arent they undead?
#protection
jagged pier
dark lark
I feel like they can't be feared but maybe I'm wrong.
dark lark
It just breaks on damage anyway
shell shale
undead usually cant be feared too
dark lark
If the rest of your raid is grouping them up, just shockwave and that'll suffice
opal vale
Yeah my guilds just first night prog the DKs getting there but sometimes its 2 adds right at Anduin, was thinking I could throw them away as last resort but doesn't look like it effects them after a few pulls
Kul Tiran race change it is 🙂
chrome falcon
^
jagged pier
ele shammys
chrome falcon
it's really not your job
jagged pier
priests
chrome falcon
your job is to keep the big add still in a consistent position
sometimes shockwave
you shouldn't be running around to try to knock stuff around
candid niche
i just got asked a question i don't really know the answer too so i've come to ask you guys
what's a good uptime to have on banner over a key ?
blazing condor
i would say 80% covers all the varying variables that can differ between DGs
candid niche
aight i thought it was about that % but wanted to make sure before i upset them with the answer
jagged pier
well i mean 90% is also easy
lofty widget
100 is easy as well tbh, if youcan chain pull
jagged pier
98% is my top i think somthing like that
lofty widget
i got my first 1+ minute banner today, pretty exciting
strong forum
Huh
lofty widget
a banner with 1 minute duration
lofty widget
yea sry idk how to word that
strong forum
As in total buff duration stacked up to 1min
Not total length of how long you kept up Banner
lofty widget
nah was probably a 5 minute banner at that point
chrome falcon
full minute that's insane
pallid quiver
i've yet to do content where things live long enough for me to get a banner that big
chrome falcon
mine is like 35 seconds after the end of my LS
pallid quiver
I think I've peaked at like 28
strong forum
Idk where that's possible tho
lofty widget
was on kul tharok
jagged pier
depends how long the execute phase is really
jagged pier
in my 21 i think i got like 40 secs or somthing
strong forum
I think I had 30ish in my 21
jagged pier
i mean a min is doable but that execute phase must have been up for ages
strong forum
Or snapped a late urh up
oblique garnet
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Z3KDP1MHxAFnBhrb/#fight=1&type=damage-done&...
Gj im proud 
sweet summit
insane gamer 
blazing condor
Mod him
potent anvil
Man, my best was only 85%~ 
blazing condor
85% wasted rage pog
scenic mural
pallid quiver
If someone manages to legitimately get 100% wasted rage, they're a legend
mighty valley
genuinely hard to complete a key while pressing no rage spenders at all
dawn canyon
We do a 15 with pwar spend no rage challenge?
That's probably easier
Wait no
Repsiral sb
Idfk
Both bad
BDK no deathstrike
Yeye i played ppal in cn
Ik the Juice
potent anvil
Halls+22. I did it
My pala is gonna be ret once its geared. Just easier to gear it as prot atm
spiral warren
My pala is gonna be ret once its geared. Just easier to gear it as prot atm
I have a Ret it’s a lot of fun honestly
potent anvil
Yeah, dunno what it is but pala is fun. Having fun as prot atm. Want to try ret once geared.
spiral warren
Yeah I want to do the opposite been having lot of fun on Ret want to try prot
sick sentinel
holy is still pretty good too
both melee and healer, can wear weapons and shield attack crap be super aggro
mortal brook
Halls+22. I did it <:deswind:533073964096946176>
chrome falcon
we already have seraphim it's called avatar
sick sentinel
i dont see no 8% nothin
chrome falcon
same shit
dark lark
Btw @potent anvil are you the former pro starcraft terran player
chrome falcon
are you sure you're not thinking of desRow
dark lark
are you sure you're not thinking of desRow
You're absolutely right
alpine shard
deswind is the former pro mdi player
dark lark
@chrome falcon imagine what you could do if you devoted that gigabrain to the force of good
But here we are in #protection :(
You could've been curing cancer but instead you're topping parse charts
And remembering obscure sc2 pros
potent anvil
deswind is the former pro mdi player
sweet summit
Deswind, the inventor of snaps
shut summit
sick sentinel
when i very first started to play wow i thought that prot warrior was a pretty cool but really dumb idea
i stick by that still
my dream is to bust ghostses
sinful plover
Prot warrior defines tanking
ocean yoke
we dps spec now
toxic pewter
You guys think gladiator stance or a variant of it will come back
I can see the new trees somehow incorporating it
pallid quiver
no, i don't think it ever will. I want it to, but
merry trout
Im planning on maining war tank next season to get ksm, is it actually possible? Asking coz according to warcraft logs, war tank is ranked the lowest, are they really that bad?
chrome falcon
you could literally get ksm this season
on a character wearing season 2 gear
probably even season 1 gear
prot warriors are doing 28s with relative easy
this class is very strong if you know what you're doing
merry trout
probably even season 1 gear
is it because war tanks are that good or because M+ are easy? 😛
chrome falcon
both.
