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#protection
fickle arrow
Can you completely mitigate a physical attack if it’s less then your block amount?
grave crane
you can however take no actual damage if you have IP and FC up and then block
lavish grove
we have known for a while that 9.2.5 was going to be the last patch
chrome falcon
presumably dog meant season, not patch
grave crane
yeah probably since S4 coming in
blazing condor
we have known for a while that 9.2.5 was going to be the last patch
well i mean the next season + revamped raids etc
grave crane
i would like to see more class talent trees some time soon but blizzard so who knows
narrow fog
i would like to see more class talent trees some time soon but blizzard so who k...
maybe they release all the remaining ones at once?
narrow fog
hey guys, it will be good this time, come on INHALES COPIUM
chrome falcon
well
lavish grove
i dont think anyone saw the 2022 release date and was not surprised
chrome falcon
it was 
then too
grave crane
thats what i was thinking
cobalt seal
it's not like they don't wanna get sued in EU for having pre-order without a "release" date
grave crane
TBH even though SL has had some ups and downs i had fun and got more than my worth with my sub so fuck it Dragonlands cant be wores
worse*
lofty widget
oh you sweet summer child
cobalt seal
TBH even though SL has had some ups and downs i had fun and got more than my wor...
BFA would like a word
Legion launch would like a word
grave crane
didnt start playing till BFA and wasnt really serious so didnt know what i was doing
narrow fog
TBH even though SL has had some ups and downs i had fun and got more than my wor...
this was the moment that saved shadowlands from being a complete disaster:
lol, this comment
*> becomes free
does nothing wrong one last time
refuses to elaborate
dies*
median tulip
Nathria was good; the rest of Shadowlands sucked
Sanctum of Domination was an insanely bad raid. I hated it.
grave crane
nathria was a good solid raid, really enjoyed the music and the final boss should have been the main villian of the whole story
narrow fog
nathria was a good solid raid, really enjoyed the music and the final boss shoul...
lord dracula was a good villain I agree
chrome falcon
sanctum probably the worst raid since like
idk something in mop
unless we count emerald nightmare
median tulip
nathria was a good solid raid, really enjoyed the music and the final boss shoul...
Absolutely. Denathrius was a far more interesting and compelling villain than Zovaal
dawn canyon
SOD first boss best first boss of expac
dawn canyon
Absolutely. Denathrius was a far more interesting and compelling villain than Zo...
also far hotter
median tulip
True
grave crane
sanctum was super boring and had at least 2 fights that were just so draining, sylvanas should not have been that long
median tulip
Kinky, as well
median tulip
sanctum was super boring and had at least 2 fights that were just so draining, s...
Sanctum tried to be Epic, but actually just ended up being big, with long treks through empty corridors
That fucking bridge on the way to Remant/Soulrender/Painsmith being the worst piece of raid layout ever
grave crane
get rid of all the trash and you wont hear a complaint, but im talking boss fights, fateweaver was annoying for the DPS, Sylvanas was annoying for everyone cause of the long walk to get to p3
median tulip
It's not even the trash, it's the 9 miles of walking after each wipe
narrow fog
It's not even the trash, it's the 9 miles of walking after each wipe
healthy exercise
grave crane
that too. get a lock and soul stone easy
median tulip
2/3rds of the Sylvanas fight should have been a gauntlet you did once to get to the final boss arena
No fight should ever have 2 lust windows in it
grave crane
the fight wouldnt have been bad if they just got rid of the whole p2. go fight to fight
dawn canyon
jailer also did
median tulip
The Eye and the Nine were pretty good fun
grave crane
yeah, the nine was a great fight just felt good to do
median tulip
Tarragrue was the traditional first boss loot pinata
The last 4 bosses were either boring or annoying (or both)
But the middle 5 fights were ok
grave crane
i didnt mind kelthuzad honestly. once we got it down and dps actually killed my ghosts the fight was good and easy
median tulip
Still, nothing like as good a raid as Nathria
Nathria was just full of great fights, even the trash could be fun, the raid itself was pretty well laid out with the mirror shortcuts and secret passages meaning that you didn't have to waste time walking, and the voice acting was genuinely excellent
grave crane
SLG could be a huge problem but Kael and council were easy and kinda fun
mighty valley
sylvanas prog did suck, KT was a letdown, and fatescribe... well we didn't have to do mechanics on fatescribe but it sure sounded annoying
but painsmith was such a banger fight that i don't have all bad memories of SOD
grave crane
Fate was super annoying and Pain was a decent fight
cobalt seal
Ez=Fun i guess fun is persona thing
median tulip
but painsmith was such a banger fight that i don't have all bad memories of SOD
"Unleash the Instrument!"
The best fights always have the best voice acting
grave crane
Ez=Fun i guess fun is persona thing
they were fun because the Mechanics were engaging without being cumbersome and annoying and easy to do because they were simple and required coordination.
mighty valley
SLG is the only real black mark against Nathria imo, the best bosses were excellent and the rest were above average
kaelthas was only 50% fun to tank but hey, healers seemed to have fun
median tulip
I genuinely didn't mind Generals. Lady Darkvein was the fight we stalled on
She was a bitch when we were undergeared
grave crane
Generals was annoying because i was playing prot venthyr and had no way to clear the bleeds easy. my dk co tank just took bleed bitch and i took punchy boy and we switched like once i think on the final section
mighty valley
SLG was a really undertuned nothing fight until Mythic when they actually had to make it hard
exposing how bad it was
chrome falcon
It was also just bugged out of its ass
mighty valley
yeah, you can just tell that it came in hot, maybe it got a halondrus style late redesign
except it didn't have the halondrus luck of turning into an all timer
undone verge
SLG was pretty underwhelming, I wouldn’t say I hated the fight, but it was like a 3/10
My hot take from CN was Council was a bad fight
vivid silo
Hey all, in an average M+ dungeon is there a rough SB % uptime to be looking at?
undone verge
It’s not trash but it can be better
vivid silo
Ty 🙂
vivid silo
Is there a way to look at that in details, or is it a log thing
grave crane
its a log thing
vivid silo
Ok thanks, I'll figure that out in this coming week then
grave crane
for sure, just work on keeping SB up while in combat. intevene on cd a melee charge weave, use your SB charges. thats our biggest thing for defense
ancient monolith
is it possible to have banner up 100% throughout raid fights?
or is there a fight where 100% banner uptime is possible?
vivid silo
for sure, just work on keeping SB up while in combat. intevene on cd a melee cha...
