thats how bad current trinkets, and how good those are
#protection
strong forum
lavish grove
I've seen a couple of brews even use heroic aegis
strong forum
ya even heroic (239) aegis slaps
lavish grove
Actually insane how good that trinket is for brew
toxic pewter
Any good trinkets from wod dungeons/ karazhan/mechagon
Or items in general
Interesting
strong forum
the mini sigil is vers with an on-use vers effect
so pretty meh
they have to rework the loot from the wod dungeons
drastically
lavish grove
Wdym just use necks in all ur slots
hazy edge
Yeah both keys “share” loot and have more rings in them that all of shadowlands combined
toxic pewter
Wait
strong forum
will prolly rework it to reduce dmg by a flat number, rather than %
toxic pewter
Both keys share loot for Kara?
strong forum
just like the DHT trinket
hazy edge
Both keys share loot for Kara?
WoD sorry
toxic pewter
Interesting
chrome falcon
kara keys do not share loot, no
round cliff
is avatar on the gcd?
toxic pewter
No
chrome falcon
no fruity
hazy edge
They have a couple unique items, but the vast majority of the loot in grim and docks are the same pieces
chrome falcon
have you not been pressing it 
round cliff
i have but
sometimes i notice i get thru my opener but have forgotten to press avatar when i coulda sworn i pushed the button
guess its just a skill issue
chrome falcon
yeah gotta slam avatar on CD
lofty widget
press buttons harder 
round cliff
i did a 10 top today and i felt rly good about pressing stuff on CD
except for when stuff was about to die
forgot to log tho :(
strong forum
its a good dungeon for us, but i dont enjoy it
blazing condor
name checks out
sick sentinel
I enjoy easy dungeon
work shop CAN be free key, i think we get those s4
final 3 packs of trash there can be a nightmare, due to you die and then you gotta run back and taxi, squirrel bombs are the worst still ptsd them things
not a single hard boss entire place except I'd say final boss p2 and boss 1 if you have a shit computer that gets 5 fps on that fight
some reason that fight draws a ton of unessecary crap, can still hear our healer crying about frame rate
mellow bridge
Workshop without awakening is gonna be interesting
I don't know if you could skip the last corridor with just an invis
And having to do the minigame is big yikes ngl
sick sentinel
And having to do the minigame is big yikes ngl
no different from boss1 gamb
same shit, different pile
mellow bridge
They're not even comparable
Gambit is brain dead easy
Workshop minigame can fail so easily
And cost so much time
sick sentinel
how is workshop final puzzle any worse than gambt 1
mellow bridge
Maybe we're talking about diff things?
sick sentinel
or a different thinking
mellow bridge
I'm talking about the stealth section after first boss and before second boss
Where you have to hide in the vents etc
You always skipped thst with awakening but won't be possible obv
dawn canyon
Where you have to hide in the vents etc
sussy
sick sentinel
if blizz here could add SUS acheivement for getting entire party through vents with nobody being located
i'd be for mythic + only achievements that can only pop up in a +10 or +15 or more, but they arent as difficult or as much planning as like the SD final boss one for meta
really add to see what daring people might try some crazy shit in a +20 for achievos and bigger dps
ebon geyser
@chilly brook 
sage yacht
chilly brook
<@133532617940140032> <:xeos:945501697847992341>
wadu hek
chilly brook
ESO I was looking for a post and saw that
oh i see
that must've been right after EP I think
ebon geyser
Probably
toxic pewter
Warrior overtook vdh on subcreation meta list
sick sentinel
I'll have to give my self a pro-motion!
grave crane
Damn bears and pallies on life support
sick sentinel
yes, might also be doctored hopium filled bs
no link= sus
that'd be amazing if that site updated each week for each key
I've seen a billion wowsites that aren't wowhead or thottbot for you super oldies like me.
sick sentinel
that are all like do this do that make this macro use this add on don't use this one.... mostly bs lol, typically the only good ones and 3ven best I can just search aggravate anything wow at all and throw it in as "You didn't do this, did you know you can do yhus, you should also have used a sharpening stone on your off hand and so that's negative points from your score"
wow analyzer told me to use a sharpening st9ne on off hand tried blunt and sharp just incase, no improved shield.
