Hey guys if you lose aggro, blame the dps
#protection
onyx matrix
dawn canyon
Yea
onyx matrix
Nop
dawn canyon
Raid kinda dead
shell fox
wait i have a image
shell fox
onyx matrix
Wtf?
shell fox
the true nerf
onyx matrix
I was happy for a sec there
onyx vessel
Boomkin complainers
dawn canyon
Fuck them birds
sick sentinel
I reviewed footage again last night of plague fall with ghost buster trap, looks like I tried to use it to close to the boss and so then it gets consumed on the very next frame
the use item bar completes, but then I never see it on screen so I assume that's what happened due to postioning
sick sentinel
are you implying you had aggro issues yesterday 
sick sentinel
are you implying you had aggro issues yesterday <:dandy:809705852658253844>
this is a "didn't bring rogue/hunter / didn't press buttons" issue
sick sentinel
dawn canyon
this is a "didn't bring rogue/hunter / didn't press buttons" issue
i was playing dps with him tanking
sick sentinel
alot of aggro can be fixed by simply trick, fade, md, fd, etc on CD
and tank does thing they supposed to too
dawn canyon
gl fading as fury warrior
sick sentinel
idk justg press divine toll on start of the pull
GIB blessing of santc pl0x
maybe thats the real play, arms warrior goes alpha strike on mobs known to do all parry-able attacks, and then hits die and face tanks for 8 seconds.
woeful bramble
guys is prot viable as tank cause im thinking it as offspec or should i make an alt like brew or dk?
lofty widget
yes prot is viable both in raid and up to like +28/29 keys
woeful bramble
and for covenant necro right?
lofty widget
yes
sick sentinel
assuming you have at least 2/4 set helps necro
2/4 and 4/4 makes a difference, not that you cant at 0/4
sick sentinel
yeah well as long asd you can keep your 4/4 and both leggos, assuming both 291's, your good
mental scarab
You dont ”need” tank trinkets
woeful bramble
i mean blood scale is a nice one
sick sentinel
trinkets is more about use the best dps ones you got available to you
lofty widget
you really dont up to like 22/23 ish
mental scarab
Yea indie that and sack 
woeful bramble
my legos are signet and the unity ofc
lofty widget
can just run double dps trinkets
median tulip
You want as much Haste as possible; everything else is just details
If you have So'leah's already that's a good trinket
sick sentinel
up to a point with haste yes
median tulip
That point being around 40% Haste
sick sentinel
once at 40% haste to stat, you lose 20% of further haste stat number into the void
woeful bramble
what?? does prot has threshold at haste too?
ok i know fury is nice to have 25-32%
median tulip
It's just DR; everyone gets DR
woeful bramble
oh ok
sick sentinel
or, to put it another way, you are only gaining 0.8 haste instead of 1 haste after 40%
median tulip
For the most part though, you itemise like this:
Tier > Strength > Haste > else
sick sentinel
so, my advice has always been to shoot for as close to 40% as you can and then just whatever else you want for v/m/c
median tulip
Mostly after you have put on your max STR and max Haste options you don't really have any choices left to make
So don't overthink it
woeful bramble
the only problem with prot is he suffers at magic dmg and bleeds..
median tulip
How many people really have multiple 278 wrist options to choose from, after all?
sick sentinel
with all that said, mastery pairs worst with haste, but if you get haste mastery, it is what it is
strong forum
the only problem with prot is he suffers at magic dmg and bleeds..
It's not rly an issue unless it's very frequent
With the absurd rage gen we have now, through indom and IP Spam you don't rly notice it until it goes on for prolonged times
They are inherently our biggest weakness, but not as big as people make it out to be unless you play like a vdh where you don't kick casts cuz they heal instantly up again in aoe
median tulip
Halls and PF are the dungeons where it's significant
sick sentinel
with urh in keys it doesn't really matter what we have pulled as long as we are doing basic things and using CD's we will live it, you just simply hit cds and don't stand in stuff, do attacks
strong forum
Halls and PF are the dungeons where it's significant
Actually the bleed applied from the dogs isn't as big an issue since blocking the application dmg reduces the overall of the bleed, the issue comes when you have 10 stacks and the dogs enrage
median tulip
Actually the bleed applied from the dogs isn't as big an issue since blocking th...
It's not the dogs I'm worried about it's those fucking obliterators
strong forum
Well ye, kick game gotta be on point
If 1 goes through, okay, but multiple is death
sick sentinel
urh resets all of the healers mana and resets pwar cds at least 1 time fully, so healer has full mana, dps has full cds, and then tank also
median tulip
I have PTSD from the Fortified Bolstering week in Halls; those Wicked Bolts fucking hurt
strong forum
Urh is great indeed
dawn canyon
urh during xab
strong forum
I have PTSD from the Fortified Bolstering week in Halls; those Wicked Bolts fuck...
They even buffed those bolts by like 20% coming into s2 or s3 I believe
median tulip
They even buffed those bolts by like 20% coming into s2 or s3 I believe
I know 
sick sentinel
i still hate halls from a pug perspective
median tulip
In Halls you're at the mercy of your DPS doing a decent kick rotation, and, wel... you know how sketchy DPS can be
sick sentinel
too much going on in a pug for a +20halls with a pwar and no voice comms or real mdt route to speak of, would be sketchy doubtful if they time it
thorny sierra
272 one hand weapon with haste+verse stats or 278 one hand weapon with critical+mastery stats?
echo egret
Actually the bleed applied from the dogs isn't as big an issue since blocking th...
