well TL;DR we were on a small shitter server were flask cost 800g
#protection
jagged pier
i mean theres no need to flask for m+
sick sentinel
thats what i had to do
cobalt seal
i mean theres no need to flask for m+
Also this
sick sentinel
my BDK friend was one of those potion maker deal guys
dawn canyon
Flasking 15s 
sick sentinel
so if i somehow got my hands on the lotus or whatever i'd buy the other shit he needed and get him craft me 10 at at time
cobalt seal
Using stuff in 15's
cobalt seal
You dont need flasks
Not true but sure
dawn canyon
Imagine if a stam flask was better than an int one for Demo
Would be fucking hillarious
dawn canyon
it could be during burst with rally š¤
That's some CN logs type shit
You stam flask Rally and stam pot
dawn canyon
You're the math man, i trust
jagged pier
well isnt the stam pot a fixed amount where rally is %
so u want as much stam before rallying
dawn canyon
Biggest internal there ever was
dawn canyon
unfortunately rally dont stack
sweet summit
stam flask+ls+rally for fleshcraft pre-key 
jagged pier
blazing condor
strong forum
Actually tru tho
If you wanted to ultra min max, you'd swap flask multiple times a key
For hard hitting mechanics you'd stam flask
Then go back to Str
cinder pasture
I've been using this all this time. Even cheaper
sick sentinel
If you wanted to ultra min max, you'd swap flask multiple times a key
this is land of insano braino people
cobalt seal
Noone does that
dawn canyon
Im p sure at some point in your +30 career that's worth
cobalt seal
well TL;DR we were on a small shitter server were flask cost 800g
800g is half a day of mission table
Half of rewards from daily cov stuff
I dont know why people dont have gold in SL
cobalt seal
Its prob the best g/h outside of ah in a while
cobalt seal
who does cov stuff anymore
Depends on the quests
Quests that you can do while in m+
Are free gold
regal yacht
What % dps increase roughly am I providing for my dps in a m+ will I have conquers banner up? I know it vary based on how good mastery is for there class but just looking for a ball park number
A. Less than 1%
B. 1% - 5%
C. 5% - 10%
D. You should run kyrian in m+ and let them bring there own 400 mastery.
jagged pier
banner isnt for them
its a personal buff
and is far better for you than kyrian
more damage
more survivability
more rage
more everything
strong forum
necro is a good 30-40% dmg increase FOR YOURSELF
and a 30%+ defensive gain for yourself aswell
if anything, rebannering is the most useful cuz you get kevin back
for dps players its like 1-5% of a dps gain
strong forum
yes
wooden widget
Roger
median tulip
if anything, rebannering is the most useful cuz you get kevin back
I don't usually rebanner because of how i drop banner between pulls
strong forum
well yeah thats entirely situational
regal yacht
Ok I am sorry I left out the personal benefit I am aware of it though.
So your saying Necro is a more personal benefit than kyrian
cobalt seal
( if you press your buttons)
If you dont might as well kyrian
Because your banner uptime is gonna be low
strong forum
well yeah, Kyrian is 300x easier to play, but Necro if played well gives you alot more benefits
wooden widget
I just swapped from kyrian. Iāve heard the term Kevinās oozeling and I assume itās good. I hope itās passive šš
chrome falcon
read your soulbinds sir
cobalt seal
He cant
median tulip
Ok I am sorry I left out the personal benefit I am aware of it though.
So your...
Literally the only advantage Kyrian brings is a larger burst of Spike damage/threat on the pull
cobalt seal
He is blind
jagged pier
cro memeing to hard to day
wooden widget
Once Iām done reading prot tool tips I will read talents. Then soulbinds and conduits.
For now Iāve been surviving on revenge and shield block
wooden widget
Yeah way more buttons on war
cobalt seal
He is used to smash his head on keyboard
cobalt seal
cro memeing to hard to day
When Im not memeing?
jagged pier
š¤·
minor helm
1.3 cpm on dn
minor helm
Hope so
oblique garnet
cobalt seal
Dirty demon hunter thingies!
mild palm
Hey, how does Leech compare to Avoidance? Should I prio one over the other?
sick sentinel
15 mists, 2 shamans, paladin, me, no shield for anyone gatsu.mp3
toxic pewter
15 mists, 2 shamans, paladin, me, no shield for anyone gatsu.mp3
You should do some rated battlegrounds or arenas.. can buy a decent shield and upgrade it. can use this until you find better shield
just need to reach like 1600 rating to get decent shield
dreamy wedge
So how good is Necrolord? Iāve been procrastinating on leveling it up
onyx matrix
Terrible, go venthyr
sturdy sable
The lawyer you can trust
dreamy wedge
Well now I know who to call, so thanks for that.
Iām just so used to Spear and big aoe burst
dreamy wedge
Hmm alright. My main group doesnāt have one so I guess Iāll get off my ass on it. You just (even more) aggressively mash buttons to get really long banners right?
drifting fable
specifically dont overcap is the hard thing
sturdy sable
Use unnerving focus
drifting fable
throw it into IP a ton
dreamy wedge
I mean I already have plenty of times where I have to spam it to not max out on rage so I think I can do that lol
cinder nova
Why am I seeing people use Bonesmith over Marileth? š¤
sturdy sable
Youll be doing it more
It sims better iirc
But most ppl just run marge
Since the difference is small and you have more potencys with marge iirc
Its been a while since ive thought about soul binds so i may be mistaken
sturdy sable
Why am I seeing people use Bonesmith over Marileth? š¤
Also to quote nom 90% of the top warriors rn dont play warrior correctly
cinder nova
Also why the fuck do I see so many M warriors running The Wall
sturdy sable
Raid?