what I like is it just says you blocked this many % of hits overall
not a easy number to find for average player
waxen orbit
Warrior overtook vdh on subcreation meta list
Whoever put prot pal on b tier is fucking tweaking
pallid quiver
Should be on F tier, needs more Execute buffs to be viable
toxic pewter
Whoever put prot pal on b tier is fucking tweaking
LOL apparently it’s mathematical calculated. Unbiasedly
waxen orbit
Should be on F tier, needs more Execute buffs to be viable
FAX
toxic pewter
I think it’s accurate to be honest
We are 3rd best tank
We are almost about to take over brewmaster
waxen orbit
We're good but we're not there
toxic pewter
We are though. Mathematically speaking prot warr is 3rd most points
I mean 3rd in quality points
It’s all explained on the website now they calculate it
waxen orbit
I'll read up on it later or sum
toxic pewter
It’s pretty in depth
waxen orbit
I don't doubt
toxic pewter
I agree the number of runs is lowest
But if you drill down the quality of the runs puts us in 3rd
Close to brewmaster even
Yes it does
It means when weighing all the mythic+ points, each on a weight that is comparable to other tanks and them to us, we rank third
Almost second
It means our runs are better quality than pally, druid, and vdh choosing a prot warr as tank will provide a better run than three other tanks, perhaps, historically speaking
toxic pewter
Well we just gotta run more keys everyone
mighty egret
its all about quality not quantity
toxic pewter
But the math is there
Like even if you agree it doesn’t mean anything. It is interesting considering the public opinion is we are f tier
You have to at least admit that
Lol
Can’t argue with you there to be honest lmao
I still stand by my nerf bdk comments
They are so powerful
Yah I think it’s best to play what you find fun
Prot warrior is objectively the most fun tank 
That is true that is fun as hell
I think it’s a fun button but I find warr more fun overall just my opinion
Dude execute owns especially when you got banner running and outbursts and stuff it’s so fun lol
Just can keep executing and critting for like 30-40k in a row
It’s insane
Hell yeah
Prot warriors in here all own
Give really solid advice too
chrome falcon
I only got a blue parse on our rygelon kill tonight
I got scared of ripping threat and stopped executing
Washed up 
toxic pewter
Not in my book @chrome falcon you are number 1
chrome falcon
Wow thanks apb that really means a lot coming from you 🙂
potent anvil
I got scared of ripping threat and stopped executing
Do you have paladin in the raid? Just ask for bop so you can dps
Unless you pull threat with bop then 
chrome falcon
Shit that’s smart
I honestly dunno if I can full blast execute that boss without dying though
Like when I actually briefly have to tank
potent anvil
Just ask for every external available. All for the parse 
toxic pewter
Can bonesmith actually be better after the execute buff we got?
robust rover
1.2% better SIM on single target for me; Probably will still use Marlith
toxic pewter
Yeah damn. Not worth losing marlith defensiveness
mighty egret
maybe for lower keys you can use bonesmith
robust rover
Also lose the random buffs from fleshcraft on cooldown
I mean, will it be a make or break key? no
oblique garnet
I honestly dunno if I can full blast execute that boss without dying though
You should be able to
strange orchid
is mastery still meh for prot overall?
pallid quiver
In comparison to Str and Haste? Yeah
strange orchid
i know str haste are important but i remember crit block being real meh for a long time
urban portal
It’s technically not meh
It’s actually decently good in a vacuum
It’s just worse than all others
lavish oracle
Which shrouded stat will we grab? Vers?
strange orchid
ive been aiming for haste>master=vers but i also havnt seriously tanked in 2 expacs
lavish oracle
Shrouded is the upcoming M+ affix, +2% stat after killing dreadlords that are hidden throughout the dungeon
Apparently you end up with like 10+ stacks in a run so haste seems like overkill
Mastery might be good but it gives you flat stat rather than % stat, so you run into shadowlands DRs
Vers just seems good
lavish oracle
Fair
potent anvil
I timed a 21 halls...on a 3p 253 ilvl prot paladin. I'm ramping
ionic fern
I timed a 21 halls...on a 3p 253 ilvl prot paladin. I'm ramping <a:LETSGOOO:7707...
Wrong Prot. Go away.
potent anvil
Imagine if I was 270+ with 4p 👀
ionic fern
Best part about Prot Paladin is that you can cover your random PuG's being stupid with heals and blessings and interrupts.
potent anvil
I dunno if they're squishy...you get 100% sotr uptime pretty much so there's that
lavish oracle
The interrupts are clutch
Esp. in halls
Can't wait til next patch, tired of this dungeon set
ionic fern
👀
lavish oracle
I'll miss wake but that's literally the only one
ionic fern
Idk, not a big fan of..Tazavesh,Mechagon ..so that's already 4 dungeons out.
lavish oracle
Junkyard is fun, the back half is about as interesting as most shadowlands dungeons
I actually have no clue why they included train
That shit's gonna be trash
potent anvil
Lower kara fun, upper not so much imo.
Mechagon is kinda meh since bots will carry, and upper mecha is fine.
Tazavesh is old now.
I never played WoD, so kinda interested in them.
lavish oracle
Iron Docks seems like it'll be fun, Grimrail is a garbage M+ dungeon
Literally any other WoD dungeon would be 100x better
ionic fern
Lower kara fun, upper not so much imo.
Mechagon is kinda meh since bots will car...
