+17 key
#protection
sick sentinel
HAH a ret who thinks he's a rogue
strong forum
Player issue not class
craggy pilot
ye thought so
sick sentinel
bubble aint the same as give tank aggro son, just takes u off aggro lol
strong forum
A good ret can still do 20k dps
jagged pier
Bad players are bad
well yes the amount of 260+ full tier set dps im beating on my 240 shammy is just sad
craggy pilot
A good ret can still do 20k dps
thats what i thought 😄
sick sentinel
i will forever be in debt to the druid who carried my 18 top and saved us all from explosives with 10m of bite dmg
that man was doing gods work
jagged pier
Its a druid job
broken crater
i will forever be in debt to the druid who carried my 18 top and saved us all fr...
hows bite dmg related to explosives exactly? 🤔
sick sentinel
hows bite dmg related to explosives exactly? 🤔
i think he was the only one killing em what i was roundabout gettin at
sick sentinel
feral
broken crater
:pepehands:
sick sentinel
15k
broken crater
15k what
strong forum
sir we post 
here
broken crater
restive sage
Lock was out to lunch
sick sentinel
druid really had his stuff together, made the run smoother
broken crater
lock should be on 15k aswell
sick sentinel
yeah, cuz that shaman died like 5 times for some reasons, its an 18, best i've done so
druid have to brez him at least once i saw
broken crater
no shame in that, deaths happen in +30 too
sick sentinel
nonononoo
+30 key IS death, instant death
they look at you funny and fart and then your dead, no thanks
broken crater
that does indeed happen if you stand behind the gasbag in theater
otherwise, not so much
cobalt seal
@sick sentinel have you consider moving away from that UI
Where you dont have to run a marathon with your eyes
To get info
After 10m in that UI i would prob have to stop because my eyes would start hurting
You everything spread
When info should be close together on the center
Close to mobs
So your eyes dont have to move around
To get info
You say you watch bars for info
Move bars up
To mobs line of sight
You have party frames on narnia
You prob miss 99% of intervenes
By having to move mouse there
craggy pilot
whats the rant for wtf?
craggy pilot
you wrote an entire essay lol chill bro 🤣
cobalt seal
I did
sick sentinel
Is this one of these "Read the first letter of each line" things
craggy pilot
maybe
jagged pier
will be up later today 
broken crater
Maybe you try to read it. Since you cant read long texts
you need to spread out the info further
just like the current ui
then itll work
cobalt seal
sweet summit
cinder nova
Can simply
They mean you're basically spamming instead of just collating your information into a single post or two, instead you're flooding the chat with inane fragmented babbling that really doesn't help.
dawn canyon
Flood or block neither is very digestable
cinder nova
No, but if you're gonna try and offer advice at least try and be coherent.
sweet summit
they're clearly trying to help
cinder nova
You can format with Shift+Enter
sweet summit
which is nice
cinder nova
Bruh if you can shotgun out that drivel you can be fucked to actually press the enter key on your phone. It's literally less keybinds that typing it on keyboard.
cinder nova
I find it ironic that you're out here trying to coach on something related to information formatting while the coaching's information formatting is an actual optical migraine and it's going over your head 
cinder nova
What the actual christ is yogiUI? Is it an Elv/Tukui retrofit?
cinder nova
Oh literally yogi's UI.
dawn canyon
No Ui is perfect
craggy pilot
is there some new quests in the recent patch? 🤔
dawn canyon
Except mine 
dawn canyon
is there some new quests in the recent patch? 🤔
Yes the lordaron thing
craggy pilot
how do i start it?
cinder nova
inb4 Jakey's looks like classic era clutter on a 640x480
craggy pilot
yogiUI elvui package would be lit
cinder nova
craggy pilot
like doing M+ keys hardmode
dawn canyon
how do i start it?
Oribos where you initially joined ur covenant
craggy pilot
🤔 do i have to do it with a covenant campaign i completed?
im 2/9 on Necro, should i swap back to Kyr to do it?
dawn canyon
Idk
cinder nova
They mean in the same general area. For Alliance you get the quest from Genn but he's standing near the entrance of the map room that branches out to the covenant choices.
craggy pilot
oh i found it, its just not listed as a "main campaign"
cinder nova
Nah.
It's entirely lore/narrative texture for the setting. I want more quests like this, here's hoping DF isn't afraid to put in a bit more like 'em.
craggy pilot
is it a prequest for DF?
sick sentinel
theres no change to legendary crafting in s4 is there pls say no
dawn canyon
is it a prequest for DF?
No?
cinder nova
No, it's just there to show progress occurring in Lordaeron with the Forsaken and how they plan on cleaning up the blight.
sick sentinel
ilvl more specifically
craggy pilot
since when is Tirisfal scorched?
cinder nova
I was actually more stoked at seeing a lot of OG undead from way back like Faranell and Belmont.
dawn canyon
since when is Tirisfal scorched?
Bfa
cinder nova
since when is Tirisfal scorched?
Sylvanas did a scorched-earth retreat during the Siege of Lordaeron. She was holding back the Alliance line while apothecaries rigged munitions full of the same virulent plague used at the Wrathgate strategically around the ruins. She detonated them as she pulled back to cleave through the Alliance lines and in doing so also killed a fair sum of Horde soldiery. She was cornered in the throne room where she set off the last munition in the hopes of slaying a bulk of the Alliance's leadership at the expense of her capital.
