The truth shall set me free
#protection
toxic pewter
together and i wouldnt care
dawn canyon
people will get baited thats all
same for people claiming the dps specs need X % of stats
ionic fern
Okay, so.
If you want to debate Codex..do it. But please at least use proper information to back up your claims.
"But some of the top people use it" is not really a solid foundation for a argument.
We have logs where we can see how little Codex does for us..
toxic pewter
Yah All I claimed is 24 of top 50 currently use it and it’s not bad for pushing the highest keys that’s all I was saying
drifting fable
i mean i just assume apb is baiting tbh
cobalt seal
Yah All I claimed is 24 of top 50 currently use it and it’s not bad for pushing...
Still not a valid point
toxic pewter
Ok that’s just your opinion
cobalt seal
It not being bad
toxic pewter
I think it’s good also
stuck kite
Its mental
cobalt seal
They just follow
toxic pewter
Ok let’s change the topic
stuck kite
Just mental
toxic pewter
How’s the weather for you guys
stuck kite
And for pugs this is better to see a tank with commonly admit bis trinket
cobalt seal
stuck kite
We know pugs 
pallid quiver
I play it because i feel safer
Will directly mention, you are less safe in most use cases with Codex due to the loss of strength.
stuck kite
You didnt Understood what i said
pallid quiver
and last i checked, even pugs thought codex was bad after wowhead mentioned the nerfs
pallid quiver
I mean, now that it's been directly stated, you should feel less safe
stuck kite
Should, its mental and for many players of the top maybe its the same
They dont use it in dg
They feel weaker
They use it again
chrome falcon
you're really overestimating top m+ tanks
pallid quiver
I assume they don't know and don't care to go out of their way to know; it's not like in-depth knowledge is needed for pushing keys
chrome falcon
^
these people don't look super indepth to logs and shit
they don't die so they think it's fine
pallid quiver
even in things like fighting games, like, one of the best players of Guilty Gear +R for Zato, an extremely technical character? that son of a bitch uses literally the most basic combos and setups and wins majors
stuck kite
Math not explain everything, like feelings
chrome falcon
math objectively does explain everything
sick sentinel
We know pugs <:Target:668436712573370382>
drifting fable
sick sentinel
dps choosing what spec they want to play
pallid quiver
those statements alone aren't quite true I'd argue But for WoW, at least, due to it being all a number game, does explain everything since it simulates every interaction instead of covering it with animations/movements/ability skins/etc
drifting fable
Math not explain everything, like feelings
theres a reason feelycraft is frowned upon
stuck kite
Anyway maybe rhey are using it because, its not a good def trinket but a def trinket
ionic fern
I'll make it real easy since trinkets for what ever reason are still a "hot topic".
1)Trinkets in general are a fairly small gain to your survivability.
2)If you want to discuss something being good/bad - provide valid points to your arguments, not "But streamer X is running it" or "But some of the top r.io people are doing it".
3)Discussion is obviously encouraged , but the arguments have to actually be based on something.
-If someone comes in and says "I'm running X because it feels good" - ok, great, let him. Idc.
-If someone comes in and says "I'm running X because it feels good and everyone else is wrong but i won't provide any real points to back it up" - ping someone since that's just stirring trouble.
sick sentinel
im gunna get the phial and decanter SD to 272, and if i ever get it the secret also
mighty valley
How’s the weather for you guys
It's LA, basically the same weather every day
sick sentinel
past then i don't really give a shit about valor trinkets
pallid quiver
I'll make it real easy since trinkets for what ever reason are still a "hot topi...
if this pops up again, imma ping someone with the link to this post as a reason why
toxic pewter
It's LA, basically the same weather every day
Nice I’ve never been there
ionic fern
"Codex is good because r.io people are running it" is really-really-really-really close to the 🔨 on my patience levels.
sick sentinel
i'm very interested to get decanter SD to 272, because as someone at some point noted "it fucks in m+" loosely translated
pallid quiver
Personally, I think that argument's the thing that gets me the most bothered
Like I mentioned above, like many of the absolute best players in fighting games do shit objectively wrong and they're still the best
dawn canyon
i'm very interested to get decanter SD to 272, because as someone at some point ...
nome said its less good than phial so id prefer using that 
pallid quiver
so it's an inherently flawed argument coming from ignorance to me
dawn canyon
the sample is too small
since you can be good at keys and not nessecarily at your class
which might be some of those top members
dawn canyon
WHY DOES IT SHOW 3 TIMES
drifting fable
haha probably addon overlap
sick sentinel
i have no idea but its addon related and it doesn't really bug me TOO MUCH
dawn canyon
fuckin fried innit
mighty valley
272 272 272 278 278 278
drifting fable
sick sentinel
cuz, it doesn't show at all on, no addons
so, i have no god damn clue whats what in my bags and equipped
dawn canyon
ignore fury but deja characterstats is a good addon
thats how it makes it look with elvui skinning the frame
dawn canyon
only 800 valor more and i can get my 272 weppie or ill wait for skolex wep in vault 
toxic pewter
Arms better than fury
urban portal
👍
dawn canyon
no
toxic pewter
Arms for life
mighty valley
bait
mighty valley
it's stirring up an argument between two choices that aren't the topic of this channel lol
i'm onto you
toxic pewter
I mean I can still have opinions about warrior dps specs dude
mighty valley
i know, and i admire his work
toxic pewter
Not starting any arguments
toxic pewter
Ok that’s fair wrong channel
What’s your guys favorite protection warrior ability
If you had to pick one
ionic fern
Shield Block for the "boink" sound.
toxic pewter
Damn that’s a good one to be honest
blazing condor
spell reflect is a dope ability in terms of what it does and how it can impact fights
but thats not a pwarr exclusive ig
blazing condor
being able to completely nullify or even reflect back a whole boss ability is cool asf
and feels good to do
toxic pewter
Yes
dawn canyon
execute sound
blazing condor
rogue ambush sound is pog
mighty valley
honestly i just like that shield slam as our core rotation ability is a big satisfying CLANG
other tanks get like. a bear going argle bargle or some weird paladin jingle bells bullshit
dawn canyon
paladin shield sounds amazing
boioioioing
well thats divine toll more than avengers shield
but its good
echo egret
What’s your guys favorite protection warrior ability
It’s not prot-specific but for me Charge is the most fun ability in the whole game.
pallid quiver
i miss old-school charge, where there was always a non-zero chance you would ascend to another plane of existence every time you pressed that button
toxic pewter
It’s not prot-specific but for me Charge is the most fun ability in the whole ga...