merry trout
ah
chrome falcon
prot is very strong right now
people thinking we're bad is 100% community perception being tainted by streamers+mdi
plus the fact that we're probably one of the hardest tanks to get a lot from
and a lot of people are very, very bad
merry trout
ahhh, alright. Thanks for the info man.
lucid finch
Prot warriors have the worst magic DRs out of the tanks that’s the only reason they aren’t as good
chrome falcon
prot warrior still had the worst magic DR out of all the tanks in BFA
and we were the best tank then
lucid finch
Yea cuz the scaling was fucked
chrome falcon
🤷♂️
point stands
also we're fine against magic
if you play properly
spell reflect = good button
what other class can DR 20% magic damage on a 20 second CD
people think prot sucks because it's really hard to get more than 10k dps out of it
but we have people in here doing 13-15k
lucid finch
people think prot sucks because it's really hard to get more than 10k dps out of...
prot warriors do insane dmg wym
chrome falcon
hey man i know
don't ask me
i guess i mean 10k wcl dps
or maybe not idk
we have a ton of people in here every day asking why they can't break 10k idk
hard class + mr streamer says it bad + 0 mdi representation = bad class >:C
vernal vale
we have a ton of people in here every day asking why they can't break 10k idk
i break 10k consistantly now on details but logs are like 6-8k only
onyx vessel
Bfa was cuz of the vers stack and pressing avatar ment you were unkillable
Prot warrior hate for m+ has been around since the start of m+
No utility, no magic dr, no healing, middle of the pack dmg
vernal vale
I pushed 20s in legion. Bur artifact made us really strong
toxic pewter
we have utility, we got intervene dr, battleshout, aoe taunt, rallying cry, conquerors banner buff for allies
shattering throw
onyx vessel
Yeah we do but they dont see those
toxic pewter
true I will admit most of what I listed is considered crap by most people
bright dock
If they run with hunters lol
ionic fern
Your profile picture is not Hulk..it's some old dude. I feel betrayed.
bright dock
Lol
I just needed a name to fool the dirty horde in to thinking I was one of them back in the day when I faction changed
Figured some version of hulk and an orc would do the trick
And it did
ionic fern
Reasonable.
onyx vessel
bright dock
I dont run super high stuff as prot war anymore but in 23+ tyrannical safeguard helped our surv on a lot of stuff not 1 shotting
Before full 278 gear
bright dock
It's not so bad with gear these days but I imagine they need a lot of externals in higher stuff
Oh then just rip the rally conduit
Will get way more use I'd imagine
cold zealot
Who needs a healer anyway in a 16 tirna 😄
silk edge
Hey folks, another banner question. Is the ally buff affected by the legendary or is it just the original 15 sec (iirc) and then its gone ?
urban portal
Latter
silk edge
K thx
queen bobcat
what's the range on banner? I thought it always targeted the 3 closest players but Í have some casts where I only buff 1-2 players
sharp helm
Been curious to pick up tanking for m+ how is queuing up as war tank do we get invited a lot like other tanks or are people declining us cause we are the worst ATM?
pallid quiver
i mean, i get declined from +2s, once with the justification that "they wouldn't be able to clear with a prot war"
It's not too bad getting invited,
but it's definitely worse than if you were a BDK or something
sharp helm
Ye that is the thing, I rather not lol and regear an alt for keys
Wish they just buff us to make us equal footing
Or best
pallid quiver
well
we're already probably better than some of the other tank specs
it doesn't matter though to the public
sharp helm
I mean we can pull more and easily survive
pallid quiver
Hell, we could be better than a BDK, wouldn't matter unless a major personality said "WARRIOR SECRET TOP TIER!?!? YOU WON'T BELIEVE THIS DAMAGE!!!"
that being said,
pallid quiver
many of the groups that'd decline you like that would probably fail to clear, anyhow
something something don't need to be good at your class to push keys, just look at top raider.io warrior logs
i prefer to be sleeper, too, since it acts as an auto-filter
my warlock runs into a lot more terrible groups by virtue of "OMG PUMP CLASS LET'S GO EZ DUNGEON" and then people don't understand how to point a hook at the professor in NW and i get called bad at the class
pallid quiver
I don't care what people fail to do or refuse to learn or whatever,
just as long as you're not a jackass about it
unfortunately, the general mentality taught to most players of wow is to be a jackass
pallid quiver
As long as I'm getting better at pushing my own damage while controlling enemies and keeping my damage intake sane, I don't care if we clear or not or whatever
I'm way past any potential for elitism. Like, what if their kid has an emergency or something? I don't really care; I'm not in a guild or anything. I'm not playing with any prior made commitments, so whatevs
onyx vessel
Declined from 2s is probably they dont want a 270 tank carrying or looking for a armour stack
queen bobcat
Ran a halls yesterday with a shaman who did not know how to decurse on second boss. Had to inv 3 different mages after until I found one who knew how to decurse. He then proceeded to decurse me once right before I used Stoneform since I did not trust him. Don't know how people like that manage to get a rating above 3k. Guess I should have been pushing during the last push weeks. Now I'm stuck with idiots who got easy score 😡
pallid quiver
yo my score still ain't even 1500 at the moment because i've just been mashing my face into the same dungeon over and over sniping drops
it's pretty funny, tbh
pallid quiver
Dos at the moment, yeah
I was hitting ToP/Mists for a shield, since I was rocking a 223 for like a month
queen bobcat
Also is ITF bugged?I get like 16% haste from it at 5 stacks. Does it have anything to do with DR at 30/40%?
onyx vessel
40% i think
queen bobcat
How much haste do you have unbuffed?
