Just ask for PI
#protection
potent anvil
ionic fern
ARCANO CRYSTLA
potent anvil
potent anvil
I still have 252 opc 
fickle ingot
@strong forum gets out dps’d by veng dhs
strong forum
Lag
fickle ingot
I would doublehehe you, but my nitro ran out
strong forum
For uuuhm... Safety reasons(?)
sweet summit
vel is a tyrant that does not like fun
fickle ingot
😔
dreamy wedge
So do we always gem haste even when one has a ton of it already?
dreamy wedge
Can't die to what's dead right?
ionic fern
++
waxen orbit
26 PF timed with 14k overall
Semi-decent
Could have done more but uh
Yeah 26 hurts
mighty valley
So do we always gem haste even when one has a ton of it already?
how much is "a ton"
blazing condor
1000kg
onyx matrix
Garbage garbage garbage from the vault
Keep saying that and you will be rewarded with something good
jagged pier
havent had anything good from vault i months
lofty widget
prot until you get 278 shield, fury unti you get 278 weapon (if you dont wanna loot spec prot anymore) then arms
toxic pewter
Prob better to open as arms over fury to rule out getting one handers
mighty valley
you gotta get a bunch of genders
toxic pewter
;P
median tulip
Still no fucking Shield 😡
sweet summit
serves you right for what you said yesterday
sweet summit
median tulip
Freehold was a fucking atrocious dungeon and I have no regrets for saying that
median tulip
AD was ok. I enjoyed Workshop and Motherlode as well
toxic pewter
I liked most of the bfa dungeons
median tulip
Freehold and Underrot were the worst. The former was buggy as fuck with mob LOS and pathing, while Underrot was just the PF of BfA
blazing condor
UR was fine but messy
2nd boss a bitch
also didn't really like the BL timings where you paced through the 2nd boss and did 3rd to go back to 2nd with BL
but i was a noob in bfa so maybe that wasn't even the strat
median tulip
I'm just so bored of the "here's this expansions mandatory dungeon/zone full of DoTs, plague and poisons" approach
I suppose there will be one in DF as well, and I will hate that too
strong forum
also didn't really like the BL timings where you paced through the 2nd boss and ...
Yeah
blazing condor
last boss was kinda cool tho but also a bit weird
was easy when people knew how to position themselves
median tulip
The problem with the last boss was when you got a Pugger who didn't understand the light mechanic it could all go to shit really fast
grave crane
I liked the ghost house dungeon and the pirate jail dungeon
median tulip
I liked the ghost house dungeon and the pirate jail dungeon
Waycrest Manor was alright, but loads of people didn't get it because of the multiple paths/doors thing. Tol Dagor was just... it was a dungeon.
Also so many people fucked up the cannons in TD
median tulip
TD wasn't really memorable either way, IMO
blazing condor
only cool part of the dungeon was the first part before you actually enter tol dagor
big pulls n shit
median tulip
only cool part of the dungeon was the first part before you actually enter tol d...
You mean the bit everyone skipped as much of as possible?
blazing condor
a lot of people would do big pulls there to skip later
grave crane
i never really went super hard in BFA so it was more just vibing and the ascetic of the dungeons
onyx matrix
not the best but better than my ilvl 265 wep
median tulip
ilvl > else
onyx matrix
ye
onyx matrix
cant complain then I guess
potent anvil
Did a pug key and healer asks me what my vers was. 
I'm casually just tanking 22s with 4% vers and 33% crit 
onyx matrix
works like a charm ye? xD!
jagged pier
almost like thats what me and nome have been telling ppl all expansion
potent anvil
DPS-oriented playstyle for healers is the bane of my tanking existence. Can't pull big because my life will just sit at 30% health all the time 
potent anvil
Still managed to do 12.8k overall in a halls 22
quaint glade
I got so good itemisation and etc but I’m still not getting invites for 21+
I’m 34-5% haste 24 vers
onyx matrix
metas, metas everywhere
quaint glade
Dream of prot
quaint glade
metas, metas everywhere
I need to push my own keys but I’m so bad at making groups lmao
ionic fern
I gotchu.
jagged pier
KEKW
quaint glade
I like vers idk
onyx matrix
I need to push my own keys but I’m so bad at making groups lmao
its all rng in the end what kind of ppl you do get
onyx matrix
not bad
quaint glade
269, 24% haste, 27% crit, 2% vers.
And I won’t be surprised if you done 22+s
quaint glade
I haven't had aggro issues..
This tbh
median tulip
You need to get better DPS players
onyx matrix
me neither just checking if its easier to just thunderclap once and run
median tulip
If you don't have aggro issues your DPS aren't trying hard enough
ionic fern
You need to get better DPS players
OR..hear me out..you play the class correctly.
topaz field
every tank has aggro issues
quaint glade
With streets trinket and scale I don’t even need a healer which is chef kiss
quaint glade
every tank has aggro issues
For that reason get a hunter
onyx matrix
every tank has aggro issues
doubt
median tulip
TBF, I only have aggro issues when Fire Mages combust on pull
topaz field
it doesnt matter if u have a hunter
i can guarantee you if u have a good ww for example
and dont play a 15 key
quaint glade
I for some reasons don’t lose agro on 20+s
topaz field
he will eventually get aggro once his sef is gone and he procs once
same for fury war if he procs on pull
quaint glade
Maybe ask your group to not touch the adds till you gather the mobs?
