Stuff and forget some Basic stuff
#protection
cobalt seal
median tulip
cobalt seal
What
No
Literally nome said right side trait is really good
And thats te standard stuff
And you gonna link left side
median tulip
Viscous Trail is amazing
cobalt seal
So is right side trait
chrome falcon
you really want 1 finesse
the rally trait and the intervene trait
are both amazing
jagged pier
manuvers is busted
chrome falcon
for their specific use-cases
median tulip
manuvers is busted
So is VT; quite literally
cobalt seal
jagged pier
i dont know what to tell u the play has always been right side
cobalt seal
@jagged pier no point
chrome falcon
when do you actually need that slow to kite
cobalt seal
He is gonna die on that argu
median tulip
I've tried it, and I'll always take the control
chrome falcon
but
you already have a slow
and lea[
and shockwave
and 4 teammates
and you probably don't need to kite anyway
whereas that finesse conduit can very easily save lives
jagged pier
i dont know what left side does but its not as good as smoothing out a tone of damage
just saying
its stagger above 80% hp
chrome falcon
every like 30 seconds thunderclap makes a puddle on the ground that slows stuff
jagged pier
and as our hp barely moves
jagged pier
its busted
cobalt seal
every like 30 seconds thunderclap makes a puddle on the ground that slows stuff
Thats it?
chrome falcon
🙂
cobalt seal
Sounds so bad lol
median tulip
It's 15 seconds of 70% slow, to all intents and purposes
chrome falcon
except it's not because you're kiting so they like
run out of the slow
because it's a very small area
median tulip
🤷♂️ I've been playing VT for months and am used to playing around it now. I started when I realised how the tooltip lies/is broken
cobalt seal
Why would you need a slow
chrome falcon
sure but you don't need to kite and the other option is a survivability increase AND gives you a better conduit
median tulip
Better than the 3rd Endurance? Nah
jagged pier
yes
cobalt seal
No point on continuing
jagged pier
our conduits dont do anything
cobalt seal
No matter what you said
chrome falcon
the third endurance is the worst endurance
median tulip
I'll accept "on a par", but in no way is it better
chrome falcon
the first finesse is the best finesse
cobalt seal
Its like talking to a wall
chrome falcon
and that's not even counting the extra benefit of the other conduit
jagged pier
well yer would have lost stallwart or unvering
chrome falcon
the main point is that viscous does almost literally nothing
and undulating is like
actually relevant DR
jagged pier
well from a quick skim of key logs they about the same obvs this is raid so different place
but like its all depends on how u play
if you gunna not be above 80% then sphre will do more
but u should be above 80% a lot of the time
robust rover
I don’t understand. Undulating just adds the healing back in damage done. So there is no net HPS. Sphere actually does heal. Right?
jagged pier
yes but it smooths the damage out liek stagger
which is the whole reason why ppl think monk is broken
chrome falcon
the point isn't really sphere vs undulating
the point is undulating+your best finesse
vs viscous (which does nothing) + your third best endurance
undulating is decent, and your best finesse is GREAT
median tulip
If Viscous does nothing then it's simply that you aren't playing around it
chrome falcon
viscous is crap, and your third best endurance is mediocre at best
no
i don't need to play around it
because kiting is pointless on this class
and if i have to kite, i can already do it with shockwave and leap
median tulip
and I don't need an irrelevant amount of stagger at a HP level where it's pointless
median tulip
If I wanted a finesse conduit that badly I would take it on the right path in the middle, not the one at the end
chrome falcon
you should do that then
but the point stands
you're a tank
undulating maneuvers makes you tankier
viscous trail doesn't
"playing around it" is just going to reduce your dps
median tulip
Whatever dude, you keep on doing it your way, I'll do it mine. I know which works better for me. It's not like I haven't tried it.