Can you elaborate ? I don’t see in the spell description that the bleed depends on the damage inflicted ?
strong forum
the game very rarely tells you exactly how stuff works
but jagged swipe is one of the few abilities whos dmg output of its dot are based on how much dmg they deal when theyre being applied
so if you block the jagged swipe hit, youll also have reduced how much dmg the applied bleed will do to you over its course
echo egret
(Maths teacher mode ON)
How do we know that ?
strong forum
reverse engineering
echo egret
Ok
strong forum
lemme find some better
echo egret
It was rather obvious already 🙂
Not sure it’s important but is there a database of such not-obvious mechanisms ?
strong forum
na
actuall yeah this already shows it
69% of the bleed is being mitigated already
if it wasnt blocked it would be around 20% mitigated
chrome falcon
woke up and remembered the execute buff
what a good day
100% certain there's a prot main on the balance team who just snuck that in and hoped no-one would notice
strong forum
its moreso that arms and prot have the same spells
and they just didnt bother adjusting it for prot with auras
chrome falcon
oh is our execute just the same id
strong forum
ye
robust rover
Fury execute is different?
strong forum
yes
strong forum
fury execute and condemn is a generator and does more dmg per cast
dawn canyon
Fury execute is different?
its excute rank 2 thats different for arms and fury
which changes the ID
since theirs instead of losing cooldown
goes to generate
robust rover
Maybe it was not a mistake and specifically a way to buff both specs
robust rover
👍
strong forum
everybody who knows current pwar would never buff execute dmg
chrome falcon
and they think we're such a dogshit class that they don't care
we were already close to the best execute dps in the game
now i don't think it's close
robust rover
16 PF!
strong forum
grats
strong forum
That's 100% a finding nemo quote
sick sentinel
i have to get the mount..... why? because its red
dawn canyon
That's 100% a finding nemo quote
thats probably for darkness, ye?
strong forum
probably
dawn canyon
maybe autodarkness proc
sick sentinel
i died to something typing to group over explain i'm pretty happy with that key
strong forum
maybe autodarkness proc
na thats a legendary
sick sentinel
darkness is like whatever to me, if its there, cool, if not, meh
dawn canyon
na thats a legendary
yea but i can see this being a weakaura for that lego
although idk why ud run that in keys
sick sentinel
i didn't catch what dh said
highlight of key, tC this close mob with this guy targeted, targeted gets bobomb attached to him and pulls, lived EZ
torpid junco
How impactful is the execute buff
hazy edge
About a 3% overall dps buff on st
jagged girder
Would you play execute conduit instead of thunderclap one for m+?
chrome falcon
yeah
sick sentinel
yes, show of force is bad
dawn canyon
its not
sick sentinel
argument against it i heard was that AJ is just more dps than sof in most cases even in m+
onyx matrix
Hahahaha😂😂😂😂😂
strong forum
nobody kicks, nobody uses Lust unless told, nobody does dmg
nobody does explosives!!
onyx matrix
Welcome to being top dps aswell as prot warr!
sick sentinel
group up the adds best you can, drop ravager early, blow all your CDS keep attack and move out of shit and pray
thick wedge
Naw the worst is when you have low defensives and dps start pulling extra stuff to go faster, we wipe, and they leave
onyx matrix
Naw the worst is when you have low defensives and dps start pulling extra stuff ...
Classic
strong forum
but holy fuck
if they wouldve had ANY worse tank
they wouldnt have timed the key
wtf man
onyx matrix
What key was it
strong forum
hoa 17
sick sentinel
just gotta take a big dose of copium and pray it will all turn out alright, then agin nome is talking about EZ +23 no doubt
onyx matrix
Kek
sick sentinel
wait for context whats the key
strong forum
wait for context whats the key
hoa 17, i just said it
thick wedge
Says so in the contract can’t blame them
strong forum
bro 1 of the warlocks played fire and brimstone
thick wedge
LOL
thick wedge
no way
strong forum
yes way
thick wedge
My eyes
Ok nevermind here is your mad pass, you’re allowed to be mad now. Allow me to bleach my eyes
sick sentinel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdDu_hHPL1g pugging and watching the key deplete to stupid shit be like:
thick wedge
@ FireMage lulw
strong forum
his top dmg is ignite
sick sentinel
how the fuck do you get to 275 ilvl and not know what an invis potion is
thick wedge
WHAT
strong forum
yup.
thick wedge
go play the lottery right now
You’ve just gotten the black sheep of keys, all bad luck is gone. Ez W now
strong forum
ima go kill lichking
sick sentinel
im saved to LK and malygos RIP
strong forum
maybe i get invisible
sick sentinel
i believe
if you type "I believe." before the key starts you will time it every time works 99% of the time
strong forum
go play the lottery right now
you can watch the vod if you want
i streamed this pain
thick wedge
Dude I didn’t think there was actually a fire mage who never read his abilities and hopped into a +15 or higher
Did he just hard cast flame strikes and Phoenix flame everything for AoE with giga mastery?
strong forum
i was already sceptical when i joined and saw 3 casters
sick sentinel
i streamed this pain
time for even more pain in a theatre of pain +18!
sick sentinel
i have lowe expecations and need to wait on the reset, but i'll let you guys know if it goes good
strong forum
top is very chill this week
worthy haven
hey
so
are you guys seriously keeping 100% up time on banner?
because good god damn that is not easy
i managed to get a full minute just now
thats my record
worthy haven
and i was just blasting as fast as my fingers could go
but the thing is, my PC is a potato
sick sentinel
in combat, not through out literal entire dungeon
worthy haven
and once every 2-3 minutes, ill get 1 frame rate drop to like 4 fps
sick sentinel
details shows combat so that works
worthy haven
and thats usually where i waste a bunch of rage
strong forum
well thats an issue, but only being able to last 1minute comes stems from other issues aswell
you gotta spend alot ofrage on revenge to get SS resets
worthy haven
yeah, i feel like prot warrior is the hardest tank to play perfectly
worthy haven
but its so god damn fun
my main is brew
because im just not that good of a player
and i can clear 20s on a brew even making shit tons of mistakes
but heroic leap, shouting, ignore pain, all fun as shit
strong forum
brew is playing with training wheels on indeed
worthy haven
i tried pally but its so god damn boring
and blood DK is so slow, vengeance DH spends too much time running away, and guardian druid is just lame
so im left with brew and prot
strong forum
well vdh doesnt kite alot anymore
with tier
cuz in aoe youll just get overloaded with souls
sick sentinel
i tried to do a +7 AD in bfa as brew and it didn't go very well
strong forum
also very easy to play
both prots are like the only "hard" tanks to play these days
while other tanks got alot easier this patch
war got alot harder to play optimally
only time prot is easy is during execute
vernal vale
100% certain there's a prot main on the balance team who just snuck that in and ...
