good banner is 80% in details in m+ or 90% in raid fights
#protection
blazing condor
80+% effective blocks on SB
sick sentinel
my problem now mostly seems to be i don't do banner last stand whatever else precharge
i just, ravager and charge, then hit those cds
blazing condor
small minmaxing tbh
its important
but im sure there's more things you can focus on and not fret about the banenr uptime
robust rover
278 or 272 for prot? 278 is ~1% more dps per SIMs. Haste is 33 vs 34% baseline.
strong forum
Phew..
robust rover
sorry wrong cloak this one
dawn canyon
also avoid on it
robust rover
strong forum
Still ilvl tbh
jagged pier
still the same answer
robust rover
k, sounds good
strong forum
Losing 35 haste isn't a big deal
It sucks, but isn't big of a deal
Maybe the raid cloak has better stats idk
Can check at creation catalyst if you like the stats it grants you more
Which is why bad wrists don't rly exists, for example, cuz you can just CC them into crit/haste wrists 
robust rover
Can check at creation catalyst if you like the stats it grants you more
I already made that cloak into raid 🙂
jagged pier
Catalyst cloak is like crit mastery
strong forum
Ah yeh I see the name now
Can't wait to look my vers/mastery cloak tomorrow instead of an actually good upgrade!
bold nimbus
sick sentinel
now you can be an avoidy boi
patent osprey
Leech chest to catalyst today ^.^ Plkawar rising
robust rover
Watched some prot stream last night ❤️
modern brook
Mastery stack is the strat bro
lime urchin
Lord Plka comin back?!
strong forum
Sense is burned out of keys so he's not gonna make it :(
patent osprey
yeah I've decided I'm only play prot war now
other than weekly shit on monk
monk isn't as fun for me
so I'm clearing 11/11M with my war this week :)
to get it some phat loots
bold nimbus
strong forum
Technically only need to kill like 4 bosses
shut summit
same
modern brook
yeah I've decided I'm only play prot war now
Just make sure you log out on venthyr
If the r1 prot war is repping everything correctly we have nothing to talk about
shut summit
Sense is burned out of keys so he's not gonna make it :(
close enough
sick sentinel
are the theatre flags everyone or necro only
drifting fable
necro picks them up, buffs everyone
potent anvil
Prot warr owns
oblique garnet
sick sentinel
knights + priests in wc3 lmao
absolutely terrifying in PVP 4v4
so god damn tanky
potent anvil
Any last season dps'ers? 
oblique garnet
Any last season dps'ers? <:deadge:900279927138578432>
Getting there
1.7k to go to beat me
And then i can resub
potent anvil
Pugs are just also dying randomly...I had 89% banner uptime because we had to rez
oblique garnet
Shouldve told him to release
potent anvil
potent anvil
Mass rez cancels on combat
If it's one person, healer should single rez. Assuming tank can handle their own for awhile.
potent anvil
I'm gonna start running seismic again for awhile. Need to kill packs faster
oblique garnet
potent anvil
My crit is getting bigger 👀
oblique garnet
Dead class, dead spec, wrong shield tank
I just finished playing league
Back to binging one piece
Yeah ofc i won
Still hella washed up but almost back to plat
No idea about the last ones
Back when i seriously played it was challenger>master>diamond>plat>gold>silver>bronze
Now theres some inbetween challenger and master
potent anvil
I made it to diamond 1 during s3 
Haven't played league since.
Or w/e is the league before masters
I'm a top/jungler andy. Make solo plays, hope team follows up
oblique garnet
Or w/e is the league before masters
D1 was the peak before challenger in s3
Master was added in s4 iirc
Because d1 queue times were horrendous
potent anvil
Yeah I was playing too much LoL during college, made it to D1 and didn't do promotionals because school work
oblique garnet
Kinda want to see if i can get back to high elo again
Just so i could make some money boosting in league again
potent anvil
I'm a boomer, literally about to be owning in retirement homes 
252 prot pala in a 21 halls
But I'm geared now. By 7 whole ilvls
I need valor now. Gotta get 272 gear
Gotta spam dos for scale
urban portal
Don’t think so
potent anvil
I have an iqd..kinda dont like it. Might be good though
alpine shard
yeah I've decided I'm only play prot war now
pog
sick sentinel
272 all slots
I'm happy with that
i remade the glory gloves with crit cuz why not, stats are ASS on gloves anyways imho
just have to farm out dos belt and pray for 278 haste weapon from vault and i got everything ever wanted
old flame
Thoughts? the discordant deathblade is 265 so not a contender
toxic pewter
I mean I like the haste personally, I would take it over the 4 tokens ya
chrome falcon
it's pretty close
sick sentinel
i'd take it
chrome falcon
if your haste sucks go axe otherwise i'd probably just socket
sick sentinel
not a chance i wouldn't bis max lvl + tert
toxic pewter
then again 4 tokens toward a socket is not bad either
sick sentinel
is the point of the game not to win? or is it to have fun?
cinder nova
is the point of the game not to win? or is it to have fun?
Second one, but what the entails can be anything from sweaty CE WF neckbeardian poopsock guilds to the players that literally just do world content, LFR, and M0
onyx geyser
hello fellow warriors, how does one go about getting their m+ logs reviewed? just post them in #449510248579858432 ?
cinder nova
Yeah, or you can ask someone here and hope they do it, but #449510248579858432 is the official vector.
onyx geyser
thank u sir
waxen orbit
vernal vale
hello fellow warriors, how does one go about getting their m+ logs reviewed? jus...
fairly often people are available here to look at logs
cerulean wyvern
Thoughts? the discordant deathblade is 265 so not a contender
Isn’t the dead grove axe your choice? BiS stats and has avoidance…
cinder nova
Haste vers isn't BIS per se, but it's pretty neck/neck with crit anyway
urban portal
I would not waste a vault on fixing stats yeah
cinder nova
Go with whatever gets your more STR tbh.
Pwarr gearing is, for all intents and purposes, laughably easy.
Like, you could absolute CE by just smoothbraining whatever is higher ilvl and pretty much ignore secondaries and be fine.
