protection

[hollow sun]

You can also reflect and deflect several boss abilities, like piecing barb (hakkar), manastorm frostbolts, the dot from the 3rd boss of SD, charged stomp, soulcrusher, reaping scythe etc

[topaz field]

there is no squishy tank at all currently in the game

and prot is for sure the best for physical incoming dmg if there wasnt a completely broken tier set for dk

[hollow sun]

Did they changed the reflect mechanic on the broker in Dos? Before you took no damage if reflected the explosion, now it seems like not working anymore

[jagged pier]

u probs took lightening before

[lofty widget]

if the lightning bounces to you before the explosion the reflect gets eaten

[hollow sun]

Makes sense

[topaz field]

do u mean the deathwalker?

the bleed?

[lofty widget]

dealer boss in arden

[topaz field]

oh i see

ofc u can still reflect

[woeful bramble]

i was thinking starting a second warrior char and make him prot! my main is fury but i dunno if it is worth or just do it on my main :p

[topaz field]

its always worth to play prot warrior

[lofty widget]

why not just use your existing warrior?

[woeful bramble]

im just asking so i can learn from start all the spells and see how i progress :p i know it sounds dumb

[hollow sun]

Yeah, just change spec to prot

You won't learn anything while levelling

[solemn elk]

I mean, you can always start another warrior and learn prot from the start...

[lofty widget]

welll lvl-prot is not the same as 60-prot

[solemn elk]

but how can we help you on that decision?

[lofty widget]

i'd just swap specs and go hit a dummy for a few hours

check out the IV guide if you need the basics

[topaz field]

well if u have gear on your already existing warrior its kinda troll to make a new one 😄

[hollow sun]

Or swap specs, read a guide and go to a heroic dungeon or something

[solemn elk]

no, I know what he means

[woeful bramble]

just to tell me your opinion 🙂 no worries 🙂

[solemn elk]

he wants to learn prot warrior and not just get overwhelmed by 500 spells that he has no knowledge about

[woeful bramble]

yeah

[solemn elk]

I guess that's what he means

[woeful bramble]

exactly

[topaz field]

well u dont learn it by leveling

[solemn elk]

so just start a new warrior and learn it

[feral jewel]

Idk if it’s frowned upon in here or not but I’m a brand new prot warrior and I feel Hekili is helping me learn the basics

[solemn elk]

but like

[topaz field]

i was so pissed when i created my warrior and went into a freehold i had 1 or 2 buttons to press

this is just dumb

[solemn elk]

thing is, we can't tell you what to do

[woeful bramble]

also "muscle" memory helps a lot! i dunno how to explain that!

[solemn elk]

if you wanna do that, do that, if not, just read a guide and go do mythic 0s or something

[woeful bramble]

i mean at fury i log in even after some time and i know exaclty where every key is and everything

indeed

i could do that too

[hollow sun]

The time it takes you to level a new warrior is much higher than the time required to learn the spells of protection

[woeful bramble]

go some 0s and try it there too

[lofty widget]

dont recommend, an addon cant know when to use SB, when to reflect, wall etc

[hollow sun]

And then you would need to do zerit morthis again

[solemn elk]

it's just confusing cus we can't really tell you what to do

it's like coming on discord and asking if you should make chicken or fish for dinner

[woeful bramble]

yeah i have done it already 3 times...

[solemn elk]

https://tenor.com/view/reaction-confused-kid-girl-funny-gif-3568225

[woeful bramble]

i know stoll it is a bit confusing but i udnerstand all of u

[lofty widget]

just follow SS>revenge>IP (IP only for if you overcap on rage), SB when you take blockable dmg. everything else is situational

[feral jewel]

Ya Hekili wants you to have SB up close to 100% of the time but I’ve noticed it’ll only say to use IP when about to cap on rage

[solemn elk]

just start a new warrior really, don't need to get to 60 on it anyways

that if you have the time, if not, just do whatever

it's not difficult to learn it tbf, just click AM and click the highlighted buttons

[lofty widget]

better to just get used to the rotation (it's not very hard once you boil it down to SS, revenge and IP), and learning in which situations to use the rest of your kit

[woeful bramble]

ok ty for your opinion and the opinions of the other guys too! i just want to learn protection too as i like it and i think at s4 it is gonna shine again

[grave crane]

Prot is pretty simple. When you are getting hit you want to have shield block up. Biggest priority. You want tk shield slam on cooldown. Revenge on cooldown. Charge /intervene for SB charges. Pretty much on CD. Thunderclap is odd but do it as long as it won’t use an Outburst. Avatar on CD. Demo shout. You guessed it on CD. Ip to not cap on rage

[woeful bramble]

and i guess shield slam when i have outburst on st and clap on aoe?

[lofty widget]

always ST

always SS*

it's more dps since we get 2 revenges worth of rage and it feeds into AM, indom and tier

[woeful bramble]

ok got it

[night oracle]

is tattman playing this week ?

havent seen him stream for a week

[grave crane]

didnt asa do the math and its actually a dps gain to Outburst on TC occasioanally?

[drifting fable]

aoe maybe but id be genuinely surprised if that were the case for ST

[wild hemlock]

yes

not all the time

but i remember that aslso

[jagged pier]

its about 1:4 TC to SS

[drifting fable]

even ST?

[jagged pier]

no in m+

[drifting fable]

that makes sense.

[grave crane]

so really im being optimal when i blunder it and throw and outburst on TC

[drifting fable]

true

[vernal vale]

Its more that the pace of things you are bound to have situations where you hit it because you get outburst right as your clicking TC or you have nothing else to press and its better to press TC than sit around pressing nothing

[grave crane]

yeah im just memeing cause we like to Oubturst on SS and throwing one on SS doesnt really feel great. but in m+ one in 4 on TC isnt bad as long as you have mobs

[wild hemlock]

first pull NW i love using it on TC lol

[modern brook]

As someone who plays this game

Is tc slow tripled ? Or did they removebthat

[lofty widget]

outburst on tc is only 100% bonus for some reason

and if you run CT it's added after outburst, so max slow is 50 %

[strong forum]

^

Not like you'd ever notice the TC slow anyway

[echo egret]

Has anyone tested M+ dungeons on the PTR ?

[onyx vessel]

PTR

[echo egret]

well I want to, but I can't seem to obtain a key

[cobalt seal]

you don't need a key to ptr

[echo egret]

how do you select a difficulty then ?

[cobalt seal]

what difficulty?

[strong forum]

You can buy keys on ptr

[echo egret]

M+ difficulty

[echo egret]

ah, ,where

[cobalt seal]

in oribos

[strong forum]

The same vendor you buy the affixes from

[echo egret]

yeah I just couldn't find him at all

[strong forum]

He's around the Ring somewhere

[topaz field]

i understand that oribos is a horrbile town

[cobalt seal]

NOT THIS AGAIN

[strong forum]

On a pedestal usually

[echo egret]

and when I set "mythic" difficulty and enter Grimrail, I'm in an old instance where I insta-kill everything, no pedestal to put the key in

[topaz field]

haha

i stop 🙂

[cobalt seal]

(also testing the dungeons wont do shit)

[urban portal]

why is it always this time of the day

[pallid finch]

So, I’ve been underestimating SB. We want to pretty much a close to 100% uptime on it because it affects Shield Slam?