cinder nova
Yeah.
sturdy sable
A couple of bosses you do
cinder nova
Like?
chrome falcon
you don't run wall on ryg imo
sturdy sable
Really?
sturdy sable
Dude this is old info im going off
shut summit
Would only recommend wall on dread
chrome falcon
yeah
sturdy sable
See i knew it was one of the penultimates
cinder nova
š ...did you say only 9 Pwarrs killed Ryg before 925?
chrome falcon
well
it's at least 10
because jakey wouldn't be on there and i think he killed it?
cinder nova
That's still hilariously small.
chrome falcon
it was 20 on anduin when i killed it and 19 on lords
only 3 on jailer
sense guild tank comp giga chads
7 kills on their classes combined
cinder nova
Where do you get the "out of" menu?
chrome falcon
look at the actual log then rankings in the top right
cinder nova
I know tank parses are, by their nature, lower pop than healer/DPS but god damn.
Prot is completely barren lol
cinder storm
prisma crane
plus our biggest weakness is still w/ magic and bleeds and vers helps with that as well
median tulip
I get haste but y is vers so much better than mastery?
You get 400 Mastery from banner and 120 from Marileth, so much more than that is kinda excessive. However, I would not particularly go large on Versatility either, at least in keys; Critical Strike is very valuable for DPS
urban portal
Vers is good because itās the best stat vs magic damage
And itās also consistent and no rng
sick sentinel
you also get more damage scaling
cobalt seal
So does crit
mighty valley
don't overworry about other stats tbh
haste good others fine
mastery worst by a hair
strong forum
And is generally just an alright offensive and defensive stat
mighty valley
also the only flat magic damage reduction for if you're doing gazongas keys
cinder nova
Not really worth stacking even with that fact tbh.
Thwump's doing 26s and still chugging along with haste
strong forum
nobody said anything bout stackin
distant crystal
i wonder how much vers it would take for 1 key level of DR
like to make a 27 nuke hit like a 26
urban portal
how much vers were ppl at by the end of bfa
urban portal
so 30% dr?
potent anvil
CnS major vers 
cinder nova
Gotta go TD7
modern brook
Verse is multiplicative with key modifier right?
strong forum
technically yes
urban portal
yeah
strong forum
all %DRs are
urban portal
if key does 50% more damage and you take 50% less, itll be 1.5*0.5=0.75
sweet summit
??
sturdy sable
You don't want a free tiddy?
sweet summit
sick sentinel
nothing is free
wild hemlock
When Im not memeing?
driveway boy
cobalt seal
sage yacht
dawn canyon
toxic pewter
playing my prot pally- its amazing how many fewer buttons they have to press lmao
dreamy wedge
Does it? Usually any %age HP effects get ignored by healing increases, including Vers
strong forum
it is affected by it
sick sentinel
is dh and dk dps just dogshit?
strong forum
wdym
sick sentinel
warlock said that when we were getting blown up dragon nw
he called the other dps dogs
strong forum
thats just him being toxic
onyx matrix
@sick sentinel toxic pig 100
strong forum
havoc is alright but dk dps is actually really good
onyx matrix
Yea it is
onyx matrix
its always the player behind the screen. always.
sick sentinel
well I think it was a doomed run from the get go, dh shows up first then dk, grabbed lock some reason, better if I just waited on a luster mage maybe
druid healer joined and left, then a priest came along so took them
mighty valley
i don't think the problem was comp
sick sentinel
but that route and count are correct getting it consistent
wild hemlock
can someone link a screenshot of prot warrior dps during execute phase. dumbass guildies arguing
jagged pier
squeak
strong forum
well squeak is cheating
mighty valley
god damn it
sick sentinel
let's see condemn prot logs
wild hemlock
thanks nome
strong forum
let's see condemn prot logs
dont exist
sick sentinel
don't it give w huge absorb based on damage and tons of stuff that buffs it
jagged pier
let's see condemn prot logs
would be less as it hits for less
strong forum
condemn sucks
necrolord is infinite execute cuz infinite rage and hits ALOT harder cuz of banner
strong forum
š
sick sentinel
nope wrong answer dos higher
mighty valley
blizzard would've had to buff condemn so much for it to keep up
but they're cowards
and instead buffed execute
sick sentinel
that's what I did on rogue I got threat and boss aggro to me entire fight, we kill him
healers maldjng
sick sentinel
vanish and he wouldn't lose aggro on me so what can do lol
strong forum
thats literally it
urban portal
https://i.imgur.com/PKabizc.png
Thatās the prot warrior fantasy
shut summit
safe thistle
yah she does 35k melee swing if you dont mitigate, mixed with the magic dmg of bvarrier etc..
gloomy sapphire
Whats the max duration on shield block?
chrome falcon
18
gloomy sapphire
Thanks
wooden widget
Casting new shield block doesnāt overwrite?
pallid quiver
Casting a new shield block adds to the previous timer, up to the limit
wooden widget
Thatās very good to know ty
chrome falcon
same with reprisal
literally all you have to watch out for it
is charge (4s)+SB+SB(12s)+intervene
all within 2 seconds
because that would waste 2 seconds of SB
that's the only way you can overcap SB
lofty widget
or during uhr, but in those windows it hardly matters since everything refeshes super fast
wooden widget
I was super worried about overwrites with reprisal this is kinda great
Simplifies using intervene too
Can sneak it in right after the first revenge
mighty valley
yeah just use it on CD so long as you don't have a revenge proc
chrome falcon
Yep
Intervene is just a mini SB that procs revenge
I say ājustā as if thatās not extremely good
mighty valley
and 20 rage because why not
blazing condor
And free DR to the iq-freed dps youre playing with
sick sentinel
what did they change in halls again? damage from the curch goers aoe i think
oh, and ghosts i think too that you have to put in the jars same thing
mighty valley
just the 3rd boss ghosts
ocean yoke
think they hotfixed that one back
toxic pewter
LOL
wooden widget
pls
toxic pewter
forget macros.. just focus on what needs to be done
wooden widget
i can barely keep the uptime even in torghast š haha
toxic pewter
A lot of what I have learned is linked with reprisal- you must master shieldblock first. Then, in time, you will master the banner uptime.
