Synchronized swimming
#protection
waxen orbit
strong forum
It's better to use Outburst on TC than wait for 2-3gcds to fish for an SS proc through devastator
jagged pier
:hmmNod:
jagged pier
i mean we found out about this already
but it was already a dogshit trinket
even worse now
strong forum
I made it into a wowhead post, yey
oblique garnet
Thats not a dps trinket
ionic fern
^
jagged pier
i mean its not a trinket tbh
onyx matrix
Which trinket
oblique garnet
Codex
stuck kite
What trinket to replace the codex?
strong forum
A) you should've never run codex to begin with
B) literally any trinket with Str is better
strong forum
Soleah/scale/elegy/ows/phial/matrix/decanter/afe
Even fucking bladedancer kit is better
jagged pier
thats one of our better ones
sick sentinel
Why do people say things like "dont run this" when literally 25% of the prot warrior player base is running it in high level keys?
strong forum
Cuz they're wrong
Simple as that
That's why we fought such a war against the trinket
jagged pier
i mean top prot warriors are playing HR and getting 60% blocked hits in a key
i wouldnt trust that judgement
strong forum
Cuz people blindly use it without even knowing if its actually good or not
And now it's 100% confirmed utter trash
jagged pier
also from the mouth of a andy
https://clips.twitch.tv/SparklySoftDelicataCopyThis-sHsUULStgXrlaqcZ
and hes playing a bdk there
which always got far more out of it than prot ever did
sick sentinel
So the top three warriors in the world are running it, but tis trash.... how does that even make sense?
jagged pier
again just because they are top doesnt mean they are correct
just having a push group makes u a top warrior nowadays
u dont even have to be good
strong forum
Tattman gets 300dps and 200hps out of codex in a 27 key
Literally
Nothing
Absolutely useless
sick sentinel
Saying 3700 players are terrible...
jagged pier
well if you look at their logs, yes
pallid quiver
i mean, based on their logs and how they're pressing buttons, yeah
strong forum
Nerf is the best example
He's quite staggeringly bad at the tanks he's playing
But he's good at playing dungeons
oblique garnet
Game easy players bad
lime urchin
I am curious what that ‘bad’ is compared to. What is then reference of good?
sick sentinel
Yeah, not sure
strong forum
He's literally misusing CDs
Underusing CDs
Sitting on buttons for too long
Facetanking without mitigation up
jagged pier
u can literally compare him to Nome
or me
or mwahi
or sense
or any average prot warrior
strong forum
In terms of Nextback for example, he's blocking insanely low amounts
Not using outbursts correctly
The logs I checked his block% were in the low 60%
jagged pier
☝️
lime urchin
I see, I haven’t seen their logs.
strong forum
:)
jagged pier
yep
jagged pier
☝️
jagged pier
like i get 80% without HR and without trying
oblique garnet
Nome pay my sub and ill get rank 1 warrior
jagged pier
they just have groups
strong forum
Sense is working on it dw
Also to mention
Nobody of the top 5 pwars has a stable team afaik
They're all just pug heros
lime urchin
Yea Sense is doing a new round of pushing!
jagged pier
They're all just pug heros
:noted:
oblique garnet
I dont believe that sense is actually pushing
strong forum
He faction changed to alliance, but yeah I think he's just doing keys
lime urchin
Well, I mean doing a new round of higher keys
strong forum
And just so happens to be 3.6k in the process
lime urchin
New videos on the youtubes
oblique garnet
Cringe high key pushing 
oblique garnet
You can get high score by just playing alot with same group naturally
strong forum
Yeah
jagged pier
late when u coming back to beat my 15k rep bv no massive pull run?
strong forum
That's what happened to me in bfa
jagged pier
i've never had a group 
strong forum
I've always only played with the same 6 people in all of bfa
Feral, hunter, boomy, rsham, mage giga || trash || comp
lime urchin
Make frens Jakey!
oblique garnet
late when u coming back to beat my 15k rep bv no massive pull run?
Uhh ask again in couple of months
Also no fair you probably have mythic prot weapons
strong forum
Lower kara gna be new pad dungeon or
oblique garnet
I did that with 252 ones 
jagged pier
Uhh ask again in couple of months
well i do but i dont pull like you
oblique garnet
my friends wanted me to come back and tank for them
jagged pier
strong forum
All it requires is playing keys for 10hrs a day for a bit
oblique garnet
All it requires is playing keys for 10hrs a day for a bit
we ”pushed” keys in bfa playing max 4 hours a day every other day
strong forum
Well yeah that's still in the ballpark
oblique garnet
Boomer squad gets bored after 4 keys or so
jagged pier
<a:keksquad:766690598635044895> we ”pushed” keys in bfa playing max 4 hours a da...
who has that time?
oblique garnet
Exactly
strong forum
I was just throwing shade to "MY PUSH WEEK" people, cuz pushing keys is if anything just playing fuckloads of keys until you just get it
oblique garnet
Yup
strong forum
If you ain't doing 31s
Any week is push week
that's how SL came to be
The absolute best weeks are the 2 bursting weeks yes
But you can still "push" quite a bit during other weeks
oblique garnet
And going for rank 1 is pointless because youre eventually just gonna get beaten by the chinese who do nothing but keys or naowhs group
oblique garnet
Or andys
strong forum
Exactly that's what I was referring to
crude notch
I remember when playing video games were about having fun.
oblique garnet
If there was something other than title maybe id push keys
oblique garnet
I remember when playing video games were about having fun.
