And all u have to do it press KS
#protection
jagged pier
shut summit
blood furnace was fine imo, any spec being able to mind control made it a joke
shit like aoe grip being only on blood sucks, or DH debuff etc
jagged pier
Well it was made with 2 spreists in mind is my point
jagged pier
shit like aoe grip being only on blood sucks, or DH debuff etc
THIS
chrome falcon
yeah mass grip needed to go back onto all DK specs
shut summit
lei shen back in the day with ball lightning, doing it without DPS DK having aoe grip woulda been awful
chrome falcon
but it looks like they're getting abom limb instead
which is fucking tilting for them because that ability is horrible to play with
jagged pier
yeah mass grip needed to go back onto all DK specs
Like i would probs be on warrior if bdk wasnt required for like all the fights but 1
safe thistle
oh yah we had someone come on a low geared blood dk for soulrender
all he did is grab add
jagged pier
Well you dont need it but its far easier with
brittle owl
is it
jagged pier
And its my cotanks/ officers favourite tank 🤷♂️
brittle owl
antorus level of "far easier"
safe thistle
the dps loss of 1 player was nothing compared to the gain of stacking them
shut summit
literally the only time i feel somewhat bad for being on warr is on grip fights
safe thistle
nobody wanna tank on guardian its too boring they would fall asleep on keyboard
shut summit
she was monk in nathria cuz we needed debuff 🙃
brittle owl
keks
jagged pier
U havent played brm :kekw: @safe thistle then
Well this patch anyway
Press KS u dont purify because u have nizauo up all the time
safe thistle
nah cause each time i lvl a monk as tank i wanna slice my wrist
safe thistle
yah still broken ? it was yesterday
brittle owl
baseline monk in SL has been smash keyboard anyway
jagged pier
Well true but without tier its at least got more thought
brittle owl
that's been monk for a few expacs
jagged pier
Well it used to drop when soaking pillars on jailer and u just die because u had 170k hp andu drop to 90k 
brittle owl
CB usage at least makes a difference
safe thistle
ohhh thats why my cotank died on pillar no KS refresh
jagged pier
Ive died on rygelon because cb is on the gcd
shut summit
it was rough before the dot nerf but doable, super comfortable now
jagged pier
Yep also expalined
brittle owl
ehps is misleading doe
healers still love monks
even though they have generally speaking highest ehps
safe thistle
well indomitable work well but healer seems to top me off when i offtank while i could heal by myself fine
so much rage that you heal a lot now
jagged pier
healers still love monks
Well yer because u literally dont take as much damage because you just make it vanish
minor helm
Just tell the damage "No"
jagged pier
When your stagger it at like 15k on rygelon 2 purifys down to 3k 
bye bye damage
sick sentinel
"i knew the horde tanks didn't have big balls" when i didn't pull top 6 valor run start trash with 1st boss
swift stag
Gotta say, this was a first
mighty valley
...............................................
chrome falcon
jesus
lofty widget
strength least important stat 
sick sentinel
it ONLY gives him a buff guys
he ... doesn;t have to run unity if he don't wnna
thats how i look at this and the problem with solve itself
maybe he doesn't know what it is
mighty valley
but like. even if you don't understand ANYTHING about the legendary, you're comparing it to a piece of gear that doesn't do anything
chrome falcon
yeah come on that's totally indefensible
i don't have to wear a helmet if i don't want to but that doesn't mean i'm not a total dingus
sick sentinel
i think that this individual is confused into believing he can only have one equipped
chrome falcon
sure that seems possible
the game doesn't actually explicitly say you can wear unity with the others
sick sentinel
he'll probably come to the realization some time later this week
that, or he just didnt wanna do th quest
chrome falcon
doesn't mean it's not funny
jagged pier
Gotta say, this was a first
:noted:
swift stag
no he had the 265 unity, and straight up didn't want to equip a 2nd lego
had full 4 pc and was decently geared
sick sentinel
did he understand that he could equip 2 at same time?
sick sentinel
you get alot of people with interesting beliefs in this game...
jagged pier
I mean haste mastery isnt even bad im so confused on what he means
chrome falcon
they might literally just think a 265 haste/mast belt is worse than 278 belt with his best stats
and just giga undervalue the legendary effect
but that would be so insane
jagged pier
But its a leggo
grave crane
Some people think mastery is bad I guess it doesn’t make sense though like it’s literally free second leggo with whatever stats you want?
grave crane
Extend conq banner and give it to a third dps. Seems infinitely better than a belt that only gives stats
mighty valley
my best guess is he's somehow come to be like
"extend banner? but it only gives me mastery"
has not looked at conduits or like. thought about anything
someone needs to get this guy to prot warrior boot camp
vernal vale
It's funny how many times I've stated to people warrior is good right now.
