protection

[narrow fog]

Is that possible via Lua?

[modern brook]

A game theory

[narrow fog]

It would go via the interface and so making it would be with Lua I assume?

[modern brook]

Unknown I'm not a dork smh

[narrow fog]

AHAHAHHA

Sorry, I also watch Andrew Tate videos

Man said I'm not a dork 🤣🤣🤣

[narrow fog]

"THERE IS NOT A MAN ALIVE, DRIVING A TESLA, THAT I COULDN'T BEAT THE LIVING FUCK OUT OF."

[chrome falcon]

with a weakaura sure

[narrow fog]

Btw, is it possible to play at the highest level without weakauras atm?

Personally, I don't like using them, but I will if I have to

[fallow osprey]

Could I replace sounds so that my custom one plays instead of the default? That’s a different scenario then having a sound play in addition to the default sound

Probably a Google question lol

[chrome falcon]

yeah

there are meme weakauras packs that turn all your WW abilities in dbz sounds

[sick sentinel]

tfw if more interrupts were going out you would of timed the key

[narrow fog]

God. Dps players are giga shit these days it seems.

[cinder storm]

Always been

[potent anvil]

I'm gearing my prot pala so I don't need dps to kick

[pallid quiver]

Private Servers have to deal with this a lot and talk about it. I don't know the direct specifics since I haven't worked on anything direct, but you can try to analyze packet traffic and see what kind of calls are being made. Apparently guilds are really jacked up in how they work. I'm not sure how much discussion of private server work is allowed on this Discord, so I'll leave it at that for the moment

[narrow fog]

If it has stayed the same till now, I can check the code for a Cataclysm server side program.

Since that was the first xpac that added guild perks and guild levels.

And code would be more similar to what it is now.

[pallid quiver]

The base functions should probably still be the same, though I'm not sure if the removal of perks and levels affected much

[sick sentinel]

What makes it even funnier is the fact that interrupts aren't even on a gcd

So they just choose not to interrupt

[narrow fog]

I know...

Sad

[mighty valley]

it's less that and more they're just tunneling on dps and not remotely paying attention to what enemies actually do

partially why dps is more popular, it's less visibly your fault when you're doing that

[narrow fog]

https://tenor.com/view/brain-trash-spongebob-squidward-dumb-gif-17233216

Dps before start of key.

[sick sentinel]

Also

Doesnt interrupting give like energy/rage for most classes

so more dmg technically to interrupt

[narrow fog]

I'll have to play fucking pro DK to counterbalance this

Gonna be stuck in DPS jail.

[mighty valley]

i don't think it's most classes but my DK friends are always asking for first interrupts, yeah

[sick sentinel]

prot warriors + dps warrior = dead dps warriors after he hits bladestorm

[sick sentinel]

Thats right dks

Honestly I like having dks in my keys

"I have zero aggro reducing abilities and I'm going to alpha strike immediately, what can go wrong?"

[narrow fog]

I think fact of the matter is, most needed role in mythic+ and raiding is a dps who knows what to do.

[sick sentinel]

Eh depends, if you don't have avatar before a pull then his probably good as dead

[narrow fog]

Fury did great aoe dps rn right?

[sick sentinel]

my honest to God advice for keys is just don't type anything about players performance and should only say basic plans coming up when doing the key, still have to talk to them provide confidence.

[narrow fog]

Can I say hi? 🤣

[sick sentinel]

I don't really care if someone is bad and learning, But you can't be both bad and toxic

cause thats crazy

they are probably extremely aware they are doing dogs hit and dying, only makes it weird you bring it up before itd over unless it's like terminally low

No I get that, But its the inconsistancy with certain things

Like unreliable interrupts

Which may or may not wipe the group

Or body pulling packs multiple times

1 or 2 times sure

but 5 or 6

cmon

no kicks can wipe the key lol

Having a stare down with an enraged mob while he casts a magic bolt on you and deletes you instantly

Makes you think

[narrow fog]

@sick sentinel should I play dps and balance the scales brother?

🙂

I can bind and press interrupt.

[mighty valley]

extremely this. you can be annoying to play with, or bad at the game. not both

[sick sentinel]

if theres any one at all in the group who shouldn't lose thier shit as long as its not going nuclear should be prot warrior

and, if it goes nuclear so does pwar, this is just simply life

[sick sentinel]

bring rogue 🙂 they can put on poisons that make casting take longer for enemies, as well as shiv to remove enrages

[pallid quiver]

If they're not interrupting, they're sure as hell not going to shiv

[sick sentinel]

poision applies automagically and then causes spells to go longer, gives you more time to kill them before they get tons of casts off or just chain interupt them at end, they do nothin

mob thats casting these nasty bolts gets killed on pull in 6 seconds won't be able to do damage, very possible to nuke hell out of 1 guy

[pallid quiver]

not so sure 'bout shiv being automatic, nor poisons necessarily being passive

they can choose between either slows or attack/casting speed reduction

[narrow fog]

Is it worth to run Punish from tier 1 talents for single target situations on bosses?

[sick sentinel]

no, thats a 20s or 25s cd

poisions act as a passive once equipped, very much in the way a Shaded Stone blunt/sharp works, some poison effects has 100% chance to apply, (99.5%) some have less. there are some mobs that are completely immune to any poison

[urban portal]

no

probably could be worth in 9.0

but now devastator just generates more rage

[narrow fog]

Okie.

[urban portal]

You can sim

The defensive component of punish is rarely relevant btw

[narrow fog]

The rage generated via devastator can provide more in defense?

As in IP

[urban portal]

Neither provide too much in defense

Also having to bind devastate is cringe

[narrow fog]

True, was just wondering.

[sick sentinel]

so, for a druid soothe is a 10s CD but at over 5% of their mana +40yards + instant, tranq is samething but better, removes a rage and magic buff, 10s cd, rogue technically weakest soothe, at 25s cd and melee range + energy cost.

[urban portal]

It’s a cd for all

[alpine shard]

shiv is also a dps ability for one of the rogue specs i believe

[mighty valley]

The other thing about devastator is in our current state (and almost all of shadowlands) we legit don't have open globals to press Devastate

so it's giving up nothing

[grave crane]

Shiv is important to assa tier

[sick sentinel]

for assassin yes, 20% nature damge buff for uh 10 s?

but, sub is the better play

[narrow fog]

This is probably the biggest reason.

[sick sentinel]

no, 9, weird wtf

blizzard why 9 seconds

[alpine shard]

random duration lol

[mighty valley]

was gonna say 9s is a multiple of the GCD

but rogue GCD is lower, so

[sick sentinel]

prolly huge if they do it during lust and urh assassin

[alpine shard]

their gcd is 1 second so it's still a multiple of the gcd

[mighty valley]

shaves off one

[toxic pewter]

Sucks thought we would see another talent tree or two today

[sick sentinel]

i won't get into it much cuz its irrelevant, but one of the large streamers was actioned a bit ago few hours ago, still waiting on verdict on that one

[narrow fog]

Actioned?