The plague's toxic miasma has been lingering rather persistently since the beginning of BFA and as a result has cut off the Undercity from the rest of the Horde and Forsaken, including large swathes of Tirisfal being caught in the fallout. The quest is effectively a union of the fragment Forsaken leadership doing everything they can to begin neutralizing the plague and reclaim their ancestral home.
Part of it is a B-plot with Calia Menethil in the hopes of integrating herself with the rest of the undead Forsaken by lending her aid despite their distrust.
sick sentinel
whats another legendary to craft, i have SR and painbringer 291's now, already have my 291 rep/unity
urban portal
Signet
sick sentinel
have that one too on ring
urban portal
Then you are good
If you want you can buy me my first 291 Lego
Still playing w 235
sick sentinel
only need 75 more cosmic and i can craft another thing
thats sr pain rep signet unity in pic to the right the 291s
lofty widget
why do you need so many legendaries?
sick sentinel
had a wow token it was 40k total bill, least those are up to date i have to go arms or some other thing, i think someone said TW for some raid fights?
strong forum
turns out codex is even worse than previously assumed
LOL
cuz its fixed/bugged since 9.2.5
it actually only reflects/absorbs its tooltip value now
sick sentinel
i have all of those except TW, which i don't know where i want to craft
jagged pier
turns out codex is even worse than previously assumed
but but the top RIO warriors are using it
😳
👉 👈
urban portal
turns out codex is even worse than previously assumed
so did it get slightly better or even worse
jagged pier
its fucking trash
cinder nova
Monkey see monkey do, but what's the deal? I have seen Thwump running one and he gets between 500 to 700 DPS in high keys.
strong forum
so did it get slightly better or even worse
ALOT worse
chrome falcon
yes but he also loses damage
urban portal
oh shit
chrome falcon
because he has a stam trinket
urban portal
its bad on all other tanks now?
i remember day 1 someone on brew was saying their codex was doing a lot less than last patch
strong forum
pmuch
cinder nova
How much DPS are you actually losing from 80-100 STR
urban portal
codex does like 1k dps in 9.2
strong forum
it already caps out at like 2.3k absorb per hit
urban portal
How much DPS are you actually losing from 80-100 STR
6-7% on sense's warrior
if you are talking about codex vs a generic trinket that does nothing
strong forum
6-7% cuz Banner multipliers and so on
which also affects IP size
so youre just in a lose-lose situation
strong forum
codex does like 1k dps in 9.2
on tanks who actually take frequent dmg
cinder nova
Speaking of trinkets, I managed to fish a scale on my 3rd box but I don't have the valor to 12/12 it now 
urban portal
yeah im saying on brew
not here
i was the first one in this discord to say codex is bad
dont have to tell me
urban portal
So vdh is the last one left?
strong forum
at best
sick sentinel
TW on cloak i presume?
sick sentinel
maybe i do a raid, i'll save some of that gold sure
low kindle
I used to get baited by codex and play it, but I'd rather use Aegis if I actually want another defensive trinket now
sick sentinel
it'd just be nice to say i have the legendary i need to tank raid boss if i needed to do it
lofty widget
you use reprisal in raids, not the wall
dawn canyon
it'd just be nice to say i have the legendary i need to tank raid boss if i need...
You already own reprisal
You can already say that
sick sentinel
we still have another like year or 6 months right? i'm not too worried
strong forum
even in raid wall isnt good
median tulip
I've got a max rank Wall; I think I've used it maybe twice.
strong forum
literally a dead leggo since 9.0.5
lofty widget
i havent upgraded my 210 wall since the first patch
sick sentinel
i thought that was TL kekw
ocean yoke
its also fucking boring
strong forum
TL is dead since beta
median tulip
Thunderlord only exists so that Bliz could claim not to have completely nerfed the BfA playstyle
It was never meant to be played
strong forum
so funny how the leggo went
median tulip
It's just an excuse legendary
strong forum
they asked for a legendary wed want back from legion
we said TL
we got TL
they didnt like its performance in beta, nerf it into the floor so that it becomes useless
median tulip
If the set bonus multiplied the leggo effect it might be worth considering. But it doesn't.
(I made a 190 to test that as soon as I had set)
strong forum
tierset outburst doesnt interact with anything
no talent and no legendary gets multiplied by outburst
and the slow from TC actually only gets a +100% and not +200% increase
cobalt seal
I find it ironic that you're out here trying to coach on something related to in...
What
gray iris
hey guys, i am having trouble dealing with doctor ickus. Boss is not the problem but the packs that we do prior to engaging him. I have trouble pulling that second pack on the right away from the area. Doctor just lands there and we end up dealing with the boss and the mobs. How do you guys pull that pack away from that area?
the guy keeps casting bolts and slime also keeps casting some spell. They just dont move
lime urchin
Interrupting!
sick sentinel
what level is the keystone
strong forum
oh shit codex nerfed to ground
codex was always shit for us
now its just LITERALLY useless
white ember
On Ickus I find it relatively easier to just go left pack and then diagonally across to big guy + plaguepriest (interrupt plaguepriest on cast and drag behind), then last pack with the oozes to get the buff directly on boss, instead of having to get the necrolord to run back to get it.
cinder nova
hey guys, i am having trouble dealing with doctor ickus. Boss is not the problem...