vocal geode
fury war procs what?
topaz field
ye obviously
quaint glade
I had agro issues when I was learning prot like beginning of season
vocal geode
reason they rip aggro is because spear + bladestorm does way too much frontloaded dam
quaint glade
But now I don’t care I pull 3-4 packs and chilling
topaz field
but there is a reason mdi player or high key player flame about aggro
they are not trolling
vocal geode
a good ww gets some mark of crane before spinning like crazy
so there is some ramp compared to fury
quaint glade
20 is not that high so can’t say anything
median tulip
i can guarantee you if u have a good ww for example
I don't find most melee pumpers anything like as much of a problem, because they don't pull the mobs away from me, so even if I lose one it comes right back easy enough. But ranged... oh boy, they take aggro and then they run away from me
quaint glade
I’m talking about 20s
topaz field
I don't find most melee pumpers anything like as much of a problem, because they...
i agree that u can outplay it often times
jagged pier
With streets trinket and scale I don’t even need a healer which is chef kiss
u should read the pin the streets trinket does nothing, 20s literally just dont hurt anyway
quaint glade
u should read the pin the streets trinket does nothing, 20s literally just dont ...
But but Jakey top prots in Rio are using it 👉👈
topaz field
because they are bad
lofty widget
top prots are also not playing UF
topaz field
at the game
quaint glade
And yeah I haven’t gotten sack yet
lofty widget
so take whatever they do with a grain of salt
jagged pier
But but Jakey top prots in Rio are using it 👉👈
yes and we have looked at their logs
and they are bad
like literally playing the class wrong
median tulip
I'm just using So'leah/Phial these days
quaint glade
because they are bad
Well I’m 3k pepega I just look what they wear
quaint glade
yes and we have looked at their logs
Ugh I need to start logging myself
jagged pier
thats also another point your 3k u arent doing the content they are
so its pointless to look at what they are doing
quaint glade
None of my runs are not even logged
jagged pier
even tho expect tattman they are playing horrendously
and we disagree on tattman using codex btw
quaint glade
I was looking at % and thinking I’m doing good lmao
Till you guys told me to switch to dps
topaz field
i mean codex is not good but it becomes better the higher u go
still a garbage trinket
quaint glade
thats also another point your 3k u arent doing the content they are
Makes sense
median tulip
It's just not for us
quaint glade
strong forum
He's using codex and it's only like 2.5% of his dmg
When it needs to be more than 7% to be worth
topaz field
a good ww gets some mark of crane before spinning like crazy
the reason ww does not get aggro during his burst is simply his sef clones who share 1/3 of the dmg with him
once they are gone and they proc their aggro generation is one of the worst
ionic fern
lime urchin
Is tattman in this community btw?
strange lintel
There is someone named that
jagged pier
well hes not perma reading pins
mystic warren
genuine question about codex. I've heard rygelon is quite a tank slapper on mythic. Does he do enough damage to warrant running codex over 278phial+sigil?
lofty widget
yeh mythic rygelon and maybe jailer mythic is the exception
strong forum
Codex should do like 800-900 dps on ryg for us
jagged pier
genuine question about codex. I've heard rygelon is quite a tank slapper on myth...
ppl arent using it there anymore
strong forum
Ye none of the public logs have used codex
So prolly not worth even there
Aka, never worth
If shit isn't worth using on rygelon it's not worth using it in keys
!
strong forum
Cuz rygelon is 15-20k dtps
cobalt seal
If shit isn't worth using on rygelon it's not worth using it in keys
But top rio uses them
cobalt seal
(joking)
mystic warren
Another question. I'm seeing a lot of pwar running marileth on ST fights, yet bonesmith is simming a fair bit higher for me. Is there something going on with the APL or do I trust the sims?
strong forum
Another question. I'm seeing a lot of pwar running marileth on ST fights, yet bo...
Marge has better conduit spread
cobalt seal
Don't take cro seriously
Toxic
strong forum
Heirmir Sims minimally better cuz it's 3% crit and 3% execute dmg extra, but you lose conduits
safe thistle
wait embalmer oil ? did i skipped something i though it was gigabad
safe thistle
ok linked weapon had it higher up on post
jagged pier
yer dont do that
safe thistle
am i the only person that jsut realized theres a replay option on warcraftlog ! 😛 its so damn nice too
haha still learning noob me
left anvil
Are you supposed to just waste rage into maxxed out ignore pains to keep banner going.. i cant keep it going with just revenge?
lofty widget
yes, wasting IP>>>>>>>>wasting rage
strong forum
revenge costs 20 rage
10 rage extends banner by 0.5
unless 100% of your globals are revenge, you wont be able to maintain banner without spamming IP
left anvil
yeah.. i can only maintain banner for around a minute atm.. so lots of work to do
strong forum
when youre playing well you can keep it up pretty much infinitely aslong as you have something to hit
uncut notch
Anyone else look at Sense' logs and just cry
uncut notch
Its the rage mgmt man
I dont get it
hes getting like 400 IP's and 400+ revenges per dungeon
H o w
jagged pier
mans a god
lofty widget
not wasting rage also generates more rage
jagged pier
just look up your char name u might find some
we SF have found some of u that way
😉
wild hemlock
lmaooo theres nothing fun here https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/thrall/bigooga
jagged pier
u got some
jagged girder
Got crit+mastery 278 weapon from chest, I've got a haste+vers 272 weapon actually. Would you replace it?
lofty widget
here's one
lofty widget
Got crit+mastery 278 weapon from chest, I've got a haste+vers 272 weapon actuall...
ye, weapon dps+strength beats any combo of secondaries
valid violet
Guys what do you think about "Bladedancer's Armor Kit" trinket for M+ ?
