fucking weeb degen
#protection
brittle owl
sweet summit
i don't see how this is lewd
blazing condor
Im with the weeb on this one
They just lookin to their right
Cus there’s nothing left 
hardy ridge
My favourite anime is avatar
dawn canyon
There there 
\
hardy ridge
Im a weeb too
dawn canyon
Forgor to reply 
dawn canyon
3rd highest grossing movie ever after infinity war and morbius
sweet summit
loved mr. morb in morbius he was epic
blazing condor
Morbius didnt actually make 3 morbillion dollars 🤓
sweet summit
goodstuffe isn't actually based 🤓
dawn canyon
It was 5 morbillion Dollars 
jagged pier
blazing condor
goodstuffe isn't actually based 🤓
Words hurt, you know 😢
jagged pier
Good to see we have intellectuals in here
sweet summit
Words hurt, you know 😢
stop cry noob
median tulip
I think that you can still get Scale etc by running the M0 and upgrading with Valour
NGL, I actually like this idea of an end of season re-run
strong forum
I think that you can still get Scale etc by running the M0 and upgrading with Va...
Big doubt
median tulip
🤷
I mean, I don't think it'll be a worthwhile investment of 4.4k of valour, but I think it'll work
Top trinket selection is going to be OWS/Aegis, with So'leah's as a backup option IMO
dawn canyon
I cant wait to Upgrade the 246 opc i got on my 2nd warrior
median tulip
It's a shame that the best trinkets come from the worst of the 3 raids
brittle owl
stop cry noob
shut up weeb
sweet summit
shut up weeb
cry about it
uncut notch
Sadness because I actually really like the current dungeons
S4 seems like it’s gonna be wank, idk
strong forum
I'm gonna be so glad the dungeons are gone
uncut notch
I’ll probably push KSM for the mount and then leave it
uncut notch
I'm gonna be so glad the dungeons are gone
Why?
I only started playing in 9.1 so it’s all still pretty fun for me
I did the khara m+ on the ptr and honestly it made me Uber sad
uncut notch
Cool dungeon but is going to suck ass in fortified etc
strong forum
Halls and wake are among the 2 worst dungeon
NW by far the worst dungeon in SL
Followed by ToP
uncut notch
The only absolute howlers I’d say are spires and dos solely because it takes fucking ages
And spires because it’s just awful
ionic fern
Why don't you like NW and ToP?:o
uncut notch
Why don't you like NW and ToP?:o
TOP is amazing as prot warrior hahaha I love it
strong forum
Sure love 3 bosses where I have 0 control over the outcome of success, dungeon that kills itself because of weapon abuse, and is over if you missuse a weapon
3rd boss being pretty much GG if you can't kill it in 2 phases
Great design
uncut notch
Nah you’re tripping
Dungeons are a team effort
it’s well designed that everyone has to play their role
uncut notch
Hahah wow okay
ionic fern
Idk, i like ToP and NW.
Halls can go screw itself tho.
uncut notch
Idk, i like ToP and NW.
Halls can go screw itself tho.
Halls is amazing visually, conceptually, it’s just hard yards with certain affixes
strong forum
Top is trash cuz it's small pulls, again 0 agency as a tank to control anything cuz you need 580 kick rotations
fallow narwhal
i actually like halls tbh
least on any tank other than warr
warr just gotta watch when you pull curseymen
jagged pier
All current dungeons are trash change my mind
strong forum
Halls feigns being an open dungeon but you're hard locked into killing the 3 shards already gaining 69% of the dungeon involuntary, the only choice you have is 10% count cuz after 2nd boss is also entirely involuntary
And 3 bosses back to back to back is also just bad
ionic fern
All current dungeons are trash change my mind
jagged pier
Dos tones of 1 shot magic nukes on trash, horrible bleeds mobs u can only pull 1 at a time. Bosses that scale far to hard with tyan
uncut notch
Dos tones of 1 shot magic nukes on trash, horrible bleeds mobs u can only pull 1...
Agreed, Arden feels like a bribe after the shittest yards of dungeons ever
craggy pilot
Halls feigns being an open dungeon but you're hard locked into killing the 3 sha...
What about mist? 🤔
uncut notch
Fine, you ate your spinach, here you go, cocaine
strong forum
Mists is like ardenweald but an entire dungeon
90%+ physical dmg, only few important kicks
uncut notch
I think I’d like mists more without the maze mechanic
strong forum
And just big pulls
jagged pier
What about mist? 🤔
Bad because resticted due to maze
uncut notch
Like have the maze, just not the walls
jagged pier
Cant pull enough to make things useful
And still 99% of ppl dont understand the maze
uncut notch
It’s 10 minutes of playing at 30%
craggy pilot
What about spires then? You get a bunch of pack choices there 🤔
uncut notch
What about spires then? You get a bunch of pack choices there 🤔
It’s just boring
And looks bad
And is just press w
Camera warfare everywhere
strong forum
Spires is too much RP
jagged pier
What about spires then? You get a bunch of pack choices there 🤔
I mean u dont you literally locks in to certain % because u have to kill certain mobs and packs to fly to the next area
strong forum
And too linear
uncut notch
Spires looks awesome.
Objectively bad take when most of the MDI players used a potion to change the appearance
ionic fern
I honestly couldn't care less about what MDI people do.
strong forum
They're all just exaggerating
uncut notch
I use them a lot, good in SOTFO
ionic fern
And then some pwar sucked ass.
Smh.