They don't understand and I have to give them a full explanation of how it plays right now.
mighty valley
But the tier list
ocean yoke
yeah wait the boomkin main youtube man told me it is turbo dogshit
chrome falcon
i dunno
if we have representatives like that
i don 't blame people
problem is that all the mediocre-decent players are so convinced prot is dogshit that the only people who still play it are absolute trashcans or the 1% of the tank playerbase who understands they're actually decent
jagged pier
i mean i cant even make prot warrior content right now
no one would watch it anyway cause a boomkin told everyone prot was bad
🤷
mighty valley
it's ok this makes us cool smart underdogs
safe thistle
its funny cause all tank are pretty beefy right now
safe thistle
yah prot dps in key is crazy
ocean yoke
omg magic damage though?!!
jagged pier
4 rage per second tho
chrome falcon
i don't think you understand jakey
we have no way to group mobs up
and thus
dirt tier
jagged pier
hmmm
safe thistle
yah cause grab only fix stupid dps attackjing the only 1 outside the pack...
then... i died i had aggro !!!!! lol let it come to us with interrupt
grave crane
Ok but like prot takes way more damage and can’t heal ah shit wait a minute
jagged pier
🤔
sick sentinel
solution: don't take the damage
grave crane
Yeah I know I was memeing on other people
safe thistle
if you dont have SR ready and kick arent done its the only time i drop low
ppl dont like to interrupt
oh well even dps dk will be able to have abom limb
that will help group with not bdk
vernal vale
Ok but like prot takes way more damage and can’t heal ah shit wait a minute
I started sharing EHRPS with people and am consistantly needing less healing than dps
strong forum
he was clearly memeing
vernal vale
Yeah, just saying people who don't know get all pissy saying we need so much healing. Then I share that with them and they are forced to shut up.
vernal vale
problem is that all the mediocre-decent players are so convinced prot is dogshit...
This is the most true statement ever.
late wasp
problem is that all the mediocre-decent players are so convinced prot is dogshit...
I feel attacked 😦
chrome falcon
thank you i am very smart
well if you're in here
you're on the right track to being in the good club
deep steppe
no one would watch it anyway cause a boomkin told everyone prot was bad
Did a new video come out that I need to see?
Gotta get my opinions from a trusted source
jagged pier
well i can upload my 15k dps run if ppl want
chrome falcon
were you outbursting any TCs in that run
i heard we're supposed to be doing that sometimes now
jagged pier
yer i was
not a lot tho
there wasnt any thought behind it ither i was just like seems like a good place to TC with outburst
🤷
wooden widget
K good 😊
Booming prolly cuz ur not running reprisal?
I’d love to look at that 17 actually if you logged it
jagged pier
nah that 17 was BV and rep
jagged pier
i did siesmic BSC like 87% uptime run a while ago
wooden widget
Gotcha I haven’t looked into seismic at all yet ty
jagged pier
tbh kinda feel a bit meh with 4pc and stuff now
strong forum
yea seismic is not fun
shut summit
im so ready for reprisal to be gone
jagged pier
same
strong forum
im so ready to have a good way to get good uptime on SB by just playing well
shut summit
in like 280 jailer pulls i died one time to falling in a hole and i totally just jumped out to charge and fell right in
wanted to throw my keyboard
strong forum
in 1 way i like reprisal
cuz of the on demand rage gain
but on the other i hate the effort that has to be put in just to keep up SB
jagged pier
im so ready to have a good way to get good uptime on SB by just playing well
we havent seen our tree yet we dont know if we get it
in before rep is on there
👀
chrome falcon
more than 0% chance
strong forum
its toxic design
chrome falcon
just because it's our most used (only) legendary
shut summit
most used = most liked by community obv
jagged pier
most used = most liked by community obv
thats what im worried they'll see
chrome falcon
DK's hate abom limb
strong forum
i like it for the fact that its not dumbfuck easy
chrome falcon
and they're getting that shit back
strong forum
and the rage
chrome falcon
guarantee they'd all rather just get mass grip
strong forum
but i dislike it whenever its a struggle to charge :^)
strong forum
idk how it is on mythic, but i found it pretty good, but annoying to play on LoD
shut summit
said in alpha or beta or w/e, block increasing talents/legendaries/conduits just suck and are mandatory
chrome falcon
i played rep on LoD because forgot wall and we killed it before i bothered getting it
strong forum
but no
jagged pier
but iron madien would have actually been good
strong forum
instead we got SoF
chrome falcon
but basically on mythic i was only able to intervene for rep procs
and then do it during swarms/among us
so it wasn't total dogshit
strong forum
with current revenge usage iron maiden would be giga
strong forum
i dont see the issue
cuz like wed just have slightly higher SB uptime than now
but instead we could play like UW or the wall
or rather seismic
without the need to ping pogn
grave crane
Ok but ping pong warrior is mini game that makes healers and dps stay on thier toes. Where am I going? No one knows
strong forum
reminder that DK gets a tier+leggo combo which gets them a 2min CD with 90% uptime
so id say Iron Maiden would only be fair
jagged pier
and gavel
chrome falcon
uh
jagged pier
our on use wep sucks
strong forum
well gavel
chrome falcon
don't we have one of those too
jagged pier
only a very very small % of prots can actually keep banner up
for 90%
to be brutally honest
chrome falcon
isn't that also true for bdk
strong forum
no
jagged pier
nope
chrome falcon
oh
chrome falcon
i guess i just feel like banner is also pretty easy but maybe not
strong forum
like sure, you could argue our tier + leggo combo is also broken
but its not on a level as BDK
grave crane
I think banner takes more work and practice to get down
hoary glen
i have a question general about the warrior and the covernants. Is it good to take necrolords or kyrian for M+? Except which spec?
chrome falcon
always necrolord for everything
hoary glen
seriously?
chrome falcon
seriously.
hoary glen
for each spec? or only prot
chrome falcon
for prot
hoary glen
what about the others?
strong forum
for dps its kyrian
strong forum
also kyr
hoary glen
thank you!