Warrior leans pretty heavily on play more than perfect itemization of your secondary stats.
urban portal
That’s the case for tanks in general
cinder nova
And they're all close enough together that even a mastery-heavy Warr should be able to hack it just fine, if a bit turbulently.
BDK is pretty much "hope you don't overmarrow yourself into a slow death kekw"
It's so funny too because you know you're gonna get yourself killed like 1.5 minutes before you do because of how you cocked up your rhythm.
It's almost on-brand for - of all tanks - the death knight to know how and when it'll precisely beef.
old flame
Reasons I stopped playing DK
undone verge
does dasausage hurt this much or am I bad
like im doing 8k hps
running two defense trinks
odd tree
eh, blood plays better with heaps of haste
little more room for error, but definitely feels bad when DRW drops and you still have 15s before the next one
sick sentinel
Pwarr gearing is, for all intents and purposes, laughably easy.
sure, but i need to find/make a 272 str automatic trinket rather than this bomb shit, bombs is meh okay but i don't think it the play,
cinder nova
Unless you're pushing extraordinarily high keys, your trinkets are pretty irrelevant tbh.
vernal vale
sure, but i need to find/make a 272 str automatic trinket rather than this bomb ...
sack is decent in keys for damage but if you want strength phial decanter i think are the best options for purely dps trinks
scenic mural
phial continues to be sim bait for me, 272 and i never get more than like 2.5% out of it
vernal vale
phial continues to be sim bait for me, 272 and i never get more than like 2.5% o...
That's just how bad all the dps trinkets are
scenic mural
yeah i just run soleahs and OPC
hearty perch
Guys,
How much is a good percentage of Uptime from conquero's Banner in dungeon? Do you have an ideal number?
scenic mural
people will just tell u 100 but generally 80 is a good run
hearty perch
omg, i'm doing 40%.
Shield blocks i can do 95%, but conquero's banner i will need to impruve. Some advice?
i'm 32% haste
vernal vale
omg, i'm doing 40%.
Shield blocks i can do 95%, but conquero's banner i will ne...
Logs show way lower than details too because it's 100% of the dungeon and not just combat time.
Dungeons I am 80%+ but logs are considerably lower. Plus some dungeons like spires will force you to drop banner as you have to fly on the angels
vernal vale
omg, i'm doing 40%.
Shield blocks i can do 95%, but conquero's banner i will ne...
As for advice hard to give unless you have logs to share. Typically it's push more buttons, and waste less rage first and foremost.
vernal vale
Ignore pain is basically just to prevent rage capping. The absorb is whatever.
undone verge
the absorb is big generally you want 70%+ IP uptime
80%+ Shieldblock and 70% IP is usually a good run
vernal vale
It's literally only up that much because you have to dump rage.
undone verge
not really, if I needed to dump rage id do it on revenge cause thats damage
but survivability wise play off revenge and reprisal procs spend rage on ip
revenge if youre gonna cap
vernal vale
Revenge doesn't spend enough rage to be used as a dump. Your saying the opposite of what the best players say.
undone verge
im not sitting there spamming revenge im literally just spending rage on ip and pressing like 1 revenge if im at risk of capping
ocean yoke
youre gimping yourself on rage gen then since revenge is rage usage+chance to reset shield slam CD
pallid quiver
youre gimping yourself on rage gen then since revenge is rage usage+chance to re...
this
Revenge is more rage on return because of more SS
hearty perch
Have a link to the log itself?
I dont have log, just details.
vernal vale
Revenge is also lots of threat and damage.
pallid quiver
so you're spending less rage in comparison due to gaining more out of it
Meanwhile the absorb on IP is asssssss
ocean yoke
IP comes in as the "i literally cant use revenge enough to avoid overcapping rage" button
pallid quiver
it's something, but it's less than the survivability obtained from the SS resets giving more rage to fuel banner
vernal vale
I dont have log, just details.
Okay, so based on that screenshot it's probably just about hitting speed to gain and spend rage quickly without waste. I would also guess your using outburst on TC which you should mostly be avoiding.
Next time you run a dungeon log it and the we can see where your play issues are.
hearty perch
Next time you run a dungeon log it and the we can see where your play issues are...
Sure, thanks!
scenic mural
im not sitting there spamming revenge im literally just spending rage on ip and ...
this is one of the actual worst messages i have seen typed in here and would ask you dont give bad advice to anyone else
vernal vale
it's something, but it's less than the survivability obtained from the SS resets...
Fuel banner and avatar resets for more rage and damage reduction
It's such a huge cycle
undone verge
this is one of the actual worst messages i have seen typed in here and would ask...
well then clearly im not explaining it well then
hearty perch
Okay, so based on that screenshot it's probably just about hitting speed to gain...
i'm not using outburst on TC. But next time i will do a log and put here. Thanks
scenic mural
but survivability wise play off revenge and reprisal procs spend rage on ip
not really bc u said this too. its terrible advice and play
pallid quiver
It's also worth noting that if you flat out never use Outburst on TC, you might actually be cheating yourself out of rage. It's better to blow outburst on TC over praying for a devastator reset or if you'd accidentally overwrite outburst before getting SS back, for example. Though again, we don't know for sure without proper logs
vernal vale
i'm not using outburst on TC. But next time i will do a log and put here. Thanks
I do find it easier to keep banner up in higher keys too actually because stuff lives long enough to let you spend and gain lots of rage.
ocean yoke
i'm not using outburst on TC. But next time i will do a log and put here. Thanks
plain old chain pulling is a lot of it as well, if youre quick enough you just keep snowballing it
scenic mural
ignore pain is literally just to spend rage when u are going to overcap. i would be terrified to see your revenge cpm
vernal vale
ignore pain is literally just to spend rage when u are going to overcap. i would...
Based on what he said its like 2
vernal vale
It's also worth noting that if you flat out _never_ use Outburst on TC, you migh...