[echo egret]

at least, just running through it I can see that sanguine or spiteful are absolute no-go on this dungeon

[cobalt seal]

I dont need to run

[urban portal]

you just wanna block hits

[cobalt seal]

to know they are

[urban portal]

the actual DPS increase doesnt matter nearly as much

[modern brook]

The damage increase is a nice to have when you pop block while off tanking to prevent from capping charges

[urban portal]

just dont die beceause you spent all your charges doing damage

[topaz field]

btw does aegis also work after blocked hit?

like it does on brewmaster?

[urban portal]

i think so

but it only gets reduced once

for brew it gets reduced twice

[topaz field]

oh

[echo egret]

Doesn't seem to be there on current PTR - unless I'm blind

[lofty widget]

initial hit and stagger?

[urban portal]

yuea

[topaz field]

yes

[urban portal]

its really OP

[topaz field]

its omega broken

[lofty widget]

luckily we dont need bugs to be OP

[topaz field]

on 26 key i had 600k healing on a single pull

i think it is intended

on brewmaster

[lofty widget]

just a happy accident probably

since you get hit, aegis reduces it, then that hit gets added to stagger, which aegis also reduces?

[topaz field]

well it also works with necrotic stacks

[urban portal]

yes

its absurd

so you reduce it twice

[strong forum]

Aegis is an 8sec immunity

[cobalt seal]

prob blind

because already did keys in ptr

and vendor was always in oribos

[echo egret]

I'll be happy to humbly take your coordinates...

It's not where Wowhead shows him, at least

[topaz field]

i mean even tho i dont like oribos 😄 its not that big

[cobalt seal]

I dont have PTR

you can prob use general chat

in ptr

to ask

[echo egret]

yeah I did and no one answered

well /who returns only me, no wonder haha

[cobalt seal]

if it's the usual place

it's a vendor close to middle

with affixes and such

[echo egret]

yep that's what wowhead says, and it's not there atm

[cobalt seal]

Maybe they removed keys

On testing

Check lfg

To see if there is keys

[echo egret]

no there's none

[cobalt seal]

Prob they removed keys testing

[echo egret]

and as I said, entering grimrail on mythic difficulty didn't give me a scaled instance with a pedestal

so I guess they removed testing keys

[hazy edge]

He’s usually right across from the flight master upstairs.

[wild hemlock]

i thought that was downstairs!?

[drifting fable]

i thought that for a while too but it is actually upstairs lol

[toxic pewter]

sup gang

anything new

[cobalt seal]

Blizzard removing haste from game

[topaz field]

and dwarf+nelf racial will be removed

with next reset

[sick sentinel]

im for that, remove stats from gearing

you just get..... more power.... but you got sets and effects and such

[strong forum]

https://tenor.com/view/uhm-eeh-what-should-i-do-now-what-was-that-uhm-ok-gif-16539046

[wild hemlock]

im probs gonna get banned today 😦

i was feeling the warrior tree yesterday. but i have doubts for today

[strong forum]

I don't think we'll get to see trees until alpha/beta tbh

Was a 1 off thing showing those 2 trees I feel like

[topaz field]

wasnt apb leaking it today?

[toxic pewter]

Wat ur guys deal

i just said good morning and getting trolled immediately

[wild hemlock]

ive been "falsely predicting" the talent trees for like 3 weeks now lol

[jagged pier]

[spiral warren]

You where too hastey in your good morning

[toxic pewter]

You all are very rude individuals

Mock me for some of my unpopular takes, that is fine, history will prove me right in time

[chilly brook]

I can’t believe they’re going to remove haste guys

[urban portal]

Ngl

Would love it if they remove vers

[hazy edge]

Remove vers make mastery actually good for every spec

Best thing they can do

[urban portal]

Can’t make mastery good on survival

Ever

Unless they make bombs cost 1 focus

[hazy edge]

I mean surv just needs a mastery rework

Lots of specs do

vdh is another example

[urban portal]

Havoc too

If we globally rework mastery we can remove vers

[hazy edge]

Yup

[urban portal]

The only question is if PvP will be affected

[hazy edge]

Let healers get spell power from mastery just like tanks get ap

[urban portal]

I think it affects healers a lot tho

But yeah could do that

Vers is like every healers 2nd stat

[hazy edge]

Yup

And that’s solely for the dr and damage

Most healers actually have very good masteries, but they do nothing for their damage so adding a small amount of spell power to their mastery would be super good for them

[toxic pewter]

sup gang wat every1 doin

[spiral warren]

Stacking haste before they remove it

Sorry lol I’m just bugging you not trying to be rude haha

[echo egret]

Nope, nothing.

[toxic pewter]

[spiral warren]

❤️❤️

[sick sentinel]

then caster dps cry that they can't keep up with healer

[fallow osprey]

i've literally left the seat of the primus and i'm still in combat with the target dummy

[gentle peak]

Is there an addon or something that will show the radius of revenge?

[lofty widget]

it's melee range. if you can hit mobs with SS you will hit them with revenge

and it's a 180 degree arc in front of your character

[gentle peak]

Oh sweet, didn't know it was 180, tyty

[sick sentinel]

im thinkin about sending my warrior to storm rage or sargareas now that its on sale and i got free faction change

i wonder if it added more alliance players or just created more horde players

server im on its huge and good AH prices, but its from west coast, constantly get in groups with people thousands of miles from me, they laggin i've seen a few times

[lofty widget]

doesnt matter anymore since cross play?

AH prices are usually large servers=lower prices

[cobalt seal]

Its not like you can check server prices

And whoever you play. You still play with everyone

[sick sentinel]

i miss the remove all debuffs button, but i would also miss 360 cow stomp

oh whats that i didnt reflected the curse the add just put on me? remove it and get buff for it

[cobalt seal]

Play whatever Race you want

[sick sentinel]

Race and class, 2 most pivotal choices in wow

[spiral warren]

Race is quite minimal

[cobalt seal]

None of them have to do with pwar discord

[cobalt seal]

Wrong

Race matters

[spiral warren]

Debatable lol

[cobalt seal]

Not gonna play something that looks Ugly as fuck

[spiral warren]

Lol okay that’s fair

But I was talking about pure gameplay wise race is quite a minimal choice unless you’re doing content where you absolutely need everything to be min maxed

[sick sentinel]

fix the tauren skeleton and give us normal humaniod options for boots and stuff and sure, i'll play horde forever

hate the toes stickin out is biggest offeneder

[cobalt seal]

I know that

[sick sentinel]

if you main a certain race like, gnome or nightelf, you can't go druid as gnome then too

[lofty widget]

Wont have to worry about that as warrior

[sick sentinel]

if i go back alliance, i will have mechagnome monk, this is yogi way.

[timber nest]

Whats the latest ignore pain WA?

[dawn canyon]

why would u need one

[cobalt seal]

Mousewheel

[covert nova]

Used my boost on a warrior. Setting up for tanking some heroics to get a feel for it. Do many people take devastator in row 1 because so many GCDs are used on other skills?