Or they are part of community perception and think warrior should never hit execute.
strong forum
ya a friend of mine whos like top 10 dh world literally just said this morning "prot doesnt even hit execute this often why are you losing your shit"
worthy haven
yeah i get free word of glory like every 8 seconds it feels like on big pulls
urban portal
Prot pally is def easy yeah
strong forum
well they have like 4 cds
worthy haven
they have a 2min CD with potential cd reduc, and then a 5 min one, plus tons of OH SHIT buttons
urban portal
Cuz you have shield block up 100% of the time
onyx matrix
Fking pallies
onyx matrix
🤣
sick sentinel
also more difficult for us to interupt a mob, like say its standing where a patrol is just freecasting for days
urban portal
You also have the same rotation as your dps counterpart
vernal vale
are you guys seriously keeping 100% up time on banner?
I'm bad and have a few runs around 75% in keys
worthy haven
well sir
im super bad
and im hanging out at like 40%
so i jsu switched to NF
my solution is, if i cant do it after only running 2 keys
give up
strong forum
well yeah he played it specifically in HoA for the interrupt on casters
vernal vale
NF isn't bad necro is just better. Defensively, and offensively.
median tulip
Prot Pallys are easy mode. 2 interrupts, tons of AoE damage, front-loaded threat tools and good defensives. I'd ask what more they wanted, a Pony, but they get a fucking pony too
worthy haven
but like
vernal vale
I've been working hard to get my banner time up
vernal vale
I started only getting 40% or so of a dungeon
sick sentinel
imagining having to summon your my little pony action figurine to have to ride away on instead of leap out like olypian
strong forum
necro makes pwar literally 30% tankier than other covs
but yeh in 15s it doesnt matter
sick sentinel
i can't think of anything less humiliating
median tulip
It's actually harder to get good banner uptime in 15s than in higher keys
strong forum
ye
odd tree
Just gotta pull faster/bigger
Also helps having regulars you run with and trust to interrupt
vernal vale
This week with bolstering and explosives definitely doesn't help uptime. If explosives get out of hand because people don't hit them your in trouble. Keeps you from pulling as big and as fast as you want.
jagged pier
It's actually harder to get good banner uptime in 15s than in higher keys
i dunno i did 4 15-17 keys yesterday and had 90%+ in all of them
potent anvil
The one trick I do in pugs for people who don't help with explosive is to just pull bigger. If we wipe, they at least know why and will help kill explosives from now on. 
Or they ragequit and blame me for not knowing the affix
vernal vale
Or they ragequit and blame me for not knowing the affix
This is what happens to me every time.
potent anvil
I got the explosive scoreboard weakaura... I'm winning every time 
vernal vale
People rage and I'm like tab target like a boss as melee or mouseover instant cast as a range
median tulip
I feel for HolyPal and MWMonks this week
vernal vale
I got the explosive scoreboard weakaura... I'm winning every time <:okayge:91764...
I have the details plug-in and link it every run with pugs. I'm normally at the top unless I'm in a guild group
In a guild group the healer knows its thier job. ^.^
wooden widget
With banner… do we even want the free revenge? I’d rather it spend the fury.
With booming voice.
chrome falcon
that's what IP is for
wooden widget
So overwrite IP?
chrome falcon
you can literally ignore the text on IP
of what the ability actually does
all it does is spend 35 rage
wooden widget
Love that. I haven’t played prot war since classic. I am now struggling to spend rage smh
median tulip
The key thing about Ignore Pain is that it's a Rage Spender that's not on the global cooldown and doesn't have a cooldown of its own
wooden widget
The free one from outburst is just something blizz didn’t anticipate? Or does it count towards banner/2pc?
strong forum
it doesnt do anything
urban portal
The free one doesn’t interact with anything
strong forum
besides give you IP
wooden widget
Nice.
wooden widget
How dare they not know we’d all go necro
urban portal
Ip is like the Russian army, it’s useless but you get so much of it
wooden widget
Lol ^^
median tulip
Ip is like the Russian army, it’s useless but you get so much of it
LOL
wooden widget
Do you guys macro a healer/ ranged to intervene and charge back in. Or a melee for a quick revenge
Or something else
chrome falcon
i macro a melee at the start of the key
if you intervene out then charge in you waste a revenge
lose a global on the mobs
and probably overcap rage
median tulip
Do you guys macro a healer/ ranged to intervene and charge back in. Or a melee f...
I focus a melee and my macro intervenes them (unless I have a mouseover target, in which case I intervene on that person instead)
wooden widget
Leap and charge?
chrome falcon
it's not hard to find a charge just by backpedalling
chrome falcon
all good if you start doing keys and want help feel free to post logs
wooden widget
I probably will soon ty!
Bored of dh tank and my fury was just sitting there with the ilvl
Shield slam is a great button
vernal vale
I probably will soon ty!
Lots of people willing to help here.
chrome falcon
i need help myself 
i dropped my banner just before anduin p3 started and did dogshit execute damage on our mythic kill
vernal vale
Oh, no. You are officially in the bad club. JK
At least we have chicken.