And the commentators don't even know what they are talking about
Smh.
craggy pilot
Mwahi for commentator
ionic fern
I'd be awesome.
uncut notch
I honestly couldn't care less about what MDI people do.
Sure, but I didn’t mean it from a performance angle, more “a sample of x people we all witnessed and the majority chose to modify visuals”
The Goliath+wyrm patrol pull is fun if you don’t spear it
The end
mental scarab
brittle owl
I use them a lot, good in SOTFO
why would you intentionally make your game look like ass
sweet summit
sweet summit
yeah korthia was a lot better
onyx matrix
was really hoping rep was increased just like it was back in wrath/legion
brittle owl
bring back tabards tbh
sweet summit
but there are tabards?
onyx matrix
best thing ever
dawn canyon
korthia was only good once rift
onyx matrix
but there are tabards?
we´re talking about rep tabards
sweet summit
wtf is a rep tabard
onyx matrix
never heard of it?
sweet summit
a contract but on a tabard?
onyx matrix
whenever you use it you gain rep inside a dungeon
brittle owl
erga is zoomer lowlife
onyx matrix
"heroic"
onyx matrix
cata shit? it came in wrath
dawn canyon
its INSANELY boring
onyx matrix
what are you on about
brittle owl
he only knows things after iphone 5
dawn canyon
cata ones are the ones i remember
brittle owl
jfc
onyx matrix
its INSANELY boring
still a crap-ton better than doing dailies which only grants 75 rep per daily quest
brittle owl
cata shit? it came in wrath
it's been since vanilla
dawn canyon
i dont like rep tabards
brittle owl
another goddang zoomer
onyx matrix
it's been since vanilla
not rep tabards
dawn canyon
the idea is the tabard is the reward
brittle owl
or the very earliest tbc
dawn canyon
to me anyways
onyx matrix
we´re not talking about exalted rep tabards, we´re talking about tabards that grants you reputation
jesus fking christ
dawn canyon
exalted for mount revered for tabard would be cool
strong forum
a contract but on a tabard?
You equipped tabard of rep X
You did dungeon
For every mob you kill you get rep.
GG no re
sweet summit
epic and cool
strong forum
Best rep system
onyx matrix
Best rep system
agreed.
AND, the rep vendors did actually have some decent gear too
head enchant, shoulder enchant, mm mmm
bring back glowing enchants again
sweet summit
he only knows things after iphone 5
true
dawn canyon
rep for gear is bad
onyx matrix
why?
you get the piece you want and its gauranteed
whats wrong with that?
or you prefer sitting in the same m+ dungeon running it over and over and over never seeing it drop? or see someone else get it? kek
sweet summit
foreign concept to me so i don't want to comment on that but it does sound nice i guess
onyx matrix
foreign concept to me so i don't want to comment on that but it does sound nice ...
when did you start playing?
sweet summit
bfa
onyx matrix
yea that says alot
rep system was just better a couple of years ago
and a re-introduction to pve vendors would be a good idea now too and im talking about justice vendor and valor vendors
sweet summit
can't remember rep being relevant outside of very early uldir in bfa, and now in SL it has just been for conduits/sockets and infinite rune
onyx matrix
or badge, doesnt matter
onyx matrix
can't remember rep being relevant outside of very early uldir in bfa, and now in...
thats been like that since wod and up
brittle owl
fucking jesus christ
onyx matrix
exept the borrowed power bs
sweet summit
i don't mind rep being cosmetics only tho
onyx matrix
never liked farming rep for keys for tbc heroics though
brittle owl
good, the game didn't like you either
ionic fern
^
jagged pier
And your an angry zoomer @sweet summit
sweet summit
😈
ionic fern
We will raise you right, don't worry Erga.
median tulip
Top is trash cuz it's small pulls, again 0 agency as a tank to control anything ...
I like ToP because it's a free key whenever I need to fill a vault slot. PF on the other hand, can truly go DIAF
sweet summit
die in a fire?
ionic fern
Wait
sweet summit
but that would make it good
ionic fern
You loathed Freehold?
sweet summit
and it's bad
ionic fern
Freehold was great.
sweet summit
freehold was good on any non eudora+tyrannical week 
ionic fern
blazing condor
Freehold was kinda poopy
sweet summit
ur kinda poopy
blazing condor
Or rather overhyped
median tulip
Freehold was absolute fucking dogshit trash
blazing condor
U r what u eat @sweet summit
median tulip
Freehold was the worst dungeon in BfA by a fucking country mile, even moreso than Junkyard
median tulip
King's Rest was great. Loved that place
sweet summit
someone hold me back
sweet summit
i am about to unleash the kraken on Zetakya
sweet summit
my opinion >>>>>> your opinion
median tulip
You got that backwards too xD
dawn canyon
strong forum
PF is literally 4x easier than ToP
tame jasper
PF is literally 4x easier than ToP
And 4x less fun than ToP
But ofc that’s all opinion based
strong forum
both suck in terms of fun
tame jasper
For me ToP is also an easy dungeon and a lot of fun
I like the variety you can play ToP
strong forum
?