Damn, charge is just such a solid pick. I think it’s the prot warrior defining ability perhaps
Freakin charge
So good
mighty valley
pressing charge in fights like sylvanas and jailer is like a leap of faith
living on the edge
hardy ridge
I'd say gladiator stance 
safe thistle
shield slam sound is nice like you really slammed the hell out of the mob
sucks we cant get the cloak or ring legendary from mop and wod i wasnt there back in the day and the questline look interesting
cinder nova
pressing charge in fights like sylvanas and jailer is like a leap of faith
Nah, just don't be a geed and a spaz.
You really will only struggle banner if you're volunteering yourself to go far for pylons during P2
Other than that, you have plenty of opportunity to get charges and intervenes.
For example, you can charge right after the tank buster, then leap > charge as the AOE cast is about to finish so you aren't in it.
mighty valley
i'm just goofing about the funny pathfinding, i don't struggle to find opportunities
cinder nova
Some of it can be close.
safe thistle
charging jailor after soaking a pylon normally theres a knowback i wouldnt recommend it , but if you can pull it go for it
cinder nova
I haven't seen that tbh. It is after, but you can easily charge back in if you're not dragging your feet - even if you go far.
Hell, you can use the knockback to charge as well so you avoid the more severe displacement.
oblique glade
prot alive
empty burrow
brazen yarrow
@oblique glade
onyx vessel
ebon geyser
Is kiting gone or is gonna be gone
sick sentinel
we are alot stronger now, don't have to run out as often like in 9.0/9.1
we get a big survivability buff from banner, + 10% DR from avatar, which we get often from urh (if mythic+) and AM
drifting fable
its just walking away from a mob, not sure how you can really remove that
in fact they have been nerfing fervent strikes so id say kiting is back on
sick sentinel
Somebody here once said SD decanter does well on multi target scenarios like mythic + runs, I'm wanting to get it to 272 and try it again for that, also shows up one of top hectic add cleave but I'm assuming that's closer to mythic + trash basically
dawn canyon
phial better
sick sentinel
have to look into how much more per target a get out if it, but automatic Shockwave sounds fine to me
have Phial as well, that's primarily where putting points into its 262 now decanter is 249, both + hook will be 272 just saying lol
I did ignore someone about prio'ing galors to are over phial to 272
grave crane
Decanter is not very good, I would say go for phial over decanter and if you have a ton of excess valor do what you want
fast shore
I plan to alt prot just for fun/gearing alts of push team is kyrian the best cov for prot?
dawn canyon
necro
modern brook
There's three whole websites dedicated to macro decisions like cov leggo and gearing decisions:^)
median tulip
I plan to alt prot just for fun/gearing alts of push team is kyrian the best cov...
Necrolord. And to forestall the rest of your likely questions: Reprisal on Boots, Unity on Helmet; Strength > Haste > Everything Else; Marileth; talent 3x2x231 or 3x1x231; Veteran's Repute > Adaptive Armour Fragment > Ashen Juggernaut; Stalwart Guardian > Unnerving Focus > Condensed Anima Sphere; Safeguard ~=~ Inspiring Presence; The single most important thing is ilvl on your Shield
robust rover
What makes a DH more popular than a Warrior in 25+ keys? They always seem soft when I am with them in 15-20 keys with low dps when I am dpsing.
grave crane
maybe the magic damage amp you get from DH boosts locks already absurd damage?
potent anvil
What makes a DH more popular than a Warrior in 25+ keys? They always seem soft ...
Debuff for lock/surv hunter.
afaik, they do good boss damage. Could be wrong, though.
cobalt seal
afaik, they do good boss damage. Could be wrong, though.
They heal bosses
They do great aoe dmg
undone verge
if I have outburst and shield slam is on cd and everything else is on cd, is it worth using it on TC, Id assume not but, what if I am 20 rage away from an outburst and I already have an ourburst and SS is on CD do I use outburst on TC then revenge for another stack of outburst and SS proc
naive panther
Dh st is poor. But they Excell at large pulls. More souls more meta up time. Scale well with more mobs. War doesn't.
@robust rover
cobalt seal
Main reason is
potent anvil
Oh. I always seen DHs do decent on bosses
cobalt seal
People still think warrior is bad
cobalt seal
Oh. I always seen DHs do decent on bosses
Relics pad
Or like 2nd boss of Halls where you have some sort of aoe
On Pure st
Vdh heals bosses
median tulip
if I have outburst and shield slam is on cd and everything else is on cd, is it ...
You should be tracking your Seeing Red stacks so you know to have Shield Slam read for an outburst TBH
potent anvil
Ret pala owns, people sleeping on it 
undone verge
You should be tracking your Seeing Red stacks so you know to have Shield Slam re...
I mean im doing that but usually the situation im talking about is when I have avatar but im also like 20 rage away from outburst so if I revenge for the SS proc Ill be wasting a stack
undone verge
ugh im so sad this was a 200k wipe and it was because I ripped aggro on mal and got double stacks
strong forum
if I have outburst and shield slam is on cd and everything else is on cd, is it ...
It's better to use Outburst on TC than to sit on 2-3 empty gcds to get an outburst SS, and it's 100% better to use TC-SS outburst if you'll get 2 outbursts back to back instantly
undone verge
kk ty
urban portal
They heal bosses
Dh is much better on bosses than warriors
They literally don’t change their talents from st to aoe
Their raid setup is the same as m+
urban portal
What makes a DH more popular than a Warrior in 25+ keys? They always seem soft ...
