but yes
#protection
chrome falcon
being prot is not helping unfortunately
people are stupid and hate us for no reason
chilly brook
But it’s not that you’re actually inting by being prot
It’s just people being brain dead
chrome falcon
modern brook
I wouldn't invite a prot warrior we wouldn't need 2 smh
torn plaza
Tbh i don't really know how to find a group, everyone in the 25 range is looking for a bdk, hpriest, lock, sv, ww...
or at least it seems like this
cinder storm
you can create your own key, add people that you like or you think might like you
have like 2 healers and 5-6 dps then build a group out of the best of those
cinder storm
or you can sit in lfg and post yourself as a tank that is looking for a grp
chilly brook
If you keep running with the same people
Start seeing about making it an actual push group
torn plaza
So yeah no shortcut I guess.. Ty !
odd tree
try the Mythic Plus Friends discord. easy enough to post your raider.io profile and find a push group.
chrome falcon
same problem that no-one likes prot though
brittle owl
well idk
chrome falcon
gotta prove yourself to these people first
brittle owl
get less shitty friends
it's not the io score that matters after all
it's the friends you make along the way
odd tree
but there is still this stigma, even around the 19/20 key lvl where i'm currently playing
chrome falcon
because those friends get you more io score next season
i have people in my guild who think prot warrior is dogshit and won't pug them even though they've seen me blast on it
people are just dumb
odd tree
i have people in my guild who think prot warrior is dogshit and won't pug them e...
same actually
low kindle
omg, how do you not rip aggro from the other tank in p4 lol
brittle owl
just tank the boss 4head
shut summit
omg, how do you not rip aggro from the other tank in p4 lol
actually had to stop attacking
blazing condor
Sad!
shut summit
pulled threat in a diff pull and died insta
low kindle
that must feel really bad
shut summit
18k dps vs 6k druid dps
low kindle
to afk
blazing condor
Never raided this tier what makes jailer take hella damage during execute
urban portal
he just crit twice
chrome falcon
but mostly, our execute actually just hits that hard
urban portal
yea
chrome falcon
and has 55%+ crit chance
chrome falcon
blazing condor
I mean yeah execute trucks but the jailer execute phase is usually way higher for us than other bosses
urban portal
slam on prot 
blazing condor
Leading me to wonder if theres any mechanic that buffs
chrome falcon
I mean yeah execute trucks but the jailer execute phase is usually way higher fo...
on HC you have a damage buff during execute
strong forum
Never raided this tier what makes jailer take hella damage during execute
warrior
chrome falcon
on mythic the damage buff works differently and isn't necessarily always up when jailer is below 20%
chrome falcon
yeah jailer's execute phase is like
28% of his total hp or something
it was more before the nerf
toxic pewter
will veiled augment rune still be the best rune for season 4
low kindle
do you lose azeroth's boon in p4?
strong forum
shut summit
just bug it
strong forum
thats just LFR jailer
toxic pewter
ya i just got #1 dps on lfr jailer 15 min ago
toxic pewter
will veiled augment rune still be the best rune for season 4
it should still be the standard right
strong forum
runes never get updated
toxic pewter
Ok good
toxic pewter
yes thats what I was thinking
bout to get exalted with enlightened finally gonna have the infinite one but is it even worth it its 45k
1 rune is like 100
yeah i guess ill use it more than 450 times
ocean yoke
only 1 bag slot too
toxic pewter
yes true
toxic pewter
thats actually good point
is the infinite rune a gimmick/scam?
also side note- anyone on area 52 give me 45k?
strong forum
infinite rune is worth if you play alot
sweet summit
makes raidlogging a lot easier 
toxic pewter
how much gold am i missing out by not doing mission table becaues im lazy
sweet summit
depends on how many characters you could do
chrome falcon
quite a lot though over the course of an expansion
toxic pewter
do you guys do the mission table?
sweet summit
no
toxic pewter
I know there are addons that like all I have to do is click a button right lol
sweet summit
venture plan has that iirc
sweet summit
ah rip
toxic pewter
wish i could mount in necrolord sanctum
robust rover
how much gold am i missing out by not doing mission table becaues im lazy
I probably get easily 1200g/day just on gold only missions. I have a few toons and use TDLR addon to calculate the missions.
toxic pewter
I probably get easily 1200g/day just on gold only missions. I have a few toons ...
tdlr... ok i will check that out. thank you
robust rover
Maybe it is TLDR. Think I have a typo.
cobalt seal
Yeah it is
toxic pewter
TLDr got it
potent anvil
I still use the infinite flask from legion 
toxic pewter
does that stack with current flask
toxic pewter
nice
potent anvil
urban portal
Wish I had that
toxic pewter
i get 2h flask from alchemy at least
sweet summit
toxic pewter
with execute buff, ashen juggernaut is the pick every week, for sure, right?
toxic pewter
https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-238...
still see people running show of force
of the top 50 prot warrs, 24 are running show of force, its more popular than ashen
chilly brook
Bruv
median tulip
still see people running show of force
You can still find people running Kyrian too, what's your point?
toxic pewter
40 running necro 8 kyrian
chilly brook
Ashen is literally better than show of force
toxic pewter
my point is the top 50 prot warrs in the world. More are running show of force than ashen exactly at this time and place.
toxic pewter
we need to displace these supposed prot warriors
brb climbing
they must be pulling like crazy large packs where show of force is actually better
chilly brook
Doubtful
cinder storm
there are many people who climb because they play with meta specs, or the people they play have a strong grasp of the dungeon, routes and timings.
chilly brook
^
toxic pewter
I just still am confused
cinder storm
^
toxic pewter
So how do we measure who is best
toxic pewter
I guess logs?
jagged pier
still see people running show of force
okay there are still ppl running codex
whats your point?
toxic pewter
Why are the top prot warriors, those that indirectly represent us all on the main stage of the world, running things that are not good
chilly brook
This is like the appeal to authority fallacy in action…..
toxic pewter
They must run what is best to better their chances of success
What don't you get about that?
minor helm
they must be pulling like crazy large packs where show of force is actually bett...