You must be charging and intervening. It is very high importance.
pallid quiver
You can also practice on a training dummy
sick sentinel
my halls key gunna be lookin like me rogue druid hunter druid healer
ohh, i found haxxors, Ultimate Form renders you immune to CC while you channel it, so if you know you are about to eat tornado affix start to channel FC and good to go
wooden widget
Yeah I gotta get on a dummy for sure
chrome falcon
Literally like 30 mins of straight dummy slapping
wooden widget
There should be a skill reset button near the dummies
pallid quiver
oh
there is?
everytime i fuck up i just sit there in shame until CDs are back
wooden widget
Haha same. No there isnāt. I wish there was.
Like even on my mage for lust. Gotta wait 10 mins for another opener with lust
pallid quiver
Oh, it was there should as in that would make it better, rather than there's likely on there
Language suck we should just interact with guttural roars
sick sentinel
and the appeal for me at least would be that like there would be rooms with like 1 raid boss target and 1 with 2-3 elite adds that pop up from time to time, and like maybe one is like, you have to kill this add in time or you have to try again, something like the challenge arena gold silver bronze and the brawler guild
lets someone who is a raid or guild leader have someone properly look at players damage in different scenarios in a vaccum
sick sentinel
would be awesome to have proving grounds in an up to date way, maybe not as tough as the mage tower, i wasnt into that
timber nest
how do i fully mitigate rygelon hit?
cobalt seal
would be awesome to have proving grounds in an up to date way, maybe not as toug...
Why
What would be the point
MT is proving grounds but good
grave crane
how do i fully mitigate rygelon hit?
on heroic i just had SB up and IP typically did it. Demo shout and FC on CD
timber dagger
timber nest
@grave crane i always got the debuff, so i assume i didnt mitigate correctly
grave crane
Your gonna get the debut unless you have a full FC and IP and damage from the strike that isnāt mitigated turns j to the dot
ocean yoke
unless you fully shield the hit you will get a dot
timber nest
ahh so rygelon just sucks for us
sick sentinel
Reminder this week if you are necro doing keys: Ultimate Form when you start to channel your Flesh Craft, you will gain CC immunity while it channels, its also a DR and heal. Use this in a scenario that you know you will get hit with the tornadoes.
grave crane
ahh so rygelon just sucks for us
Think rygelon trucks everyone but since we mitigate physical the best I would imagine we can take the least amount from his dot if played correctly
chrome falcon
rygelon is absolutely murdering me on mythic
had our first proper night on it just now
but it's also trucking my bdk co-tank so
yeah it's just brutal for everyone
also the raid damage is so crazy at times that you don't get a ton of healer love
shut summit
Healers heal
grave crane
Definitely felt like there were times I was healing myself , right now weāre progging heroic jailer and he doesnāt seem to rough
grave crane
Easy clap bruh next up is the kill
polar laurel
I have a question and it may be pretty specific
How does shield stacking work?
Like specifically ignore pain and blood-spattered scale
grave crane
I would imagine you can go to a tanking dummy get a full IP and then press scale and see which one is drained first. I would imagine IP though
polar laurel
I suppose that's a way to do it, lol. Follow up question, If they're cast in the right order, do you think I'll still get the 55% damage reduction through the Scale's shield?
Also how does this apply with disc bubbles or other sources of absorptions
timber nest
@grave crane 7.7% wipes
ocean yoke
<@404506397653336064> 7.7% wipes
sounds like it is execute time brother
chrome falcon
I suppose that's a way to do it, lol. Follow up question, If they're cast in the...
IP isn't an absorb shield, though it's represented as one on your hp bar
it will simply reduce the next X damage by 55%
order of casting is irrelevant
so you'll take 55% reduced damage for the next like 15k or whatever dogshit value is on IP
and that will mean your scale goes down slower
polar laurel
awesome! Thanks for all the info Mattacate! Thats perfect
sick sentinel
no clue in which the bubbles are eaten is calculated but it's incredibly easy to understand, you get a bubble or bubble like effect (absorption technical nsme) and... it stays on you for the time it says and protects against that much damage unless the buff is used up or timer runs out
nothing too hard to over think there is imagine
chrome falcon
as for how multiple shields like PW:S and scale would interact
that might be order of casting
i'm not really sure
sick sentinel
you want those bubbles right before you are going to take a boat load of damage
for example in bfa jes howlis had an ability that if you were Los it's hit you for like I dunno, total one shot on dps, I had some machines bandages with a on use of mega absorb for 10 seconds, so I hit that when he's doing ability I can sit there and atrack
chrome falcon
i don't think you can say the way absorbs work is "incredibly easy to understand" immediately after saying you don't know how they work
especially considering IP looks like an absorb on your health bar but actually is not one
timber nest
were regressing š¦ the holes are getting us
chrome falcon
andrew my guild is 9/11M (not insane or anything but still) and we wiped like 4 times on our HC jailer kill last week
sometimes people's brains just turned WAY the fuck off
polar laurel
I'm also currently progressing on heroic jailer. We haven't beaten 35% yet
chrome falcon
we had a 2% pull before our first kill where literally 3 people ran into a hole at once while trying to soak the p3 beam
polar laurel
We're also getting MC'd in p1 still after 89 wipes...