tame jasper
But yes, there are other dungeons which are more fun. I like Gambit most atm. Short, trash is trashy up to harder, nice bosses
strong forum
its literally okay which shit wing do i play first
onyx matrix
Bfa was ass
sick sentinel
i did 4 pf 16's last week
son of a bitch do i ever not want to go back there again
worst part about TOP is the teleport section and people don't stop to think to ask for healer direction to wait on rez or release
and how it doesn't put you back close enough and instead puts you back at the spawn location after first boss, you have to run through green artillery, and if you don't die to that spend another 20 seconds stuck in teleport animations
onyx matrix
Ah yes TOP when ppl die by the black whirlwinds still
sick sentinel
cuz, 1 guy dying there can easily cost the group like 2 minutes MINIMUM,
if its tank or healer or best dps with trash still alive, your gunna wipe and now ontop of an additional 25seconds to group wipe, you have that 25 + whatever it takes to run back
i don't know how this isn't illegal as a game dev and then like in PF you kill first boss, spawn at start, kill second boss spawn and 2nd boss, kill 3rd boss spawn at 2nd boss?? wait a minute...
like, its on a strict timer, and then there are these huge obvious time sinks if you can't play around
sick sentinel
Ah yes TOP when ppl die by the black whirlwinds still
people still die to bolts + not kick + soul storm
onyx matrix
Yea and regret killing explosives
🤣
Had to do all that shit earlier today by myself
safe thistle
discord blowing up ?
median tulip
PF is literally 4x easier than ToP
It's literally a long trek through a sea of goop. DNW
median tulip
people still die to bolts + not kick + soul storm
Soulstorm is just there to remind DPS players that they have defensives
safe thistle
thats a bad route you waste so much time on 2 mopbs pack there
sick sentinel
thats a bad route you waste so much time on 2 mopbs pack there
you literally cannot get the red slime pack alone unless im missing something and group expects i MDI pull the golem + little + 4
safe thistle
why you say that ?
sick sentinel
statistically improbable, unless there is a trick to it
sick sentinel
i dunno if my final pf 16 logged or recorded last night, but, since this has been an ongoing issue nome has noted since BFA its time to put bad dps nail in coffin
and i figure looking at both together can solve why im not doing things i need to do.
safe thistle
you didnt log it ?
sick sentinel
things i want to figure out is what is is that i THINK i'm doing when i'm in the actual combat, and what causes the correct play to grind to halt
i might have i might not have, 100% not uploaded, but might be in text form
safe thistle
normally you know where you screw up as a tank and just learn from it and when you redo the key dont redo the same mistake. End
sick sentinel
well, i want to get a check on if i think i'm doing the right thing, and if i am, and if not, what causes the lapse
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/WnKwBTDNZPy9Vx1v/ I wasn't exactly keen on turning on the log or sharing this one, but its the most recent, it's abysmall on the dps side i can say for sure.
LMK if link broken
wild hemlock
do we get ravager perma threat starting today?
sick sentinel
i've heard its +25% threat all tanks
ionic fern
18%.
onyx matrix
Ah 18%?
wild hemlock
i havent even looked what we were getting or when it hits. ty
sick sentinel
thats pretty good as it is, but, it doesn't exactly tell me "pf 16"
a few 3kb ones and some 200k ones
safe thistle
you know the date you did the key
strong meteor
Hi guys. So still leveling my warrior and got my 2 charges of SB 😂😂 and starting to tank my first dungeons. So i now IP it’s not a good buttom to press unless in lvl 60 with tier so should i use revenge and SB as my rage dumpers? Or is there any situation were i can press IP? Ty and remember im still learning the class so be gentle 😅😅😅
chrome falcon
you should not have to press IP in early dungeons
but if you start dying then yeah press it
chrome falcon
one that you thought when badly and was actually your fault
sick sentinel
thats all of them TBF, have to be more specifc rather
sick sentinel
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/2bYHtwyJQ9Lh3PTv/#fight=1 theatre of pain 18
chrome falcon
wow that's some terrible dps
sick sentinel
i have the video i can edit down as well if i wish to trim it down
chrome falcon
from everyone apart from the feral
sick sentinel
if you want a more visual representation of what happened
chrome falcon
your SS cpm is just crazy low
strong meteor
you should not have to press IP in early dungeons
Ty for help 💪🏼💪🏼
chrome falcon
revenge is fine but that's probably only because you're skipping SS casts for it
1 ravager cast per minute is low too considering urh
sick sentinel
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/grT8p2LwG1VmN6fB/ 17 nw where i didn't use the SR or save avatar or move out of ring like a big stupid
and cost us the key
chrome falcon
you're doing 5.6k dps
that is what you need to focus on
that's barely higher than season 1 dps
this rage waste is crazy
press IP more
if you stand in a mechanic or fuck something up, whatever, that happens, you learn and move on
what you need to work on is just playing the class at a base level
sick sentinel
Like, i want to try to break down where it is that i am completely breaking down, i have been trying to do alot more intervenes i'll say that, i'm not doing them with rage in mind but they are being done,
chrome falcon
no
i'm telling you
what you're doing wrong
you wasted 1.7k rage
just from shield slam
that's not even counting the 1.7k rage you wasted from everything else
it doesn't matter how much rage you generate
if you don't spend it
sick sentinel
and this is what im trying to get at, i need to be able to do critical thinking and figure out when to and when not to do things
keep on the target,
chrome falcon
no you just need to fucking press ignore pain
like literally ever
you have so much going wrong that if you just try to generally focus on something as vague as "critical thinking" you're not going to get anywhere
your rage wasted is your biggest problem
if you were actually doing the dps you should be (roughly double what you're doing now) it wouldn't matter if you got hit by stuff
because everything would already be dead
sick sentinel
yeah, but numbers beat ideals and at some point you gotta do your taxes dot the i's cross the T's not go outside lines
safe thistle
@chrome falcon its like speaking to a lawyer 😛
chrome falcon
no
it's like being a lawyer and having a client who thinks they know as much about lawyering as you and ignore everything you say and just repeat stuff back that they heard on daytime dramas about being a lawyer
safe thistle
@sick sentinel what he said is all to improve yourself, rage wasted could be used on IP,revenge which would make pack die quicker andsmooth dmg too.