I think it's bad
https://www.wowhead.com/item=178862/bladedancers-armor-kit?bonus=6805:1472
Way too long of a cd to be effective.
wild hemlock
u got some
ill get some freshies for you this weekend
muchhhhhhhhhh better p warrior now
and i can finally fucking try necro in keys lets goooooo
i was also gonna try seismic this weekend for doing weeklys with guild
cobalt seal
Guys what do you think about "Bladedancer's Armor Kit" trinket for M+ ?
Its better than codex
As long you dont use its active
valid violet
onyx matrix
hey folks, just started doing my rep farm for the enlightened from honored to revered, how did you guys do it the fastest way?
onyx matrix
ah okay, and how much rep does the raid gives you?
can you even do it on lfr?
rep wise
lofty widget
dailies dont give rep
cobalt seal
Dailies are just casual stuff
onyx matrix
meh screw those then
median tulip
Guys what do you think about "Bladedancer's Armor Kit" trinket for M+ ?
It's beyond bad
old nacelle
Hallo!! a little help! Is it good this trinket for a prot warriror? or is just pixel?? thanks!!
lofty widget
no its not good
old nacelle
👌🏻
urban portal
About equal I would say
jagged pier
Hallo!! a little help! Is it good this trinket for a prot warriror? or is just ...
nice vendor item
median tulip
It's especially not good at ilvl 255 when you have 278 options
And for god's sake learn to WinKey+Shift+S to screen grab
sick sentinel
mb
jagged pier
well not codex
sick sentinel
scale 278 sack 272, dragon deez nuts
wild hemlock
tell em yog
languid carbon
Using the same as yogi, just lower ilvl. And I like them 🙃
odd tree
shard 252, OPC 278
toxic pewter
guys.. i have a confession to make..
i started leveling a prot paladin... and... and .. I am... enjoying it...
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
WHO AM I
WAT AM I DOING
wild hemlock
well
they have a couple fun buttons, DT, BOP etc but for the love of god they are boring resource wise
onyx matrix
@toxic pewter nothing wrong with that, I like prot pala myself
sick sentinel
i started leveling a prot paladin... and... and .. I am... enjoying it...
retribution, now.
its super satisfying to play
toxic pewter
its super satisfying to play
I will try next
toxic pewter
stuff is supposed to be fun
true lol
cerulean tusk
You know warr is in a bad place when the bros just accept ppl enjoying other classes. That or new TOS reformed y'all.
lofty widget
grave crane
War is loads of fun but so are other classes that’s why rpgs are fun
cerulean tusk
Cro knows what's up. If you ain't playing it nonstop, it bad 
cobalt seal
strong forum
theres a reason why theres a 1 character max per account cap
safe thistle
its always fun to play other aspect of the game too, if you heal or dps you get in the mindset for those and afterward you become a better tank because you know what they all need from you to do. Fun and grow you up as a player.
sick sentinel
ran mists and top 0 today for valor shield: no valor shield, boosty priest didn't know about the debuff in golem wing, but it was a low ilvl group
primal cape
So which trinkets are good for prot?
using scale 278 and soleahs 272
waxen orbit
25 Spires was last night
26 PF was at 3 this morning
Y’all know what that means
EZ timer on 27 Gambit
strong forum
surely
waxen orbit
I think I’m just gonna stay on my giga ST dam build
WW monk + destro lock
We got AOE covered
Plus an enhance shaman to fully capitalize on that ST dam
And of course a resto druid to full simp our health bars
strong forum
sounds like bis comp tbh
strong forum
thats specifically what im talking about
waxen orbit
No yeah
Yet I’ve still had raid leads on regular basis who don’t give it to prot even tho we have top 4 absolute value gain
Reject raid, return to dungeon
strong forum
pretty sure we're #1
urban portal
Arms
waxen orbit
Arms is
strong forum
arms in raid
waxen orbit
Ret also because of tier set
strong forum
?