Fucking 40 lines of Rage over a conduit
median tulip
You are
median tulip
You aren't discussing it though, you're just blarghing because someone disagrees with your One True Way
chrome falcon
lmao what i've given very reasonable examples of why viscous is worse than undulating
i thought we were having an extremely normal conversation about which conduit was better
median tulip
My take on this is simple; UM is an irrelevant amount of stagger at the health level where it matters not at all
chrome falcon
it matters when you're 90% hp and you get hit by a 50k shadowcore
median tulip
UM is literally incapable of doing anything at a point where it is actually important
jagged pier
your whole point as a tank is to reduce the amount of damage u take regardless of hp lvl
chrome falcon
or minibosses
jagged pier
just for your info
median tulip
If you get hit by Shadowcore then you have bigger problems than UM
jagged pier
doesnt matter if your 100% or 1%
chrome falcon
stop raging jakey
jagged pier
u should smoothing and reducing as much damage as possible
like when i do a big pull im gunna press SW just after i group them up when im high hp not when im low
because thats what u do
median tulip
u should smoothing and reducing as much damage as possible
and a 3rd conduit and VT is a solid way of achieving that end with synergy between VT and Reprisal
chrome falcon
the mobs are already slowed 20% by TC
and you have 30% from banner
you don't need VT
jagged pier
u already have tones of ways to charge and intervene around without needing mobs to be slowed at all
chrome falcon
and it doesn't proc on anything relevant because the shit that kills us is 1) tyr bosses 2) fort minibosses 3) casters
none of which you can kite
median tulip
UM ain't gonna save you from any of those either
jagged pier
but it smooths the damage u take from them
no one has ever said its going to save you
chrome falcon
UM is objectively a survivability increase vs those things
median tulip
so does the 3rd potency
median tulip
and it'll do so at low HP where UM doesn't help you
chrome falcon
will it? or will condensed anima sphere just proc while you're at 90% and probably be on CD for when you die
and you're still totally ignoring the impact of the finesse conduits
median tulip
Anyway, I know how to play around it, if you can't that's your loss not mine
chrome falcon
both of which are NUTS
if you feel like you need to kite mobs in whatever key level you're doing
and gut your dps
i think that's probably your loss
median tulip
You're not kiting like a DH, you're using the VT pool for step distance. It's literally sub swing timer movements
topaz field
u stand still hopefully
chrome falcon
you already have a slow on the mobs from TC
lofty widget
thats doable without VT as well
chrome falcon
and a speed boost from banner
topaz field
or i leg sweep the mobs from you dirty tank so i can get my pad
iamagine a prot warrior moving
u move for one reason
to get your charge
the rest of the time you are a tower
jagged pier
u move for one reason
u dont even need to half the time
topaz field
with a flag on its bag
median tulip
iamagine a prot warrior moving
A Prot Warrior that isn't moving is a Prot Warrior that's not getting any benefit out of their Legendary
chrome falcon
you're using a whole soulbind slot to make reprisals easier when reprisal is a joke to proc already as necro
jagged pier
brah u do not need to be moving all the time
ever
99% of the time your stood still
chrome falcon
you backpedal 2 steps every 15 seconds
topaz field
ofc
median tulip
UM is nothing, it literally does nothing at all at any point where it would be useful
topaz field
it does
chrome falcon
damage smoothing is damage smoothing
topaz field
as u can see
chrome falcon
whether you're high hp or low hp
topaz field
yep
median tulip
Damage smoothing about 80% HP is worthless
chrome falcon
are you saying that monk's viability would not be effected
topaz field
your puddle does literally nothing
chrome falcon
if they didn't stagger damage above 80% hp?
topaz field
like nothing nothing
chrome falcon
damage smoothing above 80% hp
means you spend more time
above 80% hp
what's complicated about that
strong forum
The neat thing about it is
If you drop from 100 to 20 in 1 hit
It still staggered the entire hit
chrome falcon
^
jagged pier
UM is nothing, it literally does nothing at all at any point where it would be u...
why do all prots run it in raid then?
if its useless
jagged pier
just a question
median tulip
I feel like I'm butting my head against a wall of people who don't understand the basics here, so I'm just gonna nope out; have fun with your useless stagger mechanic
chrome falcon
stand in some bad shit while you're full? stagger that
strong forum
And again, you pick it cuz of the finesse conduit
jagged pier
basic mechanics that u dont need VT for 🤔
topaz field
what does the trail even do?
jagged pier
because we were doing since 9.0.5 as kyrian
lofty widget
well at the end of the day neither choice matters 🤷♂️
topaz field
the trail only procs when you are cc right?
jagged pier
what does the trail even do?
its a very small slow pool
chrome falcon
every 30 seconds, TC makes a tiny puddle that slows for 70%
no the tooltip is bugged
jagged pier
that mobs pretty much arent in anyway
topaz field
ah
jagged pier
that or safeguard
chrome falcon
i think the rally conduit is better than safeguard for most situations in m+
cobalt seal
You're not kiting like a DH, you're using the VT pool for step distance. It's li...
like DH kites
topaz field
yep
chrome falcon
and it is absolutely nuts
topaz field
but i would just put the Shieldwall conduit in the bin
lofty widget
jagged pier
i think the rally conduit is better than safeguard for most situations in m+
it depends really
topaz field
and play 2 finesse
lofty widget
safeguard saves lives in bigger keys
chrome falcon
yeah i agree jakey there are situations where safeguard is just broken
jagged pier
but i would just put the Shieldwall conduit in the bin
no
chrome falcon
but most of the time i just want rally
shield wall conduit is great
takes like 30% off the shield wall CD
jagged pier
its on like 1 min cd with conduit
chrome falcon
maybe more
topaz field
i was talking about m+
jagged pier
and u can get it back during an urh buff if u use it before
chrome falcon
point stands
topaz field
couz u never need Shieldwall in m+
chrome falcon
??????????????????
jagged pier
right lets go back to my point about smoothing damage
chrome falcon
that's a BLAZING hot take
topaz field
its nice to have but a dont fucking need it
jagged pier
u basically use it on cd
topaz field
unless im tanking a dos platform
topaz field
ofc i press it
chrome falcon
what an insane take 
chrome falcon
no i understand what you're saying it's just laughably stupid sorry
topaz field
than the cdr on the shield wall
topaz field
because its not me dying in the key
chrome falcon
you take both
topaz field
AND a 2nd one
chrome falcon
where's the confusion
chrome falcon
sorry i absolutely cannot engage with "you don't need to press shield wall" as an argument
it's too insane
sleek current
If you're doing 24's you don't have "bongos" in your group. You shouldn't NEED to run rally. Shieldwall is by far the better CD.
topaz field
If you're doing 24's you don't have "bongos" in your group. You shouldn't NEED t...
