well a little more now i guess
#protection
woven laurel
his channel almost got taken down because of copy strikes
jagged pier
welll it is am aoe leggo as much as its a ST leggo tbf
woven laurel
he was stealing creators gameplay off yt i had to strike him
dawn canyon
welll it is am aoe leggo as much as its a ST leggo tbf
Yep EM was the best st pick in SoD
But trust izen it's an aoe pick only
jagged pier
well if your talking dps
dawn canyon
jagged pier
u should be more specific
robust rover
Hearing guildies hype me up as “easiest to heal” is all I need. Pwar the best.
round cliff
prot is the most fun
so when they eventually get buffed to be the best, then they'll be the most fun and the best
then ill be living large
strong forum
I mean we're only 1 buff away from that
peak garnet
Is Sepulcher's Savior worth using :)?
peak garnet
Been stuck on 272 for a while now 😄 Just got it from mythic 🙂
strong forum
what would break em
A dmg buff or a defensive buff, which can come in many ways
There's no 1 definite thing which would lead us to be broken, but if it was any it had to be dmg output
dark lark
Buff thunderclap so it's not such a low priority builder, let IP stack more considering how much we spam it now
strong forum
In m+ everybody is pretty equal
cinder storm
Question about HoA, after third boss, the adds on the elite area, has anyone tried going in with one or two players, activating as many as possible and waiting for a ress after wiping?
strong forum
In raid sure, okay, but nobody rly cares about raid dmg output this far info the tier
Except vdh and bear
distant crystal
Question about HoA, after third boss, the adds on the elite area, has anyone tri...
to what end?
round cliff
A dmg buff or a defensive buff, which can come in many ways
what if they give us deafening crash back in the dragonflight talent trees
jagged pier
no
cinder storm
they enrage and pugs like to break all of them together and dont kill urh, got two depletes on 25 24, rather than just killing one or two section at the time, dps go brr
round cliff
was it not a solid chunk of tc dmg
strong forum
Nah, was like an 8-10% buff per trait
round cliff
brace for impact?
strong forum
they enrage and pugs like to break all of them together and dont kill urh, got t...
Then don't break all of them
dark lark
I legit miss BFA systems
safe thistle
the problem buffing tc is wee will become too strong in aoe with revenge already doing aoe dmg
strong forum
Do 2, then after they're done the other 2
distant crystal
azerite armor was better than tier in theory
strong forum
The problem with buffing TC is unstoppable force
cinder storm
Then don't break all of them
Yeah, they don't care lol
dark lark
I hated acquiring said systems, but when you had it it was fun
distant crystal
acquisition was shit at first, and they needed to keep adding/tuning powers from it
strong forum
The talent is what's stopping TC
If the talent got removed they could easily buff TC again without going back to bfa playstyle
dark lark
Just my opinion but I liked Unstoppable Force more than running Ravager
strong forum
Yeah, they don't care lol
If they don't care they don't want to time the key
Simple as that..
urban portal
People stopped feeling crafting and opened their calculator
strong forum
^
dark lark
Even before calculating, anybody with half a brain could conclude that Codex is going to be bad for tanks that mitigate damage up front like Prot Warrior and Bear
And maybe feelycraft that squishier, higher self healing tanks like DK/DH would make better use of it
strong forum
Ultimately the downfall of codex is the lack of str/agi
urban portal
Clearly the top tanks didn’t really think about that
strong forum
Losing 6-7% of str is not worth it
urban portal
Yeah trinket would be much better with regular str
strong forum
If it had mainstat, boi, it would be great
waxen orbit
Oh shit hold up Nome got the theorycrafter role?
urban portal
I still think it would be competitive, not amazing
hazy edge
Which is exactly why RDM is going to curb stomp it next tier
dark lark
I don't know about now, but a couple months ago most high m+ prot warriors were just running double on use (aegis/scale) from what I was looking at; very few were running Codex
hazy edge
A better effect WITH str/agi
urban portal
There’s a LOT of logs with codex
safe thistle
anyway everyonebody gonna go get a OWS on fated
jagged pier
I don't know about now, but a couple months ago most high m+ prot warriors were ...
because a few months ago it was the start of the season
urban portal
It was very easy to find codex logs in m+
jagged pier
so ppl didnt have codex
dark lark
so ppl didnt have codex
fair point
urban portal
Yeah Rdm is just gonna be better
strong forum
Can't wait tbh
strong forum
Finally satisfying trinkets
safe thistle
rdm ?
safe thistle
ahhhhh that trinekt doesnt exist...... never saw it drop
strong forum
I still have my hc one
hazy edge
SoD has sooooooo many good trinkets
strong forum
Still does 300dps/hps
hazy edge
They actually did very well with them
urban portal
Nothing crazy for dps iirc
hazy edge
Aegis, OWS, RDM, Weave after the rework
agile pumice
252 gland gives more secondary than 278 elegy/soleah's lol
strong forum
Yeah...
urban portal
Both painsmith and soulrender for dps is like mid to good
hazy edge
Yeah Gland is crazy too
strong forum
239 gland already does
urban portal
Gland is sketch on tanks
strong forum
Not rly
safe thistle
gland ytou lose it below 50 while thers no penalty for the other
hazy edge
Gland is great for raids and decent for m+
strong forum
You'll never spend more than 1-2 globals below 50%
dark lark
I still have my hc one
Are you actually running the 239 version even in current high content?