Camping weekend means no dungeons for me. Might have a disgustingly bad vault.
strong forum
yogi truly out here ramping
vernal vale
free, go do TOP free key
We are all proud of you.
Gonna beat me to timing 20s at this rate.
wooden widget
Love to see the feral and retri
urban portal
Holy shit
16k feral
And look at those shaman deaths
Good think ankh is off the gcd
dawn canyon
whats the lock doing
sick sentinel
shaman died to alot of stupid shit yeah
"all our brezzes are on cd.." someone at some point that key
urban portal
Not pressing rof
wooden widget
What situations are people using booming voice over server cold?
vernal vale
What situations are people using booming voice over server cold?
I musing it all the time now.
Helps with banner uptime, and has really good boss damage.
Trash packs it's nearly as good as BSC
wooden widget
Hmm ok. Is demo shout not something I’ll need to hold for a buster? Gonna feel weird pressing on cd
strong forum
its a 45sec CD
vernal vale
Hmm ok. Is demo shout not something I’ll need to hold for a buster? Gonna feel w...
Press on CD
strong forum
ideally you should use it close to CD even just for defensive value
vernal vale
It'd up a lot
strong forum
unless you know youll need it specifically for X
wooden widget
Nice ok
vernal vale
im sticking to bsc
Your better than I am so you don't need the rage help lol
safe thistle
Arms
Mortal Strike damage increased by 10%. This change does not apply to PvP.
Overpower damage increased by 10%. This change does not apply to PvP.
Execute and Condemn damage increased by 15%. This also affects Protection Warriors. This change does not apply to PvP.
pumped
toxic pewter
What is a Protection Warriors favorite healer to play?
strong forum
druid
good throughput without the need for CDs and Bark is OP
but any well played healer is good
but druid compliments pwar the most id say
safe thistle
ya i like shammy cause they pump dps like crazy now
toxic pewter
I agree with you
ocean yoke
shaman a close one too for the interrupts alone
strong forum
shaman is alright, but the lack of external and poison/disease dispel is awful
and their hots/earthshield are extremely meh
doesnt compliment warri well
whereas druids hots are perfect
toxic pewter
Wat y’all think of mistweavers healing us? I feel like we bring the mitigation, they bring the throughput. Also nice melee Intervene target
ocean yoke
yeah i did most of my keys with druid, best shaman is enhance for windfury 
vernal vale
Always enhance shaman for our windsurf buff
strong forum
Mistweaver is huge amount of throughput
vernal vale
I like a good mistweaver but it's rare
safe thistle
so many rerolled cause they sucked for a godd chunk of the xpac first struggling with mana issue
toxic pewter
I won’t lie I played with a mistweaver the other night and I felt really supported
Yah true. Also their dmg is low from what I gather
safe thistle
if you wanna know, if you have a good group check healer dps.... the lower it is the more the group took dmg and failed mechanics ibelieve.
group effort some say i sucked on my healer on a key for my dps on my holy pal but they took every fucking dmg possible on trash and i couldnt focus on dps. its a group effort
the 15 bracket is the new 10 pug lol
vernal vale
15s are a crapshoot for how good they are.
safe thistle
is it me or with all those nerf anduin will be easier than hallondrus now
vernal vale
The nerfs really gut the raid.
vernal vale
Yeah, ill finally get it lol
vernal vale
you are working on jailor ?
I took a break from raiding when I left a bad team. Just joined a new team that's doing a small bit of rebuilding.
median tulip
Wat y’all think of mistweavers healing us? I feel like we bring the mitigation, ...
Mistweaver is nice for the extra physical damage buff, if that's useful for the rest of the party setup. But they fall behind on some weeks (including this week) due to affixes and mechanics.
toxic pewter
Ya Their 5% debuff is so good
I did a 21 spires couple nights ago and it was so smooth
median tulip
The thing with their 5% debuff is that very few classes get full value from it, because many (perhaps most) of the melee do a portion of damage as magic
median tulip
havoc dh is better and are a bitch to keep aggro off
Good news about that:
toxic pewter
The thing with their 5% debuff is that very few classes get full value from it, ...
True it’s weaker than magic debuff
urban portal
The monk debuff is worst in the game yeah
median tulip
When I'm play my Enhance shammie, I would outright prefer a DH to a Monk; although a melee spec, the vast majority of Enh damage is magic. Similar is true of DK and DH, and to a lesser extent Rogue
strong forum
Monk debuff is highly overestimated
median tulip
Monk debuff is highly overestimated
Do you mean the debuff, or as a healer, or just in general?
median tulip
Technically rsham is crazy with monk buff
Sure, but then you are taking a WW Monk, which is fine, because they are PDG
safe thistle
before buff there was no reason to bring a ww over dh anyway
median tulip
They were already AoE monstgers
urban portal
Dh does literal tank damage in mdi
Every team that plays havoc has their dps doing tank dam
While the ww is double their dps
strong forum
before buff there was no reason to bring a ww over dh anyway
WW does alot more dmg than havoc in keys
urban portal
Only thing havoc does is very solid st
safe thistle
well then i only saw piss poor ww
sick sentinel
"All search filter dropdowns now have a button that lets you easily remove all active filters."
wtf
strong forum
Havoc only does alright St, but in overall monk just does more
sick sentinel
what the hell does that mean
median tulip
Havoc has a better debuff and a better utility (if the DH knows how to use it, which is about 1% of DH)
strong forum
Ye
sick sentinel
2022 here
strong forum
But monk brings para, legsweep, dumb af aoe, and rop
sick sentinel
still cant sort my mounts by flies or nots
urban portal
Fairly sure dh brings less no?