chrome falcon
no
not revenge
he's already pressing revenge every global
and skipping shield slams for it
sick sentinel
because, i believe, that something gets out of range because reasons basically
safe thistle
i dont even understand what you type
sick sentinel
or, urh spawns in and then im trying to taunt it, it to get it to me to so i can do a SS or attack on it
safe thistle
its likes speaking of the color blue and you then answere with an apple
sick sentinel
im talking about hitting things with your shield
chrome falcon
if you're not in range to hit something
then press tab
and hit something else
not every global needs to be perfect
just press something
safe thistle
how can they not be in range if you tank
sick sentinel
its something i need to get aggro on on the pull because i don't have ravager lets say and i'm just being bad
sick sentinel
i charged 3 mobs and hit 2 of them, so now im worried about the dude attacking the mage
chrome falcon
it feels like you post logs or ask for help and the response we get every time we suggest is some random story about you not hitting the mobs
this isn't the problem
safe thistle
overthinking
chrome falcon
you wasted three and a half thousand rage
that is the problem
it's right there
in the numbers
you literally could have cast ONE HUNDRED extra ignore pains
with your wasted rage
just cast more ignore pains
internalise the advice you are being given
safe thistle
well he could had casted more if he did more SS 😛
sick sentinel
it won't incurr the GCD if i hit IP? i know that its not on the gcd instant can be cast while other spells are cast
lofty widget
IP is not on the GCD, does not incur the GCD, has nothing to do with the GCD at all
sick sentinel
when you do a shield slam it incurrs the GCD 1.5s
chrome falcon
but you just said you know that IP is off the GCD
so
you already know it doesn't trigger a GCD
so what are you asking
sick sentinel
it won't then use my GCD? i can do an attack before or after it?
sick sentinel
like, same frame basically not same gcd
cinder storm
@sick sentinel Mattacate is right, this is one of those moments where you simply reply with a "yes sir/ma'am", if anything, press more your buttons and when you can't do that then there's where your problem lies.
I went from wasting 1.2k to 400-800 depending on how well I tried to play, there's literally no secret to it, just get angry and press things more.
sick sentinel
well, the good news is im only gunna go crazy till i get this damn KSM mount
thats the sole reason i have returned and no other
then i'll leave you guys alone
cinder storm
That's what many of us said...then you are like, "maybe one key higher"
chrome falcon
I mean if you just want to do 15s that’s fine you clearly don’t need any help for that
cinder storm
If you can fix bad habits early, you won't struggle as much on later stages of your push journey
chrome falcon
But if you implemented the advice we give you in here
Instead of responding with random shit about taxes
You could easily go 20s
vocal geode
spam 
chrome falcon
No look at his logs
sick sentinel
nomer can attest to this, i am extremely stubborn and my dps has been poor since BFA, it's been OKAY overall in some dungeons, but never llke 80k dps TD tank +17 AD or somethin
chrome falcon
He has 15 revenge cpm and 9 SS cpm
Your dps is bad because you don’t listen to advice yogi
Every time anyone says anything you respond with a big paragraph about something totally irrelevant and unrelated
Like you literally just did
topaz field
your dps is surely not bad because you are you 😄 its not inborn to do low dps
chrome falcon
^
topaz field
mb if u had 1 hand
sick sentinel
or bad keybinds
chrome falcon
No!
you seem convinced that your bad dps is just like
an inherent characteristic of your account or something
but i'm telling you two very simple ways to get literally 3-4k more dps every key
press more shield slam
press WAY more IP
that's it
you don't need to overthink it or come up with some excuse why you can't do it
just do those two things and you'll easily be 8-9k dps
sick sentinel
i have a reflect WA and i use that to best of ability too, thats working well
topaz field
u are trolling 😄
chrome falcon
chrome falcon
you read this discord enough to know what i say to literally everyone who posts their logs in here
and what nomer and everyone else says
press IP to dump your excess rage
empty path
you press IP to prevent overcap rage,...period 😄
chrome falcon
every point of rage wasted is a disaster
cinder storm
https://tenor.com/view/computer-rage-head-desk-gif-11924891
That's the way of the warrior.
empty path
this is mine DoS 22 from yesterday, it wasn't flawless run but still it was decent run - resources wise
wooden widget
What’s a good number for cpm on SS?
lofty widget
12-14
sick sentinel
more than 9
wooden widget
Gracias
Biggest reasons for rage capping being horrible are anger management and banner uptime?
Then maybe wasted SS procs?
lofty widget
rage capping is bad cause rage fuels AM and banner yeah, and ofc because rage wasted wasnt spent on revenj
wooden widget
Gotcha
wild hemlock
i really want to log to see my wasted rage
but its like afraid to look in the closet youve been neglecting and need to clean
urban portal
if you dont have the data you'll never learn
chrome falcon
realising you suck is the first and most important step to not sucking
restive sage
is providing irrelevant context from the key to rationalize the sucking the second step
sick sentinel
nop
drifting fable
yes theyre down
undone verge
Are servers down at the moment
It’s looking like 5EST is when blizz expects them to be up
toxic pewter
Ok thanks
robust rover
i really want to log to see my wasted rage
Logs helped me a lot and they still show a major issue for me. I overcap rage on Shield Slams. I'm not aware enough how much rage I generate I guess from a Shield Slam/Outburst. I need to adjust my WA to warn me about rage sooner I think than 60.