mighty valley
the DKs I know like abom limb when it's optional, which it kinda? is on the talent tree
we'll see how the builds fall out
i like having abom limb on a dps dk in the squad for a lot of m+ stuff
except for the times it sucks
chrome falcon
so the problem with abom limb
is that it's clearly there so dks can "kinda" do BDK jobs with mass grip
but it's just so much worse than it
that you kinda just have to bring BDK anyway
for grip fights
ebon wren
hey guys I get wrecked in DOS. Worst dungeon for my prot ever. a staghorn hit me for 50k and I dropped dead. (guess I was already low). In like, +18. Is that normal? Millhouse was hitting me with frostbolts for 40k each. missed interrupt aside, is that friggin normal? Fucker hit me for 40k twice in a row. another death. It was a bad run, and I feel like I want to delete my prot warrior. My other tanks do not have this problem. They just dont. Whenever I dust off the prot war though I get wrecked. Any tips lol?
chrome falcon
if you're letting milhouse frostbolt you you're fucking up real bad
especially twice in a row
you have kick and spell reflect
and if you let a staghorn melee you without having shield block up
you fucked up real bad
mighty valley
what affixes? ardenweald should really tickle prot warrior, and we're one of the best equipped for millhouse, dps only have to handle a few kicks
chrome falcon
yeah
dos is hard for prot
but not for either of the reasons you just mentioned
those are the easy bits
mighty valley
spell reflect one, kick next one, dps does a kick, you can handle the next two
wooden widget
well i can upload my 15k dps run if ppl want
chrome falcon
staghorn death is more concerning than milhouse death
millhouse death is obvious to fix
just press your buttons and kick/SR and hope your dps do the same
but dying to melees is bad
need to keep shield block up if you're tanking a mob like that
proc reprisal and kite if you don't have any way to get SB up
ebon wren
ya ok. bosses rarely are a problem, that was a surprise. I guess I let SB drop for the stag. But that's such a pain, there's always moments where SB drops for a few seconds and I dont feel an instant death is fair
sick sentinel
ebon wren
thats my gripe with prot, SB dropping is so stupidly punishing
mighty valley
SB uptime can be really really high, and you should anticipate if it might fall off for any reason and be ready to kite a few seconds
chrome falcon
SB dropping is only a problem if you're not reprisal-ing properly
and when it absolutely has to drop, you know it's coming, so you can kite
rugged mural
SB uptime is super high and you can fill with Shockwave or Leap out.
chrome falcon
ardenweald is a huge area so you can leap out to kite for sure
sick sentinel
uhhh is it more common to hold W on pf fort or do the invis to first boss 15's
ebon wren
ill probably respec into heavy repercussions. I dont want to dart around as much as it requires
mighty valley
you really really shouldn't
ebon wren
lol
mighty valley
with tier, AM is mandatory
chrome falcon
please do not cripple yourself out of 3k dps
ebon wren
Tattman is using it
sick sentinel
i need to pug into a 15 PF this weekend, so i want to try to just make sure
mighty valley
it's possssssssible there's an argument for the very very very top end
that's not 18s though
chrome falcon
you can play HR
at like 27+
because stuff actually hurts
and WILL kill you in 1 auto
ebon wren
I do have a log matta but its ok, I know where I messed up
chrome falcon
but that's not the case for literally 99.999999999% of people
there are maybe 5 prot warriors doing keys that require HR
sick sentinel
hr is fun but its kinda not so very good
strong forum
youre missing out on so much
chrome falcon
uhhh is it more common to hold W on pf fort or do the invis to first boss 15's
it literally doesn't matter just pick one and make sure your group knows what you're doing
how is HR fun
HR is the opposite of fun
mighty valley
you can get great sb uptime anyway and without AM you're cheating yourself out of so much damage + 10% DR uptime + IP
chrome falcon
how is losing 40% avatar uptime and a shitload of outbursts fun
strong forum
youre losing out on outbursts, high uptime on Avatar, and TONS of SW casts
chrome falcon
I do have a log matta but its ok, I know where I messed up
sure but feel free to post it anyway, others might see stuff you missed
mighty valley
anyway i hope we've made the point lol
cobalt seal
Its yogi
chrome falcon
just please don't play HR it's so much worse
even if you literally never proc reprisal
cobalt seal
Dont take him serious
sick sentinel
i probably could have had alot more, but i had 20 SW's in that +15 spires i just 1 starred
sick sentinel
probably people here doing 30 40 SW's a key
chrome falcon
unlikely unless you're pressing it on CD for no reason
strong forum
youd have to try real hard to overuse SW like that
chrome falcon
if you wanted more than 30 SWs a key you would literally press it on CD and during downtimes
trolling
sick sentinel
if your in medium to heavy combat and theres gunna be an urh, soon, sure , send your SW i say
sick sentinel
nah, nope, pepega sure
sick sentinel
i mean, you guys don't just pretty much send all your CD's on a medium to large pull?
lofty widget
how is he alive is the question
chrome falcon
no yogi not really
chrome falcon
not in a 15-18
sick sentinel
that's kinda what i do, have been hitting IP alot more last couple of dungeons
strong forum
na i only use SW a few times a dungeon
strong forum
but thats only lowish keys
chrome falcon
i SW specific moments that i know are going to be scary
or if i fuck up and i'm about to drop SB
and cba kiting
sick sentinel
+20 key to me is ...