chrome falcon
i have never seen a boss where people play worse than jailer
i don't know what it is but it turns normally decent players into absolute baboons
polar laurel
my group is comfortably heroic lol. We always get AOTC then kill the boss once or twice more then break until next season
chrome falcon
nothing wrong with that
grave crane
Man for some reason rygelon was the most wipes so far for us just cause people werenāt paying attention to the bombs
polar laurel
Yeah, we had some sub 30 second wipes. We ended up getting 152 before we downed him the first time
grave crane
People just get too focused on other shit or something. And mess up sorta simple shit
chrome falcon
this is our pull count for tonight
grave crane
Been there not on mythic but heroic lol if it aināt my fault I just fucking vibe and reset but it can be annoying like guys get in the hole
shut summit
DPS havin to do quasars on rygelon is anightmare, esp back when puddle on ground lasted 6secs instead of the 10-12 w/e it is now
sick sentinel
way I understand the absorb is it's similar to how armor points and hit pints work in doom, using 50% Dr as base value you pick up 100 armor at 100 hp you then take 100 points of damage but don't die because armor was reduced and instead only took 50 to go and 50 to armor, I don't keep track of what the % absorb is attached to ip or a dos scale
chrome falcon
yeah man we would not have had any pulls past 2 minutes pre-nerf tonight i'm pretty sure
grave crane
Itās like thereās not much I can do guys Iām already tanking him On the edge just kill quasars and donāt use the hole
sick sentinel
famous last words "there was nothing I could have done"
then I go watch my key video and actually it's not the rogue who pulled and I got angry at him.. whoops
grave crane
Nah if I Fuck up Iāll own it like yeah my bad boys charged right into a jailer hole and walked to my death
chrome falcon
that's why you need HC leap keybind on mouse wheel
so you can react to that and look like a massive beast
jump out of the hole
grave crane
I already look like a goober for intervening the MM hunter on CD
pallid quiver
don't worry, you'll go to jump out of the whole and get hit with the No Path Available classic
grave crane
the mint "no path available"
chrome falcon
Grats
knotty wasp
Gratssss
timber nest
mythic skolex doesnt have any changes from heroic right?
safe thistle
he hit like a truck on tank and you go have a enrage timer, Plus haffter burrow theres a big blue patch
timber nest
melees or the combo?
chrome falcon
The combo will 1 shot you without good CD management
Spell reflect every time and then make sure you have DS or SW or something
And full IPs
Call for externals etc
Also make sure your cotank has aggro at all times so you can reprisal
Donāt be scared to run out to charge
spare viper
how is prot this patch havent touched it at all looking to pick my warr back up
for keys*
hazy edge
very good, very hard
spare viper
hard in what sense
pallid quiver
Necrolord Warriors pretty solid, get used to pressing a lot of buttons, but is entirely capable
spare viper
like you collapse when magic dmg hits u?
pallid quiver
Prot War's based on maintaining the Conq Banner buff nigh-forever via Glory
spare viper
oh thats kind of cool
pallid quiver
If you ever let it drop off, it's a massive loss of damage and survivability
It, along with 4p tier and reprisal, allows you to generate absurd amounts of rage,
Which feeds into Anger Management and Banner upkeep, which means more uses of Avatar and longer banner, which is more rage... and so on
In order to keep this up, you should be aiming for like an average of 70 casts per minute
so you're pressing a few buttons at least, and if you press buttons at the wrong time and do something like waste an outburst proc, the entire chain crumbles due to banner falling off
Haste makes the gameplay a lot smoother, but Prot War benefits from its main performance being based pretty much entirely on skill; even if you're nigh dead on haste while gearing, you can still comfortably keep banner up
This makes Prot War all a lot harder than your other tanks, but makes for a fast-paced gameplay style that's a lot better than the general public thinks they are, as most people will fuck this up
now excuse me as i continue to get turned down for +2s
spare viper
lool
okay im sold
isnt that cursed though from going pack to pack
like in dos or w.e
pallid quiver
Just chain pull : )
others can give you more specific advice for dungeons, i'm only like a mid-tier type player at best
But generally, RP and long times without fighting can be rough
pallid quiver
Your overall goal at least is to try and make each banner use last close to 2 min or over 2 min, so if the buff needs to drop, you can put it back up by like, actually casting the ability again
there is a party benefit to pressing conq banner
we really don't care about that
ocean yoke
wew halondrus down 
waxen orbit
Can someone tell me why people still aim the first boss of NW's breath on the group like 1.5 year into the expansion?