True
Better to hit a button than sit around for several seconds hitting nothing
undone verge
revenge CPM overall including downtime is 7
scenic mural
7 is terrible
undone verge
how much dmg is your overall?
scenic mural
what kind of dps are you doing overall and in what keys
undone verge
11K in 20+
like this one was a 10, I had 437 revenge casts
havnt done a 20 in a while
vernal vale
Show logs
ocean yoke
you could add like 1-2k to that and likely not lose any real survivability with more revenges, youll be able to bump up your rage numbers even more
oh youre kyrian
pallid quiver
not even banner
undone verge
I dont like banner
yeah its worse but personal preference
spear gives me a ton of insta rage gen
vernal vale
Those casts are incredibly low
ocean yoke
thats a fuck ton of thunder clap damage, i would guess youre using outbursts on it
undone verge
yes
pallid quiver
Those casts are incredibly low
you have to realize he's using Kyrian and no banner, so his rage gen is like, half of what it would be otherwise
ocean yoke
youll get some better peformance out of the tier procs if you use it on slam, the slams damage and the revenges you can cast out of it will do more overally than a buffed thunder clap
vernal vale
Fair enough
ocean yoke
not to mention the extra rage
pallid quiver
Any arguments centered on banner aren't going to exist since it's not relevant, so I've already stopped. They've already admitted banner's the better play, but they're not using it, so shrug, nothing else to say
undone verge
its just personal preference, like I get its better but I find spear more fun
and im not gonna push anything past a 22 so I dont really care too much about min maxing that
ocean yoke
kyrian def suboptimal but can run it and not be totally inting
kyrian or necro revenge great button still
undone verge
its nice insta threat gen so I dont need to worry about revenge spam to hold aggro
vernal vale
Should still be using it more for shield slam resets to get more rage
pallid quiver
On a technical matter, if you want to perform, there's no personal preference; the mitigation, damage, and base fluidity of the class is Necrolord by so much it's not actually viable on a performance aspect to be Kyrian. It'll function, but you can't talk optimizing the class if that's the decision you're making
undone verge
true, I guess I dont play necro so I didnt realise the playstyle was that wholely diff from kyrian
urban portal
Even with Kyrian it’s the same
You have plenty of rage gen from base kit to never actually press ip
You still overflow on a ton of rage
pallid quiver
It's mostly the same, but the incentive just isn't there to keep everything rolling nearly as much
urban portal
Pressing ip for an actual mitigation is just bad
vernal vale
Pressing ip for an actual mitigation is just bad
Yeah, which is what he was telling someone to do.
median tulip
IP mitigation just /happens/ you don't have to plan for it
undone verge
idk maybe I micro manage my rage too much then cause I try to wait till it drops to press IP again and spend excess rage on revenge
ill have to look at that
pallid quiver
you can stack IP up to twice if you're doing that, by the way. It's still pitiful mitigation numbers, but
urban portal
Then you are net losing rage in the long run
Does anyone have their ignore pain tooltip for me
undone verge
wait IP shield stacks to 20k?
vernal vale
IP cap is a nothing it lasts 0 time except that we spam the fuck out of it to stop rage capping
urban portal
The cap does nothing
undone verge
yep you guys are right lol
vernal vale
Does anyone have their ignore pain tooltip for me
You mean the one that says get indomitable healing and reduce avatar wall cd
urban portal
Yeah that one
vernal vale
I'm on my phone so not right now sadly lol
undone verge
but yeah I see your point now. Always assumed IP spamming was wasted rage but since it stacks to 20k yeah its def a good rage dump
or not spamming
whatever I mean
vernal vale
I hit ignore pain at 80 rage normally and spam revenge most of the time.
urban portal
It is wasted rage
That’s the whole point
You waste that rage to proc anger management
You don’t cast ip to mitigate
vernal vale
When your in cycle with last stand conduit, ravager etc you spam the fuck out of it just to not cap rage
pallid quiver
Damn, 3% wipe
hate to see it
pallid quiver
If I knew these fights well enough to optimize, I'd help, but obviously at this point you're looking at minor, fight specific optimizations, so I am of no use
ionic fern
<@179993058186625025> Please review my log and tell me how garbage I am
Jakey told me to tell you that you're garbage.
Hope it's helpful.
hardy ridge
Jakey told me to tell you that you're garbage.
Thank you, that's all I needed
pallid quiver
banner dropped off at one point, regardless of circumstances, he must be right smh
hardy ridge
oh shit where can you see that
hardy ridge
damn I thought I did a pretty good job on using outburst on ss
but I am indeed garbage
oblique garnet
Happens
hardy ridge
wait a minute Sense used 10 Outburst on thunderclap
I am not that shit then
this spec is so hard to play perfectly man
you guys are elitist pricks, lets see your logs then
❤️
Holy crap who is Jormwarr, he's a god
hardy ridge
He certainly is, I love watching his POV
ionic fern
ionic fern
you guys are elitist pricks, lets see your logs then
What logs?
I'm just here to let everyone else know that they are bad.
hardy ridge
pallid quiver
that's what i strive to be, mwahi
it's a platform i will never be able to reach; all i can do is aspire
jagged pier
<@179993058186625025> Please review my log and tell me how garbage I am
low blocked hits 77% should be far higher
wasted alot of rage
low casts on intervene and SB probably why low blocked hits tbh
using outburst on TC a lot
oblique garnet
I'm just here to let everyone else know that they are bad.
Oi thats my job
But unlike mwahi i do have logs to back me up 
Just not as tank this expansion
hardy ridge
low blocked hits 77% should be far higher
wasted alot of rage
low casts on inter...
yeah I agree that I wasted a lot of rage and could def improve outburst usage on SS but is my intervene actually low? I'm casting it on average every 38 seconds, I feel like that's pretty good on a boss that has really finicky movement.