sick sentinel
you know +15 ksm mount item ultimate desire, well, a +20 is the complete opposite of that for me
dawn canyon
20 TOP is easier than your 15 idk HOA
sick sentinel
that was that key i had at the time and that was my philosphy at the time, just send it and see if somethin happens
that key only happened because 10 million bite dmg feral killing explosives
cobalt seal
Thats like the opposite
chrome falcon
just start doing like 9k dps by pressing SS and revenge properly and you can easily do 20s
cobalt seal
Of what tanks should do
chrome falcon
yeah if you're just randomly hitting SW whenever
then it's not going to be up when your dps miss 2 kicks
or your healer gets stunned or dies
or you fuck up and drop SB
mighty valley
there are danger pulls that justify an early SW to stabilize and not panic healer
basically be thoughtful about it
a bit
chrome falcon
oh yeah there are definitely pulls where i just pop sw when i'm 100% hp just so i go to 60% hp instead of 20% hp
but you know what those are in advance
strong forum
^
issue is after that
thats when you start sweating
and need good group coordination / use LS
cobalt seal
Tank is about planning in advance
chrome falcon
well
cobalt seal
Not riding the moment
cobalt seal
Thats current dk
sick sentinel
its more like "there is a fuck load of dudes here casting shit at entire party and one of them doing ... tank killer.... which don't really hurt so much, but because our group hp is low, it will probably wipe us" which is on start of a big pull at start of dungeon, after a boss etc
sweet summit
me
sick sentinel
well, its not like they are going to make us do +20 keys and +25's for portals right?
sick sentinel
i'll get bored once i do this mount
cobalt seal
Like you did with previous ones?
strong forum
ya is kinda funny how tanks just do progressively more dmg the higher the keys get
dawn canyon
well i was more thinking about it from my fury perspective as shit finally lives ur entire cooldowns
but yes tank damage in high keys is baffling
chrome falcon
tank sustained dps is basically same as dps sustained dps
we just don't have burst cds
(orange class aside)
30 seconds into a pack/boss and all the dps CDs have run out
meanwhile we just popped our second avatar and banner is still up
mighty valley
s'why individual dps is better if all the dps are good, they get more overall time in big suck burst cds
where if burst time goes down, we thrive
well we don't thrive because the pulls are lasting longer and that sucks
but we catch up
umbral island
Aim frontals at your dps right as the mobs are hitting 20% so we can top details 
cobalt seal
Why is there 10m
toxic pewter
Congrats @sick sentinel 🎉
potent anvil
Got a scale 
sick sentinel
Got a scale <:gladge:963970137701109820>
i don't have evidence of this, but i have the 278 scale from the vault, and i got one 265 and was able to trade it to the monk in group
strong forum
sick sentinel
dunno if he vendor specced it, but i figured if he go monk tank he can use it
sick sentinel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZEPgLkzhwE how to KSM, by yogi (||cheat2win||)
safe thistle
nice gratz @sick sentinel cya next xpac
sick sentinel
i won a 10.0 waiting room
dawn canyon
no purple one for you?
sick sentinel
for mage maybe, arcane of course
i want the blue/purple one too, , reminds me of a void walker pet
dawn canyon
Dps ksm is a very different experience
sick sentinel
PepegaCard
dawn canyon
Yesnt
It depends on how you do
If you are the one being carried by a huge dps its prolly fine
But being the one person who seems to do damage can tilt a bit
sweet summit
sweet summit
<:peepoBlush:818323879315505233>
sick sentinel
i made dk floor POV again through this monstrosity, but its ogre
grave crane
I’ve had some bad luck with boomys just not doing a lot of damage
chrome falcon
boomie wants you to do insane giga pulls for their 3 min cd
potent anvil
I think that's just how they are. Not sure.
strong forum
just dont play with boomies
its literally the worst m+ spec
i think even aff is better
chrome falcon
yep spec is in a bad spot
strong forum
you need god tier boomkins and relatively high keys to see one do dmg
but thats been the case with boomkin all of SL, only good ones will actually do anything
urban portal
Boomkin is the 5th affix
chrome falcon
is the only good chicken is a resto casting starsurges
and even then
they should be a cat
sick sentinel
Boomkin is the 5th affix
same can be said about prot warrior some extent lol
chrome falcon
but that would be wrong
potent anvil
I have 35% crit now 
chrome falcon
ebon wren
hey guys. I dont like the necro play style. It just seems.. boring. I want to go fae. I like running around as a vulpin. Talk me into liking necro?
ebon wren
I hate having to dart around and constantly watch my banner timer. It's stressful.
vernal vale
I hate having to dart around and constantly watch my banner timer. It's stressfu...
Don't watch timer just focus om good play.
ebon wren
maintaining shield block is stressful enough.
vernal vale
Good play and banner comes naturally
ebon wren
well ill hit banner and then think about how many leaps and charges I could have done when it falls off 30 seconds later
chrome falcon
thinking you need to leap out for rep is problem #1
just backpedal away from a caster for half a second and charge it
ebon wren
ya I do that too
chrome falcon
macro your intervene onto a melee and just treat it like a mini shield block that gives you free rage
ebon wren
then frost mages yell at me for moving too much
ebon wren
ha
chrome falcon
and why do you need to watch your banner timer?
do you stop spending rage because banner is down?
banner should not change your playstyle whatsoever
you still want to generate and spend as much rage as humanly possible
for tier/AM
ebon wren
well. because that's what you do lol. its like a compeitition with yourself each time to see how long you can make it last
vernal vale
then frost mages yell at me for moving too much
They can complain your the tabk focus on survival/good pkay
ebon wren
the meta game
chrome falcon
hey man first thing you learn when you start playing a sport like tennis
don't watch where your shot went
just focus on getting back to centre
banner's the same
if you're watching banner you're not watching stuff that actually matters
ultimately though you can play whatever you want
the other covenants are just significantly worse
vernal vale
Banner uptime improves the better you do by a lot.