Thats a long time ago my friend
Now everyone plays videogames like its esports
jagged pier
I remember when playing video games were about having fun.
thats boomer talk right there
crude notch
Actually no it isn't.
jagged pier
games arent about fun
crude notch
There's no reason not to play video games for fun still.
oblique garnet
I play every game for fun
crude notch
Like Gromnak's take is shit.
jagged pier
its about keeping your mind occupied so you dont need to think about your life 
crude notch
If someone wants to do Push Week over raiding who cares let em.
Some people enjoy raiding some people enjoy M+ some people even enjoy stripping in goldshire for gold, who the hell cares what you enjoy in the game.
If someone wants to push for personal goals it's just as acceptable as not wanting to push for whatever reason.
jagged pier
if your in a raiding guild, like gromnaks you any mythic guild at least you would be expected to join raid as you are commited to raiding at the times the guild has agreed to raid, if its push week or not.
oblique garnet
^
crude notch
gromnak is irrelevant at this point, outside of his raging and hot takes.
jagged pier
you literally making an arguement based off what he said
ionic fern
You all suck.
My fun > your fun.
crude notch
I'm making an argument based on the idea that if you're not pushing 31s what are you really doing with your life dogshit mentality that a lot of people have.
Not just gromnak
Let people play the game and leave them tf alone.
jagged pier
that wasnt his point, his point was the fact the guy didnt want to raid because its push week,
when the person has commit to raid with the guild
at certain times
jagged pier
i would kick someone if they have commit to raid at certains times and they turn around and go oh its push week im not raiding
okay bye
oblique garnet
Imagine if a tank does that
crude notch
But no washed up streamer personality has to make a big deal about it.
oblique garnet
It essentially wasted 19 other peoples time
jagged pier
☝️
nothing wrong if the person wants to push
just do it on their own time
dont say you'll raid then go nah
and waste the teams time
crude notch
I guarantee we're missing context
And Gromnak isn't the holy torch carrier that you're claiming him to be off of one clip.
oblique garnet
The context was the guy decided to push keys instead of raiding without any notice prior to the raid
jagged pier
☝️
thats the big no no
and im using the clip as an example not claiming anything about gromnak hes not even the guy doing the kicking
oblique garnet
Im like 90% sure if you just give prior notice that you wont be raiding for a week for x reason its w/e
jagged pier
☝️
your put in the raid team u turn up on time
its simple as that
u dont want to raid just say
most ppl have enough for subs
crude notch
They brought in the dude a week prior.
jagged pier
but if its anything like my guild u need notice because the benched ppl will go do somthing else
crude notch
Dude was basically a trial
jagged pier
so even more reason for him to raid then
if your a trial
they sure didnt invite him to the guild to push keys
crude notch
You're missing the part where 3/4 of that clip isn't about the dude specifically it's about M+ players in general
jagged pier
its about ppl saying its push week when again as nome said
its push week every week unless your doing 31s
because thats where affixies actually matters
oblique garnet
Yes and no
crude notch
Regardless of your skill level push weeks are still a thing.
oblique garnet
Theres ofc some affixes that are omega free
oblique garnet
I heard this week is push week but i honestly have no idea whar the affixes are
Volcanic bursting?
crude notch
Bursting Storming I believe.
oblique garnet
Oh so extra free
crude notch
yea
strong forum
volcanic bursting tyra is in 7 weeks
crude notch
👍
strong forum
the next "ultra" push week
sage yacht
late why do you care what the affixes are you dont even play the game
crude notch
Because he wanted to know.
oblique garnet
late why do you care what the affixes are you dont even play the game<:sadge:820...
Yeah true my bad guess ill go now
$rename @sage yacht littleting
true pawnBOT
Done.
blazing condor
Gone reduced to atoms
sage yacht
LATE NOOOO
oblique garnet
Ok so i have this cool product where you get this real nice red coloring on your name + you get to be rank above all the other plebs
oblique garnet
LATE NOOOO
It was too long
sage yacht
that is correct in a way yes
oblique garnet
Fuck i forgot
sage yacht
no pls
oblique garnet
sage yacht
hi geegee im insane god gamer littleting
primal sentinel
🤣
ionic fern
$rename @sage yacht little
true pawnBOT
Done.
ionic fern
🙂
jagged pier
😮
oblique garnet
Mwahi woke up and chose violence
sage yacht
rolled and smoked man
oblique garnet
Yeah probably
But since im mostly on phone they come in with like 4 hour delay
You said 5 hours 40 minutes yeah?
Ill probably be sleeping by then
ionic fern
jagged pier
Ill probably be sleeping by then
fix
your
sleep
schedule
oblique garnet
I am fixing it as we speak
jagged pier
🤔
ionic fern
Have you tried exhausting your body before bed?
oblique garnet
fix
your
sleep
schedule
Also theres nothing wrong with my sleep schedule
oblique garnet
For what reason would i need to be awake at 4pm?
oblique garnet
im still working at that time
I only have some place to be next time on wednesday
jagged pier
:hmmNod:
oblique garnet
Working freelance is pretty chill
oblique garnet
you werent supposed to say that
ionic fern
oblique garnet
if i was freelance i would never work
ionic fern
He's a freelancing outsourcer.