My blocked hits are low but I feel like i'm not taking much dmg on that fight and I have block up when I need it, but like you said maybe I should be less conservative with SB
lime urchin
SB makes your shield slam better!
lofty widget
should always have one charge on CD tbh
hardy ridge
Ye i’ll adjust my weak aura to shine when i have 2 stacks
How many pwarrs in the world can actually play this spec optimally
jagged pier
very few
basically sense
then u have the SFs and mwahi who can kinda but not really
lofty widget
the yellows
jagged pier
Press 👏 your 👏 buttons
jagged pier
pallid quiver
That's the correct choice; escape this trap before it's too late
blazing condor
Way ahead of you
Idek why im still here i dont play the game nor do i know anything anymore
jagged pier
jagged pier
well dont be bad at pressing your buttons
pallid quiver
but if he told you to not be bad, then he couldn't yell at you for being bad
jagged pier
i'd rather u all be good so i dont have to look at logs all the time and answer the same 3 questions all day
jagged pier
u forgore about the HR question
hardy ridge
Human resources?
onyx vessel
using HR as banner 
jagged pier
hardy ridge
Oh heavy repercussions lmao
hardy ridge
Yeah i could see that being a common question since it was really good prior to this tier
lofty widget
almost definitely will be in 10.0 
onyx vessel
lofty widget
HR was never "really good"
onyx vessel
shoulda be the case for a long time
lofty widget
just a crutch imo
blazing condor
HR was needed for highest dungeons
hardy ridge
^
onyx vessel
basically the go to for all warrior specs 90% of the time
blazing condor
Thats about it
lofty widget
yeah but who did those high dungeons
jagged pier
HR wasnt needed in really high dungeons
lofty widget
i was timing 26s just fine lst season with AM
jagged pier
it was just safer to play, and tanks at high lvls of keys are usually the shot caller
so taking HR allowed them to focus more on shot calling and less on SB uptime
hardy ridge
Thats fair
onyx vessel
best range interrupt doesnt use it
jagged pier
HR for the general player was literally there because they copied the top io players without understanding why they took it and it covered their bad play so they thought it was good
onyx vessel
if you dont know whats good use AM
lofty widget
more like if you dont know whats good copy the top guys
onyx vessel
sometimes they troll
hardy ridge
Was HR good b4 reprisal was buffed this expansion
jagged pier
theres a general rule if u dont know why the top players are using x or y then u dont undderstand enough about the class to follow
lofty widget
thats partly why ppl keep asking if codex is good
jagged pier
so follow what the guides say
onyx vessel
log with shit talents/covenant
jagged pier
if i pushed keys i would
onyx vessel
lots of people would
hardy ridge
But no cap is codex still worth playing on M rygelon after the nerfs? They added a cap to the absorb right
hardy ridge
Ayt
onyx vessel
it does nothing for us
hardy ridge
Some ppl are using on that fight
onyx vessel
you will 100% see pwarrs with it tho
jagged pier
the top amount of Dr it does for prot is 2%
because it calulates after everything else
onyx vessel
the BDK tank co will be like this trinket is crack
the warrior will be like ok time to get it
does next to nothing for us
hardy ridge
Ye some ppl were saying the damage on that fight is so high that its worth
For pwarr
jagged pier
no
hardy ridge
I mean i woulda noticed it was bad after a pull or two
onyx vessel
with 0 mitigation
hardy ridge
Is it good if we dont use a shield
hardy ridge
Just back tank then 5head
Trinket is op
Ahah yeah its happened
Tragic
Got jeeves after that
onyx vessel
rather that have jeeves reeves and a backup shield
agile pumice
Is it good if we dont use a shield
2h prot is ballin
onyx vessel
hardy ridge
Fury tank must be insane with codex
hardy ridge
Damn u right
ionic fern
Just not as tank this expansion
False advertisement.
hardy ridge
D:
oblique garnet
False advertisement.
ionic fern
Theorycrafter role is a curse.
People expect you to talk smart.
Val'kyr is where it's at and you can say w/e.
oblique garnet
I just go ook ook
onyx vessel
time to make seismic for big dam
ionic fern
Je, feelycrafting is the best.
oblique garnet
Perhaps
pallid quiver
I always expect theorycrafters to talk dumb as hell 98% of the time because they blow their mental capacity on looking how to break shit
this may just be the fighting game background and bias kicking in, but
ionic fern
They just talk too smart so we normal people don't understand what they are saying.
dawn canyon
pallid quiver
i'm so stupid i don't even have an int stat anymore
it is only by sheer coincidence that i ever actually successfully communicate to human beings
echo egret
Can you trust the MDT addon when it tells you an undead mob can be sheeped ?
blazing condor
Yeah those ”affected by” section in MDT is lack
grave crane
I thought undead mobs couldn’t be sheeped in general
lofty widget
can only poly like beasts humanoids and critters
only cc that works on undeads are stuns, shackle undead and turn evil afaik
and blind 
echo egret
Ok so I should trust my knowledge and not that addon !
lofty widget
yeah
grave crane
That’s what I thought so MDT just making shit up?
lofty widget
it says in the tooltip of every cc what it works on
so if youre in doubt just look up the spell
grave crane
it says in the tooltip of every cc what it works on
This guy can read
sour sedge
Where would be the best spot to make Unity, if I don't plan to raid?
lofty widget
chest
sour sedge
Cool! Thought so, but just wanted to check in case I was missing something.
What do you think the best stats would be for it, for use across all specs? I'm not very geared right now, so simming for it feels like it could be misleading.
lofty widget
haste/vers
sour sedge
Simple :D
sick sentinel
Yeah those ”affected by” section in MDT is lack
MDT has been "Lacking" very hard all of shadowlands
still lists teleport TOP boss as being able to cast every player ability in the game and not show all the patrol paths
round cliff
chrome falcon
only cc that works on undeads are stuns, shackle undead and turn evil afaik
You can fear most undead this expansion
Or st least a good chunk of it
Unless you mean like hard long CCs
lofty widget
tbh when i think of undead i mainly think ToP
and the bone spear guys are definitely not fearable
i still think it's a good rule of thumb that fears dont work on undead, and then there are exceptions
strong forum
They are fearable
The bonespear/necro volley Bois are humanoid iirc
You only think they're undead cuz they look undead
lofty widget
bone magus are undead, i am aware the soulbinders are humanoid
fallow osprey
i'm learning how to read logs and was hoping someone can tell me if this statement is correct: in this log from sense, he took 18.95m dmg over the course of the dungeon, 7.06m of which was absorbed by IP https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/FhMRYKpfcbqyzT4D#fight=4&type=healing&source=125
sick sentinel
magus are ALWAYS priority target
grave crane
Absolutely insane that a 252 aegis is just that good
sick sentinel
magus unchecked will screw over group just due to free casting shit
free casting i mean, nobody even tries to interrupt him, or if they do its by accident with a stun attached to one of their attacks
strong forum
i'm learning how to read logs and was hoping someone can tell me if this stateme...