strong forum
I only do meme content
But I would if I did
Actually no I have 272 scale and 278 soleah
strong forum
So if I were to run a defensive trinket it would be scale, but for normal keys I'd run soleah + rdm
dark lark
I wish I killed M Guardian more than once
safe thistle
ya my group sucked so they always wanted to skip cause they couldnt even do fatescribe rune Q.Q
dark lark
We just cba to kill Painsmith again
cinder storm
non raiders in shambles
dark lark
Which makes <:sense:486961880888508428>
I see what you did there
shut summit
tried codex for a bit awhile back, wasnt a fan
cheat death saves so many random issues that can happen
waxen orbit
በትምህርት ቤት ያሉ ፌከሮች፣ ሁልጊዜ በፀጉር ቤት ውስጥ፣ “ቺፍ ኬፍ ስለዚህ ጉዳይ አይደለም፣ አለቃ ስለዚያ አይደለም” ይሉኛል ልጄ ጥቁር ደቀ መዝሙር ላምሮንና እነርሱን ሲበዳው እሱ፣ እሱ፣ ሰውየው አያስቀምጥም ይላሉ። በምንም ስራ ዝም ብላችሁ ዝም ብላችሁ ደደቦች አታውቁትም ሁላችሁም የእናት ፈላጭ ቆራጮች ስለ "ቺፍ ኬፍ አይመታም አለቃ ኪፍ ይህ አይደለም አለቃ ኪፍ የውሸት" ዝም በል ከዚ ሰው ጋር አትኖሩም ሰውዬው በጭንጫ እንደተያዘ ታውቃላችሁ ሰውዬው በፖሊሶች ላይ መተኮስ ከቂም በቀል ጀምሮ ሰው በሙከራ ላይ ነው እናቴ ፋከር መቼ እንደዚያ መበዳቱን አቁሙ አረመኔዎች። ውጪ ሌላ እናት ፈላጊ ስለ አለቃ ኪፍ ሲያወራ ከያዝኩኝ አህያቸዉን እየደበደብኩኝ ነዉ ከአሁን በኋላ እየተጫወትኩ አልጫወትኩም እወቅ ወንዶች ከሊል ሪሴ እና ከነሱ ጋር ይንከባለሉ
Oh shit
Wrong server
waxen orbit
I may have just placed an ancient hex on this channel
waxen orbit
whats the right server
Was aiming for #beast-mastery
sick sentinel
dawn canyon
🙏
waxen orbit
The prophet speaks
orchid mural
So, is it normal to be absolutely shit on by a prot paladin in dps on H Rygelon? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/fnamA38vt2bJr1VX/#fight=30 I'm raid lead, so my attention is not soley focused on my own play. i typically parse 80 - 90, and this was my first kill. I just don't see how I have a hope of catching my co-tank. Thoughts?
cinder storm
execute?
lofty widget
press your buttons, dont use outburst on tc
cinder storm
I don't see a single execute
jagged pier
pressing execute would help
jagged pier
i mean your blocked hits are aweful as well
chrome falcon
as would pressing BV more than 5 times in 5:30
8 outbursts spent on TC is also bad
strong forum
Could use a bit more of everything
Barely intervened
Only charged a few times
You only had 37% uptime on banner
When it should be above 95%
safe thistle
wow 10k dtps
safe thistle
it seems very high though for heroic no ?
jagged pier
no
safe thistle
i was at 8k and i dont play that well either
orchid mural
as would pressing BV more than 5 times in 5:30
Sorry, BV = ? drawing a blank. Sorry guys, thanks for the feedback, loving it.
strong forum
Booming voice - Demo shout
You wanna send that on CD for the dmg increase and rage gen
chrome falcon
booming voice turns demo shout into a dps CD
press that shit every time it's up pretty much
distant crystal
but dump rage before you press it
orchid mural
k. any suggestions for a parse like this: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/fnamA38vt2bJr1VX/#fight=14&view=rankings
distant crystal
looks fine, is there a parsewhore legendary ppl run for raid
gotta imagine reprisal isn't the move if you're trying to parse right
strong forum
It is.
orchid mural
No, i want to survive first, and then dps. so not a whore parse
strong forum
Reprisal is our best dps legendary
distant crystal
seems like you're doing it
strong forum
If signet worked with Ravager, it would probably a different story, but other than that nothing gets even close to reprisal
safe thistle
seismic is better for aoe no ?
strong forum
How many times do you have consistent 3+ target cleave
safe thistle
in raid only first boss but not whole fight
strong forum
k. any suggestions for a parse like this: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/f...
Same story, 0 intervenes, barely any charges, 0 executes
safe thistle
he should use the wall
strong forum
No
While it is more efficient to use the wall than reprisal if you're never gonna charge and intervene
safe thistle
some ppl just dont wanna put the extra effort for chargeweaving
strong forum
You're intentionally lowering your output and defensive capabilities because you don't wanna play properly
safe thistle
maybe they dont like the charge/intervene playstyle but though reprisal was still the goto
orchid mural
I like the idea of the charge weaving, i'm just looking for the brutal honest tips to improve the next level of play. my ego just took a hit lol, but this is the way it works. 3k .io doesn't mean crap if there's a better way to play!
urban portal
seismic is better for aoe no ?
It’s actually not bad on prototype
There are some top logs with it
strong forum
I like the idea of the charge weaving, i'm just looking for the brutal honest ti...
My easiest tip would just be, go hit a training dummy
And try to maintain banner over 2 minutes
Just keep at it
orchid mural
Yes, prot war in M+
strong forum
If you can manage to keep up Banner for that long you're basically playing correctly
dark lark
You have to be more creative with chargeweaving in raid than you would in m+
M+ you can just shockwave and run out
urban portal
Raid tanking (especially on heroic) is much easier than m+ tanking
So I’m actually very surprised
safe thistle
its not the same
strong forum
Charge weave, use your CDs effectively, use your outbursts on SS primarily, but don't hold the procs for longer than like 2 gcds, if you can't get an SS proc, just use out on TC
orchid mural
i find raid tanking to be more specific, and m+ much more flexible. i am more at home in M+
strong forum
And pump excess rage into IP
safe thistle
in m+ your forced to charge every pack or allowed easily to do so
orchid mural
correct. in raid i feel i need to be static.