Ty, will do. I'll report back next week with an updated SB uptime 😄
undone verge
or is there a fight where 100% banner uptime is possible?
Yeah the fights I’ve found where it’s easy/possible to get 100% are dasaugne, skolex, pantheon, halondrus, artificer, and rygelon
Fights where it’s possible but tough are guardian, lihivum, and anduin
ancient monolith
I'm definitely not managing rage correctly then as I lose banner buff with 1 min cd
undone verge
Jailer is pretty impossible imo, it definitely is possible, but the amount of time in between tank mechanics, the amount of line of sighting, and running away for the p2 mechanic
ancient monolith
I just did some of those bosses recently
ancient monolith
I don't think I have logs because it was just a pug raid with a couple friends
but
I try to spend as much rage as possible when under banner
using reprisal to get a bit more rage
and booming voice
grave crane
i think details can tell you if your wasting rage if you have those
but you need to be dumping rage into IP so you dont overcap
and hitting Shield Slam on CD
undone verge
Are you on Aggra? @ancient monolith
chrome falcon
Fights where it’s possible but tough are guardian, lihivum, and anduin
I find it pretty easy on those too with enough practice
ancient monolith
ye
chrome falcon
Hey all, in an average M+ dungeon is there a rough SB % uptime to be looking at?
Uptime is irrelevant
ancient monolith
awesome
undone verge
I find it pretty easy on those too with enough practice
Yeah guardian just depends on timing with adds, if there aren’t any up for the shield phase it’s tough, at least below mythic
ancient monolith
the only time I can hold banner for a long time is during execute phase because...
you know...
execute
waxen orbit
I got nitro
So now I can use my favorite emote
In every server
Also what’s good everyone I’m in Jamaica
vocal bison
<:literallytrash:752422340150820914>
Sporting bis tank trinket i see
undone verge
Use it on fury
Healer trinket too tbh
waxen orbit
For sure
turbid yacht
Still learning Prot but having a blast. I seemed to do better in pugs as Kyrian than I do as Necrolord? I'm guessing I'd see more value with Necro in organized groups?
turbid yacht
Gotcha. Once I feel more comfortable with the Prot base kit I'll switch back.
undone verge
So a few things I’ve noticed, make sure you’re last stand’ing on cooldown so you can get that extra burst of increased rage gen. It’s very easy to rage cap here so usually you can get banner around 25 seconds on pull of banner. As for everything else, just make sure you don’t overlap rage, pressing charge on cd, intervene, demo shout, avatar. And pressing shield block on cd if you have enough rage.
waxen orbit
👍Always good to get the basics down first
undone verge
the only time I can hold banner for a long time is during execute phase because....
So a few things I’ve noticed, make sure you’re last stand’ing on cooldown so you can get that extra burst of increased rage gen. It’s very easy to rage cap here so usually you can get banner around 25 seconds on pull of banner. As for everything else, just make sure you don’t overlap rage, pressing charge on cd, intervene, demo shout, avatar. And pressing shield block on cd if you have enough rage.
ancient monolith
I see
undone verge
Gotcha. Once I feel more comfortable with the Prot base kit I'll switch back.
Kyrian is easier, definitely not bad, necro is better just a lot harder to play
ancient monolith
I notice I should press more IP just so I don't cap rage
waxen orbit
I see
It sounds dickish, but it really is as simple advice as just hit your buttons more
Genuinely
Shouldn’t be a millisecond that you aren’t hitting an ability, if not two (IP and a global)
ancient monolith
haha it doesn't sound dickish at all. I actually like that the advice is basically, spend more rage
press more buttons
ancient monolith
I have already got to a point where I am just spamming revenge
but since Im gen so much more rage than I have to use it somewhere
waxen orbit
That’s always good, as long as you’re still prioritizing Shield Slam when it’s off CD/proc’d
waxen orbit
And yeah think of IP as primarily a pressure release valve for your rage
ancient monolith
cool thanks for the analysis anyways 😄
waxen orbit
Anytime!
ancient monolith
as always I will try to
waxen orbit
undone verge
Yeah cause typically you get more rage out of revenge with shield slam procs and tier set.
fallow osprey
Something ridiculous, ya
pallid finch
so jailer p3, how do you know to where he's gonna knock you back?
lofty widget
he just does a swirly and knocks you straight back depending how you stand in relation to that
so you dont wanna be between that and a hole for example
chrome falcon
that's in p2 too though so 🤔
lofty widget
well tbf its been a few months since i did jailer
chrome falcon
yeah i mean you're correct i'm just not sure how you hit p3 without knowing how that mechanic works
toxic pewter
Sup gang
toxic pewter
waht color dragon wings you guys wearing? I am wearing blue and red so far
pallid finch
purple and yellow
autumn pendant
none
cinder storm
Anybody knows how naowh pulls the encrypted pack during NW first pull?
autumn pendant
Anybody knows how naowh pulls the encrypted pack during NW first pull?
there are 2 patrolling soldiers, if you pulll them at correct spot, you pull also relics without gatekeeper
that pink line is their patrol route iirc, i just took quick screenshot
hard tundra
I recently picked up my prot warrior and got the two leggos but no set pieces. Been playing necro and struggling to keep up my banner in keys, got around 30-35% uptime (6-8+ keys) does the set bonus help with more rage or should I just chain pull more? Currently doing 1 at the time
vernal vale
I recently picked up my prot warrior and got the two leggos but no set pieces. B...
