The best part is when pugs do get aggro they run away from you x)
#protection
onyx matrix
Theater of pain, when you have to move from the dark winds, there is always one person dying from them
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lime urchin
I donāt pug that often, and play with the same 3-4 people most of the time
onyx matrix
Ah man i want a team aswell
lime urchin
Theater of pain, when you have to move from the dark winds, there is always one ...
It does move last minute sometimes
lime urchin
Ah man i want a team aswell
Make frens from nice pugs!
onyx matrix
Yea maybe if they ever talk
lime urchin
Well, just tell someone they played well and that you would like to play with them more often. Worked for me a couple of times.
dawn canyon
"hey ur really good care to run a few more keys?"
onyx matrix
Heck i did, everyone leaves š¤£
onyx matrix
Yea, every man for himself
strong forum
same
dawn canyon
grouping up is probably a IO key thing
onyx matrix
A brick wall of joy
sick sentinel
scale and sack.... aka dragon deez nuts
dawn canyon
onyx matrix
Thats hot
craggy pilot
https://wago.io/vm5lvXUka
What do you wanna change about it? You can take less small guys in the start area and kill the nerzudah guy if you have no skip, but other than that it looks ok
torpid junco
Is there a DK chat like this? Finally made one ā¦ ā¹ļø
quaint glade
scale and sack.... aka dragon deez nuts
Is sack dps trinket ? Cuz I never seen it before xD
torpid junco
Sack is a dps single target trinket
sick sentinel
That was like the very first dungeon i ran coming back this season and i saw it drop for warrior and he wasn't sure if he needed it, so i asked if he perhaps did not need it if i could get that item.
dawn canyon
Is there a DK chat like this? Finally made one ā¦ ā¹ļø
The DK discord has a blood dk section
sick sentinel
i'm dreading over to pull the big trash in NW or skip him, the main caster fucker
having difficulty commiting to either narz and wo, or just kll the 2 necros past bridge. need it for KSM score anyways +17
sick sentinel
Is sack dps trinket ? Cuz I never seen it before xD
drops in streets, or off mail room mythic 0 for str/agi melee dps exclusive.
echo egret
Compared to yours :
-I take more in the 1st boss area (first lone mob, an extra patrol)
-Same potion skip before bridge
-I ignore the pack left after the bridge but I take the big patrolling dude
-I use WO to skip the last pack before 2nd boss, especially on fortified week
-That leaves plenty of weapons for bosses 2 and 3
-Tank the 2nd boss as close to the entrance corner as possible, that prevents adds from spawning all over the place
Let the DPS handle (kick) the casters, shield slam the warrior add that spawns nearby and taunt the other, then charge the arbalest mob - that should stack everything neatly
-3rd boss save 1 weapon of each (you can carry 3 different weapons yourself) and use them all when he jumps from platform
-Warn in advance your DPS to not kill the 1st hook add, and be alert, he should re-cast hook right as the boss goes back to his platform, if done correctly even on tyrannical you can kill him in 2 jumps back-to-back
-Lust on 1-2-4 , or 1-2-3
safe thistle
Hi guys it would be very nice if someone would be willing to copy paste here the macro to make a focus for a pack of m+ + interrupt for it i found some on google but they arent enough good i bet theres better one out there. š
would love one that put the target i first sellect or mouseover as focus and when he die clear the focus, to be rerady to switch to a new one.
all the one ive found doesnt clear the focus and you need like 3 button one to set focus then your intterupt and a new one to clear focus
strong forum
automated macros arent a thing
safe thistle
so theres no way to get a focus that clear itself ?
strong forum
all the one ive found doesnt clear the focus and you need like 3 button one to s...
thats the only way to do it
safe thistle
ahhh i though i just sucked at macro tried to do something like when it dies focus reset
strong forum
nop
safe thistle
yah but then the focus stay on the dead mobs until i clear and redo one
echo egret
Yeah @focus,nodead works perfectly
dawn canyon
yah but then the focus stay on the dead mobs until i clear and redo one
thats not an issue for me so yea š¤·
ill refocus next pack anyways
strong forum
you dont need to have a clear focus macro
safe thistle
so if i do one with @focus,nodead will it kick another one if its dead and i target it
strong forum
just do it with modifiers man
echo egret
so if i do one with @focus,nodead will it kick another one if its dead and i tar...
Yes
safe thistle
ohh the modifier is a good idea
strong forum
/cast [mod:ctrl][@focus] Pummel
/cast [nomod] Pummel
echo egret
[@focus,nodead][@target]
safe thistle
then all i need is 1 button to set focus ?
strong forum
ye
/clearfocus
/setfocus [@mouseover]
i think
so you clear it if you have no target
echo egret
/cast[@focus,harm,nodead][@target] Pummel
even
safe thistle
asann see thats alreayd better cause i had 1 button to set and one ton clear didnt
strong forum
clearing in itself isnt really needed
cuz whenever you set a focus you overwrite the old one anyway
echo egret
Thereās a built-in key binding to set focus, and it clears if you have no target, btw
strong forum
ye
safe thistle
/focus [@focus,exists] none; [@mouseover,exists][]
is this good
thats what i used before
strong forum
im no expert with that but it seems a little redundant
safe thistle
a built-in key o.O
echo egret
I donāt see the need for any macro - just use the built-in keybind
strong forum
not everything has to be a macro, unless you wanna turn it into mouseover
safe thistle
well would it be better to make the focus mouseover ?
strong forum
yes
echo egret
Myeah, 1 less click maybe
strong forum
unless youre quick with just switching target, applying focus, then switch back to your original target
safe thistle
nah thats what i wanna avoid
i always end up clicking wrong one or losing the one i need to kick sometime on huge pack
it was fine before but now that i do huge pack it get annoying
echo egret
To be perfectly honest, revenge+TC give enough threat to just target the mob you want to interrupt prio
safe thistle
i can say for certain it doesnt on a mage burstr
echo egret
Like ?