You can use the last set of rigged borers to detonate the left-hand path and like Grothas said, you can just wade through the slime to the far right-hand platform, deal with that, and then end up axing the slimes and doctor on the nearer right-hand platform so your group can park itself in the red haste buff and get the benefit of the buff from NL fleshcrafting.
scenic mural
oh shit codex nerfed to ground
Link or screenshot? Cant find it
strong forum
theres no post about it
we literally just found it through reverse engineering logs
median tulip
What have they actually done?
scenic mural
And this is as of 9.2.5?
chrome falcon
oh sorry i thought they were asking if it was only bad now
strong forum
but its now 100% confirmed dead trinket for everyone
chrome falcon
it was always bad but yeah worse as of this week
(probably still good defensively on rygelon mythic)
strong forum
for vdh its still only 800 dps
for bdks still 1.4k tho, but maybe the log i checked was pre-fix
somehow
cuz its just fucklaods of ticks to reflect
sick sentinel
On Ickus I find it relatively easier to just go left pack and then diagonally ac...
watch where he jumps and heroic leap into charge him helps alot
cobalt seal
oh shit codex nerfed to ground
If you used codex as pwar
I have some bad news for you
gray iris
On Ickus I find it relatively easier to just go left pack and then diagonally ac...
damn why didnt i think of that
i really hate plaguefall lol..
chrome falcon
i think plaguefall is probably the key with the biggest diff between a pug and a team
most people who only pug hate it
people who are doing like 24s with a team say it's a joke
safe thistle
theres so many buff in that key to amke tyrranical a joke
pallid quiver
i don't like the aesthetic so it sucks
strong forum
its a valid reason
urban portal
theres so many buff in that key to amke tyrranical a joke
You say that but Chinese mdi couldn’t time it
safe thistle
cause they were seeing bread everywhere
strong forum
you gotta keep in mind
chinese MDI struggles for actual players
theres only 1/2 teams who arent there for the meme
safe thistle
cobalt seal
Considering 11k is kinda low. But play whatever you feel like it
hushed cobalt
If you want to try out codex, use in the nexus during timewalking and hope it procs in the icy crystal wing
dawn canyon
lfr arms lords with a 246 weapon
rank 14 LFR for all arms warriors
(to note there is 81 logged LFR parses )
scenic mural
sure, i guess, still have to get this NF stuff to 80
can very easily play arms as kyrian. its pretty much just preference
dawn canyon
kyrian arms is good
scenic mural
yeah idk where the nf comment came from. but theirs options i suppose
blazing condor
Where were you when yogi turned to a top tier arms player
mighty valley
I always believed
modern brook
U ever eat too much and then ur tummy hurts but you still wanna eat more
sweet summit
U ever eat too much and then ur tummy hurts but you still wanna eat more
me rn...
help...
chrome falcon
tfw haven't eaten solid food in 6 months 
urban portal
erga no longer weeb?
toxic pewter
What y’all’s second favorite tank
sweet summit
fury warrior
urban portal
Arms warrior
median tulip
Bear
sweet summit
erga no longer weeb?
never was 
median tulip
Arms is more fun
sweet summit
arms sux
toxic pewter
… yikes…
median tulip
I don't like buff uptime maintenance DPS classes like Fury
sweet summit
but you play prot warrior 
toxic pewter
If I play bear do I gotta do like balance weaving and shit
urban portal
No
toxic pewter
Like I don’t want to do anything except bear
Ok. So it’s not expected to like change forms and dps and shit or wat
sick sentinel
is top viscera like crazy bad for us
sweet summit
yes
urban portal
Viscera is just mid
median tulip
The only reason to be not-a-bear when you are a Bear is if you need to stealth through a section
sweet summit
poopoo
urban portal
Ok. So it’s not expected to like change forms and dps and shit or wat
It’s minor optimization
sick sentinel
it decided i wanted one, there's a dk in my guild i brough along i could trade it to him
urban portal
Even at ranged you can just moonfire away
toxic pewter
The only reason to be not-a-bear when you are a Bear is if you need to stealth t...
Ok makes sense
urban portal
In bear
toxic pewter
Even at ranged you can just moonfire away
Fair enough I just an turned off by
sick sentinel
but i dunno if he ants to play bdk or if its good for dps dk
urban portal
Heart of the wild off heal in high soa is also valid
median tulip
There's very occasionally a point where a DPS form makes sense; like when a boss has a section where they don't need to be tanked and you just do damage
toxic pewter
Yeah like that’s what I dont like. Heart of the wild.
urban portal
It’s for very high keys anyways
toxic pewter
Ok noted
urban portal
Sometimes soa can just straight up kill you
During intermission
So you should heal in high keys
sick sentinel
i experienced the glitch where when going through teleporter rings, you suddenly can't control your char and have to log off, then we timed with 12 seconds on clock
median tulip
The main reason I like Bear though is that they are the easiest and more predictable tank to heal when I am playing a healer
toxic pewter
So you should heal in high keys
So will I be taking resto over balance then? As bear?