The key to banner uptime is more rage gained and spent with as little downtime as possible.
toxic pewter
Tier set is huge
vernal vale
Tier set bonus gives outburst which increases rage gain by 200% on an ability
Shield slam goes from 15 to 45 rage gain
More still when using the last stand conduit
hard tundra
Ah cool, thanks
brittle owl
wowanalyzer in last patch of expac 
sullen valve
?
jagged pier
Its mael hes memeing just ignore him
sullen valve
👍
jagged pier
blazing condor
dont sadge because its over gladge because it happened
tardy sequoia
thanks Nom
should i keep stitchflesh or god's signet?
one gives more haste while the other vers, i can be 25% 8% or 23% 10%
strong forum
Stitch
tardy sequoia
and in the socket puts haste right?
jagged pier
tardy sequoia
thanks!
sick sentinel
waht color dragon wings you guys wearing? I am wearing blue and red so far
none atm.... 90 usd + 13% tax lol
right now i'd be happy doing laundry and food etc, have a bit left over for other stuff
i could totally use the bonus effects and items, but i have alot of valids reasons im not buying epic one just yet, #1 i think the HS effect looks like made specfically for paladin/priest mains and healer mains
#2 i have like 4 or 5 60's that i never play already, #3 im just not interested in mount pet or back mogs personally(... yet)
sick sentinel
So dont buy it
not yet no, but i will,
deep solar
Yo guys I've been thinking of playing NF RSham on my guilds anduin prog. You think its troll?
jagged pier
well that would be a question for the shaman discord
cobalt seal
deep solar
oh nvm i found it in the pins lol
cobalt seal
blazing condor
dawn canyon
Yo guys I've been thinking of playing NF RSham on my guilds anduin prog. You thi...
Wouldnt chain harvest be better since it can hit all the healing addons after a MD?
deep solar
oh I take it for the mana tide, our druids need more mana teehee
strong forum
:susge:
dawn canyon
Id rather bring a boomie (🤮) for mana issues than an rsham
If mana is an issue it might be throughput cooldowns being not funny utilized
sick sentinel
boomies in my experiences usually suck
dawn canyon
I supposed viserios sheets might help
dawn canyon
boomies in my experiences usually suck
Ya ofc but they have innervate
sick sentinel
so does shaman lots of times, those classes like to fall over alot to nothing
sick sentinel
warrior or dk and no hunter rogue means the warr/dk is gunna floor pov
dawn canyon
No
white ember
Just to be sure, the shield Sepulchers Savior isn't worth it due to lack of secondary stats, right? (compared to comparable ilvl shield)
Can't find much testing info on the value of the block value compared to stats.
ionic fern
Just to be sure, the shield Sepulchers Savior isn't worth it due to lack of seco...
Correct.
white ember
Thanks
dawn canyon
Rsham owns tho?
Yea but bringing it because of mana tide rather than because it's good is my reasoning
sick sentinel
8 seconds of Mana Tide Totem equates to 3,200 extra mana, or 6.4% mana. Worth mentioning that this seems to affect all allies, doubling their mana regeneration for 8 seconds. i wonder at what point its over kill and mana is useless for group with urh
seems like it applies more to paladin tank groups
median tulip
8 seconds of Mana Tide Totem equates to 3,200 extra mana, or 6.4% mana. Worth me...
The original question was about Raids though.
Speaking as someone who actually plays Resto Shaman, in M+ content the Mana Tide Totem is mostly used because it will proc a free Chain Heal (from 4pc) when dropped
stuck kite
Can playing kyrian an dwarf for double necrotic dispell good this week? Plus the kyrian spear that retain ennemies
median tulip
Can playing kyrian an dwarf for double necrotic dispell good this week? Plus the...
Necrotic is a joke, play Necrolord
wheat shadow
Can playing kyrian an dwarf for double necrotic dispell good this week? Plus the...
kite
necrotic just means you're more reliant on team CC if you're careless with intervene/heroic leap
median tulip
Just murder everything faster and necrotic is a non-affix
wheat shadow
unlucky
stuck kite
Having an linkshot is a challenge
strong forum
Necrotic shouldn't be big of a problem these days
It's annoying but dwarf alone should be more than enough
stuck kite
Ok
wheat shadow
Necrotic shouldn't be big of a problem these days
Only seriously annoying place with Necrotic is, funnily enough
strong forum
If you feel the need to go kyrian go for it, it's not detrimental
wheat shadow
Necrotic Wake
strong forum
Ya necrotic wake necropolis makes it hard to reset
stuck kite
Actually having 15 stack of necrotic relove completely the benefit of indomitable
wheat shadow
Can catch you off guard
stuck kite
Remove
strong forum
That's not how math works Azrans
stuck kite
Hmmm
median tulip
On the spicy pulls I just go in with a full Fleshcraft shield and drop Shield Wall and Avatar
strong forum
15 stacks means indom heals for 0.7% instead of 1%
stuck kite
No more math in pugs
median tulip
Healing reduction only matter if you actually take damage in the first place
wheat shadow
TRUE
median tulip
Block everything, spell reflect what you can't block, abuse the hell out of the multiple damage reduction effects you have access to
stuck kite
I dont know the immune pot for 8 sec to any stacks was actually nice
median tulip
It's not Fortified so trash is generally a joke
lofty widget
it is
median tulip
Aside from one or two spicy pulls, you shouldn't really take that much damage
stuck kite
Didnt say i die on trash
wheat shadow
falling off platforms then
stuck kite
In fact my initial quzstion was is it bettter to play kyrian for double dispell with lazy pugs groups
lofty widget
you can deal with necrotic yourself 100 % of the time tho
shockwave, walk back, necrotic falls off, charge back in
it's only like a 5 sec duration these days
sick sentinel
Careful with this pull as that top pack stacks necrotic quickly
thats fine if you have your group put a slow on them and the ranged nukes them before they come too close
non elites, and tyranical, so they are literal do nothings this week beside necrotic counter
wheat shadow
Ya just save a CS for that if you wanna quickly grab aggro and let someone else deal with them
median tulip
I usually just shockwave those and then move away
sick sentinel
frost mage or hunter great example for that pull but take whatever you want
median tulip
If I'm playing my Shaman I use Cap Totem and Earthbind Totem there
undone verge
Week of the dwarf pallys
chrome falcon
oh man i had 2 old HC vaults
that both had the LoD shield
and then my real one that had 3 mythic slots just had garbage
hardy ridge
Thats tragic bro
sick sentinel
i took pants here because trinket is LOL and i recrafted mastery first no haste gloves
strong forum
I'd craft unity on helmet
Helmet has like 30str, and 20 haste and 20 vers more than gloves
And having a bit of crit and mastery on your gear is good
You don't want haste/vers exclusively, that's just bad
sick sentinel
for sure if gloves or another set piece 278 comes along
chest is 275, rest is 272, except gloves, stopped valoring them
sick sentinel
i was slave in valor mines all last week, probably close to 30 valor runs
i was just actively choosing not to valor gloves yet
1 run 200 valor, 400 to upgrade trinkets thats only 2 runs per upgrade, doin baby keys i could whole bunch of em no fear of key depleting or someone dropping mid key and get zero for 40 minutes, instead, 20 minutes total
safe thistle
With the gear you have and knowledge. You should be able to do 20ish but you stick to low-key and 15 which is bad , cause it's promoting poor playing and laziness on shield block etc.... All you need is to tell yourself you're able and can do it.