Just log everything all the time. I moved my ratio of SS vs TC outbursts because of logs to be only like 3:1 SS:TC, but wouldn't have realized I needed to do that without logs.
wild hemlock
I'm pretty aware and confident in my skill. I just want to see the actual numberss lol
I know I waste rage in some openers
distant crystal
lofty widget
wasting rage is pmuch inevitable. less than 1 % wasted rage is a good number to aim for imo
robust rover
Yeh I'm around 7%...
toxic pewter
How to see my wasted rage
Is there a chance I can see on Warcraftlogs someone else logging
blazing condor
You go to resources > look at the left near the top > rage
Theres a drop down menu
toxic pewter
I divide wasted over gained or wat
lofty widget
wasted/raw gain
toxic pewter
Ok
Looks like I wasted 4%
I gotta get those numbers down
How I see how many thunderclap outburst I did
lofty widget
damage done>at sources aura filter click outburst icon, then scroll down to see how many TC casts you had
toxic pewter
Ok
sick sentinel
plz blizzard haste shield today
i'll do all of the reprisals and SS, do more IP too
sick sentinel
true and real
scenic mural
Letting anyone other than the tank determine route would be miserable
waxen orbit
Why has WoW Twitter been fighting imaginary people for the past like 3 weeks?
sick sentinel
twitter is a bird noise right
or wait, no, thats where i go to bitch at xbox live support when my account gets hacked.
waxen orbit
Like find me a sizable portion of the player base that is actually genuinely quitting WoW because of the social contract and absolutely no other reason
waxen orbit
Fr like no one is quitting over that
sick sentinel
nobody is going to quit over that
you know, what, for most players it will be like a world quest
they will do it, and then still do whatever the fuck they were gunna do anyways
scenic mural
I shall pretend that made sense
sick sentinel
only way would be is it is a 100% unskippable thing, and like with a voice line or something that says don't be delightfully devilish.
toxic pewter
#5 prot warrior in the world not using unnerving focus
sick sentinel
i think that some players are just gunna do the type whatever it tells them to, and then they'll still continue being arseholes
toxic pewter
also #3 https://raider.io/characters/eu/archimonde/Nextback#season=season-sl-3 not using unnerving focus
sick sentinel
he might be right, too much angery
lofty widget
yeah they are stupid
wild hemlock
arent we using tclap in aoe now with the apl update?
on outburst
or am i making shit up
waxen orbit
Def making shit up
sick sentinel
so, i looked at the conduits, and you have to take undulating manoeuvres (monk stagger dot 5% of dmg when your above 80%), and then the inspiring presence to survive some shitty mechanic on a +26 far too many times rally can be handy to count
hazy edge
arent we using tclap in aoe now with the apl update?
It uses TC about every 3 outbursts for the dps but only on 4 or more targets
strong forum
also #3 https://raider.io/characters/eu/archimonde/Nextback#season=season-sl-3 n...
his logs.
🙂
just because hes 3.6k io
doesnt mean hes good 🙂
only 43 avatar casts in 33 minutes
toxic pewter
I’m just so confused
strong forum
🙂
strong forum
just because they bother pushing keys, doesnt mean theyre good at playing their class
toxic pewter
That’s true
toxic pewter
You’re right I have to stop looking at top 50. It’s sort of like a habit I’ve formed
toxic pewter
Wtf…
strong forum
his outburst usage is 50/50 with
chilly brook
literally
pushing high keys
is about knowing the dungeons and playing the dungeons well
dawn canyon
Nerftank angle
strong forum
literally
chilly brook
it's NOT about playing your spec well
chilly brook
you could
toxic pewter
Like they’re not mutually exclusive
chilly brook
Just so confused
just because you play at a high level doesn't mean you play the class at a high level
strong forum
400 dps
toxic pewter
400 for codex actually seems higher than I thought. I guess dps does go higher with higher keys yeah for codex
strong forum
400 is still 100 too little
toxic pewter
Yeah true
strong forum
to even break even
chilly brook
I mean 400 is very unimpressive
toxic pewter
Soleah better in my opinion
chilly brook
considering strength loss
toxic pewter
Or phial
chrome falcon
i'm about to start rygelon prog and i dunno if i want to bother go getting the stupid codex
chilly brook
phial does 400 just from the proc
strong forum
for ryg codex is broken
chilly brook
not even counting the strength
toxic pewter
phial does 400 just from the proc
Is the str from trinkets able to be put into dps or is that too hard to calculate
It’s like sort of hard to gauge depending
strong forum
you lose ~5% str
chilly brook
Is the str from trinkets able to be put into dps or is that too hard to calculat...
you could get a rough estimate from stat weights but eh
toxic pewter
Ya
strong forum
losing 5% str = 5% dmg
toxic pewter
Str so damn strong
toxic pewter
losing 5% str = 5% dmg
Damn wow
chilly brook
stat weights is kinda dumb tho
toxic pewter
Is there anything to be said to run soleah and the stat trinket from raid I forget name at the moment
Just go straight stat trinkets
Seems it would be decent at least they both have str
strong forum
best current trinket combo without counting aegis and so on from SoD
is scale+soleah/elegy
defensively speaking
strong forum
if youre doing 23++
toxic pewter
Interesting
strong forum
i'm about to start rygelon prog and i dunno if i want to bother go getting the s...