Dh gets better when mobs live longer
Their main gimmick is an almost infinite duration dot
mortal brook
Soul generation and decree volume much better in multi
median tulip
Uth
Warlock with zero interrupts yelling at me for tanking badly because I "wasted your defensives at the start of the fight"
Asked him WTF he was on about and he was meaning Last Stand
median tulip
I tried to explain that Last Stand is not a defensive, but hey ho
jagged pier
weell it is and it isnt the amount of rage u get due to it makes you unkillable
median tulip
Yeah, but that's not what he meant
But anyway he managed zero interrupt and only 12k overall
By the end I was trying to push my DPS to outdamage him, he was that bad.
pallid quiver
i do like 12k-ish on my warlock, but my warlock is also, like, 250 ilvl or something with a 232 staff or something
lilac bloom
im progressing towards mythic dausegne as a tank im going to try running nightfae.. I dont have aftershock leggo but running the wall leggo.. do i need aftershock leggo?
im also can be venthyr as well..just the guild finds it safe to run nightfae
jagged pier
well u should have both leggos because of unity
but u also dont need to run ither NF or venthyr on that fight
undone verge
can someone tell me how this is possible
I have been staring at this for 20 minutes now
jagged pier
how what is possible?
undone verge
15k rygelon
the best ive reached is 13.1k
and this guys doing it like its nothing
jagged pier
Zes a good player
undone verge
yeah rank one tank world wide for heroic
oh my god im an idiot
I just realised why I cant keep banner up
cause im only pressing last stand as a defensive
potent anvil
A lot of prot warr defensives/tanking is pro-active. So using last stand up front also is decent to tanking big pulls and staying in.
undone verge
yeah definitely, more for bosses tho do you want to use it on cd?
help with banner uptime
potent anvil
Personally, if banner is running and last stand is available then I just last stand. There hasn't been a time that I can think of where I needed last stand as a big heal.
But I dont really push high keys so maybe that'll change. Dunno.
undone verge
what about in raid?
or honestly do you want it as kinda an 'oh shit' banner button
like banners abought to fall off you got sub 5 seconds and want the extra rage gen to re-up it
lofty widget
no reason to hold LS
you can view it as "adds x amount of seconds to banner", doesnt matter if you pop it when its low or high duration
undone verge
True
median tulip
The number one thing anyone has to learn for any class in wow is that "holding a cooldown" is 99% of the time a mistake
Just push the button. It'll be back before you know it
echo egret
The number one thing anyone has to learn for any class in wow is that "holding a...
Just like 95,35% of percentages found on the internet are invented 😉
sick sentinel
people who dont know how to play prot warr
"u should be running ITF cuz haste is your best stat" room temperature iq feral in like a 16 or so pf right before final boss
statement like that is either no idea what they are talking about kr just trolling
sick sentinel
Just push the button. It'll be back before you know it
doubly true due to set and anger mastery in our case, triple with urh.
chrome falcon
or honestly do you want it as kinda an 'oh shit' banner button
LS is like barely a healthstone defensively it sucks
well actually to clarify
LS is pretty good defensively
but not as an "oh shit" button
pallid finch
so how does LS and Banner work together?
chrome falcon
rage
chrome falcon
it makes banner longer
pallid finch
so you pop those two and also Avatar when all three are up ?
pallid finch
not even SW?
chrome falcon
the only exception is that you only LS is banner is up
no you hold SW for when it's useful obviously
i just mean your dps CDs
pallid finch
oh, ok, ty1
lofty widget
no you hold SW for when it's useful obviously
could probably make a case for SW always being useful
hard tundra
Hey! Recently been swapping more and more to my prot warrior. Is there any way to soak the orbs on 3rd boss in Spires as warrior or do we leave it to dps or heal?
pallid finch
would dumping rage into Whirlwind be a legit dps increase or not worth it?
grave crane
Hey! Recently been swapping more and more to my prot warrior. Is there any way t...
You soak them all then shield wall when there’s 8 seconds on the dot left I think and SR
pallid finch
and SB block use is on CD, or hold 1 charge at all times?
hard tundra
Thanks!
lofty widget
Hey! Recently been swapping more and more to my prot warrior. Is there any way t...
LS+rav when the phase starts, spam into IP and wall+ sr with 8/5 secleft
grave crane
and SB block use is on CD, or hold 1 charge at all times?
I think it’s use on CD as long as your actively tanking. You can also intervene and charge weave for more SB and damage
lofty widget
and SB block use is on CD, or hold 1 charge at all times?
just dont sit on 2 charges assuming youre tanking blockable dmg
also nothing wrong with having 0 charges
sick sentinel
find it harder to weave in charges rather than intervene, have to wait on boss to channel something and theres a dead zone
strong forum
That's why pwar is so much harder
Cuz your mitigation is tied to finding the perfect moments, constantly, to charge weave
safe thistle
definately on a pull with urh in it you should even open with shieldwall since it will be back during the pull itself
Did someone checked if AM is buffed by the Urh diminishing CD ?
chrome falcon
no
if it was you would have noticed
because prot would be the best tank by a factor of 500
safe thistle
shield wall seems like not even a 1 minute cd right now in m+
ppl need to use it more often
median tulip
The shortest I ever had it was 57 seconds, according to one log. Mostly it's around 1m15s
You can probably get it consistently shorter if you're better than I am
(which is not hard TBH)
safe thistle
thats what i though cause when it proc it seems like the digit change 2 times instantly
strong forum
Mikanikos being the most notable one
chrome falcon
oh well
that tells me
guess i probably should have done a key in the last 2 months or something
strong forum
so only 10sec after avatar ran out, i already got the next one
safe thistle
so you nearly had perma avatar there
chrome falcon
you can get it that quickly even without urh
chrome falcon
was that with LS too?
