should delete the file we can't verify what's in it if someone downloads it
#protection
opal salmon
virus inbound
stray lichen
right
opal salmon
i was working with USMC on it, he improved his SB uptime and ignore pain. DPS a lil low but i think its cause lack of ravager
and shockwave use a lil low
scenic mural
Yogi you are farminf valor for trinkets like meat hook. Complete waste of your time
sick sentinel
that's last thing I want to upgrading atm
scenic mural
But any valor at all, used on any of those trinkets, is a waste. You say you want to test them, theyve been tested youre not reinventing the wheel
chrome falcon
Yeah those SS casts are way too low
sick sentinel
mostly was for afe and phial, that's finished now
vast majority of points went into those
chrome falcon
Last stand casts too low
Should be on CD during banner
Ravager casts so low you might as well not run it
Less than one demo shout per minute
Intervene casts are actually pretty good
But that’s irrelevant compared to everything else being so low
Press your buttons more
chrome falcon
and shockwave use a lil low
Shockwave use is a very bizarre thing to look at
Compared to just not generating anywhere near enough rage or defensive value
Also very low SR casts
That’s one of your best spells
opal salmon
ya i sent him a nice WA to announce when hes being targeted so that'll help with that
but shockwave is also a nice interrupt and fill
but i agree with the rest
especially on gambit
stray lichen
ok I will definitly work on that stuff but it makes since why i struggle in higher keys if everything is that low
sick sentinel
Press your buttons more
I feel like that needs to be pin message in big bold letters
sick sentinel
seems like every single player come here exact same thing, hut your damn buttons
chrome falcon
But your absolute biggest priority is reacting to shield slam procs
You used 40 outbursts on TC
And 53 on shield slam
It should be more like 80 on shield slam
And 20 on TC
stray lichen
ok
chrome falcon
The only thing that matters on this class
Is generating rage
And spending rage
If you press revenge over shield slam
You’re fucking up the first one
If you miss a ravager cast you’re fucking up the first one
And if you outburst on TC instead of SS then you really fucked up the first one
And then you use revenge/IP to spend rage
stray lichen
so should I go back to anger management instead of heavy repercussions
drifting fable
yes you should always use AM
avatar generates a lot of rage
and free outburst
pretty much plays right into the tier
reprisal is more than enough to have good SB uptime
stray lichen
ok
warm plinth
Is there a known bug with Intervene (or something else prot war-related) on Dealer in DOS that causes the lightning to split?
undone verge
Is there a known bug with Intervene (or something else prot war-related) on Deal...
nothing I know of
warm plinth
Hrm, okay. We did a 23 DOS last night and we wiped on Dealer because we somehow ended up with two arcane lightnings; someone said it was a prot warrior thing. Tank went out of his way to make sure not to intervene anyone getting lightning the next run and it was fine.
ionic fern
Oh my, Ghash is here - what is this, 2019?
warm plinth
Oh my, Ghash is here - what is this, 2019?
Hi qtpie
undone verge
Anyone know how long it takes for parses to lock in?
warm plinth
Not very. Usually a matter of minutes.
undone verge
But like lock in and award all star points and stuff
strong forum
To full lock in it takes a couple days, unless it's done just before reset
echo egret
Sigh, inspiring necrotic next week...
meager quail
Yikes, maybe next week isn't the week I'll learn to play warrior.
lofty widget
it's a pretty good week to learn tbh
meager quail
In theory I get where you're coming from, but as somebody who has never played melee let alone tanked (and only dinged 60 yesterday) those feel like daunting affixes
blazing condor
Which of them is supposed to be the "*sigh*" part?
yes
dps players cry too much about spiteful
it really aint that bad
dawn canyon
It is shit as melee
strong forum
It's awful as melee
blazing condor
it is
dawn canyon
Those fucks oneshot me for no reason
strong forum
It's not hard but extremely unfun
brittle owl
they one shot you to remind you to go back to tanking
blazing condor
but they talking about it like its an inevitability to survive and that you're always expected to die 10+ times in a dg
brittle owl
dawn canyon
They scale with key level
brittle owl
range is superior dps anyway
dawn canyon
Melee is more fun for me personally
)
brittle owl
nah, shaman is tight af
dawn canyon
I dislike inspiring
ionic fern
I just want one dungeon where all the thrash casts bolts of damage on everyone else but the tank so that the DPS'ers would learn to interrupt finally.
ionic fern
But i bet they would be like "OH NO, SHIT DUNGEON, CASTING ON EVERYONE BUT TANK".
ionic fern
your just supposed to burst that mob
I tried it in a Mists 17 yesterday. It died last on both pulls.
Notice i said "both pulls". Since there were only 2 pulls before the lowest DPS left.