Gotta wait like 2 patches with WoD for it to be balanced properly probably.
lavish oracle
Well, they won't stick around long, it'll just be nice to have a change of pace
potent anvil
pallid quiver
literally have set foot in like wod dungeons maybe, like, twice in my life
actually, were they even dungeons or were they raids?
also didn't hit mechagon, so it's gonna be a learning experience 100% on my end
jagged pier
Lower kara fun, upper not so much imo.
Mechagon is kinda meh since bots will car...
wod dungoens are boring, there arent many mechanics at all
most frontals
and things on floor
lots of physical damage tho
👍
pallid quiver
I'd be fine with Saurfang coming back if we just pretended all of BFA and beyond didn't happen. Don't ask why there's suddenly Zandalari as part of the Horde instead of them coming to kick our ass every other expac
stuck kite
Do you agree that if prot was actually able to heal itself more, we could be giga op ?
stuck kite
Like imagine if victory rush was costing 20 or 30 rage, with a cd of 5sec, regenerating 20-30% of our health
This is literally normal dk ability
ionic fern
DK's also lose 40% of their health like every 2 seconds so...
stuck kite
Yeah but
On intense pull we are on the same state some time, we cannot be on 100% shield block or ignore pain uptime
stuck kite
75% is like a maximum
stuck kite
But we never hit if so
ionic fern
With proper play.
75% is just with Reprisal...
And 75% is like..lowish for Reprisal.
stuck kite
With 95% shield block or ignore pain
stuck kite
Yeah because absorb is not that great and could be more, like 30k basics, 60k at max
stuck kite
Reprisal+HR = 95%+
What HR means i dont know all short name in english
pallid quiver
Heavy Repurcussions
stuck kite
Oh ok
pallid quiver
Though Anger Management is what's used
Also, I think I have a log from when I was learning the current Necro Prot where I had like 80% blocked hits, so 80% effective uptime for SB while needing it
let me see if i can fish that
pallid quiver
stuck kite
Will look at that
pallid quiver
oh i was beat to it
jagged pier
u dont look at details buff uptime
pallid quiver
Technically, we don't actually care about Shield Block uptime; we care about actually blocking hits. Shield Block being up while we're not in combat is wasted time
stuck kite
Yeah right
blazing condor
Thats why you look at details cus it shows effective blocks hit
stuck kite
just looked at the stat in dungeon in terms of block hit
most of the time it's between 70-80%
jagged pier
Thats why you look at details cus it shows effective blocks hit
'logs'
echo egret
Now my guildies are making me doubt. When Rallying Cry is cast, we gain +15% HP and max HP.
Does the heal part reverts when it wears off ?
jagged pier
no your misunderstanding it
because your hp is increased
u gain that HP
regardless of current hp
you alwasy gunna loose that amount again when the buff falls off
echo egret
Say I have 1 HP / 100k HP and I use it. I gain 15k. When it wears off (suppose no heals) am I back to 1 HP ?
echo egret
If I’m not ?
jagged pier
well if nothing happened to your hp u would return to the value u started with
echo egret
Ok - far from as great as I thought
echo egret
Oh I use it all the time, it’s just that I thought the heal part was permanent
jagged pier
no it gives u the hp and helaer time to heal u etc
lofty widget
well it's not a heal, it just increases your max hp for x seconds
echo egret
Yeah
jagged pier
like if your at 100% when the buff falls off
u will still be at 100%
u will just have less HP
echo egret
Say I get no heals.
I have 10 HP / 100 HP max
I use cry, goes to 25HP
I take 11 dmg
Cry wears off. Am I dead ?
strong forum
You'll at min end up at 1hp if you're at less hp than rally would grant you
echo egret
Ok
strong forum
If rally grants you 25k hp, and you're at 23k when the buff is about to run out, you'll be at 1 after it does run out
strong forum
It's like a loan
echo egret
Well if you don’t pay a loan they break your knees with iron bars, so…
sick sentinel
more hp total means you self heal for more with indomitable I know for sure and I also want to say it helps out victory rush ignore pain
steel mist
too much godfather movies scenario lol
sick sentinel
no God damn way I'm doing 4 more 15s this week all today
steel mist
are people these days are feeling the burn out from content ?
sick sentinel
could, but I wont
jagged pier
are people these days are feeling the burn out from content ?
nope because i dont run content
steel mist
sick sentinel
so you are content with the content?
sick sentinel
and about to go eat a continental breakfast
waaaaat? not log in? not play prot war? blasphemy
strong forum
I've barely played s2 so I'm pretty gucci
strong forum
I do like 8-15 keys a week currently and is pretty chill
ionic fern
strong forum
And keys are surprisingly easy
jagged pier
And u didnt invite mwahi to one of them 🤔
strong forum
Is always fullstack
ionic fern
That's when i play.
So it's fine.
Well, more like that's when i'm at my PC deciding what to play.
sick sentinel
jagged pier
we've taught enough of u at this point
also am working
can take the time right now
sick sentinel
implying phil knows alot about off spec let alone main spec
dawn canyon
dawn canyon
implying phil knows alot about off spec let alone main spec <:keks:9362316108508...