36% up to 52% with 5 stacks
strong forum
what's the range on banner? I thought it always targeted the 3 closest players b...
15ish yards iirc
strong forum
Also is ITF bugged?I get like 16% haste from it at 5 stacks. Does it have anythi...
Haste works multiplicative
And ITF ignores the DRs
All %increases ignore the stat DRs, all haste % is multiplicative because when you're at 0% on your character sheet, you're in reality at 100% haste.
So when you have 36% haste, you're at 136% then multiply that by the 10% you're getting extra from ITF and you'll end up alot higher than only 46%
queen bobcat
ahhh so it's "more" instead of "increased"? 😄
strong forum
If that's the terminology you wanna use, yes
queen bobcat
This is something I am very familiar with thanks to PoE 😄 I knew about the % increase ignoring the DR, since it's not flat stats but the increased / more thing was new to me. Good to know. So basically the more haste you have, the better ITF gets.
queen bobcat
huh. Same with enrage as well?
strong forum
It's exclusive to haste tho
queen bobcat
ohhh ok. That's good to know
While we're at ITF: I know people here say that ravager > ITF in m+ but is it mainly for burst damage / aggro or overall? I have been experimenting with both quite a bit and ITF just feels a lot better to play with and my overall DPS is higher. I get a lot more SS / Executes / Revenges with ITF than I get with ravager. Also ravager is "only" ~ 1000 DPS over a dungeon, while the DPS I gain from the extra globals thanks to the haste is 1500 DPS+. Managing banner uptime is also a lot easier with ITF imho.
strong forum
Ravager is alot more dmg on 4+ targets and nets more rage per minute than itf
You're also much less likely to maintain 5 stacks of itf at all times in m+, especially on bosses, than in raid
chilly brook
While we're at ITF: I know people here say that ravager > ITF in m+ but is it ma...
Then you’re playing wrong
ITF shouldn’t be betting you any real huge difference in casts of shield slam, revenge or execute
You’re talking like maybe 4 extra casts per minute of your actual on gcd abilities
queen bobcat
nah, I was simply misremembering. I just checked logs and even though I was slacking a ton on intervene when I was playing ravager, my banner uptime was only 3% lower. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/KHdrA9Cp8WZJbjwg/Mvzfnm6Z8X3t4QVa#fight=2,1&source=164,3&type=auras
gonna try ravager again today I guess
but I like having 50%+ haste :/
chilly brook
Everyone likes having more haste
But at the end of the day you’ll be more than fine in dungeons without itf
strong forum
The issues is, in the situations where you'll get 5 stacks of itf, ravager will just be better
In raid ITF is better cuz you'll have 5 stacks at all times but only fight 1 target
queen bobcat
yeah, since you mainly get the haste from enemies and not from allies, correct?
chilly brook
^
queen bobcat
in m+ I mean
chilly brook
Yes but no
queen bobcat
so since you get the haste from enemies mainly, it means you probably have 4+ targets and thus ravager does more damage
strong forum
Ye
Ravager catapults ahead after 5 targets
Cuz it's uncapped
Or well, softcapped to 8
chilly brook
Haste in dungeons has less effect on damage as the engagements are not only shorter but your targets die as well. Plus the fact you’ll have ranged. And like Nom is saying it just simply is better on a damage standpoint
So you might get 2 extra casts off on one pack
Whereas you just missed out on the full damage of ravager on several targets and the huge rage influx
Which should lead to more revenges overall
queen bobcat
ahh good point. CDR is only really valuable once the fight is long enough
strong forum
Technically haste is better on aoe than on ST 
queen bobcat
same for all stats, no?
chilly brook
Technically haste is better on aoe than on ST <:seanbee:836829660016803860>
The point I’m making is it’s not normal for packs to be lasting for more than a minute
chilly brook
Usually a pack is 30-50 seconds
chilly brook
Granted with banner you’re trying to stay in combat indefinitely
strong forum
If its between stats, then haste is the better aoe stat, but haste vs dmg, dmg wins
queen bobcat
Crit/vers gets better in ST over haste
yeah, I can see that with ashen juggernaut. Criting for 40k with a ~70% crit chance is insane
strong forum
Well yeh, crit vers have always been amazing St dmg stats for us
But haste is many good for everything
queen bobcat
so should I maybe replace my elegy with phial / sack?
strong forum
Not with sack
queen bobcat
I got 265 elegy + scale currently but got a 272 phial as well
strong forum
Then I'd run elegy + phial
queen bobcat
mainly for m+ though
strong forum
Scale is nowhere near good before like idk 24s?