urban portal
Doesn’t matter too much
toxic pewter
Or does it change depending on dungeon I guess?
sick sentinel
or like, you can move around and it looks like you are attacking on your screen but no buttons being pressed, and they say ur not moving
toxic pewter
Ok
jagged pier
What y’all’s second favorite tank
My alt warrior
toxic pewter
My alt warrior
Lol hell yea
median tulip
Also putting Guardian spirit on a Bear is basically "welp, don't have to pay any attention to the bear" and you can DPS for a while
urban portal
Like my friend always heart convoke as boomie on pull to get threat
toxic pewter
Yeah damn. Like that sounds good but just feel awkward to me. I guess I’m just not that flexible
Not as enjoyable for me
urban portal
Then don’t do it
toxic pewter
But then I’ll feel I am doing it wrong
urban portal
Though idk why you wouldn’t just play brew
lime urchin
@jagged pier logs where
sick sentinel
real or memeing about potatoe pc
strong forum
real
sick sentinel
yeah pc parts cost more gold now
robust rover
What logs are you seeing with lower Codex healing?
(small sample size) but 1 person had 2-3x more healing with codex on Ryg in 9.2.5 than in 9.2
urban portal
Brew has been reporting very low numbers
Codex already sucks balls for prot so yeah
strong forum
Codex is literally dead trinket
Ryg is the only exception where it does anything
Cuz of the extremely constant dmg intake
potent anvil
Just use dps trinkets
strong forum
Yes
grave crane
Yeah codex on ryg did 8% damage and 8% healing I think
grave crane
Oh well in heroic it did those numbers and it’s better than anima decanter that I got
robust rover
I mean, even heroic this log was pretty good for Codex https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/VHnR8X3gkpY2w9T1#fight=20&type=healing&source=20
so not nothing
strong forum
Well 15k dtps on heroic is a bit much
Aswell as being kyrian
15k is what tanks have on mythic ryg
Except bdks they're at 35k dtps
But yes
Those levels of dtps is where codex is good on ryg (emphasis on per second)
But since they fixed it now, it's straight up garbage in keys
sick sentinel
i wonder if they will change sack magic bombs to not attach bombs to enemy frame lol
grave crane
What did they change about codex? And I’d like to get a sack or phial but RNG wants me to get blade master armor kits
sick sentinel
i had it happen to me in a key, luckily we survived it
robust rover
But since they fixed it now, it's straight up garbage in keys
That's a 9.2.5 log
lofty widget
yea sack procs on your current target, regardless of combat
just dont target stuff youre not in combat with
or use another trinket
strong forum
That's a 9.2.5 log
I know
And you didn't hit the ceiling of codex once in this log
But you got extremely close
Idk what's so hard to understand, the dps/hps comes from the extremely frequent dot dmg you take
sick sentinel
this will sound really super pepega but do you guys ever mark the relics to kill with basic marker skull x, (normal in game/ macro/ addon or other doesn't really matter here)
strong forum
Codex now already maxes out its DR when you get hit by ~20-23k and then it stops reducing mroe dmg even if the hit gets larger
Prior to 9.2.5 you could mitigate up to 20k from a single 200k hit, now you'd still only mitiage 2.3k from a 200k hit
That's why codex is now ultra garbage
sick sentinel
keep seeming to still get the ocassion random wo or vy seemingly no reasons, i don't mind it but
strong forum
It doesn't even provide the full 10% DR in heavy hitting situations
ocean yoke
it is definitely because dps yolo aoe and assume someone else will target the right relic
cobalt seal
this will sound really super pepega but do you guys ever mark the relics to kil...
Yeah you can mark
And people do it in pugs usually
strong forum
keep seeming to still get the ocassion random wo or vy seemingly no reasons, i d...
That comes from dps players going full aoe dps mong instead of focusing the relic down
sick sentinel
i think i might just make 2 macros, #1 /target urh (whatever the skull mark command is) #2 same but wo
strong forum
Sure
cobalt seal
Or just have a macro for skull
sick sentinel
have the addon, that got fixed, but its just way easier to just click and its done
chrome falcon
more buttons probably not great when you're already struggling with the ones you have
sick sentinel
0.1 second vs 1 second
chrome falcon
would be much better to just learn to target mobs quickly and hit all your stuff with revenge
cobalt seal
This
chrome falcon
develop long term skills instead of bandaids
cobalt seal
And pls take my advice on ui
Since you can just focus on 1 thing at a time
Move everything close
urban portal
Yogui is bis
sick sentinel
its still fucked, wa postioning and bloat, but whatever for now, i was able to do that 15 with it
sick sentinel
d
cobalt seal
Without going for a marathon with your eyes
sick sentinel
beside the chat tall bar is a SB up time tracker, goes down, reaches bottom, no more sb
strong forum
Unless you can notice that with peripheral vision
Throw it in the middle
Asap
Anything that takes attention away from what's happening in front of your face (character) is bad
chrome falcon
if the issue is that you don't know how to move/change that SB weakaura we can get you a better one
because that shit absolutely has to move
SB uptime is the most important thing for you to be constantly checking and it's basically not even on your screen
it's closer to your desk than your character
my ui isn't perfect but you can see literally all relevant information within like 4 inches of my character
does anyone know what that extra health/rage bar in the middle of my screen are actually
i cannot find what's causing them and i do not want them there
lofty widget
personal resource display
chrome falcon
ty ty
why is that under "names"
what does a health/rage bar have to do with names
dawn canyon
https://gyazo.com/9d274b2dc27fc5c1db015128500cdc56
this without the personal resource display would be good
chrome falcon
yeah it's gone now
got the triple skada window going for maximum analyst mode (i never use any of them other than dps)
dawn canyon
lock your note
lofty widget
skada in 2022??