Takes the job, adds +20% to his price and then outsorces it to India for 80% lower price.
oblique garnet
He's a freelancing outsourcer.
Takes the job, adds +20% to his price and then ou...
Cmon man im using fiverr for those so i keep like 95%
oblique garnet
Nah but in all seriousness been busy just cutting trees and shit helping parents with their company
Awful work but it pays decent
jagged pier
tbf cutting down trees is pretty pog
oblique garnet
tbf cutting down trees is pretty pog
Yeah no. +20 outside you are in the woods with no wind wearing protective clothing, carrying a big ass saw for 12hours
ionic fern
Have you heard of big vroomvroom tree cutters?
oblique garnet
Have you heard of big vroomvroom tree cutters?
Big vroomvroom cutters cant get through swamp
jagged pier
Have you heard of big vroomvroom tree cutters?
but vroomvroom tress cutters also cost like £1 million
short pawn
I find myself (especially in m+) getting overcapped at rage while having full Ignore pain aswell. So it feels like i very often have too much resources. Anyone else feels this way especially with 2 and 4 set? Feels kinda bad imo.
ionic fern
Easy fix.
Ignore the "Ignore pain being full".
Literally.
Just spam IP.
Don't even look at the value of IP.
IP is such a tiny absorb as it is and it's 100% better to overcap that than to overcap Rage.
deep solar
^ It feels kinda bad and inefficient but overcapping rage is a significantly worse and more inefficient
stuff like banner and anger management require us to be spam spending rage all the time
median tulip
I find myself (especially in m+) getting overcapped at rage while having full Ig...
Just spend the Rage. It is better to overcap IP than to overcap Rage.
lofty widget
just read the IP tooltip as : reduces CD of avatar and SW by 3.5 seconds, and heals you for 3.5 % of your HP
and it's already alot better than the tiny shield from IP
sick sentinel
https://clips.twitch.tv/HedonisticBelovedRavenPeteZaroll-47M96U7k10lmXzI7
thats a great clip
short pawn
Ty all 🙂
modern zephyr
Can I go for necro and still be competitive for raids and m+?
jagged pier
its our best covenant so yes
modern zephyr
Oh that's good to know, someone in trade was sayin Kyrian
cobalt seal
Oh that's good to know, someone in trade was sayin Kyrian
Why would you listen to trade chat
Its like asking for pwar help on feral druid chat
cobalt seal
What do i gain
cobalt seal
undone verge
Ok so like last night I was getting slapped my mobs, did I miss them buffing the dmg of some shit?
ionic fern
What mobs?
undone verge
Like I got one shot by double water bolt through ip
undone verge
That’s never happened before
cobalt seal
What lvl was it
blazing condor
undone verge
<:Spell_Reflection:289159828604059648>
On cd
blazing condor
dawn canyon
shockwave/pummel/blaim dps
undone verge
What lvl was it
A 15 which is weird because the only key it had previously one shot me was a 21
blazing condor
SW
dawn canyon
its fort
blazing condor
checked the deathlog?
undone verge
That’s what I’m saying
cobalt seal
If you had IP
dawn canyon
1 shot would be clean 100-0 in a global
dawn canyon
yknow what it mightve been
cobalt seal
Deathlog or didnt happen
dawn canyon
But I was like at least 75-0 through Ip
what kinda gear do you have for that to happen
cobalt seal
In a bit you gonna say
dawn canyon
250?
cobalt seal
30-0
undone verge
278
dawn canyon
is the key logged?
blazing condor
🪵
undone verge
Ye
Might have been just an unlucky circum cause we had a priest who was spamming heals when I pulled and I missed by opening thunderclap and had to do a bunch of bullshit grabbing aggro so idk
And I got one shot pretty far into the pull so might have been stacking enrage
blazing condor
well whatever it is it's probably nothing that's gonna happen again in the sense that "you've suddenly become squishy"
probably just unluck and enrage + other shit
sick sentinel
if its halls, just fuck halls fort in general
blazing condor
true
cobalt seal
if its halls, just fuck halls fort in general
Like 15's Halls hurt
sick sentinel
have to pull 80% of the trash before first boss, 80% of which is enraging dogs, helped by their houndmasters to deal more damage and put an inifnitely stacking bleed on you
cobalt seal
have to pull 80% of the trash before first boss, 80% of which is enraging dogs, ...
???
sick sentinel
then, you have to do a bunch of wierd LOS pulls, to get to 3rd boss after wo, invis is nothing
sick sentinel
they have 2 attacks what i know about, a bite and a bleed
cobalt seal
then, you have to do a bunch of wierd LOS pulls, to get to 3rd boss after wo, in...