fucking good joke
chrome falcon
you don't NEED to do anything
topaz field
bongos dont stop until 28
chrome falcon
you can just run in and back tank
if you really want to
and just make your healer hate you
the point is making things easier on your group
chrome falcon
you are literally arguing that we don't have to press our buttons
strong forum
Tbf I think there is an argument to run CAS over stalwart
But I wouldn't run 2 finesse
topaz field
there you go dont be mad at me couz i overexagerated
with not pressing shield small
obviously u press it for magic dr
if u get roasted
sleek current
Eh
lofty widget
you press it for any dr
strong forum
You should still use SW fairly often just because you can
topaz field
yes
strong forum
But I don't think that stalwart is exceedingly mandatory
That being said, I've never not run stalwart
chrome falcon
nothing is exceedingly mandatory beyond having aggro and pressing shield block
that doesn't mean it's not correct
strong forum
Hm it's 42sec at 278+empowered
sleek current
I nearly use SW on CD. The only time I save it is when I know I need to. SG is so powerful. The difference between taking 10mil over the run or 8mil.
topaz field
I nearly use SW on CD. The only time I save it is when I know I need to. SG is s...
i hope you press all buttons on cd
not only shield wall
the difference in a high key is more often not the tank dying but a dps or a healer which rally is so good at
lofty widget
no?
topaz field
still have my foodbuff from last wednesday
chrome falcon
have you considered the possibility that if you take less damage then your healer can focus on the group more
lofty widget
what kills dps is standing in shit which is avoidable, and if its not you pop a defensive
topaz field
if shieldwall is 1 min delayed
sleek current
There is an argument to be made that you caused them to die by pulling wrong or not interrupting, or causing the healer stress. Mate this is nonsense.
topaz field
over the course of a dungeon with urh etc it is so irrelevant
chrome falcon
ok i can't engage with this anymore you just said something incredibly dumb and are doubling down on it for no reason
chrome falcon
couz u never need Shieldwall in m+
i should have just ignored this statement it's my bad
chrome falcon
yes that's literally the point
i just made
that i should have ignored what you said
topaz field
oh w8 i see
my statement was actually quite good
couz u dont rlly need it 😄
but i wont argue with u either way couz u are just onedimensional
chrome falcon
this is the second time in 20 minutes that someone has said i'm wrong for saying "tanks should try to reduce their damage intake as much as possible"
it's a wild day
topaz field
like i remember when the theorycrafters here told ppl SL prot is better than bfa warrior
like i should have never read any further statements here
jagged pier
i mean in terms of defence that is 100% true
ionic fern
like i remember when the theorycrafters here told ppl SL prot is better than bfa...
Still true.
jagged pier
talents have nothing to do with it
we were busted because of azerite power
which is gone
lofty widget
arent you the one saying you take so little dmg you dont ever have to use SW?
blazing condor
all BFA was was TC spamming
jagged pier
he also is saying that yes
jagged pier
but just because u arent taking much damage doesnt mean u should use it
as i said about an hour ago at this point
you should alwyas be trying to reduce as much damage as u can
regardless of hp
jagged pier
its about reducing damage
topaz field
its about several individuals who all do mistakes
jagged pier
yes which is mitigated by u taking less damage
topaz field
and u have to know in advance this pull is super hard i want SW for it
jagged pier
so u use your defensives proactively and as much as possible as u should do anyway
yes
u do do that with pulls
jagged pier
but if i get SW back every 1min lets say
jagged pier
and i know that the big pull is 2 mins away
topaz field
was stated by me
jagged pier
why would i not use SW twice in those 2 mins?
topaz field
because it does nothing
topaz field
which is unecessary
jagged pier
all the time
jagged pier
its never unecessary
trim bay
Wtf
jagged pier
good
ionic fern
like over pump it
Are you ok?
jagged pier
do that
topaz field
your IPs are half of the time wasted
jagged pier
we dont heal
its always necessary to mitigate as much damage as possible all the time
why is this so difficult for ppl ot understand
topaz field
yes but shield wall usually is an overkill
jagged pier
its never an overkill
blazing condor
trim bay
How does taking less damage not help surviving a pull
blazing condor
skyhold rn
trim bay
I'll unequip my shield
chrome falcon
skyhold rn
it feels like this is a good 50% of what happens here
topaz field
but how much less am i taking effectivley?
if everythig already goes into ip
did u take that into account?
drifting fable
bro IP sucks
minor helm
https://tenor.com/view/dono-wall-gif-24048347
He's actually RPing as SW
jagged pier
a lot less
drifting fable
as a defensive
jagged pier
because IP does nothing
chrome falcon
"how much less damage am i taking when i press the button that makes me take 50% less damage"
shit bro i dunno
blazing condor
He's actually RPing as SW
BW (brick wall)
chrome falcon
50% less?
minor helm
jagged pier
"how much less damage am i taking when i press the button that makes me take 50%...