waxen orbit
Yeah in raid
hazy edge
W/ WF: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/o9eQqPvsE28XjN11e4AGz2
W/O WF: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cX4JkvjTzgpCbXx8kVYjHg
waxen orbit
Absolute value chart
waxen orbit
We finna see some more in the wake of these buffs
urban portal
Who plays prot in raid
waxen orbit
Prot is pretty good in raid man idk
urban portal
I mean you says who plays arms but it’s objectively true that more people play arms than prot
strong forum
that applies to every dps spec
urban portal
2309 arms 1k ish prot
strong forum
cuz they have 2 vastly better specs
waxen orbit
Nah I know homie I’m memeing
Least they got buffed heavy
Might actually be a good pick outside of just ToP and Streets
urban portal
I don’t think so, people who play arms actually knows what they are doing
urban portal
Anyone who still plays bm on hunter is just bad
safe thistle
i play arms as OS cause i just have 1 weapon 😦
strong forum
arms is arguably more fun to play than fury
its just that the numbers arent there as much
safe thistle
i think the arms burst is better on trash
waxen orbit
Idk man I’m a buttonmasher
urban portal
Arms damage just 📉 once your wb is over
safe thistle
overpower got buffed though
urban portal
Did not buff dn
safe thistle
on trash they are even better than before
safe thistle
OP buff is a DN buff
waxen orbit
It would’ve said Dreadnaught buffed
urban portal
As part of the data
safe thistle
but aint dreadnaught from OP i dont get it
urban portal
No it’s a separate thing
waxen orbit
Like
strong forum
dreadnaught doesnt do dmg based on OP
waxen orbit
In the datamined code
strong forum
its just an extra proc
waxen orbit
^
strong forum
just like devastator is an individual proc that just so happens to come from auto attacks
urban portal
^
urban portal
Yes
safe thistle
damn
urban portal
It was a complete st buff
safe thistle
and here i though they broke arms for trash with that buff haha
well arms needed it but its not like warrior aint good atm my wife hate marksmanship so she still play BM lol pet are still with stupid path behavior
urban portal
Yeah the crowd that plays bm at its current state is quite casual
strong forum
BM is good at Jailer and Halondrus
urban portal
Not anymore on halon since it’s not nearly as movement intensive
And yeah good for specific bosses
strong forum
pretty sure BM is the best ST dmg spec for hunter
urban portal
But as a general statement that holds true
If you look at sims bm and survival is the same
Survival a bit ahead
strong forum
mh yeah seems BM fell off
safe thistle
anyway shes better as BM than marksman so w/e spec she does more dps is best ( confortable build over optimal )
safe thistle
the only reason i dont like fury is earing the damn WW sound
urban portal
Both mm and survival goes too brazy in keys
safe thistle
bm is really good on tyr week
urban portal
But they do the same st as survival without the brazy aoe
Idk if bm needs to change talents for st but survival sure doesn’t
safe thistle
bm its same talent for m+ raid st, aoe
urban portal
So it’s the same as survival then
urban portal
But it’s survival
dawn canyon
i think the arms burst is better on trash
Yes but fury burst can keep rolling for a solid 30 seconds
safe thistle
with a enh shamans surv must be better or its magical ?
urban portal
You can play bm and it’s fine, but to say it’s better than survival is just false
They don’t benefit from wft much
safe thistle
i thouhg survival issue were ST though
urban portal
They sim higher than bm
safe thistle
dunno when it changed it used to be crap
dawn canyon
Which is obsurd
safe thistle
yah but outside bomb ppl told me it sucked
urban portal
Ppl are stupid
Ppl don’t know numbers and feelycraft and parrot statements from years ago
toxic pewter
arms more fun and better than fury imo
urban portal
Arms def better in st
Idk about in keys
When critcake gave up on arms you know it’s fucked
safe thistle
well the number on fury were so fucking huge
dawn canyon
They both pump
safe thistle
so we will see arms back in raid with buff ?
sick sentinel
nw 0, still no shield 😦
wild hemlock
ty for the m0 updates yog
sick sentinel
don't got a valor one yet, could take one i get to 272
safe thistle
why 0 when you can snowball 5--10
wild hemlock
don't got a valor one yet, could take one i get to 272
we are very well aware
sick sentinel
i didn't even know people still listed those keys any more
safe thistle
the group you must get in 0 might make it longer than a +10
sick sentinel
everytime i open the LFG its +15-20's+
sick sentinel
dats me
safe thistle
he means as high ilvl
sick sentinel
i assume this is how you practice doing large pulls too then? since harder, not impossible, to wipe on those
sick sentinel
so i could do larger pulls on 15-19 keys
safe thistle
acant practice on lower key for that....
wild hemlock
i assume this is how you practice doing large pulls too then? since harder, not ...
no just blast and loot
yo is it even worth to craft seismic for weekly teen keys anymore>
?
15-18
urban portal
you can
jagged pier
u can get 80% + with seismic
lime urchin
How would it not be worth?
jagged pier
banner uptime i mean
wild hemlock
How would it not be worth?
i wasnt sure if double legos or tier sets or anything just made reprisal the 100% play
urban portal
well reprisal was 99% the play
strong forum
you need to really play around seismic to make it work
wild hemlock
well reprisal was 99% the play
im not comprehending this statement
urban portal
reprisal was already absurdly good
wild hemlock
understood
strong forum
playing reprisal is alot more comfortable and seismic isnt that much more dmg
wild hemlock
playing reprisal is alot more comfortable and seismic isnt *that* much more dmg
thank you. thats more or less what i was looking for
livid dagger
Why is it pinned that Codex is such a bad trinket for Prot warrior ( i understand why it is) but literally every prot warrior seems to be using it
hazy edge
Because they are doing it wrong
chilly brook
Why is it pinned that Codex is such a bad trinket for Prot warrior ( i understan...