The difference between show and aj isn't enough to not time a high key when destros do 50k overall
toxic pewter
Yes. That is why they are on top.
jagged pier
they dont even need to play correct
cinder storm
Remember Nerfclap during S1? he climbed to the top for a few weeks/days in a matter of a week or two because of his team
minor helm
They have nothing to do with each other
chilly brook
This man has to be trolling
jagged pier
one of the top warriors has 60% blocked hits with HR and rep
chilly brook
Like every day he says the dumbest shit
toxic pewter
Listen- they are on top, pushing the hardest content there is. They have to be min maxing at that point. What don't you get about this?
chrome falcon
we know he is
hazy edge
Why are the top prot warriors, those that indirectly represent us all on the mai...
The same reason that a lot of the rwf bdk's weren't playing the tier set correctly for 95% of the race.
hazy edge
They get baited by things just like the rest of the population of wow
chrome falcon
and what does that tell you
toxic pewter
I am actually confused by it all. Entire discord says codex is bad - 28 of the top warriors running it
how is that me trolling
I am point out facts
wild sandal
does the spear in SOA disappear if one die
chrome falcon
no
cinder storm
I keep finding pugs doing zdps or doing dps that you find in people doing 15s-20s, at the highest level, its about coordination, stun rotation, cd management
chilly brook
does the spear in SOA disappear if one die
No
chrome falcon
those top tanks
cinder storm
they can have better gear and trinkets and rotation, but those tanks are also 70% carried by their god teammates
strong forum
"top"
hazy edge
And either don't listen to the TCs who put in hours of work and do maths to figure it out, or sit in their own bubble and feelcraft everything
chrome falcon
so they just assume it's good on prot too
chilly brook
I am point out facts
And people have given you the math on the trinket and you still fucking bring it up
toxic pewter
I guess I am just confused we even got execute buff.. they are literally running SHOW OF FORCE THIS ISNT ME TROLLING I WILL LINK YOU
THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT WENT DWARF
FFS
strong forum
sof is still good tho
chrome falcon
"good"
toxic pewter
that is why I asked if I am missing something
jagged pier
well and with how often some of them press TC might actually be good
toxic pewter
But codex is simply bad
cinder storm
burn
strong forum
sof is a solid 2-300dps
toxic pewter
i asked about sof
strong forum
id say yes
chilly brook
aj doesnt provide alot of value on trash mostly on bosses
You’re still using execute on fort
strong forum
OFC YOU ARE
chilly brook
Regardless
strong forum
but how much dps do you gain from on trash mobs from getting 3-4 stacks of AJ
vs perma value from sof on trash
chilly brook
SoF/ashen isn’t gonna be a difference maker in keys
It’s focusing on things that legit don’t matter
strong forum
its not but its worth noting
shut summit
I legit still lose threat in aoe, it's minor but sof does help there, but the difference between the 2 ain't gonna matter much
strong forum
that neither conduit is bad to run
toxic pewter
I think SOF is the pick on fort
toxic pewter
yeah true it doesnt matter much prob
chilly brook
You have more important things to worry about
toxic pewter
That is true
shut summit
Definitely aj for tyran, doesn't matter between 2 for fort
strong forum
the point we've been making for the several past expansions is
that just because someone is "high io"
doesnt mean theyre correct in what theyre doing
or spent as many braincells figuring the shit out as the TCs
chilly brook
You can do top without pressing shield block
toxic pewter
Ok and I am understanding that more each time I bring something like this Up . I realize it sounds like I am trolling but it appears I am one that looks at 'the top' and takes from them certain assumptions. I am realizing that is incorrect.
jagged pier
no its because the first few times in here u did legit just troll
toxic pewter
I am not a troll
blazing condor
be nice 
chilly brook
And I’m not a dick
toxic pewter
i acknowledge some things i have said are controversial. i will work on that as well to cease
blazing condor
i mean controversial =/= bad
don't be afraid to say stuff you aren't sure of or wondering even if it might be a "bad" opinion
as long as youre not intentionally trying to get a rise out of people
for the hell of it
strong forum
gotta keep in mind, that the pwar ladder doesnt have alot of competition from ACTUAL pushers
gotta keep that closely in min
toxic pewter
So like why the hell are there not ACTUAL pushers. we are so damn strong
strong forum
perception
toxic pewter
is it the APM? people turned off by it??
strong forum
nobody having a geared warrior
jagged pier
and ppl that have geared warriors dont push
toxic pewter
Like do people not want to press that many buttons or wat
blazing condor
more factors than just individual tank strength but mostly its just "pwarr is bad because....they just are"
toxic pewter
but we arent though
blazing condor
public perception says we are
strong forum
we arent but try to convince someone of that
toxic pewter
We need 1 BIG PUSHER
strong forum
yes
toxic pewter
somebody do it already
strong forum
andy has had started to gear his warri
toxic pewter
because we are so underrated its not even funny
strong forum
but currently hes slowly starting to burn out of keys
cinder storm
I m going to release about 20% of my power to make it happen
toxic pewter
We need to go on a marketing blitz
cinder storm
toxic pewter
gotta get the word out PROT WARR IS HERE. AND WE ARE STRONGER THAN EVER
strong forum
our best shot currently is just sense
shut summit
We started getting to 28s and already getting tired of keys...
toxic pewter
Because even now a prot warr who has solid sheild block usage, nice banner uptime, a great leader.... was just declined from a 17 DOS
shut summit
Idk how these people do it
cobalt seal
Because even now a prot warr who has solid sheild block usage, nice banner uptim...