safe thistle
but if your not tanking you can leap away charge back or just back pedal 8 yards
strong forum
Just need to find the timings where bosses will be stationary, or non lethal, before taunting a boss
And literally use intervene on CD on a nearby target
Just send it
dark lark
I believe for Skolex specifically you can safely run straight backwards and charge back in and still be within his melee range. Think that was said in this channel
Just don't intervene your co-tank 😄
strong forum
on halondrus you can easily run back and charge anytime he casts the lightshatter beam
just walk back 
dark lark
Imagine doing mechanics for your raid
strong forum
i only did balls in p3
dark lark
Charge weave, use your CDs effectively, use your outbursts on SS primarily, but ...
but don't hold the procs for longer than like 2 gcds, if you can't get an SS proc, just use out on TC
TIL, thanks. Sometimes feels really awful holding onto Outburst waiting for SS to come back
pallid quiver
also, blast it on TC if you're getting close to overwriting your outburst due to spending that much rage
better to have 1 TC outburst and 1 SS than 1 SS and just a wasted outburst
strong forum
^
potent anvil
When you do a triple giga pull on a 19 and healer proceeds with "why?" after we wipe because he spent more time dps'ing than healing. 
dark lark
In the healer's defense, I would be trying to pad dps too
cinder storm
That looks about right on pugs
minor helm
Sorry pummel is on gcd
potent anvil
Monk kicking curses when we have decurses 
ocean yoke
That looks about right on pugs
idk looks like more than usual for pugs
dawn canyon
costs a global to decurse
mighty valley
you act like the mage would actually decurse
minor helm
costs a global to decurse
Yeah but healers problem
cinder storm
You guys act like the mage knows they can decurse
dawn canyon
rn im decurse cage
minor helm
Or ranged problem
dawn canyon
so i appreciate it kicked
potent anvil
Still wonder why some 270+ ilvl pugs are doing last season dps numbers.
cinder storm
They pick a meta spec, they get invited because they are meta, and they are carried by other people
craggy pilot
narrow fog
Seeing this is a strong reason to roll dps
urban portal
its HC
theres no best
less the better though
so less junk flying around
@craggy pilot
narrow fog
Just so I am not tanking while someone is jerking off in the back.
Also, why don't some people bind their interrupt on mouse?
It's literally one of the few timing skills you can do in WoW, having it on a button you can reach in the shortest time seems smart...
ocean yoke
ive always liked ` for mine, right by movement keys and easy to reach
dark lark
Mine's bound to Q, pretty easy to reach
strong forum
Sorry pummel is on gcd
kicks arent on gcd
narrow fog
Mine's bound to Q, pretty easy to reach
Let's do a reaction time test, you will see that mouse is faster
livid shard
Hey guys quick question:
We progressed Skrollex mythic and I was struggling with the tank hits. Do you have any suggestions or example logs especially regarding the mitigation rotation?
I am currently trying to have my baseline up and cycle through Demo/Sw/SR etc. but im feeling like this isn't cutting it :/
dark lark
Let's do a reaction time test, you will see that mouse is faster
I mean, maybe, but in what world do you need to insta kick within 0.1 seconds?
strong forum
you have SW for every 2nd rend
minor helm
kicks arent on gcd
strong forum
other ones you can cover with demo shout and ip
cinder storm
kicks have mental gcd
jagged pier
SR and IP and demo is legit enough
narrow fog
I mean, maybe, but in what world do you need to insta kick within 0.1 seconds?
True. But just saying
narrow fog
Also, in a m+ you have more than 1 mob
So sometimes tabbing + kicking needs to happen very fast
strong forum
i have @mouseover kick and also im very proficient with tab kicking
dark lark
I either directly target the mob that needs to be kicked, or I set a focus target with a mouseover macro before pulling
cinder storm
can always setfocustarget, I also use mouseover
dark lark
Yeah, setting focus and having a separate focus kick keybind is a habit from my giga arena days
And by giga arena that means 1800 [as in eighteenhundred (as in one thousand eight hundred)]
dark lark
Like bear? That would be nice
I know a bear who uses Skull Bash purely as a gap closer
I want to shoot him
cinder storm
5Head
robust rover
Is there any reason to take my "The Wall" to 292? I haven't used it all 9.2 Patch and I'm not even sure if there are any heroic raid bosses I might use it on. Thoughts?
dawn canyon
no need
robust rover
Thanks
strong forum
my wall is still 235
wild hemlock
spicy skyhold day my lord
shut summit
jagged pier
ember tangle
you guys know what causes halondrus to cast beam back to back instead of casting a lance in between?
ember tangle
he only does it sometimes though
ember tangle
90% of the time more or less, taunting when the beam hits has been fine for us though
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/CxfqwBN7RPYLTKcv#fight=4&hostility=1&source=89&type=casts&ability=360977 cast 1 ends 0.03 seconds before cast 2 starts
wild hemlock
yo fat dungeon nerfs lets go
ember tangle
most of the times the earthbreaker missiles is between the 2 casts
strong forum
spell Q be like that
ember tangle
so moral of story is taunt during cast i guess
strong forum
ya always
as soon as he casts lightshatter on cotank, thats your Queue to taunt
or the queue for your cotank to taunt off of you, whoever has boss
also the perfect time to throw in a cheeky charge
especially with earthbreaker in the mix, you can use the beam + earthbreaker to walk back, drop off the breaker and charge back to boss all in 1 go
ember tangle
ya i just gotta get used to doing that instead of taunting on the WA queue
dark lark
Boss alerts for taunting are almost always wrong
Dbm, bigwigs, was
I just use the WA to keep track of the number of stacks on co tank and that's it
The taunt now alert on Skolex is infamously bad
strong forum
i recommend bigwigs
cuz it doesn tell you what to do
it just tells you what mechanics will happen
cinder storm
Those dungeons changes are going to make those chokepoints cozy now
urban portal
Dbm is bis for heroic
median tulip
We're almost done with the expansion and they have finally fixed the bunnies on Grand Proctor Beryllia 🤣
cinder storm
@median tulip bunnies?
median tulip
<@220649471804047360> bunnies?