Bruh
Just because people do it
Doesn’t mean they’ve done the math or comparison to actually know
Nor does it even mean they’re good prot players
livid dagger
im talking about the top warriors of warcraft logs
livid dagger
on*
chilly brook
Because on wcl they’ll be using dps trinkets
So you’re talking about the same guy who has 60% blocked hits
In a 26
Lmfao
urban portal
it seems good if you feelycraft
but its not
its good on like vdh and monks
prot war takes the least melee dam out of any tank
pallid quiver
strong forum
Scale + soleah/elegy/ows/afe
strong forum
If you have access to aegis, that's still incredibly strong
strong forum
239 is aight
Should be about equal to a 278 scale defensively
If used frequently
And just like the others said, the people (even the top 5 pwars) who use codex are flat out wrong to do so
Codex provides little to nothing for us
livid dagger
Okay, I appreciate the info!
sick sentinel
how about this route, i have 18 dos, but i have little hope it will be on time at 18, i changed the ardeanweald wings to not be too rough, unless im missing something
chrome falcon
any route is fine
sick sentinel
fort means im not in as much of a rush to get to the boss get lust off earlier so i can get more lusts?
chrome falcon
fort you lust first pull
cobalt seal
Sounds like a bad route just by being from dratnos
wild hemlock
Sounds like a bad route just by being from dratnos
kinda cringe when dude is asking for help but ok
ocean yoke
dratnos routes are fine for what they are, a baseline to try when you literally have no idea before you find your own way to do a dungeon
wild hemlock
ok chaddyboy
cobalt seal
Works every time
chrome falcon
press W is trolling in dos
cobalt seal
And its simples
chrome falcon
wo->ardenweald is so free
wild hemlock
still cringe tho cro
cobalt seal
You know what cringe even means
sick sentinel
i could just hold W left at start lust first pull and then lust first boss, lust on hakkar/final
cobalt seal
dps dont kick
What is there to kick in arden
sick sentinel
i just call any end of the dungeon boss, main boss the final
fallow narwhal
second pull of dos
wild hemlock
What is there to kick in arden
he said second pull. use your brain. obviously not WOing
fallow narwhal
someone said lust first pull of dos
cobalt seal
2nd pull in dos is generally Arden nowadays
wild hemlock
obv not ardenwald second
wild hemlock
is cringe yes
sick sentinel
this was something we did when we did the ring method in s0/1/2
cobalt seal
To show up mid pull
sick sentinel
we lusted pull 1 or 2,
wild hemlock
but you knew what he is saying, is what im getting at
wild hemlock
jesus fuck your denser than my fucking driveway
fallow narwhal
only real wo skip i like to do in pugs is skipping lubricators and oils
and the drill
ocean yoke
the dratnos route youre trashing is the same one youre talking about doing btw, might want to actually click the link before
wo to ardenweald
wild hemlock
the dratnos route youre trashing is the same one youre talking about doing btw, ...
hes denser than a doorknob
cobalt seal
the dratnos route youre trashing is the same one youre talking about doing btw, ...
Considering he is playing blobs on mecha
No its not the same thing
Also didnt know
A route was defined
On 1 wo
fringe folio
Cause your as dense as a doorknob, or driveway, not sure anymore 😎
Caine help me out
toxic pewter
WHY WE DRIVE ON PARKWAY AND PARK ON DRIVEWAY
wild hemlock
Caine help me out
driveways tend to crumble over time. doorknobs do not. lets go with doorknob
although he stil has time to redeem himself and get upgraded to the driveway
wild hemlock
WHY WE DRIVE ON PARKWAY AND PARK ON DRIVEWAY
EU VS NA LETS GOOOOOOOO
ebon geyser
How u folks liking playing with the alliance baddies
wild hemlock
i switched my protty boy to a female dwarf last night lmaooo
ebon geyser
Eeeww
wild hemlock
im pretty for once
wild hemlock
stoneform my dude
ebon geyser
U said look good
strong forum
ebon geyser
wild hemlock
very pretty
lofty widget
damn soleah is cracked atm
hardy ridge
Vulpera bros no more 💔
strong forum
alliance > horde
sick sentinel
KSM > picking faction
hardy ridge
That requirement has been filled long ago brother
cobalt seal
alliance > horde
Dense
hardy ridge
Im thinking of going diaper baby
cobalt seal
sick sentinel
not for me yet ksm hasn't been done yet
hardy ridge
Just get into 5 tanks keys
You got this man
urban portal
3 prot warriors 2 blood dks
fringe folio
idk this version of KSM is easy 4 me but i have severe psychosis and whenever i play wow i just sort of zone out like im not in my body and im just playing my character on auto pilot or something dodging mechanics and doing big dam its pretty crazy but thats just who i am
dawn canyon
woeful bramble
Is there any possibility to bring back gladiator stance??
chrome falcon
gladiator stance is about as likely as vengeance coming back
putting a 4th spec into the game via a talent is just jank as fuck
toxic pewter
You look bad ass. Are you dwarf or dark iron dwarf
strong forum
dark iron
sick sentinel
hopefully that priest knows about the dispel in top golem now
restive sage
@sick sentinel you need like 150 score
just fill in those last 3 fort keys
and you're there
vernal vale
gladiator stance is about as likely as vengeance coming back
Gladiator could come back as its own thing. After all feral druid used to be cat and bear before they split it.
I'll never not hope for that dps style to come back.
echo egret
Even after a fair bit of training, I can't reach the 10k dps in M+, any advice ?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bpkd6zyFCKVDH12T/#fight=last
rugged mural
I've been NF prot since 9.0. Trying to learn Necro and I can't keep banner up 100% against a target dummy. Player issue or do you need incoming damage and teammates to intervene for it to work?
jagged pier
player issue tbh
strong forum
Even after a fair bit of training, I can't reach the 10k dps in M+, any advice ?...
youre simply not pressing enough buttons
this is my cpm from the top17 i just did
not amazing either
but somewhat alright
youre 100% not using demo shout enough, youre playing Booming Voice but youre not making use of it
chrome falcon
yeah demo shout should be 1 per minute absolute minimum
and really should be on CD
your rage waste is low which is good but that might be because you're not generating enough by missing SS casts
echo egret
tbh I rebuilt my whole UI to try and diminish rage wasted
chrome falcon
oh wait
hazy edge
Even after a fair bit of training, I can't reach the 10k dps in M+, any advice ?...