strong forum
idk
shortes one i can find across the last 3 dungeons is 23sec between avatar casts
and its without LS up
safe thistle
i guess depend when you get thr urh buff during avatar popping too
strong forum
well yeah
toxic pewter
anyone know if it is worth doing warrior class hall from legion? Do I get anything cool from doing it? I am sort of bored and realized it is something I can do cuz I never did it
cinder pasture
I think there's a toy or something from the arena in the class hall
toxic pewter
Ok cool I am gonna do it
cinder pasture
That's the one
toxic pewter
sweet ty
lofty widget
rare drop tho
sick sentinel
i didnt check what went wrong but ran 15 TOP and we died a bunch, still finished of course
just seemed like everyone taking tons of dmg
median tulip
just seemed like everyone taking tons of dmg
Grievous. If the DPS aren't using personals/are taking lots of avoidable damage, then the grievous count racks up very quickly
sick sentinel
like i did spires 15 as the other 15 towards 4 of those, that was uneventful for most part
healer died to ??? on final boss pull, reset, timed.
toxic pewter
Back in Legion, how was Neltharion's Fury
was it considered pretty good or wat
seems interesting
Enter a defensive posture, critically blocking all attacks while a stream of shadowflame erupts from Scale of the Earth-Warder, dealing (6 * (18.9% of Attack power)) Shadowflame over 3 sec to all enemies in front of you. You can use defensive abilities while this is active.
I guess it was channeled?
I wonder if they bring it back for DF, but how does the community feel about it?
median tulip
I have no opinion, I didn't play Legion. But it wouldn't be entirely surprising for dragon themed abilities to be included, I guess.
I mostly want Dragon Charge made into a PvE talent
toxic pewter
I mostly want Dragon Charge made into a PvE talent
Oh, wow, that would be awesome and a lot of fun
chrome falcon
dragon charge would be terrible as a pve talent
urban portal
this?
yeah seems fun
but not exactly crazy
depends on what it competes with ofc
toxic pewter
ya I admit it may be impractical to use a lot of the time
chrome falcon
it would be teeeeerrible
toxic pewter
lol
chrome falcon
the opposite of mass grip
urban portal
gets them out of sanguine
toxic pewter
yeah prob true to be honest I cant deny it would prob suck a lot of the time
median tulip
dragon charge would be terrible as a pve talent
I disagree; it would require actual player skill to use well, is what. But fundamentally I think that we are really hurt by the lack of mob displacement in our toolkit. The alternative would be the Anima Power Shrieking Flagon; but IMO the Dragon-themed ability for the dragon-themed expansion would be better.
dawn canyon
I want warbringer
median tulip
And yes, not going to deny that the Sanguine affix is a large part of my frustration with the lack of a displacement ability
dawn canyon
Droar suuucks
median tulip
There's a lot of things we used to have that they could bring back. Once upon a time Shield Slam had a dispel effect; make THAT a talent
toxic pewter
ya that would be cool
we should come together and create a wishlist for 10.0 that would be fun
what you guys think about that
dawn canyon
Just make one
toxic pewter
but we can make it a community thing
will bring us all together
and then we can do a vote and see what resonates most with the community
median tulip
It'll probably just cause arguments lol
toxic pewter
arguments ironically bring people together as long as it is civil
like me, people argue with me all the time, I am very well liked now and popular
median tulip
Well, I'll start then; the root ability in the protection tree will be Shield Slam, and the free ability protection gets in the class tree will be Shield Block
chrome falcon
that's like saying target dummies are well liked because people spend a lot of time hitting them
toxic pewter
Well, I'll start then; the root ability in the protection tree will be Shield Sl...
that makes sense to me actually
median tulip
Things I'm hoping for: Sudden Death to be somewhere accessible to us on the class tree
toxic pewter
that's like saying target dummies are well liked because people spend a lot of t...
I love target dummies and I think most would agree
median tulip
I assume that Anger Management will be somewhere in the Class tree; I'm wondering if Avatar will be as well, given how nigh-universal it has been with SoTK
Ravager/Bladestorm might be a choice node in the class tree as well
Storm Bolt probably in the class tree, same with Double Time, War Machine
Rumbling Earth might be folded in with Disturb the Peace (Conduit) as a talent for both Shockwave and Piercing Howl
Impending Victory will probably be a filler talent in the class tree as well
urban portal
Yeah it’s on utility rows on other two but on a survival row for tank
median tulip
So I'm thinking it'll be a class talent
urban portal
To be fair iv is quite good in a vacuum
sick sentinel
i would change most effects of "when you kill a thing you do this" to be like, the top damage in a 5 man, top 5 in a raid for dps get their kill effect satisfied.
median tulip
Yeah, but it's shit tho
sick sentinel
like, as long as your actually hitting the mob and putting in lots of damage and then someone gets it with a dot, you could get credit
urban portal
It’s literally half a lay on hands on a 25s cd
median tulip
If it reset when something you had recently damaged died, like how Feral's Tiger's Fury works, then it might see some play
sick sentinel
it could even be as 60 s cd and when mobs die near you cd reduce by 1s each
and then maybe useful
chrome falcon
IV would probably be pretty good if indom wasn't so insane
median tulip
I hope they don't force us to spend a talent point for Heroic Throw
lofty widget
it just doesnt fit with our tanking style tho
when do you ever need one big heal every 30 sec
urban portal
When you are about to die
sick sentinel
impending is for when we want to pretend to be BDK who use a shield
dawn canyon
I want Recklessness
urban portal
Being able to immediately heal up a wicked bolt is very good
dawn canyon
But as prot
sick sentinel
cuz its like almost verbatim deathstrike
lofty widget
being able to kick a wicked bolt is better
it's so niche i wouldnt ever consider it good
chilly brook
cuz its like almost verbatim deathstrike
No not even close
urban portal
Again it’s 40% of lay on hands on a 25s cd
chilly brook
Especially considering that death strike is like baseline 7% hp or something like that and functions based on damage intake
urban portal
If it’s a single point on some filler talent class tree it would be insane
sick sentinel
less if you kill something, much less with urh... (memes)
chilly brook
If it’s a single point on some filler talent class tree it would be insane
I don’t think anyone would complain if this was the case
median tulip
Anyway, the list of likely things to be on the class tree; War Machine, Sudden Death, Victory Rush (with Impending Victory as a next-row upgrade talent), Storm Bolt, Bounding Stride, Double Time, Anger Management, Ravager/Bladestorm (choice node), Dragon Roar, Spell Reflect, Ignore Pain, Spear of Bastion... plus maybe Avatar, SoTK, a talent that combines BSC/Seismic Reverb and one that combined Rumbling Earth/Disturb the Peace
sick sentinel
if you were also to exist in memeland and use impending, i'd assumed you'd at that point use indelible at some point with it, gives some from of small HOT
lofty widget
If it’s a single point on some filler talent class tree it would be insane
if that was the case we would have it all, so not very likely at all
median tulip
Spear and SoTK might be a choice node as well
I won't be exactly right ofc, but I would be very surprised if I was less than 2/3rds right on that list
oblique glade
can somebody give me a guide to collecting free trial mounts?