SW is 60
chrome falcon
TIL lol
topaz field
but how much is 50 % of zero
strong forum
Nah is 50, you got that confused
ionic fern
It was 40
strong forum
It's 40% at r1
ionic fern
Now it's 50
jagged pier
i thought rank 2 was 60
strong forum
50% at r2
jagged pier
🤔
ionic fern
No.
sleek current
55%
jagged pier
am i think of old game
ionic fern
R2 is 50
chrome falcon
IP is 55
jagged pier
probably
strong forum
IP is 55% but limited
jagged pier
boomer memory
chrome falcon
it was 60 in legion probably from an artifact trait
or maybe 40
the point stands
strong forum
So with all CDs in mind, with SW reduce dmg up to 95%
chrome falcon
it doesn't fucking matter how much damage it reduces
strong forum
Btw
chrome falcon
it could reduce it by 20%
and you'd still press it
because taking less damage is good!
strong forum
Avatar alone put us at 24%
jagged pier
So with all CDs in mind, with SW reduce dmg up to 95%
nah nome it pointless
pointless to use on CD
doesnt do anything
cobalt seal
sleek current
chrome falcon
as long as your hp isn't zero
you're a good tank
that's the hot take for today apparently
taking less damage at 90% hp? pointless
the only time you need to start taking less damage is when you're already at 20% hp
jagged pier
no the hot takes from today are:
- u need a slow to use reprisal
- u dont need to use your defensive's in m+
jagged pier
topaz field
and 3) whatever the theorycrafter here say is correct, if they are joking its a joke if others are joking towards something we take it seriously and are not taking their arguments into acocunt
chrome falcon
based
ionic fern
and 3) whatever the theorycrafter here say is correct, if they are joking its a ...
Agreed.
blazing condor
yes 
jagged pier
well yer TCs and SFs are usually correct because we know what we are talking about
even blue bois
occationally
lofty widget
thats why theyre theorycrafters, we leave all the thinking to them 
ionic fern
occationally
chrome falcon
you can ignore the pencil pushers if you want but
jagged pier
<:sadge:820202363359854633>
u got retirement rank now
chrome falcon
at least listen to the people doing mythic jailer and high keys
jagged pier
u can do what u like
chrome falcon
blazing condor
shouldve stayed orange, mwahi
ionic fern
I'm allllllll the colours.
minor helm
at least listen to the people doing mythic jailer and high keys
Nah but remember yesterday?
Prot war bad on yailer
jagged pier
that was funny
chrome falcon
no i purge my brain of every fucking stupid conversation i have in here at 23:59 every day
it's the only way i can bring myself to wake up in the morning
minor helm
That guy? He was ur RL
jagged pier
no
undone verge
Prot warrior is just the worst spec ever in the games history. It’s impossible to kill anything above normal jailer or a +4 no one has ever done it
minor helm
Secret discord account to keep you down
jagged pier
i already am down im have to play BrM because they dont want to recruit a WW
minor helm
jagged pier
even tho the WW will do more dps than our current arms warrior
chrome falcon
WW kinda fucks now no?
jagged pier
👍
blazing condor
ddos ur arms warr
minor helm
Ok wait a minute
chrome falcon
this is why you need to raid lead yourself
if you want to play prot
so people can't force you off it
jagged pier
this is why you need to raid lead yourself
fuck that
blazing condor
sense strat
jagged pier
no sense was dps
undone verge
this is why you need to raid lead yourself
Yell at yourself to rally instead of your raid leader calling it at the most random times when everyone is mostly at full up
jagged pier
and got sick of tanks failing
chrome falcon
i joined my guild as tank and got sick of them failing
undone verge
Our bdk just quit for the tier right before we got aotc so guess who had to tank
jagged pier
he has more sense than the rest of us
undone verge
Since I was a tank until sanctum when I had to go dps so said bdk could tank
Like the dude pumped and would always rip aggro from our bm monk
chrome falcon
brm's damage was sick in sod no?
topaz field
well of course because its a brm
just the 2nd highest tank dps
chrome falcon
because of blood link?
undone verge
Yeah and the dude would use his defensive son cd as offensive cds so it didn’t help
chrome falcon
idk i remember my brm's blood link doing 50% more damage than mine in sod
minor helm
2nd highest from the bottom
topaz field
but sure
jagged pier
yes because thats the statics and actual numbers
blazing condor
?
jagged pier
no i was saying monk does no damage no wonder why the bdk was taking aggro
then u asked about sod
i wasnt talking about sod
ever
topaz field
and u feed it with bad statistics
chrome falcon
no but the person you were responding to
undone verge
What does it look like at 95th?
chrome falcon
was talking about sod!
jagged pier
how
topaz field
600 prot took part in your survey
jagged pier
he posted this raid
topaz field
8k brm
jagged pier
yer its all percintiles
only 600 prots are doing mythic right now
or have logs in mythic i should be more specific
strong forum
At 99th % you'll still only see good performers ykno
jagged pier
oh and prots top there
strong forum
And monk literally is one of the lowest dps tanks
That's got nothing to do with # of parses
jagged pier
strong forum
It's just how the game is
chrome falcon
strong forum
Monk does very poor on ST
Whereas pwar gets better the less targets there are
That's just facts
topaz field
did u take player skill into account?
strong forum
It's 99th %
jagged pier
99%
strong forum
So yes
jagged pier
not good players for sure
strong forum
Numbers don't lie when it's literally looking at top performers
topaz field
its obvious few bad players play prot
strong forum
That is not relevant at 99%
jagged pier
look at the first picture i linked if u want over all
strong forum
99th percentile means "player who has performed better than 99% of everyone of his spec"
jagged pier
was talking about sod!
i just wanna ask tho, how is linking this talking about sod?