jagged pier
blazing condor
id rather die and deplete than CC an inspired mob and pull away
dawn canyon
I said i was gonna hex mender in soa first pull as shaman
Turns out i forgot it's the other guy that's inspired
blazing condor
and thats why u dont play anymore
crisp dragon
Haven't played wow in so long now either, I tried at the beginning of this month, couldn't even get past setting up my UI
dawn canyon
Show ui 
jagged pier
Show ui <:peepostudy:617259554530656262>
blazing condor
dawn canyon
jagged pier
i mean not like mines private anyways
dawn canyon
Given up on yours tbh
jagged pier
dont like a lot of the newer stuff tbh
apart for bartender probs going back to default in DF as ui update coming
dawn canyon
yea elvui n stuff are just such a hassle till they look remotely good
jagged pier
no like i dont really like the look tbh like i tried SUI and stuff i dunno just wasnt a fan
🤷
boomer stuck in his ways i suppose
jagged pier
dawn canyon
well theoretically you can replicate most things with shadowed unit frames
but im not sure if they support different bar textures
if they dont then 🚮
sick sentinel
id rather die and deplete than CC an inspired mob and pull away
spires boss 1 pre boss trash would like a word with you
doesn't really go so well if it's not ccd, giant casts bunch of fist and then your all dead
blazing condor
simply just kill everyone before the first rebellious fist then
blazing condor
download more ram
sick sentinel
dedditated wam
strong forum
Dedidaded wam
sick sentinel
I'm on 32gb ram, I feel like it's overkill
blazing condor
been playing elden ring and it loads in stuff into the world so slow i sometimes just straight up walk past a boss or tough enemy cus, well, it just isn't there
then i go back the same way i came and get banzai'd
jagged pier
I recently upgraded from 2133mhz32gb to 3.6k mhz 32gb
my new pc will have 32 
sick sentinel
my PC is just simply 32gb 2666 3700x 2070
bunch of hard drives n shi, nothing special
last me till end of df
strong forum
I'm set for the foreseeable future
blazing condor
what about the unforseeable future
strong forum
blazing condor
sick sentinel
prepare for unforseen consequences
blazing condor
if we don't study the mistakes of the future we're bound to repeat them for the first time
sick sentinel
.... time? doctor freeman? is it really that... time again.....
jagged pier
if we don't study the mistakes of the future we're bound to repeat them for the ...
i think u got the state of time wrong there 🤔
blazing condor
time is a social construct
sick sentinel
time is a social construct
time does not exist, time is not real, if humans had not invented time I wouldn't be late https://youtu.be/yrOtyIl1rMY
night oracle
guys
im being stalked no joke
have u had someone u never knew literally looked up ur battle tag and add u ?
dawn canyon
yes
sick sentinel
I've had people in this chat pull up logs for lfr I'm doing moments after i finish it lol
don't believe it's all being automatically uploaded
sick sentinel
I found it a bit creepy and unnerving though that just anyone can pull up your random shit at a whim
ionic fern
🤔
That's a weird take on an online video game character whose name you've shared publicly.
dawn canyon
I found it a bit creepy and unnerving though that just anyone can pull up your r...
our tank linking kicks for the run and he has 50 when we have like 10
ppaladin is something man
sick sentinel
sorta like of all the drivers on the road could look up your crash history
ionic fern
They can look up a vehicles crash history.
night oracle
im both feeling shocked and spoiled at the same time
coz recently
i been pushing keys like crazy
ionic fern
Not yours.
night oracle
and literally everyone hit me up
ionic fern
and literally everyone hit me up
That's a lie - i diddn't hit you up.
night oracle
the "friends" approaching huhw
sick sentinel
yeah that will happen if you are good and we'll mannered people will remember and talk about you, and so you will get faster invites and better groups
night oracle
actually thats what happening to me
i guess i worked for that really
tho im just performing my best
dawn canyon
i suppose it depends on the key level
sick sentinel
you could do all healing dmg Interupts and whatever as paladin and be an arsehole, and they tell their guild you also demand sword and trinket and tell everyone they suck, So they avoid you.
dawn canyon
i had someone add me and i figure out who it was after like 3 times
sick sentinel
I ignore 90% of messages, even the positive ones in key
only really type if there is I portant like looking at screen tornadoes adds theater (farming it for an axe) or save dr cds for pull right before that 2 casters and soul stormer
that pack is very efficient at deleted'ing pugs rn
surreal pollen
man i am so shite at prot. seems infinitely harder than faceroll paladin
is it possible or even the target to keep shield block up 100%?
ionic fern
is it possible or even the target to keep shield block up 100%?
Is it possible? - With Reprisal , HR and proper play depending on the content , near 100% effective SB up-time is possible.
ionic fern
Depends a lot on the content and your group members.
lime urchin
And you will perfectly able to do nice keys while only hitting 75-80%
sick sentinel
dont NEED 100% block in a 15... probably helps
sick sentinel
i dunno, that sounds like pass to me
ionic fern
So what you're telling me is that you are challenging me to do a weekly +15 with Never Surrender and never pressing SB?
dawn canyon
andybrew did this pf22 yesterday
but he had 226 korthia anima gear
and 236 tier
and a 259 jaithys instead of 285 gavel
still did 10k overall 
strong forum
Cursed
craggy pilot
Whirlwind 4th lol 😂
balmy canyon
Is whirlwind really a better button than revenge in m+?
sick sentinel
2 more 15's and i'm 3/3 278
lime urchin
Is whirlwind really a better button than revenge in m+?
No and don’t keybind it
dawn canyon
if you look at that details ss
sick sentinel
ret or holy pala i run with say "horde so much better than alliance, i only run 4 mythics this week because the groups suck, and you guys renew my faith"
dawn canyon
its below melee
balmy canyon
No and don’t keybind it
Thats what I thought but I'm much more of a raid warrior than a m+ warrior
undone verge
its below melee
But why is it in there in the first place
dawn canyon
meme run
undone verge
One day I hope a 22 can be considered a meme run for me
sick sentinel
damn, nobody has any theatre 15's going RN, really want to do it again for axe
dawn canyon
meme runs
undone verge
lmao that ww
dawn canyon
they offered to log main but it was fine as is
sick sentinel
opc?
dawn canyon
gearing alts 
sick sentinel
and only 2 piece
dawn canyon
alt
dawn canyon
untimed 10
sick sentinel
2 words: teleport section and a 1 legendary shaman
strong forum
I've had an almost depleted mists 10 this season
That was cursed
Me with 14k dps, rest of the group like 2-3k
Actually cursed
I had to solo the maze :(
wild hemlock
look at that double chested 15 big yog
strong forum
Banner got scuffed
narrow fog
Me with 14k dps, rest of the group like 2-3k
Don't pug, kids
strong forum
Commas are important
naive phoenix
Tbf he’s prob pugging kids
narrow fog
Commas are important
Fixed
@strong forum do you sometimes wish you main dps when you are #1 dmg as tank?