One of my guildy did a key with you and you only need to be more courageous. You hesitate a lot.
Overthinking is bad thinking
toxic pewter
I believe in the yogi dream 🤲
sick sentinel
i keep wasting tons of rage, and i don't really understand why but probably due to i don't go to like 20 rage before hitting SS with buffs up, i think full buffs SS is 80 rage
biggest rage wasted number alwas SS, 900 last one i checkd
safe thistle
Shield block increase shield slam dmg so don't just see it as defensive
sick sentinel
spires first boss tyrianical has deleted me with overhead strike on like a 15 16 17 something
safe thistle
Use a CD. Move so many option
sick sentinel
thats, you have to SB and face her regardless because if you move left right shes gunna still look at you during cast?
drifting fable
yes it will target you
but only you so you dont really have to worry about the party
hollow kayak
I tend to tank the overhead and move just after to stack the bosses. I don't want to kill my DPS players.
sick sentinel
thats what i mean i learnd about that the hard way
floor POV
i don't make alot of mistakes on that boss any more
cinder storm
Let's 5 tank a key with yogi
sick sentinel
5k dps probably
safe thistle
Could be cool 5 tank haha
chrome falcon
everything will delete you if you don't have shield block up
honestly you will probably do 100x better in your keys if you macro shield block into all of our abilities
just mindlessly spam it
it's not a good way to play
but it's better than forgetting to press it all together
patent osprey
.< thats a bad habit to have
patent osprey
better to just practice than rely on a macro XD
chrome falcon
in 12 minutes
cinder storm
I saw a friend streaming her alt warrior on 15s, saying war was hard, barely using SB, I couldn't keep watching
drifting fable
we like the damage
digital hull
Hey guys, it's worth to aim 30% haste ?
This is my stat, and i don't know how i should enchant / gemme (full vers actually)
▫️ Crit: 12.66%
▫️ Haste: 28.55%
▫️ Mastery 19.63%
▫️ Vers: 26.95%
Just have Scale and Trinkt Sylv HM. Don't have other trinket :/
cinder storm
Like your main mitigation tool and not even using it, is just bad
safe thistle
If he don't even use shield block go druid tank
lofty widget
Hey guys, it's worth to aim 30% haste ?
This is my stat, and i don't know how i...
haste haste haste
well ILVL first, then haste
safe thistle
You should be 40+ haste
lofty widget
vers is irrelevant for surviving
chrome falcon
you should not be "40+ haste"
you want 40 haste then stop
you don't need to aim for a specific number
haste is our best stat up to 40
safe thistle
Inf doesn't have dr
drifting fable
and truthfully you dont even need 40
lofty widget
you dont need any specific stat number
digital hull
Okey thx !
Now i'm at 36.63% haste and 22.30%versa, thx guys !
lofty widget
but at 40 % haste theres a 20 % tax so it becomes less valuable than crit/vers
safe thistle
I have 44‰ 
safe thistle
With itf and ows i think I get enough
lofty widget
it's 40 % unbuffed btw
digital hull
Ok thx for all, so aiming 39% then crit/vers if 'im understand good
lofty widget
so if youre at 44% with ows and itf then its fine
digital hull
39% with out talent / trinket etc
jagged pier
dont 👏 drop 👏 strength 👏 for 👏 haste
drifting fable
yup ilvl > secondaries
safe thistle
Except trinket
drifting fable
39 is a good goal but just keep in mind you can be jsut fine without it
digital hull
For ring too ? xD
drifting fable
you said you had like 36 haste you will be cruising
lofty widget
rings you can drop 10-13 ilvls for better stats
same for necks, since they dont have strength on them
safe thistle
Socket give still around 10 ilvl on rings right?
strong forum
Y
digital hull
Thx all ! 🙂
drifting fable
urban portal
I saw a friend streaming her alt warrior on 15s, saying war was hard, barely usi...
every other non DH tank has 100% uptime on their mitigation
only war and dh has non 100% uptime
and maybe bear depends on your POV
its definitely different
cinder storm
A bad player will make war look bad, thats also true for every class but, it's really obvious on war
cinder storm
What about bear?
urban portal
oh yeah
cinder storm
Should be easier
strong forum
Brew and bear are the 2 easiest tanks
sick sentinel
i could try bear maybe doubt i'd like it
cinder storm
Last time I played brew, it felt like a 4-5 button sequence, over and over
urban portal
it is
strong forum
Brew is just "keep up shuffle"
And kegsmash
And you'll be fine
4pc made sure of that
cinder storm
I don't know what I'm going to do without banner leggo, I went kyrian last night, it's so boring
strong forum
Yeah prot without banner is actually so boring now
cobalt seal
considering how you pressed 5 SB in a small part of a TOP
Bear might be good for you
urban portal
did he wipe in top 15 or somehting
sick sentinel
well no kinda outta context too
cuz, dude left like, 3 seconds after pulling first boss
so, it was already long dead before i stopped recording log
i mean, dude quits 10 seconds into your key your really gunna keep hitting buttons?