i know about the wowhead page but its outdated
urban portal
There is no way they’ll let big cds in a class tree
They already said most of the class tree is going to be utility garbage
chilly brook
They already said most of the class tree is going to be utility garbage
Which IV fits into
And it would be dummy valuable for something like arms
median tulip
You may be right; that would drop Ravager/Bladestorm, Avatar, Spear and SoTK
urban portal
Like we can look at the dk tree
chilly brook
I can’t tell you the amount of times I’ve just rotted to death as arms
Healers sleeping
urban portal
A lot of stuff in class tree is minor runic power generation
And some minor dps increase
urban portal
Only the last row is big dps (limb,empower rune weapon, soul reaper)
And we don’t even know how they conflict
median tulip
Only the last row is big dps (limb,empower rune weapon, soul reaper)
I don't actually play DK at all, but Runic Empowerment/Runic Corruption (Row 6 choice node on the left) are their equivalent of Anger Management, right?
conceptually I mean, in a "play right and get more resource to do more play right"
sick sentinel
if i ever need to do the first boss mechanic (not computer) in gambit, what is it exactly
like, where am i supposed to go to collect orb and then deposit
sick sentinel
this part i know
urban portal
I don't actually play DK at all, but Runic Empowerment/Runic Corruption (Row 6 c...
No not really
chilly brook
Everyone else just picks up one of the colored orbs where the boss is and interacts with the corner
sick sentinel
i gota know where it spaws or looks like
urban portal
Anger management will definitely be a last row talent
median tulip
My point is more that AM will likely be in the class tree, not duplicated into the spec trees
chrome falcon
nah AM is probably class specific tree
because it'll effect different abilities per class
median tulip
Do you reckon that a usable form of Banner will make it in?
i.e. not Fury's nerfed version
jagged pier
maybe but very unlikely u will have 100% uptime
jagged pier
need glory
urban portal
Then need our set to be good
urban portal
I don’t think you NEED reprisal
chrome falcon
don't need 100% uptime for banner to be good though
median tulip
I expect Reprisal to be a last-row Protection tree talent
urban portal
Did some math on a random sense log and he would’ve made just as much rage going wall
If not more
Obviously wall sucks
median tulip
Yeah, but for that to work you have to be as good as Sense
urban portal
I would argue that reprisal is much harder to play than wall
chilly brook
Here’s what’s gonna happen
median tulip
Which... I can mostly keep the banner up, but I'm not as good as him
chilly brook
They’re gonna boost our rage gen through the roof and give us more shield block and roll glory into banner
urban portal
Finding time to charge weave is much harder than passively gaining more rage on pressing slam
chilly brook
And not nerf glory
mighty valley
i doubt banner will make it as a talent, not very exciting without being propped up by a ton of other buffs, and would be too complex to put all that on one talent
chilly brook
mighty valley
also doubt reprisal will make it in any form
chilly brook
i doubt banner will make it as a talent, not very exciting without being propped...
Personally I don’t think it’s too complex for one talent
But that’s just me
mighty valley
I mean, write out everything Banner does with Glory and conduits in one tooltip
median tulip
i doubt banner will make it as a talent, not very exciting without being propped...
It's worth noting that Druid gets Convoke as an ability in the penultimate row, and their class legendary effect as a passive talent on the row after
jagged pier
isnt the class leggo effect 1 min cd
median tulip
and I believe the same is true for Adaptive Swarm in Resto
jagged pier
and the chance to use better spells is already baked in
thorny stone
its xymox mythic doable as necrolord?
median tulip
However it's also worth noting that Druids have to choose between Convoke and Incarn
urban portal
Everything is doable
strong forum
thats barely more RAW rage than reprisal
thorny stone
i do NOT want to go nf to jump-grab rings
strong forum
not even counting the SB and free revenge
urban portal
Yeah Ik
I’m not saying that wall is good
I’m saying that you don’t need reprisal to make banner have 100% uptime
strong forum
no but it helps buttloads cuz its on demand
jagged pier
its xymox mythic doable as necrolord?
every boss is doable as necro
strong forum
when you need it
"oh shit im drained, guess ill charge weave now or use intervene for rage"
urban portal
Reprisal is the smallest piece in the whole rage engine
strong forum
tons of moments like that
chrome falcon
i do NOT want to go nf to jump-grab rings
yeah there's one moment where you have to time a portal vaguely well
that's the only difference
lofty widget
to charge?
night oracle
no not rly
it's like
few seconds into the pull
right before the arrow on random 2 players
jagged pier
to position for the red beams
night oracle
he leaped out right be4
sick sentinel
maybe to get to safe spot for 3 beams attack?
chrome falcon
clip it and show us
median tulip
right before the arrow on random 2 players
If you move fast you can dodge the bleed. You don't need to jump for it though
sick sentinel
cuz its staggered, so after first one goes of you step to whre there is and safe for all 3
thats my guess
if he didnt charge
median tulip
The "arrow on random 2 players" is wicked rush, not piercing blur
median tulip
You still get hit by it if some idiot DPS doesn't run out
median tulip
then they both stay in and stand opposite each other
median tulip
(I have poor experiences with DPS on that boss)
night oracle
wicked rush , is it sth that do massive dmg on tank?
jagged pier
he tried to charge
lofty widget
looks like a failed charge ye
lofty widget
then they both stay in and stand opposite each other
pop a defensive and laugh cause youre a tank 🙂
lofty widget
we're one of the best tanks atm tho
median tulip
he tried to charge
Yeah you can see his Charge button light up, but he too close
night oracle
wait rly ?
jagged pier
yes
night oracle
yeah now that u guys said it
strong forum
Nobody good*
night oracle
i did peak down and yeah
jagged pier
just completely gone missed because ppl that dont play the class said it was bad
median tulip
Like 6 seconds in, watch the charge button at the bottom of the screen light up as he presses
night oracle
is warrior tanky for like 30 40s
lofty widget
idk about 40s
median tulip
wait rly ?