As Nom said, hit more buttons faster. You missed a lot of Avatar casts, which is a big damage loss, need to cast execute a ton more, missed a ton of intervene casts as well, demo shout needs to be cast a lot more, SS a lot more, TC actually a bit less
chrome falcon
no
i know why you wasted low rage
you cast LS once
the whole key
it should literally be on CD
as long as banner is up
echo egret
I'm reading 4 casts but I get the point
chrome falcon
oh sorry yeah
4 casts which is 0.1 per minute mb
still, literally press it on CD
it's a huge dps cooldown with banner
strong forum
for example
i ended first boss of ToP with 32sec left on Banner
gotta spam those buttons
using LS early on lets you stack up huge amount of banner time and feed more into it over time
and obv Urh is massive for us
chrome falcon
you should be casting avatar every 35-45 seconds on average and more like 25 seconds with last stand or BL up
you're barely at 1 per minute
echo egret
(Urh management was terribad on this run)
strong forum
same
we got like 5 Wos
absolutely bullshit
i couldve gotten r1 log if we had actually killed urh
echo egret
tbh it was a "15 to fill the vault" so no one really cared much about that
cobalt seal
echo egret
still, even with Last Stand, I know when there's a bit going on on the screen, I tend to fall behind eventually and lose the buff
strong forum
that just means youre not spamming IP / rev / ss enough
echo egret
The amount of button pressing, can it be replicated on a target dummy or is it too different from live action ?
(tanking target dummy for dmg income)
strong forum
training on the dummy is good
first goal should be to keep up banner for 2minutes
cuz if you can keep up banner for 2minutes on dummy
echo egret
actually on a dummy that's about okay, because there's no interference
strong forum
that means youre practically playing correctly
chrome falcon
there's very little interference in keys
just panic and mindflood
very rarely is a mob actually going to stop you generating rage
echo egret
that's not "very little" to me !
cobalt seal
Why
chrome falcon
sure but you can just improve and practice to get past that
echo egret
moving for revenge arc, taunting stuff, kicking, spell reflect
chrome falcon
just get really used to it on a dummy and then apply that in keys
sure but nothing you just mentioned
is actually on the GCD
and none of it should decrease your dps or rage generation
slim zinc
Panic is purely related to experience
chrome falcon
yeah
echo egret
Well I am practising on keys
Well, I understand the "not on GCD" thing, but it's still one finger going on another key
chrome falcon
yeah my point is just to really understand what you should be doing on a dummy and then replicate that into a key
yeah you need good uhh... finger dexterity?? and good casts per minute on warrior
cobalt seal
Well, I understand the "not on GCD" thing, but it's still one finger going on an...
You have at least 5
dreamy wedge
how much is "a ton"
Kinda late but like, 35% haste
echo egret
anyway, I know what to look after, thanks
mighty valley
40% is where you're kinda overloaded on haste (pre-ITF etc)
but also at that point you're also fine to just socket your favorite stat
waxen orbit
This new execute buff is an absolute joke
Which one of you greedy twats is working at Blizz
modern brook
You have at least 5
ABELISM in MY discord????????
cobalt seal
modern brook
My phone autocorrected ableism
modern brook
And now I look dumb
urban portal
Why can’t you macro jump and ip onto the same button
mighty valley
the average number of fingers per hand is <5
dreamy wedge
This new execute buff is an absolute joke
Of all the things about our damage that could've been buffed, the last button that came to mind was execute ngl
cough cough thunder crap cough cough
dreamy wedge
Yeah I saw that, RIP last boss of ToP lol
safe thistle
lol im happy i did my 20 top before patch sdo its 1 done
the other aint that bad
you can immune the confinement on first tazavesh boss and he does like 2-3 during the whole fight beofre dying
dreamy wedge
If your group has to eat it though, it's gonna do so much damage to whoever's stuck in it
safe thistle
tank doesnt get dmg on it healer would blow cd on cced
dreamy wedge
Fair enough
safe thistle
to be fair first boss was a meme
the ooze thing in PF isnt an issue for us since we dont even gget it
dreamy wedge
Yeah I get hit by inject maybe once in the fight depending on the dps
The buff to SR really helped on that one specifically
median tulip
Yeah I saw that, RIP last boss of ToP lol
I did ToP+19 about an hour ago. It's noticable, but it's not particularly threatening. One good AoE stun and it's a non-issue
sick sentinel
The Mordretha, the Endless Empress boss encounter summons Deathwalker adds which cast Death Bolt on random members of the group.
These Deathwalker previously did not scale their health or damage with key level, meaning they died very quickly and did very little damage even while alive.
