll also need to use TC pretty much on CD aswell

And charge weave as much as you can

That way you should be able to keep up Banner even on dummy indefinitely

[onyx vessel]

Nomeratur cant keep banner up when he dies to 3 mobs

[dry spear]

thanks. i try it

[strong forum]

Factual

[onyx vessel]

Had one of those in a 15 i did died to like 3 mobs

They got mad at me

Sorry im not a better tank boys

Pull 2 seconds before was like 3 packs but

[strong forum]

Healer had to pretend to do smth, what can you do

[hollow sun]

Heroic strike

And 1m cd on heroic throw

[dusty jetty]

thanks a lot

i assume banner cd starts as soon as you use it

[strong forum]

Ye

[verbal hill]

How strong is flashcraft compared to shield wall?

[dawn canyon]

shieldwall will make u live shit while u can do stuff

FC does let u block n stuff but "roots" you and "stuns" you

[empty path]

20% DR for 3 sec vs 40% DR for 8sec

[lofty widget]

50 even

[strong forum]

FC stops you in generating rage, is only 20% albeit a small heal and absorb ontop of it

It's last choice in terms of a defensive you pick

[plain solstice]

Maybe a dumb question or that has been answered 100 times already. Is there a macro to intervene closest friendly targets without mousover or putting the name in the macro (for pugs) ?

[cobalt seal]

Closest target isnt always the best target

Especially on pugs

[sick sentinel]

I just could never imagine hitting target dummies at lvl 60 unironically for more than 5 minutes on randomly spawned turnip

always prefer just try and see if we can

[strong forum]

No, there's no such thing as automatically target closest friendly player

[dawn canyon]

I need to get the turnip

[strong forum]

There's a keybind for it in the default keybind settings

But idk how to put it into macro, nor should u use it

[brittle owl]

target dummy is prob the best way to learn a rotation

whack it for as long as it takes you to get into a +/-5% band of your sims

then you're g2g

[sick sentinel]

it's just boring to me and rather go do real Content instead

[dawn canyon]

I really like doing dummy

The orgrimmar one fucking sucks

[strong forum]

Dummy is the best thing you can do to practice your spec

[dawn canyon]

Charge and Land below the pedastol

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virgin impatient player vs chad grind and shine warlord

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hey now... I may be a virgin and impatient..... what was that last thing you said about me?

old Simpsons joke

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player

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you need to fly to east more there are some better dummys

no more dummies

already enough in keys

[dawn canyon]

I like the wall ones man

Good spot

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dks that floor pov to nothing

[dawn canyon]

Dont like the one ofnbuilding or the ring

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english please

[dawn canyon]

Fixed

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people that pull too ,uch shit for our avrg person ilvl 265 key

[dawn canyon]

265 is enough ilvl for a 15

Our dudu tanked a 15 at 238

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I think he means to the northeast and there's a bunch on a spiked wall

still centre of map

[dawn canyon]

There's 3 sets

The wall

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nah there is a sorta round building

[dawn canyon]

The building with the trainers

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inside there are several dummies

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And the round thing with Spikes

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thats the BiS spot

[dawn canyon]

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I only know the wall dum,it's cuz you have to fly over it alot

[dawn canyon]

You wanna be the bear or what

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the rest.... no fucking clue

[dawn canyon]

Now you know

Owned

Or rather not

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gg you wanna do rat keys? I got a 236 2h weapon. I wanna do rat ret keys

[dawn canyon]

This is why i didnt finish the 500