High skill floor, very easy to fuck it up
jagged pier
who the fuck doing 40s?
lofty widget
definitely 30s tho
night oracle
but right after there's 5 6s where u desperately need heals?
strong forum
Entirely situational
jagged pier
not really if u play correctly/ depends on the situation
strong forum
But there does come a point where shit needs to die
night oracle
i guess ontop of the charge/intervene weaving plays for blocks
he's rotating tank trinket , necro shield and shield wall on top of it ?
sick sentinel
i've found for best results on charge is to wait till they channle or hard cast something and then leap but im a nobodyh
night oracle
it does appeal as a very high skill cap tank to me
strong forum
The highest
lofty widget
very rewarding tho
lofty widget
cause you almost cant die if you play correc t
night oracle
i often saw him , say he's tanking a pack and a survival is behind him like few yards doing his bomb
then he weave in an intervene
median tulip
How to Warrior
- Be Angry
- MORE ANGRY
- TOO ANGRY TO DIE
night oracle
is it risky to do that coz u turn ur back for like half a sec
sick sentinel
you also lose alot of team value through like grip, control undead, loh, bubble freedom, bop ring all kinds of stuff
night oracle
oh same when he someitmes intervene someone opposite of the mob pack
sick sentinel
what you get in return is maximum angery
night oracle
idk i never see his health drop so far doing those so just wondering
strong forum
Like bruuuh
median tulip
I put a mark on my intervene bitches head
lofty widget
theyre also max-ranging the mobs behind them
strong forum
There's no logical reason to be behind the pack outside of hoa
In m+
There just isn't
lofty widget
well rogues have an excuse
median tulip
and yes, before you ask "intervene bitch" is the technical term
night oracle
very spammy tho i could imagine
median tulip
I avoid using Rogues as Intervene Bitch unless I have absolutely no choice
dawn canyon
thats why its fun
night oracle
shield block , charge , intervene , ignore pain all off gcd
lofty widget
more in raid
actually it's the same it just appears higher in logs
night oracle
is it the thing that makes it work ?
median tulip
but does the spec fall without good necro shield uptime ?
Necro Shield is only a bonus. The key point is Necro Banner uptime
sick sentinel
i would change my tauren to dwarf but i think i'd miss cow stomp too much
night oracle
oh yeah i meant banner
sick sentinel
remove all debuffs sounds really good too
jagged pier
i mean i dont even fleshcraft outside of a tap of a global
night oracle
the thing requires spending rage constantly
lofty widget
you just gotta be on point with your ss procs and not overcap rage 🙂
dawn canyon
i mean its like necro fury it works without just is far better during banner
lofty widget
easier said than done tho
night oracle
i could almost imagine prot warr cringing a little bit in keys that are too low
median tulip
I now generally know where I can Fleshcraft without breaking the flow of the run
night oracle
i guess that case we kinda have to chain pull to keep the tankiness almost ?
sick sentinel
u can FC everything ifur doing marileth, u get ultimate form and that allows u to stand in fucking everything that does a CC effect
night oracle
do mobs hit u harder if u FC in their face?
sick sentinel
urh, hooks, tornadoes, knockbacks, 2nd boss black bolts, fucking EVERYTHING
night oracle
afaik blocks and stuff doesnt work when casting ?
sick sentinel
deletes all cc mechanics
lofty widget
it works with FC
sick sentinel
i 99% of time use FC to negate the urh slam
median tulip
One tip regarding Fleshcraft: Before you put the key in, have Sigil equipped; use Rallying Cry, Last Stand and Sigil Fleshcraft to get an absolutley massive Fleshcraft for the first pull. Then switch trinkets back to Phial or whatever
lofty widget
i 99% of time use FC to negate the urh slam
just move out of it, you still take dmg
night oracle
just no stun yeah?
lofty widget
and it will kill you in higher keys
sick sentinel
better than taking the stuns or a kb into hooks IG so i use it to eat one of that, and then do mechanics
strong forum
You can block whilst channeling FC
night oracle
oh ok
median tulip
I've used Fleshcraft to negate the psycho fairy's patty cake before
night oracle
u mean the 2nd boss cast in mist?
median tulip
Yeah
strong forum
You can fleshcraft the stun on hoa 2nd boss aswell
sick sentinel
on golem theatre you can negate both the KB and hooks in just 1 FC channel
sick sentinel
u get 2 seconds CC immune after it finishes
median tulip
u mean the 2nd boss cast in mist?
strong forum
No cc effect
night oracle
so good
strong forum
FC is quite the powerful defensive with marge
lofty widget
you can also immune the wretched phlegm in pf 
night oracle
iirc it's a diff soulbind than the one allowing u FC while moving right ?
sick sentinel
what im saying is i now use it pretty much exclusively to tackle rough mechanics or a giant slow or something
median tulip
iirc it's a diff soulbind than the one allowing u FC while moving right ?