sick sentinel
I personally running scale and sack but I'd want a different automatic trinket
strong forum
Assuming proper play*
queen bobcat
currently easily doing 23s and am planning to start pushing higher with my group soon
so would like to keep scale
so basically I guess, elegy or phial better for m+?
currently at ~36% haste with elegy
strong forum
Elegey is more defensive, phial is just raw dmg
Technically elegy + scale is as good as it gets in terms of 9.2 loot
Assuming you don't wanna get aegis/weave from sod
queen bobcat
aight, thx!
strong forum
But from what I can tell from your logs
You're not using IP enough and overusing revenge
queen bobcat
are you looking at the ravager or the ITF log from the link? Cause I changed quite a bit about my play since then^^
strong forum
Which leads to underusing other abilities
queen bobcat
the ITF one is the "improved" one
strong forum
Was checking out your 21top from this week
queen bobcat
are those from yesterday? Was playing like this there. Sick 😄
these should be better ones 😄
queen bobcat
You're not using IP enough and overusing revenge
Does it make a difference though, as long as I'm not capping? My idea was more revenge / execute == more Shieldslams
queen bobcat
even if I don't cap rage?
strong forum
You seem to do fine but it the IP usage is unusually low
Have never seen somebody below 10cpm of IP with 4p
Cuz what happens by dumping mostly with revenge you'll end up skipping SS casts
queen bobcat
why that?
ohhh
SS procs with devestator and stuck in GCD maybe?
or am I missing something else?
strong forum
Cuz you'd just not dump rage fast enough
So you'd have to press revenge a few globals more before you could use SS again to not overcap
pallid quiver
If you're not capping and you have too high of Revenge casts, it's implying that you're skipping SS resets in order to press more Revenge
strong forum
That's just seismic
true pawnBOT
Done.
strong forum
or am I missing something else?
So yeah, this could lead to lower banner uptime and lower rage generated overall
In my 37min top I generated 33k rage (could've been alot better but we wiped late on a boss 
)
In your 34min top you generated 27k rage
Ideally the number should be as close to 1k/min if not more
queen bobcat
If you're not capping and you have too high of Revenge casts, it's implying that...
honestly don't think I am
queen bobcat
So you'd have to press revenge a few globals more before you could use SS again ...
I always IP, if I realize I will cap rage with my next SS
lofty widget
you gotta charge a whole lot more too, should help on your blocked hits too
queen bobcat
yeah I'm honestly a bit "scared" of leaping and charging and accidently hitting others with frontals
lofty widget
just take a few steps back when a mob/boss is casting, charge a caster, use shockwave
theres almost never a reason to leap/charge
strong forum
Inherently you're doing nothing wrong Krytos
Just small optimisations
I'm also far from perfect, I for example underuse revenge
queen bobcat
@strong forum when would you IP? I currently do it if at 85 rage and SS is about to be used, at 55 rage with outburst up, at 75 rage with last stand up and I try to keep rage below 35, when both last stand and outburst are up
queen bobcat
haha ok 😄
lofty widget
well you still shouldnt overcap in execute range
so same rule applies, you just have a much better rage dump available
so it's generally not needed
to ip
queen bobcat
yeah, makes sense
strong forum
I guess cuz you didn't run ravager you could dump more into revenge than IP
Cuz you don't get those burst rage gains from ravager
strong forum
:x
strong forum
133.7%
queen bobcat
^
strong forum
But yeah I guess ravager is the main culprit, LS + Ravager + Banner is a HUGE IP Spam bonanza
onyx vessel
In raid ravager? 
strong forum
Cuz you generate like 400 rage in a 10sec window if you throw in a couple outbursts
No this was me thinking out loud regarding Krytos
In raid always ITF
Not worth to switch to ravager for anduin or lihuvim pad
onyx vessel
Some fights where you cant hit the boss for a bit are rough for banner uptime
strong forum
Can't rly think of any
lofty widget
first boss
queen bobcat
Cuz you generate like 400 rage in a 10sec window if you throw in a couple outbur...
yeah, that makes a lot of sense
lofty widget
i had my raid group lust at 20 % so i could have some more fun on that boss
strong forum
Very valid
narrow fog
Hmm, you are right
If we are meta meta
Then every cuck is gonna rerollprot
And suck ass balls nuts
stuck kite
What is the wall uptime, if we use AM + Wall Legendary+ The Wall conduit
lofty widget
could probably get it to 30 sec if you really game it, but who needs wall that often is the question
strong forum
Thing is, the more cdr you add to it the less effect it will have
You can only fit in so many gcds
blazing condor
funny how it took teams 3 seasons to realize you can line the plague stomp on first boss PF
sharp helm
I wonder can you intervene someone to skip duel fight on the top boss like you can skip NW exile?
lofty widget
no
brave crystal
Hi there, pretty new as ProtWar, I wonder why the fuck did the last boss of SD reset after I intervened a rogue (who didn't dispa neaither did he evade) when the boss was gonna charge him ?