strong forum
Hell no
strong forum
I'd rather be the tank with bad dps players than a dps player with a bad tank
narrow fog
I'd rather be the tank with bad dps players than a dps player with a bad tank
Hmm. Interesting
strong forum
Which is how most of tanks got into the role of playing tank
narrow fog
Every good dps player is only some time away from going tank
dawn canyon
naowh was main dps
strong forum
Tired of others playing it poorly, so you play it poorly yourself instead
jagged pier
why would i wont to be a good dps and die all the time to aggro because a tank is bad and cant hold aggro
when i can be tank and top dps
sick sentinel
el depleto stirkes again
dawn canyon
yep
narrow fog
Ben aka darkee aka lightee was dps main
The guy from limit?
strong forum
Ya
sick sentinel
nah, its when you see the keyboard turning tank asking which way to go and what killed him
dawn canyon
raid tanking aint it
strong forum
The best raid tanks, are the ones who also tank m+
dawn canyon
i raided CN on my ppal completely green and no idea what i was doing
good times
dbm say taunt i taunt
strong forum
There's lots of raid tanks who only do weekly keys at best
jagged pier
i dont even like doing weekly keys
dawn canyon
btw gg we gonna do some more keys today?
strong forum
i dont even like doing weekly keys
Ya but you atleast know how to deal dmg
Most raid tanks don't
sick sentinel
dbm say taunt i taunt
go do halandrous and dbm will agressively yell at you TAUNT NOW 😠 every few seconds
narrow fog
Most raids seem to be dps checks
meager quail
Tired of others playing it poorly, so you play it poorly yourself instead
This is exactly why I'm here
cobalt seal
Most raids seem to be dps checks
What fight are DPS checks NOW
undone verge
Morning gang what I miss
Don’t press whirlwind
toxic pewter
Don’t press whirlwind
Noted
I don’t have ww on my bar
Revenge just better in every way basically
Unless running that one legendary
undone verge
Yeah
jagged pier
nope revenge still better with siesmic
undone verge
How to not rip threat from co tank
narrow fog
How to not rip threat from co tank
Remove execute from bars.
undone verge
But before that
undone verge
Noted
lofty widget
Tell your Co tank to get better
dark lark
Raid tanking on prog is fun at least, on farm you just want to blow your brains out
strong forum
For me it's the other way around
Prog raiding is shit cuz you're 99%of the time just waiting for your raid to get their shit together
brittle owl
raid tanking is fun fuck off to other roles
narrow fog
Raid tanking on prog is fun at least, on farm you just want to blow your brains ...
Wait, you guys don't want to blow your brains out all the time?
🙂
dark lark
I guess it depends on the intensity of the boss for the tanks
brittle owl
how bout
strong forum
Until raid is finally over
brittle owl
a good mix
undone verge
Sire denathrius is both the most frustrating tank fight and the most fun
brittle owl
so you can game and also banter
strong forum
Banter is what makes raiding somewhat survivable
dark lark
Like one of my favorite fights to tank was p3 Painsmith last tier
Having to be quick with the decision to either Soulshape or call for BOP
My guild never got to Sire but by all accounts it's a fun and really difficult boss to tank
ocean yoke
it wasnt a super tough fight but i liked remnant with the beams
toxic pewter
Back in vanilla me and my rogue friend would be in a different voice server and just talk shit about our guild the entire time LOL
undone verge
Cant relate, I had to play fury
dark lark
it wasnt a super tough fight but i liked remnant with the beams
When you cleared 3 orbs at once it's like hng
undone verge
Halondrus feels like remnant on steroids
Especially when your pug tank has no clue what they’re doing and you have to clear every single orb
toxic pewter
Ya I won’t lie when I first tried heroic Halondrus when it first came out I messed up and got really embarrassed 😔
dark lark
One of the worst fights to tank was fucking Ilgynoth with the 3 tank strat (don't ask, I hated that RL and his strats)
Me and one of the other co tanks were literally visiting each others' islands in Animal Crossing during Ilgynoth prog
toxic pewter
Lol
undone verge
3 tank vigilant guardian vibes
dark lark
Deadass doing literally nothing
toxic pewter
Have news from my cousin who works at blizzard. Dragonflight alpha starts this week
ocean yoke
Have news from my cousin who works at blizzard. Dragonflight alpha starts this w...
its true, my dad is thrall
undone verge
its true, my dad is thrall
Same
toxic pewter
Don’t be rude
fallow osprey
Same
toxic pewter
My cousin is on the team. She is that one that was in the Dragonflight announcement video
You remember that one
ocean yoke
im just confirming it thats all
toxic pewter
Your dad don’t work there admit it
undone verge
My dad actually works at Microsoft
ocean yoke
the warchief works for no one
undone verge
In 1 year you’re all banned
wintry nymph
My nephew owns blizzard, they say diablo immortal was the best thing they ever released
narrow fog
its true, my dad is thrall
Green Jayzeus
toxic pewter
My nephew owns blizzard, they say diablo immortal was the best thing they ever r...