dawn canyon
the blocked hits thing ruins it
strong forum
No that's the best part
dawn canyon
thank god this shit is subjective
strong forum
I made it specifically to be there
Cuz I like it to show inside HP bar and get that satisfying "yeah I crit block for 100k"
sand drum
(sry for interrupting UI talk)
Did HC jailer the other week and tried to only have IP up over SB (bit troll sure) whats the opinion about that ;>
strong forum
And I have reflect dmg done shown in eneemh hp bar
strong forum
(sry for interrupting UI talk)
Did HC jailer the other week and tried to only ha...
Insanely bad
sand drum
was a personal challenge tho :c
lofty widget
you have both if you play correctly anyway
strong forum
That's quite challenging then indeed
chrome falcon
(sry for interrupting UI talk)
Did HC jailer the other week and tried to only ha...
yeah that's absolutely trolling
but if you know it was trolling then go for it
sand drum
yep 100% thought about it befor I did it ofc, was bored after 115 wipes :C
urban portal
How hard are heroic jailer autos
urban portal
Damn that’s soft
strong forum
Well that's still harder than anything else in the game
Mythic jailer is like 240k pre-mit
Iirc
190k pre-mit on heroic
So an unblocked hit does like 40-45k
270k pre-mit mythic
~85k unblocked without literally anything up
fallow osprey
Guhhhh it feels super overwhelming to learn how to tank this late in an expansion… I’m tracking all the awesome resources we have listed in the discord but where does one start if I have zero tanking experience…
strong forum
Start by slapping a dummy 2-4hrs hrs to get your rotation down a bit into muscle memory
grave crane
Put on a shield and go into 15s
strong forum
Then start by tracking SB uptime and work around that
But yeah, to learn all around tanking just go straight into whatever keylevel seems challenging to you
chrome falcon
Guhhhh it feels super overwhelming to learn how to tank this late in an expansio...
better to learn at the end of this expansion than the start of the new one imo
strong forum
You'll quickly notice what hurts and what doesn't, unless you're overwhelmed by everything
chrome falcon
then you go into the new expansion ready to go and fuckin blast
and yeah literally it sounds boring but just go hit a dummy
for like twice as long as you think you need to
strong forum
But getting the rotation down and keeping track of your SB uptime is the absolute basics
chrome falcon
learn to react quickly to SS procs and when you can dump rage
the only way you're gonna get tanking experience is by going and getting the shit beat out of you
fallow osprey
Ok thanks everyone, I’ll give it a go
fallow osprey
the only way you're gonna get tanking experience is by going and getting the shi...
lol
fallow osprey
he had your best interests at heart
dawn canyon
mini map position 😖
strong forum
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/213770533769052162/970813056982585384/u...
you got your pc back?
strong forum
makes sense
pallid quiver
Oh
oh no
i thought that brown box at the top right was the minimap for a second
that picture offends me
strong forum
na thats streets WA
cobalt seal
I hate having my Quest log going into details
So Minimap goes to left side
Thats empty
dawn canyon
Legit shiftclick all quests
cobalt seal
Legit shiftclick all quests
Got used to Minimap on left
Sorry ( not sorry)
Me right you all wrong
dawn canyon
I think the arrow weakaura for muezala disqualifies you from any debate
Use eyes 
All shits n giggles aside
Naowh weakauras are good
ocean yoke
Me right you all wrong
actually you left
cobalt seal
drifting fable
hey guys, got a first sigil drop today. am I correct to assume its probably better than my current chains of domination?
sick sentinel
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/213770533769052162/970813056982585384/u...