cobalt seal
i mean, dude quits 10 seconds into your key your really gunna keep hitting butto...
you know people didn't leave in the run I'm talking right?
sick sentinel
its related to that i didn't play right, and i still do it from time to time, i try to let it not happen
cobalt seal
So bear is there for you
sick sentinel
sure, it was pretty much an anomoly run, and i was to blame for his death and i might have done the same
urban portal
Don’t look at other people
wild hemlock
Ok i can actually feel the warrior tree this Friday
urban portal
You are the only constant in all your keys
cinder storm
I have a SB wa on top of my character, small in size but it helped me get better, got me into the habit of using it more when I was lesrning, I don't need it anymore
Maybe having a similar visual aid can help you too idk
sick sentinel
i time most of the keys i do
only 2 fails on the 15s i did last week, unless i look deeper
sick sentinel
no
i don't do that shit, thats on video recording on my harddrive as well.
i leave after the first 1 or 2 people leave and we agree, or its very very clear its a doomed key
cinder storm
Same
sick sentinel
2 wipes on the same trash is it for me
especially run back trash
pretty much always alt f4, or like, in uhh, stern? questioning? way asking if we want to continue or not
if we are killing trash, making timer-ish along the way, only 1 guy dies to random mechanic, and then we wipe before 2nd boss and final boss, thats not nearly as bad. stress for timer though
hollow sun
I have read on the icyveins guide that it's possible to have a 100% banner uptime, but what is a more realistic goal to strife for?
hollow sun
what do you get with tokens btw?
lofty widget
6 tokens gets you a socket
lofty widget
jelly
strong forum
maybe i can deal dmg soon
hollow sun
question, why now most people use booming voice?
sick sentinel
gives rage making banner easier to manage
plus you get other added effects, you deal more damage to them
lofty widget
question, why now most people use booming voice?
it's more ST and easier to keep banner uptime
bsc is more aoe dmg tho, but i wouldnt recommend it until you get at least 80% banner uptime
hollow sun
so its only if you are necro?
strong forum
BV is generally only for necro ye
lofty widget
should be necro tho
sick sentinel
there is some argument for using BSC as well
lofty widget
bsc is more aoe dmg tho, but i wouldnt recommend it until you get at least 80% b...
^
sick sentinel
its good damage, but you generally lose more uptime on banner
oh yes, to clarify, m+ cleave bosses (1st new raid)
because, the argument is, if you can get your banner 100% up time you have +22% more str, which adds huge damage, or, you can do the same, but cast more revenges
pallid fox
So, gearing up for tanking as an off spec. I'm assuming that Codex isn't worth using over Soleh, OWS or Phial?
lofty widget
codex is useless
pallid fox
Sorry, either codex
lofty widget
worth roughly 50g
sick sentinel
check the pin
lofty widget
soleahs is aight
sick sentinel
top right its a pin icon with a red dot on it
pallid fox
haha, its in the pin.
sick sentinel
soleahs is aight
can you double or more on that if you have one too
like rogue 1 tricks rogue 2 , rogue 2 tricks rogue 1
pallid fox
worth roughly 50g
76g!! Just haven't had luck on drops as prot loot spec for a few weeks. Got that and Grim Codex and....well, nothing else. I have a 239 Warped Fates but that seems like a bad idea due to the stat loss
Time to run more DOS, I suppose
lofty widget
some other good options are phial, afe, soleahs and sack (although it's worse cause no mainstat)
sick sentinel
bombs is cursed
it can apply to targets 50 yards away and that debuff causes aggro and can pull extra shit your not trying to
pallid fox
I just leveled my phial to 272 to match my soleahs. Might level my AFE. Maybe that's better as a tank than DPS because you have control of the mobs
sick sentinel
proof of cursed bombs
lofty widget
just use another trinket or dont target mobs you dont want combat with
sonic crag
Can someone explain to me how to get 80%+ uptime on Banner? What talents/soulbinds/conduits/gear interactions make this possible?
jagged pier
step 1
play correctly
if u arent getting 80+ uptime u aren tplaying correctly
literally that simple
near pewter
Can someone explain to me how to get 80%+ uptime on Banner? What talents/soulbin...
Using reprisal and Booming voice will help a lot
sonic crag
I appreciate the quick response, but I don't think a lvl 60 with no gear, no talents selected, and just choosing Necrolord covenant can achieve this
jagged pier
if you have logs we can take a look see waht your doing wrong
sonic crag
I'm wanting to understand how it works, which interactions reduce the CD on Banner?
jagged pier
nothing reduces the cd
near pewter
spending rage extends the duration
strong forum
you increase the banner duration through unity legendary
lofty widget
you have glory that increases banner duration when you spend rage
jagged pier
u just extend the duration
strong forum
its not CDR
its extension of the buff through spending rage
and to spend rage you have to generate rage
sonic crag
Ah that makes sense. And we dump rage with Revenge or IP? Just for the sake of spending it and keeping the Banner up?
median tulip
and execute if it's available
sonic crag
Thank you. I will have to play this later. Is it worth running Necro in keys this week (US) being Necrotic? Kyrian Phial is a huge QoL for Necrotic
strong forum
kyrian is not needed
median tulip
Necrotic is a joke of an affix
strong forum
this is generally how your casts breakdown will look like in pure ST
to get 100% banner
lofty widget
where execute
lofty widget
oh right
strong forum
no execute on dummy
as ive recommended previously, the best practice to get is just slap a dummy and try to keep up banner as long as you can
its the ultimate benchmark to get started
sonic crag
necrotic is a non-affix for us
is this because we always have Shield Block and IP up?
lofty widget
because we mitigate so much the healing debuff is negligeble
the mobs will die before we do
even without healing
sonic crag
Thanks. I'm coming from Blood DK, so the self-sustain on warrior feels weak.
dawn canyon
BDK hps 
BDK dam intake 
sonic crag
BDk have 30 runic power can pull another pack
lofty widget
and if warrior has charge we can pull another pack as well
hazy edge
Thanks. I'm coming from Blood DK, so the self-sustain on warrior feels weak.