well they did make 24 million dollars in 2 weeks, so I will say that is a pretty solid move they made from a revenue standpoint
granted they cashed in hard on player goodwill toward blizzard which is basically at historical lows anyway tho
toxic pewter
Ya but 24 mil in 2 weeks is legit
If they make 40 mil a month they will make a billion pretty quick
In couple years
Wow also has made billions
You guys think there’ll ever be a wow 2
ionic fern
sick sentinel
watch it be choice between blade kit, organ and technique now
modern brook
Wow 2 is already developed
Circa 2007
They've been trying to kill the game for 15 years
So they can rerelease it on nostalgia
meager quail
So classic then?
modern brook
Classic was a bid to remind you that the games bad and always has been bad
Or to split the player base Makin both games unplayable
Almost worked too
queen bobcat
To full lock in it takes a couple days, unless it's done just before reset
I know I'm late on this one but lock in is 7:00 UTC each day.
median tulip
Classic was a bid to remind you that the games bad and always has been bad
I logged into Classic and lasted about 10 minutes before I left again. The Retail game has improved
sick sentinel
the players have not, many STILL dont know what a void zone or interupt is
cobalt seal
watch it be choice between blade kit, organ and technique now
Why would you Open as prot
sick sentinel
Why would you Open as prot
278 shield
drifting juniper
guys
anyone knows the name of that website that you can calculate how much damage you take from an ability in m+
i used to use it in seasone 1
you can enter your stats etc
dawn canyon
thats seems unnessicary
chrome falcon
yeah why do you need to do that
sick sentinel
ohhhhh i know what you are talking about and it exists but no idea the name
i know exactly what your talking about, you aren't losing your mind to memory gaps
drifting juniper
yeah i checked it, its old
sick sentinel
so, you click the ablities that you expect to have active, and it shows you the damage you'll take from a signature dungeon ability thats a pug deleter, ppl that havent seen it yet
still shows SW 40% lol
dawn canyon
i mean you take different amounts of damage anyways cuz key level n shit
chrome falcon
maybe if you're doing like
dawn canyon
mhm now i know curse of explode does 37k when i eat it on a 15 tyrea
chrome falcon
31s trying to figure out exactly how much damage your group is taking from unavoidable aoe
dawn canyon
chrome falcon
but totally useless for a tank
pallid quiver
I could see use in high level keys if it scales if you're heavily pre-planning CD use, like with unavoidable AoE like you mentioned, but in dungeon packs in general things can be a little too RNG/Spikey/Less scripted to have some of this info be really useful. Like, the main thing it can for sure tell you is "don't pull these mobs together" which you can figure out by going "ow that hurt"
i guess there's worse things to have atm, though; would rather have that than an IP Tracker at the moment
strong forum
It's a good to know for squishy classes in the high end levels
"how many defensives and how much hp do I need to survive this to not get 1shot"
@slim zinc made a nice spreadsheet to calculate some of the 1shot mechanics
Very useful for priests for example
slim zinc
Hiya
Just heal us numbers isn't updated for this patch last I checked
Also it's very useful when hpriests kinda dies without avoidance/vers investment at 24 tyr already
sick sentinel
but totally useless for a tank
well, totally useless maybe not, still a number you can punch into an equation
pallid quiver
I'd say just soulstone yourself like my usual solution for my long time clothie, but, uh
warlock supremacy i guess
chrome falcon
well, totally useless maybe not, still a number you can punch into an equation
it's definitely useless for tanking
iron forge
hello. didnt tank on my warr for more than 10 years. so no idea what is happenig. for m+ keys 15-16's what trinkets should i aim for ? and stats prio are haste-vers?
chrome falcon
haste > other stats but doesn't really matter
all the trinkets suck
phial/sack/soleahs
urban portal
iron forge
hm..okie. I am going with first techinque and blood spattered. so i guess i should go more with dps ones
chrome falcon
first technique is terrible
and even worse in a 15
but terrible no matter where you are
iron forge
i have a variety to pick from i can list them here . if u can pick for me would be awesome
undone verge
List em
grave crane
just grab a phial and a sack realistically proper play of the class will be more beneficial than trinkets. but phial sack, phial scale
iron forge
Deacnter,Elegy,Earthbreaker,Solea Secret techinque, Sack of terror, anima filed emiter, Viscera.Phial,Slimy organ,OWS
since i am sucking at rotation and threat i think i need sth on use to help me in bad situations at beggining at least
iron forge
they all 262 and raids ones hc versions
chrome falcon
ok sack/phial for damage
iron forge
also why on guide suggest necro for keys as well? i think kyrian would do more dmg and sustain more aoe threat with spear
chrome falcon
you would be wrong then
kyrian is more burst aoe on pull
but necro is more dps overall
however if you suck then you should play kyrian
necro multiplies your dps because it gives you stats
mighty valley
the total stat gain on banner is just wild
chrome falcon
kyrian gives you a big nuke
so if you're bad at the class you won't get anything from necro
and big spear is fine
mighty valley
burst threat isn't even a problem since the threat buffs
chrome falcon
but necro is better
iron forge
talent should i go AM or Heavy repercussions?
mighty valley
it's been unpopular for a while and it got a real bad perception problem this patch/expansion
but that's fine, being the rare underdog is fun
median tulip
is that accurate for m+?
Ashen Juggernaut, not SoF
iron forge
Ashen do more dmg from SoF in aoe?
vestal moat
Hey all starting to try to push more as prot. Can someone look at my +20 gambit log and tell me if there's anything glaring.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/XzrNHyKC2bgJmDd1#fight=1&type=summary&source=1
median tulip
Ashen do more dmg from SoF in aoe?
Ashen J is amazing; it's how you make bad DPS cry
jagged pier
Hey all starting to try to push more as prot. Can someone look at my +20 gambit ...
minor
1)
wrong conduit, ashen is better than show of force,
MAjor
- nearly 10% wasted rage
- 73% blocked hits when it should be 80% at least
- using outburst on TC far to much
- low CPM
vestal moat
ty how do i track my messed up outburst
median tulip
Hey all starting to try to push more as prot. Can someone look at my +20 gambit ...