What does that mean?

Banned?

[sick sentinel]

mr zack 700 mounts had his account banned for reasons we aren't fully sure on, his 2nd twitch that is

[wicked ridge]

🤭

[narrow fog]

Asmongold?

Lol, banning him?

He's like one of the least triggering people on twitch

Twitch must be ultra woke then I guess.

[chrome falcon]

don't get political

[sick sentinel]

very debatable statement what you said, (triggering) some people like him, some hate him, i'm inbetween.

[narrow fog]

Nah, I won't. I just like the guy.

[narrow fog]

Well, it's impossible to always agree with someone on everything.

Anyway, probably not a discussion for this channel

Thanks for the info tho

[sick sentinel]

it seems like there is 2 polar opposites there but yeah, not relevant to spec, just kinda big news

[chrome falcon]

big news might be a bit of an overstatement

[sand pebble]

Any info as to why banned?

[sick sentinel]

If I told you, then you would know.

[sand pebble]

I think i do but i dont? Gotcha

[narrow fog]

Kekw true. It's just a guy streaming a game. Not God.

[sick sentinel]

Don't you guys have google?

[sand pebble]

Google didnt tell me why

[narrow fog]

Don't you guys have Phones?
Me , who has a guy tied in my basement, named Phones.

[blazing stump]

Soleah or elegy? any thoughts?

[sweet summit]

the higher ilvl one

[vernal vale]

equal ilvl the one that will give you more haste

[sick sentinel]

there is a way, i dunno how, but you can or could scale your thing to whatever ilvl u wanted to see it as

on wowhead probably, someone knows how let me know, its so much easier when you can just set the ilvl to whatever and see the stats, change to lower/higher ilvl

[sage yacht]

i will

[dusky mica]

You add &ilvl= to the end of the url

[hushed cobalt]

had 50% uptime on banner in a mists16 (was using last stand to spam ip more), but i guess the higher the key the higher the uptime would be, maybe?

[onyx vessel]

Id say thats quite good considering how much downtime that dungeon has

[timber dagger]

you need at least 60%+ up time on banner

[cinder nova]

You can easily get 70% just from not being a geed.

[hushed cobalt]

very informative 👍

[chilly brook]

First dungy back from moving and not playing for like 3 weeks

85%

[onyx vessel]

Theres no need required

If you time the key who cares

[chilly brook]

If you’re at abysmally low banner uptime you’d be better off playing Kyrian

That’s kinda the whole reason why necro is goated because you can keep it up so long

[onyx vessel]

42% in wake

[round cliff]

depressing moment when i only realize i forgot to press banner after my opener

[onyx vessel]

Me every pull when banner is off cd

[urban portal]

maybe a good idea to make a WA that tells you if your banner is down and is avilable to cast

[onyx vessel]

Paying attention to too many things

[fallow osprey]

Are there any unit frame contenders besides ElvUI and SUF? SUF doesn’t have enough functionality for me and ElvUI does too much beyond unit frames…

[prisma dove]

what functionality suf misses as a unit frame addon in your opinion?

[fallow osprey]

SUF is won’t let me place debuff icons where I’d like on the frame and can’t color code the border of my player frame if im poisoned, for example

As far as I’m aware

And the icon size is too small for me to notice on my player frame

[hazy bronze]

You can disable everything in elvui excluding frames if you want

[sick sentinel]

Banner? what's that? I throw spear

[jagged pier]

ew

[sick sentinel]

necro is boring

[jagged pier]

30% damage increase and 40% increase to suriviability + actually changing how u play the class and the speed at which u have to play the class yes very boring

sounds like a mad cause bad situation to me

[sick sentinel]

Wow thats crazy

Don't care

[urban portal]

Not playing venthyr

[sick sentinel]

Me having fun > minmaxing

[urban portal]

Cool no one asked

[undone verge]

Kyrian>>>>>

I will not be elaborating

[round cliff]

does the chance to get hidden artifact appearance reset at daily reset

[onyx matrix]

@round cliff they do yea

I remember checking nethalions lair atleast 40 times during legion and that day when I heard the dragon roar, oh baby that was a nice feeling

[round cliff]

im making a bunch of class trials rn

for this purpose

[onyx matrix]

GL!

[jagged pier]

could have just got it day 1 by logging in and out in the cave

[onyx matrix]

Yea but I didnt read about it until it was too late 😅

• i wasnt playing prot at the time in legion just arms with focused rage build

[onyx vessel]

Kyrian playstyle

I throw spear that sucks for sang weeks

Banner playstyle gotta go fast af

[undone verge]

spear=fun

[onyx vessel]

Banner falls off

Can be

Try banner and try and keep it up for 50%

[jagged pier]

spears old and played out

[onyx vessel]

Bigger pulls more dmg less looking at spear

[jagged pier]

do more damage with banner in bigger pulls

[onyx vessel]

Waiting for that 1 guy who is night fae

Bro i knock down tho

Thats rage income loss

[undone verge]

The one venthtyr prot warrior punching the air rn

[onyx vessel]

I can excute at 100-80

Me who doesnt have excute keybound

[jagged pier]

so close

[onyx vessel]

Its ok you will have over 40 in combat

Ows

People without ows

[jagged pier]

i dont really wear ows anyway

dont need it

[onyx vessel]

I dont have another option rn

this one for ilvl in bag

My ows is only 246 sadly

[jagged pier]

unluck

[onyx vessel]

Only got 5/10m last tier

Guild died

[jagged pier]

unluck

[blazing condor]

Same

3/10m

At least got aegis

[onyx vessel]

I didnt get aegis tho

[jagged pier]

LUL

[onyx vessel]

Killed the nine like 10 times got like 2 peices of loot

[sage yacht]

L

[onyx vessel]

I remember killing like 20 bosses without a single peice of loot dropping for me

I was like fuck raiding

Cant get a shield drop

246 rare drop shield

[onyx vessel]

Teach me how to be good like you

[round cliff]

got to my fifth class trial and now im running into an error trying to create it

blizz cut me off

[blazing condor]

literally 1984

[onyx vessel]

Class trial

[jagged pier]

press your buttons

[onyx vessel]

Hand cramps up and i cant

Use face?