[sick sentinel]

down up or press

i always had execute on down, trinket on up, ??? on middle (was Kpotion for longest time)

[dawn canyon]

the other options arent even close in performance

[covert nova]

Ok I need more haste to make it feel better I think

[dawn canyon]

what % do u have?

[lofty widget]

anything above 25 % ish should be fine, but yea more haste makes it feel better

[covert nova]

15 but in basic ass gear

[lofty widget]

[dawn canyon]

get a 262 crafted piece of jewellery with heavy haste and a socket

those are huge

[covert nova]

Ok cool, thank you

[cobalt seal]

Get ilvl

Your stats dont matter rn

[molten rivet]

is their any spells i shouldnt bind? like do you use execute in your rotation or ?

[dawn canyon]

execute is insane for prot

unbind slam

[molten rivet]

really o_O?

shield slam ?

[lofty widget]

hamstring, whirlwind

[dawn canyon]

no like slam slam

the arms spell

[toxic pewter]

Slam becomes revenge

[molten rivet]

so i dont need a bind for WW and hamstring ?

[toxic pewter]

So won’t be able to find slam in spell book

[dawn canyon]

hamstring yesnt

ww no

[toxic pewter]

I have hamstring bound myself

[lofty widget]

i havent used hamstring since s1 tbh

waste of a gcd and 10 rage

[toxic pewter]

But yeah revenge better than ww

May need a slow one day

[lofty widget]

TC

[toxic pewter]

I mean yeah most of us hardly ever use hamstring but it can be useful in rare circumstances

[dawn canyon]

only thing thats slow is me mentally

[toxic pewter]

[toxic pewter]

Welcome to prot warrior. If you have any questions, definitely let us know. We are more than happy to help you.

Also check the pins before you ask a question that is no no

[strong forum]

you and me both brother

[dawn canyon]

🐵 🤝 🐒

[blazing condor]

Apes together strong

[toxic pewter]

[fallow osprey]

er, is it possible to log your combat dummy time? my addon starts logging in instanced content but not sure how to do it in open world

[lofty widget]

/combatlog

and /combatlog when youre done logging

[fallow osprey]

oh! thanks man

[modern brook]

You would want to end the logging each pull to keep it organized in your log folder

[fallow osprey]

will do

[sick sentinel]

yeah, not because necrotic or nothin, but im 99% sure im gunna put few main toons to some high pop ally server

so, dwarf and goat men and such, maybe human

[distant crystal]

the raider.io app will rotate/archive logs for you automatically

[fallow osprey]

are you talking about the client on from their website or something else?

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/c9QP84H.png

thanks weekly quest

[sage yacht]

yyg

youre welcome

[dawn canyon]

tilt

[toxic pewter]

What quest

[drifting fable]

4 mythics brah

[toxic pewter]

wow

that is a great drop grats

[sick sentinel]

what about MSQ and stuff like SL horde wise

covenant crap

[drifting fable]

MSQ????? what discord am i in again?

[sick sentinel]

well, i mean, same function lol, its at the very top of the banner and if you reload it sets that quest as your highlighted way point

[toxic pewter]

wat msq

[drifting fable]

yea you aint wrong tbf it really has gone towards that. But for the better of course. id rather know which bullshit i HAVE to do

[sick sentinel]

campaign, rather

blizzard calls it campaigns all the time

[drifting fable]

Main Story Quest, its used alot in FF14

[sick sentinel]

fast abbreviation, hold over effect from OSRS when you had to go to the bank, on that specfic trade world, with items you want to sell, and then spam out your message hope it gets seen, can imagine 400 ppl spamming txt hard to focus

[fallow osprey]

omfg....lol so i've been practicing on a training dummy to try and keep banner up. to add a little incentive i made it so that the john cena intro plays https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZIhpba83hY if i keep the buff up for 2 minutes and it is hilarious (warning: a bit loud)

[dawn canyon]

thats a good incentive

[fallow osprey]

it doesn't play that often so it doesn't get tiresome (since banner doesn't get reapplied too too much)

so ya, i've officially been able to keep banner up on a training dummy but idk how people do it while running an actual dungeon because i am super tunnel vision

[dawn canyon]

youll be more comfortable with it as time goes on

[hollow sun]

you might as well get stereo sayan

[fallow osprey]

hahaha ya i should

[fallow osprey]

the timing lines up real well actually lol

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ux5cQbO_ybw

clearly the superior

[cinder storm]

Urh helps, a lot. Realistically, you won't be able to keep your banner up on every pack for two mins, but if you manage to get it right on a boss, doing it with packs will come naturally, then it's a matter of when to use it again and when to hold it a bit

[fallow osprey]

forgot about urh good point, and ya now that i think about it there's definitely some parts of dungeons where i'd assume you can't keep banner up because of RP or travel

what classes like mastery btw? the enhancement shaman discord has a spreadsheet of specs that benefit most from windfury totem, does anyone know if something similar exists for pwarr and conq banner?

[chrome falcon]

It used to

It does for last patch

Not sure anyone updated it

[fallow osprey]

i guess i can always look at every wowhead class guide lmao

[eternal moth]

Hey, you guys know of a way to track casts-per-minute in-game? I just can't keep 100% uptime on the banner, I'm wondering what I'm doing wrong. I'm seeing some weird results on my warlock too, so I'm wondering if maybe my brain is just too slow nowadays

[prisma crane]

CPM isnt as useful as knowing if you're overcapping rage

[fallow osprey]

is checking warcraft logs not working for you?

[eternal moth]

ah, yeah, I can check WCL, but I was hoping for something I can play with on target dummies in town

WCL the numbers look low, but I'm not sure why

I'm not overcapping rage, but I'm probably hitting the buttons in the wrong order if I'm not just hitting them too slowly

[dawn canyon]

whats ur wcl cpm looking like

[chrome falcon]

press more shield slams

[eternal moth]

ah, let me check, I haven't done anything on this guy in a while..

[fallow osprey]

i'm working on banner uptime right now too. i found that i get a lot of increased duration from the last stand window, i'm usually at a duration of 20'ish seconds on banner by the time last stand ends

[eternal moth]

Man, maybe that's the problem, I'm trying to steer clear of relying on Last Stand, and if I do that, I'm usually running on fumes by the time I get to the end of the banner's cooldown

[chrome falcon]

Why are you trying not to rely on last stand?

Do you also try not to rely on avatar and shield block?

[eternal moth]

just so I could save it for a cooldown when I need it

haha, nah, I've been blasting those out on cooldown

[chrome falcon]

A healthstone is not as good as an extra 30 seconds on banner

Last stand is an absolutely fucking terrible defensive ability

Saving it as a defensive would be like saving incarn as a defensive as a bear

Slam that shit on CD during banner

[eternal moth]

OK, thanks dude, will do

[dawn canyon]

last stand is a dps cooldown

[chrome falcon]

^

[eternal moth]

Do you save anything, or just throw it all out when it comes up? I'm not sure if I have the same caliber of healers to rely on as you guys

I guess the flat 400 mastery is a pretty huge boost whenever it's up though..

[chrome falcon]

It’s not the mastery

[dawn canyon]

save anything as in shieldwall/last stand?