You don't use Intervene enough
vestal moat
I agree with that one for sure. I need a weakaura to loudly alert me when its off cd, in case anyone has lol.
lofty widget
charge/intervene more, you also only cast fear once, use it as a pseudo aoe interrupt on all those nasty caster packs
or to get easy distance between mobs to charge more
same with shockwave tbh
median tulip
You should use your Highmountain racial more as well
vestal moat
ty ty ty
chrome falcon
ty how do i track my messed up outburst
damage done -> click on the little outburst icon
just below the timeline graph
waxen orbit
Someone pin that
jagged pier
u want it on event as well
sick sentinel
not quite the axe im seeking, but its purple
ocean yoke
is booming voice a must to go or can we change to best served cold also
personal pref for keys, raid always BV
chrome falcon
Exact same stuff I said earlier
SS cpm should be at least 10
11 ravager casts
In 33 minutes
Should be 40+
Also why did you only cast 6 taunts
It’s not gonna increase your dps obviously but
You’re just begging for aggro problems
You only kicked 6 times too
You only cast LS 7 times so you missed at least 3
Only 10 executes
stray lichen
i normally only taunt if i lose aggro
chrome falcon
Sure I mean if that’s working then whatever
It’s very minor compared to uh
Literally everything else
stray lichen
ok i feel like im hitting SS everytime it procs or is up so is there something else i need to do
stray lichen
7 sec
chrome falcon
ok
so without procs
you should be able to cast it 8.5 times per minute
you're not even at 8
so you are missing a ton of casts
also if you're only casting ravager 11 times per key
it's not even worth running
you REALLY need to focus on that ravager is super important
i'm curious to see your UI if you don't mind sharing
sick sentinel
i normally only taunt if i lose aggro
i read here at some point i think using taunt also inceases threat through damage dealt by 400% (while the taunt lasts, very short, like 4 seconds), so thats a good time to use empowered SS
cobalt seal
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Q7atmPfG6qN4JTxH/#fight=last&type=auras
Looks like your hands are having too much free time. You should have about 20-30CPM more
Gotta press those buttons
sick sentinel
good idea and practice to taunt on starting combat when you charge on main target
stray lichen
how do you share the UI
sick sentinel
the site is wago io, just google wago
sick sentinel
am i making that up about extra threat on taunt? i'm pretty sure it was a thing
stray lichen
chrome falcon
ok so you can see your ravager cooldown
so yeah
you need to just press that
it's one of your best buttons
chrome falcon
uh
binds are personal preference
but
- what is your execute bound to? i can't see it anywhere
- you have hamstring on 6 which is a spell you can literally unbind
hazy edge
1) what is your execute bound to? i can't see it anywhere
c-3, next to healthstones
chrome falcon
- i would personally put your kick on something easier to press than shift 4
sometimes you need to react quickly to a kick
putting it on a modifier feels awkward to me but it's up to you
cobalt seal
chrome falcon
like i said, binds are just up to your own preference
sick sentinel
hamstring you can use like maybe once per key if your group has zero slows
cobalt seal
That sounds weird
chrome falcon
hamstring you can use like maybe once per key if your group has zero slows
nope
sick sentinel
even then u get like 100% uptime 20% on tc
its a 15s 50%, can be useful, like, streets when u do the vendor if nobody has it, put it on chaser and he does nothin
chrome falcon
i don't know what your UI looks like in combat but UI/binds are really minor compared to the mistakes showing up in logs
ravager is a nuts spell, does a buttload of damage and almost fills your rage bar
so never pressing that is
bad.
sick sentinel
very rare and waste of rage 99% time though
chrome falcon
you also wasted 2.5k rage
which is like
disgusting
especially considering you're generating way less than you should be
literally 1.1k waste just from shield slam
you need to press way more IPs
to stop capping
sick sentinel
nonjo
chrome falcon
but alas he is right
cobalt seal
chrome falcon
you need to just go hit a dummy
sick sentinel
i am frendo with DH
stray lichen
ok
chrome falcon
you understand that you need to use IP to stop overcapping right
sick sentinel
but, i really do like DH, very angry boys
chrome falcon
well
even if you didn't
i'm telling you now
that ignore pain isn't even a defensive button
the only thing you use ignore pain for is to prevent rage overcapping
2.5k rage is like
125 seconds of cooldown reduction on avatar/shield wall
that you didn't get
stray lichen
ok
fallow osprey
I mean, over the course of a dungeon IP will account for a significant portion of damage mitigation, right? Around 20% from what I’ve seen in logs. So it’s not that it doesn’t do anything defensively- it’s just that the mitigation is a secondary effect behind rage spend
chrome falcon
yes my point is that the thought process is not
fallow osprey
And it can only reach those levels of mitigation in the first place because of the level of rage generation happening right now
chrome falcon
"oh i'm taking damage i'm going to press ignore pain"
the thought process is just "oh i have 70 rage i need to ignore pain to avoid overcap"
fallow osprey
Ya definitely in agreement
stray lichen
ok that makes sense, lots of work to do
chrome falcon
biggest things
- shield slam more
- ravager more
- spend your rage better
every point of rage you overcap is wasted tier set/wasted avatar
which is why your dps is so bad
mighty valley
Always Be Cpressing buttons
sick sentinel
my rage WA triggers you see in all my videos (2 spinnig red tornadoes) are set to go off at >=79 for high and <=19 for low
chrome falcon
i do not recommend using that weakaura it's much better to just
look at your rage
but whatever makes you happy 🤷♂️
sick sentinel
and so, i want to always build rage till what? 30-70?