So?
toxic pewter
So?
I am that warrior in spirit. We all are.
We must attain the meta again. We must bring back our former glory.
cinder storm
Nah
toxic pewter
I will see it done.
chilly brook
I wouldn’t mind pushing keys
strong forum
and i am that warrior out of spite
chilly brook
But finding a group
cobalt seal
Lol
chilly brook
And then all the other effort for like no reward
toxic pewter
we will change the 'meta'
strong forum
alright calm down there
toxic pewter
i Believe
chilly brook
Truth be told there’s just no incentive to bother pushing high keys
cinder storm
No one here is bad, we just need better dps
toxic pewter
Truth be told there’s just no incentive to bother pushing high keys
I will admit I am inclined to agree. Since i got hero its like uhhh wat now
cobalt seal
@toxic pewter stop the copium/trolling
toxic pewter
😢
chilly brook
And go under the radar.
Big facts
Blizz slaps the hell out of warrior on any spec anytime it’s actually good
toxic pewter
Yeah true being an underdog does feel good
waxen orbit
Idk how these people do it
Crack
I unironically know someone who went top 20 IO on fire last patch who railed adderall before every key
Not gonna say who it is for their privacy but just saying the push is fuckin real
strong forum
not as uncommon as you think
waxen orbit
No I know, I've done it before but I'm prescribed adderall
strong forum
i remember a famous document of a guild on advising safe adderall usage for raiding
back in wod or mop
waxen orbit
Please send
strong forum
its been years since ive seen that
waxen orbit
Nothing new for a world firster/top ranker/pusher to abuse prescriptions but definitely an interesting facet of the M+ community
waxen orbit
First I want to say that alot of people are really handling this poorly, and their poor planning and overall lack of flexibility in their diet during progression has cost us alot of time, and with shitka finishing just an hour or so behind us last tier its important to minimize time wasted.
If you plan on taking Adderall or some sort of amphetamine or amphetamine-derivative at any point, you need to make an extra effort to stay hydrated and properly fed. CNS stimulants of this sort speed metabolism and suppress appetite, which means that the tendancy is to "burn" more energy and take in less.
fickle ingot
Ok and I am understanding that more each time I bring something like this Up . I...
There is truth in your words
waxen orbit
The things people do to themselves…..
Just the two major points that stood out to me
strong forum
it was literally the only thing the game had to offer prior to legion
besides obv much better pvp aswell
mighty valley
it would be better to say "hey don't take unprescribed amphetamines to play a video game" but honestly telling people who are gonna do it anyway to try and be safe is better than pretending no one's gonna
the most objectionable part of this to me is the 10 minute meal break lol
chrome falcon
i also hate breaks but they're necessary
mighty valley
sure but when you're going all day, breaks are good for the brain, and might as well line them up with meals
strong forum
well yea
chrome falcon
when you're in the zone it sucks though
definitely had nights where we were getting <5% pulls
took a break
and then just p1 wipes
mighty valley
yeah
it's gonna be interesting to see how guilds react if any future raids are as long as sepulcher
gonna be won and lost on people management
strong forum
id think nobody involved was happy about the length of this tier
neither blizzard nor the raiders
minor helm
If it became habit it would die
mighty valley
i think it could've been exciting and cool if A) they could've estimated that it would take longer and planned around it
hazy edge
Blizz has already said they are going to try and prevent tiers from being as long as this sepulchur
mighty valley
and B) if there's a loot system that's better for the RWF without just being worse for 99% of players
yeah, i think it's cool to break the "ends right after the first reset" pattern
minor helm
Sylv died in first reset
ocean yoke
catalyst is great, if it was available earlier that wouldve helped it quite a bit
minor helm
According to max sire could have died in first reset
mighty valley
i don't think catalyst was a huge part of it, they would've done the same splits regardless, and gear was less make-or-break for jailer than just brains melting down
mighty valley
Sylv died in first reset
yeah guess i mean "lasts 7-8 days"
hazy edge
If Sepulchur ended around 10-11 days it would have been an amazing tier
urban portal
i think people predicted this
the boss was either balanced around 4p/double leggos, meaning you cant clear until week 3
hazy edge
Yeah
strong forum
100%
urban portal
or balanced around no double leggos which will then be a joke for 90% of the players
hazy edge
double leggos needed to be available mythic week 1
and things would have been a lot better
hazy edge
can't do mythic week 2 cause if the fights weren't tuned well, then NA would just destroy on reset and the "16 hour head start" would actually have mattered
jagged pier
it has to ither be day before reset or around 10 days
so the 16 hours doesnt reall matter
and if its before reset its usually eu that kill it because they havnt been held up with boss changes and tuning etc
which US does
they loose hours to that
hazy edge
Yup
chrome falcon
tbf
even if it was balanced "around" not having that stuff
those were still mechanics fights
and fucking hard ones
hazy edge