all WA's activated, "test" mode
cobalt seal
You serious need to move them
safe thistle
eurk at bottom like that you must not see them
dawn canyon
Since you are using the utility thing from the luxthos aura
Please just use the main thing too
And hide Bars or something
cobalt seal
Nameplates can still go up
safe thistle
why seeing red/outburst is over your hp bar
safe thistle
wheres the rage bar
dawn canyon
On the Unit frame
sick sentinel
was meant to be a "don't over/under rage thing"
safe thistle
so damn small
sick sentinel
doesn't work clearly
sick sentinel
i can solve alot of problems if i make 3 macros, 2 i said above for urh/wo, 1 for intervene mouse over shift mod focus or vice versa targeting
cobalt seal
You dont need bandaid
sick sentinel
but sure, i'll look into ui
dawn canyon
Fixing own UI is also kinda fun
wooden widget
There’s a pretty good chance you’ll make some weak auras or macros and end up never using them. Especially for the stuff you’re describing
sick sentinel
cuz, i can't get rid of the gryphons without like 4 seperate addons otherwise
sick sentinel
that's why, i just would want to hide them base ui, i believe i heard thats coming
dawn canyon
So let's boil down
safe thistle
thats ELvUI using sense profile moded and wa, cause i like what he did
safe thistle
ive cut the view
sick sentinel
is there even a big difference between tuki and elv, i thought i heard they are the same thing, or well, if you go to evlui . com it shows tuk ui forums and such often
sick sentinel
i'm simply acclomated to tukui now is all it is
dawn canyon
Or just go bartender4
With plater and default unitframes
And a few weakauras
You dont need to play in a spaceship
sick sentinel
i'll wait on the blizzard default ui changes borrow from ff14 (i don't play that weeb trash shit)
safe thistle
image was cut for some reason
its not hard
i was shit at that first
start it bit by bit and improve when you feel something aint right
dawn canyon
ignore conduits im kyr for fury rn
scenic mural
Yogi will literally post somthing, get valuable feedback, and respond somthin like “i need x macro” “i need y weak aura” etc. its so troll its admirable
chrome falcon
^
it's kind of incredible
i think the first time we told him to move that SB weakaura was like 3 months ago
sick sentinel
no it was because i also had IP bar
dawn canyon
im pretty sure
sick sentinel
and you said get rid of it
sick sentinel
i did
chrome falcon
you do you man it's just weird when you ask for help, get it, and then like weeks later you ask for help again and haven't implemented any of the help offered last time and we just give you the same feedback
cobalt seal
i did
It was still on a weird place
You want stuff when mobs are
So you dont lose time
Looking for said info
Especially if your entire tankiness resolves around it
dawn canyon
you could get something like this
where you see everything up close
rather than spread across ur screen
safe thistle
yogi you do pvp ?
sick sentinel
never
safe thistle
@shut summit got a nice WA but its still updated with BFA trinket !! 😛
anyway it all gonna be ignored :/
dawn canyon
i mean it doesnt break the weakaura
unique matrix
hey guys i have a question which is the best race for warrior ?
pallid quiver
For Prot is probably a Dorf of some sort due to the cleanse
chilly halo
hello everyone, i have a question about secondary stats for prot warriors.
Which stats are the most valuable, and what is the stat cap for thoses stats ?
pallid quiver
Haste by far the most valuable, though it's outwieghed by Strength
lofty widget
vulpera, but it's super minimal so just pick whatever you think looks coolest
pallid quiver
^^^ For Horde, yeah, Vulpera will generally add up to the most
Appearance though is the real bis race
lofty widget
hello everyone, i have a question about secondary stats for prot warriors.
Which...
str>>>haste (up to 40 % unbuffed)>>vers=>crit>mastery
dawn canyon
(dont stress over vers)
its a nice benefit not a requirement
play makes up most mitigation, not ur vers stat
chilly halo
str>>>haste (up to 40 % unbuffed)>>vers=>crit>mastery
thanks, is 40% not to much ? i mean this is a lot of investment, i feel like having 20% vers is really valuable too
lofty widget
thanks, is 40% not to much ? i mean this is a lot of investment, i feel like hav...
40 % is where the 20 % stat tax comes in so you start thinking about other stats, and dont go for any specific % vers
im doing 26/27s with 4 % vers for perspective
literally doesnt matter
dawn canyon
play makes up most mitigation, not ur vers stat
.
chilly halo
that mean by having 40% haste u mitigate dmg by using a lot of shield block and ignore pain ?
BTW i'm asking for a raiding spec
dawn canyon
prot currently works on a feedback loop of gaining and spending rage
with more haste you accelerate that loop
strong forum
More CDs, more outburst, more uptime, which means more rage which means more CDs and so on in an infinite loop
chilly halo
ok , thank u 🙂
dawn canyon
no actually the name is World of Warcraft: Shadowlands 🤓
sick sentinel
macros are done
dawn canyon
Now fix UI
chrome falcon
your most important buttons are still the furthest from your character
but it's a start
i would really recommend putting combat abilities right under your character in the top row
you put shield slam on the easiest to press button
why wouldn't you also make it the easiest to see
dawn canyon
Swap top and bottom row
chrome falcon
yeah
tough nacelle
is this the party frame? o.O
mighty valley
He listenned to something
enough of this anti-yogi propaganda. forming up the yogi defense squad
sick sentinel
is this the party frame? o.O
random garbage totem bar i think it calls it i just ignore it
mighty valley
why not... turn it off
waxen orbit
His motives are beyond mortal comprehension
modern brook
enough of this anti-yogi propaganda. forming up the yogi defense squad
answering the call
mighty valley
💪
undone verge
ocean yoke
ha you almost fooled me into thinking prot warrior is real
uneven crane
undone verge
languid carbon
Wow, it's more evenly distributed than I thought... Except for pwar 😿
stuck rock
Yeah if you completely ignore prot warrior exists tank distribution is pretty good
mighty valley
just proves wow players have bad taste
jagged pier
just proves that tier lists made by ppl that dont play the specs create an impact
on what ppl play
strong forum
If yiu go to 25+ it's not at all balanced all of a sudden
cobalt seal
just proves that tier lists made by ppl that dont play the specs create an impac...