chrome falcon
"Since I was a tank until sanctum when I had to go dps so said bdk could tank
Like the dude pumped and would always rip aggro from our bm monk"
chrome falcon
during sanctum the bdk went tank
and ripped aggro from bm monk
that is how i read that sentence
i was just commenting that ripping threat from a monk during sod is
ridiculous
jagged pier
yer was talking about in Sod having to go dps but because he was pumping in this raid shown by logs
he was ripping aggro from brm
which is true but brm fucking sucks
strong forum
Now*
chrome falcon
sure it makes sense that he's ripping aggro from brm now
strong forum
In sod they were carried by veinripper and bron
chrome falcon
i was just saying it's crazy that he was also ripping aggro during sod
jagged pier
he didnt state when he was ripping aggro
blazing condor
bad vibes in skyhold today
jagged pier
Brm sucks arse
chrome falcon
undone verge
He wasn’t as insane in sod
jagged pier
got tier set early i reckon
undone verge
kinda but the extra dmg that bdk does this tier pushed it over the edge where he would rip aggro
jagged pier
well or your monk was bad
i mean we don thave aggro problems
me and my co tank
🤷
strong forum
Weird tbh
Cuz bdk does still generate like 18% more threat than other tanks + does almost 6k more dps than monk in ST
Realistically it's closer to 3-4k but still
chrome falcon
me and my bdk had this weird thing on LoD where the instant the swarm phase started he would rip threat on both bosses
like no matter what
strong forum
Cuz all of his dmg is spread onto both
chrome falcon
yeah but like
strong forum
And simply just doing more dmg
undone verge
🤷♂️
jagged pier
i mean thats a bad monk
strong forum
Myeah that's pretty oof
A green/blue parsing tank on such a popular spec isn't a good sign
undone verge
I mean what’s weird is he parses better on mythic
We’ve only done two mythic bosses but he’s mid 70s in mythic
undone verge
Wait that's heroic
Ye
onyx matrix
Hows this weeks afflixes?
jagged pier
what affixes?
onyx matrix
Oh is that so
topaz field
yes get a soothe and enjoy free elo
onyx matrix
Ez week then
strong forum
2nd best tyra week, the best tyra week is in 6 weeks
Bursting volcanic tyra iirc
Raging can fuck you over a tad bit more than bursting, albeit more annoying
topaz field
its nerfed raging
jagged pier
casual +40 mob meleeing u then
topaz field
ye sure but u should hold group utility for it but ye bursting is still better
strong forum
Ya you can safely outplay raging obv
topaz field
raging is huge for the big reflects
strong forum
📈
austere latch
So is the first technique bad now?
robust rover
Yah, replace it
Kind of dumb, but I went back to Weave of Warped Fates for M+. It seems in PUGS too many times kicks don't occur, I die, then we wipe, then we don't time. The Weave seems to save a pull at least once per M+ for me now.
Well more-so on Fort week. Tyr week not sure I will keep using it.
sick sentinel
raging is huge for the big reflects
fort raging spires would be STONKS, birb boi
strong forum
So is the first technique bad now?
Was always bad for us
distant crystal
naive panther
About every high m+ dh uses it.
sweet summit
dh =/= war
urban portal
dh is the best tank for it
urban portal
the fact that blood dk had to write out a whole program to tell people its bad
shows how bad it is
strong forum
It's only good on vdh and okayish for bdks in niche cases
The 2 tanks who take by far the most dmg
narrow fog
I recommend starting as early as pre-patch even
Yeah' I'll pre order it anyway
strong forum
Same goes for looking for a new guild
New expansion and pre-patches is the perfect opportunity to try something new
onyx matrix
Prot war prot war prot war
narrow fog
Problem is, I also plan on playing Alliance in EU (Silvermoon or Ravencrest)
onyx matrix
Gladiator stance!
strong forum
My bet is that by 10.0 Cross-faction guilds will be a thing
narrow fog
So, maybe there are too many tanks on well populated realms
jagged pier
My bet is that by 10.0 Cross-faction guilds will be a thing
i fucking hopeso
im locking into horde
and Brm
sage yacht
strong forum
Realms don't matter outside of auction house and guilds, but anything else you can easily do cross server
jagged pier
might actually enjoy if i could play alli races
strong forum
Why not both
narrow fog
I don't do alts
strong forum
Try out whatever seems fun and stick with that
narrow fog
Only wanna do one and do it well
jagged pier
dont play prot streamers and yt will say its bottom tier while playing it incorrectly
onyx matrix
I have a prot pala alt atm
jagged pier
then it will be a dead spec again
strong forum
If you're easily influenced yeah then pwar might not be for you
jagged pier
such a dead spec S1 it was used in the WF kill
strong forum
Emphasis on might
jagged pier
narrow fog
such a dead spec S1 it was used in the WF kill
Limit used ir right?
onyx matrix
Prot warr is king kong
strong forum
We don't know how the future will turn out
onyx matrix
It will be guuuud
jagged pier
yep but apprently it was so bad u could take it to a +2 key
toxic pewter
Can’t wait for our talent tree to come out
jagged pier
lets not forget as well that darki was gemming and enchanting mastery as well in CN
like a mong
onyx matrix
Re-introduceeed
narrow fog
Darki is the same guy as Benw?