No, ignore pain prevented 7mil dmg from being taken
It's not 7mil of the 19mil
sick sentinel
as opposed to, locked down which would be the polar opposite, and he's silenced, interrupted, stunned, spell reflect etc
strong forum
Without IP he would've taken 26mil dmg
fallow osprey
ok i see what you mean, thanks!
strong forum
Absolutely insane that a 252 aegis is just that good
In s4, unless nerfed, a 304 aegis will absorb up to 17k per blow 
And a 304 matrix will be around 20k iirc
sick sentinel
so, does this mean we can get all the BFA gear/trinkets come s4?
sick sentinel
i mean, eye of rezan, if thats avialable, i don't think it is
hmm, i thought i heard s4 was switching over to all the m+ was bfa dungeons
strong forum
What
It's the 3 mega dungeons since legion + 2 wod dungeons
Karazhan, Mechagon, Tazavesh, Iron Docks and Grim rail depot
sick sentinel
i thought i heard we weren't going to be running shadowlands dungeons for some reason?
strong forum
Literal unsub
strong forum
i thought i heard we weren't going to be running shadowlands dungeons for some r...
Yes. The ones I just listed.
sick sentinel
i don't know tazavesh or mechagon super well, but i could manage those, don't know at all about iron docks GR karazhan,
grave crane
In s4, unless nerfed, a 304 aegis will absorb up to 17k per blow <:keks:93623161...
Oh god I can’t wait
grave crane
Are mechagon punch cards Gonna be a thing scaled up?
sick sentinel
so, whenever the s4 becomes active we can't or don't run shadowlands dungeons anymore? or they just like don't have keys generated for them? if its not finalized thats okay but i'll check into it on wow head if i remember to
grave crane
I need to just farm a mythic aegis
chrome falcon
there will be no keys for any shadowlands dungeon apart from tazzavesh
and we don't know about any of the unique loot stuff broldamort
like the wod dungeon loot tables will need to be reworked too probably
sick sentinel
i'mma have to re-roll dps or go arms/fury with these new dungeons if i cant cut it
grave crane
You’ll be alright bud it’s all a learning experience
lofty widget
arent the punch cards for that mechagon trinket?
lofty widget
and i doubt that's getting scaled up
grave crane
The blaster yeah that one slaps
sick sentinel
oh fucking god no i just realized
there is that literal trash dog shit trinket from workshop
grave crane
I feel like I saw a couple that were good ish
sick sentinel
the tank one gives armor on proc
grave crane
we have plenty of dogshit tank trinkets in SL too
Blade masters armor kit
sick sentinel
that stone heart gargoyle thing is easily the worst
lofty widget
i mean realistically all the dungeon tank trinkets outside scale are kinda bad
wise sluice
Just run dps trinkets, tank trinkets from BFA dungs were kinda shitty
sick sentinel
the motorcycle trinket was pretty good i remember
grave crane
Motorcycle was bis in pvp as was drest
alpine shard
im pretty sure punch cards dont drop in m+
grave crane
Also I don’t know if that trinket has main stat
lofty widget
does it matter? it's like ilvl 30
grave crane
Not really I’m just gonna get m aegis and OWS most likely
robust rover
OWS and Cheat Death trinket for me
Well, to be fair, OWS with the new point system, the 2nd trinket will depend on what drops and what I want to buy with points between a trinket, weapon, or shield
sick sentinel
any idea why grevious says "Covenant: Venthyr"? seems to be addon i have but no idea what being venthyr could do to interact with it
i think i asked before and we couldn't come up with a good answer
topaz field
anything surprising is no longer surprising to me as soon as i repel its blizzard and their game is dogshit
cobalt seal
i think i asked before and we couldn't come up with a good answer
disable stuff
and turn on 1 by 1
urban portal
anything surprising is no longer surprising to me as soon as i repel its blizzar...
Yet here you are in a wow discord and spending 15 bucks a month to play this game
topaz field
ye unfortunately
im not flaming the game u know i like the game very much and think it has much potential
im just flaming the bosses
silk edge
Will we be able to get mythic ilvl trinkets if not mythic raiding ?
chrome falcon
from the raid? no
silk edge
Ah 😞
grave crane
I believe there’s an upgrade path yes. Killing 3 mythic bosses gets a token is what I thought I read
topaz field
Yet here you are in a wow discord and spending 15 bucks a month to play this gam...
for example i still cant charge the mob on the left stairs in HOA since the beta of SL i reported that 50 times
or i can still bug out first boss in hoa if i speedtaunt it
reported that 20 times
just to mention a couple of things 🙂
undone verge
I’ve had that disabled for a while cause I think back in 9.1 it slowed down my game a ton
grave crane
Which mob? And how does the first boss bug out?
sick sentinel
I’ve had that disabled for a while cause I think back in 9.1 it slowed down my g...
true, but blizzard never implemented a system where i could easily see the players covenant
have to ask or assume based on the meta, has even resulted in BORK'd keys due to like, the flag or red slime or some other buff doesn't go off that could help us, or no NF to open the mists door
undone verge
I try to use Warcraft logs and just look them up
sick sentinel
and your just losing that up time or something that you can't really quantify easily, like a confusion is created because extra mobs pulled or whatever and it takes a full 3-5 seconds to even get fully into being ready to deal with it
drifting fable
you dont need necro to utilize the slime buff
its nice to have the double buff but you can still sit in the pool
and the top flags are just whatever
sick sentinel
i thought you did have to be necro to do the slimes, i did a plaguefall something or other, 15-17 probably and they kept yelling at me SHIELD
scenic mural
the pool gives haste without necro
undone verge
you can double up with the necro I think is the thing
scenic mural
you get double buff with necro
sick sentinel
i didn't catch on wtf they were talking about figured they wanted me to block stuff, and then at end of key i worked it out, i just forget that you can do those things to begin with
so, like, i wasn't doing the FC at all, or in tune with the slimes for whol run, probably lose alot of dps and thus time
lofty widget
it's not a lot really
sick sentinel
Tyranical PF 1 could definitely use as much dps as possible
those slimes are annoying anyways, even with pummel and deathgrip, they are annoying to get placed,
echo egret
Aaand once again DOS fortified in a +21 pug totally obliterated me. Should I just keep that dungeon for vocal comms premade group ?