problem is i don't look at the rage bar hardly at all
chrome falcon
i can tell
which is bad considering your rage bar is like
literally what your class is
stray lichen
yeah i have a habbit of just getting tunnel vision and looking at my keys which is really bad
chrome falcon
literally no need to look at your keys on this class
sick sentinel
uhh 1 second
haven't deep dived into this at all, fresh creation
i did this run 15 top 2 stars 9 hour ago today
chrome falcon
2000 wasted rage 
sick sentinel
2240 wasted in a 16
fallow osprey
Does anyone have any workout tips for index fingers? Regretting putting revenge on 1 compared to a keybind with a more powerful finger like 2 or 3…
Maybe could hook up the double bass pedal for IP…
sick sentinel
I put sb on 5 after I ran some key which I logged recently and they make fun cuz I used 5 sb in 1.5 bosses of trash worth
maybe z racing wheel and one of those jet Sim controllers
fallow osprey
Who’s that guy that plays over watch with instruments and weird controllers? Needs to play pwarr with a drum kit
fallow osprey
🥲
sick sentinel
fallow osprey
Where does “using IP when you could have used revenge instead” fall on the spectrum of badness? Is it minor?
sweet summit
you lose out on damage and more rage via ss resets
if it's minor or not depends on how often it happens
fallow osprey
Ok thank you
shut summit
potent anvil
Sense owns
toxic pewter
does lightforge draenei racial have a cap on targets for the aoe dmg
torpid gull
What was that rogue doing? Playing naked?
chilly brook
S4 prot war buffs <:hopium:839076769280557078>
Exactly
chilly brook
What was that rogue doing? Playing naked?
He’s my irl friend he doesn’t know what he’s doing yet, just carried him through a 15 before reset
hollow sun
Yesterday helped a friend of a friend doing streets 15. She did 5k DPS on her mage 
strong forum
does lightforge draenei racial have a cap on targets for the aoe dmg
Dont think so
wintry nymph
Yesterday helped a friend of a friend doing streets 15. She did 5k DPS on her ma...
huge
dawn canyon
He’s my irl friend he doesn’t know what he’s doing yet, just carried him through...
Watch them get their deserved 278 dagger
sick sentinel
Watch them get their deserved 278 dagger
sick sentinel
<@456226577798135808> T - 1h25min
?
dawn canyon
dawn canyon
Will be fine
blazing condor
karmic plinth
does lightforge draenei racial have a cap on targets for the aoe dmg
completely uncapped
onyx vessel
Yesterday helped a friend of a friend doing streets 15. She did 5k DPS on her ma...
5k
Tell her to hit buttons harder
Had a healer do 6k dps in the 5 i was doing
onyx matrix
eyyy revered!
hollow sun
Tell her to hit buttons harder
Can't, it's a community that does chill keys with no toxicity
onyx vessel
strong forum
Nothing confirmed
onyx vessel
next year
sick sentinel
thought I heard end of this month
would be good as I'm pretty much done with Valor now, not counting 2hweap
lofty widget
august 30th at the very latest
lofty widget
well they said this summer
strong forum
Summer can be stretched quite a bit
Especially if you count half of the rest of the earth
queen bobcat
Summer ends September 21st
queen bobcat
but that's not the official range of summer
strong forum
To me summer is May till July but hey
queen bobcat
officially it's 21st of June - 21st of September
strong forum
They didn't wanna give a specific date or quarter
queen bobcat
yeah
strong forum
So they just throw in an arbitrary guesstimate
queen bobcat
^
strong forum
Looking at the plethora of raid nerfs recently, you'd think s4 is coming sooner rather than later
So they can squeeze as many CEs in as possible
Cuz only having 200 guilds clear the raid when at the same time in sod 1000 guilds clear the raid
Is quite the statement
(also a statement of decline of active raid guilds) cuz boy SL cost the lives of an insane amount of raid guilds
uneven crane
sick sentinel
raiding is kinda Virgin content tbh imo
like I imagine fat sweaty basement dwelling nerd types who raids today if they aren't group of friends long time.
lament musk
strong forum
Thats a thing with most last patches
Even in CN, and especially SoD tons of higher end raiding guilds disbanded
Same as bfa
sick sentinel
most guilds don't stand the test of time longterm
uneven crane
sick sentinel
guild I was in lasted all of bfa, crashed and burned by the end In a fiery explosion
jagged pier
the only reason for the burn out is the time invested out of it, the borrowed power systems that they kept/keep making that u need to do correctly to get the most power. also the changes to loot systems etc literally makes it even worse
50 slips a week
uneven crane
The basement dweller has appeared
sick sentinel
I don't mean to be so brash about what I said about raiding but j can't think of a more apt description
dawn canyon
If you only have 20 raiders it's bad because one ditched and ur fucked
If more than 20 benching some wont be fun either
Tricky spot overall
sick sentinel
easy and hard node is the quick fix
dawn canyon
Well ur least likely to be benched as tank but it blows
strong forum
Well I was RL and Officer
So i had to decide on who to bench, who to bring for which boss with raid setup and personal abiltiiy in mind
Aswell as who is trial and such
Shit ain't fun
sick sentinel
that's also partly why I wouldn't raid, it's just a bit too stiff office spacey like a joband everyone's expecting you to cross t dot i's etc etc and paper assigment contents has to be correct and not crumpled when turning the assignment in
dawn canyon
Id wanna casually raid but also slow prog grinds my gears
sick sentinel
it just feels... weird...
