i play pvp so i have to use glasses 
#protection
onyx matrix
its bulky af
safe thistle
on vulpera its the only helm that doesnt look fucked
onyx matrix
I mean I dig the set
works good with blackrock bulwark
just not sure with 1h
flail? idk
safe thistle
i use flail or a mace
onyx matrix
just not sure which mace that works with that set
dawn canyon
this is the budget shield for it imo
strong forum
Very budget
onyx matrix
xD!
safe thistle
i like decaying draenic shield
safe thistle
sword breaker is still the biggest shield in game >
onyx matrix
I have a feeling the scale of the earthwarder shield is (deathwing) skin that is
dawn canyon
the suramar shield is also huge
safe thistle
yah its long but thinner
scale is pretty egal in size with sword breaker true
bigger on some appearance
when will we get a dual shield spec
onyx matrix
would be fun
quaint glade
the suramar shield is also huge
Hey that is only for the Nightborne!!!
I wish they added the Spellbreaker shields too ffs
My wc3 spellbreaker dream would come true
sick sentinel
in not going to try to over think 17 spires last night besides that group or shaman couldn't keep up with orbs phase of boss 3
sick sentinel
3 spires
dawn canyon
oriph
scenic mural
Grab orbs. Press shield wall. Prosper
ionic fern
Oh, thought you're talking about explosives.
sick sentinel
one wipe on 2 because I saw a by spawn in and got confused why it spawned got hit with blind in confusiob
the by was me apparently attacking vy relic
was just one of them doomed keys from the start, you could just tell
strong meteor
Guys do you advice any plater profile? Im using luckyone (elvui, wa and plater) but the plater i donโt like itโฆ
lofty widget
my advice would be find out what you dont like about it and change it yourself
the best plater is usually one you made yourself
strong meteor
The problem is that i donโt tank since early legion and still have my brain setup to dpsโฆ but i will do that ty ๐๐ผ๐๐ผ๐๐ผ
sick sentinel
I don't know where I got it but I downloaded a profile for plater that makes casters in m+ go bar purple, dark red for cleave and stop light colors for aggro warning
sick sentinel
Oh, thought you're talking about explosives.
explosives shouldnt be much of an issue on spires boss 3 I'd imagine cuz it's only 1 mob to spawn em
sick sentinel
shaman was saying to do the line stack and not have the blue orbs come in 2 lines but I didn't think that mattered much just like I do 70% orbs and then group does 30% if they have Dr or one will hit
jagged pier
its a healer job
chrome falcon
Soaking orbs on third boss?
I wish I could make my healer do those but uh
Not talking about explosive orbs
sick sentinel
hmm I thought so, but I did the orbs first time and went low die to melee, I can try again
chrome falcon
Yeah if you died to those orbs on 17 then you used CDs wrong
Or didnโt use them at all
Thatโs ez to live
safe thistle
you soak them you wanna put the 2 pack enough far so stack fade between
chrome falcon
No
Thatโs bad too
Itโs very simple you just make a line of them and soak them all asap
Then slam CDs and itโs chill
No need to overcomplicaye
sick sentinel
I believe we wasn't ready was part of it or like I was trying to do small flesh craft if bunch was coming 1 direction
chrome falcon
You just use DS+IP while youโre picking the orbs up
Then when you have them all
You shield wall
And fleshcraft if you need
safe thistle
its the dot part that hurt anyway
chrome falcon
They should all come from the same direction
jagged pier
Soaking orbs on third boss?
they were talking about explosives
3rd boss orbs should be your job but in pugs ppl seem to soak them anyway
so i let them do it
sick sentinel
I won't do it... but emeni could possibly be good for that fight move while fc
sick sentinel
in not sure how you garuntee leap out is ready for each of the stacks but the all 5 stacks exact same xy pixel is scary to me, been one shot too many times and save leap
go left or right of group when I do it as well so I'm not on someone else's path
sick sentinel
oh well shitty pug falls apart on +17 back to the weather room and more at 11
safe thistle
its not the pugs
it was all on you there
learn and dont repeat same mistake
youll get beter
sick sentinel
I did 2 other runs of spires this week, 1 was a 16 2 chest
I can't recall the other one
15 1 chest the day beforw
safe thistle
and still screw up can happen thats how it is.
sick sentinel
but like I got 3 keys fort that have no score at all
so ksm easy, then I can give it a rest or a while
safe thistle
if you do 17 you should have ksm
sick sentinel
just 150 points, that's like those 3 keys 15 in times alone
well, my key now is still spires 16 and I'll likely push it again try to see if age drops and if if changes to a key I still need on tyr
chrome falcon
in not sure how you garuntee leap out is ready for each of the stacks but the al...
I donโt understand what youโre referring to here
Do you mean when you have to stack to place the orbs
Because you donโt need leap for that
You can just walk there or use intervene if you really have to
sick sentinel
seems to me that you can line the first 2 white swirls with heroic leap, i run bounding for that makes it 30 instead of 45
sick sentinel
white swirl that turns into an orb 3rd boss spires oryprian
safe thistle
yah but group is supossed to be stacked behind boss
sick sentinel
its a white swirl effect below you before it turns blue
sick sentinel
hmm, well on the 15 i had a paladin, so, they probably did that im betting with bubble, on the 16 i see Rsham mage dh rogue, maybe rogue can get a few with cloak, dunno anymore had rogue 2 varieties both times
ionic fern
Any time when in a PuG assume that you are the only one doing those orbs.
If someone else soaks some..great..but still be in the position to grab them.
strong meteor
Guys best way to learn routes? Im dpsing for so long that im not use to command the routeโฆ
strong meteor
Doing the dungeon.
๐๐๐
ionic fern
That's honestly about it.
You can grab some initial routes from R.io (tho some of them are....weird)..or create your own using MDT and then just make a screenshot from it and hold it up on the second monitor (if you have it).
You can also run some lower keys..e.g +5s where you don't have to think about survivability just to get the routes down. You will honestly remember them quite fast.
safe thistle
if your dps you did the dungeon enough time to see the tank route
strong meteor
You can also run some lower keys..e.g +5s where you don't have to think about su...
Well i still have to wory about that since my prot is a new char ๐ฌ๐ฌ๐ฌ
ionic fern
if your dps you did the dungeon enough time to see the tank route
I couldn't remember another tanks route if i DPS'ed even if my life depended on it.
All i remember from keys that i DPS is that "SHIT TANK PULLING SO LITTLE AND NOT AROUND MY CD'S!"
safe thistle
eurg
๐ฌ
wow new kleyboard my cat got on my desk and already all the rgb doesnt work he pressed something with his freaking paw
ionic fern
Your cat got you a new keyboard?
That's sick.