chrome falcon
the reason your banner is low is because you don't generate or spend enough rage
that's still going to punish you on other covenants
even more so, frankly
i really recommend you post a log so we can see where you're going wrong
might be something obvious and easy to fix
it normally is
chrome falcon
if banner is only up for 30 seconds that means you only extended it for 15, and 15 seconds would be 300 rage
and that's loooooooooow low low
ebon wren
heh. ya I really should get a log and get critique. I dont have a good log at moment havent been playing prot for a while
vernal vale
Post any recent log.
chrome falcon
what's your character name, someone in your runs might have logged without you knowing
ebon wren
Jiims - Tichondrius
vernal vale
True I log every run I do now.
ebon wren
recent dos run went terrible. that'd be a good one
cinder storm
step 2, listen to mattacate
sick sentinel
step 2, copy link to the analyzer on same website
step 3 study that data
tells you if you are doing a good job wasting rage or not and blocking stuff, or other stuff your spec is supposed to do i presume, dps stuff
chrome falcon
there's a few logs from like april/march jims but those are pretty old now so you might as well just log your next run
even if it goes well or bad
i'm looking at some random 16 gambit and you're not running the last stand conduit @ebon wren
but that was a month ago so you might have fixed that
cinder storm
only way to get better is knowing how bad you are, then admitting you need to improve
just humble yourself
🙏
ebon wren
ya no im still not. i figured 15 seconds of rage every 3 minutes is kind of- crap?
i guess its more ignore pains in a big pull?
chrome falcon
ok so
it's 52% more
for 15 seconds
so
charge+avatar+shield slam
is 110 rage
without that conduit running
if you have LS up with the conduit
an outburst shield slam generates like 70 rage
DS goes to 60
m+ and raid aren't 1 to 1 comparable but by popping all my CDs and last stand on the pull on a raid boss i can literally get a second avatar 25 seconds into a pull
sick sentinel
whats demo if you boomer voice it up
chrome falcon
first 20 seconds of a pull i literally have to press ignore pain nine of ten times
and i still overcap
the LS conduit is insanely good
ebon wren
yup ok convinced.
chrome falcon
by the time my LS runs out on the pull
i have 25 seconds left on my banner
that has already been running for 15 seconds
these are my casts for the first 20 seconds with all CDs running
(i dunno why banner/avatar/LS aren't on there but you get the point lol)
and then because you're generating so much rage
guess what
you get an outburst'd SS
and oh, that's even more rage
and now you get avatar faster, oh, that's another outburst'd SS, that's even more rage
literally this class does 3 things
ebon wren
yup yup
chrome falcon
- keep SB up
- generate rage
- spend rage
that's all you gotta do
which is part of why banner is so good, extremely high uptime on 4 rage/second
so yeah basically with the conduit LS turns into an insane dps+surviability button
you press it on cooldown (as long as banner is up)
you were also playing ITF in that run
ravager is better
more dam more rage
wait
no
i'm looking
at my anduin kill log
LMAO
ebon wren
heh. im using ravager and booming voice
chrome falcon
yeah that's fine
uh also again this is an old log so it might not be true
but you're using outburst on TC a lot
it's ok to do it sometimes when you have a ton of rage and there are 5+ targets
but 80%+ outbursts should be on SS
again, it's all about the rage
ebon wren
oh. damn busted. ya I need an aura or something, I just ignore when its avialable and do my rotation as normal
chrome falcon
we've got 2 WA's in the pins
the one at the bottom of the pins is a simple stack counter
or you can get the one that's like a bar that fills up
ebon wren
nice. will grab
chrome falcon
outburst TC=15 rage
outburst SS= 45 rage
so outburst SS already gets you 1 full stack closer to your next outburst
and outburst TC damage is crap anyway, so it's only worth doing on big pulls where you're already drowning in rage
you definitely want some kind of aura so you don't overwrite your natural outburst with your avatar one
or vice versa
sick sentinel
If i can do it, anybody can do it, that's a fact.
safe thistle
mostly this season anyone can get ksm
ebon wren
3000 is the new ksm, really
chrome falcon
chrome falcon
but what about the 3rd of 4 identical mounts that are just recolours
don't you want the mount recolour
cobalt seal
Mount recolour is good
modern brook
mostly this season anyone can get ksm
you outscale KSM every season
safe thistle
ya but this season dps really did skyrocket
crude notch
What
waxen orbit
Mans is tweakin
cinder nova
How busted will 285 OWS be you think? 🤔
mighty valley
Relatively as busted as it was in 9.1
mint pike
whats a reasonable banner uptime in a key?
toxic pewter
Apparently 100% any less and you are not worthy to call yourself a protection warrior
mint pike
damn guess ill go kms
mint pike
ok i got a lot to work on then
hazy edge
Hit a training dummy till you're able to keep banner up for 2 min and you'll be good 👍
mint pike
so its possible to have a 2 minute banner on single target?
sweet kettle
with uhr you dont need two minutes
toxic pewter
so its possible to have a 2 minute banner on single target?