matrix is also exceedingly good on ryg
strong forum
chrome falcon
mythic
wild hemlock
Def making shit up
eat shit
chrome falcon
yeah i guess
chrome falcon
i dunno i'm probably going aegis/ows i did way too many street runs to try to get codex i cannot be fucked going back
maybe aegis/matrix
wild hemlock
this is all feelsycraft but does vers effect all tanks pretty equally? its not make or break for any classes? would s4 cater more to warriros and dks? i feel like the highhhh keys will be going vers for survivability of dps while pushing. like i said its all feelsycraft but i feel like vers will be pretty damn good on warriors and dks
strong forum
hard to tell tbh
wild hemlock
hard to tell tbh
i wasnt sure if that was feelsycraft or a statement that just doesnt make sense. like itll prolly effect them all equally but i was judt curious
strong forum
but you can also make a strong argument that we would probably go haste
wild hemlock
no i get that
but i feel like the huge keys will be vers just so the dps survive
i bet 100% 15-25s will run haste
wild hemlock
oh shit
strong forum
everybody can pick for their own stat
wild hemlock
i thought it was whole group gets the same thing
strong forum
no
wild hemlock
thats pretty sick
strong forum
you get vers by default
and if you talk to the npc you can choose which one you wannt
can only choose once and at the beginning of the dungeon ofc
strong forum
was always like that
toxic pewter
Anyone know this weeks affixes
wild hemlock
sotrm bursting
neon vigil
a question i noticed in the armory many players have the ring craftable with jewelcrafting with third stat such as for example +55 avoidance explain to me how it is possible to put this third stat on a craftable object?
sick sentinel
storming is incredibly easy, but incredibly annoying if you do not look at screen like i do
safe thistle
pity me more.
toxic pewter
a question i noticed in the armory many players have the ring craftable with jew...
It’s random as far as I know. Basically have to craft one until a third stat shows up
safe thistle
you can add special effect from ZM though like the speed/mountspeed
sick sentinel
"We dinn't have tornaders here until we started puttin in the traffic circles, cuz on that count of you wanna know why? When people goes round and round about it causes a disturbance in the atmosphere that causes torandoes" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoS-pMWCnvk TL;DR storming
neon vigil
It’s random as far as I know. Basically have to craft one until a third stat sho...
thx mate
toxic pewter
Decently rare too so can be expensive to roll one
safe thistle
just buy them instead of crafdting it if y6ou really want the aditionnal stat
the gear i didnt had as 278 i did m+ until i get speed or avoindance to boost for catalysm
safe thistle
invite your frost dk firend or fury warrior, pally 😛
toxic pewter
Good point
safe thistle
i do stack group at starrt of season to help guildy
toxic pewter
That’s smart
hazy edge
Leech is pretty op for some tanks
urban portal
good on prot pal
sick sentinel
I don't mind avoidance but whatever
urban portal
and sometimes brew
but in general tanks dont do enough damage to pop off hard with it
avoidance only beats AOE damage
shouldnt be standing in those
and raid rot is healers job
toxic pewter
Is leach cloak better than avoidance. A while back people said avoidance is better for cloak
strong forum
leech better for m+
sick sentinel
I mean true and you run out faster if you got speed stat
strong forum
avoidance better for raid
strong forum
but in general tanks dont do enough damage to pop off hard with it
leech shines the most in m+ when youre in the most danger
aka aoe pulls
toxic pewter
Ok gonna move back to leech then
strong forum
and in there having a good amount is quite a thing
10% of 10k dps is still 1k hps extra
toxic pewter
I need more leech
urban portal
like 2/3%
strong forum
if you have nothing else sure
toxic pewter
Is there a cap or something
hazy edge
Also, it's not just damage, it's also healing. So things like Indom get quite a bit stronger with leech
sick sentinel
getting leech avoid speed is all like if you order sundae iceceam and you get sprinkles that aren't listed and the socket is a cherry
sick sentinel
how about also urh effect on trinket yes or no
urban portal
urh doesnt work on trinket
undone verge
For some dumb reason
onyx matrix
gl with tomorrows great vault 😄
onyx matrix
junk 99%
ancient monolith
m+ as necro do I go with marileth?
hazy edge
you go with marileth for all content
pallid quiver
Marileth provides the most utility for Prot Wars in M+, so yeah
ancient monolith
which conduits? Unnerving stand, covenant one, and?
mighty valley
ashen juggernaut usually
stable valve
What is, like a 200dps increase on ~20 keys?
quaint glade
People from US servers have you tried tanking this week?
strong forum
Us isnt up
quaint glade
How is threat buff?
stable valve
Yeah, more impactful for tyr keys I think
quaint glade
Ah 😦
strong forum
and you wont rly notice the threat changes unless you frequently lost aggro
quaint glade
What is, like a 200dps increase on ~20 keys?