safe thistle
if i dont do some shield slam around i will lose threat
theres a buff coming though
sick sentinel
hey nome what do u think about a route fo rme for NW 17
strong forum
i dont know shit about NW
sick sentinel
i asked some other ppl too, i jus don't fee like fuck it up
sick sentinel
do u skip narzudah pack every time?
safe thistle
if you have a dispel for mobs narzudah aint that bad with previous pack + orb
strong forum
would skip on fort and during bolstering/sanguine tho
sick sentinel
will he be a pug deleter on a 17?
strong forum
itll be a you deleter
cuz he throws healing absorbs
if he doesnt die within the anima orb it can cause issues
sick sentinel
i tell the group to orb him if i ever do
strong forum
well you orb him
cuz youre in melee
you pick up goliath orbs + anima orbs
then pull the blightbags + the big guy patrol ontop of narzudah
echo egret
What else scares you so much that you want to kill that pack ?
sick sentinel
nobody does the invisible right and we get in combat with him is main and only concern
i asked in the wow chat and someone said you always skip it so
fallow narwhal
echo egret
If your DPS canāt use an invis potā¦
sick sentinel
what about the pile of like 9 skeletons beside 5, cuz i see them included as 1 pull on dratnos, they don't bolster? are they any threat to anyone sorta like the final boss slimes that are slowed in PF
lofty widget
nope, those skeletons do nothing
safe thistle
just hurt if you get in melee
lofty widget
no bolster, no sanguine no nothing
echo egret
They donāt - I kill them last and use their WO to skip the next mage pack
sick sentinel
they don't have a special ability or hit for alot
lofty widget
nope
grave prairie
why are tanks running the execute conduit? is it better than adaptative for example?
dawn canyon
You run 3 damage conduits usually
grave prairie
or the thundeclap one
dawn canyon
Banner Fragment and then exe or tc conduit
Tc for slightly more aoe damage
Exe one for better Boss damage
(usually tyra/raid)
chrome falcon
why are tanks running the execute conduit? is it better than adaptative for exam...
because execute crits for 35k
grave prairie
i will try it
the thing im not sure is running that finese conduict in the last row of necro
that third endurance looks very tempting
sick sentinel
i got roots without avatar ready, took too long to run out, died, 5 minutes over 17 nw
strong forum
for high keys the finesse conduit is literally OP
no other tank can provide a 20% dr external on a 30sec CD
dawn canyon
That's what makes you live PF Boss 3 as a hunter
(in that instance BDK can do more with mind controlled bulwark of maldraxxus guy - but that's 1 spot)
waxen orbit
for high keys the finesse conduit is literally OP
True true
Iām only doing 23-24s rn so Iām just milking it
Wouldnāt be a bad idea to swap to the finesse conduit tho
Actually yeah I probably should, not sure what Iāve been thinking
I mean Iāve been fine without it but still not the most optimal pick
strong forum
It's not like CAS has real impact
You also make an argument to not play stalwart and instead play CAS but eh
waxen orbit
I have 1 min CD on shield wall without sweating with Stalwart and AM so idk
Feels pretty nice
Can honestly pass up CAS now with tier set
And necrolord
We have enough prevention and the extra rage makes a lot of room for Indom to heal more than last tier
queen bobcat
did something change? Didn't the pin say that is was a decent trinket before?
queen bobcat
yeah, was just wondering what that evidence was^^
strong forum
Having logs, generally
When I first stated that it was decent was very early in the season
But since people have more gear and have done higher keys, you just see how truly bad the trinket is
And since there still seems to be an overwhelming amount of people who don't think hard enough, I made this pin to re-emphasize it
queen bobcat
Ahh thanks. Makes a lot of sense.
latent hull
Is there any downside to using the fairly new Interface-Controls-Combat ... Unit Frame Mouseover Cast option rather than creating mouseover macros?
echo egret
I havenāt looked into it - my guess is that itās a setting that applies for everything while macros let you decide which spells and more precisely how ?
safe thistle
i knew it was bad when i saw it had stamina over str anyway
urban portal
yeah, was just wondering what that evidence was^^
Strength was the #1 issue, then after that itās the fact that it consistently loses to both aegis and scale even on 27 fortified
safe thistle
why would you pot nalthro frozen bind
sick sentinel
i saw a similiar white effect on ground and then not paying attention, didn't move out fast enough
i didn't have avatar, kaboom
safe thistle
just spell reflect
strong forum
^
safe thistle
it wont apply to you and you can stay in it
sick sentinel
hang on, caught in 1440p time, cant say 4k cuz its not
safe thistle
his normal cast are considered melee cant be reflected
the only polace spell reflect can be used is on bind
chrome falcon
just spell reflect
problem with this is that some healers won't dispel while you're inside the circle
then they dispel when SR wears off
so if there's time i tell them to just dispel it and dw if i'm stood in it
safe thistle
yah gotta warn healer though first good point, i dont usely pug and were all on discord its easy for me.
sick sentinel
i didn't start moving out of it until 0.8 seconds remaining and i was dead center, froze me i was trying to heroic leap awya
safe thistle
tank never get targeted
if you got it its cause someone else got dispelled and you were standing in it
sick sentinel
froze my ass and made my player jump stop, i did have SR ready, i can see but i didn't think to hit it
safe thistle
and your most likely fucked by the comet storm aftewrward
so you stayed in the big circle during dispel no spell reflect got binded, then pray sw/sr will save your ass on the comet storm or that your healer is a priest that can dispel again
sick sentinel
well i knew exactly what was about to happen
safe thistle
no way out of it once your trapped
sick sentinel
so, if i get ice on me and i hit that potion it won't remove it?
safe thistle
never tried and i wouldnt either its not difficult to just plain avoid it
why waste a pot cd
crude notch
Your guysā dog got out
sick sentinel
yeah, i stood in the circle literal forever with SR ready the entire, time, that ones on me.
plain lantern
noob question: is uptime generated by the time the spell is active? thanks
distant crystal
active time / total time ye
details cuts out the out of combat time but logs is from key start to key complete
cinder nova
š¤ How much does BDK give up to slap the meter?