Just curious
Like a deer in fucking headlights lmao
hazy edge
"If I have to get hurt, then so do you" š
chilly brook
isnt that cursed though from going pack to pack
Chain pull
Your group can deal with it
Had a healer complain I was going too fast
waxen orbit
"If I have to get hurt, then so do you" š
What a fucking brilliant way to brick an easily 2 chestable 27
Unfuckingbelievable
waxen orbit
They were Horde
onyx vessel
onyx vessel
Alliance
waxen orbit
Idk man lots of shitter DPS I've played with recently are Horde
onyx vessel
Theres alot of them
waxen orbit
Like if I could take a shot for every dogshit 3200-3400 Orc warlock from Illidan I've played with that barely squeaked past 17k overall in the past 3 days
I'd get alcohol poisoning
It's not really faction specific
waxen orbit
Bro that's b/c you're playing with a 2.1k io DPS
waxen orbit
Listen man you might be good, but that DPS player is probably stuck at 2.1k for a reason
onyx vessel
As fury war 4 set is crack
Shit man im dogshit
When you outdps a dps as a banner prot
waxen orbit
Not awful on my part
Not amazing
But not awful
Def could have upped that by 1.5k minimum if I pulled the entire second platform together with orb, but our kyrian's steward was on CD so had to go teenie
And separate pulls there
Btw that was a 23 we had of it. Decided to just 2 chest that and get a 25 of something else we need
Not the 26
If that wasn't abundantly clear
deep steppe
quick question, is Sack from streets good?
scenic mural
Very good
waxen orbit
I used both for awhile there
deep steppe
I'm gonna be using Sack and Countermeasure from Legion
scenic mural
You should really pump st
deep steppe
fingers crossed
vernal vale
Well got the shield off mythic guardian tonight.
Died on the kill and am playing fury so poorly. I'm missing tanking in raid.
Thankfully I have keys.
waxen orbit
Keys are the safe space
onyx matrix
Keys are the safe space
100%
proud patrol
Starting to play Prot, is the pin still up to date regarding Covenants? I see most high rated Prots play Necro but Iād like to play Kyrian as I worry about Aggro as Noob š¶
orchid garden
Your aggro on pull will be good as Kyrian within the first seconds.
Overall your threat and survivability will increase if you have mastered Necro.
The bonus in strength and mastery is very strong if you can maintain a good banner uptime.
dawn canyon
Necro is a 30% damage increase and more than that for survivability
proud patrol
Okay makes sense, so maybe just start playing with Necro from the beginning I guess
dawn canyon
Learn prot the right way
proud patrol
Yea u right
dawn canyon
it gets more intuitive along the way
proud patrol
Thanks š
strong forum
I mean it's fine to play kyrian if you want, but if you wanna play it right you do in fact play necro
orchid garden
Necro is a 30% damage increase and more than that for survivability
400 mastery and ~20% strength are 30% more damage, when Kyrian has a damaging ability?
We can all agree itās better, but 30% sounds like a very hot take for me.
dawn canyon
That's what nome usually drops number wise
strong forum
22% str + 400/520 mastery +4rage per sec
Your rage gen increases massively with banner
And that 30% is meant not over other covenants
In aoe necro is pretty much equal to kyrian
But you're much much tankier and have 2k+ St dps dmg more
orchid garden
Spear also gives rage.
Defensively I think 30% is legit, but in the offensive I canāt imagine those values. Didnāt the spear + Kyrian procs deal like 20% of the total dmg or something?
dawn canyon
ST necro AJ absolutely above any next level
Lemme rephrase
Wtf am i saying
Necro St big good
orchid garden
And that 30% is meant not *over* other covenants
Ah. Okay. Thatās were the misunderstanding came from.
strong forum
Spear gives 48ish rage every 40sec, banner grants 160 rage over 40sec
Some things just aren't made equal
jagged pier
~~ST necro AJ absolutely above any next level~~
Tbh with execute buff i would run ashen in keys now tbh as well
I mean i did anyway because im lazy
But i think its better than SoF now
strong forum
I wanna thank everybody in this channel for all the help, I've finally reached 3k, you're awesome!
strong forum
I'm huge
strong forum
:susge:
jagged pier
I wanna thank everybody in this channel for all the help, I've finally reached 3...
I think u jave a higher score than me KeK
strong forum
get lapped idiot
jagged pier
š¤
ionic fern
cobalt seal
Those 2 HC were boost
sick sentinel
supposedly guild managament wants to boost me through last 74 points of KSM tonight as why bust my key for pugs
only a 16, so i can't imagine its that hard, halls or not, but if i can get a free win, sure, why not
sick sentinel
unless the key went horribly wrong i usually try to be nice and courteous to players in my keys
i try to come up with a route that has notes and relics, give it to them, explain what we have to do before key starts and give them a pull timer, then at end i'll almost always say GG and offer loot i didn't need, tell them TY for coming, even if we didn't time it, (and that's okay with me)
dawn canyon
Social contact enjoyers
cobalt seal
You assassinated half the raid and did less dmg than me smh
Thats not hard
dawn canyon
Explaining probably isnt needed for most keys nowadays
cobalt seal
Its not like vdh heals mobs on st
sick sentinel
i've usually been like this, less in BFA, i was more toxic then
sick sentinel
but at some point a switch flipped around SL and everytime i finished a dungeon was GG when final boss died, TY for coming, do you need this ring?
dawn canyon
Boost would be them getting another tank and just 4 manning
dawn canyon
Id call it friendly help :p
cobalt seal
You can do a 16 without a healer
sick sentinel
i could just do the key my self, and not get boosted, but like i say why NOT take the free win?
cobalt seal
For sure you can do it with a cripple tank
sick sentinel
i pugged every single other key, my own key to this point even is my key tonigt i think
no voice comms none of that, never paid a single gold to anyone for a run
sick sentinel
i mean i could pug it just as easily too, im not sure a 16 will give 75 points
sick sentinel
https://raider.io/characters/us/area-52/Tankian this one is me
i don't think im overthinking anything, im just excited because then i'll finally have done it tonight or this week
cobalt seal
After 1 entire expansion of quitting before it?