All mine does is wakes me up at night.
safe thistle
mine always go in front of my screen during a big pull in m+
always when needed the most
sick sentinel
someone in wow chat "p-pally can do both waves of those orbs" well.. that involves me switching to p-pally for one...
safe thistle
you can do both wave too
ionic fern
So can you. 
chrome falcon
Those orbs are not hard at all
wooden widget
How many sets of emypreal ordinance are you getting per recharge @sick sentinel
Cuz it should be two
Two sets are very easiliy lined up and soaked by the tank. Dps should always stay on boss for that phase. A hpal might wanna soak and then bubble the dot but donโt expect a dps to get them
Stand on boss while itโs recharging. Keep up ur rotation to generate rage and spend on IP. Orbs all hit you in the back and then once you got the dot rolling use a defensive
lofty widget
that goes for any boss.. if its execute phase, all mechanics go out the window
wooden widget
True if itโs execute time and healer is breathing go hambone
strong meteor
All i remember from keys that i DPS is that "SHIT TANK PULLING SO LITTLE AND NOT...
Well i have a okeish know how of the route while dpsing but i can record all the packs the tanks pull. Im more worry to cc and dps the packs down ๐๐๐
And dont make me start talking about skips and percentages ๐ ๐ ๐
dawn canyon
Kill what's on your path and that's usually enough
strong meteor
Well probably its me making a big deal about this ๐๐๐
jagged pier
u r
dawn canyon
Yea just run where you went as dps
strong meteor
Ty im more relief about that part them
jagged pier
routes skips and ccs literally do not matter till like 24
i literally have timed 21s but pressing W ๐
strong meteor
routes skips and ccs literally do not matter till like 24
Nice, since im a casual player i dont have to bother with that part ๐๐ผ๐๐ผ๐๐ผ
Btw how do you now what spells we can reflect?? Do you memorise it or do you have an wa or addon for that???
lofty widget
theres an SR sheet in the pins will all reflectable/blockable spells
you end up just remembering a lot of them, pretty much any targeted magic ability on you is reflectable for instance
safe thistle
spell reflect will work on everything though for the dmg reduction just not reflect some other
chain doing thorast for the burnished greatsword.... eurk
strong meteor
Ty for help ๐ช๐ผ๐ช๐ผ
sick sentinel
turns out can't be carried through a mechanic I have to do that I didn't bring the direct answer against
on a higher dif, who coulda seen that coming.. everyone? ah shit
wooden widget
That mechanic relies on your dps placing swirlies well too tho. But yes the brunt of the responsibility is on you to soak and mitigate during recharge. Cuz you want your group blasting.
chrome falcon
you don't need to "bring" an answer to it
you don't need to overthink it
there are balls
run into them
and press CDs
wooden widget
^^
uncut notch
Is secret technique really better than OWS
I really cant see it
3 ticks of OWS is equal to the buff of technique
and it goes to 5
lofty widget
well OWS is conditional in taht you need to actually keep the stacks up
if you can do that then yea its better
chrome falcon
strength.
lofty widget
well yeah dont go using a LFR OWS over a 278 technique
coulddrop some ilvl for ows tho
chrome falcon
yeah i'm still using OWS
topaz field
@sick sentinel what is really important to understand in terms of the soak mechanic on boss 3 in spires is that the debuff is stacking... that means u dont want to blow all your good stuff during low stacks.. it will hurt the most once u collected all balls (10) and also when the phase is actually over u still carry the debuff for a few seconds while the boss also melee swings you... remember to keep up shieldblock for that time again since he will hit you in the face and u have a magic debuff on yourself
sick sentinel
i have a 278 scale that can do 59k absorb on that phase maybe
chrome falcon
sure scale is fine for that too
topaz field
yes but your should also be able to soak without a lot of healing attention until your reach really high keys
since it is pure magic dmg your want to smoothen your incoming dmg
if you press reflect early you should get it back late for another dr
press ip and demo shout and if you press shieldwall you are super fine
but i have to agree it can be kinda annoying to have pug healer being surprised everytime a tank takes dmg, there are certain mechanics that will simply hurt
woeful bramble
do you think prot is gonna be more desirable at s4??
chrome falcon
prot is already strong
whether we're "desirable" is a matter of whether the wow playerbase manages to think for themselves long enough to realise that
(so no, probably not)
strong forum
Nothing will really change
woeful bramble
prot is already strong
i know prot is strong but many players follow the sites and not the facts and that is a bit sad
topaz field
prot is not that strong if you compare it to other tanks
but its also not bad
but if rogue becomes meta and ww stays as it is right now prot becomes quite desirable
lofty widget
except the tank meta isnt dependant on what dps is good
otherwise wouldnt vdh be at the top atm?
chrome falcon
aren't the chinese teams absolutely godawful
topaz field
but ye ofc bdk is meta because it does double the dmg of any other tanks
topaz field
aren't the chinese teams absolutely godawful
absolutely not sir
lofty widget
thats a stretch
chrome falcon
all i know about chinese teams is that one of their MDI final rounds literally got cancelled because neither team could do the key
strong forum
They have a few good push teams
But mdi they hardly care about
They have 1 maybe 2 good teams for mdi
It's not that popular for them
topaz field
all i know about chinese teams is that one of their MDI final rounds literally g...
highest keys atm timed by china
lofty widget
didnt aster disband as well, was kinda the top china team?
strong forum
In S1 or so half of the teams got banned mid mdi
So half of them won by default
And 1 team only had to play 1 match to get into finals
And yeah aster did disband
sick sentinel
prot is fine, but the prot playing has to play fine, and the group has to have basic understanding of how the prot works and try to accomodate if possible, more than dk or p-pal say
strong forum
Cuz who'd've guessed that slapping a team of 3/4 mixed guilds together to force them to play
Only for money and with the pressure in the back to achieve high ranks is not a good idea?
dawn canyon
all i know about chinese teams is that one of their MDI final rounds literally g...
the legendary double deplete
sick sentinel
yes, i am very much for keeping the deplete, but i think depleted should be you giga fucked up the key and its 50% more of the timer than dungeon
like, 30 + 15 = 45m for mists
strong forum
Depleting doesn't add anything to the game
sick sentinel
if you take 45 minutes to complete the key, THEN it depletes
its the necessary evil,
chrome falcon
no
depleting was a terrible system
it was only in the game for 1 patch for a reason
sick sentinel
if you fuck up, you get punished and sent back, just like old nintendo games arcade
i agree with this
strong forum
Issue is its a group that fucks up, not you on your own
chrome falcon
oh you're not talking about depleting sorry
strong forum
If somebody else fucks it up for you
chrome falcon
i thought you meant like the actual depleting system from legion instead of just failing the key
strong forum
Then that creates a huge level of toxicity
sick sentinel
well, key stone go down, is what i mean by depelete
strong forum
Failing the key is already punishment enough
Why should you then be forced to do a lower level key, just to get back to where you were
Makes no sense
You always say you don't wanna fuck up someone else's key and waste their time and feel bad about it
Adding more punishment to depleting ain't gonna help that
dawn canyon
what happened after uldir
sick sentinel
i definitely completed LFR nathria many times past 3 boss, dunno why it says otherwise
dawn canyon
or is ulduir tmog farming
echo egret
@shut summit On one of your videos, there is a buff bar that you can click to close, with check marks to be sure you don't forget anything. Is that an addon or a sharable weakaura ?