Yeah, that's Emeni
night oracle
ok
sick sentinel
u can jump while using that soulbind
median tulip
I've never actually tried Emeni in serious play TBH
sick sentinel
i like sole slough
jagged pier
he streams during EU demon hours
strong forum
Who
lofty widget
mists shouldnt be too bad this week
median tulip
Not really any worse than average
lofty widget
can ignore most inspiring
strong forum
Everything sucks this week
lofty widget
true
sick sentinel
havent done any mists or halls this week at all
median tulip
Mists is easy on Fort regardless
lofty widget
still havent done my weekly key
sick sentinel
did one baby valor SD
median tulip
I loathe Tyr Mists
night oracle
it's actually funny how
strong forum
Outside of first boss
lofty widget
well thats debatable
night oracle
like in halls
median tulip
I hate all 3 bosses on Tyr
night oracle
still nobody do the mobs after first boss
strong forum
Cuz it's an awfully designed dungeon
night oracle
im not even sure if i know what those mobs up there do
sick sentinel
theatre is eternally free as well
night oracle
wait u mean top this week?
strong forum
Theatre is literally a dead key this week
median tulip
ToP is never difficult
lofty widget
in general it's pretty good
night oracle
wouldnt disagree
median tulip
You must be playing a different ToP than me
median tulip
Oh design wise, sure
night oracle
tbh , i miss some dungeons in legion
and some in bfa
sl , ehh
on average 6/10 for me
median tulip
The easiest key in SL, now, is Streets
strong forum
For me SL dungeons are a solid 2/10
sick sentinel
i know for fact spires i ran like 13 times this week
night oracle
1st part of halls is alright , 2nd part doesnt do it for me
sick sentinel
top probably the same
night oracle
it's like a freehold wanna be
strong forum
But rest is utter trash
median tulip
I hate the first part of halls. Those fucking Obliterators can fuck right off
night oracle
but a total fail
i hope they put some disguised mobs in those untouched packs in s4
median tulip
and don't even get me started on Fortified Bolstering Thrashes from those shards... FML
night oracle
that id say is the wakeup call
median tulip
Week 6 HoA is a dead fucking key
median tulip
Fortified Bolstering Quaking with Thrashes, Wicked Bolts, Hound Bleeds and Curse of Obliteration... no, thanks
strong forum
I take bolstering over inspiring.
scenic mural
Id like to see a revamp of a lot of affixes next xpac
strong forum
Same
Fort, tyr, inspiring, storming and spiteful can rightfully get deleted
All 3 new affixes are just dog
They're not hard, but exceedingly annoying for tanks and melee dps
Inspiring is just cancer tho
median tulip
Fort, tyr, inspiring, storming and spiteful can rightfully get deleted
.<Bliz Voice> What's that you say? You want the return of Teeming and Skittish?</Bliz Voice>
sick sentinel
teeming explosive
cinder storm
teeming bolstering
median tulip
Overflowing...
cinder storm
Old sanguine
drifting juniper
guys
i am 256 with no tier
how much damage can a prot warrior do overall in a normal dungeon
i feel like i am using ignore pain and losing revenge dps in the proccess
median tulip
You can probably solo a normal dungeon
drifting juniper
Not normal diff dungeon
i mean a normal +15 or 20 with pugs
how much a full geared warrior can do in a ballpark figure
strong forum
12-15kish ye
median tulip
I usually have around 12k, and I'm not particularly good
drifting juniper
strong forum
5k with 250ilvl without tier is quite bad
dawn canyon
loow SS
strong forum
And yeah SS is way too low
drifting juniper
this is my friend giving me the dungeon details since i deleted
strong forum
Without tier he should also play kyrian and not necrolord
So judging from this I recommend for your to play kyrian and press more shield slams
Shield slam is your highest prio button
TC is a tad bit lower prio than revenge
drifting juniper
yes i don't do much shield slams
my problem is keeping my ignore pain bar filled when i am full hp
for banner uptime
chrome falcon
you do not need to do that
strong forum
Disregard your IP bar
sick sentinel
chrome falcon
you get banner uptime by generating and spending rage optimally
strong forum
And without tier you won't be able to keep up Banner for reasonable amounts
chrome falcon
which is what you should be doing anyway
lime urchin
Whats a IP bar
strong forum
Grats
sick sentinel
decanter or maybe hook next, cuz hook is 262/5 already
sick sentinel
i wanna get a bunch to 272, just say i have em at a usable level
strong forum
IP is a rage dump to prevent capping rage
chrome falcon
your hp is always going to be falling
you're a tank lol
you only use IP to stop the red bar getting full
that's it
median tulip
You press Revenge (or Execute, if available) in order to proc a Shield Slam Reset
sick sentinel
yeah i've got bombs, afe, phial viscera all at 272 now not much else to look for besides secret
median tulip
TC also procs SS resets, and generates (a tiny amount of) Rage
sick sentinel
need the the axe from theatre, maybe dos belt, can't think of anything else i want
well, any 2 hand weapon really, don't give a shit which one, thats one ive decided to target tho
chrome falcon
are they wearing seismic?
chrome falcon
then no
that's way too much revenge
and not enough SS
also it's better if you can actually log it
instead of just sending a detail screenshot
also not enough executes
drifting juniper
i use skada 😦
drifting juniper
this is my friend sending me this
dawn canyon
ah
drifting juniper
so much more shield slams
chrome falcon
i mean
it's really hard to tell
from just damag enumbers
logs are much better
because it shows casts
drifting juniper
ok i will work on that
stray lichen
what is a good area to be at for stats, I have 34 haste, 29 Mas, 22 vers and 10 Crit, i seem to do good on 15 and under keys but seem to struggle on higher keys,
sick sentinel
str and haste
literal only thing that matters
ilvl, but i mean, come on, thats a given
stray lichen
ok so just need to work on my gameplay then sounds like
dawn canyon
Send logs
stray lichen
not sure how to do that
safe thistle
when you get higher in key you want bigger pack and some that you can do on lower key, you wanna skip cause they get seriously dangerous .
so route change too
cinder storm
Inverse TC for SS cast amount
Actually, put another SS where your TC is and move your TC to your 6
stray lichen
not following what your meaning?
cinder storm
Why is your SB so far away?
cinder storm
TC is a dogshit spell, you only press it when you dont have anything else to press
You are pressing it too much
chrome falcon
Did you cast 287 SS and 865 revenge
There’s no way
That’s accurate
Surely
Ok yeah that’s not what it’s saying phew
stray lichen
im not sure thats why im asking, lol
chrome falcon
Well I don’t recognise that adding
toxic pewter
what race warrior are you
toxic pewter
race make big difference
stray lichen
human
toxic pewter
oh...
safe thistle
thats detail
toxic pewter
gonna need to go dwarf
chrome falcon
Ignore apb he’s a dipshit
toxic pewter
wtf lol
cinder storm
lol
chrome falcon
I would really recommend you learn how to log
toxic pewter
i am helping this man, dwarf is best mythic+ race
chrome falcon
And post logs in here
cinder storm
Why would you tell him that unless he's doing like a 27+
lofty widget
race has 0 influence on anything lol
cinder storm
Troll
toxic pewter
false
safe thistle
dwarf or go home im racist
stray lichen
thats my recount addon i have thats all i have for keeping track of damage and stuff
toxic pewter
what loa is best? I sort of want to go 5% movement speed loa? I feel like that is pretty good tbh
safe thistle
it would be good on a dk 😛
cinder storm
@stray lichen 1) Run a log 2) Post a log 3) Prepare to get chewed 4) git good 5) post another log 6)get chewed more 7) git better
lofty widget
thats my recount addon i have thats all i have for keeping track of damage and s...