[chrome falcon]

It’s the 23% str and 4 rage per second

The only CD you save for scary moments is shield well

And demo shout if you’re not playing BV

Everything else you send it on CD

[eternal moth]

OK, that makes sense, I guess with shield wall/rallying cry that should be enough

[dawn canyon]

shield wall has a very low cd with AM

[chrome falcon]

Banner is an insane defensive boost

[dawn canyon]

and rally isnt really a defensive

[chrome falcon]

Str=armour

Rally is basically as good a defensive as last stand

(so terrible)

[eternal moth]

Man, that's interesting, good to know

[chrome falcon]

LS is just a healthstone

Worthless defensively pretty much

[dawn canyon]

rally is a dps warrior defensive

[chrome falcon]

You’d rather have 15 seconds of 23% str, 408 mastery, and 4 rage per second

[dawn canyon]

for pwar its a party buff/safer

[chrome falcon]

Than a healthstone, right

God last stand sucks so much

I hope unnerving focus is a talent

[cinder nova]

LADS QUICK

SOMEONE DM ME MAKING IT LOOK LIKE I'M GETTING POACHED FOR A CE GUILD IN DRAGONFLIGHT

I'm trying to razz my guild lead

[chrome falcon]

wow that’s a terrible idea

I like it

[dawn canyon]

do you wanna or may i?

[chrome falcon]

I probably should since I actually run a CE guild but I’m cooking

you go for it

I already burnt my potatoes by ranting about last stand

[dawn canyon]

im not even in a decent guild so .

lets go

[eternal moth]

lol, thanks again team, I just tried again with last stand, and it was hilariously easy to keep the buff up on a dummy for two minutes

[fallow osprey]

nice!

[chrome falcon]

good button

[dawn canyon]

@cinder novais this good?

[cinder nova]

Yeah, worked great.

[dawn canyon]

[grave crane]

Interested to see how your lead took that lol

[fickle arrow]

You all have some quick tips for prot warrior tanking in Spires at 20+? I keep getting slapped… I want to think I’m not getting helped with kicks. But maybe I’m missing something?

[dawn canyon]

Slap a log into #449510248579858432 or this channel and the yellows will be able to help

[fickle arrow]

I’ll keep the next log. I was just kinda seeing if there was some tips and tricks.

[dawn canyon]

Oh well you can shockwave the birds

And mass reflect them

If the casts are synced

[fickle arrow]

Oh snap! Well that’s something

[stray lichen]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/DXKgkYwtd4Bp1P7c/#fight=last

how is that one

[sick sentinel]

shield block 43%

need more than that

if you have SB (shield block) active, your SS (shield slam) hits for more dmg, SS is the primary button you hit above anything else

it also keeps you alive

[dawn canyon]

this is very low

this is also very low

[sick sentinel]

yes, the SB is bad, he can improve

[cobalt seal]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-the-irony-derek-muller-veritasium-thats-sarcastic-thats-ironic-gif-20150033

[dawn canyon]

this will go up with comfortability/better cpm

[sick sentinel]

im gunna finish that 2litre mountain dew mog in your honor

[dawn canyon]

also fix ur condiuts

[stray lichen]

oh yeah forgot to switch those back oops

[dawn canyon]

2 reflects over the entire dungeon is also very low

[sick sentinel]

yes, download reflect weak aura in the pins

[dawn canyon]

or just toss it out

and the 20% dr is okay

[stray lichen]

im not sure what i can actually reflect and what I cant so dont know when to actually use it

[sick sentinel]

resize if if you have to, i made mine triple the size for boomer vision

[dawn canyon]

theres a spreadsheet of all the reflectable stuff in the pins

[sick sentinel]

u get refelect back during urh

so, send it whenever WA says to on CD

generally speaking if its a large amount of magic damage (usually a bolt on some nobody trash, but can take form of curses, or special boss ability tank killrs like reaping scythe final of TOP) it can be reflected

[stray lichen]

ok

[sick sentinel]

you can also use it as a 20% magic DR, say you have to stand in green goop cloud becuase X reason

DR (Damage Reduction)

[stray lichen]

ahh ok

[sick sentinel]

https://youtu.be/Wx7QEEx-R7M?t=742 how spell reflect works

[dawn canyon]

[jolly swift]

Surprised they ignored warrior with the tank focus lol

[dawn canyon]

Well

Do we really need a buff?

[sick sentinel]

yeah, same problem with a few other specs

whole bunch of XYZ generators (this is super important to your class and has its own ui element.... only 1 real damage spender for those points you build)

[dawn canyon]

Huh

[sick sentinel]

not supposed to take damage as tank sure, but feels bad spend rage on IP, SB not so much, gives damage and is our core identity

[dawn canyon]

We have 4 spenders

Sb IP exe rev

Ignoring hamstring

[sick sentinel]

yeah, thats our dump, IP, and does no dmg, yet our job is to not take dmg or reduce as much as possible...

[dawn canyon]

Ye cuz it's a defensive spell

For a tank

[sick sentinel]

prot warrior is in such a good place they do it right and you don't even know they are doing it right

oh, tank pulled a whole bunch of crap and his HP didn't go down at all, wonder why that is, oh well, that was easy and fast

[patent osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/matrix-dodge-neo-gif-13288848

Prot warrior dodging all the buffs

[cinder storm]

Or, they forgot we exist

I know we are in a good place but goddamit, I love when we get some love

[sick sentinel]

they cant buff us, we would be too good

lots of very good ideas and brave attempts in sl, fixed lots of the dumb crap, still tons of horrible trinkets for us, torghast idea is extremely fun but still flawed even with fixes, the covenants was bad on launch, almost there now

fuck the maw, I never going back to it again

[toxic pewter]

Blizzard working on complete rework for prot. Don’t worry we getting a lot of love in Dragonflight

[pallid finch]

so, with so many defensive cds and lack of overall dps, would equipping two offensive trinkets be a play or do we still want at least 1 on-use def. trinket?

[dawn canyon]

If you need the defensive one to live you use it

If you dont you dont

[pallid finch]

makes sense. so, is Sack and Decanter really good Aoe trinkets? i see Decanter listed as "A-" tier in wowhead?

[dawn canyon]

I am not 100% up to date trinket wise but decanter isnt too great

Phial is nice tho

[mighty egret]

[toxic pewter]

[onyx vessel]

Rework is kinda needed on prot war

But thats a big

[toxic pewter]

It’s true though

[pallid finch]

is there like a Haste threshold? as in, if you're over 30%, you're better off increasing another stat

[cinder storm]

40 is the sweet spot

[pallid finch]

alrighty. 40 it is!

[cinder storm]

But ilvl comes first, then shield, then something else I forgot, then stats

Lock discord is a salt of tears

[onyx vessel]

They losing tier soon

[toxic pewter]

Good

[lunar merlin]

how do people keep uptime on banner like damn

[onyx vessel]

I use spear

[jagged pier]

We top dps tank

[jagged pier]

We Press buttons

[fallow osprey]

When banner falls of, cuz you had to mount up somewhere or RP or you just make a mistake, do you wait for stuff like last stand and ravager and avatar to be ready before you cast banner again?

[jagged pier]

No

Well i dont

[fallow osprey]

And you can still keep it up (so to speak) without them?