sick sentinel
after i killed deathwing on LFR on my rogue, and then i got to i think spine in a normal pug "I beat the game, i won", i didn't have the 2 legendary daggers but i figured that would never happen
so i quit all of wod legion
i did some of mists, but i didn't like mists all that much, i didn't do the final tier of raids on that expansion
shut summit
Exorsus raid tools ready check pop-up I think
Or method raid tools or w.e it's called now
sick sentinel
what i use is marking bar, and it has 2 click world markers and 1 click unit icons, makes manual marking fast. includes a "i will use moon for sheep, trignle for trap", ready check
tried some other more advanced raid one that checked all kinds of stuff like food flask buffs, but thats like if youre actual raid leader
echo egret
ok thanks
idle mortar
Is there a way in logs to see how much ignore pain was wasted due to buff falling off/overcapping? I get itโs not super important, just interested
strong forum
no
idle mortar
ty
light spear
learning to tank but I was taught through pvp to literally unbind back pedal and only strafe. Do I need to back pedal as PVE tank or can strafe get me through everything? I see high rated M+ tanks backpedaling (I have gone over 10 years of using "S" as a keybind for other things!)
jagged pier
u can do ither its preference
grave crane
I did the same thing when I started raid tanking in nathria. I found it helped to use backpedal you could just strafe j guess
light spear
thank you, worried it would expose my back too much
topaz field
dont be lazy and use proper keybinds
grave crane
Youโll really notice it when you do
strong forum
ive also played without backpedal for 10+ years cuz of pvp
jagged pier
and i've always had backpedal bound ๐คท
strong forum
only when i started raid tanking i rebound it cuz sometimes you only want to move a mob like 1yard backwards
light spear
Not lazy though for sure lol it gives me more options! But I will start unlearning
strong forum
and doing that with strafing is possible but takes longer and can fuckup slightly
light spear
That makes sense
topaz field
like scribes in sanguine deaths
or the guy before last boss in pf
all pug tanks i see are literally not getting the idea how they work
u only have to backpedal slowly
light spear
Taking notes!
strong forum
all you have to do is be close to them just barely outside of melee range
they can walk at normal speeds but gotta be at a very specific distance
sick sentinel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jb9Ebe_rA8M
malders in my +16 spires because "i'm pulling way too incredibly slow and so bad tank, not putting bird with the boss nope? okay i'm leaving mid boss" wah wah,
yeah, okay, i really wanna help you guys out and do mechanics when i'm being berated from first pull, jesus
๐
sick sentinel
yeah you're correct on that one, but for 3 whole minutes every second they are just bitching and moaning berating..... no fuckin way....
chrome falcon
first boss spires
sick sentinel
im out
distant crystal
i'm still drawing a blank lol
chrome falcon
the first boss
of spires
there's a boss
that has a bird
you pull the boss to the bird
distant crystal
ohh just like, the other boss
sick sentinel
first boss of spires is a 2 boss, shared HP, ones a bird, and ironically, i might add, she goes up and flies around, while the bird sits on the ground
distant crystal
i was thinking a trash mob or something
sick sentinel
you are supposed to put them all together for dps to cleave, but by this point i was just doing whatever i wanted because dps was furious about nothing
chrome falcon
maybe they were furious because you were doing stuff wrong
like not tanking the bosses together
like sure they're shitty for flaming you
sick sentinel
"you can pull this whole room in 1 pull"
chrome falcon
you can
sick sentinel
i mean, yes,
he's right, that's not what i'm into, if im doing 22's or some shit that i do have to like tax form calculator every pull, sure, i'll look into what it takes to make a pull like that
chrome falcon
you just pull the mobs and they all die because it's a 16
like i'm not defending them flaming but if you're going to pug, the only thing you can control is what you do but if you're doing easy double pulls one at a time then people are just gonna leave for a quicker key
which is shitty but also not remotely surprising
sick sentinel
don't get me wrong niether right, like i absolutely understand the philosphy of you gotta pratice playing ball like your an all star with your buddy at 10 pm at the field all day long if you want to be a baseball expert
chrome falcon
you're vastly overestimating the difficulty of pulling two packs at once
at the *start * of the key
when everyone has every CD
this is not some high level elite 22+ strategy
this is what literally everyone does
so if you don't do it people are going to be confused and annoyed
sick sentinel
2 packs yes, i know how to do it, it just has a higher probability that someone will panic and die in pugs is what i find
you have to be mounted and use a taunt or throw on the back and go to the grouped LOS and wait with jeparody music for like 10 seconds for them to get down the mini stairs and up to the pillar, then tyou kill it
yes, i'm super familiar with it, on paper and in reality situation
chrome falcon
why do you have to be mounted
like do your key however you want, but don't be surprised when people don't understand why you're doing shit really slowly
sick sentinel
because if you don't you have to bounding to get the movement speed required, or a charge + throw
mount you just run past, throw and then go hide
chrome falcon
you literally just charge into the first pack, taunt the second pack then go into los
and then challenging shout when they get in range
sick sentinel
the giant will collapse with that pull and then its alot of interrupts for the group
players doing the LOS can't poke early to set up a dot or something because then the casters start to free cast, locking their location, this pulls giant, or can lead to it
thus i think it is an overly complex pull and don't opt for it now
chrome falcon
then you're wasting your groups full CD opener and people are going to get annoyed ๐คทโโ๏ธ you should use the keys you're doing now to learn how to do these pulls so you can go higher
and if you're going for KSM you should try to do the key faster because you get more points
sick sentinel
distant crystal
Nobody really does that LOS at the beginning anymore
Just run in and kick things in range, and have kickers for the goliath
ocean yoke
you can los farther in too
distant crystal
I'm not even sure if the casters will chain cast, I think they have CD
so they'll just cast twice then run in
sick sentinel
well, mr giant, right, he pats to the end of the blue line
distant crystal
most people pull him with the first pull
blazing condor
why you got 3 notes for one pull
sick sentinel
2 of them have nothing on it, simple visual notations, for clarity
and thats the order as well, team hides, you go, you come back till it los, you kill it
if i did that pull i could then do giant +3 top of the stairs
ocean yoke
if you really want to do the first 2 los you can just do it at the circle i put without pulling goliath
sick sentinel
ran the 15 after words anyways, nothing worth talking about, including lack of afe
mighty valley
I fell asleep before you did your math here, but in most realistic situations, especially this patch, you HAVE to spend the rage off GCD or else overcap, so your choice is more often SB to avoid over capping charges, or yet another IP, it's not really competing with two revenges. Plus the gaps in tanking right now aren't usually long enough to where you wouldn't get any defensive value out of the SB uptime anyway
waxen orbit
This is the greatest compliment a prot warrior can receive
โI feel like I need to pop some adderall [to watch Thwumpโs stream]โ
chrome falcon
w-
sick sentinel
you caught taht too eh
median tulip
ugh, people in theatre of pain who just cannot seem to understand "stack to stop the jumps"
chrome falcon
that's
mighty valley
damn... more than one a second... the dream...