Lol no
sick sentinel
rogue shiv hunter something and druid soothe are the 3 i believe
ionic fern
Only hard thing in halls is people not interrupting.
sick sentinel
curch room, only way i can describe it, 2 long lines of pews with people sitting in them with the ... venthyr guy at the top....
whattever he is, that room fuck that room too, because it seems like it should take 30s to 1:30 and often takes 2-4 minutes to clear, at least on fort
looks great, but annoying as shit for m+ not even a hard room to pull just annoying time waste room, speciallly if he heals up, that's on group i guess though
echo egret
Tonight is my first raid as Necrolord (used to be Kyrian) anything special ? Can I hope to maintain banner as long as in M+ ? Intervene the other tank on cooldown but not for special attacks we’re alternating ?
ionic fern
If you do it properly in m+ you won't have issues in raids.
errant nimbus
Has there been talks about the codex of the first technique nerfs yet?
ionic fern
Has there been talks about the codex of the first technique nerfs yet?
It was never a good trinket for us.
chrome falcon
codex was bad
ionic fern
So we don't really care.
chrome falcon
now it's atrocious
chrome falcon
Tonight is my first raid as Necrolord (used to be Kyrian) anything special ? Can...
depending on the boss, banner uptime in raids is much easier than m+
jagged pier
its even worse than 
chrome falcon
you only drop banner in raid during forced downtime or if you play bad
i just make my co-tank hold threat most of the time so i can focus on damage and just do reprisal stuff
errant nimbus
Ok, I saw a ton of prot wars using it on sub creation, I think it was third most common or something so was curious
jagged pier
like what those prot warriors have done is look at what the top of the other tanks are using
and as codex is good for all of them, or well was good for all of them bar us
they just copied without thinking about it
errant nimbus
Gotcha, ok thanks
echo egret
i just make my co-tank hold threat most of the time so i can focus on damage and...
Good, my cotank loves being the centre of attentions 🙂
cobalt seal
rogue shiv hunter something and druid soothe are the 3 i believe
What no lol
Its s3 and you still have no clue
What mobs do
echo egret
curch room, only way i can describe it, 2 long lines of pews with people sitting...
The goal of this room is to test your group :
Either you kill him fast enough before he heals (not doable in high keys I believe)
Or you are disciplined enough to kill all “tormented souls” first.
There’s nothing random in it.
chrome falcon
rogue shiv hunter something and druid soothe are the 3 i believe
you just stun the huntmaster and the enrage cast doesn't happen
cobalt seal
you just stun the huntmaster and the enrage cast doesn't happen
Thats Basic halls
Since week 1 of sl
chrome falcon
getting multiple KSMs without any idea what mobs do is somewhat impressive
cobalt seal
Last i remember
He just got his first ksm this season
He quit before the other ones
echo egret
And I think the huntmaster only casts Loyal Beasts at low health ?
wooden widget
There’s a delay to when they cast. Prolly like 3rd in their spell Q behind the jump and frontal shooty thing
It’s not health related afaik
Please correct me if I’m wrong.
blazing condor
dont think its health related
wooden widget
i just stun it
This tbh
echo egret
I’ve never seen them cast it at high health but that could be time-related only
wooden widget
Haven’t noticed any obvious pattern with when it’s cast. Also never looked into it. Stun if I can kite if it goes off
echo egret
Ofc I will test it in normal mode asap, it’s the kind of useless detail I like to know
jagged pier
its 40% hp or 30% somthing like that
honest acorn
in my experience houndmasters always spell queue rapid fire > shoot > loyal beasts
and if they're interrupted at any point during that sequence they'll start over
i dont think ive ever seen one just randomly throw out a loyal beasts cast
though im not positive about the "any point during that sequence", though ive never seen one cast it after being cced during or after rapid fire
strong forum
They always cast loyal beast at 50% hp
Only once in total
If you CC that specific loyal beasts cast, he'll never cast it again
cobalt seal
This
sour sedge
Hey, just got a warrior to 60, what's the best sequence of upgrades to spend my flux on to start with?
chrome falcon
for prot? reprisal is the only one you'll need
jagged pier
rep, unity, tier pieces
chrome falcon
well you don't need to spend flux on the quest unity right
get 4piece before you upgrade your unity
strong forum
id honestly just start with 262 leggos
jagged pier
yer but who wants a 265 unity piece
jagged pier
tbf its all farmable so u can just do what u want
sour sedge
That's probably a good idea, then keys can afford the 291 legendaries in time!
wooden widget
They always cast loyal beast at 50% hp
🤯 it’s incredible what you miss sometimes. I guess I never cared to notice a pattern because I always just stun it.
blazing condor
yeah its not something you really had to care about knowing cus its such a small detail
but cool nonetheless 
waxen orbit
https://www.wowhead.com/news/undocumented-nerfs-to-codex-of-the-first-technique-...