I know enough abt fury to do damage 
Very difficult spec
Oh btw snacko there might be a dh weakaura by the end of this week
Same for enha
sick sentinel
I mean I've got the ksm mount and I doubt I'd ever get 20s done
I can't see good reason to do 8 dungeons right now,
sick sentinel
I honestly didnt play for 2 days since my m+ vault is full. I logged onto wow yesterday in the evening. I thought about doing a key and then I logged off again. Felt pretty good
cobalt seal
sick sentinel
that was a one time log of 1 boss and 1 trash
dawn canyon
blazing condor
--> 
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jagged pier
--> --> -->
strong forum
-> -> ->
jagged pier
-> -> -> -> -> 
blazing condor
--> --> --> -->
sweet summit
sick sentinel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdDu_hHPL1g yellow name sees my 5 SB log
jagged pier
execpt for the cigarette thats just me, in general tbh
blazing condor
"damn bitch u live like this"
jagged pier
well i only looked at the person in the thumb nail
literally me exepct the cigarette at least my room clean tho
topaz field
may i ask you guys to have a look at my top from yesterday? I had troubles keeping up banner at all in kultharok area and i also feel like im wasting quite a lot of rage during Last stand/banner, but perhaps you folks see something i dont: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/RqxNwJbKcnF9YGvP#fight=9&type=summary
jagged pier
u waste around 10% of your rage
on top of that your rage gen is low because your casts are low
SS intervene TC
quaint glade
You play prot and don’t smoke?
jagged pier
charge actually okay
topaz field
im always hesitant on tc 😄 couz when i spend outburst on tc i wanna punch myself
jagged pier
well u still want to use TC as muhc as possible
get a tracker of seething red and just TC at 6 or 7 stacks
so u cant do it
topaz field
oh yes demo shout is a big problem
jagged pier
so u just not generating enough rage
grave crane
Yeah In combat don’t use it while running to a pack
topaz field
and also i dont get when to use LS
jagged pier
on cd
topaz field
ok i always thought i wanna keep it for when my rage regen is not at its peak i appreciate
grave crane
Make sure to have the conduit that increases rage gen
topaz field
i think i got it
grave crane
Use it on pull with banner and you can get big banner uptimes
topaz field
ye on boss i dont have any problems
but when there is downtime between packs
i get cancer
i appreciate the advise
grave crane
Some of the better prots chain pull stuff to keep banner up time
Also intervene on cd
topaz field
yeye i know but this was a 19
jagged pier
ye on boss i dont have any problems
i mean on 3 of the 5 bosses u have no where close to 100%
so thats kind of a lie
topaz field
i had to rez
the trolls
i apologize
and i agree last boss was full troll
because i was focused on my reflect
jagged pier
52% on first boss
68% on xav
50% on mord
77% on garechop
92% on the other 1 but u didnt use it at the start of the pull
didnt use it at the start of the first boss ither
topaz field
first boss should be 100 % can only be trolling
jagged pier
all should be 100%
topaz field
yeye obviously
restive sage
that was a one time log of 1 boss and 1 trash
sick sentinel
when im questioned on how well i did
wild hemlock
why the f didnt we get like priest/warrior trees last week
blizz please we need content
jagged pier
because its like 8monthd away
wild hemlock
also got my 250 blood dk 4 piece lets gooooo
wild hemlock
because its like 8monthd away
i was really hoping they were gonna continue to dump talent trees on fridays
jagged pier
they probably will when they have them
but druid was the one even previewed in the expansion thingy
so thinking they have them all rdy to go is huge
wild hemlock
well we need some juice here
blazing condor
🥤
wild hemlock
we can only discuss SB uptime and banner for so long
didnt you guys see skyhold last week!? chaos
wild hemlock
thats all anyone would talk about for a month lmao
blazing condor
@ionic fern dragonflight channel when
strong forum
When we get alpha, likely
wild hemlock
dk doesnt feel nearly as satisfying as i thought it would though
grave crane
Yeah but it feels more active than other tanks bear DH and monk boring af
ionic fern
<@238357283996696576> dragonflight channel when
Already there. But it's just me ranting in there about the good old Classic days.