cobalt seal
He prob gonna quit after ksm
dawn canyon
EASY ksm then
sick sentinel
yep š thats the plan
dawn canyon
Why would he need a shield
dawn canyon
yep š thats the plan
dont forget to afk on ksm mount rest of the sub
sick sentinel
soon as i get KSM make a shitty mog around it or somethin, then do my victory laps in oribos and quit
safe thistle
just get a hall and plaguefall done
cobalt seal
At this point ksm mount is like the mounts you get for free
sick sentinel
the actual only reason i return to wow, so focused on it i left the maw weekly quest i had not finished in my active quests for a month after resub
cobalt seal
safe thistle
you did everything in reverse, you have a lot of high ilvl stuff but still a shitty shield you could had replaced with one you can buy off zereth mortis
cobalt seal
Its not like it matters
safe thistle
it make it harder for no reason š
cobalt seal
it make it harder for no reason š
Sure
sick sentinel
i got to revered and then stopped doing so much ZM content, i'll do enough to finish cyphers but thats a slow grind and i have the unity thing now
cobalt seal
Shield would have made everything easier
sick sentinel
theres a green sword i want, thats about it from ZM
cobalt seal
Thats some Next lvl copium
sick sentinel
(id still be complaining i died even if i did have 278 shield btw)
sick sentinel
damn and here i though it would stop that.
safe thistle
no its best to follow the bandwagon
oh well he could team with a shaman and his elemental gonna do the tanking š
sick sentinel
hey stop revealing my secrets
safe thistle
holy trinity playing with boomy tree, shaman elemental and mage kiting
sick sentinel
also ultimate form hacks against tornadoes (NL); you gain cc immune during channel FC, can't be yeeted
safe thistle
i prefer to just step in it
i dont even pay attention to storming its like a very stupid affix, you can just slowly kite or take them all for the dps
umbral island
also ultimate form hacks against tornadoes (NL); you gain cc immune during chann...
This also lets you get a full 20 stack against 2nd boss streets, big tech
umbral island
The correct one
safe thistle
i dont check journal
sick sentinel
i dont even pay attention to storming its like a very stupid affix, you can jus...
you just look at the screen and if there is a tornado near by you move mobs out if you can
safe thistle
i think oasis is the correect second boss
sick sentinel
it moves slow enough and predictably enough that any player shouldn't having that much trouble with them
safe thistle
its funny how tazavesh was so nerfed they became such easy key now
its always clockwise now
sick sentinel
im going to miss shadowlands once its gone, there was a lot of crap, but there was a ton of good ideas in there too
maldraxxus especially was just my favorite overall
safe thistle
well wont bve long next season all dungeon change theres none from shadowland i think
wil be fun i wasnt there for WoD
sick sentinel
before this i re-started in BFA launch, started as prot warrior never look back
quit after panda.2 patch
cobalt seal
maldraxxus especially was just my favorite overall
sick sentinel
i liked the liches and abombinations and goo creatures and undead necropolis bases everywhere, i thought that was one of the most well done zones, the story in bastion is good but boring place
sick sentinel
maldraxxus too much ooga booga for you?
sick sentinel
yes, i fee like all stories besides bastion were very lacking
sick sentinel
maldraxxus could have had the primus story, venthyr could have had a bunch of bad ass stuf about the dreadlords, NF whatever the creatures attacking were i guess
sick sentinel
i can't stand that zone, but i'll go there willingly
looks like im gettin cyhper shield
robust rover
Anyone else just drool when they look up a Sense log?
Just found a random 28 Mists and compared some EHRPS to a BDK and Monk... Crazy low healing needed
wild hemlock
had a 42k crit shiled block last night haha
hilarious seeing a 42k pop up during a big trash pack
cobalt seal
wild hemlock
dont flame him yet he hasnt been a driveway in a few days š
wild hemlock
Anyone else just drool when they look up a Sense log?
share
cobalt seal
dont flame him yet he hasnt been a driveway in a few days š
Who are you to tell kohl anything
brittle owl
can't believe i agree with the eu br
blazing condor
br
wooden widget
Jfc
13k on wclogs
Thatās like 15k+ on details?
Pumpernickel
Why did he press hamstring thatās a dps loss šš
sick sentinel
i can't say the variance of dps on wcl vs details, like i can't say the difference in % absorb in a scale trinket vs ip vs priest absorb bubble >.> but pretty much what you said yes
i just know if you have the bubble, your less likely to die, so ideally you want one before (nuke) hits
chrome falcon
what do you mean yogi
% absorb of scale trinket or priest bubble
those don't absorb %s
blazing condor
Why did he press hamstring thatās a dps loss šš
Maybe got it macrod to charge some people do that
chrome falcon
Why did he press hamstring thatās a dps loss šš
he did it on the soulcleaver which is a mob that you want to kite
... or it was an accident
but slowing the soulcleaver is valuable if you have no-one else in the group to do it
wooden widget
he did it on the soulcleaver which is a mob that you want to kite
Ah makes sense. Haha I was mostly kidding I am no place to critique anything about that log
chrome falcon
it's a reasonable question
sometimes people post logs and they have like 30+ hamstring casts
because it's accidentally macro'd into charge from pvp
lofty widget
probably an accident, tc slow should be fine to kite those
sick sentinel
since the last time i reset my details which includes a m+ and some dailies i've casted hamstring once
cobalt seal
sick sentinel
yeah, only did it because the guy was getting chased by the duo in NW after you clear first trash
we had 3 melee in group
cobalt seal
What
sick sentinel
i've seen those guys deleted way too many dps because they don't know to run away to not intervene and remind them and then attack/folllow the mob chasin em
cobalt seal
What guys
lofty widget
you cant slow those
chrome falcon
^
lofty widget
after you clear the room
chrome falcon
it's just WAY after the first trash
like, the literal last trash pack of the dungeon
but technically, still after first trash
sick sentinel
im talking about first wave of trash that spawns in, but first trash if you kill it all one pull
cobalt seal
chrome falcon
i can't say the variance of dps on wcl vs details, like i can't say the differen...