"another tank trinket this tier that's viable outside of scale/so'leah's? AAAAAAAABSOLUTELY NOT"
- Someone in my guild
Blizz really don't want any tank specs running anything aside So'leah's/Scale/Aegis/OWS
strong forum
toxic pewter
I wonder if people will use it less
strong forum
they should LOL
waxen orbit
dawn canyon
gingi repost
waxen orbit
Indeed
modern zephyr
noob question but how do you guys deal with all the buttons on prot?
i have an mmo mouse but i prefer not to use it tbh i like using my left hand for buttons more
cinder storm
jagged pier
noob question but how do you guys deal with all the buttons on prot?
u get used to it
modern zephyr
RIP
chrome falcon
mmo mice are pretty op though you should probably learn to use it if you have one
jagged pier
i think honestly they can be a bad thing
what if it breaks
u cant use half your shit
chrome falcon
yeah i mean i'm left-handed so they're hella hard to get
jagged pier
yes because i always want to buy 2 mice
chrome falcon
which is why i bought 3 last time they were on sale
jagged pier
my old keyboards work, my point is some ppl dont have the money to buy 2 mouses at a time
so if u get used to an mmo mouse its unlikely your old mouse would be one
craggy pilot
but what is the chance it breaks during a fight?
strong forum
craggy pilot
like if anything breaks, you just swap back keybindings, or buy replacement
jagged pier
but what is the chance it breaks during a fight?
thats not the point
craggy pilot
its a very weird agrument lol
jagged pier
its not a weird, i know ppl that legit learnt to play with an mmo mouse
/ got one
and when it broke they legit couldnt play the game
because they werent used to keybindings
because they legit relied on the mouse to much
hence why i always argue dont get one
alot of mouse these days come with 2 extra buttons
craggy pilot
if they "break" their mouse, and cant afford a new one, the issue would be the EXACT same if it was a keyboard that broke
sounds like they poor
jagged pier
keys boards are way cheaper than an mmo mouse
craggy pilot
not saying im an MMO mouse fan, but the argument is very weak
waxen orbit
That’s like saying “Yo, don’t buy a bread trimmer. What if it breaks? Just use scissors.”
craggy pilot
you can always get a cheap keyboard
people who cant afford keyboards, how do they afford sub?
craggy pilot
That’s like saying “Yo, don’t buy a bread trimmer. What if it breaks? Just use s...
😄
echo egret
The extra stuff I put on my MMO mouse (and it's "only" a Naga 7 thumb-buttons) are not vital, but quite practical (push-to-talk, autorun...).
I couldn't live without a tilt mouse though.
jagged pier
and he had to wait for his new mouse to come
ionic fern
I mean, that's on him.
craggy pilot
and he had to wait for his new mouse to come
could go to the shop 🤷♀️
waxen orbit
That’s entirely on him man lmao
craggy pilot
would have the same outcome if it was a keyboard
waxen orbit
What a niche situation
jagged pier
well not really because deal was online ofr the mouse
£5 in the shop for a keyboard tho
🤷
craggy pilot
its like saying "dont use headset, because pc speakers are way cheaper to replace, and you cant play without sound" 🤣
modern zephyr
is there a situation where you should use shield block together with ignore pain?
jagged pier
i dont play with sound?
i could legit just play with a desk mic
which i did for years
had a desk mic from the 90s
worked perfect
waxen orbit
is there a situation where you should use shield block together with ignore pain...
Yeah?
chrome falcon
i feel like the point jakey is making is very obvious and pretty fair
ionic fern
It takes like 1 day to get used to a keyboard again. 🥲
chrome falcon
don't over-rely on a mouse that might break
but also
if you can afford extra mice just buy extra mice
craggy pilot
dont over rely on anything
waxen orbit
Don’t over rely on your car either, shit might break
craggy pilot
play wow on a rock ❤️
urban portal
A mouse is much harder to get used than kb
chrome falcon
is there a situation where you should use shield block together with ignore pain...
keep shield block up WHENEVER you're being melee'd, IP is very very bad in terms of damage reduced per rage spent compared to shield block
craggy pilot
when exactly? like when you pull mobs that deal melee and range damage?
you will want to have SB up all the time when you are getting attacked, IP is only to avoid overcapping rage
echo egret
Don't rely on your heart, it can stop any time !
chrome falcon
ignore pain is there to dump extra rage
ionic fern
Ya, from KB to mouse it took longer ..when i need to play with a KB now it's like max 1 day of getting used to it again. 👀
waxen orbit
when exactly? like when you pull mobs that deal melee and range damage?
I mean you should be slamming IP passively to dump extra rage with your tier set. Shied Block should literally always be up off CD
chrome falcon
man i'm not even on jakey's side of this argument and i think you guys are being disingenuous
modern zephyr
ohhhh thanks guys, had no idea that IP was weaker than it sounds 😒
strong forum
always SB
chrome falcon
when you do real contente
strong forum
IP is just a rage dump
chrome falcon
IP goes away in like 3 melees
jagged pier
man i'm not even on jakey's side of this argument and i think you guys are being...
happens all the time, take the dumbest point of the statement to make an argument from
waxen orbit
IP goes away in like 3 melees
Try 1
waxen orbit
+26 fortified 
jagged pier
thats a bigass melee to hit for over 20k
have you seen the jailer
strong forum
the context was certainly m+
jagged pier
context somntext
strong forum
and i doubt 26fort your average mob hits for 20k
strong forum
cuz if thats the case BDK couldnt tank more than 1
cuz BDK gets hit for 4x as much as we do
waxen orbit
He was talking about just having IP and no ShB
strong forum
ah
waxen orbit
That shit would slap tf out of us
waxen orbit
Nah that makes the melees something like 8-9k usually
strong forum
ya
fierce spear
its even worse than <:literallytrash:752422340150820914>
Hahaha this emoji for „literally trash“ is just priceless 😂😂
naive panther
So my 278 codex is a big rip now?