topaz field
one more question i had the feeling that my shieldblock uptime was low but i didnt get punished because it was 19... whats a decent uptime for SB? I have like 30 % haste
strong forum
Uptime is not a good indicator of anything
sweet summit
@ionic fern where DF talent tree reveal
strong forum
76% is a bit below standard but not entirely trash
sick sentinel
better than 5 SB
strong forum
Goal is 80%++
(which some top rio people don't even get with HR cuz they're just that bad)
:))
topaz field
i kinda miss HR 😦
sick sentinel
someone floor POV'd and i kinda gave up once i realized they were DC next pull, im not gunna pretend like is real log
topaz field
HR feels so rewarding for the SS spam but it is what it is
sweet summit
AM feels even more rewarding though 🤤
strong forum
AM feels much more rewarding cuz you'll have 60-70% avatar uptime
topaz field
i mean andybrew played it season 1
sick sentinel
i had at least 1 key i looked at in wow analyzer, and it said i had 86% blocked hits, but my rage was out of whack for whatever key that was
strong forum
Andy played prot for like 2 weeks
And got to top 2 tanks world
With a suboptimal covenant at the time
There's a difference in "need" and "making it work"
lofty widget
99% of ppl shouldnt blindly copy what the top players do anyway
topaz field
ye and i can remember that last season with HR my SB was not a problem
jagged pier
99% of ppl shouldnt blindly copy what the top players do anyway
no 100% shouldnt
espeically right now
as the top io ppl are bad
strong forum
SB uptime was never an issue if you played well
lofty widget
cringing everytime someone posts logs from those guys atm
sick sentinel
i'm still tempted to give venthyr prot 1 attempt, first and only attempt probably
strong forum
HR was purely a bandaid talent
lofty widget
except sense he aight
topaz field
i mean i play prot once a week so im always shaky on it
topaz field
well avatar is just giga broken i feel like
im wasting rage as u say and i already see the cd racing down
sick sentinel
if AM, indom, and devestator talents were all baseline wouldn't nearly have been as bad for us 9.0-9.2
that's how pwar should have launched imo
strong forum
Am should've been baseline for like 3 xpacs
jagged pier
☝️
strong forum
But hopefully 10.0 will kinda do that
jagged pier
dont give out hope
jagged pier
just expect talent tree to be trash to start with
jagged pier
sick sentinel
"You have to go outside in the day hours, the sun gives you energy" my dad probably
i mean, hes not wrong
strong forum
Yes, sun is vital
strong forum
Gives you many happy
strong forum
Damn that's rough
My summer is actually gonna be quite busy
Every weekend I'm on a new party
jagged pier
its great my dads cutting the lawn so ive had to shut the window and put my air filter on
damn im cool
dawn canyon
can right now tho other wise hayfever kills me <:okayge:917646812519739433>
I take meds for mine and my nose still runs
jagged pier
i also have meds
and it all does is make me tired
but not sleep tired
just tired
strong forum
jagged pier
sick sentinel
i also have meds
jagged pier
and cant wait heatwave hitting uk this weekend so my south facing room with no way for the air to get out is gunna go up about 5 degrees
ionic fern
and cant wait heatwave hitting uk this weekend so my south facing room with no w...
Gimme heatwave.
sick sentinel
i'm over flowin with torghast and ZM crap now
ionic fern
🤔
sick sentinel
i got 17k ash, 2.5k cinders and 9.9k CF
strong forum
I have over 120k Ash
wild hemlock
i also have meds
yo im not even jokin but stinging nettle pills bro
ornate peak
is codex still bad or has it gained some value after the changes a few days ago.. i see the pin says its shit but that was before the partial revert
ionic fern
Always bad.
ornate peak
fair thank you
jagged pier
codex 👏 has 👏 always 👏 been 👏 bad 👏 for 👏 prot
ornate peak
haha alright
oblique garnet
Gimme heatwave.
Its always heatwave depending how used to cold you are 
last coyote
mwahi blue name now. Didnt notice 
jagged pier
🧑🚀 🔫 🧑🚀 'always has been'
cinder storm
🌕 🧑🚀 🔫 🧑🚀 *
my goal was to become top 20 pwars, I think im happy with spot 24 for now
ionic fern
Sounds like giving up.
cinder storm
I am
sick sentinel
im in top 90 of my server, good enough
cinder storm
"pwar has no healing" "I also have to top you on top of the other 3 dps" "you can do this pack if you where x class"
I keep telling ppl pwars need better players, not a better kit
Thing is, other tanks are a snoozefest imo
sick sentinel
i don't even know where you see server ranking on r.io site profile
maybe they took that out
lofty widget
cant believe ppl still say we have no "healing" when im always topping healing meters at the end of dungeons
cinder storm
yeah, and I tell them, the real "self healing" is thru logs
sick sentinel
if they ask u just tell them its like a heal over time so u don't really noticeit
cinder storm
I just need a top off here and there, nothing major, barely need healing, and my healer is constantly, on details, healing me about 20%-30% depending on how well the rest are playing
the community perception is strong against this class, I tried my best to prove them wrong
jagged pier
top 20 is so low like all my raid has higher io than that
no one running prot at all
sick sentinel
i wonder why they took that out all of a sudden
cinder storm
no one running prot at all
theres dozens of us!