The swirlies on Beryilla work by invisible bunnies
Lots of boss mechanics do
cinder storm
Interesting, ty for the share
limber temple
Question about Jailer and his Defile ability. Can we Heroic Leap over it without triggering it?
strong forum
heroic leap does have some verticality to it
you can test on a wipe call i guess?
but i wouldnt bet on it working
limber temple
Yeah, already done the test I think. I jumped over it but someone else was standing close so we are trying to work out who caused the wipe.
sweet summit
i think you can jump-leap it
echo egret
Warcraftlogs, M+ run :
Is there any way to show overall what % of enemy spellcasts were stopped (kick, stun gear, etc) ?
sweet summit
emphasis on the think
sweet summit
Warcraftlogs, M+ run :
Is there any way to show overall what % of enemy spellcas...
in the interrupts section kinda
lime urchin
wut
mighty valley
One of my friends asked about the backfire thing, and guildies told them it had never happened so far
Then their first two times they used the bres, it killed them
urban portal
a lot of people told me that it doesnt backfire ever during a key
blazing condor
idk if ive ever seen it happen lmao
mighty valley
strong forum
atleast from my experience
mighty valley
Wow they're still nerfing m+
strong forum
it can consume the item, or not
or it can just kill you, which happens extremely rarely
onyx matrix
this week is good to us ❤️
north rampart
Is there any reason to take my "The Wall" to 292? I haven't used it all 9.2 Pat...
reprisal in raid now too 100%?
hearty perch
Hii, I gotcha your information and your concept, but why do top tanks on raider.io use it?
strong forum
Misinformation mostly
Blindly picking it without actually confirming if its good for them or not
strong forum
The trinket doesn't provide any good benefits for any tank other than vdh, and in some niche cases for bdk
chrome falcon
so they assume it's good for us
strong forum
It's bad for monk, bear, pally and warri
Anybody of those classes who plays it, is wrong in doing so
sly pike
Whats everyone binding Intervene with ? i need to be casting it more , would a mouse over macro be best maybe ? looking for some input , thanks in advance
hearty perch
Nice, undestood. TY all!
So now, thinking about defensive, and only in dungeon drops, would you choose which trinket to pair with the Blood-Spattered Scale?
chrome falcon
but most of the times i just hit the button and it's macro'd to a random melee/co-tank
don't have to move the mouse, just press the button and get the benefits
less effort
strong forum
Soleahs
Bis m+ trinkets are soleahs + scale
Defensively speaking
Afe is also really good for haste
Phial and sack of terror are good dps options
hearty perch
Whats everyone binding Intervene with ? i need to be casting it more , would a m...
I use addon clique and mouse over as the Nomeratur commented . To easy use intervene. Some times with a lot of adds, It's hard to use mouse over.
viral flume
Bis m+ trinkets are soleahs + scale
Is mythic ows better than 278 soleahs?
primal sentinel
Is mythic ows better than 278 soleahs?
yes it is
sweet summit
if you can maintain the haste buff it is
late geyser
Returning from a 10 year break, played Prot Warrior a ton late BC-end of Mist. Looking to find what the new addons are, rotations, everything has changed so much idk where to even start anymore lol. Any help or advice would be appreciated, and if this isn't the right place for the request please let me know!
mellow bridge
Read the wowhead guide
It's a very good introduction to prot warr
For addons you'll mostly need a bossmod like dbm or bigwigs and weakaura
Change your UI so that you can keep proper track of your spells, buffs and debuffs
late geyser
Read the wowhead guide
thanks for the feedback! I believe that's how I found this was from the wowhead guide
pallid quiver
There's a lot more involved in maintaining Prot Warrior than in early times in addition to all the borrowed power systems, so depending on where you're at, you'll want to revisit guides and resources from time to time
The faster you can manage to get your tier set, as well, the better your life will be as a whole
late geyser
i just hit 60 last night so I need to get ready for the good stuff soon.
rugged mural
If we do a 15 PF as a Necro, are we guaranteed a 265 covenant conduit? I've been NF and giving Necro another try but my conduit is only 226 or similar atm
shell shale
Is there anyway to use gavel as a prot warrior. Like monks did with the nine staff?
sweet summit
u can't unequip it so would not recommend
shell shale
lol even with that macro thing where you equip offhand first thing monks abused?
sweet summit
you can try i guess? but i doubt it works
hazy edge
It does work, but only once and you can't re-equip gavel after. It's also not worth it for prot war.
The only specs it's actually worth it for are guardian, feral, hpal, and resto sham
shell shale
getting the gavel buff once isnt worth?
hazy edge
You lose out on 1 minute worth of shield slams
and shield blocks
which is a lot of rage and damage
shell shale
oh you dont keept hte buff?
hazy edge
Nope
shell shale
ah yeah that makes sense then
urban portal
oh you dont keept hte buff?
Even ww don’t keep it
You use it for 30 seconds and swap off later
hazy edge
Fairly quickly
cinder nova
How slow is it if I can fit in 4 executes
I feel like I should get 1, tops, if I'm lucky.
viral flume
How slow is it if I can fit in 4 executes
Ones that line up with dps cds should die before any puddles spawn. Ones that don't usually drop 1 set of puddles, and then the annoying ones that happen during halos..well they die when they die
That's how it was for us, at least
ocean yoke
about the same for us as ravvs said, definitely worth making sure to call for dps to swap so they dont zug zug tunnel on boss and not swap
dps love zug zug tunneling
hardy ridge
does goblin jump still lock you out of leap
nova rover
So.. whats a solid trinket outside of scale if not Soleha's?
urban portal
Scale Soleahs elegy phial
nova rover
Unless Im tierd and misreading that
Yep.... I misread and this is why the world has coffee
urban portal
jagged pier
Also we found out yesterday that the codex dr is applied after everything incliding IP so at actual max for us its a 2% DR
cerulean wyvern
I feel like I should get 1, tops, if I'm lucky.