Or at least until they are ready again I guess

[jagged pier]

If u play correctly yes

[fallow osprey]

Ok cool I’ll keep working on it then

[lunar merlin]

spear is so much easier

[onyx vessel]

Spear is easier but banner is

[fallow osprey]

I think banner is super fun because the offense into defense feedback loop is thematic and feels warrior-y

PlayStation store has some sales going on…should I get Borderlands 3 for $15 or the deluxe version of deep rock galactic for $23

[onyx vessel]

Bl3

[sick sentinel]

Been farming DOS forever and still can't get a 9.2 BSS, A fury warrior comes and loots for tank spec and gets it

[scenic mural]

you mean u didnt get it on your first DOS of the season?

[sick sentinel]

[jagged pier]

i mean its not somthing you should really hardcore farm imo

[median tulip]

TBH, at this point there isn't much left to farm; if there's a single item you don't have, that's probably the only thing you can target

[strong forum]

I'm running opc

[molten rivet]

what does raise banner do ? im just lvling my old prot war

[median tulip]

Do you mean the Necrolord covenant power? It grants 400 Mastery and 4 Rage/sec to us for its duration... which is extendable with the Necrolord legendary for indefinitely long time

[molten rivet]

not conquerors banner, but raise banner

something you can toggle on and off

just a gemic or ?

[median tulip]

I've no idea

[onyx matrix]

Are you talking about the toy itself?

Then yes you can

[lime urchin]

It’s shows you loyalty to the one and only true emperor, the Primus

[molten rivet]

so basicly nothing 😄

[lime urchin]

Hail Maldraxxus!

[molten rivet]

any specific places we use shattering throw if you wanna go m+ ?

[urban portal]

High keys necrotic wake

The shield guys and the final boss

[molten rivet]

it removes shield on last boss, poggers

[urban portal]

Well it doesn’t remove

Just does a fk ton of damage

[lime urchin]

Is it worth the cast time?

[hollow sun]

It makes you look cooler, that's it

I kinda wish they made a customizable banner to plant in the ground, kinda like different form of soulshapes

[hollow sun]

It's not an awfully long cast, so yeah it's worth

[molten rivet]

its a gcd but GB removes it

i think right ?

[urban portal]

Gb?

[urban portal]

It’s 2 globals max

That does like 50k damage

Hate to tell you but prot warrior doesn’t have 50k damage globals outside of crit executes

[lime urchin]

My shield is a slapper too!

Spikey shield

[dusty jetty]

hey guys, leveling up a prot warrior atm, wanting to go with the wall legendary, do we usually go for shoulder slot?

[meager quail]

Ideally you recraft your legendaries based on the ilvl of the gear you currently have and whether it’ll get in the way of 4pc.

Shoulder has higher stat budget than cloak so that would be the ideal slot, assuming it doesn’t break your 4pc and your best cloak isn’t garbage.

[topaz field]

u should go for reprisal in any content

[verbal hill]

In what slot?

[topaz field]

ehm it depends a little bit on where u craft you unity

u can either go boots or legs

[verbal hill]

Sound

[topaz field]

but u also wanna 4 set right

so if u build unity on helmet u have to go for boots but ye i dont know about your gear

[verbal hill]

My plan was boots since it will be ages til I can craft unity

Only hit lvl 60 today

[topaz field]

for stat optimum u kinda wanna craft one of your legos on head/chest/leg for the highest gain of strength

boots is a good slot

so u can decide later on where to craft unity depending on what tier slots u have

[verbal hill]

I see

[onyx vessel]

Helm chest leg

Shoulders give quite a bit less then those 3

Most people do unity in there helm slot

For pwar

[sweet summit]

have reprisal on boots

and you can have unity on belt for ages and be fine

[dusty jetty]

wait

the wall isnt good anymore?

[sweet summit]

no

well

[dusty jetty]

looks good when i read the description

[onyx vessel]

I do have 291 unity belt

[sweet summit]

it still does the same thing

[onyx vessel]

Its ok

[sweet summit]

but reprisal has been better since the rework in 9.0.5, and especially now with double legendary paired with glory (necrolord)

[jagged pier]

its still okay but hasnt been our best leggo since 9.0.5

[onyx vessel]

I do have a 291 the wall cloak

[dusty jetty]

smh icyveins and faqs are outdated

[onyx vessel]

For the hell of it

Blame @ionic fern

[jagged pier]

icyveins is not out of date from what i remeber faqs maybe

[onyx vessel]

The wall is a good legendary

[jagged pier]

not really

[onyx vessel]

Just reprisal is

Seismic tho

Jakey icyveins says the wall for raid

Reprisal for m+

[topaz field]

the wall is rlly bad compared to reprisal since double lego imo

[lofty widget]

the actual rage gen from wall is pretty even with reprisal

it's just that rep also gives SB and free revenges

[onyx vessel]

Its the rage gen to fund banner

[lime urchin]

And reprisal is just a lot of fun to play

[onyx vessel]

true

[sonic pagoda]

hey guys just a quick question which ik is probably found on a sticky somewhere:
What are the 2 stat missives to put on my reprisal and unity leggos

[lofty widget]

haste/vers

[sonic pagoda]

ty

[night oracle]

is there a macro letting u intervene nearest ally without losing ur target?

[hollow sun]

no

i have 4 keybinds for party members, but you don't need to go that far

make 4 macros or intervene on party 1.2.3.4

assign a keybind, see in what slot the melee people are. Place the macro in there

or use mouseover macros but i don't like them, clunky and require you to move the cursor

[dawn canyon]

Mouseovers are fine

[jagged pier]

wtooltip Charge
/cast Intervene [target=mouseover,help,exists,nodead]Intervene; Intervene
/cast Charge [target=target,harm,exists,nodead]Charge; Charge]

[ionic fern]

And that's correct for the majority of playerbase who will get more value out of the wall than reprisal due to failing to chargeweave properly.

[jagged pier]

true but just intervening makes it the same as the wall

but ppl dont do that

[dawn canyon]

But wall has the cooler name so id fall for that

[jagged pier]

🤔

[dawn canyon]

(this stuff is why i prefer yellows to review logs)

[strong forum]

We're all just human

[jagged pier]

☝️

[strong forum]

Fun is nothing to forget about

[dawn canyon]

i remember the first pwar guide for SL i ever saw

prolly 9.0

"i put wall on shoulders since the tmog is good"

[onyx vessel]

[verbal hill]

can i tank a 15 with no tier set and no legendaries at 236 ilvl?

[undone verge]

would certainly be hard

[blazing condor]

No leggos? Lol

[undone verge]

not impossible but I wouldn't recommend it

[blazing condor]

But yeah you most probably can

But wont be a cakewalk

[verbal hill]

sounds good, i've got guildies with 278 ilvl pumping dps

[blazing condor]

Might be tough with aggro and shit if you got overgeared people with you

But it should be doable

[undone verge]

yeah the biggest issue would be aggro

[verbal hill]

yeah i'll probably just pull a bit smaller than i would normally

[dawn canyon]

if you had reprisal lego its prolly chill

[jagged pier]

i mean leggos are so cheap now

no excuse for not having one tbh

[verbal hill]

its the cosmic flux man

[dawn canyon]

ye its uh <20k for em on my realm

do the one time treasures

[verbal hill]

how much do you get?