[blazing condor]

works if you play bear

[onyx vessel]

According to that 1 youtuber bear is harder then warrior

[dawn canyon]

[onyx vessel]

[dawn canyon]

That one Youtuber has bad takes on warrior in it's entirety

[blazing condor]

dont give them more attention

[dawn canyon]

"Elysian might is an aoe only legendary" - talking about fury

[onyx vessel]

Maybe spear prot warrior

But banner

[dawn canyon]

Even then you gotta play it Correctly

[onyx vessel]

Not miss your spear like me

[dawn canyon]

I just throw it at my feet

No 30 year snipes

[onyx vessel]

Bear is the easiest rotation to play tbh

No mirco managing a banner

[onyx vessel]

Whats his video gonna watch it when i get home

Grab the popcorn

Watch this cringe video

🍿

[undone verge]

Wasn’t that the dude I linked ages ago

Like last summer

‘Tank difficulty tier list’ or summ

Blood and monk hardest

[jagged pier]

face, legs, toes, cock

[undone verge]

Warrior pally easiest

[dawn canyon]

Not worth thinking about

[undone verge]

Everyone knows pressing thrash is the hardest play style blizzard has ever concocted

[dawn canyon]

PPal is misleading for example imo

Since at a base level for it to work it easy

But it you wanna do utility offhealing and stuff it gets tricky

[onyx vessel]

Blood hard

Actual joke

[undone verge]

I mean im not saying ppal is easy but sure as hell bear blood and dh aint* easier than prot

aint*

[dawn canyon]

Blood used to be tricky

Over-marrowing can still fuck you

[pallid quiver]

I have at least seen Blood DKs fail to function, so there is difficulty there apparently

[dawn canyon]

It's difficult to be kyrian it seems

[pallid quiver]

i dunno, sometimes it's difficult to be alive; ran a +2 dos for valor not too long ago

somehow, the DPS died about 20 times and the muehzala fight was almost 10 minutes because i had to solo every totem

i don't understand sometimes

[jagged pier]

19 mueh i just did

https://tenor.com/view/vibe-rabbit-dance-bunny-vibe-twitch-gif-25518131

[pallid quiver]

yeah that fucking feel

[dawn canyon]

Moon-bin beating fotms

[jagged pier]

he didnt overall

[pallid quiver]

it's a shame that oomkin's still alive

[jagged pier]

i nearly beat him overall

[dawn canyon]

Howd the overall look

Did they crack the 15k

[jagged pier]

not the druid

[dawn canyon]

Cuz imagine being a destro and going <15 in dos

[dawn canyon]

Passable i suppose

[pallid quiver]

man, it's probably a lot easier to get higher DPS in dos when you can actually get mobs to follow you between packs to keep banner up instead of them just being deleted

[jagged pier]

was wearing 2 haste trinkets could have done 14 k at least

[pallid quiver]

that's all i'm understanding looking at that

[onyx matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/will-ferrell-yes-win-winning-gif-23766394

[sick sentinel]

me vs first boss spires 18 last night

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ag1o3koTLWM

[strange lintel]

how much haste do i want again

30%?

[lofty widget]

40 unbuffed

[strange lintel]

god

im at 33

thought i was close lol

36% now

[sweet summit]

friendly reminder that there are no magic numbers and you should just follow ilvl>haste, but at the 40% unbuffed mark you can start prioritizing other stats like vers/crit over haste as the stat tax is 20% from there on

[waxen orbit]

KEK bro why tf you got a boomie in there (I’m joking don’t take this seriously)

Streets is sayin feral on top now frfr

[waxen orbit]

I’ll never understand this take lol

“It’s fun for me to purposely underperform”

[cobalt seal]

Hope you didnt lose ilvl for those 36%

[strange lintel]

naw

diffrerent gear

[round cliff]

or the last fight of necrotic wake

dps are incapable of dodging the ice rain or escaping the banish

then u get banished cuz ur the only target left which causes a reset

[toxic pewter]

Honestly not sure how to get to 40% haste. Really difficult to get the gear and I guess that needs sockets on everything too

I’ve been trying but really difficult

[round cliff]

u just answered ur own question

get the gear get the sockets

[toxic pewter]

Yeah just taking a while

How much haste does a socket give

Like .5% or what

[round cliff]

idk off the top of my head

its about 10 ilvls worth, for what thats worth to u

[toxic pewter]

Ty

I’m at like 36ish

[round cliff]

im at like 25 so xd

idc enough to gear up this late into expac

yoooooooooooo

[toxic pewter]

O_O

[strange lintel]

still need a haste shield

[narrow fog]

Easier to run a good M+ grp as tank or mdps?

[toxic pewter]

Uhhh

[strange lintel]

depends on how good are ya but being a tank makes things go faster

[toxic pewter]

Prob dps I guess? Less responsibility

[lofty widget]

whatever youre most comfortable as

[strange lintel]

https://gyazo.com/47fdd9489a049673a6654b50cc64ab57 need moar haste

[toxic pewter]

Ya tank sets the pace generally so prob better to lead tank if you want to be the leader

[narrow fog]

I am comfortable as both, likely will run both, just asking

[narrow fog]

Sick tmog

[strange lintel]

its a fullset lol

[narrow fog]

Yes, but it looks sick

Doesn't matter

[strange lintel]

https://gyazo.com/47048d309aa5d1fdcae799d6faed78c9 only reason i use it is cuz the shield and shoulder lock like this

[narrow fog]

Fist wep really carries it

[strange lintel]

gets me rigid xfd

[narrow fog]

HORDEGASM

[strange lintel]

just love that shoulder and shield combo

[narrow fog]

If this does not get you hard, idk what to say.

[dawn canyon]

very depressing ows

[waxen orbit]

Full set + #transmog

[strange lintel]

i mean at least i have one. imagine not having one

[dawn canyon]

you might be fine with a 272 soleah

[strange lintel]

laugh sure let me get that off the boss/vault right away

[sick sentinel]

when can we expect new seasons? mostly m+ pve related ones, and so, i think i heard it was all of the BFA dungeons they are starting with?

[dawn canyon]

272 is valor upgrades

go soleah jail

[sick sentinel]

i believe i heard it was end of this month or next

[dawn canyon]

new season sometime summer

[dawn canyon]

all mega dungeons + grimrail and another wod one

[strange lintel]

cant wait for all thos bugs

[sick sentinel]

never done grimrail to my knowledge unless its that one wher u go around and shoot a ball, avoid fire get on a boat

[strange lintel]

if i recall right one of the grimrail bosses was a bugfest

[dawn canyon]

train*

[sick sentinel]

that dungeon looks like (insert horrible thing) design with m+ affixes potentially lol

i have no idea about the train boss but i see tons of videos on youtube about it, seen soo many vidoes with footage of it random YT videos

[dawn canyon]

its on rails

literally

[strange lintel]

didnt that dungeon gave people with motion sickness issues a run for their guts

[dawn canyon]

theyre enabling an npc

to toggle the background movement off

[sick sentinel]

i live 25 meters from a train tracks

trains no longer bother me

[dawn canyon]

its the movement not the noise

[sick sentinel]

they fuckin loud and annoying, but nothin you can do but ignore the sound lol

i dunno, i just think there must be a damn good reason they put a loud as shit horn on an IRL train

[strange lintel]

oh you know.

to warn people from inminent death is probably a reason

[sick sentinel]

actual irl 1 shot, IRL DBM audio alert on global too edgy joke

[sick sentinel]

?