Or their reasons
" vdh cant tank without 2 defensives"
"Bear is b tier"
cobalt seal
Those tier list are just memes
And noob traps
That discords have to deal with for 2 months
jagged pier
2 months
sweet summit
cobalt seal
People at least stopped asking if vdh is viable for keys because they saw it needing 2 defensives
How can those 2 memes so wrong about tier lists
And still doing them
jagged pier
one of them meme'd prot during an mdi even tho there teams was winning
and saying things like 'this is why you dont bring a prot warrior'
i mean the warrior was playing completely incorrectly
but their team still won
but thats bad apprently
cobalt seal
There are tier list and tier lists
brittle owl
then there's you
cobalt seal
Kohl
lofty widget
i mean tier lists can be good if theyre made by competent people
brittle owl
keep your mouth shut when adressing me jaja boi
cobalt seal
strong forum
Ayaya?
strong forum
sweet summit
tier lists also unintentionally make the gap between specs look bigger than they actually are, which is where a lot of misinformation may come from
dawn canyon
Also they cant Account for meta Shifts
Yumi had sub rogue in S tier for keys this season
Now you dont see any
jagged pier
strong forum
jagged pier
jagged pier
cobalt seal
Yumi had sub rogue in S tier for keys this season
Thats dif
Sub was S tier til Blizzard nerfed/buffes stuff
cobalt seal
Saying vdh needs two defensives. Pwar cant take physical sustain smg
Is just being ignorant
dawn canyon
Phys dam as in bleed or melees?
cobalt seal
I have no idea what those 2 mean
dawn canyon
Ok so
Bleeds are physical damage
And Mobs white swings also are
And the guy claimed we cant take physical sustained damage
Which of the 2 are they reffering to
blazing condor
i dont remember how to check what outbursts is cast on
how to see the cast sequences
jagged pier
blazing condor
how do in logs
lofty widget
damage done, then click the little outburst icon
jagged pier
go to events
damage done then choose say SS or TC
then top right is events
instead of table
then u just click the little outburst icon
and u can see what u used while u had outburst
deep solar
I've new to prot and struggling with Booming Voice, is Best Served Cold fine?
verbal hill
Which tank does the most aoe damage? Is it still Prot?
deep solar
it's easier to maintain banner with BV tho
but either option is fine <:okayge:91...
I only have Kyrian renown
sick sentinel
Which tank does the most aoe damage? Is it still Prot?
well, its either blood dk, prot pala, prot warrior, druid or monk
or dh
depends a lot, tbh
depends on pull size
how long adds live
verbal hill
Yeah I'm on about like a pack of 10 mobs
sweet summit
I only have Kyrian renown <:sadge:820202363359854633>
blazing condor
I only have Kyrian renown <:sadge:820202363359854633>
go bsc if youre not necro but go get necro renown
otherwise its a bit int and thats sussy
sick sentinel
again, depends if blood dk has the jailer weapon
overall, I would say, maybe, dk... maybe...
although prot warrior is a pumper
deep solar
Is Crackling Lightning that good? Bounding Strides seems like it would go well with Reprisal, but most of the ppl I'm seeing on RIO are running Lightning
lofty widget
it's personal pref
strong forum
Which tank does the most aoe damage? Is it still Prot?
Vdh
Has been all of SL
Bdk does really good aoe dps aswell, but on 10 targets vdh does defo more
Unless it's vs a venthyr guardian druid inside CDs ofc, then nobody can beat them
But overall its vdh I'd say
onyx matrix
What do you guys think about the talent tree revamps in dragonflight? Good, bad idea?
strong forum
insanely good idea
if you listened to the state of prot podcasts from 9.1 and 9.2 you can see ive asked for talent tree revamps all of SL
onyx matrix
I didnt cus I took a break between those patches
What are you hoping is coming back + talent points?
What kind of talents are you hoping is going to be in the trees
strong forum
basically the artifact abilities+ traits
some azerite traits like CR/Bom/deafening crash
some of the legendaries we got will be there aswell
NOT reprisal but instead meaningful ways to get good SB uptime
echo egret
Unpopular opinion but I don’t like non-permanent character skill customisation .
It makes no sense from a RPG point of vue to change talents so often, and it’s impossible to balance them as history has shown.
And of course permanent choices are horrible in our BiS-math-game.
So I would prefer if each class was set in stone.
onyx matrix
I know this talent will prob never be implemented again but sword and board would be a nice return and devastate actually does smth aka sunder armor or whatever
strong forum
id kinda want that we get more rage from spells if they crit
like arms' AA
or just bring back RFDT
sick sentinel
critical block should always trigger SS empower or cd reset, have some effect tied to it rather than oh, you blocked more
or like, talent: all normal warrior attacks have chance to daze or slow or stun briefly (wc3 mountain king)
strong forum
no, rage from damage taken
which means, you got a huge amount of rage from taking alot of dmg
if you lost like 80% HP in 1 hit, youd get like 80 rage or smth instantly
that was scrapped from legion to bfa
onyx matrix
which means, you got a huge amount of rage from taking alot of dmg
Lets revamp that talent and remove the dodge and parry to damage taken, win win for us
What a shame
onyx matrix
Lets hope and pray
median tulip
What kind of talents are you hoping is going to be in the trees
I am hoping that Dragon Charge becomes a PvE talent (c'mon, Dragon themed expansion, give us that), and that the Shrieking Flagon Anima Power also makes the cut. We really need some mob displacement abilities IMO.
onyx matrix
Hehe i love using that in rbgs, just plowing people out of the map in Eye of the storm
Revamping charge with that? Hahaha
cobalt seal
Unpopular opinion but I don’t like non-permanent character skill customisation ....