strong forum
Tbf Sims were severely broken in 9.0
wild hemlock
i accidentally made my 291 with haste/mastery 😦
onyx matrix
Oof
strong forum
That's fine
jagged pier
Tbf Sims were severely broken in 9.0
yer but even when they were we were telling ppl to gem haste not mastery
wild hemlock
so ive just been rocking it all season lol
strong forum
Those 70-90 stats won't make or break you class
jagged pier
im pretty sure we said we didnt know why mastery was so high but dont use it
jagged pier
well yer
darki if he actually did any reasearch could have at least gone haste and saved us the trouble
of having to explain it every other day
sleek current
I built Crit / Mast... 🤭
sleek current
i accidentally made my 291 with haste/mastery 😦
It's easy enough to replace now though. They're basically giving away Cosmic Flux in Zereith
chrome falcon
sounds fine to me
sleek current
The new work order system that's coming sounds like a dream come true to be honest. I think that'll make things far more accessible.
sharp carbon
wasup guys, just started out tanking cause my raid lost the second tank and ive dropped fury so we could keep raiding
in raid i got myself in doubt with the priorities for rage spending, mostly on single target. Sometimes i got overcapped with rage and others i went full rage starving
searched some youtube videos of prot warriors on sepulcher but didnt find anything useful
sleek current
Shield Block, anything else IP unless close to or capped. Everything else on Revenge. 😁 As a rule of thumb.
Get an IP weakaura that'll show you shield size.
jagged pier
just link logs
sharp carbon
what cov/legendary you running for starters?
im running reprisal with necrolord cause i got some xp for m+
but not for raiding
narrow fog
Shield Block, anything else IP unless close to or capped. Everything else on Rev...
Think that most of the buff tracker addons can track that as well, not just WA
urban portal
dont even need a IP tracker
narrow fog
God, I wish they fucking removed WA so I wouldn't need to worry about it
drifting fable
wat, WAs rock
sleek current
I love WA's and I do need an IP tracker so I'm not wasting rage.
sharp carbon
just link logs
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/x4FgHqQJvbNdpZV3#fight=29&type=damage-done&source=14
here it is our dausegne heroic, this one is where i found myself struggling the most
drifting fable
you dont need to track IP, you should just overcap on IP if it comes down to it
IP is a rage dumper
nothing else
narrow fog
wat, WAs rock
That's precisely the reason they need to be banned
They are TOO useful.
Same with dungeon journal
Then, you don't have to design raids with 1 shot mechanics in them for indivudual mistakes.
That's just my opinion. Feel free to disagree, no hate
jagged pier
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/x4FgHqQJvbNdpZV3#fight=29&type=damage-done&...
your casts are giga low
urban portal
I love WA's and I do need an IP tracker so I'm not wasting rage.
the thing about IP is that you just press IP when you are overcapping
narrow fog
Same with dungeon journal
Meant WA is too useful, this one is whatever meh
urban portal
you would rather overcap IP than overcap rage
drifting fable
wait you think having mechanics in the dungeon journal is OP?
narrow fog
wait you think having mechanics in the dungeon journal is OP?
No
That's why I clarified.
drifting fable
gotcha
jagged pier
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/x4FgHqQJvbNdpZV3#fight=29&type=damage-done&...
u like arent generating any rage because your casts are so low, your wasting around half your outburst procs on TC, u arent using repisal enough
sleek current
the thing about IP is that you just press IP when you are overcapping
I could be pressing Revenge if I'm overcapping instead of IP.
urban portal
im saying that if you are in a global
jagged pier
hard to tell for everything else because its hc such a short boss time
urban portal
you should be using IP
narrow fog
I meant that WAs by their very existence force raid design to be a certain way...
urban portal
your IP size doesnt matter unless you are literally about to die in which case your HP bar can tell you that
i got an IP tracker and its the most useless thing ive seen
drifting fable
i don't necessarily agree with that but its not really a debate for this channel
the WA thing
jagged pier
like your SS casts are like 3-5 CPM lower than they should be and using outburst on TC is a massive waste of rage gen and damage
narrow fog
i don't necessarily agree with that but its not really a debate for this channel
Yeah true
lofty widget
well ion said himself that they kinda have to take WAs into account when designing boss fights
WAs/addons
sharp carbon
u like arent generating any rage because your casts are so low, your wasting aro...
i see, got a bit nervous first time tanking and confused some buttons. I'll try hitting some dummy to get used to the buttons.
narrow fog
well ion said himself that they kinda have to take WAs into account when designi...
He did?
Where
lofty widget
in t he asmon interview im psure
sharp carbon
also, outburst should always go to SS right ?
narrow fog
in t he asmon interview im psure
He did an interview with asmongold? How did PR let him get away with that one? 🤣🤣🤣
drifting fable
if youre loaded up on rage and you know you have more coming, outburst TC can be good on AOE
narrow fog
But yeah, thanks for info @lofty widget i'll check out what he said.
jagged pier
u really need to focus on hitting your buttons more tho @sharp carbon your SB management is fine but u have not rage
narrow fog
u really need to focus on hitting your buttons more tho <@157911248850255874> yo...
Prot is giga spam rn ☹️
ocean yoke
increasing that cpm will help out your banner uptime as well so youll have even more rage
sleek current
also, outburst should always go to SS right ?