jagged pier
i signed up for 22s on the weekend
didnt get invited
also got told my route for PF was inefficient in a 21 still 2 chests the key
cinder storm
pf is kinda free if no one dies before 2nd boss
sick sentinel
pf final can be huge wall
cinder storm
pulling first set of shrooms with big add? I do that one, and also pull the boss to the entrance
sick sentinel
nuclear proof titanium steel door for some groups is PF final
jagged pier
i dont skip and i dont ever see a point even in like 26s tbh
ppl always seem to think that u must do the key a certain way
when really your only job is to do it before the timer is gone
cinder storm
yup
jagged pier
sure there are faster routes but there are safer routes that will still time the key
and trying to tell pugs that is impossible
cinder storm
there's a lot of one directional thinking, or, only this rt works bc x streamer does it
I've noticed one of the main issues is people not understanding add priorities in a pug, or kick priorities, or straight dont caring at all
One can link 3-4 different packs and priorities will either remain the same or overlap
sick sentinel
hold W and do bosses in 4head manner seems to work well for 90% of content
ionic fern
.
jagged pier
less
ionic fern
Less.
jagged pier
and my motivation was gone on the weekend when not getting invited to 22s for 0 reason
sick sentinel
make your own 22 keys
ionic fern
oblique garnet
Holding W is the warrior tank way
lofty widget
nah its 25/26s maybe 1 or 2 27s
cinder storm
all 26s and some 27 I believe
topaz field
and my motivation was gone on the weekend when not getting invited to 22s for 0 ...
hahaha 😄 ppl are so cringe they dont wanna tank and they are actually so bad at the game that they dont understand that prot warrior is so super fine for any key that is not 30++
in only get invited to necro dungeons on my prot :D:D and then i have to kick/rez/stun and i would even have to derage for them if i could
jagged pier
yer let me pushs an 18 Dos i dont want to do or sign up for a 21 NW i do want to do
🤔
dawn canyon
strong forum
hahaha 😄 ppl are so cringe they dont wanna tank and they are actually so bad a...
Even at 30++ it's going to perform
jagged pier
I get not getting invited it does make me sad after actually seeing some pug tanks out there in the last few weeks
i ppl would rather take the class than the player
strong forum
Flashback to me getting declined to +2s at 271
jagged pier
☝️
i mean the tank i pugged on my shaman this week dying to iron spikes because he didnt have mitigation
and said it was because he got hit by a pool
dawn canyon
lime urchin
Oh boy
jagged pier
i mean if u had mitigation up the boss wouldnt have killed u
but okay
say its because u got hit by the pool
topaz field
Even at 30++ it's going to perform
ye ofc its still one of the very best tanks but his overall dmg will kinda matter the higher u go
jagged pier
we are like highest damage output tank
topaz field
ye on st
lime urchin
Here we go!
strong forum
Na not that much, vdh is king in big aoe
strong forum
But in overall dps we do literally the same
topaz field
yep
strong forum
Every tank is between 11-14/15k overall depending on key
topaz field
my monk does 15-16k
but ye
its rlly key dependend
and u can get good use of your ox the higher you play
strong forum
Stomp is big dumb
topaz field
ofc it is
topaz field
the reason for bdk is his insane st
strong forum
All the keys I see bdk is 11-14k
jagged pier
and that 15k was with lowest damage talents and leggos btw
dawn canyon
Only issue is that nothing is as self suficient is bdk
jagged pier
so could do a lot more
topaz field
no way
strong forum
Literally is
topaz field
if u play properly u hit the 15 k
thats what i see decent dks doing
and not the real madrid dks
strong forum
Idk what you've been watching
topaz field
its always hard to judge pure st in m+
if every boss contains at least 4 targets for a certain amount of time
at least
jagged pier
why are we talking about 4+ targets when we were talking about ST dps? i dont get it
🤔
dawn canyon
Gavel aoe can get vedy unethical
strong forum
Well yer if they have extra adds they'll do naturally more pad cuz of shackles, but they're not 4-5k dps ahead of other tanks in ST
topaz field
i am talking about m+ you tight headed
dawn canyon
Be nice to nome
jagged pier
but we are talking about ST
topaz field
i am
jagged pier
its not
topaz field
when every fight is containing several targets
lofty widget
ST is ST regardless if its m+ or raid 
dawn canyon
when every fight is containing several targets
Look at a idk devos
dawn canyon
Or sd1/3
jagged pier
only if u get dps buff in execute
topaz field
devos?