the "16 hours" usually ends up being closer to 6-8 because of maintenance
hazy edge
those were still mechanics fights
100%
jagged pier
well yer no one expected halondrus
but tbf at the base the mechanics are all very very simple
but together
they were a monster of a fight
chrome falcon
jailer too though
not really a gear fight at all just very hard to figure the strat mechanically
jagged pier
yer but they usually expect the last fight to be several 100 pulls
not 7/11
and 8/11
and 9/11 and 10/11
to be all 100+ pulls
hazy edge
9 and 10 were sub 200 for most of the top 5 iirc
pretty sure rygalon was sub 100 for a few of them as well
but yeah anduin and halondrus were HARD checks
mighty valley
still blizzard clearly thinks they overshot since this is the most nerfed raid in recent history
jagged pier
well when u dont have to play around making a strat they are less
hazy edge
True
jagged pier
like both limit and echo pulls rygelon before it got nerfed right
dark lark
but yeah anduin and halondrus were HARD checks
Rygelon was also incredibly tight during prog. So many wipes for both sides during the last few milliseconds of Big/Massive(?) Bang
It looked very well tuned though
hazy edge
Rygalon was very well tuned as a penultimate boss
The only thing that kinda stained it, was the timer "bug" that added quite a few wipes to Liquid's prog
dark lark
The one that shifted the spell queue by 6 seconds right
hazy edge
Yeah
It added like 60 pulls to Liquid's prog or something
They had a giga low % wipe because of it, that would have been a kill if it wasn't for the bug
hazy edge
Yup
blazing condor
skill diff tbh
cinder storm
oh, asa is one of andy's mods
theorycrafter, andy's mod, wa creator, what dont you do?
hazy edge
Not much lol
jagged pier
sick sentinel
wait
where can i see a list of everything that changes if i go alliance or horde now
toxic pewter
not much has changed really
just a lot of people going dwarf because of their op racial
sick sentinel
do you lose reknown points and maw quests and crap
sick sentinel
i'd wonder if i'd lose the anima and upgrades and soldiers at missions
toxic pewter
na covenant stuff transfers over
sick sentinel
i want to go dwarf just so i can mog boots and face again,
toxic pewter
hah youre tauren right
nice a fellow furry, I am a vulpera myself. Furries unite!!!!
restive sage
i'd wonder if i'd lose the anima and upgrades and soldiers at missions
why would you lose any of that
there's no difference between the factions for that stuff
toxic pewter
only thing that you lose is your quest log empties
strong forum
you've never lost any progress when faction changing.
except your current quests
IN ALL OF WOW HISTORY
toxic pewter
Did your raider.io transfer successfully and everything? Do I have to do anything to trigger that
urban portal
just refresh it
toxic pewter
Ok
toxic pewter
ya cuz they have thick soles
sick sentinel
we invented these things called socks and shoes
toxic pewter
why would a troll need socks and shoes
sick sentinel
boots even
toxic pewter
ill admit trolls should get boots
but furry races it just is what it is
worgen dont wear boots either
and draenei
waxen orbit
I still have people telling me "prot warr bad" this season KEK
toxic pewter
the major furry races
sick sentinel
i don't even dislike them, just, of putting, good if your a shaman or druid or something else that changes forms i suppose
waxen orbit
As if it's still S2
jagged pier
I still have people telling me "prot warr bad" this season KEK
i convinced a dps warrior to reroll because i did more damage than him 
sick sentinel
i'm a socks and shoes guys
jagged pier
but prot bad
sick sentinel
protects my feets from being stabbed by sharp pokey things and other hot or cold things
minor helm
i convinced a dps warrior to reroll because i did more damage than him <:okayge:...
Pls dont pick on me with ur prot buds 
jagged pier
Pls dont pick on me with ur prot buds <:sadge:820202363359854633>
i dont think it was u
waxen orbit
Prot warr BIS warr DPS spec
waxen orbit
Simp role
waxen orbit
<:oldwisetodu:934385748239609856>
minor helm
dawn canyon
sick sentinel
what ally races are best for us anyway
dawn canyon
rat
sick sentinel
human and dwarf obviously
dawn canyon
vulpera
sick sentinel
thats hord though and feet furry
dawn canyon
and?
sick sentinel
rather be ally if i have chance i think
sick sentinel
remove bleed and diisease, negates TOP and halls, i'm sold
strong forum
Any debuff really
sick sentinel
curses as well
strong forum
Besides tank specific mechanics in raid or say hoa last boss, and muehzalahs
sick sentinel
+2% in crit, haste mastery and versa + get out of stun is really fucking overpowered as well on human, very difficult remove a stun effect, bop maybe with macro cancelaura
strong forum
It's not +2%
Its 2% increased gain
So it's crit X 1.02%
For every 100 crit rating you instead get 102 as human
potent anvil
Are there any stuns for a tank that human would be good for? All I can think of is like 2nd boss Halls. I went human, and as a dps it's kind of more useful than as a tank imo.
strong forum
Na human isn't as useful in pve
lofty widget
ardenweald 
sick sentinel
urh if u stand in it lol
potent anvil
It's great on first boss streets. Bladestorm and human racial work on imprison as a dps.
mighty valley
do they still get 10% rep
strong forum
Yes
sick sentinel
nah theres a few stuns in m+ just not alot i can think of
mighty valley
best trait
potent anvil
There are a few stuns that affect non-tanks for sure. DoS manastorms, the robo-dog in that wing.