I feel like they're a lot more complex survival-wise and they have a lot more to juggle to be able to swing around and press damage.
Ours is kinda in-built.
hazy edge
Not a lot
drw is one of bdkās best defensives, and also provides a lot of dam
So by keeping it up they stay tanky and do dam
cinder nova
So any BDK I see doing bad damage is effectively inting?
hazy edge
Yup
hazy edge
Itās the same when you see a prot war wearing reprisal and never charging/intervening
They are just losing dam by inting hard
cinder nova
I'm still having a hard time believing what Nom said about players
Anything above a +10 puts you in the top 90% or something. That feels whack
sturdy sable
Yeah its wild how little of the player base actually sees mythic content
sturdy sable
Yeah but this only counts people whove actually run a key
hazy edge
Yup
strong forum
Anything above a +10 puts you in the top 90% or something. That feels whack
when have i said that
hazy edge
So in all actuality it's probably closer to top 3-5%
wooden widget
Does the free revenge from reprisal count as the +50% dmg mentioned in best served cold talent?
lofty widget
yes
wooden widget
Letās say I have messed up and am have an outburst readyā¦but shield slam is on cd. Better to send thunder clap than wait for a SL proc or for it to come off cd?
lofty widget
Letās say I have messed up and am have an outburst readyā¦but shield slam is on c...
revenge/charge/intervene to fish for SS proc
if you have legit nothing its better to use it on TC than wait for 2-3 seconds doing nothing
wooden widget
Gotcha ty
sick sentinel
KSM soon
wooden widget
Hell yeah
Iām a long way from tanking all 15s on warrior
But so far prot has been a blast
How short is shield wall Cd functionally in a dungeon?
sweet summit
1 min ish
wooden widget
WHAT
sick sentinel
less if you play well
sick sentinel
no, u press SW every single time its off CD and ur about to take any dmg
especially before urh
wooden widget
Yeah I like literally just finished setting up prot bars I sorta forgot I had it. Just with IP and shield block I felt like I was very beefy. Fort next week might be diff
sick sentinel
same for all your cds, but more so if u have banner ready, just send it and dodge shit pray for best and should be okayh
wooden widget
Nice do you guys use last stand proactively too? I imagine pairing it with a fresh banner will help you keep the outburst feedback looping
Cuz of that conduit
sick sentinel
yeah, but also with banner or other +% rage generators if possible
strong forum
i just use it for banner
lofty widget
just LS on cd
wooden widget
Roger
sick sentinel
if its possible, your starter should be something along the lines of banner > LS > ravager > charge > avatar > SS > normal
chrome falcon
is LS is up and you have banner then always press it
wooden widget
Gotcha ty both
sick sentinel
taunt as well, taunt increases threat through damage by 4 times
wooden widget
The dps I play with only poop once a week
And with next weeks buff should be ok š
mighty valley
these stats are the percentage of people who actually do keys
and tons don't
the "average wow player" doesn't really exist, huge numbers of people play this game in ways that looks nothing like anything anyone in here cares about
sick sentinel
goldshire things probably
sick sentinel
i ran out of mogs to buy on the AH for a reasonable price in plate
everything 1k or more if i don't got it collected
proud belfry
Start buying white quality items for dragonflight
lime urchin
Makin frens
heady latch
Heart of the Swarm is this a good trinket?
sage yacht
no
heady latch
a 272 Heart of swarm compared to 239 Shard of Annhylde's Aegis, too?
lofty widget
yes
echo egret
Can some remind me why, on logs, I see a high % of hits blocked but quite lower on damage blocked ?
chrome falcon
because... uh
you can't block all damage
you can only block hits
absolutely impossible as a pugger yeah
lofty widget
idk about that, but it is very very very difficult
waxen orbit
You want a team
Youāll find it the more you pug
Thatās how I found mine last season
chrome falcon
yeah like if i successfully pugged a 27 or something
waxen orbit
Friend people as you go, make a reputation
chrome falcon
i'd be adding those guys for sure
waxen orbit
Even pug timing a 25/26
Worth
The more contacts, the better
So that you always have someone that you know is solid to fill an empty slot in the group
sturdy sable
the "average wow player" doesn't really exist, huge numbers of people play this ...
My dad played wow from bc to wod never stepping into a raid
chilly brook
which one of you madmen is this
I donāt think Ze is in here
distant crystal
what in the bug
you can't get that many KAs in a 4:30 fight can you
are they like swapping bonds constantly
crystal iris
depends if your party is all druid
chilly brook
depends if your party is all druid
Couldnāt be
distant crystal
you can only have one bond at a time tho lol
distant crystal
i don't even know if there's enough time if you chain swapped bond/KA
that's some kinda WCL fuckery
distant crystal
279 seconds / 124 bonds, they swapping every 2.25seconds?
the forbidden class-swap
chilly brook
Prot war-I mean paladin
cinder nova
I'm 2
Ze is on another level tbh I stopped trying to pass him
I'd parse better if my guild DPS wasn't dead weight
sick sentinel
im already at 9/8 15's but i'm damn tempted to try streets, i'll fuck up the 3 boss one though
cinder nova
? Menagerie?