[dawn canyon]

200 per chest

[verbal hill]

how many are there?

[dawn canyon]

and theres like 8 of them

not sure

its a bit annoying but worth

do daily BG win

same for ranked 2s/3s if u can

[jagged pier]

i mean u can just get a 235 one

like 235 rep is better than a 278 piece

[dawn canyon]

or a 190 for 5 gold

[jagged pier]

yer even thats better

[pallid finch]

i have a prot pally. now a prot warrior. why do prot warriors "suck" to the community again?

[dawn canyon]

because we were in a very bad place in 9.0

and people dont recognize its better now

[pallid finch]

i see. ya, i have 3k io background score as prot pally, and my warrior at 264 with tanking exp gets declined in ... .... 15s from time to time.

[hollow sun]

I tanked a 13 yesterday with il 220, no tier set. Shouldn't be an issue if you know the dungeon

[pallid finch]

i see the hate is for real

[hollow sun]

And as others said, just craft a low legendary

To start

[sick sentinel]

you CAN tank a 15 as 220 no legendary

but not in a pug

not in a shitty one at least

[hollow sun]

Just run thorgast layer 3 twice

And you can craft a rank 2 legendary

That will be max 3k gold including missives

[sick sentinel]

average pug, your gunna be one one holding and making the key at that point, if your 2.5 or 3k on another toon, sure

maybe might be easier then

you have to loot the fnal boss in torghast or no cinders found that out, annoying

so, you lose them forever if you exit

[hollow sun]

They should get mailed to you

[sick sentinel]

ah, maybe so, still need 1 more run somehow

then dailies then LFR for alt leggo

[hollow sun]

cause people like to follow the meta even at low level. i got rejected from a 6, dude has been waiting since 10m for a tank. 2m later he is still looking for a tank lol or the 9 key with "note if venthyr" message

[pallid finch]

ya, 😭

[sick sentinel]

well, whatever find another group lol

[hollow sun]

yeah of course, but its still funny

or when i invite a druid and he writes: i'm feral, if you want kick me now

[dawn canyon]

[hollow sun]

haha

[sick sentinel]

no what happens with me is i get invited to group and then they get mad at me cuz i did something and died or we died or they died whatever and then they tell me i have the wrong talents that i should be using this one instead but its actually a raid talent

[hollow sun]

they might be right though

even if they are assholes

you gotta not take it personally

[sick sentinel]

well, sometimes if you think someone did you dirty and you can't distinguish otherwise without looking deep into it (some key with a DH i ejected after completion cuz i thought he pulled the wasp nest pack start of PF, this was me pulling giant while it was beside wasps), it can cloud your mental clarity and correct thinking or some bullshit

[verbal hill]

Update lads, it didn't go well

[dawn canyon]

what was the issue

[sick sentinel]

i did not know this was what happened until i looked at videos, same like i did not know about cursed bombs attaching to something else, so by seeing the videos i actually understand what the fuck is going wrong other than i have some vague idea of there is some caster asshole and he probably killed the healer with his nuke, so thats why we wiped

no, now i see that, ..... there is more to the issue... watching replay videos back

[dawn canyon]

why have u posted this like 6 times already

[sick sentinel]

dangerous ninja pull item that people say to use here because good dps, its okay dps, sure

i had it happen and have proof it can happen

[lofty widget]

no one's doubting that tho

and we're not telling ppl to go get it, just that it's a decent alternative to other trinkets

doesnt have strength after all

[sick sentinel]

that was the first trinket i got S3 when i resubbed, very first dungeon i did we had a warrior and he got it, and i said ayo, can i get that shit?

and it turned out that he did not infact need that item and i could have it

[cobalt seal]

why are you still posting about it

without people not talking about it

[sick sentinel]

cuz im not just old man yelling at the clouds any more, able to look into and understand things better by do logs review game play, didn't do any of that BFA or start of SL

[cobalt seal]

why do you have to repeat it 6 times?

[topaz field]

because he is an old man

let this old man tell his stories

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5Dj5G1kaqI

stick it back in the oven

[hollow sun]

literally homer simpson dad

[carmine oracle]

Sorry to have to ask but i can't find a definitive answer. Doesn't it make sense to put Reprisal on a ring slot to allow for my legs or boots to be used for tier 4 piece set?

[chrome falcon]

well for one thing, tier set doesn't go on boots

and for another, ring has dogshit stat budget

why put your highest ilvl piece on the worst slot when it could go on head/chest and give you mega stats

[strong forum]

You want the most amount of stats you can get from leggos, for tanks that also means armor and Str

Boots offers the best stat budget for reprisal because legs are occupied by tierset/ 285

Unity goes on helmet/chest because those 2 slots offer the biggest stat budget of all slots

If you can get 285 tier chest you craft on helmet because helmet has an alot higher stat budget than gloves and free socket

[dusty jetty]

what do we generally put on leggo stats?

[chrome falcon]

haste/vers or haste/crit

[dusty jetty]

is there diminishing returns on huge haste or do we just keep going

[chrome falcon]

stop at 40% unbuffed

[dusty jetty]

ok awesome

i just dinged 60 and funneled valor gear from main, so im only 223 lol

wont matter til ages, but good to know

wouldnt vers just be better for mitigation? why do people do crit?

[chrome falcon]

dps

[jagged pier]

Change PFP back

[chrome falcon]

[dusty jetty]

is there a trinkets ranking for prot

currently have an iqd and soleah

not sure if legit

[polar slate]

scale

[chrome falcon]

all the trinkets from this patch

suck

[lofty widget]

phial, afe, aegis, soleahs, sack (although no mainstat)

but yeah theyre all terrible this patch

[hollow sun]

the prot warrior dream is already over

[strong forum]

Huh

[hollow sun]

the guy was asking before on how to tank a 15 with il 230

[strong forum]

I mean I got a buddy who tanked 20s with 230 ilvl

But it's not for everyone

[hollow sun]

don't try it at home

[dusty jetty]

tbh i wanna try tanking 15s with 220

but without tier or leggos it’d probably be super difficult

[strong forum]

you 100% need leggos

well you dont need them

but not using leggos will absolutely suck

will require 100% abuse of geared dps

[hollow sun]

i'm almost there

[hazy edge]

I did 15s on my war with just double leggo and no tier and like 250ish ilvl, but it was a guild group so it’s a bit different

[hollow sun]

also, did they nerfed necrotic?

it looks like tis 5 sec now

almost a non affix

[fallow osprey]

do you all use an automarker addon to help coordinate interrupts?

[strong forum]

ya they nerfed it like twice

[fallow osprey]

looking for one and not sure which to use

[hollow sun]

i use keybinds

but there was one pretty good on wago

[fallow osprey]

ok i'll check them out

[hollow sun]

https://wago.io/3bViaBtT1

[fallow osprey]

nice thanks

[dusty jetty]

very nice

[fallow osprey]

how many stacks of necrotic should i take before dropping them? (new tank, low keys)

[ionic fern]

What ever you feel comfortable with. You can start with 20-30. Once you get more comfortable and know the class/enemies you can go higher.