But as a tank, I'd play dwarf. I prefer dark iron because 4% movespeed 🏃♂️
sick sentinel
kinda want to go mechagnome and replicate my self
strong forum
Mechagnome is just a poor mans draenei
sick sentinel
that heal over time they have is good as shi
strong forum
Draenei gets perma Str and a hot
Whereas mechagnome gets a ramping Str buff and has a smol cheat death
potent anvil
Mechagnome is more for dps. I suppose the auto-heal is kinda nice. The clones act like fade, clones goto the top of the list but you can out-threat them if you keep attacking.
strong forum
Doesn't draenei get more Str than mecba
sick sentinel
its good because you can use it on your self or others, fits naturally into any healer kit
potent anvil
Doesn't draenei get more Str than mecba
Mecha is constant primary. It's almost very hard to drop all stacks unless you somehow not engage within 10s.
But even then stacks drop by 1 per 10s
Or w/e the duration is.
I forget how much it gives at level 60, but afaik mechagnome is kinda one of the best QoL races
potent anvil
I dunno the numbers to either
strong forum
It's 32 mainstat for mecha
sick sentinel
mecha is always a cooking and smithing spot and lock picking, and heals at low hp
sick sentinel
probably really good sleeper race for a healer or caster
potent anvil
How is it 32? Stacks to x10.
strong forum
Stacks to 8 according to wowhead
potent anvil
They buffed it in 9.0 iirc
That's level 1
I dunno the number at 60
Mwahi...
potent anvil
Yeah, I think mecha > draenei. But I dunno
sick sentinel
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=312923/combat-analysis#comments nvm they fixed that one seems like
says 4 primary
potent anvil
They both seem close assuming sims are correct. I'm human for reference.
sick sentinel
"This decays at the same rate it generates, meaning that it will actually be possibly to go from one enemy to another without the buff fully decaying. In a fast paced dungeon you might very well keep it up with near 100% uptime at ten stacks. Pretty powerful all things considered, the only real drawback is it does limit your opening burst for stuff like hunters, mages, and rogues."
potent anvil
It decays 1 stack per, so I guess they changed it to 5s. I thought it was 10s.
Yeah
I would probably consider mechagnome just for the QoL racials. Being able to craft whereever, auto heal, and a pseudo-fade ability (mostly as dps, might have some niche tank uses).
potent anvil
sick sentinel
gnome has bigger rage bar
potent anvil
Dark Iron > Regular
ionic fern
As long as it's a dwarf.
potent anvil
ionic fern
jagged pier
toxic pewter
What about panda prot warr
toxic pewter
<:gladge:963970137701109820>
I wish that was me 😔
pallid quiver
fucking gnooooooomes
Dwarves are cool
potent anvil
I'm gonna probably level mecha for heritage armor. Only way.
toxic pewter
If I had kul tiran I would be them. I want that haymaker tbh
pallid quiver
I'll join a guild with humans, dwarves, space elves, space cow brothers and sisters, tree huggers and all, but gnomes?
they're simply for punting, speaking as a horde cow
toxic pewter
Gnome actually op race
Mechagnome too
Gnome got more rage haste get out of roots and crap
Actually not bad for a prot warr
mighty valley
mechagnome could have 10% bonus primary stat and i still wouldn't want to look like that
toxic pewter
What race are you now
mighty valley
nightborne
toxic pewter
Oh shit
I can’t deny. That’s actually bad ass
Nightborne warrior looks cool as hell
mighty valley
Most important racial buff
mighty valley
I mean that looking cool is the most important
mighty valley
Slow doesn't come up often, usually beaten by something else in the group
toxic pewter
Yah true
Either way they do look cool
And I love how rare they are
I sort of want to make one now
Do you think a group of players judge a tank on how they look
I realize this may seem like a dumb question but is there something to be said
Maybe subconsciously even
mighty valley
Hard to say since I'm always the tank and everyone judges me as Very Cool
toxic pewter
Like you’re not even trolling to be honest
It actually does come into play
Like they see you and then they see a small Mechagnome
mighty valley
Honestly though if I grouped with a gnome warrior I'd feel like there's someone who's confident in themselves
toxic pewter
Do you think something changes even if it’s immeasurable
Ok good point there too
I play Vulpera and I don’t really get that many judgemental comments
Have had a few here and there
sick sentinel
kultiran has versa and a bitch slap
toxic pewter
kultiran has versa and a bitch slap
Ya and they heal some of the dmg they take over 4 seconds or something
toxic pewter
Foxes are cool
Ya I love my Vulpera warr. I really do
mighty valley
Kultirans get that sick jacket too
sick sentinel
Kul tiran and worgen transmog so cool lol
toxic pewter
LOL holy shit
sick sentinel
toxic pewter
That’s amazing 😂 I LOVE IT
blazing condor
thats the man of veal
strong forum
thats the man of veal
toxic pewter
Apparently Mechagnome is the least played prot warr race
brazen yarrow
beautiful
blazing condor
probably least played _
brazen yarrow
mind a piece list?
toxic pewter
Nightborne has more prot warr representation
sick sentinel
where pepegacard option
i'd have to start playin on an ally toon at 60 see what happens i guess
toxic pewter
Just need level 50 to be honest
To unlock the allied races
Even human is still considered by many to be the best race in the game
toxic pewter
They get 2% dr to be fair.