My group kills the orb before any swirls go out a lot of times.
hollow gull
old warrior soul 246 (hc) still worth it over soleas 272? for m+ i mean
strong forum
Tough call
In alot of keys youll naturally drop ows
And the 30 Str or however much it is has alot of worth to it aswell
lime urchin
Use ows and soleas!
onyx vessel
Some keys like streets keeping up anything is rough
hollow gull
21 gambit overall codex damage ( reflected the same in hps overall )
20 spires scale damage
strong forum
Yeah that's horrid
240dps from a trinket without strength
Is still -460 dps from codex
hollow gull
used scaled practically on cd and i expected much more.. yes the strength gained its great but i felt much more vulnerable without codex.. just my impression
jagged pier
isnt that like 1 use of scale on 5 targets that daamage?
i swear 278 hits for that much
strong forum
Codex needs to hit 700dps/hps to be decent
Before that it's just a straight up loss
sleek current
On average, it reflects about 400k of damage per run for me. Right now, that seems to have a bigger overall worth for me. I also have an aversion to having to press my trinket for it to do anything. 😂
strong forum
It might reflect 400k dmg, but you have to keep in mind that you're losing 6-7% of your Str by doing so
Which means you're effectively losing 600-700dps simply because the trinket doesn't have strength...
Unless codex does 7% of your overall dmg, it does nothing
sleek current
In my last key it did 398 DPS, ToP +17. It's not too bad. I know I could be getting more but, it's hard to say bye to that DR.
4.9% of my overall.
strong forum
So still a loss of 2%
And getting that much out of a 17 means there's something seriously fucky going on
sleek current
To be honest, I'm not even running Necrolord yet... Haha.
Overall DPS was 8.1k in the ToP run.
hollow gull
the problem is the more u block and the more u absorb the less it reflect.. that's why on bdk that shit shines
hollow gull
To be honest, I'm not even running Necrolord yet... Haha.
Overall DPS was 8.1k ...
u definitively should
jagged pier
just remeber as well the better you play the less codex will do
so if its doing "alot" for u
your arent playing the best
sleek current
I'm planning on swapping over this weekend.
64% uptime on IP and 47% on SB. I think I need to be intervening more often but, I have 20 casts of SW.
jagged pier
please dont look at over all uptime of IP or SB its useless information
- we literally dont care how often IP is up as it gets eaten withing like 1 second
- we only care about effective block time
thats only viewable in logs
sleek current
64% uptimes means it was an active buff for 64% of the dungeons combat. So, it definitely wasn't getting eaten in 1 second.
I understand what you're saying though.
It's a flat 55% damage reduction so, I'm never not going to say no to it. Regularly finishing runs with 3 mil healing on IP alone. I don't think IP gets enough credit. 😕
strong forum
That's a misunderstanding
jagged pier
☝️
strong forum
I have 90% uptime on IP but it's not something we actively care about maximising
I also have 87% uptime im SB but again, we don't care about that
IP is a defensive rage dump, we use it to make use of the massive amount of rage we gain
It just absorbing dmg through the sheer spamming of it is a nice benefit
But on a cast per cast basis IP is fundamentally weak
It's only good cuz we spam it so much
Your play is easier to evaluate with logs cuz we can actually see how much of dmg you actually blocked and how often you used your spells
Just looking at uptime or HPS doesn't tell a good story
sleek current
I wasn't really looking for an evaluation. That said thank you for the information.
How are you maintaining 90% uptime on IP and 87% on SB together?
sleek current
Damn that intervene weak aura
It's an easy one to make but, I'm sure if you search wago.io for intervene it'll be easy to find.
onyx vessel
I was doing better in the 15 streets i was doing
Then i hut revenge to hard rage starved myself died to 1st boss
To melee hits
strong forum
Could you have intervened? Leap+charge? Sw? LS?
onyx vessel
Just being a dumbass
strong forum
But yeah, don't starve yourself out of rage when you need to use SB soon
onyx vessel
Probably had wall up
onyx matrix
Hihihihi!
A question to all of you prot warriors out there, what are your hopes about the talent tree revamp and hopes for what kind of talents we will have?
Feel free to discuss
blazing stump
How do you guys log m+ runs? im having issues with damage (mine is low and thunderclap is my highest dmg), rage management issues (sometimes always capped, soemtimes 0), then banner uptime is another issue aswell. I got the opener correct but the rotation/priority afterwards i fuck up at some point.
sleek current
hollow gull
Share?
should be this one https://wago.io/lZIDn9Nzu
blazing stump
https://www.wowhead.com/how-to-use-warcraft-logs-to-improve-character-performanc...
Thanks!
Is warcraft logs pc intensive? i got a potato pc
sleek current
Not that I've ever noticed but, I spend a lot of money on my computer so... I don't have a good base. As an IT Technician IRL, I would say no.
For some quick advice though that might help next time. What covenant and legendary are you using? Do you have 4 set?
blazing stump
Reprisal, unity and yes 4 pc set also necro r80. I mostly copy stuff of top 10 global players in specific classes off raider.io and learned stuff through icy veins/wowhead
Using luxthos prot warr wa so it tracks ignore pain, shield block, etc i think im not utilizing outburst properly
sleek current
TC is likely high because you're burning outburst stacks on it instead of Shield Slam.