[potent anvil]

Any 99 stacks gang?

[fallow osprey]

lol

i feel like i'm moving too quickly through the dungeon to reapply fleshcraft after every pull/other pull. do you all keep it on cooldown or?

[sick sentinel]

yup nothing to be scared of, do u have any tier set or a 10 or 15 on time yet?

[lofty widget]

dont reapply it, just tap it on cd for the mastery buff

[fallow osprey]

oh good call

[sick sentinel]

once you've seen a 10 on time for that dungeon, thats it, thats that way dungeon plays out every single time after you want to run one early to learn the 10 mechanic

[chrome falcon]

hey now

not just the mastery

don't forget the 5% magic dr!

[fallow osprey]

do you all keep track of the party's offensive CD's so you know what size to pull or are you just looking at healer externals or all of the above? trying not to get my screen cluttered lol

[chrome falcon]

if i'm on voice doing a key then i'll ask what CDs we have and sometimes pull extra if we have everything

but no that's too much info to actually track in a pug

[lofty widget]

healer mana might be good, but you can just add that on your party frames

otherwise just pull around your own cds

[fallow osprey]

right on

[lime urchin]

Just so it’s on cool-down, not full cast

Unless it’s on a spot where you don’t really slow the party down by doing so

[sick sentinel]

Its always a nice feeling when your groups calls you an amazing tank

Prot warrior slept on though

Told me they don't meet many good ones

[fallow osprey]

you know that pull after kin-tara and azules where there's a bunch of skirmishers? should i still grab the two packs on the left side and LOS in a corner? i couldn't figure out how to drop my necrotic stacks and died...

[lofty widget]

you should LOS them upstairs to the left, in that little corner, and when you need to reset necrotic you can just run down the stairs and los again

[sick sentinel]

^what he said

Or just kill them before they kill you

[fallow osprey]

ok thank you

Bounding stride for kiting weeks like necrotic or nah?

[lofty widget]

meh, personal pref

you dont really need to kite necrotic anyway

outside some niche pulls

[strong forum]

need to kite necrotic like twice per dungeon

others you just reset mid combat or dwarf

[fallow osprey]

One day I’ll be gigadwarfchad

But it is not this day

[lofty widget]

nelf masterrace 🤷‍♂️

[mighty egret]

dwarf

[sick sentinel]

hpal bop macro off big taunt

hpal does hoj and judgement or shock or somethin

freedum is nice as shit too

[safe thistle]

?

[hollow sun]

This, I don't get why people stay below the stairs, the skirmishers just hit them anyway lol

[safe thistle]

the corner wall work great but theres always in pugs one guy that mvoe out of it cause he dont like the camera view and is just stupid

[hollow sun]

Nah, no tier set 😎

[hollow sun]

It's ok anyway. If they leap out, you just go behind the corner and usually they run back to you again

[sick sentinel]

i'd try to get at least 2/4 but, after that its all free

you can get that in LFR an then do actual raid or keys for easy 4/4

[hollow sun]

Naaaah, it feels like cheating if I get it before timing a 15

[safe thistle]

your choice

[sick sentinel]

i'd advice wearing the 2set lfr of shame for the effect alone so you can practice with it now

until you can get valor/raid set, soon as you can get 4/4 you'll have a much smoother time

[chrome falcon]

uhhhhhh

sir this is a world of warcraft protection warrior discord

[lofty widget]

outlaw>subelty

[weak spindle]

Raid logging >uninstalling

Egg>chicken

[lofty widget]

hotel>trivago

[weak spindle]

>

[waxen orbit]

Based but wrong channel

[cinder nova]

Looks like VDH finally got a ST buff

What's the actual % of these buffs? 3-4%?

[teal swift]

[teal swift]

This is the only channel lets be real

[safe thistle]

i believe brew become the lowest on ST now

hmm bear should be better than brew now no ?

they have very low and peak dps time

[chrome falcon]

guardians problem is that their rage dump is the most pathetic ability in the entire game

[sick sentinel]

+3% tiny buff Kappa

[chrome falcon]

it costs half their rage bar and has about as much damage as their generator

probably less damage after that mangle buff actually

[safe thistle]

kek

[chrome falcon]

maul used to be sick

now it's just an on-gcd heroic strike

[safe thistle]

like thunder clap used to be ? 😛

well bad exemple sicne its a generator

but maul was great in legion ?

i stoipped playing bear after legion they were so damn boring

vdh will even more want to pick fracture now

mandatory talent suck

like devastator

[hollow sun]

everything that is not warrior is boring

[cinder nova]

I dunno BDK is apparently a bit cerebral.

Can't over marrow yourself into an early grave.

CPM on warrior is high, but let's be real the rotation isn't hard.

[hollow sun]

yeah, it can be fun even if its simple

[cinder nova]

Bear is just boring.

BDK seems like it'd be fun because it requires a bit of thought.

[hollow sun]

its one of those that i never tried

but gripping stuff around seems very fun

[safe thistle]

yah divine toll is nice

i play DK and its fun to grab stuff compared to warrior where you charge around you can control better the situation since you can even mass grip too a big pull perfectly stacked 😛 lots of fun on DK,war,pally

[sick sentinel]

10.0 waiting room hoping df doesn't suck

[vestal moat]

WHy did DH need to be buffed and not prot warrior

makes no sense

[low kindle]

cox DH actually does no ST

warrior owns in ST

[blazing stump]

How many necrotic stacks before i pull out and reset it?

[restive sage]

DH ST is dog water

[cinder nova]

Warr ST is pretty huge tbh. We can easily do between 10 - 15K ST depending on the fight/duration.

Not BDK huge, but close. Pretty sure PPall is still better than us too

The difference is that it seems our damage is pretty easily built in to our rotation for both offense and defense.

From what I know, BDK has to adjust talents, cov., and legendaries to really get the ball rolling.

But boy do it slap

[fallow osprey]

I asked earlier and it will be dependent on you and the healers comfort level, but 25-30 seems fine if you’re just starting out

[blazing stump]

Thanks! first time tanking necrotic on prot warr, i usually skip necrotic weeks.

[tardy lantern]

depends on how long the pack will live. if you have 30 stacks but the pack will die in the next 5-10sec and your hp is fine, you can just chill. but if it will live a long time and its a hard hitting pack, its sometimes even good to look for an early reset on 15-20stacks

dont wait till its too late. better early and be safe

[hazy edge]

Nope we were 2nd highest tanks in st even before the execute buff, now we are firmly ahead of ppal

[cinder nova]

Oh fuck I just checked. Huge

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[hazy edge]

Yup. I fixed Intervene in simc and added it to the apl a couple months ago and that, along with some minor outburst and shield block tweaks, added about 500 dps to the sim

Still trying to get a walking_charge implemented (walking away from the boss and charging back in) because the sim is missing out on something like 15-18 charges in a 5 min fight, but I’ve been swamped lately and haven’t had time. Should be something like 100-200 dps more though

[verbal hill]

I'm really finding reprisal awkward to use mid fight, anyone have any tips?

I usually try to charge to a ranged add but that leaves me exposed through the back as I charge through

Also anyone have a good macro for intervene?

[cinder nova]

Just make a mouseover macro for intervene or a focus macro for it to either charge the same target or whatever target you mouseover on.