You can stand in almost all the mechanics even on 21 tyr tbh it's a mechanic check to see if your dps are breathing through their collective mouths
crystal iris
apparently ticking sac doesnt do so hot on ST sim?
crystal iris
ya
crystal iris
There was a Prot pally with zero externals doing 11k overall on heroic rygalon
and 11k HPS too
waxen orbit
Thatās prot pal
distant crystal
prob kinda solo tanking and blasting with holy shield
waxen orbit
Could get that DPS up tho :borpa:
sick sentinel
my job to attack anyone who got roots with HP bar on that boss right or dps job, i just don't know that boss and final boss well enough to apply to someones key
dawn canyon
the root isnt really something i care for
ranged will sort that out most of the time
cinder nova
<@145720204775784448> Godspeed brother LMAO
Shocked I was even that close tbh
onyx matrix
decanter vs inscrutable?
waxen orbit
Shocked I was even that close tbh
If you beat him in the next 2 months I will Venmo you $30 $15
strong forum
There was a Prot pally with zero externals doing 11k overall on heroic rygalon
11k is nothing special tho?
That's pretty close to their max
11.6k is prot pally sim dps
strong forum
he was running codex too which is kinda meh for pally
Codex is good even for prots on rygelon
median tulip
It's pretty decent for a tankadin
strong forum
The 1 exception
sick sentinel
i don't trust myself to pug *into * a 15 tyr streets (aka today tonight) without HEAVY researching that and the final boss
cinder nova
If you beat him in the next 2 months I will Venmo you ~~$30~~ $15
I'm a sponsored gamer now guys. Gotta stream and start my brand
sick sentinel
if it was my key, no problem but i don't want to subject some random group with my shitty playing
median tulip
i don't trust myself to pug *into * a 15 tyr streets (aka today tonight) without...
The last boss is just a test of "can you think with portals"
waxen orbit
Official Thwumpā¢ļø Corp. sponsorship
sick sentinel
The last boss is just a test of "can you think with portals"
In lay-mens terms: Speedy thing go in, speedy thing come out"
I AM NOT A MORON
yes yes, i've plyaed shit out of it
dawn canyon
i don't trust myself to pug *into * a 15 tyr streets (aka today tonight) without...
final boss is very straight forward
go through portal
kick it late
median tulip
The whole boss mechanic there is "spot where the Shuri is starting from, figure out what portal(s) you need to take"
dawn canyon
dont stand where its gonna half/quarter the room or itll fuck with you
sick sentinel
final boss is very straight forward
i just don't look at the screen is my problem
strong forum
Or just tank the shuri and wait for the others to figure out the portals
sick sentinel
thats like my entire problem is i don't look at the screen
strong forum
While you continue slapping the boss
strong forum
Works 23 aswell
waxen orbit
You can shield wall it, thereās nothing else that hurts on that boss lol
strong forum
Shuri doesn't really hurt
median tulip
Yeah, as a tank you can totally treat Shuri as being Somebody Else's Problem
waxen orbit
You can shield wall it, thereās nothing else that hurts on that boss lol
If you want to be lazy*
sick sentinel
one of the issues i had was that i would go through a portal and try to move to fight boss and get shot out into another one, and take a boat load more dmg
was like when i was entering and maybe avatar tauren too thicc
dawn canyon
you sadly have to kinda look at ur guy
sick sentinel
normally what i do is i cheese the fuck ouf of that guy and i take it to a wall that the dps can reach through and attack from, probably takes less dmg that way
dawn canyon
streets bosses are all just not my cup of tea
oasis - dont like RP thing
security - give me back my weapons 
postmaster - dont make me go do stuff
3 guys - the succ sucks
soazmi - i charge into the moving things and get sad
strong forum
Oasis is just????
Mail room is cool
Security is annoying but pwar is omega good vs him
3 guys is shit
Soazmi is free af
strong forum
Left side is boring tbh
strong forum
Easier for us, but boring
dawn canyon
kick dread aim corehound go afk
sick sentinel
my dps will lead to that we have an early mini boss 3 before the big dude dies, thats part of what im worrid about if i went to someones key and just hav like moral code against do them wrong
dawn canyon
they will overlap sometimes thats fine
sick sentinel
but, this is for like, maybe 30 score, and i need 150, haven't done either PF DOS HOA on fort, so next week i could just do a low one of those like 15 16, EZ
safe thistle
I always go top side in street I prefer more trash
echo egret
It's just a bit more awkward to line up heroism on bosses
median tulip
Lust first, mailroom and last, what's the issue?
echo egret
It's not ready for last
hazy edge
Lust first, third in menagerie, and mailroom
Donāt need lust for last boss heās super chill
sick sentinel
i like to go for the music boss first because its extremely free and then the mail room trash is also pretty free kinda boss too
safe thistle
normally i lust first, mailroom and menagerie last boss is a joke
since i got top side i start the oasis rp, go straigh mailroom (open portal) do trash and boss then go back oasis straigh for the market thingy.
that key got plenty of time
sick sentinel
i just hold W attack things on the MDT
toxic pewter
I love soleah trinket itās so good having more haste
cinder nova
Ew
sick sentinel
I won't use it but I got a 262 spare meat hook
toxic pewter
I won't use it but I got a 262 spare meat hook
I actually used that for a bit because I couldnāt get any other trinket
sick sentinel
it's not the worst thing ever but it's so forgetable
cinder nova
Wat trinkets u use
278 Phial + 272 Chains or 265 Sigil.
modern brook
Fatty trinks
chrome falcon
chains and sigil are both rough in m+ but surely sigil is 100x better
chains is giga stinky
waxen orbit
Chain has potential when used properly
Cut went pretty mental with it on Anduin so there are niche situations where it works
waxen orbit
Wat trinkets u use
Raid, Phial + Sack. M+, Phial + Scale/Aegis (Interchangeable)
undone verge
venth viable with the execute buff?
safe thistle
i still use aegis/ows cant see any phial drop š¦
and scale is as myth..... it only drop for my other tank class never for my warrior.
sweet summit
venth viable with the execute buff?
by definition, yes
still the worst one in every scenario 
safe thistle
venth wasnt good before buff why would it be after when the normal one get buffed for the same amount ?