and then ontop of that you didn't do enough dps time to get gud or reroll fotm your out on your own
strong forum
Raiding can be good if you don't have a bunch of who's
And a tight core with nobody being a random dropout
But gl getting there
sick sentinel
I think more than anything g that's what's gotta be figured out if they don't remove 40 ma s have to figure out what causes it
sick sentinel
extreme lag, extreme low fps, hard too see anything
40 manswould be cool if they justfucking worked and didn't lag out or use entire computer resources
dawn canyon
Also just getting 40 people
sick sentinel
they are exciting when it does happen
I'd almost want it to be like when you go in you start with 20 for the first 1/3rd bosses then past that you could only bring 10 or the cap
it's like these guys are going in and they die off or too scared to continue your only ones left let's raid leaders see those players dps or mechanics something and boot them early
frigid plume
why would anyone choose to raid knowing that they are going to sit 2/3 of the time though
sick sentinel
well thats true too i guess, its a problem ... really... of what DO you actually do to revive raiding
cuz, its too integral to be removed or nerfed to hell, provides huge lore and fantasy, but it lags out all the time, extremely low fps, drama filled.
grave crane
Raiding when you got a good group is fun as hell. But finding enough people to do mythic is always an issue especially when SL has made tons of people not enjoy wow
undone verge
The issue we have is people don’t want to be at raid so they don’t try or like learn the fights/work on their spec
And we end up walling all day on an easy boss
grave crane
Yeah honestly those people are bringing down the rest of the group and that’s on the RL to be like learn the fight and stop dying to shit or your gonna be benched
narrow fog
Well ur least likely to be benched as tank but it blows
You're also least likely to find a guild as a tank tho
Which has been the case since Vanilla basically. Everyone needs tanks for 5 mans, not for raids.
hollow sun
I think raiding is for when you are younger. Right now spending 3h in the same place, after I come back from work, doing lots of trash and have very long corpse runs is just too time consuming.
Mythic plus is much more, I won't say casual, but definitely friendlier towards those that play for a limited amount of time
hollow sun
why would anyone choose to raid knowing that they are going to sit 2/3 of the ti...
Waiting for the Rog to be back from the bathroom 
jagged pier
imagine corpse running instead of Soulstoning a healer :KEKW:
and actually clearing trash when u can just skip 90% of it
alpine shard
idk man m+ takes a lot of commitment too
sick sentinel
do you really think i should/could open vault as arms/fury instead of prot?
don't have a 278 shield is about main reason i'd open as prot its 272
lofty widget
nah open in prot until you have 278 shield
strong forum
Prot until 278 shield
fringe junco
prot until scale
strong forum
272 scale is good enough if you need it
sick sentinel
i forget exactly how it worked out for me, but i got like 3 scales this season, one is a 278, was successfully able to trade one to a monk who needed it
grave crane
I think raiding is for when you are younger. Right now spending 3h in the same p...
i think of raiding as a more social thing, our guild isnt too hardcore, just heroic and done and we just talk shit the whole time and laugh. PVP on the other hand is way more sweaty and is where the blood gets flowing
jagged pier
pvp is literally a meme right now, my friend came back because free month due to faction change stuff, and was like wanna dick around in pvp like we do every season
1800 and hes 250 didnt have tier set ither
👍
sick sentinel
people who can press buttons in correct sequence good at game, more at 11
jagged pier
im terrible at pvp
always have been always will be
but fury in pvp is so mongo right
u press rampage someone dies
sick sentinel
well, despite that i ran theatre over 9000 times i didnt get a (valor, did get cypher 252 axe) axe yet
one of the early runs of it, someone offered, and i didnt take for whatever reason
this was before i had decided that i wanted arms/fury weapon
orginally, i had turned on arms loot because i wanted the phial from PF (worked and have it 272 now), and i just left it on since after getting 272 haste shield
silk pine
I did 2vs1 as prot warri and won.👍
jagged pier
tanks 👏 shouldnt 👏 be 👏 allowed 👏 in 👏 arena
sick sentinel
then why are healers alowed by that logic
silk pine
But its funny
chrome falcon
got 1.8k in a few hours by abusing the SS one shot at the start of the patch
good times
should have gone for 2.1 tbh
sick sentinel
i want to know why its okay to have a healer but not a tank
i'm not sure how i feel this vault
strong forum
278 tier is always nice to get
sick sentinel
my intial thought is to take pants, because i have crafted hands because i hate the stats on hands
toxic pewter
i got 278 scale
sick sentinel
this box is a toss up really, minus the hook, only take the hook for memes
toxic pewter
what pants do you have currently
sick sentinel
275 set leg, and 265 set hands (also have unity hands for reason stated above)
toxic pewter
so you have 291 legendary hands
sick sentinel
yes, tiny amount of crit and mastery first i couldnt stand it
toxic pewter
hmmm I mean I agree the tier hands stats are not ideal but it could be worth taking 278 tier hands, then putting unity on belt or something (gives socket)
that would cost gold though thats for sure
sick sentinel
the first crafted unity was chest haste versa as told by skyhold
sick sentinel
275 set chest, 265 set hands, 275 set legs 272 shoulder head
jagged pier
lvl 14 in vault
sick sentinel
this was like the first week i returned a month ago
sick sentinel
uh oh, spite full necrotic
onyx vessel
i got device for the hell of it
sick sentinel
iqd? i only had limited interaction with it and it felt like RNG to me, i'm not about it
grave crane
then why are healers alowed by that logic
because healers arent designed to mitigate damage and live through stuff. And on top of that most tanks can do comparable damage to DPS in arena because typically its about burst damage. Most healers arent doing a huge amount of damage compared to tanks
sick sentinel
well, if i attack you and then you get healed by the other guy your team, isn't that also damage negation
healers 99% of time casters or some kind of dps, good healers do dps as well
grave crane
theres a tradeoff typically of damage for healing, which is directly negated by tanks, bears, palllys, brewmasters, DH and DK all can just outheal and with tier kill you. aside from some cheesy disc one shots, no healers are doing anywhere near comparable damage in arenas to DPS. at the end of the day you can que tank in arenas
jagged pier
i was gunna say shammy
sick sentinel
i don't know so much that healer belong in arena
grave crane
theyre not doing the same dam as thier dps though, like yeah kryian burst is something to stop with a kick or stun
dawn canyon
modern brook
Duke nukem is very clearly a hunter
Does way too much damage with way too few braincells
Only good if the devs decide its OK
grave crane
Does way too much damage with way too few braincells
Fury warriors would like a word
weary lodge
Clearly I take the gloves (272 tier currently) and convert them to tier right? Like there's no way even a 278 codex is worth a modest ilvl upgrade on another piece?