So you want dead talent tree
As its right now for most specs
Where at most you have like 2-3 choices
Instead of something way better
crude notch
I hope BoM comes back
crude notch
🙂
I hope all tanks get Bear treatment and not BDK treatment.
But I already know that Warrior and VDH might be in trouble.
strong forum
cobalt seal
Vdh shouldnt have problems
If Blizzard isnt scared of bringing Legion artifact stuff back
crude notch
VDH is a coin flip should be getting interesting stuff simply because like Bear it’s pretty bear bones right now.
cobalt seal
Vdh has prob the most to gain from it
crude notch
Yep
cobalt seal
If darkness chaos nova are in class tree
crude notch
Sadly we were discussing it matters more the design of your tree than what’s on your tree
cobalt seal
Thats already pretty good
crude notch
If darkness chaos nova are in class tree
Darkness on the class side would be huge
cobalt seal
And Legion/bfa had interesting traits
To make a good spec tree
And since bdk got mini 4p
Vdh could get some kind of mini 4p also
crude notch
That’d be pog
Yeah I got VDH in the same bucket as Bear. Like you said, a lot more to gain.
sweet summit
pls be spear
strong forum
shockwave will prolly be class tree aswell
same as stormbolt
sure, but warri overall should get it
crude notch
Like VDH is very bear bones
So there’s more chances of new things popping up.
Like with the Guardian tree.
strong forum
well yeah
crude notch
BDK’s tree is almost entirely current stuff. With the exception of exploding bone shield.
median tulip
I don't think we will see many new-new things. I would enjoy the return of some of the (good) Azerite powers
strong forum
cuz bdk doesnt really have anything theyre missing from Legion/BFA are they?
crude notch
The problem with BDK is it’s going from it’s current state to choosing 3/4 of its current state.
Whereas, yeah I could see Warrior getting some cool stuff from past iterations. (Azerite, Artifact tree stuff, etc.)
crude notch
I think Warrior is actually safe with the new talent trees, thinking about it.
sweet summit
noob
onyx vessel
strong forum
5sec SR, Banner/Bom, Azerite stuff, Dragon Scales, Bigger Rage cap, Unnerving, Nelth fury
crude notch
I’m worried about Monk because their kit is pretty full right now, so chances are they’ll end up like BDK and just choosing 3/4 of their current kit.
onyx vessel
We will have something busted in 10.0 
strong forum
Nomeratur not #1 prot war yet
me no push
me only meme
sense is working on it tho
sweet summit
strong forum
if things go as they are scyther might snipe that spot actually tho
dude jumped into 25s with 250 ilvl
sweet summit
scyther on dh still?
strong forum
no
sweet summit
oh?
sweet summit
epic
crude notch
@strong forum current talent combo that you hope is possible in DF but isn’t currently because they’re on the same row?
sweet summit
itf and ravager 🥺
strong forum
i just want AM to not be a choice
it should be a pick
not a choice
i dont want to decide between block or am
thats absolute garbage
hidden kindle
any takes blood spattered vs aegis in keys? 27 ish lvl
strong forum
aegis better
graceful sundial
i'd love to have banners and some legion stuff again
strong forum
ya banner and outburst should stay
big fun
take away the group buff
just gib rage gen
chrome falcon
if outburst is gonna stay i'd like to see it be a bit more developed
so pressing TC isn't so bad
i think currently prot is like pretty close to perfect if they tweak TC a bit so it's less sad to press
and put the extra block somewhere other than reprisal
sick sentinel
reprisal makes alot of sense, you need the SB as you go into battle for SS attack and not die to melee
chrome falcon
all i hope is that in dragonflight we don't have to go back to unstoppable force
reprisal is fine but i'm not playing with it for 3 years straight
shit's annoying
unless you have lag or very very slow hands you already have SB for the first melees that hit you anyway
toxic pewter
Hope they remove reprisal for sure and also have an alternative non haste build that could be just as good as high apm carpal tunnel build
chrome falcon
also like erga said
some variation of the artifact ability
that you play like 10% of the time for very specific situations
would be nice
upbeat raft
Is 40% haste too much? I'm doing like 19 keys and dying too often, and my healer is suggesting swapping out some haste for vers to smooth out my damage intake; I'm not sure if that's right.
chrome falcon
it's not right
never listen to your healer
40% haste unbuffed is the MAXIMUM that you want though
is that 40% unbuffed or with ITF stacks
upbeat raft
Unbuffed
wheat shadow
It's kind of a lot
chrome falcon
yeah i mean that's the maximum you want
we normally say go haste until 40% unbuffed then other stuff
because after 40% you get fucked by diminishing returns
but if you're dying in 19s it's nothing to do with your stats or gear
chrome falcon
either you, your dps, or your healer, or all of you, are doing stuff wrong
do you have a log of a key where you died? much easier to make observations in that case
wheat shadow
Specifically what key as well
toxic pewter
Make sure your using shield block correctly