strong forum
Actually dh brings the same
urban portal
Chaos nova=leg sweep, para~= imprison
strong forum
Trade rop for darkness
median tulip
Darkness is really good
urban portal
Rop is 45 seconds
distant crystal
i mean
urban portal
And is insane for kiting
strong forum
Ya but dh usually doesn't play that or
sick sentinel
i'll take darkness over rop any damn day
distant crystal
wut
urban portal
They can play stun
distant crystal
dh always plays that lol
urban portal
Nothings stopping them
median tulip
and ofc the DH brings 5% more damage for your Destrolock
urban portal
Most people are lazy and play free chaos nova
sick sentinel
rop can, not will, push mobs into other mobs u dont want to pull
strong forum
Well that
urban portal
and ofc the DH brings 5% more damage for your Destrolock
That doesn’t matter when ww does double the damage
strong forum
Is just playing too close to other mobs
toxic pewter
Mistweaver my favorite healer to heal me
urban portal
Prio damage 
distant crystal
and a purge
toxic pewter
They have lot of utility
distant crystal
when you already have apeshit aoe, prio dmg is the best way to speed up a key
grats you melted everything but the 1 high hp mob
strong forum
Havoc is alright, but having a monk burst for 150k in aoe is better
sick sentinel
darkness is generally safer and you can put dark down for any reason at all, even for a dps, so i think its more valuable in most scenarios
median tulip
I love Mistweavers in Raid; their entire thing is just "no, everyone stays at full HP"
distant crystal
the pull is still slow
urban portal
darkness is generally safer and you can put dark down for any reason at all, eve...
Darkness you have to stand in that spot
sick sentinel
10% flat DR is kinda huge for "just stand in this", on dps i think
urban portal
Is the problem
It’s also 20% chance to dodge
Not 10% dr
It’s rng mitigation also
distant crystal
darkness is fairly trash except for a few big dot situations
urban portal
The best situation is 3rd boss sanguine
distant crystal
dh has basically the control of a rogue
urban portal
And people can’t group for that cuz everyone yoinking orbs
sick sentinel
i didn't get along well with him, but we had a DH in bfa i knew, and he would always call out and want to know when i wanted him to do darkness
strong forum
Nah waat, you see the argument echo made Was this
Between monk and rogue
Sub rogue was brought for prio dmg but they wouldn't even do more prio dmg than surv and destro
Shroud is useless so why bring rogue
When you can instead bring WW with boatloads more aoe and rop
sick sentinel
thats how i know wtf a darkness is
median tulip
I can't remember the last time I actually grouped with a rogue
urban portal
Is echo playing ww for mdi now
strong forum
Nobody was playing rogue
toxic pewter
Ww is meta now after buffs even strongly cemented.
strong forum
And this is for high key pushing
And yeah now since the WW buffs it's 100% even more meta
urban portal
Also havoc isn’t that much prio damage since they just do their sim damage
median tulip
The worst healer right now is Disco, closely followed by the 2 melee healers IMO
sick sentinel
rogue also gets to choose between dot and proc posion main as well as slow or increase cast, far as i know you can only get the increased casting time for mobs via warlock curse of tongues
median tulip
Holy Priest and the 2 Restos are pretty much on a par, depending on what utility you want from them
sick sentinel
rogue doesn't seem like it, but good rogues make keys painless
urban portal
Also the monk buffs will put them simming equal to havoc on st
While bringing shit ton more aoe
median tulip
Rogues do have the thing where they can make everyone's priority target damage better. I forget which spec it is, but they have a thing that makes... I think it's Kidney Shot give everyone bonus damage
IDK, I've never played Rogue. I always bounce off it when levelling
urban portal
Yeah they have that
sick sentinel
yeah, not dirty tricks but its in that row
urban portal
All specs have it
sick sentinel
rogue talents are kinda poopy imo some of them, shame nobody ever tried the necro rogue infinite bleed
median tulip
IDEK what Cov rogues play TBH
strong forum
thats literally that feral is
is everything put into bite
other buttons dont do anything
sick sentinel
have to give druid credit here he was playing his ass off, this dude went well beyond the call of duty
sick sentinel
yeah, they are usually good
toxic pewter
If you guys were to play a healer which would you pick
sick sentinel
i like shaman because standee and lust primarily
median tulip
If you guys were to play a healer which would you pick
Resto Shaman
(spoiler: I have a 276 Shaman)
sick sentinel
i dunno if r-sham gets the fast kick
median tulip
12 base CD on Wind Shear
sick sentinel
but, shaman can bring alot, they can be slow to do their thing, but good group support
sick sentinel
druid healer can be pretty strong too with brez, and affinities for if shit goes wrong and have to go to another spec temp
mighty valley
I play a mw monk, it’s so bizarre but I really enjoy it
median tulip
Kick, Remote AoE stun, Remote AoE slow, Purge (for Resto Shaman)
sick sentinel
sort of shocking to me that you don't see resto druids doing shift between boomkin and tree
shell shale
distant crystal
you can't cast a lot of the heals in boomy
they stay caster form
there's tree form that's just a caster form cosmetic and there's incarn brocolli form
that's a talent/cd
man i can't spell broccoli to save my life
it always looks wrong
dawn canyon
That's just how the word is
distant crystal
motion to change spelling to brockly
sick sentinel
im 6/8 keys still hiding from that 19 pf
urban portal
Yeah that’s what I mean
sick sentinel
i liked the old permanent tree druid
median tulip
The best thing about the old tree druid form was when it glitched and did the death animation when casting
mighty valley
Everyone else got to show off their gear while druids looked like goofy ass trees the whole time
sick sentinel
what if pugging for 13's-16's is worse cuz those are full of malders desperate for KSM or some trinket who can't push
dawn canyon
Above 15 is better
Since that's not weekly andies
But people who remotely care about m+
ocean yoke
basically once its about score and not gear
sick sentinel
my old guild wanted to "run a 17, because then i get a +16 key in the chest incase we fail we still have a 15"
and so, i just did a 15 or 16 max by end
urban portal
Yeah 16s are easier than 15s are easier than 14s
safe thistle
ya to be honest its not that they are easier when you get higher key but the ppl you start playing with are just way better than the average Joe.