š
sweet summit
condemn needs to generate 90 rage per cast tbh
modern brook
Yeah that's make it viable
mighty valley
they're clearly scared of condemn being good
It's all good, we ended up with the fun spec
modern brook
It was a terrible idea for a borrowed power mechanic
sweet summit
hope to god spear becomes a talent rather than any other covenant ability
modern brook
Dig the newpfp
sweet summit
modern brook
Spears sick on prot whatever on the other two
Sudden death replaced by condemn equivalent on arms at least in 10 0
mighty valley
banner got good on top of a pile of other systems
modern brook
Quote me now
mighty valley
they can't really port it
sweet summit
yeah banner without glory is kinda poopoo
and AA feels like shit since it's hard capped
modern brook
I have to drive now but I'm right and I'll read what u got later
sweet summit
chilly brook
hope to god spear becomes a talent rather than any other covenant ability
No fuck spear, give banner with glory built in
dusky mica
why not both
chilly brook
Because spear is boring
AA is def a better option imo, probably would need to be uncapped though
dusky mica
Banner is total beans on the other specs, it would need some number tweaking
chilly brook
They donāt even bother unnerfing it after fury and arms have both sunk down to just above bottom
dusky mica
aye
chilly brook
Imagine nerfing a spec before even seeing how it will behave with the added power and before everyone else gets their added power
dusky mica
Surprised Prot hasn't been giga buffed to up representation
chilly brook
Iām surprised theyāre giving us an extra 15% on execute
Like sure Iāll take an extra 15% to further cement the fact that weāre the best execute class in the game
sweet summit
No fuck spear, give banner with glory built in
idk if i'd like that
would need a lot higher base rage generation, and if we get that banner would have to get nerfed too
chilly brook
idk if i'd like that
would need a lot higher base rage generation, and if we get...
I donāt know if banner would need to be nerfed
Nothing about us as is is currently broken
Higher rage generation would be welcomed
As a base that is
sweet summit
400 of a stat is a lot
and if it somehow has 100% uptime as well
it's giga strong
pallid quiver
Just let prot warriors solo raids, then we don't have to worry about that
There's my requisite shitpost for the day
sweet summit
i guess a lot of banners strength is in veterans repute, so maybe it's okay?
onyx vessel
i guess a lot of banners strength is in veterans repute, so maybe it's okay?
Banners strength is how it helps your team
chilly brook
it's giga strong
Sure in a vacuum
The thing is even with the strength of it, weāre not exactly overperforming
onyx vessel
Expection to be top end every xpac
chilly brook
Spear is boring <:wokege:878564603137761342>
It is
onyx vessel
Least boring
chilly brook
Itās literally hey do damage
onyx vessel
Aa looks like shit and long cd
chilly brook
And oh I guess you get a tether
onyx vessel
Lines with nothing
chilly brook
The knockdown is far and away the most useful CC offered on any of the covenant abilities
onyx vessel
.5 sec knock
chilly brook
You just press it on CD
chilly brook
.5 sec knock
Which interrupts castsā¦..
onyx vessel
onyx vessel
Why would they give us borrowed power
chilly brook
We already saw convoke in the talent tree bruv
chilly brook
Again itās very unlikely they make 4 abilities
chilly brook
And donāt put them in the tree after people got attached
And especially when people really like the abilities
chilly brook
Itās not dreaming but ok
onyx vessel
Gotta give it to boomkins cuz they cry
sweet summit
xd
chilly brook
No thatās warlocks
onyx vessel
Nah
onyx vessel
Locks can be 0 dps still taken if they gate and summon
onyx vessel
Im not saying in game
Outside of game the whinny ones are boomkins
Rn warlocks cuz you move mobs out rof
Or dont get invited on explosive weeks cuz of they cant hit them
hardy ridge
idk man my warlock cries more than the 3 boomkins combined
kind prairie
ionic fern
With Reprisal you can start off with 80%+ BLOCKED HITS.
Don't look at just up-time, that information is almost useless.
Check for "Blocked hits" from logs.
pallid quiver
To sorta piggy-back off that, technically, uptime where you're not blocking something with it is wasted uptime, in a sense.
The most important thing is that it's up for when you need to block something, which the blocked hits stat is for
scenic mural
can yall log into wow rn on NA? mine is stuck on retrieving realm
thorny sierra
can yall log into wow rn on NA? mine is stuck on retrieving realm
same thing happened to me just now
scenic mural
unfortunate. hope its resolved soon
chilly brook
can yall log into wow rn on NA? mine is stuck on retrieving realm
Negative just tried
Same issue
scenic mural
very sadge. need to push my key bit more
chilly brook
To sorta piggy-back off that, technically, uptime where you're not blocking some...
Not really as shield block does increase shield slam damage by a non insignificant amount
mighty valley
it's not totally wasted but if you're taking many unblocked hits just to increase ss damage a touch you're fucking up
pallid quiver
^^^ That, particularly in Mythic +. Considering just how often things are swinging at you, it's a bit wasted to have it only for damage when there's so many hits to take. If we're talking during time periods when you're unable to take a melee hit (boss only casting, raid phases where you're not tanking or something), you can probably (read: nigh guaranteed) afford to spend a shield block charge to make sure you have one rolling at all times for more damage, but I have no idea if that's worth it in AoE as compared to using the rage for more revenges; i dunno, i ain't a major theorycrafter and that situation in AoE that nothing's melee'ing you is extremely rare
ionic fern
Don't overcomplicate this. In M+ you are more often than not getting smacked so you get both the defensive & offensive benefit from SS.