robust rover
Last HoA boss
strong forum
Even outside of it, if you can fit 3/4 outbursts in the dmg window you're flying
dawn canyon
Devos is pure St
topaz field
i mean in logs sure
dawn canyon
Thus the example
cinder storm
Mists first boss, cuz if favours us alot
did almost 20k there, felt so nice
strong forum
Spear dmg isn't included in details
topaz field
ye but the downtime is
strong forum
Brew can't get good value out of devos cuz she doesn't do any dmg
topaz field
i was not saying that
strong forum
So stomp isn't gonna do anything
topaz field
norme
dawn canyon
Should we look at another Boss then
cinder storm
🍿
topaz field
yep as usual
topaz field
i will report in as soon as i have data
but i prefer not to get all of your hate meanwhile
dawn canyon
If i come off as a hating Andy im sorry
strong forum
I'm being neutral here idk
strong forum
While it is factual that bdk just does more than other tanks, it's not that much more
Not to a degree that matters in this day and age where survival of the dps is the biggest issue
urban portal
In a way, the more you pull the higher your dps gets which means tank survival directly correlates to damage
But yeah dps survival becomes the main bottleneck at high pull counts
strong forum
You can't just simple pull bigger all the time
The mechanical constraints are way too big
All the big pulls have been figured out
You don't magically do 2 shard pulls
Or 8 pack pulls in arden
You do 4-5 pack pulls
Cuz any more just starts being inefficient
strong forum
Pull sizes are generally capped because of needed kicks and CCs
Which is why plaguefall is so "easy", you rarely go big cuz you just can't.
There 1 or 2 big pulls, rest is just 3-5 target cleave
And very easy bosses
cinder storm
and the red/purple slimes
cinder storm
rage goes brr
wild hemlock
god i hope we keep banner next expac
topaz field
god i hope we keep banner next expac
no fucking way it will
ocean yoke
would be lame without glory built in
strong forum
The extension won't be able to be maintained
cinder storm
Spear of bastion most likely
strong forum
But I think some form of extension like the bdks get will be in place
Ya I think we'll get bannered and spear
cinder storm
strong forum
Fixed
strong forum
Oh boi
jagged pier
they aint adding more spec in besides envoker
strong forum
And gib glad stance 2h + shield
chrome falcon
Ya I think we'll get bannered and spear
i feel like spear could be on general tree
but banner should just be for us
jagged pier
no
hazy edge
And gib glad stance 2h + shield
even better, double shields
jagged pier
thats not what general tree is for
chrome falcon
thats not what general tree is for
have you looked at the DK tree
this is the bottom of their tree
so
urban portal
Wait is that the bottom of the general dk tree?
jagged pier
so is druid?
jagged pier
yer so it can do 1 extra
chrome falcon
so i would expect their general tree to look different to a class that can only dps/tank
jagged pier
so why convoke not in general tree?
chrome falcon
like us or dk
urban portal
Convoke def could be in a general tree yeah
chrome falcon
arms probably gets condemn
without the terrible defensive component
blizz is clearly prepared to put a big throughput choice at the bottom of the tree for DK
it seems very likely they'll do the same for us
all 3 specs have played with spear heavily in this expansion
so spear in the same place as abom limb would be very logical
jagged pier
but all druid specs have played with convoke this expansion
and its huge through put for the classes
why it not in general tree?
chrome falcon
ok so it's 50/50
jagged pier
yes your arguement makes sense but it makes equal sense the other way with the druid tree
chrome falcon
it shouldn't be ruled out
jagged pier
im just being nutral here
cinder storm
maybe they want to steer away from the one button gameplay in pvp/pve
chrome falcon
thats not what general tree is for
this definitely reads like you're ruling it out
chrome falcon
yeah i didn't think so either
jagged pier
there could very well be a choice between SMT and titans grip
jagged pier
in general tree at bottom of fury
chrome falcon
yeah i wonder where they have to make that choice
blazing condor
I liked that in fury old talent tree
I mean i dont see it being super important to not just have both
But still
jagged pier
well there was an actual difference in both back in the day
hazy edge
imo its not what general tree is for
tbf there are 2 different devs who worked on the druid and dk trees, and they are still finalizing a lot of their design goals. the trees are very early works in progress
jagged pier
yer i know
urban portal
Yeah I would bet the final tree looks nothing like what we got now
hazy edge
So things could completely change from what we've seen
urban portal
That empower rune weapon reads very weirdly
The fact that you can have the same talent in multiple rows is interesting
grave crane
also druids used convoke, and venthyr, and even necro for pvp on ferals and resto so i dont think its necessarily all druids go all convoke. and every tree has improved convoke, so i would imagine there gonna be an improved glory if they put it in
urban portal
99% of Druid’s was convoke in 9.0 except feral/resto pvp
In 9.1 it was only booms that went 99% venth while bear was 50/50
grave crane
yeah thats just the nature of covs that are decent
wild hemlock
they aint adding more spec in besides envoker
i cried when i realized we werent gonna get a shaman tank
round cliff
theres so many recruitment posts in promotion asking for not warriors
like bruh why are u looking for holy priests here
jagged pier
blazing condor
I know a guy who knows a guy
shut summit
blazing condor
How old is yogi
scenic mural
Boomer years old
ocean yoke
yogi ascended past things like age long ago
cinder storm
he likes old school sonic
echo egret
Does Spell Reflect mitigate Corrupted Strikes (Rygelon) cosmic damage ?
blazing condor
Is he eligible for the ”boomer” role in disc
cinder storm
in dog years?