sick sentinel
dps decide to go ahead and get ready to pull 3 to right, want to solo giant first, we die, suprise pikachu.jpg
safe thistle
you seems to pick only the worst pug possible or what dps should never pull for tank.
sick sentinel
lack of proper communications
sick sentinel
i should have communicated the route i am comfortable with and did on time once this week
safe thistle
theres no "route" on low key its only clear a way to x boss and kill it youll get 100% by end for sure
dawn canyon
Think he was running his 18
safe thistle
if you dont go conventional and do skip you should link the route to the group
dont assume they know it
play as if you know they are idiot that need to be told even to wipe their ass
sick sentinel
caught in 4k
safe thistle
thats the only way you can make pugs work by leading, planning
sick sentinel
safe thistle
tyrannical why you didnt skipped to get the lust early on first boss with slime ?
sick sentinel
my thinking is that tyranical the trash is easier so just W through trash, on fort, try to skip or CC if its possible
safe thistle
doesnt work like that
you want to optimize your number of lust by doing no skip you will have 1 less lust during the dungeon
fort you wanna skip only tricky pack like narzudah in NW
sick sentinel
i had a good key on NW 1617 i think, timed that
lean wind
Shield block is up. Ignore pain is near full. Still rage capped all the time in aoe. Im spamming revenge every time I can. Is this just how it is or?
lean wind
IP cap > Rage cap?
dawn canyon
Yes
lean wind
Yeah I mean sometimes its like 90%
chrome falcon
play as if the only text on IP is "spend 35 rage"
dawn canyon
Doesnt matter
chrome falcon
because that's all it does
dawn canyon
Press the Button
chrome falcon
if you're sitting at rage cap
you're wasting avatar cooldown
and tier set
and shield wall cooldown
and indom
dawn canyon
Overcap is horribly bad as prot
chrome falcon
this class exists to do 3 things
block shit
generate rage
spend rage
nothing else matters
lean wind
Ooh now I understand better. Its just spam for the sake of using it for other stuff. Not actually IP.
safe thistle
see iut as a CD reducer 😛
chrome falcon
don't track IP
sick sentinel
hrmmmm
lean wind
Now I'm confused. IP is 55%. Why is that bad?
chrome falcon
because it caps at 2x base value
and goes away in 1 auto
it's not bad per se
it definitely contributes to our survival
but wasting rage is terrible
looking at the first 20 seconds of an average boss pull on mythic i press IP either 9 or 10 times and it's still barely enough to spend all my rage
strong forum
IP is currently only good because we can ultra spam it
chrome falcon
but in those 20 seconds i get 3 outbursts
strong forum
but its value of only ike 10-12k depending on gear and buffs
is literally only very few hits that you reduce
chrome falcon
spending rage generates rage thanks to AM+tier
whenever you look at how much rage you overcapped, it's actually more than the number you see because of missed avatars/outbursts/banner uptime
north rampart
in gambit the coastwalker goliath that pats near the Wo skip
how to be avoiding? i tried pulling the pack behind the rocks but that just gives the murlocs time to summon fishsticks
wooden widget
Ok so with 4pc avatar grants an outburst
Which should be spent after popping banner.
On shield slam
I think I am gonna stick with served cold until I can stop capping rage.
sick sentinel
is it very important that i tank globrog in the center of room, because i think what happens is he casts this thing, similiar to arena boss when he does the half circle is too much to edge, turns at someone, and then someone gets blown up, healer died twice to it and the was a huge outgoing of dmg from one of the reflect spells, took 3 players to 30%
wooden widget
It’s very important that your group are all in melee
Center or not he punts everyone out.
The closer you are to danger the further you are from harm
The slime wave is a cone extending outwards. So being closer means less yardage to clear it
sick sentinel
2nd pull, so, do i tell dps to run out for this i guess? i'm confused by the way you worded what you said, "the closer you are to danger the further you are from harm"
wooden widget
After the boss plaguestomps everyone out he will cast a slime wave. The wave extents in a cone shape I. The direction boss is facing.
Narrow end from bosses mouth.
So right after stomp the wheel chair classes need to move towards boss. So they can avoid slime wave. The further you are from melee the harder it is to avoid.
ocean yoke
frankly if they are getting hit by the wave it is their own fault
wooden widget
^^
toxic pewter
whats better - so leahs or phial
rain lance
sim it.
median tulip
whats better - so leahs or phial
I currently run both
waxen orbit
Phial + Scale is good
sick sentinel
where do i go to find a link to route for PF if i want to do skip
sweet summit
urban portal
sick sentinel
that key stone went to hell and back
went to a 16 and then i said fuck it wrogue lets do your dumb little stealth skip to boss and v'iola
jagged pier
I use onlyfans.com/dratnos/tier_3
Leave
toxic pewter
I use onlyfans.com/dratnos/tier_3
XD ok that made me laugh
sick sentinel
the priest in one of the attempt on the pf 19 that turned to 16 was "onlyhealer" name
toxic pewter
@median tulip if no one in my party uses haste as main statt what should i take? I guess vers?
median tulip
<@220649471804047360> if no one in my party uses haste as main statt what should...