In Patch 9.2.5, Deathwalker adds now scale with Keystone level, making them take a lot longer to die and deal a significant amount of damage if casts go off.
rip TOP our best key
median tulip
Did you read what I just said?
sick sentinel
honestly no, i did not, i was reading the link on 2nd monitor
toxic pewter
O_o
median tulip
The change to the first boss of Tazavesh is slightly more noticeable and important; the target needs to give a bit more distance
sick sentinel
thats very accurate, those green bois on mordretha pre-now were literal do-nothings
median tulip
I haven't done halls or PF since the patch
sick sentinel
sounds like stacking adds problem though still, they all get grouped up they all get hit at once and die
i did 4 16 pf's last week
all my own key
median tulip
But ToP? It's a "meh" change. Shockwave or Cap Totem when they spawn, they are dead before they cast anything, GG
safe thistle
yup and PF you spell rflect anyway youll never get the ooze
sick sentinel
thats i guess where i get frustrated lots is tons of do nothing mobs followed by 20% of ur hp every 1 second for 7 seconds debuff/attack
median tulip
The Halls one looks nasty tho
safe thistle
i guess ppl really gotta avoid the ground dmg
sick sentinel
theres been a key or 2 in halls where i just let the ghost sit on me for a few seconds
thats a very good change because it now forces the player to not just like pally bubble and ignore
median tulip
It puts more of a premium on us tanking the boss right by a pot so the mechanic can be ignored by melee DPS
safe thistle
i always tank next to one so if i get a ghost its instant done
median tulip
i always tank next to one so if i get a ghost its instant done
Same, but with the fire swirlies sometimes you gotta move. Premium on getting back to the pot ASAP now
sick sentinel
if you just killed the first boss of DOS in ardean weald, and so your coming back for the wo pack, would be best to then go to middle platform to the left as you come out where the red boy goes and grab him there alone and then go up to left side back to ardean weald stairs 2 packs with the jar?
i would like to imagine that getting him alone so he can't aggro later would be the correct play
mighty valley
oh looks like halls already nerfed
toxic pewter
wats the best zandalari troll loa blessing for prot warr u guys think
hazy edge
Gonk for da speed
toxic pewter
Gonk for da speed
actually not bad idea tbh
safe thistle
just did a street 20 didnt felt a difference with first boss
toxic pewter
with the chambers or wahtever
cinder nova
Any idea how to turn off this shit on WCL
dawn canyon
Go to recruitment options and turn it off iirc
sick sentinel
we still lust first pack with wo to dealer? got someone asking, i think you lust at boss
dawn canyon
Dos?
toxic pewter
we still lust first pack with wo to dealer? got someone asking, i think you lust...
yah on fortified weeks i do that. on tyrannical wo to hakker and lust hakkar
cinder nova
Huh, M sko is pretty comfy
sick sentinel
ddin't time it, + 16 dos, don't want to bore you with details, something about gnome stair pack an urh got spawned, no idea till i look later, but, don't even matter anyways, because just a bad key in general it's completed and i got a +80 io for it, so thats something
got a second scale, 265, so i was able to trade it to the monk
toxic pewter
well cant time them all
sick sentinel
theres a new log undermy name but its more of the same, tons of wasted rage, 1600 wasted on SS 633 on ravager in that run 13.7% total waste
cinder nova
Am I crazy or does M Daus slap?
sick sentinel
not a clue what that is
cinder nova
Mythic Dausegne?
hazy edge
I mean 85% of the fight is magic damage
sick sentinel
ohhh, right, im not a raider lol, at least not as tank i'd be on a dps main, probably a rogue, probably sub or assassin
hazy edge
It's not a good mash up, but it's doable
sick sentinel
99% of times if i'm wanted for dps i'll roll a dps class whats better than the wizard deleter rogue
cinder nova
I mean, even with a lot of magic damage you can do a lot more at current to deal with it than ever before in the tier.
The sheer glut of rage makes IP pretty much almost a permabuff.
sick sentinel
i gotta get a PF key this week
hazy edge
Yeah it's doable, just slaps hard
sick sentinel
75 score even if i fail it
cinder nova
Hmmm. Well I got 100s on the last two M bosses we progged 
I'm sure this'll be pretty easy
sick sentinel
once i get my KSM i'lll not bug prot warrior discord so much for a while, at least until dragonflight
hazy edge
Hmmm. Well I got 100s on the last two M bosses we progged <:keks:936231610850897...
The fight is all about positioning and baiting the add to a good place. Do those well and it's ezpz
sick sentinel
this god damn mount is the item of ultimate desire for me though
hazy edge
75 score even if i fail it
You can do it I believe!
cinder nova
this god damn mount is the item of ultimate desire for me though
Why? It's so hideous
robust rover
flint plank
Might be a dumb question. But I’m new to pwar. When spending rage on defensives. How do you determine when to sue. Shield block or ignore pain ?
wooden widget
Shield block always if you’re taking blockable dmg. IP if you’re gonna cap on rage. Think of IP as a rage dump mostly
sick sentinel
shield block is you use it on any mob that has animation of trying to bash your face with a hammer or stab you with knife
urban portal
Ignore pain is bad
sick sentinel
long as they are meleing you and facing towards them
cinder nova
Ignore pain is bad, yeah, but it's still going to be one of your primary forms of curving down damage intake - especially damage you can't block. You're almost never going to pick it rotationally over ShB, but you do vent your rage by just throttling all of it into IP so it creates a pretty noticeable reduction in intake.
onyx vessel
With our current rage gen its fine
ionic fern
IP being "ok" or trash is completely up to the extra Rage we have to spend.
Currently it's in the "fine" section because we just have so much Rage to spend that we don't really sacrifice anything else when pressing IP. And the amount of IP we press makes it solid.