[narrow fog]

I love how easy it is to get around a discord ban

[round cliff]

the hidden appearance has particle effects too

broooo it's so cool looking

i dont even care that it doesn't match maghar heritage

ill find a mog to use it with

[sick sentinel]

You could use the red sword from ZM

tht would also be suitable new flashy weapon for that mog

[balmy canyon]

Anyone have any tips for using reprisal? I've been running The Wall all expansion and it serves me well, I regularly get >90% parses and keep banner up until the last 20sec of cd but I think in order to break that 100% uptime wall I'm gonna need to accept it and join the dark side and drop Wall.

[chrome falcon]

yeah wall is bad

well not bad

but reprisal is just insane

[round cliff]

it is only the dark side because u have not seen the light of reprisal

[modern brook]

Don't over complicate it

Just charge and intervene alot

Take advantage of parties slows/ cc in m+ and taunt swaps in raid to sneak more charges in

[median tulip]

Focus a melee DPS; Have a macro that intervenes your focus. GGHF

If you're lucky it'll also stop them from dying, but that part is just a bonus if it happens

[modern brook]

"Bro wtf I'm always able to stand in that"--your dps when they make you play vengeance or whatever pussy class is meta nowadays

[cobalt seal]

[languid jacinth]

is codex of the first technique any good in higher keys?

[shut summit]

wasnt a fan when i tried it

[languid jacinth]

word

[jagged girder]

check the last pin

[grave crane]

Nomeratur did the math and it’s bad for us no matter the key I think. But if sense don’t like it we don’t like it

[languid jacinth]

thanks!

good thing i have scale

[waxen orbit]

Banner is just like

Miles better in every regard

For prot

Than spear is

[jagged pier]

At best its 2% damage reduction its calulatuon happens after everything inculding IP

[grave crane]

It happening after IP is wild, I would have thought it would have been the highest priority of damage reduction like before shield block and stuff

[strong forum]

Absorbs usually always happen after mitigation

[toxic pewter]

I find the best trinket for me is just plain stats. I borderline want to run soleah and elegy

[blazing condor]

[toxic pewter]

What’s the highest rated prot warrior who only pugs

[strong forum]

R1

Tattman pugs

Which goes to show how serious the R1 spot is

[toxic pewter]

Interesting

I respect that

Just sort of annoys me I read a comment on twitch “it’s basically impossible to get into high key pugs as prot warr”

Now I find out our highest rated prot warr is a pugger lmao

doesn’t make any sense

[strong forum]

Lots of high rated players pug

Cuz everybody knows everybody at the highest levels

Cuz the player pool is so small

[toxic pewter]

Ya that’s true

Community opinion is annoying as hell

It’s just a popularity contest like we are in high school

[potent anvil]

Also not a lot of tanks in m+ compared to dps..so you'll most likely get a pity invite.

[toxic pewter]

That’s true lmao

[potent anvil]

I managed to get my weekly vault keys spamming 15s as a 240 prot pala

[toxic pewter]

Nice

[oblique garnet]

Nobody wants to tank because other tanks struggle with threat and warrior is ”bad” 8)

[toxic pewter]

I only pug reached 3k. It’s common to pug to 3k right?

[potent anvil]

Yeah

I mean, I pugged to 3.4 on my warrior, although I queue as dps

[toxic pewter]

Ya

Nice

[oblique garnet]

Pretty sure im like 2.5k

[potent anvil]

It's just hard to get into the 26-27 range pugs. I'm just trying to get seasonal title

[toxic pewter]

Ya I guess I mean like high keys, especially high key pugs apparently prot warr are like non existent

Like less than 5% of all tanks or something

[potent anvil]

Dunno why, other than not really enabling the big pulls like a BDK, but you can pull aggressively fast as a prot warr. You're built as a wall, so you're consistent.

[oblique garnet]

You can do the same big pulls on warrior too

[potent anvil]

I always chain instead of doing it all at once because dps tend to just start hitting things

I nearly +3'd a halls+22 the other day

[toxic pewter]

Nice

[potent anvil]

Playing emeni and having 180%~ move speed just moving

[oblique garnet]

Have any of the bigger streamers started playing warrior yet

[potent anvil]

Nope

BDK or brew I think

[oblique garnet]

Yikes

[toxic pewter]

Emeni…

I want to try is she fun

[potent anvil]

I just play emeni because it gives movespeed...with banner and full move speed buffs I'm hitting +80%~

[toxic pewter]

Lol damn

Do you use that move speed gem

[potent anvil]

So I'm just leaving when I have CDs up

[toxic pewter]

Ngl that sounds fun

[potent anvil]

Yeah, both SL speed gems

[oblique garnet]

You know that warrior is in the same state it was in bfa s2/s4 but people just keep sleeping on it when its the strongest m+ tank

[toxic pewter]

Wait there’s two?

[potent anvil]

+5% and the one that gives 13 speed per SL gem

[toxic pewter]

Ohhh

[potent anvil]

Unless the +5% is not SL specific

[toxic pewter]

Do you have speed cloak

[potent anvil]

Yeah

[toxic pewter]

That’s mainly it right

I want to be fast now lol

[potent anvil]

I dunno, I queued into a 26 spires the other day and got invited. They all looked at my gear and then uninvited me lol

I guess I have no vers

[toxic pewter]

Damn

[potent anvil]

35% crit andy

[toxic pewter]

Omg lol

That’s badass tho lmao

[oblique garnet]

Please god not this again

[toxic pewter]

You must do big dps

[oblique garnet]

”You need full vers gear to tank high keys on warrior” -Literally everyone in bfa

[potent anvil]

I mean I dont need vers, tbh. Nothing feels threatening if I'm playing properly and calling externals if needed.

[toxic pewter]

Honestly with spamming ignore pain and shield block and stuff we are pretty tanky just with our abilities

[potent anvil]

The 22 halls I tanked the other day, I even played seismic lol

[toxic pewter]

Makes sense

[potent anvil]

Did 14k overall

[toxic pewter]

Lol damn that’s bad ass

[potent anvil]

I just started gearing my prot pala though. Seems fun so far, dunno how they'll fare once I start doing 20+

[toxic pewter]

Prot pally is fun but I sort of got bored of it having to stand in damn consecration all the time

[sick sentinel]

you can JUMP while channeling FC with her

[toxic pewter]

Lol interesting

Can move in general right

[potent anvil]

Yeah I use that, I just flesh and move when a pack is dying so I can start the next with a shield.

[toxic pewter]

While channeling it

Not bad

[sick sentinel]

that'd be funny as hell if you did the old nitro boost 400% speed and then do it

[toxic pewter]

😂

[lavish oracle]

What items are people gonna grab in s4 with the raid currency?