Think of it like this, on my bdk I was taking 120k autos on average from the Jailer (pre-nerf). Sense was taking 43k. The upfront damage that pwars take is waaaaaaaay less than bdk
boreal fox
/
median tulip
and as a plus point you don't give your healer a heart attack every second second :P
hazy edge
So you don't need to be healing a ton if you are taking very little damage.
As long as you're able to keep high uptime on blocked hits, and manage your cds well, you basically don't need to be healed outside of hots or huge tank nukes that drop you very low.
median tulip
When you realise that we have Fleshcraft, Ignore Pain, Shield Wall, Avatar, Demo Shout, Shield Block and (for magic) Spell Reflect... we actually don't take that much damage in the first place
hazy edge
^
median tulip
Avatar alone is a 20% damage reduction with at least a 50% uptime
strong forum
10
that being said during avatar we have like 24.7% total mitigation
cuz 15% baseline
median tulip
oh, typo
strong forum
hardy ridge
how many prot warrs have gotten ce this tier
median tulip
But physical damage for us is laughable anyway. 50% from armour, then 33% from block
pallid fox
Think of it like this, on my bdk I was taking 120k autos on average from the Jai...
I'm assuming thats with SB up AND IP?
sonic crag
I'm not a CE raider. I got AOTC and now I'm pusing for 3K+ io
strong forum
how many prot warrs have gotten ce this tier
like 10 or so
hazy edge
I'm assuming thats with SB up AND IP?
most likely.
strong forum
tbf
dawn canyon
prolly some unlogged
hardy ridge
yeah theres 15 pwarr parses on LOD and 1900 bdk
jagged pier
i mean thats more down to the raid being one of the hardest
strong forum
its also down to only chads playing whatever they want
instead of being betas and rerolling bdk/brew
that being said
only pwar bdk and brew could tank pre-nerf jailer
other tanks wouldn't have been able to tank his melees
hardy ridge
prot pal and veng couldnt tank jailer pre nerf? damn didn't know
strong forum
veng absolutely not
hardy ridge
haha
strong forum
they could only live jailer after his first melee nerf
undone verge
can someone explain to me why logs dont work for a prot warrior?
strong forum
?
undone verge
like logs are just innacurate
strong forum
?
undone verge
vs skolex 3 minute
dawn canyon
5 min patchewerk
strong forum
you only sim patchwerk
undone verge
still
strong forum
anything else is inaccurate
undone verge
patchwork is 10.5k
strong forum
yes
dawn canyon
nice
strong forum
so?
median tulip
all sims are, by definition, inaccurate
undone verge
my skolex kill is 11.8
strong forum
yes
median tulip
You will never match the output of your sim
median tulip
The whole point of boss mechanics is to stop them from being patchwerk
strong forum
the longer your execute phase
the more dmg you will do more than your sim
simple as that
you cant sim a longer execute phase
youd have to write a new model
where the sim boss does slower sub 20
in a 5min sim you only get like 30sec of execute
when you had 30sec of execute in a 3min fight
sims are an estimate
or in some cases theyre so perfectly written that theyre better than whats humanly possible, but that takes some serious fucking man hours
undone verge
wouldnt there be a longer execute phase in a 3 minute patchwork than the kill? Since the kill had 30 seconds of execute which is 16% of the fight and a patchwork would be around 20%?
strong forum
that depends entirely on your group how long your execute will be
undone verge
it looks like there were actually 43 seconds of execute, which is 23% of the fight but I dont see how 5 extra seconds of the fight could account for a disparity of 1.3k dps
strong forum
idk what you want me to tell you
sims are an estimate
due to the nature of us being an execute class, that dmg will vary alot depending on killtime
for example armswar sims not even 16k
yet theres arms wars doing 20k on jailer
demo lock only sims 17.6k
but they can pump out over 23k
feral only sims 16k, but yours did 24.5k
kill time matters ALOT
undone verge
he also had PI for the entire fight
viral wasp
hey guys i'm new to prot war and i saw some pro players in RIO using Ashen juggernaut conduit in M+ and i don't understand why? can someone explain to me? is it better than adptative armor?
strong forum
AJ is your 3rd potency
and execute is a large portion of your dmg especially during tyra weeks
Cov > AAP > AJ or SoF(is decent overall dmg for fort and small snap threat helper)
viral wasp
Got it, basically: Tyrr = AJ / Fort = SoF
viral wasp
Ty man
strong forum
execute is our niche
topaz field
if both are off cd do i use revenge over tc or tc over revenge if im (especially if i have a lot of rage)?
lofty widget
well that depends
topaz field
i always find hard to decide im talking about m+ btw
lofty widget
firstly, if SS is off cd you press that, otherwise if TC isnt gonna overcap you you press that
chrome falcon
yeah really depends on how much rage you have
lofty widget
welll
strong forum
in ST you prio TC for banner uptime
in aoe depends on how much rage youll gain soon
lofty widget
rather get 5 rage than revenge tbh
strong forum
if youre running SoF
you always TC
cuz then its equal dmg to revenge
if youre BSC, revenge will be ahead of TC again
it all depends on how much rage you have and will generate soon
but TC is fairly low prio
topaz field
ok thank u
im always trying not to press tc but at the same time i press it not often enough
strong forum
im using TC a fair bit but still not on CD
thats my dmg breakdown from my last halls for example
topaz field
i had 92 casts in a low 16 3 chest
strong forum
couldve played alot better but 14k is aight
topaz field
sounds quite few tbh
strong forum
thats 226 casts of TC vs 384 revenge
lofty widget
5 cpm seems to be what i hover around in m+
topaz field
i see i had 212 revenges
strong forum
was a long key
almost depleted
i hover around 7cpm of TC in keys
but im still quite bad, i underuse revenge a bit
topaz field
thanks for the answers
oh and another question i prio revenge over ip right?