sick sentinel
WWWWWW sorry i cant hear u over the sound of me holding WWW for WWWinn
waxen orbit
I am fast as hell
paper mirage
shield slam > Revenge procs?
waxen orbit
Why not both?
chrome falcon
yes
toxic pewter
shield slam on cooldown
mighty valley
shield slam > *
sick sentinel
I am fast as hell
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMa9Iot1Ves I am speed
paper mirage
ty
chrome falcon
these young'uns man
don't remember the days when you had to have 80 apm playing sc2 to beat some silver shitter 4gating you
sick sentinel
zoomers omegalul
toxic pewter
i member
waxen orbit
Every WoW player needs to experience 80+ APM at one point or another
distant crystal
80apm in sc2 is like bronze league
waxen orbit
SC2 requires godlike APM
My autistic ass could never multitask enough to be good at that shit LMAO
chrome falcon
that's why sc2 died because everyone got scared and tired of apm and went to go play league instead
waxen orbit
But thatโs not how SC2 works
distant crystal
and box selecting, control groups
chrome falcon
seriously though if you have less than 60 apm as prot
distant crystal
camera keybinds if you're really sweaty
chrome falcon
you're totally fucked
distant crystal
i've lost a lot of sleep hours watching GSL at 4am lol
waxen orbit
Like watching Professor Xavier
chrome falcon
i'll never forget idra conceding to a hallucinated army
distant crystal
YOU WEREN'T LOST
waxen orbit
TOPKEK
ocean yoke
iconic
distant crystal
THEY WERE HALLU
fuck you!
i still follow HuK on twitter lol
that was a big brain tactic though
hallucinate a bunch of voidrays and pretend you tech switched
sick sentinel
no god damn clue how i did it the first time but i somehow, because this is me, i know i did, i caused him to floor POV that boss and the second boss because i let myself get blinded, let this poor dk floor POV 2 bosses in 15 anyways
livid shard
Hey,
I was wondering if there are certain thresholds where IP becomes better than SB and the other way around. Is it always depending on the dmg type (so most dmg physical I user SB > IP and magic IP > SB) or also dependant on the damage taken (e.g. I am about to take a single 100k hit so I SB vs I will take 5x 10k hits so I IP). Would appreciate some help!! Thanks
mighty valley
It's simple - if you're taking any blockable damage you want SB up
sick sentinel
i know exactly how that fight works, but i targeted wo or vy or some shit, so it came out and its not urh and im stunnlocked thinking WTF why it not urh?
chrome falcon
Hey,
I was wondering if there are certain thresholds where IP becomes better th...
keep SB up if something is meleeing you and use IP to stop yourself capping rage
that's like 80% of playing prot warrior right there
don't treat IP as mitigation really it's just there to spend excess rage
blazing condor
if you take pure magic damage you can use IP
but you never really ever do that
cus white hits are still blockable
distant crystal
if you're really taking the PP you can trade some revenj for IP
hardy ridge
don't treat IP as mitigation really it's just there to spend excess rage
Idk sometimes capping ip can save using a cd like on skollex frontal or jailer phase 2 swap + reflect ofc
If youre healthy
chrome falcon
Idk sometimes capping ip can save using a cd like on skollex frontal or jailer p...
yeah and you'll be capped there anyway probably
median tulip
I don't think I've ever had IP expire since I switched to Necrolord
In a fight, that is
wooden widget
Can anyone type out what an opener on a 5 pack would look like? I am gonna do some practice dummies after work
I know itโs probably different throughout a dungeon slightly
But a general idea would help me a lot
sick sentinel
I don't think I've ever had IP expire since I switched to Necrolord
change that to seeing red and outburst and that's my experience
that buff never goes away it seems
hardy ridge
yeah and you'll be capped there anyway probably
Not always, the bleed will eat at your ip on skollex or even worse on jailer when ur standing on the desecrated ground that will ear your ip and you have nothing to hit so its good to go with a full rage bar if you want to avoid using a cd (on heroic jailer atleast, prolly beed a dr everytime on mythic but not there yet so idk)
chrome falcon
yeah sure i'm not saying like "never press IP for mitigation it does nothing"
but people shouldn't be tracking their IPs and going for 100% uptime or something
just press it to dump rage, if you need it to mitigate it'll be really really obvious
chrome falcon
Can anyone type out what an opener on a 5 pack would look like? I am gonna do so...
for me it's charge SS revenge then go from there
you can revenge first if your dps is horny but SS first is better rage gen
hardy ridge
Oh yeah for sure, im just saying although most often ip is not used as mitigation, there are definitely situations where it is
wooden widget
Okay and with avatar and banner both up you wanna lead with banner? Precharge even?
chrome falcon
well avatar is off GCD and banner isn't
but yeah i banner before or during the charge
it lasts 1 minute plus so wasting a second of it before the pull is irrelevant compared to holding threat
wooden widget
Gotcha
hardy ridge
Okay and with avatar and banner both up you wanna lead with banner? Precharge ev...
You can
Charge > ravager + avatar + banner > rotation
wooden widget
Ah yeah itโs a lotta gen
hardy ridge
Youll be dumping a lot of rage on pull, try not to overcap
wooden widget
Does the outburst from avatar kinda waste the rage from charge and ravaged tho
Ok yeah thatโs what Iโm imagining
hardy ridge
No the seeing red can keep stacking even with an outburst proc
wooden widget
Ooooh
Hell yeah
Ok Iโm less worried about opener now ty!
Oh shit thatโs wild
hardy ridge
Ye i suggest you track seeing red and outburst, i think theres a pin for that weakaura
chrome falcon
Does the outburst from avatar kinda waste the rage from charge and ravaged tho
yes whenever i'm pulling with charge and i have avatar up i slam 2 IPs
charge+avatar+SS is 115 rage
not counting banner, base rage gen, and potential ravager
mighty valley
another reason to SS first because if you wait another gcd it's v possible you overlap outburst
but your dps does need to horn down for half a second
god we have to press so many buttons on pull
wooden widget
I might hold off on speccing rvager
I have shit haste rn anyways
Might go for fray
Is ravager a big big dmg gain or mostly rage gen?
wooden widget
Fine. But if I get carpet tunnel Iโm blaming you
hardy ridge
Ravager wont give you carpel tunnel, playing pwarr will
sick sentinel
is there still that hold out where you don't time the key, 2 ppl get loot, if u time it u get 3 ppl get gear normally and maybe 4 if you do better than 1 star and lucky? maybe thats why they maldin? though they get no loot i bet
wooden widget
Wish there was a conduit talent that pressed IP for me when I was above a certain rage
sick sentinel
bfa i recall if you failed key seemed like 90% time 2 ppl only get loot
hardy ridge
Wish there was a conduit talent that pressed IP for me when I was above a certai...