jagged pier
it was before
sick sentinel
bursting nerf was too far
strong forum
codex was always big rip for us
sick sentinel
reading over old comments
naive panther
I rarely used it lol but I did take it from my first vault.
urban portal
bursting wasnt a real affix in shadowlands
strong forum
evidence over the time made us realise how bad it was
early on we thought it was good aswlel cuz it was unlimited 10% DR
sick sentinel
I remember i had a bursting macro that whenever we had more than 2 stacks i'd hit it and it'd chat "stop killing stuff; bursting"
naive panther
So no reason to care about nerf
strong forum
ya
sick sentinel
theres like 7 trinkets that could apply to
strong forum
bursting used to be % based
chrome falcon
they should just remove bursting
sick sentinel
bursting used to be if you had more than 4 stacks in a pug that was a wipe or depleted
strong forum
so tanks would get fucked over royally
chrome falcon
it used to be way too hard and totally unfair
and now it's a joke
it has never been in a good place
strong forum
its still a thing
sick sentinel
kings rest, want to bring a pally or spriest and send them in solo or have 1 dude go in alone and die
chrome falcon
legion bursting was legit the most unplayable thing in this whole game
strong forum
bursting now is perfect if you ask me
shell shale
I think bursting as it is isn't too bad.
It's a fun healer mechanic forces DPS to play different and tanks to play different
chrome falcon
i dunno how i feel about an entire affix being countered by one spell
sick sentinel
you mean rally?
sick sentinel
this is how i saved keys in bfa, little 15s sure
sick sentinel
just timing the rally with last 2 or 3 ticks of bursting and should be good
chrome falcon
so uh you probably just made it harder if that was the case
sick sentinel
gives healer time to attempt to top everyone off
chrome falcon
regardless
i was obviously talking about mass dispel
which actually deletes the entire affix
chrome falcon
i mean i don't think it's a huge issue or anything i just think the affix is lame and poorly tuned
cinder storm
finding good dps in the 3.2-3.3k is a hit or miss this week
cinder storm
was pushing yesterday after being out this week, mage top 24, 10k dps 10 mins in the key, mist 24 lock, 17k dps overall, next to a rogue
quaint glade
Hi yet again me is it a dumb idea to wear aegis and scale?
blazing condor
Mages suck this tier
quaint glade
blazing condor
Havent played with a single good one
quaint glade
Scale is 278
cinder storm
finding a good mage is like throwing a d20 x5
strong forum
its not dumb but not ideal either
quaint glade
And aegis is from hc
chrome falcon
i think you probably go scale then
strong forum
if you ask me, 239 aegis beats 278 scale defensively
chrome falcon
but not 100% sure
quaint glade
Havent played with a single good one
I saw an arcane pumping 22k
blazing condor
Aegis is just op
quaint glade
Depends
chrome falcon
i'd probably go aegis in like
strong forum
278 scale is 100k absorb on 2min CD in aoe
chrome falcon
fort dos
sick sentinel
I saw an arcane pumping 22k
arcane mage can do some weird shit with arcane explosion spam
chrome falcon
dps on them both is gonna be so dogshit that it's irrelevant
strong forum
^
sick sentinel
they get 2 bubbles out of 4 empowered instead of 1
quaint glade
I’ll try aegis and scale just to test
strong forum
extremely likely to just be ovekrill
sick sentinel
arcane can be HUGE on fort keys
chrome falcon
i mean you just don't need both
strong forum
and youre gonna be sitting on them for alot
cinder storm
if you do, just pull even bigger
sick sentinel
with big ass pulls
quaint glade
arcane mage can do some weird shit with arcane explosion spam
Oh I was arcane main since sl start 😦
cinder storm
like mdi pulls
quaint glade
Swapped to prot in s3
sick sentinel
i mostly like that bad arcane talent time anomoly
quaint glade
and youre gonna be sitting on them for alot
Understood
cinder storm
I was mage main too, in bfa and early SL, its amazing the amount of players who dont know their class yet they try to push past 20-21s
strong forum
doesnt hurt to try
sick sentinel
random blood lust 20% dmg or mana regen, sure, why not
chrome falcon
you'd be better off getting like 200 more dps from a stat/dps proc trinket but
it's not gonna make or break a key
and you should certainly never ever die with that setup
quaint glade
i mostly like that bad arcane talent time anomoly
I swapped from my arcane because I couldn’t get helmet whole s2 I was with normal raid helmet while with prot I got almost all 252s xD so I said I won’t suffer anymore
quaint glade
doesnt hurt to try
Also I wanted to ask smth I have wrists 262 vers haste and wrists 278 haste crit I bet I need to go with ilvl one?