I'd take crit if Haste wasn't available
toxic pewter
Ok i was thinking crit also
i wont lie it feels bad when i dont get haste tho
like 3 people in my group had the trinket i think lmao
chrome falcon
whats better - so leahs or phial
man i'm begging you to learn to sim
you ask like 10 questions a day to which the answer is "sim it"
mighty valley
other peoples' experience is "i simmed it"
chrome falcon
if you prefer the opinions of people in here over objective sim data then
toxic pewter
na
mighty valley
or "idk this feels nice"
chrome falcon
yeesh
chrome falcon
other people's experience is 100% i simmed it
if i simmed 2 trinkets and one simmed higher
mighty valley
they're both pure passive, they feel like nothing
chrome falcon
but it actually did less dps
toxic pewter
trinkets arent solely just dps though
toxic pewter
Like waht dont you get about this
chrome falcon
the idea that you think feelycraft>theorycraft
chrome falcon
sims are correct, people are very often wrong
toxic pewter
'sim it' LOL
mighty valley
they're both pure passive!!!
chrome falcon
but you're not asking us to describe a colour
you're asking us to describe lines of code
that have objective, simmable outcomes
mighty valley
phial???
toxic pewter
well yes it is a dps trinket but the sims dont tell the whole story
what about the armor, parry, ap, etc
how it 'feels'
chrome falcon
you have no idea how it feels
toxic pewter
right so I am asking others
chrome falcon
because it's minute differences in complex equations for how much damage we do
chrome falcon
it feels like it does damage bro idk what to tell you
toxic pewter
That is what I am explaining to you
mighty valley
human beings cannot perceive the difference between the effects of the minor differences between two passive stat trinkets
sick sentinel
sturdy sable
human beings cannot perceive the difference between the effects of the minor dif...
Lmao but everyone thinks they can
mighty valley
you asked about soleahs
chrome falcon
like are we being trolled
sick sentinel
how is this route for this week, i did it last week
mighty valley
not codex
toxic pewter
ya soleah and codex even
chrome falcon
obviously you can feel the difference between codex and phial
toxic pewter
thats a big diff
chrome falcon
that's not what you asked though
toxic pewter
every trinket is unique... lol your argument is why even have different passive trinekts LOL NO ONE CAN TELL THE DIFFERENCE
Do you read what you type? LOL
chrome falcon
phial feels like a warm summer's day, soleah's feels like a brisk jog on a cold november morning
like is that what you want to hear
just sim it
dawn canyon
You can tell fully stacked OWS vs no OWS
sturdy sable
theres a different between codex and phial for example
Yeah codex does less damage then phial and the lack of strength makes you squishier then just the straight strength from phial but because you see its a defensive trinket you perceive to feel a difference when in actuality their is no possible way you could tell the difference because its so small it literally doesnt matter
dawn canyon
However you cant tell the gradual difference
sturdy sable
Holy shit
toxic pewter
and vanguard
sturdy sable
Thats exactly what i said
chrome falcon
no my argument is to not ask people how their trinkets "feel" when they're just stat stick and go sim it because you'll actually get the correct answer
toxic pewter
Listen- prot warrior is feelycraft
sick sentinel
if i had a better stat stick or automatic i'd run it
chrome falcon
no it's not
mighty valley
you're not going to feel the difference of 90 str in your pool of 2000
chrome falcon
actually i mostly just belittle you
toxic pewter
Right - because it makes you feel good
sturdy sable
I mean this is a bad hill to die on
toxic pewter
as you are a weak individual who is a bully
nah, standing up to bullies is a good hill
chrome falcon
sure man i'm just trying to help you by explaining that the objective accuracy of sims
is better than asking randoms with no credentials
how their basically identical stat sticks "feel"
mighty valley
feelings in this case aren't actually useful is the other thing - haste feels better than str because it slightly changes the speed of the class, but that doesn't mean all haste buffs are better than str buffs
toxic pewter
Different trinkets, even with passive stats, all have different effects on gameplay. What dont you get about that? LOL you just want to say sim it to everyone
chrome falcon
yeah 50% more haste and 50% less str would feel great
it would also be objectively worse
sturdy sable
Dude you should try out blade dancers armor kit it really makes me feel way tankier bro
That's you rn
toxic pewter
Right and they do
mighty valley
having a higher ilvl makes me feel better
sturdy sable
Check the edit
toxic pewter
Reported each of you for harassment
chrome falcon
i'm also trying really hard to focus on my demonic gorillas task in osrs and this conversation has tilted me so hard that i'm messing it up
toxic pewter
O_o
sick sentinel
well in bad there was at least 3 or 4 trinket options that were viable for us including rezans eye as crown jewel bunch of haste another was crit from wcm and there was very likely a one that did 420 versa or mastery depend on item for 20 seconds
what I'm getting at though, is i can feel difference if I'm standing in are for haste or I have a ton of crit but it's hard to equate to a dps number
chrome falcon
yeah obviously if you have a 900 haste proc you can feel it
sick sentinel
bet you could get huge value just running ashen juggernaught and crit
chrome falcon
you don't need to run crit with ashen
dawn canyon
haste is the one i feel like i can feel
chrome falcon
it gives you like 50%
back in legion with the 24k vers proc
you could absolutely feel that
toxic pewter
@chrome falcon wat trinkets u run
vocal geode
i'm also trying really hard to focus on my demonic gorillas task in osrs and thi...
i got back to back to back zenyte shard drops once
chrome falcon
i got back to back to back zenyte shard drops once
i just finished MM2 yesterday good lord man that stealth section
chrome falcon
<@144555238567706624> wat trinkets u run
FCM and OWS
vocal geode
idr mm2
toxic pewter
FCM and OWS
nice
sick sentinel
you don't need to run crit with aj but that's more on bad idea side , depends, imho
vocal geode
took me an entire day
chrome falcon
4 more herblore to sote for me
sick sentinel
like, there's only so many executes u can do some random +17 boss tyr, even more so if they crit, but I'm still gonna try chop his head off
chrome falcon
yeah AJ isn't easy to use in keys
on mid-high fort i try to get my dps to leave low targets alive so i can stack it
but on anything below like 22 everything just goes splat too quick for the big value on trash
sick sentinel
just spend rage on execute if you need a dump and have sb ip going right
chrome falcon
eh sure i just press the execute button
sick sentinel
reviewing my keystones failures been best thing I ever did to see moment it all got screw up
watch an on video and look for moments add got pulled or someone died, really gives perspective to slow down time review it
halcyon pasture
watch an on video and look for moments add got pulled or someone died, really gi...