dawn canyon
Next to like the suramar guys
Compared to ztrol
Their Story thing is x4 the length
sick sentinel
my friend and i made toons to go "investigate" moongaurd goldshire, made a kul tiran called himself "fattydaddy" claimed he had a few ppl try to dm him
toxic pewter
LOL
brazen yarrow
investigate eu argent dawn
toxic pewter
Yes…. “Investigate”
brazen yarrow
get siphylis speedrun
toxic pewter
I’m sure you were “sickened” by what you witnessed
waxen orbit
Goldshire is kind of the worst part of Moon Guard. Most of us on MG fucking revile that place
sick sentinel
i didn't really want to go along but i did for a minute or 2
waxen orbit
There's lots of predators there bro lmao
sick sentinel
you just hear it and think wtf no way that exists so you go, and sure enough
dawn canyon
There's lots of predators there bro lmao
Rp being 13 year old and make Bank then report for being pedos
blazing condor
did that once and they all got hired by blizzard
toxic pewter
Lmao
waxen orbit
Rp being 13 year old and make Bank then report for being pedos
I did that except I was actually 13 and I'd tell people and report anyone that took the bait
dawn canyon
brazen yarrow
blazing condor
sick sentinel
toxic pewter
Wat every1 doin
waxen orbit
Typical 18 year old problems, yknow, having lady troubles and minmaxing in a dying game to get my mind off it
toxic pewter
Typical 18 year old problems, yknow, having lady troubles and minmaxing in a dyi...
Yep lol
craggy pilot
Typical 18 year old problems, yknow, having lady troubles and minmaxing in a dyi...
dont worry brother, its the exact same at 29
life is nothing but repetition 🤣
mighty valley
simply marry someone who also plays the dying game
craggy pilot
simply marry someone who also plays the dying game
do they exist?
mighty valley
i mean my wife plays wow
craggy pilot
yea, thats the issue, all girls that play WoW are in relationship 😄
but right now im just dying to unsub tbh
strong forum
Just so nobody can fault me.
Codex has been fixed
craggy pilot
my guild still 8/11 HC 😦
strong forum
It's still shit for us
craggy pilot
fixed how?
strong forum
But it's back go being a 10% DR trinket when it's up
craggy pilot
oh it got broken in the 9.2.5?
stuck kite
Which then lead to blizz fixing it
they fixed it?
mighty valley
when did you get anduin? weird to get stuck at 8/11 hc, the next two are a lot easier imo
strong forum
they fixed it?
Tooltip is now 10k+
stuck kite
oh ok
strong forum
And it does what the tooltip says
craggy pilot
when did you get anduin? weird to get stuck at 8/11 hc, the next two are a lot e...
14 days ago. But i been away for like 2 weeks since cus of real life stuff
so the guild cant prog without me 😄
they had a full day of wipes on Rygelon, and a full day of wipes on Lords
craggy pilot
Tooltip is now 10k+
did they change it in the 9.2.5 patch? or did it just accidentaly get bugged?
craggy pilot
rygelon was nerfed so hard
maybe that will help us 😄
doesnt seem theres a lot of different HC stuff on Lords?
just the stuff gets progressively more deadly
craggy pilot
Bug
haha ok weird 😄
😭
get me off mr bones wild ride
also during the 2 weeks i been off, 2 days of the 4 raid days were cancelled due to not enough healers
cinder nova
You best be doing at least 20k leaving first LK
mighty valley
doesnt seem theres a lot of different HC stuff on Lords?
yeah especially for us there's basically no difference but everything matters more, swarm phase is healer check, people really better start dodging bugs
lavish oracle
does worldkiller iris have a higher stat budget than pieces of the same ilvl?
Oh, nvm, seems about right
Why does some gear say 14/14 on R.io? is it just vault pieces or is there a way to unlock 2 extra upgrade tiers
dawn canyon
yep
12 is max for valor
13 and 14 are vault only
if you have a 13 be ashamed btw
lavish oracle
Okay, that's what I thought
kinda hoped there was a way to get 278s with valor though, that'd be nice 😄
chrome falcon
the way is by getting 272s with your valour then doing 15s
dawn canyon
no luck
chrome falcon
lavish oracle
🙃
toxic pewter
Lol
onyx vessel
crimson marsh
Does hoa on fort feel like the hardest dungeon for prot
onyx vessel
For pugs its hard
undone verge
I went in there with a group who didn’t kick and it was hell
lavish oracle
I'm not looking forward to a world where dps can just not spec into kicks
more healers with kicks is neat, tho
wheat shadow
Does hoa on fort feel like the hardest dungeon for prot
Bleeds, lots of casts that may or may not soak a kick (like the curses) so the wicked bolts go through
Hardest to facetank imo
Unless you count Streets 1st part where everyone and their mums is packing a tankbuster
toxic pewter
I find HOA to be difficult even on tyrannical… the second boss can be no joke
All around it’s definitely not the easiest dungeon
Personally one of the more difficult ones in my opinion
toxic pewter
Yes i hate dos as well
Dos my least favorite dungeon they’ve ever made to be honest
And I’ve played a long time
stoic igloo
Dos is better than alliance siege
median tulip
I'm not looking forward to a world where dps can just not spec into kicks
It'll just become a world in which we have a weakaura or add-on that tells us if the DPS skipped their kick
stoic igloo
Imo
median tulip
PF is worse than DOS
toxic pewter
I dislike PF as well but DOS still worse for me
I honestly can’t wait to forget shadowlands dungeons to time
south shuttle
some of the pack on the middle platforms in DOS are terrifying to me as prot
but the rest of the dungeon is just fine
hardy ridge
Track kicks, make sure to interrupt deathbolt or reflect if its going through
median tulip
DOS has the virtue of letting you know upfront if you can't handle it; if you can kill the first two platforms, you should be good for the rest of it
hardy ridge
Shadowcore* not death bolt
ocean yoke
i really like the tazavesh dungeons, streets is a bit annoying with the rp but its a good dungeon despite it
onyx vessel
Streets is annoying cuz of the bug
Opening the door while in cb bricks key
Well can brick it
chilly brook
Both of the Tazavesh dungeon wings are top
Only downside with gambit is second boss is mid
toxic pewter
Tazavesh owns agreed
toxic pewter
Whats this upcoming weeks affixes
TYRANNICAL, RAGING, VOLCANIC, ENCRYPTED
Next week not awful if I say so
onyx vessel
TYRANNICAL, RAGING, VOLCANIC, ENCRYPTED
inner forge
Anyway to zoom the camara out anymore? The script/console commands don't work anymore. As a tauren prot warrior sometimes it's hard to see stuff on the floor etc
toxic pewter
Anyway to zoom the camara out anymore? The script/console commands don't work an...