strong forum
duh
cinder storm
ilvl
strong forum
haste crit are amazing stats
cinder storm
bfa
quaint glade
🥲
strong forum
sense has 14%
cinder storm
I have 17% I'd take 7% out of it if I could for crit or haste
blazing condor
I have like 32/20 right now on hste vers which feels p good
jagged pier
i would take 17% out if i could swap it for haste
sick sentinel
im versa nerd now, 20.62%
strong forum
blazing condor
But wouldnt feel a difference if it was 32/10
strong forum
sick sentinel
50% or we aint talkin
potent anvil
sick sentinel
cypher shield of shame
cinder storm
never got a shield on S1
median tulip
All I want for Reset is a 278 Shield
crude notch
🙏
hazy edge
I've been messing around with a lower haste higher crit/vers build and it's been doing good. Keeping banner up is harder, but it's a lot of fun imo
shut summit
All I want for Reset is a 278 Shield
same
strong forum
but yeah
shut summit
strong forum
all stats are good
strong forum
285 shield when sense
shut summit
now that we're outta jail hopefully soon
hazy edge
im literally using max ilvl
I just have a ton of 272s with different stats that I mess around with
chrome falcon
i just want to get rid of this stupid first boss 278
give me my stats so i can 72 more dps or something
jagged pier
i just want to get rid of this stupid first boss 278
same
hazy edge
make gavel a str/agi trinket
chrome falcon
it's very funny that our unique item reduces our dps
compared to bdk getting several thousand from theirs
strong forum
they needed it after the shit show that was BFA and SL if you ask me
let em have it
brittle owl
compensation for hitting with wet paper all expac
hazy edge
BFA was so bad for bdk
strong forum
hazy edge
azerite traits were so scuffed
brittle owl
bfa wasn't that bad
but it did expose issues in design
their traits being shit just meant they had to maximize kit
cinder storm
bfa was the best xpac....I've only played bfa and SL
brittle owl
idk man i member 9.0 and 9.1
ocean yoke
another turtle made it to the water
brittle owl
people swigging nostalgia capri sun for bfa
strong forum
8.3 was better than 9.0 and 9.1 for the largest part
but 9.2 is better than bfa
except for dungeon design
id think those are fair statements
hazy edge
100% agree
chrome falcon
i feel like bfa dungeon design had some serious misses
strong forum
absolutely
chrome falcon
KR was an endless nightmare and siege was almost worst just with the spotter
strong forum
BFA had already pretty bad dungeons
chrome falcon
i don't feel like SL has any absolute stinkers
strong forum
but SL dungeons are just worse
chrome falcon
but that's probably because it's all been giga nerfed
ocean yoke
awakened skips helped a lot for them
strong forum
biggest offender is just the absolute oversized need for kicks in SL
aswell as too many small pull dungeons
chrome falcon
yeah true but that's probably an offshoot of the absolutely insane aoe cap decision
crude notch
They also doubled down on long dungeons.
shut summit
i liked the good dungeons in BFA more and hate the bad dungeons in SL more
chrome falcon
hopefully dragonflight will be better in that regard
crude notch
Bring back shorter dungeons.
crude notch
i liked the good dungeons in BFA more and hate the bad dungeons in SL more
Agreed.
chrome falcon
yeah i guess i wouldn't say i actually like any of the SL dungeons whereas at least bfa had some that were like
decent
but nothing in SL is as bad as king's rest
strong forum
KR was fine in s4 except 3rd boss and Zul
cinder storm
eh, I liked KR's it got easier on the last season tho
urban portal
biggest offender is just the absolute oversized need for kicks in SL
isnt that good though? makes melee more valuable, and also makes dps actually play the game
blazing condor
SL dungeons feels more polished than BFA ones but theyre just more boring
crude notch
I’d take King’s Rest over all but two SL dungeons
chrome falcon
i mean i feel like those two things are pretty major nomer
strong forum
isnt that good though? makes melee more valuable, and also makes dps actually pl...
no, cuz only you as a tank get punished for it
urban portal
need a small carrot where you get minor resource on a kick would be even better
chrome falcon
a 6 minute boss and a miniboss that could be basically unbeatable based on comp
tame jasper
no, cuz only you as a tank get punished for it
This
urban portal
like dh and dk
crude notch
isnt that good though? makes melee more valuable, and also makes dps actually pl...
There’s other ways to make melee “more viable” without making eighty thousand kicks.
strong forum
give me all the CC responsibilites and powers as tank, let DPS do dps, and let me take care of myself
thx
chrome falcon
yeah like 80% of all the interrupts just fucking destroy the tanks
they're either attack speed/damage buffs, stuns on your healers, or bolts of some horrible flavour
cinder storm
at least on "higher" keys pugs tend to kick more often
I swear some ppl dont have their kicks/utilities on their bars
chrome falcon
like that first pull in soa or whatever where you need 2 people kicking the robot and then two mobs spamming insta-kill dark lashes
not great fun
echo egret
Hello, Shadowcore, I'd like to introduce you to the rest of the DPS players !
chrome falcon
at least shadowcore is just one mob
echo egret
... and it ony hits the tank
cinder storm
yeah, and for some reason the rest of the dps are saving their kicks just in case of goliath and forget about the dots
echo egret
Dark Lashes are random targets
strong forum
Dark Lashes are random targets
yeah but average DPSers dont even know that
chrome falcon
dark lash can randomly target the same person simultaneously and pancake them
cobalt seal
Just bring a demo
echo egret
Well at least it shows DPS that they need to kick or they die
strong forum
kevin owns
chrome falcon
i got MC'd on a jailer wipe and it took him at least 5 autos to kill kevin
dude is randomly the tankiest motherfucker in the game
hazy edge
Kevin taunt when
cinder storm
"look at me, I'm the tank now"
hollow stump
got a question, whats our second trinket aside from the scale from dos ?