Get some logs and these guys can take a deeper look.
jagged pier
How do you guys log m+ runs? im having issues with damage (mine is low and thund...
well your pressing TC to much and using outburst on it can literally tell you that from this Screenshot
blazing stump
Yeah its a bad habit, last time i was prot warr was 2007 tbc
What scenario should i only be using thunderclap? to get initial aggro from multiple mobs and what else?
jagged pier
u still want to use it on cd when u can for the rage gen
but u want to avoid using outburst with it
not all the time but mostly
and even tho u still want press it on cd
it is our lowest prio button
blazing stump
Also my apm is low, just learned a bit late when i got 4 pc that current meta for prot warr requires high apm
jagged pier
it wasnt the 4pc
blazing stump
blazing stump
True
I've been using intervene on cd for reprisal but should i be using it to save allies for dr?
jagged pier
no
sleek current
Only if the healer asks in my opinion.
I'm currently running with a Monk so I use a focus macro to intervene on CD to the healer. It'll make life easy for you.
If I'm not with my usual Monk. I focus a Melee DPS.
blazing stump
Ok ill try to upload a log or two within the week, thanks for the tips and replies so far guys, very constructive and appreciated.
strong forum
Stone
last spindle
Thanks
nom stop being orange
strong forum
You can't just tell people to stop being orange
round vortex
Shield from vigilant guardian - dogshit?
thorny stone
What are the best trinkets for doing 20s m+ if we want to do the most damage? I'm running phial+soleah atm
jagged pier
its our lowest prio
round cliff
surely not below just pressing revenge unbuffed
jagged pier
i havent never run scale
blazing condor
if you dont need the defensive from scale
jagged pier
🤷
thorny stone
and go double damage?
I don't feel like defensive trinkets are needed on 20s
blazing condor
in that case yeah
jagged pier
they arent needed
jagged pier
we are talking about 20s
personally i havent run defensive trinkets and ive done 21s
i dont push keys
would i run defensive trinkets in 24s
maybe
i dunno
trim bay
man i get so confused
jagged pier
he literally asked about damage trinkets in 20s
not 24s
so talking about 24s is fucking pointless
trim bay
i said say
blazing condor
if you can live it without inting for anyone else then its fine
trim bay
and how is talking about 24s pointless
thorny stone
man i get so confused
I asked about 20s because I know from experience that i can survive without them, so, if im already running DPS trinkets I want to equip the best ones
I would change to defensive ones the moment I get my ass handed to me, depending on my skill that could be 15s, 20s, 25s
The only way to know it's to do the m+ and see how much damage you take
thorny stone
I know I can go phial+sack as I usually go with phial+opc/soleah
But I wouldn't recommend let's say our boy yoggi to go offensive trinkets on a 20
blazing condor
it does damage for a defensive trinket
it does not do damage for an offensive trinket
sick sentinel
scale is a nice defensive trinket, has alot of things going for it but dps not one of them
good is it hits multiple nearby targets, not a bad option after charge pack, also good is it gives a 63,609 bubble at 278ilvl, like, 55-60% of my unbuffed in oribos hp (me 273)
thorny stone
i havent equipped a scale since S1
wild hemlock
decanter anima emitter gang
cobalt seal
I haven't used a shield since s1
sick sentinel
i don't have proof that this happened, but i got a 278 scale, and then ran DOS and then another 265 one dropped and i was able to trade it to a monk, who i assume may have been interested in tanking because he didn't stop to think about trading it
should have gone bought lottery
wild hemlock
please new talent trees every friday
strong forum
They'll save the best for last
jagged pier
please new talent trees every friday
cobalt seal
They'll save the best for last
evoker?
empty path
guys in sepulcher on Dausegne, can be deflected disintegration halo initial hit with SR ?
empty path
sad, but thanks xd
sick sentinel
Me watchin blizz unravel the worst warrior talent tree to ever exist
you mean fury?
blazing condor
Jakey ”no bugs bunny gif” jakeyson
round cliff
is there a good intervene macro thatll ONLY cast on mouseover and not change my cursor to the "pick a target" cursor if i miss my click
jagged pier
Jakey ”no bugs bunny gif” jakeyson
strong forum
#showtooltip Charge
/cast [@mouseover, exists, help, nodead] Intervene
/cast [exists, nodead, harm] Charge
If you don't have a friendly on your cursor and not an enemy selected nothing happens
round cliff
rad ty
strong forum
There are some parameters that are redundant but I'm too lazy to figure out which ones 
I think the nodead is redundant but w/e
sick sentinel
honestly, i just do focus intervene now on some good dps taht don't stand in shit
usually a melee
cobalt seal
Then you lose the value of the conduit
strong forum
Mouseover is more flexible, especially for safeguard so I just default to that
blazing condor
I just intervene a party frame or spam click on the ads were fighting and then press party frame cus it doesnt work
sick sentinel
@focus intervene means i only have to worry about is player in range and then hit the button
jagged pier
just use focus frame
blazing condor
Focus these
jagged pier
dn?
sick sentinel
yeah, just pick a mlee dps, explain to them if you need to and then focus them, macro focus intervena nd then like the dual charge/intervene macro on mouseover
blazing condor
Deku nuts
blazing condor
Gotem
cobalt seal
yeah, just pick a mlee dps, explain to them if you need to and then focus them, ...
And then completly waste safeguard
sick sentinel
not me?
crimson furnace
i am going to change talent to PUNISH, fuck this game, I am doing it!!!!