i have to clarify something here
you know that IP is the only "absorb" that works as a % DR, right
sick sentinel
it only reduces it, and you can still die with it up, yes
like the doom analogy i used, simply, 100 hp, 100 armor, hit with rocket for 100 hp, you lose 50 hp 50 armor
chrome falcon
ok so why did you mention scale and priest absorb bubbles which are totally different
but ok as long as you don't think other absorbs work like that
lofty widget
i think he meant he didnt know the % difference between their respective absorbs?
like the numerical difference
sick sentinel
because, i only really understand how prot warrior works, and loosely at that i guess
chrome falcon
i take nothing for granted
sick sentinel
it's a net positive is what im trying to say and its just simply a matter of timing it, no scenario you wouldn't want to, less it falls off/eaten instantly
chrome falcon
(don't actually do that as a habit, TC and stuns should be good enough)
robust rover
š
chrome falcon
oh fuck
they're releasing talent tree previews
druid and dk done so far please god
if they show the prot warrior tree i don't know what i'm going to do with myself
show it cowards
vernal vale
if they show the prot warrior tree i don't know what i'm going to do with myself
My one and only hope
Okay, that's a lie.
Devestator baseline would be good too.
sick sentinel
my old server was so bad that my and friends got rank 1 m+ that realm basically by just existing and doing up to 10's, later 15's, i had #1 warrior tank on that server #2 tank overall is buddy
chrome falcon
looks like just druid and dk today
oh well
maybe we get warrior in like 3 months
vernal vale
Probably
sick sentinel
how about storm bolt baseline and talented it silences if it connects with interuppetable spell, long range pummel longer CD
chilly brook
well
they're showing some of the talent trees
here's to hoping they show warrior and AM is just baseline
sick sentinel
if they took the entire bottom row talents and made that baseline, add reprisal talent, we good
strong forum
The new "baseline" will the the talent tree
chilly brook
The new "baseline" will the the talent tree
some of them you just get for gaining levels
according to the post
sick sentinel
like i feel its wrong that it's not a baseline part of prot pally holy shield
how the entire spec works basically, most iconic combat active ability they have and rely on.
safe thistle
so far dk aint that bad nerf on some stuff but new one too
anyway its still far from release
median tulip
they're releasing talent tree previews
Where?
safe thistle
wowhead
safe thistle
druid seems to lose a lot of utility
wild hemlock
here's to hoping they show warrior and AM is just baseline
0 percent chance after seeing dks
chrome falcon
blizzard is adding more shitty stupid fucking raid/party buffs
wild hemlock
im overwhelmed holy shit
strong forum
DW feedback is being provided
median tulip
I don't play either of these classes, so I lack the basis to really judge how they are
grave crane
if they took the entire bottom row talents and made that baseline, add reprisal ...
Thereās several leggo effevts in the Druid trees so prot will probably have wall and reprisal if I had to guess
strong forum
Dk is getting shafted quite hard, druid looks really good tho
grave crane
Druid looks great for my pvp alt
chrome falcon
druid is getting some effects back that i really like
grave crane
Havenāt looked at DK yet but if theyāre listening to feedback Druid is doing good
wild hemlock
chrome falcon
more buffs = mega cringe
lofty widget
yo wtf
strong forum
Yeah more raidbuffs are making a comeback
chrome falcon
yeah and then they got rid of a bunch of raid buffs because they suck a fat one
and now they're adding them back in
so
zzz
grave crane
Thatās fair I donāt really mind that but I can see why it would be annoying
strong forum
It's part of class fantasy, but the game has gone directions where math just beats every sense of fantasy
And that mark of the wild seems pretty fucking huge for raiding
So you'll 100% want a druid in
Which is another mandatory slot requirement to fill
shut summit
ez š
mighty valley
it's one (boring) way you can make sure at least one of every class is "meta"
brittle owl
needing every class cringe >> stacking one class cringe
uunat says hello
u fkin degenerates
mighty valley
but yeah none of the stuff people are asking to be "baseline" will actually be in the base abilities, but will probably be in very easy to reach places in the tree to where they might as well be
ocean yoke
speed š
brittle owl
speed bis stat
shut summit
uunat says hello
was only like that for world 1st shenanigans, wasn't needed at all
strong forum
Classic
chrome falcon
99% of the time only WF guilds get punished for not class stacking
but everyone gets punished for not having 1 of everything you need
mighty valley
10 warriors 10 rogues let's go
brittle owl
Classic <:keks:936231610850897992>
chrome falcon
god
our druid is gonna miss a raid
and someone is gonna stand in some shit because they greeded to cast
brittle owl
idk man can't think of anything relevant now but i like class buffs so my opinion is still better than yours
chrome falcon
and i'm unironically going to hear "sorry matt, but i would have lived if we had speed buff i was so close"
yeah well i have to make raid comps so i fuckin hate that shit
shut summit
i dont ultra hate it but its super annoying for sure
chrome falcon
i actually don't hate it for m+
strong forum
idk man can't think of anything relevant now but i like class buffs so my opinio...
I like class buffs but at the same time I hate not having some, aka missing out on some
chrome falcon
like maybe there's some class that's giga scaled with crit
so they really like having a boomie
that's cool
but for raids it's just another checklist
strong forum
Idk it's a weird spot
Feels shit when there are buffs out there but you can't have them or feel forced to get them
brittle owl
raids are a big giant checklist if your inclined to be reductionist
mighty valley
life is a big giant checklist. boom reduced
chrome falcon
yeah sure so stop adding more checklists
median tulip
but yeah none of the stuff people are asking to be "baseline" will actually be i...