cinder storm
Does Spell Reflect mitigate Corrupted Strikes (Rygelon) cosmic damage ?
the spreadsheet says "Physical portion is blockable, magic is NOT reflectable.This boss hits HARD - mitigate properly"
echo egret
... which doesn't answer my question, hence me asking it 🙂
ocean yoke
the magic DR part of spell reflect helps with it
echo egret
the magic DR part of spell reflect helps with it
thanks, that's the info I was looking for. I wasn't sure if cosmic damage counted as magic.
cinder storm
Its in the spreadsheet
Type - Physical and magic
You can deflect if you can't reflect
grave crane
i basically pop SR on corrupted strikes on CD, and SW on the explosion downstairs or upstairs idk the shadowrealm
sick sentinel
valor shield has been acquired gotted
patent gorge
Big P3 Boss Damage
sweet summit
strong forum
Pwar bad
toxic pewter
hazy edge
Big P3 Boss Damage
👋
hazy edge
sick sentinel
yea dude some youtubers said pwar bad so pwars bad
We just pretend like prot warrior doesn't even exist
urban portal
^
grave crane
mind gaming people left and right, yeah PWarr is super low dam, they need buffs
urban portal
Need more Doomers
grave crane
not neough stuff is reflectable
mighty valley
should be able to reflect jailer tankbusters tbh
grave crane
if it aint a melee it should be reflectable. infact let me reflect melees too
dawn canyon
They should buff prot execute damage
Poor spec doesnt get to play the iconic warrior ability and only presses Aftershock for damage /s
strong forum
sir this isnt 9.0
grave crane
shhhh were struggling right now
wild hemlock
mmmmm we get to go pump some banner+fortified this week
banner was harder on tyran with shit dying so fast lol
brittle owl
@strong forum get pinged orange name
strong forum
sweet summit
@brittle owl get pinged brown name
jagged pier
☝️
brittle owl
@strong forum i'd like to report an abuse from your lackeys
cinder storm
reporting mod abuse to a mod, I wanna see how this will play out
minor helm
@sweet summit u watch Tokyo ghoul?
sweet summit
ya
sweet summit
brittle owl
oh no the weebs multiplied again
hollow kayak
How often are we supposed to be pushing victory rush? I've been ignoring it for the most part.
strong forum
well its quite RNG to get it to begin with
hollow kayak
In the situation where I am in trouble enough that the healing could be helpful, I think I'm usually just focused on other things.
hollow kayak
Could def do a 20 without binding it
Welcome to my life. 😆
I was just curious if I was doing something wrong is all. Sounds like I'll just keep on doing what I'm doing.
I do notice with prot warrior, if I get in trouble it is because my concentration lapses. Specifically if there are agro problems (eg, maybe somebody cranks off early, or body pulls another pack). Then I get distracted trying to pick up everything and that's when I might have problems.
Just more practice I guess. Or let the DPS kill themselves 😆
median tulip
DPS going off full-bore a nanosecond into the pull is more of a problem for us than for most of the other tanks, I think
It's basically the ONLY advantage of Kyrian; big burst of threat on the pull
hollow kayak
It's fine on the "normal" pulls. it's the pulls where I need to collect a couple groups. For example, the first pull of Spires. I'll probably thunderclap the first three, and then keep going onto the next pack+goliath.
Well, if DPS pops off on those first three, it's going to be a bad time.
I try to just communicate my intent and warn the DPS before hand.
grave crane
Ive found having a hunter that misdirects me on CD is great, he does that and i intervene him on cd and things go very well
cinder storm
Leap TC the first three, ravager + charge the other 3
grave crane
i would imagine you could use your first outburst on TC since your gonna be last standing, banner, and generally generating huge rage anyway youll get a ss outburst very quick
strong forum
@potent anvil AM or DN
chrome falcon
sick sentinel
kind of ashamed of it but that valor shield is a 262 cuz only ran a 12 and it dropped, should have been a 15 265, theatre shield at least
urban portal
kind of ashamed of it but that valor shield is a 262 cuz only ran a 12 and it dr...
15s only drop 262
potent anvil
<@95652243235143680> AM or DN
AM
urban portal
alpine shard
dreadnaught ofcourse
crystal mauve
It's fine on the "normal" pulls. it's the pulls where I need to collect a couple...
If they go off before you gather everything it’s a dps loss for them. They are probably not great players anyway, not your fault 🙂
potent anvil
Yeah. But it kinda owns. Cooldowns are 30/60 vs 45/90. I guess if you're not in big aoe dungeons or pulling fast, DN is better.
dark lark
Yeah. But it kinda owns. Cooldowns are 30/60 vs 45/90. I guess if you're not in ...
Do you immediately use BS after the procced BS from AM or do you spam MBG WW
urban portal
Spam
urban portal
Though it’s hard to say
dark lark
I found that if I whirlwind after the procced Bladestorm and mobs are dead then my CDs are desynced
opal vale