Yes, unless you're going to double proc outburst. Don't waste them. Better to TC and Avatar if you're not going to get an SS in time for Avatar CD.
narrow fog
It's like ret paladin in wrath but you actually have to use your brain.
jagged pier
well yer like banner uptime on skolex is 30% because rage gen is so low
should 100% pretty much
narrow fog
Btw, I am impressed with how much knowledge about a certain spec you guys have. Been stalking this channel for some time now without saying much.
I didn't even know about the darki haste/mastery thing
sharp carbon
should 100% pretty much
thats great to know, im really excited. Didnt expect prot warrior to be so fun
narrow fog
He probably thought these guys have no clue what they are talking about, but this tier it seems that in fact, you did...
drifting fable
its a very rewarding playstyle
sharp carbon
got a real good time tanking last night
drifting fable
very active tho
ocean yoke
thats great to know, im really excited. Didnt expect prot warrior to be so fun
be warned, it is very addictive
sharp carbon
i love to play fury cause i cant stop pressing buttons and prot felt pretty the same, just need to get used to my buttons and will be fine
sleek current
I'll never not be a Prot Warrior main. 😂 Stuck this way since MoP.
sharp carbon
i used to play prot warrior in cata/MoP
but i was 13 years old and stopped playing since heart of fear
never tried it again till now
sleek current
I never touched Cata, skipped from WOTLK to MoP. I was a Prot Pally in WOTLK.
narrow fog
I never touched Cata, skipped from WOTLK to MoP. I was a Prot Pally in WOTLK.
Aka the sleeper spec
I need to do a scientific research but pretty sure you can play it sleeping and awake
And you would see minimal difference
sharp carbon
well, thank you guys for the patience and attention.
have a good day u all (:
narrow fog
Who the hell thought making Ardent Defender passive was a good idea is beyond me
sleek current
Yeah. 😂 My mate just leveled a holy priest and I'm running a paladin with him. It's been an easy life.
sleek current
well, thank you guys for the patience and attention.
have a good day u all (:
Good luck mate! Have fun.
narrow fog
Wotlk classic is gonna have 9999999 prot paladins per realm
sleek current
Who the hell thought making Ardent Defender passive was a good idea is beyond me
To be honest. I miss my pots and pans. It's not as pleasing using hammer of the righteous anymore.
narrow fog
To be honest. I miss my pots and pans. It's not as pleasing using hammer of the ...
Omg that sound
Was legendary
Literally tinpots falling down stairs
sleek current
I bloody loved it. 😂 Ping! BOINK!
narrow fog
Gotta say, DKs obliterate sounds reallly good now
sleek current
I tried finding an add-on that would replace the sounds for me but, I gave up.
narrow fog
Shame it hits like a pussy
sleek current
I don't know the obliterate 4 piece set is doing well. Haha.
narrow fog
I tried finding an add-on that would replace the sounds for me but, I gave up.
Nah, that's probably tampering with game files.
narrow fog
I don't know the obliterate 4 piece set is doing well. Haha.
Yeah, for 1 tier out of 3
Next xpac talent build for fdk as it is now pretty much FORCES you to take breath again
I remember the times
Wotlk and cata
Wherre obliterate would hurt
sleek current
I won't play WOTLK classic. I don't want to ruin my memories.
narrow fog
Like a mfer
narrow fog
I won't play WOTLK classic. I don't want to ruin my memories.
Same bro. Same...
I'll just play 10.0 and hope for the best
sleek current
Also it's not like my guild will be there. Haha.
Dragonflight does look pretty awesome to be honest and I've not said that about an xpac since WOTLK.
It's about time we got a flying rework as well as the Work Orders. Investing in long term features is there motto going into this and I'm hopeful.
narrow fog
Also it's not like my guild will be there. Haha.
Dragonflight does look pretty ...
Yes. It does look promising.
The removal of borrowed power/ progression based skill up is what really sells it for me
sleek current
Yeah, agreed.
narrow fog
I don't have to feel like a chinese sweatshop worker anymore.
jagged pier
narrow fog
And while the talent trees aren't super duper awesome, they are a big improvement over Dragon Power or whatever else would be in their place.
drifting fable
personally thought borrowed powers was a cool concept but yea they were ass at balancing them
sleek current
Mmm, kind of bothered me that I threw my legendary weapon in the bin. 😂
jagged pier
they said many a times over the last few expansions we wont put borrowed power in or no new system each patch
drifting fable
yea end of xpacs sucked too 😭
jagged pier
always been a lie
narrow fog
personally thought borrowed powers was a cool concept but yea they were ass at b...