Old warrior soul, shield, and weapon?

[cinder storm]

Matrix/aegis and shield

[strong forum]

Matrix aegis ows

[toxic pewter]

Def gonna use codex

[lavish oracle]

3 trinkets makes sense, I suppose

[sick sentinel]

huh? raid currency?

[dawn canyon]

Ye

[cinder storm]

Yeah, you get a raid currency in S4 if you complete some requisites or quests, you get to buy only 3 raid items throughout the whole S4

[hazy edge]

I’m probably not gunna get aegis with the token just cause it comes off a third boss. You’re very likely to get it. I’ll probs grab a 311 weapon or shield instead along with ows and rdm

[waxen orbit]

OWS, Aegis, and then one item of your choice

Knowing my RNG I’ll probably have to cop out and buy Aegis

I ain’t get that shit til the 14th kill

[hazy edge]

Depends on how much you raid tho

[waxen orbit]

I mean I had to kill Nine 14 times to get my mythic Aegis

Just saying RNG for it is dookie poopoo

[hazy edge]

Just have every one that can go yank loot do so

Raises the chances of you getting it by a lot

[toxic pewter]

That pull slam unironically wiped my entire group one time

[dawn canyon]

I mean the nine is very easy

So..

Same for rdm

[hazy edge]

Yeah

But guardian is locked behind painsmith

[waxen orbit]

God I hate how hard Painsmith was for people

It was literally just routine

You could have your group doing absolute dogwater DPS but just following mechs and still down it, but people would choke on that shit so often

Not shaming people for mistakes

[alpine shard]

tried to get my friend to log an m+ run and then he forgot to turn on advanced logging notlikethis

[waxen orbit]

Just saying it was a frustrating way for the boss to wipe

[waxen orbit]

[alpine shard]

im only doing like 10k overall but i think one of my main issues is that i press IP way too much

[hazy edge]

Agreed, especially as a tank

[dawn canyon]

Question is if they let people do the pre-change PS

[undone verge]

I mean thats what happens to our group every single week. We get hard stuck because people are wiping to easy mechanics on the umpteenth pull of the boss

and its not even like we're doing hard content its just early mythic bosses or late heroic bosses

[sweet summit]

seismic?

[alpine shard]

yeah

[sweet summit]

wicked

[alpine shard]

i need to get more comfortable with prot before i can start using reprisal

and besides im only doing like 15s so no danger of dying

[waxen orbit]

Fair

Though I’d say reprisal is part of what gets you comfortable with prot

[sweet summit]

it makes it a lot safer

but seismic makes you play better (unless you just go mongo dps mode like i do when i have seismic equipped)

[drifting fable]

isnt that what seismic is for lol

[waxen orbit]

Frfr

[sweet summit]

yes i guess

[chrome falcon]

you would think seismic encourages you to just mongo spam revenge but it really doesn't

you cast fewer revenges per key with seismic than you do with reprisal

[robust rover]

In fated raids, which cheat death would you rather have? Heart or Fatescribes?

[chrome falcon]

heart

[waxen orbit]

Heart 110%

[potent anvil]

Aren't they effectively the same? I suppose heart does damage if you proc.

[chrome falcon]

they are effectively the same

[robust rover]

Does Fate give more healing?

[chrome falcon]

but i'd rather have heart

[robust rover]

k

[chrome falcon]

heart lets you kill your teammates

[robust rover]

good to know at least they are essentially equal

[chrome falcon]

pretty sure they heal the same at same ilvl

[robust rover]

i didn't raid in nathria so i've never seen/used it

[chrome falcon]

also killing kaelthas is easy

killing facescribe is a pain in the dick

[robust rover]

truth

Well i only did Kael in LFR, but still

Fate was annoying always

[potent anvil]

The overkill amount is the same at even ilvls, Fate gives more health back, and Heart has the damage proc. So it's kinda w/e you want. Still a cheat death trinket.

[chrome falcon]

actually it looks like weave might heal way more

but yeah it's not gonna matter much

heart lets you crit your melee dps for like 15k so i think that has some good value

[potent anvil]

[chrome falcon]

plus

they're all gonna have like 310 ilvl OWS

so when you get low and proc your cheat death they'll heal you too

and be lower health so you can snipe them during execute phases

and blast

[alpine shard]

well im still too focused on my core rotation, i'm only barely pressing my cooldowns, i dont have the mindpower to then also keep track of my shield block duration and charges and charge/intervene when im out

like i think i pressed last stand 3 or 4 times through the whole dungeon or something

im also not really keeping track of 4set yet

[sweet summit]

COOLDOWNS

ON

COOLDOWN

[hazy edge]

iirc heart also resets on death and weave doesn't

[chrome falcon]

oh yeah in keys heart >>>> weave

but for raiding you shouldn't be planning to die

[hazy edge]

^

[chrome falcon]

but that is also part of why i prefer heart

[potent anvil]

You shouldn't be planning on dying in keys, either

[chrome falcon]

and yet

[sweet summit]

death skips bro

[alpine shard]

someone hasnt been watching the chinese team

[chrome falcon]

9.0 and early 9.1

heart was the saviour of giga scuffed shitter keys

[alpine shard]

their tank intentionally jumps off in dos to reset his cheat death

[potent anvil]

Well, I always just play dps prot in keys. Won't catch me with a cheat death trinket

[alpine shard]

same tbh

or i try to at least

the dps part is still lacking

i think next time im gonna try to focus on pressing ip less

[chrome falcon]

you press IP to dump excess rage

that's literally all the thought process you need for that button

[alpine shard]

yeah i know but right now when i have rage my first instinct is to press ip rather than revenge

[chrome falcon]

whatever works for you is fine but imo getting used to reprisal asap is probably a better long-term play for learning the spec

you don't have to worry about giga reprisal optimisation early on

but getting used to the effect and dipping your toe into it is gonna work out better

[potent anvil]

When the pug lock gives you soulstone

[chrome falcon]

get that shit canceled immediately

that's an insult

one of my dps players offered to let me play his paladin for rygelon in case i thought prot warrior would be too bad for it

i almost challenged him to a real life duel

[alpine shard]

ive only had 1 unintentional death so far while tanking

stood in an urh slam and got hit by a swirly in top

[sweet summit]

unlucky

[sick sentinel]

run # 42069 spires of ascension

there is no anima fields being emitted at all had to reset 3rd boss, 17, timed

[potent anvil]

Arms owns

This is why I play AM on arms...because if you have a tank like me...arms cds are scuffed

45/90

[sick sentinel]

unholy typically better

I know all of bfa dk friend would always go uh for dps

sometimes went fdk for pvp

[oblique garnet]

@sick sentinel go to sleep

It got real weird in last 2 seasons

[fallow osprey]

im leveling a prot warrior right now, so at max level am I not using IP as a defensive spend of rage? Just a pressure relief valve for rage?