in case i woul donly overcap ip
topaz field
well lets say i have 40 rage i would for sure prio revenge then right?
toxic pewter
hell yea brother
topaz field
roger
strong forum
aka 70 or higher
and ofc then depends on ravager, LS active, Outburst ready or not
avatar, demo ready or not
lots of ifs and lots of IP spam
median tulip
Avatar is the other thing to really pay attention to. Avatar is amazing.
patent osprey
someone who has connections with blizz, please let outburst stack. thanks
strong forum
patent osprey
madge at myself everytime I waste the stack
strong forum
i have the same issue
undone verge
someone who has connections with blizz, please let outburst stack. thanks
I hate that when I’m not paying attention and a revenge for a SS proc but end up using up an outburst
near pewter
I hate that when I’m not paying attention and a revenge for a SS proc but end up...
Doesnt outburst only consume on TC and SS?
undone verge
Wasting is a better word for it
median tulip
Doesnt outburst only consume on TC and SS?
He means having an outburst available but then overwriting it with another one. They don't stack, you see
It's a depressingly common occurrence, is munching an outburst
near pewter
So he is holding his Outburst proc but spending 240 rage to then overwrite it?
median tulip
No, he's getting one from Avatar
strong forum
if you are 30 rage away from outburst
and press avatar, but before you press your next TC or SS
you press an IP
you overwrite the outburst stack you gained from avatar
and essentially wasted an outburst proc
median tulip
Ideally you should always have Shield Slam ready to go when you hit Avatar
strong forum
its hard to get out of the habit of instantly sending avatar without checking your rage economy
median tulip
It's safe if you're on low Seeing Red stacks tho
median tulip
its hard to get out of the habit of instantly sending avatar without checking yo...
Indeed. Warrior tanking does require tracking a number of bits of info
patent osprey
or the most common is u finished the last pack with 7 stacks. U charge in and SB/IP and cast avatar RIP outburst
and hate ur life
potent anvil
Ideally I would track it and play properly...but I dont because I'm a monkey.
hazy edge
There's an Icon version linked in the description if you don't want a progress bar
Has all the same features/options/etc
potent anvil
Oh I track that. I mean waiting to use outburst before hitting avatar and overlapping it.
chrome falcon
unfortunately the weakaura doesn't fix the baseline issue that like
the tier is just bugged
but it's still useful
hazy edge
the tier is just bugged
It accounts for a lot of the bugs
strong forum
^
hazy edge
just not the 5 stack IP one
I haven't figured that one out yet
also haven't had too much time to dive into it
strong forum
it also doesnt work with resource cost reduction in torghast
but that doesnt matter
hazy edge
^
strong forum
its fucking torghast
potent anvil
My main issue is mostly outburst overlap. Which is rare, but I'm lazy. When avatar is up and I'm moving into a new pack I would just hit it and lose out the previous stack.
median tulip
Yeah, about that
chrome falcon
i want to alt f4 when i get the 5 stack bug and waste an outburst
sweet summit
wtf is the 5 stack bug
strong forum
its a very specific spot
if you need 80 rage to get to your next outburst, and you press IP, you get outburst
sweet summit
epic
urban portal
Building a weakaura for that
sick sentinel
its every 10 rage and Ip cost 30 or 40 right?
pretty sure you can get more than 1 SR from spending more rage
toxic pewter
wait how often is this bug occurring I didnt even realize this was happening
toxic pewter
interesting
sick sentinel
happens on 6 for me
toxic pewter
oh wow just happened on 6 for me also
wat the heck
I mean works for me I guess we getting outburst more often
sick sentinel
yes so its at 6 stacks whenever it attempts to go to 7 it goes to 8
toxic pewter
its just ignore pain that skips 7 tho right
weary lodge
its just ignore pain that skips 7 tho right
Probably, unless we were back in the day where execute could consume ALL of your rage.
That would be the ultimate outburst builder
sick sentinel
doesn't happen when you hit SB
weary lodge
doesn't happen when you hit SB
why would it? SB only consumes a set amount of rage.
weary lodge
err i think IP always uses the same doesnt it?
yeah, my bad, it does
toxic pewter
IP cost 35 rage
sick sentinel
well, thats a bug i didn't know i'd be making "creative use ofgame mechanics" to my advantage
hollow sun
is this thinket any good? got it from the weekly 
drifting fable
depends on what your other trinkets are
if you have absolutely nothing else sure, it gives strength so cant really hurt there
sick sentinel
is this thinket any good? got it from the weekly <:sadge:820202363359854633>
"their mind shatters"
hollow sun
if you have absolutely nothing else sure, it gives strength so cant really hurt ...
yeah pretty much
drifting fable
i mean what are you currently running?
that ability is a long ass cd and it wont help you in alot of situations
hollow sun
i mean what are you currently running?
So its much better. I was just wondering about the effect, never saw that thinket
drifting fable
fair enough, that 272 will be better than that garbo
median tulip
So its much better. I was just wondering about the effect, never saw that thinke...
Pulsating Stoneheart is one of the worst trinkets ever designed
cobalt seal
hollow sun
<:literallytrash:752422340150820914>
sick sentinel
i'd use those if i got them maybe
im willing to try out just about any of em, love trinkets
sick sentinel
So its much better. I was just wondering about the effect, never saw that thinke...
this man has had the worst possible trinkets for a long time
hollow sun
this man has had the worst possible trinkets for a long time <:sadge:82020236335...
yeah, i'm always unlucky with drops
sick sentinel
new/returning? You can do it, if i can do it anybody can do it, set your loot to DPS and run PF for phial, or spires for anime field emitter, gambit for secret, or this raid or last for old warrior soul (one other i cant think of) want to say elegy and something else this raid
median tulip
Shard of Anhylde's Aegis
is the other one from SoD
and Sigil of the First Ones from SotFO
sick sentinel
what about the one thats the glory yellow golden eyeball thing titanic ocular gland from "the 9" boss
that gives a whole whack of haste
i'm doing more testing on ZM rares about the "5 SR IP bug and its very consistent now, 6 stacks hit IP > OB
chrome falcon
man jailer is boring now
dude hits like a chump
(then the last hit of tank combo kills me through scale 
)
safe thistle
Weak
hazy bronze
what about ~~the one thats the glory yellow golden eyeball thing~~ titanic ocula...