Venthyr prot let’s goooo
stable valve
Just wondering because I did a 21 ToP last night on my pwar alt and I think execute was about 1.6k dps for me
quaint glade
and you wont rly notice the threat changes unless you frequently lost aggro
I don’t but I want to know if it will be like in legion for instance
strong forum
well ToP is the dungeon where youll get the most out of execute
naive panther
Threat for me was only early positioning, or tanking on a 220 ilvl alt, in 15 keys.
stable valve
well ToP is *the* dungeon where youll get the most out of execute
Oh yeah 100%, it’s like the best dungeon for pwar.
strong forum
its also moreso that you have 5 bosses and very little trash
sick sentinel
what makes TOP special to us
strong forum
so execute is gonna be alot bigger in comparison
strong forum
what makes TOP special to us
small pulls, mostly physical dmg, and reflect
sick sentinel
1st boss venthyr top could be fun, pretend we are fury spec with all those condemns going off
strong forum
venthyr gets worse the more targets there are
and since youll be cleaving down all 3 bosses, youll not get alot of milage out of condemn
mighty valley
buff condemn 50% cowards
strong forum
and revert the condemn conduit nerf
small sphinx
hi! I'm getting into tanking 20s as prot, which talent should I take between Booming Voice and Best Served Cold?
strong forum
personal pref
bsc is more damage overall
BV is more boss dmg and easier banner management
shut summit
small sphinx
Prot owns
I'm loving tanking on prot so much, but I'm still learning tbh
Mainly in cds management and general play, I've always played dps since I started 2 years ago
shell shale
This tier is a ton of fun for tanks imo. We feel really good defensively and dmg wise. At least compared to last few seasons. And the op DPS tend to have massive aoe dmg all the time (destro and surv) so you almost never feel bad about doing big pulls
toxic pewter
If I already have 278 weapon and shield you guys think I should open vault as dps spec
safe thistle
well tank are the most balanced i saw.
if you dont mind missing on a scale 278 ya sure, i do the same i open as arms
toxic pewter
I have 272 scale… 278 would be good I suppose…
Didn’t think of that one
Then again I’d be happy with a 278 phial or 278 soleah or somethin
sick sentinel
theres almost no item i can get out of this box that will be a pure downgrade
toxic pewter
i would love to get a weapon to tryt fury i only have 1, 2h weapon
Same actually I need another 2h
safe thistle
valor uncapped i will upgrade one to 272 from dungeon but if i get one off vault would be nice, just dropped my first yesterday after months
safe thistle
i never do pvp im a rager in that hahaha
safe thistle
i cant stand losing control of my pcharacter
toxic pewter
Our shield slam still hits hard even after the nerf
Ya pvp has so much cc
It’s annoying as hell
safe thistle
even as prot i bet we can get destroy quick dmg scaled crazy with tier
safe thistle
depend if you cant hit to get rage cause of slow/cc / outplayed haha
i know i suck at pvp so i just dont do it theres way too much ability to track now.
i have shattering blow on my bar though for some dungeon 😛
toxic pewter
Yah I use it in some dungeons too
median tulip
Hakkar, Nalthor
sick sentinel
does x3 to shielded mobs like spires goliath
mint pike
My guild needs me to tank heroic last 4 bosses tonight. I usually just tank 15-16 keys as kyrian with reprisal, should I go Necro and get the Wall?
chrome falcon
go necro, wall not necessarily
hardy ridge
My guild needs me to tank heroic last 4 bosses tonight. I usually just tank 15-1...
Just play what ur comfortable with but necro reprisal is the play, the wall on lords of dread
mint pike
Ok thanks. I haven't raid tanked in a long time lol
lofty widget
id still play rep on lords tbh
safe thistle
spear is pretty good on jailor mc
you can play anything anyaway as prot
the wall is ncie on rygelon too so you have it for every orb soak but if your confident you can take them without it, up to you.
ehhh
i think it can be up without the wall sorry
safe thistle
lol
just did skolex mythic and using the swarm trinket i completely topped myself after a rifmaw,rend, with no cd but SR
i think its not a bad trinket but 3 mintues is long
toxic pewter
execute go burrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
sick sentinel
patiently waiting
sick sentinel
prot excute buff ftw
this + 18% or +25% threat all tank specs, whichever it turns out to be.
toxic pewter
18% increase in threat
sick sentinel
so, it might really be a wednesday vault lol, just about called it a box
toxic pewter
Dark ranger elf customization
toxic pewter
No they still down.
Have to realize they’re pushing an update that changes the intricacies of how the game is played to its core for the last 18 years. It’s probably complicated as hell to push to live servers.
I’m worried they found a last minute bug or something and causing these delays. Hoping all is ok
sick sentinel
I need get big pp shield maximum haste from vault
toxic pewter
Have a feeling another delay coming
sick sentinel
im just telling you somethin fuckin nuts is gunna happen tonight horde and ally working together
some bug
sick sentinel
no keys tonight until tomorrow when addondevs have chance to respond to 9.2.5 patch lol
toxic pewter
Is Viscera of coalesched hatred any good? got 278 one.. gross..
hardy ridge
That ring is huge
sick sentinel
That ring is huge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5AkIfgioA4, also that time nome got 3 rings same vault 278 lolol
waxen orbit
Vers
west kayak
Are you supposed to be able to get "Set" pieces from the Vault? One of my options is the set hands...
waxen orbit
Yes
sick sentinel
im a versa nerd now IG, +18.20% versa
old flame
thoughts? I'm leaning wep. is Elegy even okay?
toxic pewter
do u need weapon
sick sentinel
then u most likely want that weapon
thats +damage, can't get from other slots, my weapon is 272 mists axes
old flame
Elegy is pretty bad yes?
sick sentinel
i can't speak on raid trinkets, im not a raider, i'd wait on somebody who is or ctrl F : elegy
urban portal
thoughts? I'm leaning wep. is Elegy even okay?
weapon>>>>elegy
weapon is huge
elegy is not a bad trinket
but weapon is the most important slot on any character
old flame
true, and at 278 it's a done slot
sick sentinel
poorly stat'd weapon, but "it will do"
old flame
more stats> perfect stats
urban portal
its not poorly statted
its got the best 2 stats in the game
strength and weapon dps
what else do you want
sick sentinel
avoidance and a socket 🙂
urban portal
cant get socket on weapon
old flame
if only weps could have sockets...
urban portal
avoidance is not that good for tanks, it only avoids dodgable damage and raid rot
its cool but not amazing
if it avoided autos as well it would be insane
sick sentinel
sure but that's just a silly idea anyway avoidance works on melee just a shame that it doesn't have same power lvl other 2 options, can't say there is any m+ dungeon I can think of that avoidance excels at like fort weeks
but speed and leech both have a staying power that's easy to notice , more universally applicable to tanks than avoid
waxen orbit
Little homemade Irish coffee to celebrate the grand new opportunity to brick Horde keys
cinder nova
Pound a growler if FML.