The "i use SB for damage" is mostly in Raids when your co-tank is tanking or as you mentioned when the boss is casting something in m+.
pallid quiver
Yeah, that's why I originally was trying to keep uptime not blocking in M+ effectively wasted before getting to wonky bits like the damage
floral trench
Hmm
Unless I'm missing something, it seems like SB for damage alone isn't worth it versus just dumping that rage into revenge, unless you have so much rage that you're capping
floral trench
Okay, so I'm definitely missing something, then
onyx matrix
Block block block block
floral trench
oh, obviously if you're actively tanking SB is worth it
I was talking about the offtanking scenario where you're not taking any hits
mighty valley
Damage is good, SS is a primary source of damage, letting SB overcap is wasting resources
strong meteor
Hi guys. New prot warr here, still lvling the char (lvl 20). Im going for dungeon queue now but i also like questing. Playing wod since was one of my fav lvling experience in wow. My question is simple, how do i compensate our lack of self healing, for example, in elites fights. With normal mobs im not having problems but with elites im getting wreckedā¦ ty in advance
dawn canyon
With Shieldblock up you will take very little damage
The "healing" thing will get a LOT better later on
strong meteor
With Shieldblock up you will take very little damage
But in lvl 20 i still cant have 100% uptime
mighty valley
Yeah donāt worry about it for now, you donāt have to solo elites while leveling much
pallid quiver
hence the entirely overcomplicated conversation we just had that you can mostly ignore
dawn canyon
But you can get damn close to 100%
strong meteor
Ok ty i will prob skip elites fights for now
pallid quiver
As long as you are blocking the punchy, you become extremely survivable
dawn canyon
If you are doing dungeons just tell the healer to heal you 
pallid quiver
When you are not, you are having hurt come in, so if you have any stuns/fears/kiting available, that can help with elites
onyx matrix
It will be so interesting seing how the warrior talent tree will look like in dragonflight
pallid quiver
I assume they're trying to do the party elite quests where it recommends like three mobs
mighty valley
When you get the Indomitable talent it will help keep you alive through chip damage
Plus when you pull a bunch you get victory rush resets
strong meteor
When you are not, you are having hurt come in, so if you have any stuns/fears/ki...
Lvl 20 we still have so little things to press ššš
pallid quiver
i haven't levelled a warrior since the level squish i can't remember what abilities we get when, i tried to keep it general ;-;
pallid quiver
Storm Bolt at least is in the 25 tier
mighty valley
After 20 you start leveling real fast, things will change quickly
pallid quiver
Oh, Shockwave is at level 21, so you can use that to help with the elites, as well
strong meteor
Ty all for the replys. My vulpera friend will apreciate not getting so hammered all the time ššš
dawn canyon
That's what they are there for
But i have a very important question
What shield transmog are you using
floral trench
Damage is good, SS is a primary source of damage, letting SB overcap is wasting ...
That entirely depends on what resource you're constrained by, doesn't it? Like, here:
Shield Slam is 85.1% AP, Revenge is 63%. Hitting Shield Block increases the damage of the next 1-3 (depending on reset luck and haste) shield slams by 30%, or, put differently, deals 25.53-76.59% AP as damage depending on how many SS casts you get in the SB window.
The same 30 rage, spent on Revenge, buys you 1.5 Revenge casts for 94.5% AP damage, which beats what you can get from an enhanced SB. Having one outburst proc makes it pretty close to a tie, and having two makes shield block the objectively better button to push.
So, if the primary constraining resource is rage, then I think revenge is the better option, but that's a pretty big if. I haven't been playing warrior terribly long, but even with devastator I have a lot of buttons to be pressing, and I only rarely find myself actually out of rage.
I think the goal of SB's increased SS damage wasn't to make it a buff you wanted to push to increase DPS, but rather compensation so you wouldn't feel bad hitting your mitigation when you could be hitting revenge for more DPS. You still end up feeling bad, though, because you don't get SS resets from SB and it's ST only, but not as bad as you could feel, I suppose.
dawn canyon
Great choice
jagged pier
That entirely depends on what resource you're constrained by, doesn't it? Like, ...
without any extrnal factors revenge hits around 1400-1500 range, SS is around 2.7k without buff
if u buff SS with SB it does around 3.5k
so spending 30 rage for 2-3 SBs is the same/ more than the revenges u get.
if u have outburst on top its already miles better
onyx matrix
kek
jagged pier
and also u actually want to spend that rage now anyway, for more outburst, which is more rage, which is more everything etc etc
onyx matrix
what do you use then? kek
onyx matrix
reskin old
jagged pier
i mean its used far less than that one
onyx matrix
and ugly btw
floral trench
without any extrnal factors revenge hits around 1400-1500 range, SS is around 2....
Again, that's why I stress the importance of figuring out what the limiting resource actually is. How hard each ability hits is irrelevant if the limiting resource is damage - you care about efficiency - but if the limiting resource is time, then suddenly rage costs become much less relevant.
dawn canyon
The radiance shield from EP own too
ionic fern
old and boring mog
No you.
jagged pier
Again, that's why I stress the importance of figuring out what the limiting reso...
but u should be pushing damage
and u should be fueling rage
and u should be using it when not tankiong
the only limiting factor
floral trench
... that's what I'm saying
jagged pier
is u want 2 charges back as u start tanking
just not pressing it
is dumb
and the wrong thing to do
floral trench
you haven't actually said why that's wrong, because just staring at the tuning on abilities, that doesn't seem like it's actually the case
jagged pier
its wrong because its less damage
floral trench
so unless I'm missing something - and I'm new to prot, I could be! - I think revenge is more damage over time
strong forum
SB is more dmg than revenge if you can squeeze in more than 1 SS per SB window
Which on average is quite likely
onyx matrix
cause didnt get it
hard pass there buddy
strong forum
And it's off gcd
Revenge is on GCD so more often than not you'll have to resort to spending rage on IP and SB to prevent overcapping cuz revenge alone isn't enough
jagged pier
hard pass there buddy
let me guess u use the BRF transmog as well?
literally based take
floral trench
again:
Shield block increases shield slam damage by 30%. This means you're getting 30% of shield slam's damage every time you use it in the next three seconds. Shield Slam does 85.1% of your AP, so 30% of that is about 25% of AP, meaning that depending on how many SS resets you get during SB, pushing SB will effectively deal 25-75% AP damage
The same 30 rage could be spent to cast revenge 1.5 times, for about 95% AP as damage.