it sounds cool
it feels cool
i want to be cool
sick sentinel
thats because
sick sentinel
it punishes you the plater
jagged pier
it isnt cool or feel cool
sick sentinel
hang on
chrome falcon
that's your choice
sick sentinel
you after playing punish
crimson furnace
@sick sentinel master share
blazing condor
But i used to play with stupid premades and it saved them enough times that i kept playing it
blazing condor
I ran 3e2p1f
sick sentinel
whatever thatis sure cool
blazing condor
Aka i have reduced sw time
empty path
who the fuck runs safeguard
😉
blazing condor
Get TC’d, cringe SF
jagged pier
okay i literally intervene to keep SB up not to give DR to a melee
for no reason
rather have rally be a better LS and have an extra personal
👍
sick sentinel
20% of 270k comet storm that mage got healed through and still died probably won't save him tho
blazing condor
If you intervene someone during comet storm then u inting lmao
More like keeping your dps from dying when they get passed the bomb back for the second time on Dealer in DOS
jagged pier
u should be stacked on cometstorm
sick sentinel
i tell my groups to run away from eachothers paths for that
as long as they arent on the path of me or others, all good
blazing condor
u should be stacked on cometstorm
Doubt a mage would stack melee tho
jagged pier
well no but melee should stack and rotate
blazing condor
Yup
strong forum
For average keys it's w/e
sick sentinel
sure, but i've found in t the more pepega groups stacking is a 1 way ticket to someone getting 1 shot rather than make 3rd boss spires balls easier
strong forum
In higher keys I'd strongly urge to make use of it however
sick sentinel
if someone in group you suspect is full on pepega do boss as intended 4head strat is my tip
they come too early and get clipped by the cleave stomp or get themselves our group hit, not worth.
wild hemlock
im the pepega
i tried live logging m+ and get "there are no logs associated with this. I was logging through curse app. help me get roasted
i closed the report when done etc
wild hemlock
why no details
strong forum
just have to upload it with the correct tool
the log is on your PC
you just have to upload the log
wild hemlock
hmmmm i thought i did
strong forum
live logging only means it uploads the log as it happens
wild hemlock
i more or less meant trying to log m+ keys
i just called it live logging
so i can see rage wasted and blocked hits
strong forum
yes but thats indepandant from the tool youre using to upload the log!
wild hemlock
and my ass intervene use
strong forum
if you enabled combat logging ingame
the data isnt gone
theyre saved locally on your PC
wild hemlock
kk ill look when home
strong forum
all you did was trying to upload logs the wrong way
strong forum
unless ofc, you didnt even enable advanced combat logging ingame
strong forum
yeah then it doesnt work
gotta do that under system settings
if you didnt do that then yeah you didnt log anything
sick sentinel
i tried live logging m+ and get "there are no logs associated with this. I was l...
use logger head on curse, automatically seperates each key you run
you go by the time you logged off that day if there are multiple things for that day, because it collects the data at whenever you log out
modern brook
Never log, just play bad then complain your class sucks
Maybe then we get buffs
:D
strong forum
So, just like the current R1 pwar
Doesn't log, complains that pwar is bad, still runs codex
modern brook
Smh if it works for top players why won't it work for me I say at 67% verse
urban portal
Top players don’t mean they care about the math
Tanks in particular since it’s very hard to wuantify some things
Codex isn’t one of them
sick sentinel
So, just like the current R1 pwar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwws2u3v-QY we don't exist though
strong forum
i refuse
sweet summit
not clicking that
sick sentinel
he heard us cuz its the very first point of the video, goes directly to tank, and then protwarrior and ignore pwar even exists he says
strong forum
just like me with this video
oblique garnet
@strong forum guide when
jagged pier
☝️
toxic pewter
25 of the top 50 prot warriors currently using show of force at this time
toxic pewter
17 of 50 using codex
toxic pewter
https://tenor.com/view/cat-crazy-cat-keyboard-cat-fast-gif-5753018
that prot warr in action right there
jagged pier
25 of the top 50 prot warriors currently using show of force at this time
good for them
toxic pewter
Going to send each of them an in game mail
asking them why they doin that on tyran week
Ill let you know responses
toxic pewter
nice
strong forum
coulda been more if not for trolling that 1 shard pull
sweet summit
🤏
strong forum
i didnt get any direct healing lmao
strong forum
i didnt except first boss and 2nd shard cuz people started inting 
cobalt seal
So, just like the current R1 pwar
When are you getting a new r1 pwar then
cobalt seal
i didnt except first boss and 2nd shard cuz people started inting <:seanbee:8368...
Hey hey
Venthyr died
urban portal
Imagine not being a lowlifer grinding 40 hours of wow a week at a dark pc bang
jagged pier
When are you getting a new r1 pwar then
if someone finds me a group
and the will to do it
urban portal
Tank wise, I feel like most tanks are equally good after 27 or so in terms of skill level
The rest is in planning
Same with dps
cobalt seal
Not really
wild hemlock
damn highest dps ive gotten is 12 something
alpine shard
i did 7.6k in a 16 top
are you proud
i have no idea what im doing :D
also ilvl 226 weapon
chrome falcon
i mean if you have literally no idea what you're doing 7.6k isn't wildly offensively terrible
it's just regular bad
sick sentinel
logs 7.6k or details 7.6k overall being reset before doing the dungeon
chrome falcon
you can post logs if you want
alpine shard
details 7.6k at the end of the dungeon
sick sentinel
cuz, in logs, 7.6 is more like, what, 8.9-9.4kdps on details
alpine shard
and i dont think posting logs is really useful for me right now, i need to understand what im doing in the first place before i can learn what im doing wrong
sick sentinel
yeah, needs work then, because i do that much dps and then this chat yells at me for it
alpine shard
i mean this is the first time i tanked since cata
wild hemlock
and i dont think posting logs is really useful for me right now, i need to under...
dont overcap range, charge, intervene, smash buttons
rage
like literally smash buttons
sick sentinel
UNREAL TOURNAMENT SPIEL STARTEN THE GAME
cinder storm
if this is the first time you are tanking since cata, keep practicing until you hit a wall
alpine shard
a shield wall? Kappa
sick sentinel
if you link us to your character or name and server we can fish up a bunch of detail about your character most likely
jagged pier
:Sadge:
west kayak
My group is pretty chill and laid back for running keys, +15-+17, and I am trying to eek out as much dps as possible to help out.
blazing condor
bye
sick sentinel
the new setup for maxim gameplay has been set
i do not understand how you can have victory without impending VICTORY
you take it, you've already won, thats how powerful it is
west kayak
For that level of keys should I run BSC over BV?