Oh and inpiring added a nice horrible flavour to these platform trash groups.
sick sentinel
that probably the worst key and tank combination possible this week
or maybe even period
hazy edge
The only tank it's decent for is bdk cause they can control undead all the inspired mobs on the platform packs and just remove that danger
strong forum
Aaand once again DOS fortified in a +21 pug totally obliterated me. Should I jus...
Inspiring fort DoS is literally our Achilles heel
sick sentinel
grevious don't help shit either
modern brook
Inspiring fort DoS is literally our Achilles heel
Oof ow my heels
sick sentinel
since, we can't interupt as easily as other classes, i'll say
echo egret
The only tank it's decent for is bdk cause they can control undead all the inspi...
Well any DK can do that
modern brook
Tanking on unholy is inconsistent thi
echo egret
Can DKs death control the death speakers ? Or are they humanoids ?
sick sentinel
enraging last week sucked too kinda, just glad there is no like fort bolstering enraging weeks
cinder storm
they are undead but I've never seen a dk control it now that you mention it
sick sentinel
that would be a fantastic week for spell reflects
echo egret
Ok
sick sentinel
mega reflects
echo egret
And 1 missed interrupt is 95% of my HP 🙂
cinder storm
on the bright side we get to spell reflect without some dps kicking it when sr is active
sick sentinel
don't get hit then
echo egret
Tell me about it
And I’ll be happy when S4 launches and unreliable Wo skips will be a thing of the past
wild hemlock
wtf i thought dk would be way more fun lololol
its literally just spam stupid heart strike
strong forum
Yeah
wild hemlock
😦
strong forum
It's now literally like bear
wild hemlock
guess my dk will stay at 250 lol
strong forum
Spam 1 button, press DS in case of taking dmg
wild hemlock
its inasne how good prot warrior feels lol
safe thistle
Inspiring is the worst affix cause its with Fortified and that pugs suck at kicks/cc so tank get melted by cast.
strong forum
I convinced a former mdi competitor to reroll prot, and he's now higher rio on it than on his bdk
hoary glen
its my first time to play a tank. For what i must looking to gearing my fresh lvl 60 prot warri?
sec stats or itemlvl?
strong forum
Shield and general ilvl
strong forum
Ilvl >> haste > vers>=crit > mastery
hoary glen
on rings/neck too?
strong forum
Accessories you can drop up to 13 ilvl for better stats
wild hemlock
i would say theres a ~10 ilvl wiggle on rings
strong forum
Sockets are worth roughly additional 10ilvl on accessories
On armor sockets aren't worth more than 0-6ilvl
echo egret
Why is that ? It seems to me 16 haste is much harder to get on armor ilvl upgrades than rings ?
topaz field
primary stats are just worth more
hoary glen
well on my Vault i got:
https://www.wowhead.com/item=178848/entwined-gorger-tendril?bonus=1566%3A6808
and these rings i have on my warri:
https://www.wowhead.com/item=173133/quick-oxxein-ring 233 with haste socket and haste enchant
https://www.wowhead.com/item=178736/stitchfleshs-misplaced-signet?bonus=1551%3A6808 236
strong forum
Which ilvl from vault
urban portal
Why is that ? It seems to me 16 haste is much harder to get on armor ilvl upgrad...
beceause strength is op
hoary glen
Which ilvl from vault
252
urban portal
oh then just take whatever from vault
sick sentinel
hang on
strong forum
Eh
sick sentinel
@hoary glen
urban portal
252 vault is temporary
strong forum
Idk then just take the coin, buy some flux
sick sentinel
go into wow and hover over the item in question and hit ctrl + alt + printscreen, then come to this chat and hit ctrl V
strong forum
And try to get some better ilvl stuff from keys
sick sentinel
easier if we can see it
hoary glen
well overall itemlvl on my char is 232 ^^
sick sentinel
if its all he has then yeah its good but
topaz field
i understand
but if u want to gear your character you will get a better ring within 2 hours
if u dont want pick w/e
the coin can be used for a socket later
undone verge
gotta say, not a fan of necro
wild hemlock
i would say coin for flux
wild hemlock
gotta say, not a fan of necro
u crazy. feels so good on fortified weeks
bosses feel good on tyran
wild hemlock
i think it feels pretty good with fortified
i was running kyrian last week just cause shit died so fast lol
undone verge
Idk did a pf banner felt awful
maybe its just the dungeon cause pf I feel like is worse than most for keeping banner up but
theres so much mounting time
and relics are in terrible spots
I think it would def feel good in a dungeon where its easier to chain packs like SD or something
sick sentinel
but if u want to gear your character you will get a better ring within 2 hours
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5AkIfgioA4 shout out to the time nome got 3 rings and none were good from vault
scenic mural
necro feels like trash until you can actually keep banner up. you should be finsihing trash packs with time to get to the next. pf trash is not that spaced out
sick sentinel
just run like 1-2 m+'s and there will be about 3 ppl trying to give away some shitty ring lol, take u all of 2 hrs like he said
drifting fable
this is true, necro is much harder if you are struggling to keep your banner up. hit a training dummy and try for full uptime from one cast to the next if you feel like you need work on the banner
chrome falcon
if you're bad at banner you're bad at warrior
keeping banner uptime just requires good rage generation+spending
drifting fable
also pretty much true
chrome falcon
which is what you should be doing anyway
drifting fable
the rotation feeds into it
chrome falcon
"keeping up banner" isn't a specific thing you try to do
it just happens when you play correctly
drifting fable
true but its something you can watch as a guideline when you are smacking a dummy however
fallow osprey
do you generate similar amounts of rage on a dummy compared to a dungeon?