There's some slightly more complicated math for figuring out the value of outburst procs based on haste and pooled rage going into the SB window, but it's not really terribly relevant.
Of course, this all only holds true if rage is the limiting factor, as I said before - if GCDs are, then of course you'll look DPET over efficiency, and with an absolute boatload of rage gen (hero+enh+necrolord, for example) then I could see doing all of the above at once.
onyx matrix
let me guess u use the BRF transmog as well?
oh yea all the time
and you use some shiny knight armor set that is a re-skin
jagged pier
nope
jagged pier
my tmog has been approved by Nome which means its literally orginial
dawn canyon
(was it nome im not sure)
onyx matrix
by who? xD!
dawn canyon
Yes
ionic fern
Don't bully BRF. I'm rocking that set.
dawn canyon
The one with elite and everything
jagged pier
Don't bully BRF. I'm rocking that set.
based
dawn canyon
strong forum
The one with elite and everything
dawn canyon
Yep
dawn canyon
Ill have one of everything please
onyx matrix
dawn canyon
Every single recolour and reskin of t6(mythic, elite, Mt and original)
Once we get different Hand tmog options you can add the HC and normal one
And the pvp coloration from tbc
strong forum
Pvp one is in
dawn canyon
Oh nvm i see that
strong forum
That's the gloves
strong forum
Ya is pretty popular set
floral trench
Also, what is this SB vs Revenge argument going on.
I'm new and trying to figure out the justification for using SB to enhance SS damage when not actively tanking over using revenge one and a half times for the same rage cost.
I did just notice SS r4 increasing damage on SS by 20%, which obviously skews the efficiency numbers toward SS.
strong forum
Like I said, if you can fit 2 or more SS in the SB window it's a dmg gain over revenge
And then the whole rage management shenanigans
Easiest thing to figure out that kinda stuff is to play around with the APL
strong meteor
cmon guys, why dont you go with a bulky tower shield?
I have to farm that skin. My char is brand new. I have the one i use cause of pvp in my main.
strong forum
If you wanna tryhard it you can create trial HM tauren and check the cave
Can test that way multiple times a day
dawn canyon
I have to farm that skin. My char is brand new. I have the one i use cause of pv...
You go to a highmountain cave where the treasures are and go around looking for that item
strong forum
You don't even have to go around
strong forum
When you enter the cave an emote plays
dawn canyon
If it's up
strong forum
Ye
jagged pier
i member when u just needed to log in and out to get it
pallid quiver
Walk in and there's an emote; in case you're scared of the emote not showing, you can even poll a script to tell you if the event's active or not
dawn canyon
I got it first attempt so ig it's up a lot
jagged pier
scared my GM that day thought i had an issue
pallid quiver
i mean i don't remember the / command, but it exists
dawn canyon
Find it on wowhead
jagged pier
āļø
strong forum
That's fixed tho
dawn canyon
I got it first try 
strong forum
Doesn't work anymore
pallid quiver
I literally got it at random one day
Same for the Arms appearance; I just logged on and was like, "What's this dialogue about?"
and then i fought saurfang
strong forum
Well they were both special
strong forum
Cuz both were bugged
Arms one didn't spawn until 2 months into being available
Cuz they forgot to enable the quest
pallid quiver
I remember hearing about that after the fact
dawn canyon
Arms > fury hidden
pallid quiver
Arms > fury hidden <:peepo:938582175522107442>
hard agree
onyx matrix
love the sword
jagged pier
looks nice tho
dawn canyon
The inside
strong forum
Except I use the shoulders and a muuuuuuuuuch better shield
dawn canyon
Of that shield
floral trench
is garbage
dawn canyon
Is depression
floral trench
ye
strong forum
With like a 0.03% drop rate
dawn canyon
Which one
strong forum
Bloodseekers bulwark
floral trench
outside of the shield isn't bad
strong forum
It fits, but bloodseekers is literally perfect fit
jagged pier
i mean the back piece doesnt fit at all tbh
dawn canyon
Oh i have that
pallid quiver
I have problems in not using the mogu-face pandaland shields; I'll use any color of them, but not many other shields at the moment
strong meteor
You go to a highmountain cave where the treasures are and go around looking for ...
Well have to go there then ty šš¼šš¼
floral trench
yeah, I'll get it eventually
this character is all of... fifteen hours old
been gearing up first
dawn canyon
It fits, but bloodseekers is literally perfect fit
It's inside also blows
dawn canyon
The play is trial characters and spam it, ye?
strong forum
Actually I think I still miss a staff, but who cares about those
dawn canyon
^^
strong forum
The play is trial characters and spam it, ye?