Happens 2 time, so kinda weird x)
strong forum
That sounds really weird
You got a log?
Cuz even if the rogue vanishes the boss shouldn't just despawn
lofty widget
well it's a strat to feign/vanish when she jumps so that cant be the issue
brave crystal
Nah, didn't think to record nor log it, as it happened only on Rogue, I stopped intervene him and was wondering tho
lofty widget
neither is it with intervene, at least i never had any issues like that
brave crystal
Well, should have reported the bug then, mb x)
echo egret
Stradama, static boss : if I (tank) am not in range she will hit the next person in range on her threat list ?
lofty widget
if youre not in range she will put a huge debuff on your entire party
and most likely wipe you
blazing condor
knowledge is power
blazing condor
jagged pier
echo egret
if youre not in range she will put a huge debuff on your entire party
A DPS died from a melee swing from her... so I'm wondering how that can happen. The 1st thing I can think of is when she emerges, if I'm not in range and the DPS is, and if her threat table has been wiped. But it wasn't after her emerging.
blazing condor
i havent played in ages so may be wrong
but ive had melees getting slapped on that boss too
echo egret
I know I wasn't in range due to an add being too close
blazing condor
most likely from me not being closest
when she emerged or something
she wont debuff the entire party if only the tank isnt in melee
its usually if no one is
but idrk
echo egret
Hence my initial supposition - if threat 1 isn't in range, she checks threat 2 etc, and only if no one is in range she does her group-nuke
lofty widget
yea that's probably it, kul tharok works the same way
blazing condor
kul tharok does the cast
torpid gull
In Gambit: Which murlocs will be inspired with the new affix Rotation? If its just the scalebinders, Gambit should be pretty easy, right?
undone verge
In Gambit: Which murlocs will be inspired with the new affix Rotation? If its ju...
You can check mdt just set the affixes to inspired
toxic pewter
I will say I think prot warrior is weakest tank for inspiring week
Our lack of mob control is just even more evident
sick sentinel
time to go checkmy shitter vault today
I didn't want to run 4 more 15s so I ran bunch of 11-13 tops, still a 268 for 3rd option just incase
lofty widget
Our lack of mob control is just even more evident
on inspiring weeks mob control doesnt matter anyway 
toxic pewter
I suppose so but still
urban portal
yeah im really curious, what mobs are you controlling when mobs cant be controlled
toxic pewter
just general lack of cc and mob control that other tanks have
one of prot warr greatest weaknesses
Do i take these bracers with a socket? Feel like my current bracers with haste and avoidance on them are better right
toxic pewter
their shield shit
lofty widget
grip OP
chrome falcon
vdh has the worst CC in the role
toxic pewter
they have a mass aoe
chrome falcon
apart from druid
urban portal
again who cares what control you have
chrome falcon
you know we have shockwave right
urban portal
blood DK had the same CC from 9.0 to 9.2
chrome falcon
and an aoe interrupt
urban portal
that didnt make blood dk good in 9.0
toxic pewter
I am talking about controlling mobs and their placement in real time
toxic pewter
prot warr has no ability do deal with that
chrome falcon
where you can't do that
but that shit literally doesn't matter
it just doesn't
it's irrelevant
toxic pewter
Right but say an inspiring mob is in the pack. how do you displace that mob
Zero control
lofty widget
interrupt
chrome falcon
how does ANYONE displace that mob
ocean yoke
yell at my friends
chrome falcon
does that made bdk the only viable tank
toxic pewter
bear has knockback
lofty widget
youre 5 ppl to take 1 kick, i think every single tank can manage that
toxic pewter
all other tanks have something
chrome falcon
LMAO
you gonna typhoon the inspiring mob?
great idea
that sounds awesome
i'd love to see that
or you're gonna
single target
sigil of chains it?