Do it in 30s.
inb4 Horde never uses xfaction 
I can feel it now. In the same way that US players sketch over OCE realms in LFG, Horde will be discriminatory to A in LFG
ocean yoke
god damn there are so many more keys lol
safe thistle
io wouldnt mind a night elf healer thant can shadowmend to save count and rez if theres a fuck up 😛
mighty egret
tfw actually good racials
shut summit
dorf dorf
mighty egret
doorf hype
toxic pewter
dwarf or dark iron dwarf? I sort of want the 4% movement speed indoors lol
and the mole machine is cool XD
I passed on 278 viscera or coalesced hatred trinket for a 278 stichflesh misplaced signet... did i make the right move? I dont really like that trinket
mighty egret
cool wep mogs for DiD
urban portal
I passed on 278 viscera or coalesced hatred trinket for a 278 stichflesh misplac...
the ring is borderline bis yeah
viscera is whatever
toxic pewter
ya Ok cool
hushed cobalt
if only it was somehow better 😦
pallid quiver
im currently using one for the sheer strength since i have yet to take the time to farm for, like, actual trinkets
i didn't even bother keybinding it
toxic pewter
if only it was somehow better 😦
lol wtf is that slowed by 50% nonsense holy crap
thats how to make a bad trinket even worse XD
urban portal
it needs to be increased by like
7.5k
to be good
or should be on a 30 second cd
ngl
the hps isnt bad
238 hps
if it was buffed by like 50% or so it would be actually decent
slow will still kill you though
potent anvil
Can't be slowed if you have banner 
urban portal
is stoneheart actually op
potent anvil
Dunno, I have one. I'm gonna level it to 272
toxic pewter
Can't be slowed if you have banner <:garms:917120195527598201>
damn thats actually good point
makes it a lot more attractive
pallid quiver
you should still be slowed to only 100% though, right?
Since it does also tie a move speed buff to it
potent anvil
Yeah, but that's just normal speed
pallid quiver
But that's slow speed (I just don't think it's worth the effort for me to think about pressing since I'm mostly focusing on hitting +15s or lower at the moment until my gear gets fleshed out, so I've just never been in any realistic threat of dying)
potent anvil
Yeah, I run two speed gems, so ontop of banner I'm zooming at like 144% or something
toxic pewter
thats actually legit lmao
urban portal
the problem is that its not life saving HPS
toxic pewter
would that stack with dark iron dwarf
pallid quiver
If I were Alliance, I'd play Dwarf, but it's not even for performance
mighty valley
i'm short in real life, don't need to do it in computer games
potent anvil
urban portal
isnt DID just better than regular dwarf
or am i missing something
the 10% physical dr is weak compared to main stat
DID also gets a passive 2%
hazy edge
They're personal preference
potent anvil
Yeah, negligible differences. DID is more offensive, I suppose. Dwarves do get 2% crit dmg so there's that.
DID gets 1% passive, isnt it? I forget.
I'd go DID just for the indoor movespeed
More speed 🏃♂️💨
toxic pewter
DID gets 1% passive, isnt it? I forget.
yah 1% to physical damage
i think the movement speed is really attractive actually
potent anvil
Yeah, DID is imo the better dwarf, but for m+ concerns they both operate similarly. Debuff removal
waxen orbit
Could've done more
But fucked up some banners in Ardenweald
Not bad for a 2 chested 23
potent anvil
Dwarf or DID?
ionic fern
Probably DID for movement speed.
Tho Dwarf is more damage unless you can reliably remove debuffs.
👀
But still..DID..i'm a sucker for my BRF set.
And it goes well with the flaming beard..
potent anvil
Probably DID for movement speed.
Tho Dwarf is more damage unless you can reliabl...
Are all dungeons considered indoor?
onyx vessel
potent anvil
potent anvil
gilded wing
toxic pewter
I take it raider IO score does not transfer if i switch factions, right?
sweet summit
why would it not
cinder nova
Bonegrinder? 🤔
waxen orbit
Naw
cinder nova
Not bad
cinder nova
I'm going full smoothbrain and taking Sigil/Chains to keys
cinder nova
Unironically did a shitload of damage
Oblit DK is doing some pretty whack damage.
urban portal
Something like 700 DPS overall
You also lost almost 800-900 dps from not having main stat
That’s the main issue
The trinket isn’t horrible, it’s just that you have no main stat
strong forum
Thing you gotta consider aswell is that you lose actually closer to 6.5% of your dmg cuz banner increasing Str
potent anvil
What are bis dps trinkets nowadays? I just use ows and phial in keys.
strong forum
Phial, FC and uuuuuuuuuhhm sigil/iqd for raid
urban portal
Else nothing else to run
strong forum
Soleahs/elegy is also fine
urban portal
Oh yeah funny fc
potent anvil