They removed it from settings a while ago that’s for sure. Not sure how to zoom out even more these days
vernal vale
sleek current
PF def worst instance
I really like Plaguefall. Especially if you have a purge in the party. We can spell reflect Slime Injection, first boss, is cake with a Monk, Hunter or Druid. Third boss is chips with Heroic Leap, Charge and Intervene. Last boss is just around fun mechanically. I only wish you spent more time dodging tentacles while also fighting the boss.
No trash in that dungeon is difficult in my opinion.
hardy ridge
I really like Plaguefall. Especially if you have a purge in the party. We can sp...
What lvl keys are you running
sleek current
+16 at the moment. Will be pushing next week.
urban portal
First boss is a monster on tyr weeks with suboptimal comps
Though it did get better in 9.1 now that ppl are actually necro
hardy ridge
The trash between first and 2nd boss gets scarier on higher keys
There isnt much dmg in 16s
urban portal
Last boss is also insane on tyr with no disease dispel
sleek current
Spires is the worst dungeon for me personally. So much magic damage. If someone uses the spear in the wrong place, you'll get slapped by insideous venom.
hardy ridge
You can reflect that
urban portal
You should shockwave to line them up, then reflect all at once
hardy ridge
^
urban portal
And spear doesn’t matter, you get 1 spear the whole dungeon
The 2nd one comes too late
sleek current
The trash between first and 2nd boss gets scarier on higher keys
Yeah but, I find them rather easy to kite. We've been pushing with a Monk so, I've had the pleasure of Ring of Peace the entire time.
sleek current
You can reflect that
True, it just doesn't always work out. It's easier if you spear the Goliath + Patrol pack then I can SR the first cast after the spear ends.
urban portal
Though it’s objectively true that plague fall is easy dungeon since it’s on par with necrotic wake with how much people pushed it
hardy ridge
Ye im not really worried about the birds casting venom, usually its not interrupting fist and other stuff that makes the key spooky
urban portal
Dark lash on random players
hardy ridge
Ye
hardy ridge
HoA much scacier imo when a few bolts go through
hardy ridge
Yep
urban portal
You are also encouraged to pull huge on hoa
sleek current
For real. Only dungeon I've struggled with to be honest SoA.
So far I've enjoyed HoA but, I suppose that might change as we climb to 20. Haha.
urban portal
Soa as a tank is so easy
Hoa is quite a bit harder
Soa has no tank busters on packs at all
hardy ridge
HoA you need to dodge frontals, kick bolts, kite dogs
If they get big
1 mistake ur dead
crimson marsh
For real. Only dungeon I've struggled with to be honest SoA.
So far I've enjoye...
It will
sleek current
Deadly Thrust is deceptive as well.
crimson marsh
I've done all keys on 21 but I can't get past 20 hoa on fort
sleek current
No obvious animation that it's coming so kind of have to rely on DBM telling me Frontal Incoming. Haha.
sleek current
Other than watching the cast. Which can be tricky sometimes with managing the Gorgons.
At +16 with 267 iLvl. I wouldn't try to soak a deadly Thrust. It does 80% of my health.
hardy ridge
Damn that seems like a lot
sleek current
Then again, I've not sat there and tested the exact damage, just know my health disappears fast if I get hit by it. Typically avoid it whether it'll hurt me or not.
onyx vessel
sleek current
Next week looks pretty good to be honest.
hardy ridge
What is it? Im a filthy raid logger rn
sleek current
Raging and Volcanic on Tyr
hardy ridge
Raging fort is deadly
And not only not only for the tank :p
Try having raging lashes go out
onyx vessel
Its raging tyr
hardy ridge
Ohh
onyx vessel
hardy ridge
Ye that better then
onyx vessel
I dont think they have a fort raging
urban portal
There was last season I though
hardy ridge
I recall one
urban portal
Yeah
sleek current
I wouldn't run that week anyway. 😂
hardy ridge
Neways im out got a final tomorrow, gl with the pushing homie
glacial swift
Im reading the pin about codex trinket. It seemed broken since 9.2.5 but a hotfix came out today. Is there an updated verdict perhaps?
sleek current
Good luck mate!
sleek current
Im reading the pin about codex trinket. It seemed broken since 9.2.5 but a hotfi...