toxic pewter
You are just being argumentitive because it is me. Everyone knows prot warr weakness is not able to deal with mobs and their current placement in time and space
forget inspiring
chrome falcon
no i would be argumentative with anyone saying stupid shit like this
toxic pewter
just in general
chrome falcon
prot warrior has been the top tank
toxic pewter
It is a known prot warr weakness
chrome falcon
with no "mob control"
bdk has been the worst tank
with good "mob control"
these are not relevant measures of tank power
they don't matter
toxic pewter
Right but if a caster is off 35 yards away free casting waht you gonna do about it
all other tanks have some option
except maybe bear
chrome falcon
i think there are literally no casters
ocean yoke
wonder which dps ninja pulled it
lofty widget
then you fucked up if thats the case
toxic pewter
You are just wrong objectively this is one of the prot warr basic weaknesses
lofty widget
and then you tell your caster friend to kick it
toxic pewter
I am talking about mob control
urban portal
damn LOSing too hard or what
toxic pewter
it is one of prot warriors greatest weaknesses
chrome falcon
"oh you think prot warrior is strong? well what are you gonna do if your keyboard breaks and your dps ninja pull the entire instance"
shit bro i dunno probably wipe just like everyone else
urban portal
our point is that those weaknesses dont matter
toxic pewter
Yeah they do
toxic pewter
that is why bdk so strong they can control mobs better
urban portal
same applies in the dps world, now that warlock does HUGE damage all of a sudden their util is good in m+
chrome falcon
ring of peace is a fucking terrible ability
urban portal
when they had the same util from 9.0 to 9.2
toxic pewter
they are just better quality of life upgrades
lofty widget
their dmg is their util
urban portal
yeah and not their absurd dps and tankyness
chrome falcon
apb
i want you to seriously answer
this next question
just
this one question
if mob control is so important
why was prot warrior so good in bfa
lofty widget
you dont bring warlocks for the cc, same way you dont bring dk for grips, you bring it for DMG
chrome falcon
when it had 0 mob control
and if mob control is so important
why was bdk so bad
in 9.0
when it had the same mob control it has now
toxic pewter
I never said prot warr isnt the best, i tihnk currently we are the best
toxic pewter
I am just saying one of our greatest weaknesses is the mob control
chrome falcon
i gave you
toxic pewter
It was due to TC/avatar spam being strong and into the fray was better too
and dungeons were just pull everything
toxic pewter
They were undertuned a lot iirc
toxic pewter
Yes
chrome falcon
that "mob control" is fucking irrelevant
toxic pewter
I do agree
toxic pewter
I am just saying I wish prot had some sort of mob control
chrome falcon
i think we made some real progress today
chrome falcon
do any other classes have an aoe stun on a 40 second CD btw
toxic pewter
i think shaman can get to 45 sec iirc
urban portal
tank
toxic pewter
but that is a good point
chrome falcon
tank classes
urban portal
brew is on 1 min
toxic pewter
That is a strong point
urban portal
and does no damage though that doesnt matter
toxic pewter
that is true
Ok I stand corrected in various aspects
not sure what to pick or do i just take a socket
urban portal
pawn is bad
well less bad for tanks
because its all feelycrafting anyways
but its horrible for dps
toxic pewter
lol
wat
its just an add on to help with stats and stuff
whats wrong with it
also pretty rude to not even offer advice when I am asking for help picking and instead make fun of my addons... for shame.
sick sentinel
.......
sick sentinel
....BLIZZZZZZZAARRDDD
lofty widget
cause more stats (socket) > better stats
sick sentinel
son of a bitch 268 afe when its in my vault, could have been 278
that unless i should take the hammer for more dps
lofty widget
I added the necklace situation though
depends on your haste tbh, i personally wouldnt use jewellry without haste but if you dont drop below like 30-35 % haste you could probably make a case for the neck being the pick
toxic pewter
depends on your haste tbh, i personally wouldnt use jewellry without haste but i...
ty
urban portal
its just an add on to help with stats and stuff
because its wrong
especially on dps
toxic pewter
Lol here we go
toxic pewter
how is it wrong if I use my own stat weights though
urban portal
because stat weights are dynamic
toxic pewter
You mean that it changes depending on the situation
urban portal
do you understand the difference between stat weights and top gear on raidbots
toxic pewter
Top gear locates the gear that will do the most dps on single target or aoe situations I think
toxic pewter
Ok thank you I will read that
toxic pewter
the weights I use in pawn for prot are numbers I made up tbh based on what i sort of value
yeah i realize they are all bs i sort of tiered
I realize it says noxxic, i changed the values though
urban portal
how do you know if your values are right
toxic pewter
I mean I guess I will never know
urban portal
then whats the value of pawn
toxic pewter
Because the numbers I entered are basically how I value stats
urban portal
nice
blazing condor
278 wep u can only get from vault
268 afe u can get from farming soa
Even 272 if you upgrade
sick sentinel
i am pretty much diametrically opposed to mythic raiding i'd imagine
sick sentinel
its off topic now, but i heard today asmon was trying to run M-SOD last night i guess and he couldn't make it past 2nd boss in 2 wipes so it fell apart and hes STILL mad about it
lofty widget
that's what made him "quit" wow i think
sick sentinel
and so im just heavily biased against raid as time has gone on, its cool on paper sucks in reality
honestly though, you get what you deserve or something along those lines trying to get carried in a patch old raid that nobody at all is doing just for transmog, monday night, like i coulda forseen it wouldn't go anywhere i mean
lofty widget
dont forget your enchants
round cliff
enchants huh
lofty widget
ring enchants, +16 haste on each ring
round cliff
yea i got em
round cliff
neck didnt update yet but
thats my setup
idk why it shows my haste as 24 when its 29 but w/e
lofty widget
yeah looks good, probably look to replace the iqd and get some high haste rings
toxic pewter
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/area-52/fruiter
Nice we are on the same server!
round cliff
yeah looks good, probably look to replace the iqd and get some high haste rings
do i have a way to easily replace this 246 shield
soon ill just MAKE a high haste ring
i dont have a belt to replace my current one with tho
sick sentinel
do i ever equip any of the crafted rings for any reason basically with 272++ in 3 jewellery slots
i have a crafted ring and neck in bags already
safe thistle
I don't even get your question ⁉️
dawn canyon
do i ever equip any of the crafted rings for any reason basically with 272++ in ...