Yes, it is possible. The key to it all is reprisal. You must charge and intervene
and ouburst on shield slam, do not waste rage
mint pike
Ok thanks. I had to tank for raid this week and it got me to try necro which im actually liking a lot
toxic pewter
and use abilities real good and real fast
ya it is high apm (actions per minute) spec
u do good. u go fast
mint pike
yeah it reminds me of legion prot warrior... almost
onyx vessel
Shit my banner uptime is like 20%
toxic pewter
I have found the more I am charging and intervening the better I do
sweet kettle
who wants to review my log
onyx vessel
sick sentinel
i have to do 2 more 15s cuz i did a 10 and a 6 for valor for som reason today
still have 3rd option, but like why if its a +6 option
right, for valor to upgrade my valor shield that seemingly doesn't exist lol, or, i'll get it with 1 week to go in patch
sick sentinel
https://wowanalyzer.com/ how reliable is this site guys for our spec or any spec really i guess
seems like it could be useful, seems like it could be total garbage
pallid quiver
i'm still rocking the 223 catch-up gear green shield
it makes me feel bad every time i see it
onyx vessel
Buy one for sandrelics
pallid quiver
there's not a shield there from what i saw
sick sentinel
like, i was able to look on one of my logs through that link, and it instantly showed me that im wasting 13.7% of my rage
sick sentinel
probably, bad habit letting it get too large
onyx vessel
Charge gives what 40 rage
pallid quiver
Charge 40, Shield Slam 15 or 45, yeah pretty easy; generally SS is the big waster from what I've seen from logs
onyx vessel
Normally when you charge in you hit ss
So you now at 55 ravager down
Hit avatar
Rage capped prob
Maybe worth it to hit ip on pull
Nothing else gonna dump rage
sick sentinel
getting this giant amount of rage, and being big mald and then we cast it on a whole bunch of IP's is kinda llike, i get it i gues in a sense, just dulling the pain through getting so mad, but i think i want to go BSC this week if i do more keys. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lhv_yFMuwxs
give me revenge!!
onyx vessel
I dont even wanna know how much wasted rage we use a fight
When im off tanking in raid
Spamming revenge
No shield block
Taunt boss then shield block
Couldnt care less about wasting rage in raid
sick sentinel
never been too much into raid except see the content and the RP and shit
onyx vessel
For aotc id guess
Which tank dying in heroic isnt your fault in heroic
Why did you die everyone else died or wipe called
sick sentinel
i did an aotc one time EP, fuck that, be stuck with 15 other idiots gotta be super polite and courteous and stuff for many hours, raid leader up your ass dps is slightly lower than expected
nuh uh
onyx vessel
Shit i had a bad experience in bfa 2nd tier with tank threat problems
Tanking as a 3rd tank when someone was mia both of them hated tanking with me
Both grey parsing trash
sick sentinel
it never stops, the dps getting aggro and dying, that is.
onyx vessel
Crying cuz im using 2 dps trinkets
I just hit buttons
Yeah entitled officers crying drama cuz his gf needs something and shes bitching
Popcorn to me
🍿
Raiding is a pain the ass as a guild
sick sentinel
one of the guys in my guild i helped run was "dating" i guess you'd call it a "girl" as in like, it was almost 95% sure a 100% male just trying to scam him out of money or something worse, who knows but all the signs, we told him plenty of times
and he just wants to believe it so bad, just feel bad for him i guess
onyx vessel
Con the loners
sick sentinel
"Be wary when hunting monsters that you yourself do not also become one"
sick sentinel
also no, I'm not a tweaker on performance drugs n shit lol, know what tweaking is
onyx vessel
You dont need that shit anyways
mighty valley
what does mr bean mean to you
onyx vessel
What does it matter
You want me to change my pfp to a anime loli like everyone else
mighty valley
you're valid, you can do what you want
you just don't see a mr bean every day
it's been over 20 years since he was on television after all
pallid quiver
mr. bean's getting a resurgence recently; I had no idea who the bean was for a large portion of my life due to not watching anything ever, but I've starting seeing a bunch of Mr. Bean references everywhere
waxen orbit
I'm watching my guildie's stream where this prot warr he's running with is hitting TC off CD and not hitting Execute at all
Oh god he's dumping empowerments into TC
blazing condor
onyx vessel
I'm watching my guildie's stream where this prot warr he's running with is hitti...
Teach me the ways
I guess im dumb pwarr
grave crane
You want to use most outburst on SS
But some outburst on TC is ok especially to not cap rage
pallid quiver
TC's fine to hit if you need the rage as long as you don't have an outburst proc that you can spend on SS
but if you're at a time period where you've got banner up, ravager down, LS up, and you're at like 60 rage? might want to consider leaving that button alone for a few seconds
mighty valley
yeah there are times when you just can't afford to spend the GCD on TC for a mere 5 rage
you still should in the low rage part of the cycle to maximize
cinder nova
Yo
is the water in Ard for DOS bugged?
I was getting my camera thrown into the ground
It was so frustrating
waxen orbit
He's worgen
I've seen people complaining about it
Camera options, disable camera collision
old nacelle
I was in top +16, the 3 dps died often and we ran out of time 18 minutes. At the end of the dungeon the dps started to offend the healer: the healer then spammed an "Amount of failure damage" ranking in chat and this triggered the dps. I have found that it is an addon called elitism helper and there are very controversial opinions as to whether it should be used or not. I ask you if it's a proper healer addon, if it's useful, and if the tank must have it too. thanks!!!
craggy pilot
its useful, as it lets you know what people got hit by when they take a large chunk of dmg, then you can start looking into the spell and you might learn to dodge it in the future
but you should probably set it up so it doesnt spam the chat, that is the VERY controversial thing about it
people dont like chat to be spammed every time they take dmg
jagged pier
i wouldnt get it seems like a dumb addon thats against they new code of conduct anyways
craggy pilot
how is it against the code of conduct, if you set it to only output to yourself?
craggy pilot
back in the day, i would lose like 80% of my hp and think "wtf just happened"
installing Elitism helper would always tell me "you got hit by x spell"
and it made so much more sense
craggy pilot
usually puts up in party chat
yea this is a shit thing to do by default 😄
old nacelle
its useful, as it lets you know what people got hit by when they take a large ch...