I see where you are coming from. Personally, I never liked them. Talent trees should have returned as early as Legion IMO.
drifting fable
agreed there they kinda tried it with the artifact weps but the old style trees have always been better
narrow fog
It won't happen because they don't have the manpower 🤣🤣🤣
They can barely design the talent trees it seems these days
jagged pier
thats what ppl said about Sod and blizz said no new system in SoD
what did we get
shards
drifting fable
narrow fog
sick sentinel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8sm2LQuD0I this dudes video i just found just now unrelated to other searches googled "m+ season 4" and one of top results.
jagged pier
well its pretty clear he has 0 idea what hes talking about
apprently bdk has no utility to him
sick sentinel
this is his final recap score at the end
jagged pier
and guardian has the highest APM
sick sentinel
ocean yoke
his whole thing is read numbers off website to viewers
jagged pier
i mean from the thumbnail alone prots the easiest tank to play
okay
sure buddy
go get 100% uptime of banner
and tell me how thats easier than press thrash
odd tree
blood dk is hard?
topaz field
the ordinary pug prot war
jagged pier
👍
jagged pier
blood dk is hard?
no
topaz field
has 50 % sb uptime
sick sentinel
i like how he gives all other tanks dps score of above 3, us at 2 but none at 1 llool
drifting fable
blood dk is only 1 utility because it just has grip and nothing else clearly
odd tree
i mean, i know, a have one i play occasionally
drw is easier to maintain then banner, just heartstrike
jagged pier
Youtube being shit
apprently vengance is really hard to play
cobalt seal
Yep
jagged pier
🤔
odd tree
apprently vengance is really hard to play
they have like 5 buttons
ocean yoke
the difficulty is not falling asleep
jagged pier
not in their normal rotation
odd tree
i always feel weird filling keybinds on my dh
sick sentinel
"I thought prot warrior would be one of the higest dmg dealing tanks, at 240 itemlvl doing 30-40k dps on each pull" youtube commenter
jagged pier
it is
jade tartan
Bdk is so fuckin easy.
And so strong in the same time.
Pulls I can do with my dk tear my warrior apart
strong forum
literally everyone in the comments on this video is shitting on him
drifting fable
as they should lol
topaz field
Bdk is so fuckin easy.
And so strong in the same time.
Pulls I can do with my d...
actually before the introduction of perma block on bdk 😄 it shoudl be vise around
odd tree
well he also gave guardian a 2 for self heals
jade tartan
Well the thing with dk is that he can sustain and solo shit. While warrior will slowly die
topaz field
i have to comment also for his bad haircut
jade tartan
Is codex of first technique ner ed badly?
oblique garnet
👏 It 👏 was 👏 never 👏 good 👏 for 👏 warrior 👏
sick sentinel
Prot Warrior easiest tank lmao I stopped watching there.
drifting fable
strong forum
rip vault
sick sentinel
what u mean rip vault they deleting it from game
strong forum
bad items
sick sentinel
or just i get a shit one 3 crit mastery rings again
strong forum
cloak wrist and IQD
odd tree
Well the thing with dk is that he can sustain and solo shit. While warrior will ...
but if you let drw drop for a couple seconds you're a wet noodle, war without banner is still beefy
sick sentinel
i mean, IQD if nothing else
depensd on ur other gear, i'll let u work out what "bad item" u want
drifting fable
thats probably a save for a socket vault lol
strong forum
its 6ilvl upgrade on bracers or cloak
drifting fable
fair enough
sick sentinel
same bracer,
man dude, these guys at the Infinite Infantry really hooking me up, and no blizzard, i won't upgrade the hook... yet... its kinda poopy
oblique garnet
@strong forum opener check
sick sentinel
hes druid now
oblique garnet
Thats not the answer i was looking for
strong forum
unluck
sleek current
No shield. Tasty Haste / Crit ring though
And +17 ToP key so... Maybe it's trying to tell me my shield is waiting for me on the next key. 😄
dark lark
Oh right it's vault day for eu
sleek current
I suppose at least it's not just one random item now. 😂 There is at least 3 choices there, as long as you put in the time. Haha
echo egret
ToP Xav wing : 1st miniboss, anyone knows what can pull the 2nd one from his room ?
strong forum
walking to it
onyx matrix
I suppose at least it's not just one random item now. 😂 There is at least 3 cho...
still, the vault should rotate
so you dont get ring each week you get smth else to choose from
every single week
onyx matrix
or or
they could´ve added a m+ vendor 😄 😄
and you could buy gear with valor
just a thought
sleek current
I like the WOTLK vibes around, like Justice and such but, at the same time. I feel like it'll be too grindy. Rotating vault sounds better to me.
onyx matrix
yea I liked the wotlk emblem vendors, but at the same time there was an end on that grind 😄
sleek current
Walking around with that 5.2k GS mate.
agile pumice
Holy shit is that the real Saul Goodman
sleek current
Yeah, he sorted me out when I was convicted of genocide against the alliance. Man's legit. I swear, I never touched those humans, they died on their own.
onyx matrix
Holy shit is that the real Saul Goodman
yes it is!
onyx matrix
Yeah, he sorted me out when I was convicted of genocide against the alliance. Ma...
it was their own choice
onyx matrix
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09HOHcuHeds&ab_channel=AzAMOuS tbc classic ppl be like
narrow fog
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09HOHcuHeds&ab_channel=AzAMOuS tbc classic ppl b...
AHAHAHHAHAHA trueeee
woven laurel
what happened to codex that makes it not a good trinket anymore?
round cliff
prot is rly fun but i wonder if the effort it takes to play prot well would be better spent just playing brewmaster xd
identity crisis
round cliff
i thought they did more damage than prot rn at least in single target
jagged pier
no
they do far less ST
and around the same
in aoe
but they are only 1 button
so u have that
woven laurel
is ashen remains conduit much better with execute buff?
jagged pier
I always played it before hand
but it probs should just be run all the time unless your in like 28 fort or somthing
woven laurel
i do like show of force tho
jagged pier
its literally .2% damage
dawn canyon