If you have sockets and haste vers on all of them why drop ilvl
Unless you need the avoidance tertiary on crafted
Which you shouldnt as tank
sick sentinel
was thinking more for there is a proc that does a heal, and more importantly one that gives str buff
lofty widget
agreed
uncut notch
So heroic shout
and what are we calling the bres shout
"you die when i say you die shout"
toxic pewter
Is Rallying cry effectively considered a 20% groupwide temporary DR
or is there more nuance to it
lofty widget
dont think so
if you get hit for 1 million a 20 % dr would mitigate 200k, but rally can only "mitigate" 20 % of your total hp
toxic pewter
Ah yeah that is true
I think a good raid /group utility would be to make rallying cry a 20% dr instead of 20% total hp
could give us a lot more utility
or if that is too op make it like 15% or 10% or some crap
alpine shard
on the other hand if you have 5k hp and you take a hit for 10k then a 20% dr wouldnt save you but rally would
toxic pewter
yeah that is true, rallying has the effect that helps after the damage is taken something a dr cant really do at all
hmm
alpine shard
no i mean a 20% dr would turn the hit into 8k which would still kill you, while rally would turn your hp into something like 25k which would make you survive a 10k hit
sick sentinel
fort, inpsired, grevious
toxic pewter
no i mean a 20% dr would turn the hit into 8k which would still kill you, while ...
if i have 5k, then rallying just increases it 20% right? So I would have 6k with rallying still die. unless im missing something
toxic pewter
OHHHHHHHHHH right
gotcha yes that is true 100% I misunderstood
good point
Rallying much better in that case yes
and that does appear to occur a lot
a case like you describe
alpine shard
it's really good in raids when a big hit is coming while your healers are already having trouble keeping people alive
grave crane
Nah I like rally for a instant heal and then increases temp max hp, healers appreciate your every time
urban portal
However it’s the only raidwide that isn’t an hps up for the group
Since you lose the rally hp once it expires
toxic pewter
Yes that is true, i agree it is better how it is now after thinking about it
urban portal
There’s ups and downs
toxic pewter
Would a groupwide DR be interesting though for prot warriors? something that could give us more utility
urban portal
No
toxic pewter
didnt we have an anima power or some crap that did that
what do prot warriors even want
toxic pewter
Are prot warriors happy with everything they have currently
ocean yoke
it would either be hilariously op and kneecapped immediately or be so small to be lame from the rip
urban portal
The fact that AMZ was only magic and you had to huddle was nerfed
No shot rally would be a dr
The current iteration is fine
You create 20k temp hp so healers have a buffer
And no positioning requirements
toxic pewter
Yah true
What is something warriors could get in dragonflight to give us more utility though
or do we already bring enough
alpine shard
However it’s the only raidwide that isn’t an hps up for the group
heals based on max hp are stronger during rally
urban portal
Didn’t know those even exist
alpine shard
big victory rush gaming
ocean yoke
dranei racial
toxic pewter
I mean not necesarily though, if you are way low on hp
urban portal
Always thought cocoon was big spell power
Obviously you gotta do what you gotta do
But it’s such a minor hps up compared to amz and dark
lavish oracle
272 Soleah's or 278 anima emitter?
Probably Soleah's, right?
my vault is 2 278 shields and an emitter, I might just take a better stat shield, haha
toxic pewter
what ilvl is ur current shield
lavish oracle
also 278
toxic pewter
hmmm
lavish oracle
crit vers, though
toxic pewter
the emitter is annoying to play around for me personally, but it prob is better if you want to play with it and all
soleah just so much easier
its tough
sick sentinel
i thought rally was just a max 20% hp temp increase/heal
alpine shard
yeah increases max and current hp by 20% for the duration
current hp being increased by 20% of your max hp
lavish oracle
it's way more than that if you have the conduit
like 30% at 265 or something around there
sick sentinel
max and current? so if i have 100k and then i'm at 100k, i heal for 20k + 20k?