sweet summit
are you proud
very proud of u
cinder storm
either is fine
jagged pier
For that level of keys should I run BSC over BV?
prefernce
waxen orbit
urban portal
Do it
undone verge
As a kultiran prot warrior I never use that button
toxic pewter
As a kultiran prot warrior I never use that button
Oh… I see..
wild hemlock
stoneform op
minor helm
That's hardly bannable on Twitter
undone verge
Stoneform op but kultiran passive still good
minor helm
Take it from me I've been banned on Twitter enough
toxic pewter
Kick is literally off the gcd… that is one poor dpser
undone verge
Usually does about 2% healing overall for me
toxic pewter
Yikes
toxic pewter
Usually does about 2% healing overall for me
Not bad but Vulpera still the best defensive prot warr race
Other than I guess dwarf perhaps
toxic pewter
Nose for trouble. First hit from every mob is lessened by 5% of your max health
wild hemlock
That's hardly bannable on Twitter
i got banned on insta for calling someone a mongo
undone verge
That’s pretty damn good lol
toxic pewter
Ends up healing for like a shit ton over the course of a dungeon
minor helm
i got banned on insta for calling someone a mongo
Yeah Instagram and Twitter aren't the same weirdly tho
wild hemlock
yeah i know just saying lol
minor helm
Instas tos is much stricter
toxic pewter
Haymaker seems so fun though lmao
minor helm
And they kinda ban happy
toxic pewter
I want to lynch people off the map
sweet summit
can u block while casting it
undone verge
It’s good for guardian when the dumbass add steps slightly inside the circle
toxic pewter
I don’t have it unlocked
sweet summit
unfort
toxic pewter
It’s the last race I need
undone verge
But that’s like the only situation I’ve found
minor helm
safe thistle
Let's talk about defensive trinket are a clutch for bad play.
urban portal
Let’s talk about offensive trinkets are a crutch for bad rotation
urban portal
Seriously though offensive trinkets linearly reduces time spent in the dungeon in the most obvious way
However you can argue that for every global the healer isn’t putting on you, he can put onto the enemy
safe thistle
str is still a defensive stat too
urban portal
Both offensive and defensive trinkets give the same str at the same Ilvl
safe thistle
i believe it shouldnt be the case trinket should hve different amount at same ivlv depending of the proc they give so that you can choise a good proc or str what you think
urban portal
No opinion
I can see an argument either way
Though the lack of strength has baited many people into using codex
To the point that the dks had to write a program to tell people it’s bad
safe thistle
yah but it was only good for dk/dh
deft hinge
100 strength is nothing this exp
safe thistle
for a warrior codex is shit
hazy edge
wym 100 str is almost 5% dps
urban portal
It was worse than decanter 80% of the time
safe thistle
you dont run codex for damage but for the overal dmg/absorb
urban portal
The absorb also blows compared to say scale
hazy edge
50% uptime on a random 10% dr is very unreliable
safe thistle
it got nerfed more
deft hinge
then why dont go emeni and get 700 strength when banner, cause its not worth
hazy edge
nah it's almost back to the 10% again
oh yeah for pwar it's 2%
forgot which disc I was in lol
jagged pier
☝️
safe thistle
a warrior with codex is sad....
jagged pier
very sad
hazy edge
been having this convo like 5 times a day in like 10 different discords
deft hinge
emeni gives 700 str
jagged pier
not really
safe thistle
not 700 str
jagged pier
the buff is never up
blazing condor
i asked in tattmans chat what it did for him and it was like 300dps and 5% of his healing in a 28 SD
urban portal
its 5% str with a 16% uptime
safe thistle
dk start running OPC
deft hinge
tatt said he had awesome ss and exec with it
urban portal
heres some quick math
this is what happens if you lose 98 str
lets say you replaced a 252 scale with codex instead, you would lose this much dps
sick sentinel
i found someones "adds DBZ sounds for WW monk" weak aura on wago
safe thistle
i still have ows and aegis no luck on trinket drop so still running 252
sick sentinel
have to find some better sound effects to use with weakauras, some are a bit jarring or something is right word there
deft hinge
sound packs are so bad, some are no volume, some good
urban portal
@safe thistle for example, you are losing almost 200 dps according to the BDK tool
if you use codex over decanter (which is a very mediocre trinket)
and that doesnt take account of the defensive power you lose from the 100 str
jagged pier
been having this convo like 5 times a day in like 10 different discords <:sadge:...
we get is like 900 times a day 
ember token
anyone doing Jailer mythic and your DKs are 1 out of 5 times dead while jumping with bomb? Or our is special?
hazy edge
we get is like 900 times a day <:seramore:917663298869145640>
I had to deal with it in a healer discord
oblique garnet
I had to deal with it in a healer discord <:seramore:917663298869145640>
Codex is great : )
safe thistle
death advance doesnt trigger the blow-up ?
hazy edge
Codex is great : )
oblique garnet
<:seramore:917663298869145640>
Im ofc not referencing the tank trinket but the other one
safe thistle
necronomicron
oblique garnet
or do you mean the other other codex <:keks:936231610850897992>
Yep
strong forum
Take it from me I've been banned on Twitter enough
lol
strong forum
been having this convo like 5 times a day in like 10 different discords <:sadge:...
its pure pain
strong forum
interesting, if you pull with ravager and dont properly get in combat with the mob before its first tick, you miss out on 10 rage from it
so you only get 50 instead of 60 rage
blazing condor
if youre pulling a far pack with rav you can always HT or something
strong forum
you have to dmg the pack
oblique garnet
you have to dmg the pack
Does it count if you do charge->ravager?
strong forum
if you do it quickly yes
lemme see with HT
HT not quick enough
now charge-rav was still only 50
wtf
oblique garnet
now charge-rav was still only 50
is ravager even supposed to generate more than 50
strong forum
ya its supposed to gen 60