As for charge, just walk out and charge back in 4head

You have a pretty non-insignificant speed boost from banner.

[toxic pewter]

I use this one

[toxic pewter]

#protection message

[verbal hill]

Oh yes I'm missing the covenant legendary which will help alot with my kiting out

[verbal hill]

That's great thanks!

[cinder nova]

I mean, Reprisal is still "walk out and charge back in"

Even before banner.

Especially during times your cotank is running the boss.

[verbal hill]

I'm talking mythic plus

[urban portal]

Even easier

[verbal hill]

Also I find it hard to group up adds they seem to be all over the place

[cinder nova]

For what? M+?

Oh right, reading.

Yeah, press shockwave, hamstring, Intim, or just let your team slow like they should be kekw

[toxic pewter]

Yah like far away mobs that are casting, can charge them and pummel. Teammates should help with kicks a lot too

ravager to get aoe threat

[cinder nova]

I mean, be careful about charging to ungrouped mobs because you're liable to get backhit by like 3-8 things pretty fast and die.

Should probably also just finish the ZM quest and get Unity

Because that's gonna make life 1000x easier

and get 4p

[verbal hill]

Yeah that's true, just a big cosmic flux grind right now 😫

[cinder nova]

You're gonna have a hard time before unity and even worse before 4p

so

best not to worry too much, but not terrible to build good habits early

[fluid drum]

hi. advice for tanking SL content (not knowledgeable enough but did content on dps?)

also learning the spec

[jagged pier]

Just go out and try to start with

[weak snow]

do i put whirlwind on my bar as step-prot?

[lofty widget]

nop

[blazing condor]

nyet

[sick sentinel]

yeah, i'm switching over to mage and other classes, cinders and flux is a huge wall

[jagged pier]

u can but u will never press it

u can get powers for it in torg for instance

but that would be the only place u would press it

[sick sentinel]

the main power that you want it for is SS casts it automatically and then another one that when you WW you DG things in, so, SS cast WW, WW pulls everything in, >> aoe time

[fallow osprey]

what order do you all kill the bosses in for 1st boss ToP?

[tame jasper]

dessia first

then the necromancer

then the jumping around guy

[fallow osprey]

great thanks!

[sick sentinel]

I typically kill sathel first on that fight overall for some reason, or dessia, either or, doesn't matter but when one dies the remainer becomes target, don't give a shit about pacrean

cuz. you go on caster regardless, so that dessia comes beside the caster your on, and then dps always has chance to cleave dps

[topaz field]

preferably u want to kill the all at the same time for time reasons ofc but the only one that is hard to tank is dessia with his but i dont think that with tier set any tanks rlly struggles on her still

u want to assign kicks for searing death of sathel which hits like a truck

2 melee are enough to kick it

and the range kick paceran as soon as she/he jumps out

so they stack quickly again

[fallow osprey]

ok ya i was wondering how to get them grouped up but it sounds like my group members need to be helping with kicks

[topaz field]

yes especially on paceran

thats a range kick always

once he jumps out

[fallow osprey]

oh i see, cuz usually ranged interrupts aren't that short of a cooldown but they only NEED to interrupt paceran when he's jumped out - if he gets a cast off but is still grouped up that's fine

[topaz field]

yes u cant kick everything

[fallow osprey]

ya

[topaz field]

the only important kick is searing death on high keys

thats sathel

and 2 melees can solo it

or one shaman

[fallow osprey]

does searing death only do dmg if someone's within 3yds? or does it dmg the target of the spell regardless?

[topaz field]

it applies to one player

and will also hit others around him

u can see a circle

at the feet

just like the debuff of kultharok

its exactly the same in terms of how it works

[fallow osprey]

ok

[topaz field]

dont stand in that circle or more ppl eat that dmg

and as an alt healer i can tell u kicks on searing are highly appreciated couz from 20++ they really hurt and u spam heal ppl

if they dont press anything

there will be a time when sathel cannot be kicked and thats when dps use defensives for searing

but what i told u mainly applies to higher keys 😄 on a weekly u can do w/e the fuck u want

[fallow osprey]

i'm just learning to tank and pushing my key so i was curious, ty for the help! i have an unrelated question about Encrypted. what kind of things are you considering when picking between uhr and vy?

if everyone's low on health and mana that is an easy pick for urh

but if you're engaging a boss is one better than the other?

[jagged pier]

urh is better 99% of the time

[topaz field]

i would always get urh for pugs

unless u want to skip

[fallow osprey]

cool

[potent anvil]

Always wo if your group is

[fallow osprey]

we are definitely not lmao

[potent anvil]

I just blindly aoe into relic packs. If it's wo, we zoomin 🏃‍♂️

[fallow osprey]

lol

math checks out

[sick sentinel]

vy because vy not

[topaz field]

@sick sentinel ?

[sick sentinel]

don't use vy

[topaz field]

wo asked

[sick sentinel]

urh mom

[topaz field]

🙂

[potent anvil]

[median tulip]

Always take Urh. If someone pops Vy then stab the warlock in the eyes until he promises not to do it again.

[topaz field]

if u dont get urh as prot warrior you are trolling urself

[fallow osprey]

i mean, i've been known to troll myself before

inadvertently

but i'll take urh

[topaz field]

one ss on relic is often enough

[drifting fable]

and you have exe

[topaz field]

yup

[drifting fable]

you get to decide pretty much

[fallow osprey]

where's that execute pepe

[lofty widget]

[fallow osprey]

there it is

baby pwarr trying his first +10 here we go

[drifting fable]

experience your first urh and youll be so happy

[fallow osprey]

lol

[drifting fable]

just blow all your CDs on it

and enjoy

[median tulip]

save yourself some effort; make a macro that does /tar Urh

[fallow osprey]

so this one was on me, there was a group of 3 players from Ragnaros that i invited and i'm not sure they understood the plan. because after linking the route and explaining it in chat and marking Wo with a skull for the first pull, Vy popped out

(we were doing mists and going to skip a couple packs before first boss)

[jagged pier]

sounds about right for a pug

[potent anvil]

At least it wasnt as bad as my experience in a pug halls. Had a 3.4 entitled rogue who refuses to shroud to 2nd boss after we were overcount because a hunter randomly shot at things. Literally said to me that I didnt know route. For an 18, btw.

He went and stealthed and afk at 2nd boss expecting us to invis or wo skip

[fallow osprey]

smh

[sick sentinel]

we didn't kill first boss of 15 top till 4.5 minutes, then the group wiped to arena boss

healer rage about only me attacking the totem, logged off, ain't attempted shit since lol

[topaz field]

if i tell people to kill wo in first pack and they refuse they get the 200 % route from me

[fallow osprey]

lmao

[topaz field]

with a lot of single target encounters

[sick sentinel]

some bosses that need move speed it seems they kill wo sometimes

[fallow osprey]

I realize they want the “big dam” but you know what’s faster than killing a pack while buffed? Skipping it! Lol

[sick sentinel]

there are some bosses that are made really easy with wo

[topaz field]

but afterall i try to not get a wo in low pugs because u cant expect ppl to find the right target if they are clicking wrong buttons 99% of the time