Problem is you can lose haste depending on healer :kekw:
toxic pewter
Hope Dragonflight dungeons are good especially after shadowlands (worst dungeons ever introduced in all of wow’s history)
toxic pewter
Truly the worst expansion dungeons
safe thistle
only 4 new dungeons
toxic pewter
Gonna be 8
safe thistle
at release 4
toxic pewter
Only 4 in mythic plus rotation tho
safe thistle
ahh
toxic pewter
Either way, shadowlands story and dungeons so awful. Cannot wait to forget them to history
safe thistle
dungeons aint bad
toxic pewter
I cannot ever see anyone selecting chrome time for shadowlands dungeon leveling
Truly awful experiences
safe thistle
its not freehold though
toxic pewter
Even blizzard agrees, they are keeping bfa as the standard leveling experience going forward
It’s like shadowlands never happened and I don’t blame them
Cannot wait to forget this awful expansion
And I am not alone either
safe thistle
i think i will have mroe fun with the s4 fated stuff than the other one
toxic pewter
Ya because they are getting rid of 8 of these awful dungeons that nobody likes
safe thistle
at least we get some kind of bonus roll back with the token
toxic pewter
Everyone cannot wait for shadowlands to be forgotten to history
Never heard of a single person say omg I can’t wait to come back to shadowlands and spend time in oribos in the future LOL
safe thistle
i was hyped for shadowland at first i, i was like cool we will see uther mograine arthas, varyan....... ya right they screwed up big time
toxic pewter
Imagine ever returning to oribos
Oribos the biggest disgrace of a city they ever made
It’s a symbol of just how shitty shadowlands is
safe thistle
its an hub
safe thistle
best was bfa alliance one forgot the name
toxic pewter
People in here hate on me so much they gonna come in and defend oribos LOL 😂
safe thistle
the only good thing about oribos is the orgrimmar portal
toxic pewter
Lots of oribos likers in here that’s for sure
Incoming “lol get fukt orbibos owns” “de other side is an achievement of epic proportions” “how dare you belittle mists of turns scythe the maze is a work of art omg lololol”
“The circular nature of oribos is a play on the life and death cycle that is the shadowlands itself, you simply just do not understand how deep the hub city is”
LOL
scenic mural
You act like 90% of the time youre in here isn’t just trolling for interaction lmao
dawn canyon
People in here hate on me so much they gonna come in and defend oribos LOL 😂
its not personal its just your shit take on codex
🤷
safe thistle
it work and its entertaining
dawn canyon
oribos is meh
safe thistle
lol
dawn canyon
mailboxes are incredibly inconviently placed
toxic pewter
Na @dawn canyon I can say anything and you’ll come in and just say the opposite. You’re a troll
Don’t at me ever again
toxic pewter
You act like 90% of the time youre in here isn’t just trolling for interaction l...
Nah, anything I say immediately labeled a troll because you are too weak to produce any rebuttals
dawn canyon
fried
scenic mural
There it is
toxic pewter
I can say the sky is blue and you’ll come in and say I’m a troll. I’m offended
sage yacht
Na <@653287531038900236> I can say anything and you’ll come in and just say the ...
????????????
scenic mural
You obviously come in here looking for the human interaction you lack IRL.
sage yacht
phil is so nice and always gives advice
idk what youre on about
im a fucking troll yes
but phil is always nice
scenic mural
Apb id the discord troll lol
toxic pewter
But I don’t talk to you like this
sage yacht
send me some screens and ill believe you mate but phil is so nice
toxic pewter
Just read up? I say my opinions and immediately just called a troll for no reason
dawn canyon
provide evidence
toxic pewter
Name calling, rude interactions
toxic pewter
its not personal its just your shit take on codex
This is evidence, says my opinions are shit? I dont speak like that to anyone
How dare you
Just leave me alone if you don’t have anything constructive to say
sage yacht
having dumb takes and bringing them like they the shit and they real can only misguide people if thats what phil means
dawn canyon
because that discussion has been had
codex is proven as meh and i dont need to elaborate
toxic pewter
I don’t even bring up codex
I’m now talking about how I cannot wait for shadowlands to be forgotten to history
dawn canyon
please contact the moderators and have me banned for excessive toxicity and rude behaviour
toxic pewter
I shall not
sage yacht
considering you said shadowlands dungeons were the worst dungeons in the history of this game i can understand why phil would disagree with you
toxic pewter
Well yeah they are
dawn canyon
Grim batol
dawn canyon
maraudon
toxic pewter
It’s similar to codex situation
toxic pewter
Shadowlands dungeons are the worst. That is fact.
dawn canyon
end time is meh
toxic pewter
If you disagree you are just wrong
dawn canyon
mainly baine
MOP gate n siege are iffy
wod is a mess
legion good
bfa good except toldagor/siege
toxic pewter
The fact is simple, when the day comes and we are in Dragonflight, never again will I set foot in oribos or voluntarily into these awful sterile boring sad dungeons
Even blizzard knows it
toxic pewter
They dropped shadowlands at the drop of the hat
toxic pewter
Tazavesh is decent I’ll give you that
But the rest will all be forgotten
Sad assortment of sterile boring heaps of trash
dawn canyon
speaking of little i did mecha HM with a friend last week they got mount its my turn this time
sage yacht
pog
toxic pewter
Nice
toxic pewter
Interesting
sage yacht
phil do you have mechagon peacekeeper
toxic pewter
Phil has it all
dawn canyon
i did not get anythign from the island yet
dawn canyon