To be honest, I'm not sure if those address the issue most people complain about and that's the fact the trinket can accidentally hit mobs on the opposite side of the dungeon.
I'll do some testing later and see if I can reproduce the issue now with the hotfixes.
hardy ridge
Im reading the pin about codex trinket. It seemed broken since 9.2.5 but a hotfi...
The bug where you pull if you target another mob while being hit?
glacial swift
The ninja reflects can no longer be done. Im talking about the effects the trinkets supposed to offer us. They received a fix as well. Scaling with ilvl
sleek current
If it works as intended, it's BiS, if it doesn't. I'll leave it in my bags again.
glacial swift
I was really fond of this trinket prior to 9.2.5. Looking for an alternative in case this one now is shit
onyx vessel
Haste trinket
glacial swift
The pins on discord state to stay away from it. In contrast to earlier msgs
onyx vessel
Best would be old warrior soul from last tier 259 plus scale
hardy ridge
Without looking too deeply into, the changes seem like a nerf if anything
They added a cap to the dmg reduction
toxic pewter
Scale and soleah is pretty good
glacial swift
Ok thanks for the feedback
onyx vessel
Yesh
hardy ridge
Meaning it also reflects dmg up to the cap so its weaker offensively and defensively
hardy ridge
But some1 can correct me if im wrong
sleek current
IQD is pretty nice to be honest.
sleek current
You can get away with using it twice usually. I use it in Mythic+ a fair bit. It's saved my bacon once or twice.
jagged pier
Im reading the pin about codex trinket. It seemed broken since 9.2.5 but a hotfi...
it was aweful for use before the bug/nerf/fix
so its still aweful now
ionic fern
strong forum
Verdict is still the same for codex
jagged pier
:noted:
strong forum
It's worse than it was pre-bug and remains only useful for vdh and bdk in ultra keys
jagged pier
but but Nome Tattman is still running it C:
strong forum
Huge 300 dps/hps dude
crude notch
but but Nome Tattman is still running it C: <:keks:936231610850897992>
Tryna find who asked.
lucid pasture
Tryna find who asked.
jagged pier
some one will come in today tomorrow doesnt matter talk about how to top prots are using it
lucid pasture
Yea and someone Will call you a bozo too
hearty terrace
Hey guys 🙂 I been told so much that Warrior is so bad but I’ve been seeing more and more warriors in keys is it just people being omg it’s not a BDK so your bad
sacred salmon
Hey guys 🙂 I been told so much that Warrior is so bad but I’ve been seeing more...
i started yesterday and can't complain - very fun 🙂
chilly brook
Prot is legit resident sleeper tank
hearty terrace
Prot is legit resident sleeper tank
That’s what I’ve thought it’s like 3rd on DPS now ?
chilly brook
Idk why I’m awake
lucid pasture
People Are so caught up in fotm that they forget they Arent doing +29s
chilly brook
That’s what I’ve thought it’s like 3rd on DPS now ?
Best execute class in the game
lucid pasture
Comp doesnt matter in a +20 if the players Are ok andys
jagged pier
Idk why I’m awake
then go to bed
chilly brook
then go to bed
Yes dad
sleek current
Prot has been dealing with a negative perception since the beginning of Shadowlands. We got slapped hard when we lost Azerite abilities and it's easy for Blood DK to scale compared to Prot.
I think the cap on Ignore Pain is too low. It'd be nice if we could cap it out at 70% of our health instead of the 21k it is now. Often that's one or two hits and it's gone for 80 - 120 rage in cost. 🙃
strong forum
Not wrong
If IP was that large we'd be fucking OP
However
The "bdk scale compared to prot" is absolutely wrong
sleek current
Prot does scale well, just not as well as BDK in my opinion.
strong forum
All tanks scale the same, the only reason why bdk is in such a favourable position is because of simply having the better tierset
All tanks scale linear
jagged pier
And an easier teir set
strong forum
The meme that bdk gets stronger throughout the expansion compared to other tanks is just a meme
If they hadn't gotten the tier in a way hey have now, they'd be bottom of the barrel
sleek current
Fair enough. I don't know much about their tier set to be honest.
sleek current
Really?! 😱
jagged pier
Permant 80% parry and 40% str
Dont forget its easy to keep up as well compared to banner
dawn canyon
Really?! 😱
That's the nerfed Version
It's used to be 70% str
So double the Banner
For free
sleek current
I haven't used banner yet. Thinking of switching to it soon but, 2 minutes to move it. Have to really think about which packs you want to use it on, compared to SoB which I can use every 30 seconds sometimes.
sleek current
But, you have to move it right? And that can only be done by casting it again, I thought.
sleek current
Ooooh.
strong forum
It doesn't extend the duration on allies, it's your personal buff
sleek current
I'm misremembering. 😂
strong forum
They get the first 15sec of the application, but for you it's a 30-40% dmg buff and a 30%+ defensive increase for as long as you can keep it up
onyx vessel
I cant keep it up
strong forum
strong forum
Booming viagra voice
dawn canyon
proper play hard drugs
onyx vessel
Very hard to keep banner up in keys
jagged pier
not really
strong forum
Banner is a great benchmark of your capabilities
If you can keep it up for long, you're extremely likely to play well ;)
onyx vessel
jagged pier
Last key tanked #1 dmg was tclap