How do i log ?
So, if you have been here for a while, you may have noticed that whenever somebody ask for advice we ask them for a log, and if you’re new you might have no idea what that means or how to get one so :
🔸 First, download Loggerhead (https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/loggerhead) or ERT (https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/exorsus-raid-tools)
Once you have one of these any time you enter a zone where you might want a log (ie dungeon/raid/torghast) these addons will automatically start logging (in the case of ERT you have to activate automated logging in the options).
Alternatively if you don’t want to install an addon for it, whenever you are going to do an activity you want to log type /combatlog in chat to start logging said activity.
Remember to activate advanced logging in the options (System -> Network -> Advanced Combat Logging)
All these options will store your logs in your wow file inside the retail folder and the log file.
🔸 Second, go here (https://www.warcraftlogs.com/client/download) download the client. Select the live section of the client, select the upload a log button and select the fight you’re interested in putting up as a log and boom you’re done.
🔸 Third, once you’ve done all this, your log is uploaded you can put it up here and we can look at it together to see if you’re doing something wrong.
If you wish look at your own log Jakey made a nice little video explaining what we look at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1tRp8lULT8
here's a good writeup to get started
echo egret
And so far I’ve never seen any mockery in here about anyone posting logs and asking for help
toxic pewter
I have
cinder storm
I ran a HoA 26 the other day, first time in a long time where I felt challenged in a key yet, also had fun trying it, like at that key level things were lining soo smoothly
toxic pewter
nice
drifting juniper
all this race talk is making me abandon my prot warrior altogheter
since i'm a vulpera
safe thistle
better using ert to be honest loggerhead soemtime doesnt work even and you ahve to manually ingame start the logs
toxic pewter
all this race talk is making me abandon my prot warrior altogheter
vulpera best horde prot warr race, i am one myself
I am leveling a dwarf at the moment tho
lofty widget
nose for trouble is a pretty good DR, but dont get caught up in races, their overall impact is less than 0.1 %
toxic pewter
nah nose for trouble heals 400k dmg per run
its like 5-7% of overall healing its the best defensive racial in the game by far
except I guess dwarf racial
sick sentinel
cow stomp is OP for m+
lofty widget
no
always SS
it's more dmg and rage
and you want rage to keep up banner and to fuel AM+indom
dawn canyon
The idea is the extra rage for shieldslam means you get 2 extra revenges off
Which is more damage than that clap
drifting juniper
ah so i had it all wrong
sick sentinel
mid key but also fear
safe thistle
just use your cc to stop it and your not alone other dps should pay attention, you have your shockwave and fear for that minimum
lofty widget
dont forget it's a free charge as well
toxic pewter
does that mob ever target the tank or what? I swear I got stunned one time it was like one time though have not been stunned other than that
lofty widget
it patrols around the edges and goes in the closest target, so if youre tanking it out there then theres a chance yes
toxic pewter
Oh interesting
that explains it then
it sucked ass i was like really helpless that time
cinder nova
Only time you're pushing TC over SS is if you're gonna be staring down the barrel of 2-3 dead GCDs
Like, it feels dogshit, but w/e
lofty widget
hitting TC>sitting on your hands
dawn canyon
Well it's better than not doing anything for a few globals
toxic pewter
yah I agree
lofty widget
if its more than those 2-3 globals yes
toxic pewter
Makes sense
dawn canyon
But it doesnt feel good
toxic pewter
yah I have been in that situation and it does suck
but it makes sense to keep things rolling
pallid quiver
Also, better to use TC if you'd overwrite the Outburst before you can spend it on SS as well
So like of you're at 80 rage, but the next cast of anything would get you your next outburst proc and SS is still on cd for a a second more, just blow it
sick sentinel
i done alot of dungeons this week but i dunno if im doing 5 more 15's, 1 for sure
sweet summit
Also, better to use TC if you'd overwrite the Outburst before you can spend it o...
yes
(i assume that was a question)
safe thistle
wasnt it not said like a outburst TC is owrth it 1 out of 3 outburst proc or something like that
mostyl if ss aint ready
sweet summit
more like the ratio should not be higher than 1 tc / 3 ss
safe thistle
must be that
pallid quiver
Less a question, more an elaboration
Since people were asking about when tonus TC Outburst
sweet summit
my bad then, i can't read
sick sentinel
3 more 15's sorry, for 8/8 3 reward
may as well now, already up to my eyballs in valor
toxic pewter
pallid quiver
Why prot warrior need read
we dont even have an int stat anymore
sick sentinel
Why prot warrior need read
toxic pewter
LOL
sick sentinel
yeah, something pretty close to 40 valor runs this week
i think, maybe, bunch of them wre like baby 2's and stuff just to get the 200 valor reward each time
toxic pewter
Wat you getting valor for
sick sentinel
trinkets and offspec and a belt, weapon
be realy nice to go into next m+ season with full starter set
toxic pewter
Cool
sick sentinel
have gut feeling that 272+ SD decanter might be really nice on big trash pulls, I'll give it a go anyway see how that pans out
chrome falcon
It’s bad
Don’t need gut feeling when we have 18 months of playing with the trinket and knowing it bad
sick sentinel
nono
stray lichen
sick sentinel
there