What do u watch/record with?
sick sentinel
outplayed with curse
I heard trumpet Alex Jones types in trade chat say... "it's a virus and a cryptominer"!!, googling and my own results were same gpu usage% as the crypto miner part of that uses
not like the gpu is trying to create a 1080p hours long video in the background.... nope..
same guys that won't download and add-on despite having 3090 and 12800k cpu because "it will lag out my pc"
safe thistle
i dont install stuff that can potentially corrupt my pc.... let me go on some porn website it will be fine if i click on every link there right ?
some ppl priority
toxic pewter
I am watching the hit film "Dodgeball"
woven lance
Are necro prot warriors supposed to help with explosives? And if so, what are our best options for getting them?
toxic pewter
Heroic throw is not bad for getting far off explosive
other than i sometimes just auto attack them if theyre near me
woven lance
Does revenge work?
toxic pewter
not actually
no aoe ability works on them afaik
shield slam works
but obviously thats a big ability to use on explosive perhaps
woven lance
Is it worth it to switch off of devastator to get that ability back?
toxic pewter
I dont think its worth it personally. its basically everybodys job to get explosives but usually certain healers are good at it
hunters and melee usually good at it too
thorny sierra
dont you guys think that it is sad that there is non protection wr is in the top 50 m+ tank ranking 😦
waxen orbit
Are necro prot warriors supposed to help with explosives? And if so, what are ou...
No
We're dogshit at getting explosive
Do what you can but never give up Devastator
Unironically primarily a healer job
woven lance
Does revenge work?
waxen orbit
No
Shield slam, melee, charge, and heroic throw do
I primarily pick them with charge and heroic throw
grave crane
Is it worth it to switch off of devastator to get that ability back?
Never. That’s the best talent. Passive and removes an ability to spam
sweet summit
just target them and auto attack xd
brazen yarrow
slam them
sweet summit
slam is revenge for protection and that does not work, silly
brazen yarrow
body slam
median tulip
Charge them
toxic pewter
Charge them
Oh ya i charge them a lot too theyre great to charge
onyx matrix
Imagine if sword and board talent returned 🥺
blazing condor
I dont remember what that did. Just more ss damage?
waxen orbit
Ye
It’s a PvP talent rn
30% increased crit dam on SS
I think
While SB is active*
toxic pewter
I use it
raw gyro
Is there a "best" ally race for prot? Or can i just go for looks
sick sentinel
anyone know how I can see how many times a druid cast iron bark on me in details?
or even like an uptime % on ironbark?
urban portal
anyone know how I can see how many times a druid cast iron bark on me in details...
Check it in your buffs on Warcraft logs
cinder nova
Why is Boost so desperate to make Kyrian relevant this patch?
I'm watching him struggle to maintain decent parses with like 3+ priests just funneling externals into him and still coming up behind rawdog parses.
mighty valley
I swear I can play absolute garbage on a heroic kill and still get a 95+ parse
Because the majority of warriors still aren't playing necro
cinder nova
Nah, if you play garbage you'll get dogwater parses.
I've watched necro warriors at 270+ do a solid 5K ST
It's pretty hard to watch.
mighty valley
Ok sure, I mean garbage by my own standards
cinder nova
Oh, yeah - absolutely. I got a 98 on I think Jailer with 6th place world.
PWarr pop size is just comically small.
mighty valley
We're going to be wild after tuesday
mighty valley
Getting the arms 15% execute buff too for some reason
cinder nova
LOLWHAT
strong forum
Yea
mighty valley
Yeah
strong forum
Same spell id
mighty valley
Probably more work to change it and they were like "eh why not"
p3 Jailer is gonna be sick
cinder nova
Link?
mighty valley
cinder nova
But it's not like we aren't absolutely blitzing shit
mighty valley
strong forum
Tell that to the people who blindly hate on pwar without having ever seen 1
cinder nova
Has this been tested to show it improves DPS for Prot?
cinder nova
So people have tested it and it does work?
mighty valley
It would be weirder if it didn't, since same spell id like nom said
strong forum
Wdym tested
strong forum
It's literally right there
cinder nova
It's like 2 am don't look at me
I gotta send this to my VDH cotank
He's so jilted over VDH ST being absolute hot garbage
cinder nova
It's literally right there
Sidenote, can I get the original for I wanna make it an emote in my guild disc
quaint glade
https://www.wowhead.com/news/upcoming-class-tuning-coming-in-patch-9-2-5-tank-th...
Just bring back legion tanking ffs
strong forum
you generated +1000% threat
then in bfa they nerfed it down to 400%
then in bfa s4 they buffed it, through the necklace, to 450%
then SL, we lost the necklace, went back down to 400%, later on they again buffed it back to 450%
and now in 9.2.5 they'll buff it to 550%
🙂
lime urchin
I see
onyx matrix
Not bad I guess
lime urchin
A couple of seasons ago I made frens with a very skilled rouge. Threat is something I have not worried much about since.
strong forum
getting it buffed isnt bad
but the fact that it remains an issue for 2 expansions straight
trying to make it this "feature"
onyx matrix
Threat? Issue? Whaaaa
strong forum
A couple of seasons ago I made frens with a very skilled rouge. Threat is someth...
thats not a good thing
Trix and MD are the largest culprit as to why its not as big of a topic as it should
lime urchin
Oh I see. Well on our average level and average keyz it hasn’t been our main pain point
strong forum
its a huge issue once you play without hunter and rogue and have an actual dps player
especially if youre bear
onyx matrix
Hihihihi
lime urchin
Yes, I must say I have noticed that when pugging to be honest