jagged pier
codex is worth how much gold u can sell it for
modern brook
Smh if you're going to honestly argue that fury warriors a class that is smart enough to recognize 2 big swords is good, is on the same level (or lower) of critical thinking as a class that earned the nickname "huntard"
weary lodge
Current trinket line-up is kind of weak though. Still using a 246 scale, 272 phial or 239 defense matrix with 252 annhylde's aegis depending on the week and dungeon
strong forum
Phial + aegis
jagged pier
all of those are better than codex
strong forum
Ez clap
jagged pier
at those ilvls
weary lodge
Thanks boys
jagged pier
codex is literal garbage
strong forum
Aegis is still our best trinket
weary lodge
speaking of trinkets... I've actually see 239 defense matrix within 20k dmg at the end of a dungeon compared to phial, you guys still using that in some way? It seemed way better than I expected. ~420k dmg with phial at ~450k and of course defense matrix had like 500k "healing" (reflect)
strong forum
Matrix is still very strong aswell
So from your trinket choice matrix + aegis is still extremely useful defensively
weary lodge
So from your trinket choice matrix + aegis is still extremely useful defensively
Thanks
strong forum
Assuming that your soleah has good ilvl aswell, its also a very solid trinket choice paired with aegis
Generally you have all the trinkets you could want
Opc + soleah/phial for dmg
Aegis + haste trinket/matrix for defense
weary lodge
Assuming that your soleah has good ilvl aswell, its also a very solid trinket ch...
Yeah it's actually a 272, as is the overwhelming power crystal... For 15s when I'm just running low keys I've used OPC + phial and it's pretty solid as kyrian. The whole spear + OPC ends up being pretty amazing lol
strong forum
Ya your trinket choice doesn't get better than what you have
weary lodge
Feel like my defense options are pretty weak. Still would like to see a 272 scale, but haven't seen one drop this season
strong forum
Aegis is better than scale
You only need to take 12 hits during aegis to beat scale
strong forum
And it's lower CD
- it works insanely well vs dots
Aegis is a straight up 8sec immunity for us outside of wicked bolts
weary lodge
thanks, i'll stick with what i've been doing then i guess
modern brook
Duke nukem is very clearly a hunter
Also has a gun
undone verge
is scars a good dps trink for prot?
hollow sun
Is phial still good?
echo egret
I wish they would balance their dungeons... 18 deathes in a +22 Gambit and we still timed it, when just one wipe can ruin a key in some others
*+23 gambit even
echo egret
well it feels like they don't spend any time on that kind of things
like these dementially crazy platform packs in DoS
strong forum
thats cuz 5/6 tanks dont struggle as much with them as we do
echo egret
not what I said at all
lofty widget
i dont think theres any hard hard pakcs in m+, it's just stuff you have to handle in different ways
echo egret
rather make 1 very hard pack in every dungeon, than all together in the same
alpine shard
the first pull in spires is hard
chrome falcon
i dont think theres any hard hard pakcs in m+, it's just stuff you have to handl...
if there's one pack you handle by pressing shield block and tabbing out, and another pack you handle with good kicks and every CD and still nearly die, i think some of those are harder than the others
lofty widget
i dont think such a pack exists in m+ for us atm
echo egret
well then take my place in a standard 22 pug then 🙂
where lining up kicks oin shadowcore is a miracle
strong forum
theres a reason why literally every tank whenever they mention they feel weak and wtf did i do wrong the answer is "well it was in DoS the first 2 pulls"
chrome falcon
chimmi is doing like 27s tbf he's pretty cracked
strong forum
and if thats the case
where pretty much every tank main knows about it
i think its clearly a sign of stuff just being out of place
lofty widget
im not talking about pugs btw, but literally all the circle pulls in dos is 1 kick that has to be managed
chrome falcon
i think the biggest problem with the dos packs
echo egret
I have been playing in pugs almost exclusively sadly
strong forum
shadowcore, deaths embrace, bonestrike and the disease
chrome falcon
is the stupid way that scribe/bonestrike work
once you understand how to kite those around a bit it gets a lot easier
strong forum
sounds like more than "1 kick to worry about"
lofty widget
idk just kite them in small circles idk
strong forum
you see
lofty widget
deaths embrace is an easy dispell
strong forum
5/6 dont need to kite them
sick sentinel
i feel 0.1% more better due to 275 set to 278 legs upgrade 🙂
strong forum
cuz they dont die to bonestrikes
echo egret
which makes most puggers wonder why suddenly we die
lofty widget
but it's not really "hard" to hold down S is it
strong forum
its not hard but dumb as hell that you need to do it in the first place
cuz if you dont hold S you die
real nice balancing
lofty widget
but then it's not a pack issue, its a balance issue
strong forum
just because you can outplay it, doesnt mean its not wrong to exist