i currently have the lords of dread trinket
as second
but not sure whats the best for m+
blazing condor
Ows/phial/rdm/afe
Sack
Also aegis from sanctum is usually better than scale
Depending on ilvl
minor helm
Does sigil also own for prot?
urban portal
it does
hollow stump
is heart of the swarm that i currently have any good ?
chrome falcon
no
urban portal
its good if you play venthyr 
sweet summit
sucks ass
urban portal
but seriously not very good
echo egret
Another raiding question about raiding as necrolord : do you use LS as aggressively as in M+ ? Or do you keep it as a defensive cooldown ?
shut summit
aggressive for DPS, save if you super need for like skolex maybe but ive done every fight with just being aggressive
strong forum
in my baby keys
crude notch
Last Stand is Incarn. 🤔
chrome falcon
just slam LS on cooldown if banner is up
urban portal
unless you need it for specific assignments
echo egret
yes for raids - for example we solo the combos on Lihuvim, using cooldowns
strong forum
Last Stand is Incarn. 🤔
ya in m+ it basically turns you immortal
chrome falcon
using LS on cooldown will let you have shield wall up
at the moment you would otherwise need LS
soloing lihuvim combos is super ez, just shield wall+DS
you'll have it every time you need it
echo egret
okay
chilly brook
Last Stand is Incarn. 🤔
With the amount of rage you get yes
Literally so much rage and ignore pain
crude notch
Yo chill out with the pings. You’ll all recover.
chilly brook
You got two responses chill fam
crude notch
You chill fam
chilly brook
Fine haven’t played WoW in like 3 weeks
crude notch
Nice! Freedom!
chilly brook
Kinda wanna do keys maybe keep raiding but moving kinda kills your ability to have set gaming times
This tier is probably the most fun as a prot boi this entire expansion and actually maybe even in two xpacs
I don’t think there’s been another tier that’s been this fun for prot since Antorus
chrome falcon
definitely not
raiding in bfa as prot was rancid even if m+ was "fun" because we were so broken
chilly brook
raiding in bfa as prot was rancid even if m+ was "fun" because we were so broken
I think this says more about how integral tier sets were to the game than anything else tbh
Especially how good tier and legendary combos are
chilly brook
I can’t believe they gave us a 15% boost on execute
chrome falcon
absolute insanity
i really want to see how hard 1 execute can hit
it must be over 50k
i got a 42k and that was without str pot or sigil
chrome falcon
infinitely
chrome falcon
oh yeah on jailer you can probably get 60k
shut summit
totally necessary buff
chrome falcon
i hope the cd on my bdk's weapon lines up so he can pop it on p4
or i'm just going to rip threat and fucking die
chrome falcon
prot is easily top execute spec in the game
brittle owl
exeqte
chrome falcon
i was doing 13k and i had no banner for most of it because i'm dogshit
chilly brook
Banner is weird on anduin
Mainly because downtime on intermission phasing and the downstairs
chrome falcon
it's pretty easy to keep up on anduin i just fucked up because i was sweaty raid leading the last phase
i let it drop while anduin was summoning the light circle at the start of p3
when you can't run in
but i could have charged in then IV'd out to keep it up
next time
chilly brook
Still pretty common tbh
chrome falcon
it was so common in boomer days of wow
chilly brook
Mostly because no one else wants to do it
brittle owl
it being common doesn't make it less bad
chrome falcon
that i think for some of us it just stuck
but yes
it is definitely shitty
and not optimal
dawn canyon
it was so common in boomer days of wow
Sco.. Back in cata n shit
chrome falcon
but also i'm not playing this game if i'm not raidleading
chilly brook
And tanks usually are the “somebody’s gotta do it” players
undone verge
Prot can do some dmg
shut summit
started raid leading as dps, went thru 39 tanks in 1 xpac, now guess who's both
brittle owl
And tanks usually are the “somebody’s gotta do it” players
dis is u being peanut brain
shut summit
chrome falcon
my guild persuaded me to recruit a new tank and try dpsing
it worked for literally one boss
brittle owl
galaxy brain is play tank to spank
chilly brook
my guild persuaded me to recruit a new tank and try dpsing
Honestly it’s been kinda a shit xpac to be a warrior dps
brittle owl
tauren is peak tank race
chilly brook
This tier would have been sick as fury
brittle owl
also peak healer race
chrome falcon
nah this was in bfda when fury was sicko
chilly brook
Tier nerf and fucking necro nerf
chrome falcon
i got a purple parse on blockade then immediately went back to proc for jaina
i'm 99% sure they could revert that necro nerf
and fury would be like
brittle owl
fury is the inferior dps spec anyway
chrome falcon
middle of the pack
undone verge
Tier nerf and fucking necro nerf
Yep was looking forward to it but the nerf ruined it
undone verge
middle of the pack
100%
chilly brook
Necro would have been sick for fury
torn plaza
Hey, I'm currently around 3450 io, but I feel like it's becoming impossible to get invited into any 25/26 keys. Is it same for all tank, or is it just for prot ? And is it a good idea to go for a 24, hoping that we keep pushing after ?
dawn canyon
Get a group of gamers
chrome falcon
if you want to consistently go higher than 25 you kinda want a proper group imo
chilly brook
Probably you being not blood dk