drifting fable
i mean it will be easier to keep uptime on a dummy since you dont have to move to trash
onyx vessel
The dummy that hits back
jagged pier
well u dont get intervene
onyx vessel
Having friends
stuck kite
lime urchin
stuff always looks cooler in french
blazing condor
baget
hardy ridge
stuck kite
french is
hardy ridge
you french canadian?
stuck kite
french french
hardy ridge
nice
echo egret
It was above 3600 a couple hours ago
distant crystal
alliance still is, p wild that so many pushers swapped
echo egret
@stuck kite "Dur au mal" translations are crappy, aren't they ?
ionic fern
alliance still is, p wild that so many pushers swapped
Why is it wild? 👀
It was pretty obvious a lot of serious pushers would swap since ALliance racials > Horde racials in m+.
cinder pasture
Aaah, gotta love vault
sick sentinel
mega mastery
hardy ridge
Mega pint
sage yacht
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/667046378991648778/986685375114281000/unk...
p free ngl
well
not as prot warr
is this eu or na
strong forum
looks like NA
sage yacht
ye
modern brook
It was pretty obvious a lot of serious pushers would swap since ALliance racial...
Blwuhi
Gzgzg
ionic fern
^
sick sentinel
nome gunna play d4? i'd rather stick with my boomer d2r
strong forum
bro ima nolife the shit out d4
hardy ridge
bro ima nolife the shit out d4
hope you have enough $ to enjoy it
kinda scared it's gonna be p2w after diablo immoral
hardy ridge
inb4 "you guys don't have credit cards?"
hardy ridge
https://i.imgur.com/H0gvtqG.png
let us hope brother
strong forum
pretty sure they know that nobody is happy with immoral
given that its the lowest rated game in history
also if they wouldnt have had the crazy popups of "buy this" and not release it on PC, i doubt it wouldve gotten even remotely as much hate
and also lying about the fact that you cant buy "gear" didnt help
they instead used the loophole of saying that the gems arent gear
grave crane
Yeah they had to have had people telling them this was gonna be a bad idea. But I imagine they’ll make more money from whales and people will forget or something idk
strong forum
its a mobile game
theyre literally all made to steal money
they just went an absolutely dogshit route of targeting the absolutely wrong audience with diablo immortal
hardy ridge
I mean blizzard has been pretty downhill for awhile, I will be pleasantly surprised if d4 isn't dogshit tbh
hardy ridge
and also lying about the fact that you cant buy "gear" didnt help
yeah this was pretty sus
strong forum
I mean blizzard has been pretty downhill for awhile, I will be pleasantly surpri...
im cautiously hopeful
cuz the formula for it succeeding is already there, and you can already see it
the paragon system + talent tree stuff is taking elements from PoE
the open world + bosses + hundreds of dungeons is combining lost ark with D3 bounties and rifts
the dark and gritty stuff is from d2
then give it the good ol d3 combat polish
throw in some interesting gear and skills and voila
good game
even if the game sucks, ill atleast have 1-2 weeks of good fun and thats already more than any single player game can offer
grave crane
Never really got into any of the Diablo games POE was kinda cool for a while
strong forum
for me its diablo > poe
cuz the gameplay is just 20x better, i dont care much for the ultra omega inventory manager simulator that poe is
toxic pewter
the talent trees on POE seem super daunting to me i wont lie
like its so much to take in as far as I can tell
maybe i am just noob as usual
lofty widget
you cnt play poe without a guide
strong forum
the talent tree is omega basic once you get a bit of playtime
toxic pewter
Oh really
strong forum
like its actually not that complex
lofty widget
at least not to begin with
toxic pewter
Ok
strong forum
it looks alot more intimidating than it is
strong forum
its basically split into int str and dex
toxic pewter
I see
strong forum
so 66% of the tree is irrelevant to you depending on your build
toxic pewter
I see
strong forum
of the remaining 33% of the tree like 30% of it is just you going through str/health nodes to get ot the node clusters you want
toxic pewter
is POE a pretty balanced game or wat
strong forum
no
toxic pewter
oh i see
strong forum
its not balanced in the slightest
toxic pewter
like the people that play it do they also like 'play the meta' kind of thing
strong forum
but you can make alot of stuff work if you play in trade league
lofty widget
i mean it just depends how much currency you put into your build
strong forum
most people play meta builds
just like in wow
most meta builds dont require good gear to function
they just do damage because of broken interactions, scaling of abilities
but you can make any build work if you put in alot of currency, but to get currency you have to know wtf youre doing
you cant just get lucky in PoE
lofty widget
wellll
strong forum
if you dont know what youre doing, you dont know what is worth anything or what is a good item
or what are good skills or interactions even
toxic pewter
Interesting
lofty widget
i started my first league and am already lvl 98, just get a build guide and grind mobs
until you learn shit
strong forum
my first league was the league i played the most
put in like 150hrs
but ever since then its gradually gotten less
until i just stopped playing 3 leagues ago
the gameplay loop wasnt rewarding for me
lofty widget
yea fair, does get repetitive i guess
strong forum
game doesnt give you any dopamine, its all just perma grind for those 0.5% upgrades
you dont get those "omg GG drop" powerspike moments
unless you grind currency to then buy big dick items instead of getting them yourself
lofty widget
i kinda like crafting for that reason
feels really good to wear something you put time and effort into getting
strong forum
crafting is so convoluted in this game
i want to play, not sit in my hideout for 70% of the time trying to roll in my item
strong forum
ive never played trade league
so theres that
but yeh, ill just stick to diablo, check out poe2 when it comes out( that was my original reason to check out poe out to begin with), to understand the basics a bit
lofty widget
havent played diablo myself so really excited for d4
drifting fable
did you play lost ark?
grave crane
The only games I really grind out is wow and borderlands For build specific items
strong forum
did you play lost ark?