urban portal
No
lavish oracle
28%*
sick sentinel
no idea "max and current hp" means
lavish oracle
if you're at 50k out of 100k
alpine shard
if you're at 20k hp and you increase your max hp by 20% it doesnt really do much
lavish oracle
and use rally
alpine shard
so you also increase your current hp by 20% of your max hp
lavish oracle
you'll be at 60k out of 120k
urban portal
Sometimes there are effects where it makes your max health bigger but doesn’t heal you
lavish oracle
Oh, yeah, sorry, just woke up
sick sentinel
i like to think that i use rally for team more than i do myself, but i probably do it more to save my ass
lavish oracle
I press it when I hear my healer go "oh shit"
grave crane
didnt we have an anima power or some crap that did that
There’s a leggo that gives shield wall to the raid at 25 or 50% I think
toxic pewter
Oh yeah interesting
jagged pier
There’s a leggo that gives shield wall to the raid at 25 or 50% I think
Party
urban portal
If it was raid then prot warrior would be a prog monster
simple stream
every tank would be required lmao
onyx vessel
The raid that would be auto taking 2 prot warriors every one
alpine shard
would be even more cracked than beta mass spell reflect lego
onyx vessel
Considering how short wall is with banner
Ik its largely from reprisal
But for just party that legendary is weak
urban portal
Ye with party it’s whatever
onyx vessel
Obviously they cant make it for the raid
If they did it would be 1/4
10% dr for raid on a what 2min cd
urban portal
Imagine a tier where you need to play 2 prot wars
onyx vessel
Never happened cept for vanilla
urban portal
would be even more cracked than beta mass spell reflect lego
I’m confused on why mass sr would be good
Feel like you can’t sr 90% of raid mechs
mighty valley
20% raid magic DR on a 20sec cooldown would be wild
round cliff
whats the prot warrior torghast meta
alpine shard
imagine if amz had a 20 second cooldown
onyx vessel
Get unkillable and ez mode
urban portal
Yeah makes sense
mighty valley
old amz, no cap, 20s cooldown, no location requirement
urban portal
Keep forgetting the 20%
round cliff
Get unkillable and ez mode
same talent setups as normal?
onyx vessel
Yeah
urban portal
Was it party or raid
mighty valley
nothing matters in torghast, you cannot die
onyx vessel
Get the fleshcraft lasts 15 seconds and blows up stack fleshcraft increase
Pull the room
1hit
alpine shard
i think it was party
onyx vessel
Warrior got the nerf bat hard at 9.0
lavish oracle
I kinda wish we got to choose the 2nd legendary, so we could play around with some of the less used legendaries
alpine shard
but i think it was strong enough that it was worth it to run 4 warriors just to have 1 in each party
ocean yoke
leaper as second
toxic pewter
Is the wall any good in mythic+
onyx vessel
We wouldnt change tbh
alpine shard
if it went live in that state
lavish oracle
I just want the option
toxic pewter
wall sort of scales with outburst now that I think about it
lavish oracle
I don't have the illusion that they'd be the go-to or anything
toxic pewter
wait does the 5 extra rage from the wall apply to outbursts
mighty valley
having to fully empty the tank before every SS
toxic pewter
would be a shit load of rage every outburst ss
lofty widget
i dont think you can reliably get to 0 rage without sitting on ss procs
sick sentinel
shame UW will likely never see any play
+16s of party wide 25% DR and then like maybe you pair it with SG,.... +45% dr just from you on 1 of your 5, seems solid to me
strong forum
Should've just let us wear a utility and a throughput legendary
Categorise them, and bam
pallid finch
So, I hear it’s Necro for Prot. Any of you run Kyrian? Also, any of you ran both Cov at some point and thought Necro may be “too fast”? I’m coming over as a Kyrian Prot Pally and am curious about the play style-rotation comp.
jagged pier
ive played both, necro is just far out better in every single way more damage more survivability more fun obviously the fun aspect is subjective
yes its faster
like a lot faster
70cpm up to 80 cpm
but if u cant get used to it
kyrian isnt that bad
strong forum
Kyrian gets better in low keys, but if you aim to play to the max potential of pwar and want to go into higher keys, then necro is the way
pallid finch
Thanks! Got it!
strong forum
And in raid everything is lagging behind necro by a sizeable amount
mighty valley
i'd play necro while you can, i don't think anything like this playstyle will exist past shadowlands
for a while at least
dawn canyon
SL prot aint bad tho
shut summit
it is for my hand
shut summit
/ wrist
chrome falcon
i played prot for all of wod and i literally cannot remember anything about it
jagged pier
was just fun to play
chrome falcon
yeah i don't remember it being bad or anything
jagged pier
bloodbath felt cool
execute with execute talents
glad stance for fun
still had some banners
chrome falcon
yeah bloodbath was sweet
shut summit
loved enraged regen
chrome falcon
yeah i loved how in mop (wod too?) enrage was a thing for prot too
jagged pier
we had enrage in wod
chrome falcon
i still think 7.0 prot was criminally underrated
and didn't need to be reworked
even though it gave us deva which we are eternally grateful for
brittle owl
should bring back shield enchants tbh
round cliff
apparently i was supposed to craft unity on head and not ring? rip
my head is my only 278 piece tho so prob not better for me specifically
brittle owl
i wouldn't sweat it if i were you
most people are in dragonflight waiting room anywy
round cliff
i kinda am tbh
i might consider just forcing myself away from wow so i dont burnout before dragonflight
round cliff
whirlwind prot almost sounds like a dps loss from revenge prot
chrome falcon
it is
round cliff
xd
round cliff
im also in the sf6 waiting room so maybe ill play more sfv
vernal vale
glad stance for fun
Glad stance to hit 90 CPM and show it could be good.
spark tundra
Hi guys what’s a good banner uptime and also shield block and ignore pain for mythic plus plz?
urban portal
Good banner is 100
Ignore pain uptime doesn’t matter
Shield block uptime you should look at %blocked hits
jagged pier
u need logs to look at the important bit of SB