The people asking for things to be baselined have not read any of the stuff they've been saying for months about the new design philosophy. Instead of baselining "must have" abilities, they have provided a plethora of talent points so it's easier to get the things you consider must have while still having freedom to choose other things. You can disagree with their approach all you want, but the fact is that's the philosophy they are using to design things
chrome falcon
it's also just a cheap way to make your game look more balanced
oh DH is dogshit? doesn't matter, still gotta bring one
strong forum
It all depends on how much value it actually adds right, for example I seriously doubt that @jagged piers guild really needs him on monk
Cuz it's literally the least useful raid buff
chrome falcon
yeah monk buff sucks
brittle owl
monks suck
chrome falcon
because all the melee dps do like 80% magic damage now anyway
strong forum
But RL says no cuz pepega
strong forum
Which is just so dumb
median tulip
and bm/mm hunter
feral
jagged pier
It all depends on how much value it actually adds right, for example I seriously...
Well we have like 2 rogues warrior 2 dhs, and hunter so it is a fair bit of phyiscal damage
grave crane
Ok I checked DK tree it doesnāt look bad. Blood seems theyāre making tier set talents and itās got some decent stuff
strong forum
Dh and rogue is like 80% magical dmg tho
chrome falcon
^
grave crane
Sub is mostly shadow dam unless itās like outlaw?
chrome falcon
depending on their spec those rogues are like only doing physical damage with autos and backstab
jagged pier
Im aware, its an arguement im not going to win tho
chrome falcon
well this is true
strong forum
And I'm 
grave crane
So they made you switch to Brew for no real gain?
brittle owl
well what i am seeing really
chrome falcon
just explain that after the execute buff you do more dps as prot than you gain from shitty mystic touch anyway
plus the rally
that's cringe though yeesh
brittle owl
isn't you guys cringing at class buffs
grave crane
3 rally > 2 rally
brittle owl
but cringing at overthinking raidcomps
brittle owl
ĀÆ\_(ć)_/ĀÆ
chrome falcon
i'd probably make someone reroll monk if i didn't already have a WW
or recruit one
grave crane
I guess yeah but like I would imagine the gain from mystic is not gonna make or break the kill?
chrome falcon
like 500-ish? but that's irrelevant to how hard the boss is and how much you should/need to optimise
what does rank have to do with it
strong forum
Usually Player skill
chrome falcon
probably not but we're also talking about the weakest raid buff
cobalt seal
10
brittle owl
in this particular example maybe it doesnt
grave crane
Unless the raid is stacking like warriors?
chrome falcon
almost every guild that has killed jailer past #50 has been basically gear capped
barring a few trinkets
shut summit
this tier is pretty diff in the gear regard
strong forum
From my pov it's outrageous to bring brm over prot just cuz of the buff
When pwar is literally the strongest spec on jailer
chrome falcon
well especially considering rally is fucking GIGA on jailer too nomer
strong forum
For the important phase
chrome falcon
it's pretty insane
shut summit
bring 2 prots so both dont hafta worry about threat
jagged pier
i'd probably make someone reroll monk if i didn't already have a WW
Well thats the thing, they had to bench our WW for reasons and they didnt want to recurit someone just so i can play warrior. Ive argued my point and i cba doing the actual maths. But it is what it is, im not going to win
shut summit
grave crane
But dratnos says prot war are bad?
grave crane
Turn 22k to like 24k?
jagged pier
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chrome falcon
honestly i need a second prot warrior so i don't rip threat in execute
jagged pier
Tried explained that
grave crane
23100 but yeah I rip threat from VDH sometimes
brittle owl
vdh does negative threat doe
safe thistle
i cant even go all out on pull that we lust unless i say ill start with boss
strong forum
"sometimes"
safe thistle
first shield slam he go for me
strong forum
Literally no tank can hold threat again pwar for long in execute
grave crane
Both hunters MD me and I go hard
brittle owl
there's nothing worse than having cotank play a tank that doesnt do damage
strong forum
And vdh is by far the worst for threat in raid
safe thistle
well vigilante is fun for that no tanking sub 15%
vdh got even worse ST dmg than us no ?
safe thistle
but i mean overall
chrome falcon
every dps spec has worse dps than us in execute
grave crane
I have no idea honestly and what about arms in execute?
chrome falcon
arms just got its execute buffed
brittle owl
did u try peeing on the RL
chrome falcon
by the exact same amount as us
brittle owl
to assert dominance
chrome falcon
and we were already ahead of them
grave crane
Damn arms on life support
robust rover
Are we going AJ in M+ now even on Fort weeks?
safe thistle
not a race to world first guild shouldnt had to min-max like that ppl are overgeared for the content at this point ioff the xpac. the hardest part is getting 20 ppl together for the raid that doesnt suck
jagged pier
Well getting class buffs isnt min maxing thats expected
But its dumb that they are in the game
safe thistle
yah but normally theres ppl willing for it, not foreced if you dont want
chrome falcon
i mean personally i don't think it would be an issue if they actually were optimising but at a guess i don't actually think they're increasing their chances of a kill all by forcing a reroll on the last boss
safe thistle
sad for you
jagged pier
Like mythic is actually balanced sometimes around have a number of certain specs for example blood furnace
jagged pier
i mean personally i don't think it would be an issue if they actually *were* opt...
I mean its not really a reroll my monk is as geared as my warrior
safe thistle
kyrian is very good for mc too with spear