👌🏻
craggy pilot
also before installing the addon, i had no idea when i lost big chunks of HP if it was "avoidable dmg" or "just another tank hit"
craggy pilot
yea +
onyx vessel
Good in private keys at the end
old nacelle
ok! thanks! I ll try it
waxen orbit
jagged pier
thats a copy pasta
woeful bramble
bro it reminds me these videos i see with "discord managers" or whatever they are called that when they see a female pic at discord they start simping and never stop
dark lark
tips helmet
waxen orbit
thats a copy pasta
Just thought I’d share with the class
Pun intended but functional
onyx vessel
Sharing copy pasta
echo egret
I was in top +16, the 3 dps died often and we ran out of time 18 minutes. At the...
This addon tells when someone got hit by avoidable damage.
I have been using it at times, but indeed it needs to be set to output at , only if you don’t want to look like an arse.
crude notch
also before installing the addon, i had no idea when i lost big chunks of HP if ...
Logs are a thing
craggy pilot
Not often people log a m+ key
cobalt seal
They should
Its 10x easier to find whatever you need to find in logs
Then to come into a discord and have people scramble for solutions that might not be true because they dont have the data
To give the best answer
crude notch
If you’re not logging a key do you really care about what “random” thing killed you.
Crom, howdy.
You’re everywhere.
cobalt seal
You’re everywhere.
Thx
chrome falcon
if i ever see an elitism helper pop-up i tell the guy using it that i'm leaving if it pops up again
that addon is insanely cringe and needs to be discouraged
sick sentinel
can you elaborate? kinda nice in a away to see healer stood in vile toxin explosion 74% hp healer took damage from cleave, 40%
but I do agree it's more cringe than not if it just displays in oarty
people never forget that shot when they die and instantly called out by add-on,
sorta like I did a top 6 for valor and had to say at least once, 3 times maybe, that it's a disease and you can't just " im healing through it" his words,
chrome falcon
calling people out in /party for every mistake should basically be bannable
lime urchin
Writing sounds like a dps loss to me
cobalt seal
can you elaborate? kinda nice in a away to see healer stood in vile toxin explo...
Its toxic and spammy as ruxk
It doesnt help
Just makes people play worst
If you want to use the addon
Make a window
chrome falcon
people literally should not be worrying about anyone elses' performance in keys
cobalt seal
For it
chrome falcon
that's what leads to people doing 7k dps
cobalt seal
And just shows for you
chrome falcon
and blaming others for themselves being bad
chrome falcon
mage stood in a swirly and died? ok, big deal
why do you need to post that in chat
the dude died, everyone saw it, including him
sick sentinel
calling people out in /party for every mistake should basically be bannable
I fundamentally don't necessarily agree with this if there is a timer on the line like say m+, every mistake sets you back in some way
sick sentinel
i stopped using the addon my self, but i can see its uses
chrome falcon
this game should not have an automated flame-bot addon
sick sentinel
honestly for me if and when i do use it, its to cut through the bullshit and easily see when me and entire party taking unnessecary damage, like you said its cringe so i set it to self report or off and report only at end of dungeon, after it's finished
i got hit for cleave AND tornadoes that i wasn't supposed to, now i know.
cobalt seal
i stopped using the addon my self, but i can see its uses
There is no use lol
It just triggers people
topaz field
well i mean it does trigger ppl
but if u have zero idea of the game
it may be a help
cobalt seal
Have it to yourself
There is 5 people in a m+
If you use to yourself
No need to fucking trigger 4 other people
topaz field
but i totally agree ppl should only worry about themselvers
but imagine u have zero idea of the game
which is like 70 % of the people
more like 80-90 %
topaz field
then its good to know that something did 100k dmg or w/e to u
cobalt seal
People still not gonna know what hit them
chrome falcon
people who use that addon would do better if they stopped worrying about every mechanic that hits anyone
and start worrying about doing more than 8k dps
cobalt seal
6k*
untold tusk
i just put all ppl with elitism helper spam on my ignore list...no reason to tell everyone if the user of the addon is failing or someone else
sick sentinel
my rule is you have to be denser than a pallet of steel for me to put you on block
sick sentinel
or like, you left after crying for like, 3-5 minutes about not pulling fast enough and then not putting boss with add while group ragin
cobalt seal
Only person that should the addon
Is the healer
And it shouldnt spam chat
Just the final report
To call dps out if they say shit
sick sentinel
i do the same when i have it installed
lofty widget
but what do you use that information for?
cobalt seal
or like, you left after crying for like, 3-5 minutes about not pulling fast enou...
What does that have to do with anything?
lofty widget
"oh i took 250k failure damage, guess ill try and t ake less next time?"
sick sentinel
doesn't say nothing till runs over
cobalt seal
but what do you use that information for?