[waxen orbit]

Pretty much, yeah

[pallid quiver]

IP at max level and relevant content reduces a pitiful amount of damage in comparison to what you're taking; it's something, but not much

It'll also be full almost all the time anyway due to the amount of rage gen

[fallow osprey]

oh ok. cuz it's pretty decent mitigation for leveling i had assumed that stayed relatively similar at max level but sounds like it does not

[pallid quiver]

So it's just straight up not worth thinking about at the current state of level cap

To give an example, a max stacked IP on my end prevents about 20k damage

i have over 100k hp

[oblique garnet]

With 4 set you will end up dumping alot of rage into ip

[pallid quiver]

Shield block also scales better with higher damage numbers and is your main defensive

[fallow osprey]

absorbs don't feel very warriory to me anyway

[pallid quiver]

That being said, IP's still technically better than Shield Block for unblockable damage, like spells

I'll have you know Shield Barrier was the shit

actually a full on absorb instead of like a weird half mitigation/absorb thing

And vengeance made it cracked

give vengeance back blizzard you cowards

[sick sentinel]

well, besides angry person with melee weapon and zero magic, what makes warrior stand out

[fallow osprey]

i think the offense into defense cycle that prot has right now is super flavorful actually

[sick sentinel]

I think that since we are melee reducers would be nice to have think it was mentioned I think paladins get it, puts up shield blocks behind

staple warrior berserker spell give it to the paladin that already has auras and other stuff

[fallow osprey]

i macro'd avatar and demo shout together since the cooldowns lined up but with anger management now that seems like it won't be a common occurrence anymore? should i just cast on cooldown?

[grave crane]

I mean I only macro avatar with blood fury and have separate binds for either or. I cast demo on CD anyway and avatar as well but with AM avatar will be much lower than demo so not sure it’s really worth it

[fallow osprey]

ok thanks

[grave crane]

If your using booming voice you get a damage buff in addition to instant rage gen so you can use that then avatar and dump rage and shield slam for big damage

[fallow osprey]

ya that's why i initially sync'd them up, i'll keep doing that if they line up but sounds like its pretty variable with the CDR from anger management

[grave crane]

Yah you’ll notice you can get the cd on avatar down especially if you on last stand and the rage gen is huge. The problem with syncing them up could be overcapping rage

[fallow osprey]

thanks for the help!

[mighty valley]

You don’t really want to macro rage generators into anything because you’ll inevitably forget to dump your rage low enough to handle the income

[weak spindle]

was he playing ravager condemn

his numbers would suggest so 😄

[agile cosmos]

Hello, another question. Necro or Kyrian for 15s at 265 ilvl? lol I wrote Prot first instead of Kyrian hahaha. I should sleep.

[cobalt seal]

Answer is always the same

Necro

[agile cosmos]

tyvm

[round cliff]

whats the socket item

[round cliff]

oh its for the vault currency

[sweet summit]

yeah that's the only way to guarantee a socket this patch

[onyx matrix]

1 socket Costs 6 tokens right?

[sweet summit]

yep

[dawn canyon]

you need 3 slots for 6 tokens

[sick sentinel]

rip 3 278s Tuesday, only on 3/8 would have to do 5 more and have to do 18 streets, scared of tyrannical menagerie

[dawn canyon]

drop it to a 16

ezpz

get at least 4/8

[sick sentinel]

4 for sure, I just don't think 4 more after this one will happen in 40 hrs

[dawn canyon]

i usually do last 4 in a day

but then go quick 15s where you either have 3 278 andies or where you gap some alts

either works

[sick sentinel]

Monday is a total crap shoot for all pug keys over 15s

Sunday is okay day but slow

[dawn canyon]

depleted 23 NW
hunter splashed shaman with 1st boss frontal and we wiped

[round cliff]

was it a human hunter

[dawn canyon]

it was an MM

all i remember

[sick sentinel]

I stood in like 3 or more of the beam from bird first boss spires then got deleted to no blocking the attack +18

[topaz field]

@dawn canyon u can intervene that shit

[dawn canyon]

i was dpsing so then i die :)

22 should be fine later today

[sick sentinel]

if this is the bosses looking at tank, then looks at selected player does attack goes back to tank its an everybody job to not be hit or hit others way I look at it

oh well, shit happens

[dawn canyon]

will work next time

ye ofc

[round cliff]

im still getting used to prot opener and i completely blank on mechanics on pull

😔

[grave crane]

Hit a target dummy so you build muscle memory

[sick sentinel]

why is the melee hunter standing beside the (probably) ranged shaman, could see it if they are enh

is my question

[jagged girder]

https://tinyurl.com/ReflectGuide gives me an error and didn't load for me

It's the reflect/blockable sheet from pin

[drifting fable]

hmm still works for me

[jagged girder]

😦

[drifting fable]

google that error code and try troubleshooting, i assume the issue is on your end

[lofty widget]

try clicking the "not secure" in the search bar, looks like your browser is stopping the connection

[sick sentinel]

your end, worked first click for me

[modern zephyr]

Is there ever a boss or situation where I should never use SB? And instead just use IP?

[grave crane]

SB is your main mitigation so probably not, even in raid if your not actively tanking you SB so you SS hits harder

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-14359850

[lofty widget]

only boss i can think of like that is eye of the jailer from SoD since it didnt melee

but you still want SB for the dmg increase ofc

[jagged pier]

u still SB for damage

[round cliff]

i got to 30% haste

in the 30% gang now

[toxic pewter]

grats

[grave crane]

Time to get tk 40% gang

[paper mirage]

Do you use a custom hosts file? It looks like a page that would load for a blocked url on your end. A lot of those shortener links (like tinyurl) redirect to phishing sites so sometimes they get blocked by antivirus or even a hosts file.

[jagged girder]

Ty for the tip

Can you dm me the non shortened version of the link?

[paper mirage]

Np, sent

[honest parcel]

Hello good people, qq, is nightfae viable to tank up to +15 and perhaps SFO heroic? Or is it waaay behind necro/kyr?

[sweet summit]

it's good enough for you do be all good

but necrolord is extremely far ahead in all content so it's worth going if you really care

[honest parcel]

Thanks, I've been necro till I got aotc, but really like the nf skill

[sweet summit]

[sick sentinel]

18 streets lets go, i'll let you know when it becomes a 15 over time

[silk edge]

Do you know if the buff to ally from banner is applied once when you press it or its always up to the one closest ?

[fallow osprey]

For the first big pull of NW, do you have everyone stack to mitigate the leaping from the soldiers? Or is the on-death explosion from blight bags too much

[chrome falcon]

once they have it, they have it

[silk edge]

Allright thx

But i mean do i need to wait for them to come in range if needed for whatever reason or can they get it after

Like an aura or something ?