When we have less incoming Rage, IP becomes worse and worse as the Rage can be spent on other, more useful things.
onyx vessel
Revenge cant dump rage
Get a proc caps rage
If ip was that you be using ww to dump rage instead
Like mwahi
ionic fern
I'm super confused about what you just said.
onyx vessel
I dont even know
potent anvil
Eyir socks
gilded tendonBOT
🧦
potent anvil
Hmm..bot seems fine.
gilded tendonBOT
fuk u @potent anvil
onyx vessel
You think leaving server and rejoining would fix it?
potent anvil
onyx vessel
Whats the best 2nd trinket with codex being shitty now?
Currently running scale and 246 old warrior soul
potent anvil
I dunno. I slap on dps trinkets. I use 259 ows and 272 phial
strong forum
Defensively, any haste trinket
onyx vessel
Explosive management as prot warrior
ionic fern
Healers job.
onyx vessel
Had my friend the fury warrior do it
He had over a 100 explosive killed
I was told it was tanks and healers job
strong forum
95% healers job
5% rest, if you have a destro lock, it's a also their job on bosses
Cuz destro gets big dick dmg gains from killing them with shadowburn
onyx vessel
Melee dps job 5%
brittle owl
95% healers job
it's everybody's job in an average pug
onyx vessel
Nah everyone but healer
I have a explosive weak aura
They would finsh sub 10
Explosive hardest affix for pugs
toxic pewter
Any estimate of when season 4 starts
strong forum
2-3 months
brittle owl
objection hearsay
onyx vessel
Fuckin amber heard got 2m
toxic pewter
I’m excited for next season to be honest. Really bored of shadowlands dungeons
Some of the worst dungeons of any expansion
onyx vessel
Bitch shoulda lost 50m lied under oath
onyx vessel
I think Nome has now joined the "I play the game club" again.
About time
brittle owl
Fuckin amber heard got 2m
but she didn't?
onyx vessel
Good
brittle owl
she has to pay 13 mil
down from 15 initially awarded to depp or something
idk how people don't know how damage payment works
brittle owl
but it was a short trial o.O
blazing condor
Better make sure its done right
brittle owl
trials like these usually take alot longer
blazing condor
So it doesnt come back later on
brittle owl
trials in general actually
brittle owl
idk man there's prob still appeals to come so this clown fiesta prob isn't over yet
onyx vessel
Yeah
blazing condor
Just as many people support amber as depp
Just dont see them cus they dont usually hang out on the internet
waxen orbit
Good
They should keep their opinions in the Amish towns they were raised in
And before anyone says that’s offensive let’s ask the Amish what they think real quick
OH WAIT
jagged pier
okay guys its getting way off-topic in here
waxen orbit
True true
Segway
I took an Amber Heard on this 23 ToP and bricked the shit out of it earlier yesterday but at least I redeemed myself by nearly 2 chesting a 25 of it an hour later
You can easily maintain 100% uptime on banner there
Also Reaping Scythe hits for 100k
So EZ reflect dam
onyx matrix
Justice is served, hey im Saul Goodman, your good lawyer that you can trust 500% on.
brittle owl
okay guys its getting way off-topic in here
not our fault #off-topic is full of degenerate shit
onyx vessel
On topic for prot
What you mean
We protecting johnny
Not as many people support amber
But w.e off topic hell no
halcyon pasture
Did prot get a damage buff real recently? MR Depp would like to know.
This morning ish. ...?
onyx vessel
Only 15% on excute
hardy ridge
Don’t drink and drive, but if you do, call Saul
onyx matrix
damn right!
valid violet
How do you guys see bursting this week?
sweet summit
non affix outside of a few pulls where you go double digit stacks
dawn canyon
Dworf 
sweet summit
remember AD with void emissary in a saurid pack on bursting week 
onyx vessel
yeah that was rough
jagged pier
@oblique garnet rep and BV
sick sentinel
one time i went to do uh, +16ish i think SD with a mm venthyr hunter, that run was cut short for whatever reason though
after i get KSM i'm going back to the alliance, where i belong (depends if i can find a server with good AH prices and stuff)
sick sentinel
remember AD with void emissary in a saurid pack on bursting week <:medge:8694686...
nononono, Remember not one but THREE void emissaries in the very start of underrot? have to kill minimum 2 in the prenerf.
cobalt seal
after i get KSM i'm going back to the alliance, where i belong (depends if i can...
Why do you need horde to get ksm?
lime urchin
<@143839248422928384> rep and BV
share logs plx
strong forum
It's rly hard not to overcap
jagged pier
im playing bv and rep there so i 100% did
lime urchin
yes but I am stuck on 8-10k dps so imma trying to waste a bit less!
sick sentinel
Why do you need horde to get ksm?
just rather not lose progress... again...
cobalt seal
What
sick sentinel
this would be second time switch faction
cobalt seal
And?
sick sentinel
don't you lose reknown and quest prog and a bunch of stuff?
jagged pier
why would that happen?
blazing condor
Its not faction bound
cobalt seal
Since they still marked as completed
sick sentinel
imma just do it on horde and get it and then i'll switch later once its done its done
sick sentinel
friends and opportunities, and lower flask prices at AH ! 800g per flask? yeah right how about 300
cobalt seal
What
cobalt seal
Prices is a server thing lol
jagged pier
as AH hasnt been faction locked since like cata