So you choose who dies
And who gets to live
sick sentinel
What does that have to do with anything?
if someone pulls that shit on me and just starts problem for no reason instant block lol
other than that, i don't give a shit
sick sentinel
only people i block outside of that is people with dumb arrogant views
sick sentinel
"Dear Yogi; I just want to let you know that you got to be the stupidest idiot I've ever seen, trying to play as a protection warrior, you are the epitome of scum inside of a pond filled with goldfish with no fins so the fish all sink to the bottom, so I hope you uninstall the game and never tank again and get the fate you deserve, you are the worst thing to happen to World of Warcraft ever. I seriously hope you really do go all in so that the rest of us can watch a live failure of a human being. Good Luck." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlUHoUpb1xI
cobalt seal
Sounds like someone smart
strong forum
cobalt seal
jagged pier
chrome falcon
"Dear Yogi; I just want to let you know that you got to be the stupidest idiot I...
how did you get access to my message drafts
i never sent that one
sick sentinel
honestly, im gunna do my 2 remaing 15s for a 3rd 278, and then whenever s4 and 10.0 starts to come out i'll probably give this gig up re-roll something else
all memes aside, its fun, but im clearly no good at this, might be time to main something else or try raiding maybe
chrome falcon
i mean
you just don't listen when people tell you what you can improve on
it's pretty simple stuff you can change
and the stuff you're bad at, you're gonna be bad at on other classes
sick sentinel
maybe a dps melee or range is best option, focus on just only dealing damage and moving out of crap
toxic pewter
Once you go prot warrior there is no other class. Once you get the taste of that sweet charging action there’s no going back
Once you realize you always were meant to be a tank you cannot simply just go back to how things were
sick sentinel
rogue has a charge attack talent, does exactly same thing as warrior charge, i might go with that, blade rush
toxic pewter
Yeah hah. Have fun with that. We will see you back here in no time
Sneaking around like some mouse
We all know why we are here
We are prot warriors. Good, bad. It does not matter. No other class or spec can compare
cobalt seal
rogue has a charge attack talent, does exactly same thing as warrior charge, i m...
You still gonna fail
If you continue to ignore other people
Doesnt matter
toxic pewter
He isn’t a failure though he just got his red mount
cobalt seal
If you play tank healer melee dps or ranged dps
If you ignore people that try to help you and not improve
It doesnt matter
You could play bdk and prob quit for 3 seasons because you couldnt get ksm
toxic pewter
There’s no wrong way to play as long as you’re having fun
You have lost sight of why we even play
toxic pewter
Lol
cobalt seal
You have lost sight of why we even play
If he asks for help
Gets Said help
And ignores it
sick sentinel
well, this server seems to b more forgiving, but i went on some other wow discords and its like, well what abou.... NO, YOUR WRONG, NEVER, so bad. instantly
toxic pewter
Yes prot warriors are better people
sick sentinel
and even then its "ah its just a 15, hold W free loot" answers a bit here, i'm not upset by that really, but it tells me alot, but nothing at the same time, and i don't mean like in a "this guys being cheeky" way
toxic pewter
Lol
sick sentinel
i would get so bored in english classes reading the books, that i'd just skim through entire paragraphs and pages, fall asleep after 4 pages basically, same thing kinda here reading some 17 page icy viens lol
cobalt seal
i would get so bored in english classes reading the books, that i'd just skim th...
I'm sure you even ignore 5 lines of help here
So pls
You just dont want to improve
sick sentinel
i don't want to make excuses, or rely on addon, but for some reason i just think i don't look at screen just get on the wrong targets, use SS on wrong targets who are out of range, or don't move or turn to be able to smak em
toxic pewter
Dont you have video of dungeon you ran @sick sentinel
sick sentinel
i deleted the s1/s2 videos, but i put one up for a s3 dungeon
toxic pewter
nice
sick sentinel
i have a link to a privated video of streets 13 with a bit of zackrawrr chillin out audio for first half, don't want to just post it randomly, counts as self promo rule, it's in #449510248579858432 if you want to dig.
sick sentinel
right, and then afterwords i started to upload logs
i also asked permission before posting the video, i was legimately having WCL uploader password issues (i forgor)
jagged pier
unlike videos
videos can be very useful just saying
chrome falcon
i really don't think so compared to logs
cobalt seal
Videos are better than logs
chrome falcon
when you're doing like 6k dps
jagged pier
well you can legit see what ppl are pressing when in live time
we SFs have looked through loads and u see the issues just as fast as with logs
cobalt seal
Videos explains stuff that logs dont
sick sentinel
If i knew how to video edit and the information to put in like rage value, i'd speed up the videos to be 10 minutes or less, and put a rage meter from wcl graph overlay over that
cobalt seal
Where is the video?
sick sentinel
and then share that video with the log
i'm not going to pretend like its good, i do not, or no that i am aware of, have a log for this dungeon, if i dug for it maybe
chrome falcon
oh ok yeah i guess if you spend like half the time uh
backtanking
logs don't show that
didn't consider that
sick sentinel
that's one of the things bull said about me yeah
sick sentinel
buttons, probably,
chrome falcon
what buttons do you need to look at as prot
sick sentinel
CD numbers on buttons watching for it to proc
chrome falcon
just spam revenge until SS lights up
you need to be looking at your character
90% of the time
you don't need to pressing the exact correct button every time
as long as you're pressing something
and actually facing hte mobs
jagged pier
its not that simply yogi has come a long way he used to click at the start of the expansion, its difficult to get your eyes up from your bars after that
i know this
restive sage
https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/449510248579858432/9740084871284...
Good lord what is that ui
jagged pier
because i used to be one
cobalt seal
its not that simply yogi has come a long way he used to click at the start of th...
Move bars up
Prob solved
restive sage
Or use WAs
jagged pier
not really because your still looking at the bars
cobalt seal
But at least
jagged pier
the only way i managed to stop it was playing with out them at all
cobalt seal
You can see mobs behind them
jagged pier
👍
cobalt seal
Instead of moving your eyes up and down
craggy pilot
are ret palas rly bad in M+? 🤔