That would be pretty bad in execute phase but it would probably increase banner uptime
wooden widget
Oh true
sick sentinel
yeah, so and even still tequipping BV is bad with the ip spam we do now during banner rage boost
lofty widget
99% banner, 67% avatar and 14k overall 
wooden widget
What key? Can you show me your dmg breakdown pls
So happy to not be tossing spears anymore
wooden widget
bv?
lofty widget
booming voice
lofty widget
probably is, more overall at least
wooden widget
Kk
lofty widget
i just default to BV cause its super easy to get 100 % uptime on banner that way
sick sentinel
i ran 10 keys, 9 of them a 16 or more, i think its time to quit this week
sick sentinel
we still have until like july im pretty sure
lofty widget
late august most likely
lofty widget
it's a week where you dont have to worry about anything as a tank
sick sentinel
those god damn tornadoes are the melee pugger destoyers
sick sentinel
its not that bad really, just get out he way lol
dawn canyon
storming means ill be sad
lofty widget
annoying sure, but it aint gonna kill you
strong forum
If you have like 4 tornados spawning it's Hella annoying
lofty widget
charging into a tornado 
sick sentinel
storming alone wont kill you, but it can easily lead to sitaution where you do wipe or die
strong forum
It's just fucking annoying
tries to move out to get reprisal charge
tornado says no
Aight guess I'll go fuck myself
sick sentinel
i think it can be fun keeps you moving anyways
if u got 4 tonadoes its just like well bro it is what it is
lofty widget
they should knock you slightly higher up so you can get free charges
sick sentinel
i dunno if u take fall damage from a normal flat surface tornadoe to face, but you can intervene or heroic leap out of any fall damage if you are looking for it to happen, same with like more different tornadoes in final 1 or 2 platforms of teleport section TOP
blazing condor
Love tyrannical storming in HOA last boss ๐ป
hazy edge
>tries to move out to get reprisal charge
>tornado says no
I wish the tornadoes knocked you up high enough to charge. They'd be fine then
sick sentinel
i did that twice since i came back wihch probably saved the key, i did it in my 18 TOP which surprised me, probably reason we beat that key, along with 15k feral
guy does 10m dmg with just bite attack
you have quasi control over where the tornadoes spawn it at, and they are on a set path, so its not like its impossible
strong forum
someone fucks up the soak by getting launched up in the air
Or a tauren having too big a model so they're unable to soak it
strong forum
I think there's been issues with the beam there ye
Where you're just too large to stand in the beam
sick sentinel
that's very interesting, not the one i was expecting you to say
i was thinking the gnomes beam
strong forum
Havocs had to cancel their meta in freehold first boss for example if they wanted to Los the shot from the boss
sick sentinel
do well on th other 2 keys
median tulip
I always laugh when I see the DPS running after Devos in HoA, while I run towards the blue glow.
Like, Bro, she gonna be over here in a few seconds
strong forum
Cuz they'd be too large
They also sometimes can't los behind ledges during meta cuz meta model is too large
hardy ridge
someone fucks up the soak by getting launched up in the air
I thought they patched it so tornadoes dont spawn during the soak
sick sentinel
it amazes me how many players cannot seem to understand that devos only spawns that blue cricle you mentioned towards wall to make it easy on themselves , and to bait the dash attack out of the circle so we can juice it (reduced damage every frame she is in it)
pushing when she reaches 70 and i think 40% is really important too, free beating time.
strong forum
She doesn't matter if she's in the shield
And she's phasing at 80% and 30%
You always wanna bait her dash against the close wall
So she doesn't move far so you don't lose dps
You wanna dispel the debuffs outside of the blue circle so you don't block more space in the safezone for melees and for baiting her against the wall
sick sentinel
could be cuz closer to 15s, but our groups usually get her to 65 to 70% before she is in the air
strong forum
That's cuz of cast time
Could actually be 70 and 30 now that I think about it
๐ค
But anyway
blazing condor
think its 70 30
like typical blizz stuff
also yeah read the debuff on the shield - it only decreases damage against the explosion
something which she doesnt even take damage from = it doesn't matter if you hold her in the bubble
sick sentinel
protip for free for healers on devos: you can go to where the use thing is that you take the orbs, after you do your orb, and then it acts as like an LOS thing, so you don't get pushed back and then you could just spam heals from that spot
ocean yoke
always feels good
ocean yoke
show meters ๐
just some pug 15 top for vault
dawn canyon
blaster
lofty widget
valid violet
I canโt wait to try it out on Fortified weeks. Iโve had more success with Heavy Rep instead of AM for fortified weeks.
chrome falcon
nope
heavy rep is terrible
and has been for like a whole patch
probably costs you 3-4k dps
and a ton of rage
necro with AM is the only thing you should be playing
valid violet
Noted falling in love with this build
chrome falcon
it's the only build so that makes sense
strong forum
When you're playing HR instead of AM you drop from 60-70% uptime of Avatar down to 20% and you lose 30-40 outbursts per key, thus lower your Banner uptime and miss out on fuckloads of SWs per Key for 10% more block uptime
It's a massive loss to play HR in every way, especially considering Urh
scarlet creek
do we use WW as prot for aoe?
urban portal
No
strong forum
No
pallid quiver
The only time you'll ever see WW as prot is if you happen to pick up one of the powers that autocast it in Torghast
sick sentinel
revenge is better in every way imaginable
valid violet
During that window of rage generation do you put everything in ignore pain?
Also what is the best time to use SB during this window usually I go Raveger > charge > banner > Ip
chrome falcon
use SB when you're getting hit
use IP to dump excess rage
never overcap your rage
strong forum
If cap rage then ip
valid violet
If anything survives on bolster LS and rice and repeat
sick sentinel
use SB as it's needed as long as you are taking melee hits
valid violet
In a +21 halls on double Gordon pack I used only IP they did 0 damage to me
No SB which was strange af
median tulip
During that window of rage generation do you put everything in ignore pain?
Also...
Cast IP at over 70 Rage, is my rough rule
toxic pewter
i acutally only cast ip
i dont do damage as tank i am pure survival
defense is the best offense they say
lofty widget
they do say that
sick sentinel
we have many of those yes
cinder nova
do we use WW as prot for aoe?
Only if you're doing meme keys and have Bonegrinder in.
Otherwise, yeah - don't put it on your bar.
toxic pewter
revenge is better than ww
cinder nova
Not with Bonegrinder, no, but you're gonna press Revenge more than WW anyway.