Yah
strong forum
WTF last week we were number three ahead of vdh
Man you gotta stop checking subcreation on reset day holy fuck
toxic pewter
Every day I check
strong forum
Do you know how the website works?
strong forum
Then why do you keep checking it
lofty widget
go push some keys!
toxic pewter
Something to do
toxic pewter
Oh shit it is reset day in Europe
strong forum
Check back at maybe Sunday when most people have played for the week
toxic pewter
Ok
pallid quiver
not pushing keys, that's for sure
strong forum
Then you'll almost ge an almost reasonable list
pallid quiver
get back to me when i get a scale
strong forum
And yeah nobody will seriously push this week
toxic pewter
Blood dk already is a tier tho
strong forum
Bro just stop
toxic pewter
Y can’t we be a tier
pallid quiver
that's because there's a lot more people playing blood
toxic pewter
Doesn’t have to be that way
pallid quiver
so they can get the logs there faster
strong forum
If 1 bdk does a +29
And 1 pwar does a +27
Then bdk is S tier
And pwar is F tier
toxic pewter
What highest a p war done these day
strong forum
That's how this list works m8
toxic pewter
Have we timed 30 yet
strong forum
Sense has done a 30
toxic pewter
Nice
toxic pewter
What should I check then
strong forum
Nothing
toxic pewter
I gotta check something
strong forum
It's useless
pallid quiver
actual logs if anything to see how the runs went
toxic pewter
I see…
strong forum
That's like comparing gas prices around the world on a daily basis
toxic pewter
F tier a bit of a slap in the face though
strong forum
To see which country is the cheapest
toxic pewter
I am going to write a strongly tinder email to subcreation
strong forum
It's not a slap in the face cuz its an automatically generated list
toxic pewter
They gotta check their math
strong forum
It's automated from a bot
toxic pewter
I ain’t no f tier
strong forum
All this list says is that currently no prot warrior has done a +26 or higher this week
That is all....
toxic pewter
I see
strong forum
It's not an evaluation of power or anything
It's just an evaluation of who has done a high key in this current week
Based off of logs
The website literally says that!
toxic pewter
They need to implement some sort of fix, just cuz affixes switch don’t make us f tier tanks
pallid quiver
Speaking as a fighting game player, tier lists were a mistake
because this happens
toxic pewter
I will remember this subcreation I never visiting there again
lofty widget
it's all relative tho
might as well be 100 - 99 - 98 -97 -96 instead of letters
would be more accurate and ppl wouldnt complain as much about being lowest
strong forum
^
toxic pewter
This is a slap in the face to not only me, our entire community. I am surprised I am the only one outraged
I ain’t no F tier tank
Fuk that
strong forum
I literally explained the reasoning
toxic pewter
I understand the reasoning you laid out
But what I am saying that something is flawed in the calculation
This is an outrage
Already struggling to get into keys. Community perception hating on us day after day
Let me take a look where we stand…
F TIER
Lol u kiddin me right now
sick sentinel
,......... I'm 0retty sure everyone thinks some tank spec is bad
grave crane
And that spec is prot warrior except for other tank specs
toxic pewter
I ain’t no f tier
toxic pewter
No need to attack individuals directly
That is your opinion and that is fine
But no need to be rude
slim zinc
How about just stop treating subcreation and tier lists as gospel, subcreation is notoriously known to be aggregated data with no proper explanation
lofty widget
if only they knew
distant crystal
my bottom is reserved for prot warriors
toxic pewter
strong forum
I'm reserving something else entirely rn
shut summit
strong forum
?
distant crystal
pallid quiver
also, who do i have to bribe to get that check the pins role icon on a role that's not stormforged
sick sentinel
my goodness i just lost brain cells
pallid quiver
i gibe: money
i receive: ability to just type and remind people to check the pins
undone verge
well got my banner uptime to 60 in a mists
pallid quiver
damn, we got emotes for that. i guess that's acceptable for future use
pallid quiver
well got my banner uptime to 60 in a mists
Also, nice job so far; can still go higher, so keep burning that rage
toxic pewter
well got my banner uptime to 60 in a mists
Nice job!!
hearty perch
Guys i'm uploading my dungeon logs on warcraft logs to analyse. But when i upload, is shown as trash fight. Does anyone know what can it be?
wooden radish
sweet summit
Guys i'm uploading my dungeon logs on warcraft logs to analyse. But when i uploa...
did you enable advanced combat logging in your settings in game?
undone verge
woot 70% conq
also even in aoe do I want to spend outburst on SS for the rage? or TC
for reference on uptime
pallid quiver
SS for the rage gen
undone verge
gotcha
lofty widget
yes, it's 30 more rage and more dmg because you get basically 1.5 revenge
pallid quiver
It'll add up to more damage and mitigation over time
undone verge
whats a solid % uptime on banner?
lofty widget
80+ ideally, but can get 100
undone verge
the pulls are fine for me keeping it up, but my issue is when I need to chain in to another pull
like theres still 40 seconds on its duration and we need to do the NW skip for example where itll fall off and I wont have it for that next pack
hearty perch
did you enable advanced combat logging in your settings in game?
Yeah, i did.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/nKHVbGFPg3r8WXJp#type=damage-done&boss=-2&difficulty=0
Dont know what is happening. I will try again
lofty widget
if it's ner zudah skip you just leap ahead and go hit the two big dudes
if it's to the boss then yeah, you need to either hold banner for the boss or use it for the pack before the skip if you cant keep it up for both
it is what it is when you do long skips
lofty widget
Yeah, i did.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/nKHVbGFPg3r8WXJp#type=damage-d...
the log is still readable if you click the "trash fight"
stuck kite
HR or AM talent?
lofty widget
AM 100 %
stuck kite
Love HR but AM is most played
lofty widget
no question about it
stuck kite
HR is like 95% uptime on shield block
shut summit
doesnt matter