Not quite
It's a bit more.... Exploity
dawn canyon
strong forum
Cuz you need 3 people to do the assault
Aswell as needing the assault to be up
What you do is, just don't leave the assault with that character
Only log off
onyx matrix
ah legion assault?
dawn canyon
What you do is, just don't leave the assault with that character
Loot guy log off
strong forum
Then after 5min log back in again, and you'll spawn in the instance again
And you can loot it again
pallid quiver
I care about getting as many staves as possible simply because it makes my mage friend extremely mad that I have (or rather had at this point) more staff transmogs than him
strong forum
Repeat that with 3 characters that can loot the item you want
And youre basically in an infinite loop of grinding the same assault
Valsharah assault is the fastest cuz there's no RP
strong forum
Ye
strong forum
Gotta get lucky to get into the assault to begin with tho
Cuz there's nobody doing them
onyx matrix
rarely yea
onyx matrix
is it possible to solo emerald nightmare on mythic?
sweet summit
yea
sweet summit
yea
strong forum
Pls tell me you're not going for the dk set
onyx matrix
illusion
onyx matrix
whats wrong with that set anyways?
dawn canyon
very very very overused
onyx matrix
havent seen a single person use it in months
dawn canyon
If you go to oribos and inspect any DK
50% of them will wear it
Other half will wear the blue antorus stuff
onyx matrix
the ones ive met has been using either t10 hc or smth else
strong forum
Every warri and their mom used the nighthold dk set forever
And I just don't see it
Up until mid bfa I thought that set was just leveling gear
floral trench
I use the mythic 8.3 stuff on my DK
strong forum
What
floral trench
strong forum
Okay I can't stay respectful here
onyx matrix
I actually havent seen many use world defiler t-mog in a long time now
dawn canyon
Because it's shit
strong forum
I saw one yesterday, but you don't see it for a good reason
onyx matrix
why is it shit? cus you dont like it?
jagged pier
i mean all tmog is subjective
onyx matrix
you guys really have a bad taste sometimes ngl
strong meteor
Still work in progress, missing the hands
onyx matrix
like 90%
dawn canyon
you guys really have a bad taste sometimes ngl
Thats why im here
jagged pier
i mean BRF is literally the i cant tmog anything good set
onyx matrix
yea it says alot
dawn canyon
You cant tell me the World defiler Set is good
ionic fern
i mean BRF is literally the i cant tmog anything good set
What if i like it? o.o
lofty widget
cant go wrong with warri t3 and thunderfury
strong forum
^
dawn canyon
^
strong forum
A man of taste
onyx matrix
i mean BRF is literally the i cant tmog anything good set
link us your beloved "cool" transmog set and show us how a perfect transmog should look like
jagged pier
What if i like it? o.o
then thats on you, but im still gunna say its boring tmog because everyone warrior uses it
onyx matrix
What if i like it? o.o
its very good
onyx matrix
he cant look at it that way
dawn canyon
cant go wrong with warri t3 and thunderfury <:okayge:917646812519739433>
Skull of ruin shield with tfury then its bis
onyx matrix
just let him
ionic fern
Idk what your set is but there's the same chance of me telling the same about your set.
Smh.
strong forum
See this
ionic fern
See, jeah, no..i don't like that.
strong forum
This is crafted well
ionic fern
š¤·
jagged pier
or this one
strong forum
It's not smth I'd use
onyx matrix
another hideous old set
ionic fern
So what now?
WE FIGHT.
jagged pier
they arent sets tho
strong forum
But it's matched exceedingly well
jagged pier
š¤
dawn canyon
It's a Mix of Sets at least
onyx matrix
+1
jagged pier
thats the whole point of tmog
if u use a full set
your not putting in anything yourself
dawn canyon
The best tauren tmog is the heritage pants + nothing
jagged pier
The best tauren tmog is the heritage pants + nothing <:peepo:938582175522107442>
well yer
floral trench
My transmogs are usually matched chest/legs/boots, different shoulders, cloak, and belt
onyx matrix
no, the best t-mog is to be naked with a stick
jagged pier
but i have too many meme tmogs
floral trench
there are just too many texture issues between sets when you look at chest/legs/boots
onyx matrix
there are just too many texture issues between sets when you look at chest/legs/...
ikr
jagged pier
My transmogs are usually matched chest/legs/boots, different shoulders, cloak, a...
that wouldnt work for me if u are using 3 main pieces of a set the set blizz has done the work for you imo
dawn canyon
Still waiting for someone else to post a Set 
onyx matrix
post yours phil
ionic fern
I do like that shield tho - which one is that?
jagged pier
Still waiting for someone else to post a Set <:gladge:963970137701109820>
i gave you 2
strong forum
Magetower
dawn canyon
i gave you 2
Other than you i meant
onyx matrix
you get a flail with it
strong forum
Breh during beta I was already hungry for it
floral trench
meh, the goal is to have something that you like the look of - snubbing stuff because "it was meant to look good" is hipster stupidity in my book
strong forum
But it took a whole year until they released it
ionic fern
strong forum
dawn canyon
post yours phil
Dont have it on my phone
strong forum
Btfo'd all of you
jagged pier
thats pog
sweet summit
ew
strong meteor
That looks like a gremlinā¦ i like it
dawn canyon
Kelthuzad shield
ionic fern
^
strong forum
You literally can not win
onyx matrix
Dont have it on my phone
bleh
sweet summit
vulpera š¤¢
sweet summit
real
strong forum
You can't resist that smile erga
dawn canyon
What mwahi said
strong forum
Stop lying to yourself
sweet summit
i have literally never lied
ionic fern
That's a lie.
sweet summit
no
dawn canyon
W
sweet summit
fake
jagged pier
thats mod properganda changing the logs
sweet summit
real
blazing condor
This u
dawn canyon
both pfp has blue
jagged pier
mwahi always catching lies like the time yogi lied about not wasting rage
just let ppl lie man
ionic fern
š„²
sweet summit
onyx matrix
jagged pier
Everyone lies.
onyx matrix
@sweet summit
sweet summit
onyx matrix
love those boots, where are those from? I remember they didnt have that skin in icc
dawn canyon
since the icc set wasnt finished
they added belt and legs in bfa
and i got them for idk 3k gold
onyx matrix
noice
dawn canyon
weapons and legs are the weak spot currently but im no mood to swap
dawn canyon
glasses are the i cant think of a helm item for me
strong forum
That's a "hide helmet" moment