And it's really only something to pump damage in lower keys because it disrupts the fluidity of proccing SS through TC/Rev
Each tick of a BG WW is between 3.5 and 4K for me when I'm rolling and there's 3 ticks per target with square root scaling after like... I dunno 5 or 8 targets, so it's going to hit decidedly harder than Rev and spend rage much faster, you just have to pick yourself up with more rage after you blow your wad, usually through chargeweaving.
toxic pewter
wat
cinder nova
What part of that wasn't coherent.
sick sentinel
name a single way in which WW is better than revenge in not torghast or some stupid ZM buff shit that makes it op
sick sentinel
i can name ohhh, at least 4 off top of head how rev better
chrome falcon
go pop all your CDs and bonegrinder and press whirlwind
that shit does infinite damage
but it also doesn't help rage gen so it sucks
but it's fun in meme keys
cinder nova
Yeah, it's gonna do more damage at the cost of basically everything else.
toxic pewter
u talkin about merciless bonegrinder conduit
cinder nova
No, I'm talking about the other Bonegrinder conduit 
Of course I'm talking about Merc Bonegrinder
toxic pewter
reported
sick sentinel
1, it does less damage than revenge, (due to many reasons, talents ETC), 2, it's not instant and on next attack so you have to wait for attack animation, 3, rage waste like you guys said, 4 i lied i only have 3 reasons unless 4th is that the range is ALSO worse,
cinder nova
Yogi, I'm gonna stop you there.
chrome falcon
no-one is saying whirlwind is good
but also
go do what i said
pop every CD and bonegrinder and press some whirlwinds
cinder nova
You do way less damage than you should be doing in keys, I've seen your SS. I'm not going to take DPS advice from you when you're not even reading what I told you.
chrome falcon
it does literally double, maybe more, the damage of a revenge
cinder nova
I'm here rooting for your io climb, but know what's being discussed instead of just trying to parrot.
chrome falcon
also even base whirlwind hits harder than revenge
toxic pewter
is ww bonegrinder the new meta
cinder nova
Isn't worth the rage without Bonegrinder.
chrome falcon
yes
cinder nova
And no, Bonegrinder isn't meta.
chrome falcon
go play whirlwind only in all your keys please
cinder nova
It's just a way to pad.
cinder nova
Because you give up a lot of survival and rage gen.
toxic pewter
goin to try
sick sentinel
i just get on the wrong targets or not close enough, hit wrong buttons
cinder nova
Low keys stuff dies fast enough for it to not matter.
sick sentinel
it's a not look at the screen problem and target totally wrong thing
cinder nova
๐ค ...are you not speccing out of Ashen for keys?
cinder nova
Why keep ashen it's so little damage
On high Tyr it's better
Or fort dungeons with a lot of big minibosses
cinder nova
If you're doing sub 20s it's a fun high dps meme, but it's definitely not recommended for high keys.
toxic pewter
I am running it now.
cinder nova
You can get away with it if you have a coordinated stack, but even then you're just being a ball ache to your healer.
toxic pewter
will help with my banner uptime too
spending more rage
this is huge
going all in boys
cinder nova
apb I'm literally the guy that mentioned it and I'm telling you not to, but whatever makes your heart sing, chief. Best of luck
cinder nova
Maybe it is, show us.
cinder nova
It isn't, but if you wanna play that way it's not gonna be the end of the world, per se.
toxic pewter
all these years of not pressing ww
cinder nova
Just wont be ideal at a higher level.
chrome falcon
it's not actually good long term
it's just good for 5 globals while you press WW
then you have no rage and no procs
and you're dead
sick sentinel
what video would you guys be most interested in watching if you wanted to see a private link video in log review channel? i idd 18 TOP on time best key, and then 3 PF 16s, 1 failed, 1 spires 16, 2 15's SD 16 or a NW 17 failed.
cinder nova
Against two targets I hit WW 3 times in a opening burst rotation with Bonegrinder and it did 26% of my damage with revenge doing less than 3%.
cinder nova
It definitely hits way harder than revenge with BG up, but it's not meta-defining.
chrome falcon
it's 10x easier to analyse
sick sentinel
i want to get to the core of this dps not hitting buttons issue
chrome falcon
i cba watching a 50 minute video of you failing a key
when i can spend 3 minutes pointing out every problem in a log
the issue is you spend more time worrying about your route and watching your replay
than playing the class
cinder nova
Prot PVP died with the patch to their tier sadge
You can RBG with it, like any tank, but eh.
toxic pewter
why because of the 1 shot nerf
fallow narwhal
tbh
cinder nova
Yeah people didn't like SS bonking
toxic pewter
i do rbg's and they are fun
fallow narwhal
you cant really rbg as any tank other than druid and dk (for kidnapping)
sick sentinel
i would be more willing to do logs if this loggerhead thing cut off before and after i did a keystone on its own and put them each in a file
cinder nova
You can RBG as prot fine. It has its own displacements.
toxic pewter
nah prot is really strong in rbg's
we can negate rogues really well
with zerker rage
chrome falcon
i can guarantee you logging is 10000x easier and more effective than watching a 30 minute replay
cinder nova
โ๏ธ
toxic pewter
and honestly conq banner is really strong for flag carrying
chrome falcon
and again
no-one is watching a 30-45 minute video of you doing akey
when we can just see the actual data in a log
cinder nova
I kind of wish they'd make Devastator procs baseline, get rid of the extra damage, and then we can take Punish.
Or maybe roll S&B into Punish and make it a talent.
toxic pewter
i agree, i had that same thought earlier today
i still take punish though its really strong
cinder nova
I mean for PVP, sure, if you're going for the one-shots - but that's not super viable anymore so you're probably better going Devastator still.
But I can't comment much on it because I stopped doing 3s after the nerf.
Just not enough going on between Outbursts to make it worth it.
toxic pewter
I agree with you because i actually ran devestator in pvp for a while until someone told me yesterday punish is better
but i kind of feel like i misd devastator
sick sentinel
one major way i know i make mistake is not targeting the correct relic when i go into combat on boss mostly
cinder nova
I sometimes forget I have Punish and just don't press Devastate.
median tulip
one major way i know i make mistake is not targeting the correct relic when i g...
Make a macro: /tar Urh
sick sentinel
you guys always click to target, or hit tab to cycle enemy
chrome falcon
so just make a macro
sick sentinel
just in generally really
chrome falcon
practice then
mighty valley
sometimes have to click when it's a real mess, tabbing usually does ok
chrome falcon
you should have enough aoe threat for it not to matter 90% of the time
sick sentinel
like i say, i feel like its 99% a problem that i don't hit the buttons in the correct order, don't look at screen to see move out or boss casting this crap
chrome falcon
uh
well looking at your screen and pressing buttons is
literally 100% of the game so if you're struggling with that we might have a problem
you also totally over-rely on DBM callouts btw
you shouldn't be waiting for DBM to tell you to do something
if you're just reacting to an addon you're not going to have time to do everything properly, you should get used to knowing what's coming up in the next 5 seconds so you're not constantly surprised by what's going on
pallid quiver
i click the extra action button things because i can't be assed to keybind a macro for it
warm mango
i am not a clicker
I love the movie click with adam sandler
XD
toxic pewter
XD great film
sick sentinel
right, and so to start a log i just do /combatlog , and then to stop it and cut off? (so it doesn't record me doing ZM dailies as part of log)
whatever cause this low dps needs to be stopped, so if i do log and video no way we can't isolate this problem.
toxic pewter
Warlock
Destruction
Ritual of Ruin (2-piece bonus) now lasts 30 seconds (was unlimited).