[chrome falcon]

no

you cast the spell

and it hits 3 people near you

that's it

there's no aura

[silk edge]

Ok, thx for infos

[potent anvil]

[jagged pier]

getting there

[potent anvil]

I had a key earlier...with a surv hunter who died to frontals, blamed me and ragequit mid key

[jagged pier]

sounds about right

[round cliff]

when i press avatar as im charging im i want to get that outburst stack used asap because im about to be dumping a fkload of rage right

ravager -> banner -> charge avatar -> IP -> ss -> the rest

[blazing condor]

Some people have the mental strength of a watermelon

[jagged pier]

dat me

[blazing condor]

[sick sentinel]

on that mengarie boss and i supposed to leave the first 2 in centre, and then as 2nd boss is 10% or lower HP i take it to and leave it in the left or right corner and kill 3rd minibos like any other in centre

we wiped twice there, and then went over a bit, but its finished

[scenic mural]

yes

[blazing condor]

you usually put the kyrian fella in the corner

for the balls

and then your pugs gotta be good at soaking orbs'

[sick sentinel]

every time i always take boss 1 to the corner and then end up attacking boss 2 in corner ??? 3rd boss appears ??? wipe

[karmic plinth]

is there an updated conqueror's banner sheet from the one that was pinned from before?

[robust rover]

First boss should almost be dead when 2nd drops down (or is fully dead)

Then (the "hardest part") 3rd drops down when 2nd boss is ~25%. You need to look for that, taunt it over, and gain agro. Then finish with 2nd/3rd on the edge until 2nd dies

Then you can move a little away from the corpse of 2nd, but don't go too far as people need to be near enough to get orbs

You can move around a little when the 3rd is dropping down

It's not a must kill 2nd on edge or tank on edge the whole time

https://youtu.be/NiYhkefeduE?t=229

The kyrian boss dies in the middle here, but instead have him die on the edge in a corner

[round cliff]

https://i.imgur.com/ZhSJIlm.png worth?

more stamina is more betters

so much haste loss tho

[agile pumice]

nice conduits

[strong forum]

i woulndt use the ring

unless you already have a very high haste budget

like 35%+

[round cliff]

im at 30

[strong forum]

with the haste ring or without

[round cliff]

with

[strong forum]

then stick to the haste ring

[sick sentinel]

ring in his bags can be upgraded to 272 if its only one hes got m+

[strong forum]

sure but hed literally only gain mastery and stam

its quite a bad ring and i wouldnt upgrade it

[sick sentinel]

i think this is probably the worst ring

[strong forum]

yea

doesnt get much worse than that

[round cliff]

vers is a good stat isnt it

[robust rover]

Haste > Vers/Crit > Mastery

So that ring gives you the worst secondary and middle secondary

[urban portal]

its also small vers big mastery

[round cliff]

mastery is my highest stat rn cause thats just what happened with me prioritizing ilvl

rip

[strong forum]

if that happens it happens

its not detrimental

[lavish grove]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/z7PBTk6pymf94aCY/#fight=last there's 3 keys in there pretty sure im not extending banner as much as i could be

not sure if just me being bad or things dying to fast tho

[strong forum]

need to make more use of reprisal

[jagged pier]

need to make more use of SB tbh

[chrome falcon]

got rygo down

[strong forum]

actually youre underusing SB more than reprisal

[chrome falcon]

starting jailer now

[strong forum]

and underusing SS aswell as LS

[jagged pier]

and undering Dmo shout

and charge and intervene and LS and SW

[strong forum]

general CPM is ~20 cpm too little

sure its not 4pc gaming yet, but need to work on pressing a little more buttons

[lavish grove]

the halls has 4p

[strong forum]

ah

need alot more SS, IP, LS and SB usage

[lavish grove]

atleast im pretty sure it does

[jagged pier]

using alot of outburst on TC

and wasting alot of rage

but thats down to the low casts most likely

[strong forum]

low blocked hits stems from underusing SB and a bit low on charge

[lavish grove]

yeah i dont really pay attention to trying to get into range for charge

so pretty much press buttons more

[strong forum]

[lavish grove]

my blissfull ignorance

gone reduced to atoms

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-gone-reduced-to-atoms-end-game-infinity-war-gif-15573921

[sick sentinel]

No maidens?

[chrome falcon]

i don't want to start jailer prog

my mental isn't ready for it

[strong forum]

think about the loo-

nvm

[jagged pier]

/gquit

[chrome falcon]

7 ilvl upgrade on tier legs

[jagged pier]

[chrome falcon]

[oblique garnet]

@strong forum can you use gavel on prot?

Use the proc switch to 1 hander and shield?

thats cringe

[alpine shard]

unless they fixed it you can force swap by equipping an offhand

[strong forum]

you can, but you cant switch back to gavel

[shut summit]

[strong forum]

and id think you lose the buff from gavel if you swap away from it

so no gain to be had

[hazy edge]

Correct

[strong forum]

i think they made this change in SoD

where you lose buffs from the weppy if you switch off of it

cuz of jotun or w/e the weapon was called

[solar delta]

Good morning, I was a little nervous to ask, but here goes, how much haste should I have without any buffs. Currently my stats are like this: 10% crit, 36% haste, 17% mast, 25% versa. I appreciate any help. Apologies if the google translate was not very accurate.

[dawn canyon]

that is a good amount of haste

your question was very understandable

[chrome falcon]

haste is good, less vers more crit

[strong forum]

tbf any amount of haste between 25 and 40% is perfectly fine, more is always better

rest doesnt really matter

crit is more dmg oriented, versatility is more defensively oriented (after haste)

[solar delta]

I appreciate the speed of your responses. One more question regarding trinkets. Progressing in the jailer in his heroic version. I have the scale, the codex, Soleah, Phial and Dread Sack.

[chrome falcon]

i liked scale for HC jailer

for when you're breaking a pillar

[sharp dew]

SD third boss, dps warrs can reflect(deflect) agonize and don’t need any orbs right?

[lofty widget]

they still take dmg from the initial hit, they just dont get the debuff

so no, they still need orbs

[sharp dew]

Ahh ok, do you guys get orbs as prot or no?

[lofty widget]

not needed

[sick sentinel]

how does that work for us pwar, does pwar need to pick up any orbs or designed that tank isn't supposed to say on a 15 or 20 key, expecting and on a normal timer

[lofty widget]

until like 25/26 tyr

[sharp dew]

So we just take the initial burst dmg from the explosion is all right?

Which SR is mitigating 20% of

[lofty widget]

i usually just max my ip right before with SR, on higher keys ill just rotate my defensives for that since you dont need them anywhere else

[sick sentinel]

cuz, im wondering if its suppposed to be like, thre is 20 orbs total that spawn, healer and dps get 5 each, tank gets none maybe 1 or 2 and pops some CD

[solar delta]

So scale as the first trinket, and for the second trinket? Of the options mentioned or should I get one specifically.