Summoning a Blasphemy (4-piece bonus) no longer stuns enemies in PvP.
what does this mean
is destro lock getting nerfed? those chaos bolts are too strong
sick sentinel
means warlock DED dead
toxic pewter
right
does this fix that
because they are way too strong
they need to nerf chaos bolt damage too tbh
sick sentinel
i could have also been imagining but i swear i saw +25% threat all tanks image here
sick sentinel
ehh works for me
i heard i can go alliance tomorrow if i want, i'd be scared to lose my quest progress tho? maybe later
toxic pewter
prob would lose quest progress yeah
theres a faq somewhere that details everything you will lose
if you transfer factions
sick sentinel
after KSM sure
scenic mural
right, and so to start a log i just do /combatlog , and then to stop it and cut ...
Loggerhead does this for you. Log begisn and ends in dungeon and goes into your logs folder as an individual file
And are you referring to your own personal low dps needs to be stopped or your groups?
sick sentinel
like my own personal dps, likely due to being out of range of what i want to attack
scenic mural
I bet it has everything to do with not pressing enough buttons. Thats usually always the problem this season.
dawn canyon
Standing in shit increases dps
dawn canyon
Im not kidding FDK gains a tiny bit of dam
vernal vale
ha
dawn canyon
If they can get hit during AMS
They get runic power
Which roughly translates to damage during breath
mighty egret
cant wait to be a DI dwarf tmrw
dawn canyon
pallid quiver
AMS generating runic power when it prevents magic damage is hilarious and always will be
hazy edge
SR should give rage when you reflect a spell ๐ก
hardy ridge
Lets start with spell reflect should reflect
hazy edge
true
and not be consumed on reflect, but still only reflect "once"
And should make it so we can block magic damage during it's duration
vernal vale
The very best thing it should do is not have 90ูช of spells still hit you when it's up
waxen orbit
Probably means you should fix your route then
sick sentinel
uhh, hang on
this is what actually got pulled and the arrow on second map notes that he died at this location instead of intended
pliant sage
Evening all. I see that Necrolord is great to play in m+ (absorbs for days and strength buff from banner) but I've seen that playing it only matters in higher keys (15+) where mobs and packs live long enough for the defensive value of ignore pain spam to matter. Until the damage you take gets there it's better to be Kyrian for the extra damage dealt. Can anyone here give their opinion on that difference?
urban portal
15 isnt high keys
but yes if you are playing sub 15 may as well play kyrian and one shot every pack
median tulip
Evening all. I see that Necrolord is great to play in m+ (absorbs for days and s...
You do more damage as Necro because you have more Rage to spam Revenge and Execute, which give you more Shield Slam resets, which gives you more Rage Generation, Which give you longer banner, which gives you longer Mastery buff which gives you more damage which gives you more Rage Generation... etc etc
pliant sage
15 isnt high keys
For a nub to M+ they are. I haven't done a key yet that has actual affixes
pliant sage
You do more damage as Necro because you have more Rage to spam Revenge and Execu...
So I should just be rolling Necro no matter what? It also seems more defensive
median tulip
The only advantage Kyrian has is that it has higher SPIKE damage on pull for threat generation. And that's not enough
sick sentinel
those keys aren't as hard as you think they are though, don't be afraid to go in and keep trying above all else
urban portal
may as well start learning in a lower key
median tulip
So I should just be rolling Necro no matter what? It also seems more defensive
Yeah, it's more defensive and more offensive. It is harder to play though.
pliant sage
Also about gearing, should I just do low keys to learn and get good stats/trinkets for gear to invest valor into since it's uncapped?
median tulip
You can time +15s with an entire party of 255ish; I did it in week 1
sick sentinel
if i get KSM i'll piss around with venthyr prot
median tulip
+15 is not hard
sick sentinel
just see how it goes
median tulip
Also about gearing, should I just do low keys to learn and get good stats/trinke...
You might as well go as high as you can. Ain't nobody got time for farming 4000 valour to upgrade a trinket from rank 1 to rank 12 bro
pliant sage
I'm sure you can, I still have mechanics and packs to understand. Like I've watched videos and I'm trying to learn, I'm more interested in approaching how to do the things
sick sentinel
i do, i just completed my 11th + 15 or above
pliant sage
You might as well go as high as you can. Ain't nobody got time for farming 4000 ...
Oh, I didn't know it was that much of a slog
median tulip
I'm sure you can, I still have mechanics and packs to understand. Like I've watc...
How to Warrior:
Step 1: Get Angry
Step 2: More Angry
Step 2: TOO ANGRY TO DIE
pliant sage
Yes.
median tulip
With Necro it's really simply: The more Rage you generate, the longer banner lasts, and the faster Avatar and Shield Wall come back
and the more health you regen
Just
Push
Buttons
sick sentinel
remember guys, the only thing that holds you back is YOU
you are only one in way of dreams type shit
pliant sage
Buttons
:D
This is the character I'm working with. I tried to join 0-2s on this gal and got whispered to reroll to a real tank.
Bleh, talents haven't updated. But is score that important for low keys? Like it feels bad to have that crap from the random groups
median tulip
Yes.
Oh and before you go any further, you talent like this:
Row 1: Devastator
Row 2: Your choice (I prefer Double Time)
Row 3: Best Served Cold or Booming Voice
Row 4: Crackling Thunder or Bounding Stride (I prefer BS)
Row 5: Indomitable
Row 6: Into The Fray or Ravager (I prefer Ravager)
Row 7: ANGER MANAGEMENT
median tulip
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/thrall/mightoath
MAG'HAR SUPREMACY
pliant sage
Yeah, I have that talent setup. Armory has t updated.
:(
I prefer Ravager as well. It's way more set and forget
median tulip
(I am also Mag'har, fuck the haters)
pliant sage
Who hates Maghar? They xmog super well
sick sentinel
MAXIMUM ANGERY: https://youtu.be/srG8JoRVBVg?t=218 Psure this was the part record with a chainsaw
median tulip
I prefer Ravager as well. It's way more set and forget
Make this macro: #showtooltip /use [@player]Ravager
pliant sage
I was an Elf for a long time
sick sentinel
DOS 17, do i attempt it boys?
pliant sage
Nightbourne but people said Maghar were better
pliant sage
Make this macro: ```#showtooltip
/use [@player]Ravager```
I like being able to set it on outside packs and have it follow them for threat. Like if a DPS derps and pulls I can drop it and get the pack to me
median tulip
I like being able to set it on outside packs and have it follow them for threat....
I have this macro as well: ```#showtooltip Ravager
/cast [@cursor] Ravager
sick sentinel
would you ever combine the macro to do at player first and then say shift mod to make it at cursor or vica-verca
pliant sage
That should be wonderful. @cursor so you don't have to click. I just got my first MMO mouse so I'm learning to use it for defensives
median tulip
would you ever combine the macro to do at player first and then say shift mod to...