[lofty widget]

phial or soleahs

[sharp dew]

Maybe I’m thinking of a different dungeon but I thought you could only get 3 orbs each and after that there isn’t more effectiveness?

[lofty widget]

it's 20 % DR per orb up to 100 % aka 5 orbs

[sharp dew]

Ahh ok good to know

[teal swift]

[sick sentinel]

we have so many DR's and a reflect that it shouldn't really matter

[sharp dew]

For safeguard, back in legion it was a talent that was 30% and it didn’t matter how far away from them you were. Do you have to be within the 10 yards for it to work in SL like intervene, or is it unlimited range on safeguard once you intervene them-legion

[sick sentinel]

intervene tool tip says 6 seconds so i am going to assume maximum of 6 seconds

dunno what happens if the buff gets eaten up because they get melee'd

[strong forum]

once safeguard is applied the range doesnt matter anymore

1 orb should generally be enough for the tank on SD 3rd boss

in lower keys you dont need any

[teal swift]

Nomer is orange now

[sharp dew]

Ok so it’s still like legion then cool. Just the intervene buff itself you need to be within range

[sick sentinel]

does it apply a seperate buff to that player that says DR 20% or whatever it is for X seconds?

[strong forum]

yes

Intervene is decoupled from Safeguard, theyre 2 seperate buffs

[teal swift]

Nomer gained enough iq points to tie his shoes

[sharp dew]

^

[teal swift]

[strong forum]

Intervene merely applies the safeguard buff

[strong forum]

👓

[teal swift]

:nomeratur:

[sick sentinel]

cuz, the safegaurd conduit tooltip simply says "intervene reduces damage taken by the target by 19%."

[sharp dew]

After seeing the talent tree for Druid and seeing you’ll be able to “wear” 4 legion legendaries and SL legendaries at the same time, I really really hope we get some awesome legion synergy whenever the prot tree releases

[solar delta]

Thank you very much for your guidance.

[strong forum]

we're filled with for talent tree

[sharp dew]

Bring back warbringer no dr stun and 30% safeguard Pog

Antorus tier set would make me happier than anything else

[toxic pewter]

Codex gonna be best trinket season 4

[strong forum]

its not even a good trinket now

https://tenor.com/view/champoy-el-risitas-kek-issou-etu-gif-17837830

[lofty widget]

rdm* yeah

[toxic pewter]

Ya but I heard it gonna be best

[strong forum]

then you heard insanely wrong

[toxic pewter]

I also have a feeling

[strong forum]

no

[sharp dew]

Do we know what max ilvl will be from valor? Or max from vault from m+

[strong forum]

in s4 everybody will run SoD trinkets

[sharp dew]

Like 272/278-

[strong forum]

298ish/304

[toxic pewter]

Is sanctum a hard raid for someone who never did it

[strong forum]

sanctum is the easiest raid in SL

[toxic pewter]

Ok

[hazy edge]

ows, rdm, aegis

[strong forum]

Aegis, Matrix, Ows

[toxic pewter]

Does castle nathria have anything good

[hazy edge]

Nothing compared to sod

[toxic pewter]

Not just trinkets but anything

[strong forum]

uuuhm

if anything it has the "best" cheat death trinket

of the 2

[toxic pewter]

Ya I would run that

[strong forum]

everything else is pretty irrelevant

[toxic pewter]

Does cheat death trinket suit prot warr

[strong forum]

ive never run a cheat death trinket in wow

[toxic pewter]

I feel like it could be nice if pushing hard keys

[strong forum]

its aoe is INCREDIBLY tiny

you have to literally stand ontop of the tank

to get hit by the proc

[toxic pewter]

How many items per week can I buy with the new currency and can I get that currency from mythic+ or do I gotta raid

[hazy edge]

There's also a normal -> heroic -> mythic upgrade currency iirc

[toxic pewter]

3 per character oh got it

[lavish grove]

You need to raid to get them

[toxic pewter]

Ok

[lavish grove]

Sincr they are tied to boss kills

[strong forum]

itll take ~6 weeks to get all 3 coins

aka clear every raid twice

[toxic pewter]

Can I I upgrade a raid item I get from vault with that new upgrade currency

[strong forum]

and every coin is a 1 time thing per character

you will be able to upgrade items, but idk if its only for the coin bought items or all of them

[lavish grove]

Probably not worth buying aegis homestly

[toxic pewter]

Ya hmm interesting

So what are the three to buy. Is it basically already decided you think

[lavish grove]

Its very easy to find a group that goes to the nine

[sharp dew]

Is it a currency that just lets you buy items from raid or something?

[strong forum]

well you will only get a shot at SoD loot once every 3 weeks

[lavish grove]

I guess thats true

So just loot it first kill

Not hard

[strong forum]

3 coins, you get them for 30-50-60 raid boss kills (total)

[lavish grove]

Wasnt first one 20?

[strong forum]

na first one is 30

[sharp dew]

And one item=1 coin?

[strong forum]

ye

[sharp dew]

At mythic level?

[strong forum]

no

[lavish grove]

Heroic

[lofty widget]

at normal level

[strong forum]

normal

but you can upgrade them

[lavish grove]

Oh wait yeh you can upgrade to heroic

[strong forum]

can upgrade all the way to mythic

[sharp dew]

With valor or something else

[toxic pewter]

Can upgrade to mythic eventually even right

[lavish grove]

Need to collect another currency

[toxic pewter]

Ya

[strong forum]

with a new raid currency from the raids

[lofty widget]

gotta kill 20 or something hc/mythic bosses to upgrade a specific item to that level

so its gonna take a while

[sharp dew]

Dang so if you don’t raid you’re kinda screwed next season then?

[toxic pewter]

What are three best items to get

[lavish grove]

Ows is currently the only item i will buy 100%

[strong forum]

aegis ows matrix

i will buy those 3

unless i get a drop

[lofty widget]

if you dont raid youre equally "screwed" every season

[strong forum]

^

and hc raids are pretty easy

[lofty widget]

cause none ofthose trinkets are mandatory

[toxic pewter]

Would you basically switch trinkets depending on different situations

[strong forum]

and the trinkets are VERY much worth it

like nothing gets even close to those 3

[lavish grove]

I remember listening to my brew friend mald cause he could not get aegis

[strong forum]

im expecting heavy nerfs to trinkets tho

cuz it would just fit for blizz to nerf the only good trinkets

even in a throwaway season

[sharp dew]

Currently most people use m+ trinkets in m+ but it sounds like that’s not gonna be the case next season that’s what I meant by screwed

[strong forum]

cuz ALL of the current raid items suck

and top m+ players are still using SoD raid trinkets

btw

theyre still using 252/259 SoD raid trinkets in current patch