I wouldn't, but I have fucked up hands and avoid using mod macros as a result
pliant sage
I don't have the Maghar tabard because the character was a Nightbourne :(
median tulip
That should be wonderful. @cursor so you don't have to click. I just got my firs...
I use my mouse buttons for stuff that is on cursor and mouseover macros, and defensives and target stuff on keyboard
sick sentinel
f1 row is too far, i don't have one of those how you say it 80/70% kb's
its like small and shit
no numpad
median tulip
I'm using a Logitech G910 KB and G600 mouse
sick sentinel
this ones called Xtreme gaming mechanical rgb..... cost me 30 bucks local
waxen orbit
Who hates Maghar? They xmog super well
They also have a racial that seriously buggered the timers for dispels on Remnant
median tulip
lol
pliant sage
They also have a racial that seriously buggered the timers for dispels on Remnan...
I don't know what that means
median tulip
I don't know what that means
The Mag'har Racial "Savage Blood" reduced the duration of a boss mechanic in Sanctum of Domination, which could sometimes result in a lot of people getting yeeted to their doom
sick sentinel
i'm mighty tempted to go start up this 17 dos, but no
median tulip
ew, DOS
pliant sage
Isn't that dungeon better if you have dispells and soothes? Take a BElf SV hunter gf
median tulip
Pretty much all dungeons are better with dispells, NGL
pliant sage
Oh
sick sentinel
mh orc buff us damn near bis for tins of classes
pliant sage
?
sick sentinel
here's a bunch of secondary stat for few seconds every few minutes
pliant sage
Are you ok?
sick sentinel
my spelling?
pliant sage
Just making sure you weren't like driving or something
median tulip
Just macro Ancestral Call into your Avatar button and forget about it
pliant sage
I read that Maghar racial is great for lots of classes because it gives loads of secondary stats
Yep, since Avatar should be used anytime the racial would be needed.
sick sentinel
I turned off my computer before dos 17 could start happening
pliant sage
Why?
sick sentinel
that's a yogi disaster trap waiting to happen
pliant sage
Ah well then good for you.
Back to the question from earier, so Necro for the whole haul. I have a baby Dwarf and the 2min Stoneform on it comes in super handy for getting rid of bleeds and all. I'm debating playing alliance just for access to Dwarf and Night Elf.
median tulip
Bleh, Alliance :(
sick sentinel
long ago many many years my character was human
the dumbest warrior of them all, and I suceeded
pliant sage
Bleh, Alliance :(
Bleed removal. Also Dwarf
sick sentinel
everyman is so damn good as prot? literal get put of jail frre
pliant sage
Like the Maghar is objectively a what eight hour time save just by what's on it. Also bigger faction etc
scenic mural
I mean its just good for everybody but not the best in pve
In reference tk every man
pliant sage
I just have a soft spot for my old main. The Dwarf has all the Draenor portals because of challenge modes.
scenic mural
Both dwarves are bis for style
sick sentinel
I've had fantasy of turn warrior undead so he can eat corpses
not very good in practice without will
mechagnome other alliance races to try
median tulip
I'd sooner eat my own eyeballs than play a gnome
pliant sage
I'd sooner eat my own eyeballs than play a gnome
This. I've collected every other races heritage armor except Gnome and Mechagnome
scenic mural
Wish blizz would finish all the heritage armors
sick sentinel
everything was always dwarf for me whenever that was the option
at very start at least
I won't roll a gnome, panda, worgen, night elf or blood elf
median tulip
There are too many goddamn elves
sick sentinel
I dislike rolling orc, if do troll for many classes
median tulip
I don't like Troll because their whole "no boots" thing fucks with too many good transmogs
sick sentinel
well that but this is a blizzard come on issue it's insert current year, like sort mounts flying or ground
pliant sage
Orc, Night Elf, and Dwarf transmog well for almost a every class.
Slight deviations from the human base
Female Orc* males warp armor a lot especially shoulders
sick sentinel
I just think in terms of transmog all models should have 2022/3 technology and skeletons in em
able to wear boots or gloves similar to human
cinder nova
@steady karma Any idea what three buys will be BIS for S4? Speculatively, that is.
steady karma
idk this is #protection so probably a shield and some trinkets that let you get hit in the face more
hazy edge
ows, aegis, and whatever probably
ocean yoke
matrix big third option
hardy ridge
stone legion probably pretty decent option too
distant crystal
it'll have ilvl again
hardy ridge
Could be good with ows if you dont need aegis for a more offensive option
strong forum
Would prolly just run matrix then
onyx matrix
Do we have to re-farm all our m+ gear in s4?
onyx matrix
Lol what
hardy ridge
Would prolly just run matrix then
Fair point
strong forum
Lol what
Did you not read up on anything
S4 is not a "real" season it's an experiment from blizzard to fill the end-of-expansion-content-drought
Where all raids will drop the same ilvl gear
And the m+ dungeon pool gets changed to the 3 mega dungeons, karazhan, mechagon and tazavesh + 2 "new" dungeons from wod
onyx matrix
Did you not read up on anything <:keks:936231610850897992>
I couldnt find any info on m+ part thats why im asking here since you nerds always squeeze out info
hardy ridge
I couldnt find any info on m+ part thats why im asking here since you nerds alwa...
Bro you got me tripping. Im watching better call saul right now
fallow narwhal
Train dungeon was the worst dungeon that could have been picked
onyx matrix
No more scale, no more DoS, no more necrotic wake
Still better than the train dungeon from wod
strong forum
Train dungeon was the worst dungeon that could have been picked
Take it like this, with choosing this awful dungeon in s4, we won't see it in Dragonflight
200iq move
fallow narwhal
true
brittle owl
Train dungeon was the worst dungeon that could have been picked
mad cuz bad
don't @ me
blazing condor
@copper quail
brittle owl
wow
onyx matrix
@me
brittle owl
objection hearsay
blazing condor
Objection chicanery
strong forum
My dog stepped on a bee
blazing condor
tHeRes a bEE?
brittle owl
you guys still have bees?
onyx matrix
I live with bees
brittle owl
pics or it didn't happen
onyx matrix
Objection, grammar nazi
blazing condor
Sustained
brittle owl
sustain my balls
i rest my case
(rest my balls on your face before anyone says it)
onyx matrix
What balls, the ones that are as dry as plums?
brittle owl
joe mamma dry
mighty valley
wait are you claiming to have very wet balls
brittle owl
i think the legal term is moist
onyx matrix
wait are you claiming to have very wet balls
Yea who doesnt
onyx matrix
joe mamma dry
Joes mom has nothing to do with this
onyx matrix
Your honor, this man is terrorising everyone around him, even his own kin
jagged pier
Well he just has a dn problem
sweet summit
jiraff
dawn canyon
jagged pier
i am merely a cunt
Well we knewn that
jagged pier
True true
sweet summit
it's all in your head