even if they're extremely lazy and macro it into CDs, it's fine
#protection
mighty valley
old nacelle
Hey guys I ask you for an advice on how to use shield wall correctly; considering that in high keys each pull can be dangerous, should it be used on cooldown or when needed?
chrome falcon
before big damage
old nacelle
before big damage
👌
chrome falcon
you should know when you're about to take a bit hit and use it accordingly
grave crane
its also a kinda low CD with the amount of rage we spend
hazy edge
grats!
mighty valley
top 50%!
how are guilds finding M rygelon + lords at a big gear level
compared to anduin
strong forum
lord is a sub 10 pull boss
ryg is a bit more of a challenge
but not harder than anduin
gentle stratus
in the beginning is shield slam and auto attacks the only way to generate rage?
mighty valley
yeah lords looked like a pure dps check with an awkward comp restriction in rwf, then they got nerfed a dozen times
gentle stratus
thunderclap shieldslam and autoattacks yes
ok thanks for the info
strong forum
once youre level 28 you should get very frequent access to shield slam
so at that point it should play alot smoother than before
mighty valley
they compensate in those early awkward levels by just scaling your damage to a billion
relatively speaking
strong forum
dmg doesnt really fall off
imo
regular mobs just fall over in a few globals all the way until 50
mighty valley
yeah it just feels like you're doing nothing, then you check charts and you're beating most dps
except things like arcane mage
mighty valley
lvl 10 arcane mages could beat any mythic boss in the game
ocean yoke
dungeon scaling is hilarious
dawn canyon
Dude i was in mainwow discord and this poor guy got their first char (feral) kicked out of a dungeon for bad dps
shoulda rolled mage mon ami
mighty valley
i know feral is only fun for specific weirdos but god it feels awful in leveling dungeons
urban portal
i know feral is only fun for specific weirdos but god it feels awful in leveling...
27% downtime does that to you
mighty valley
ok so i have twenty energy and three combo points to spend carefully on my 600 different kinds of bleeds
chrome falcon
lord is a sub 10 pull boss
sub 10 pull for guilds that could kill anduin before the nerfs
more like 30 or something for the rest of us shitters
sick sentinel
evis/envenom, SND, rupture, i think one was also a heal over time?
strong forum
sub 10 pull for guilds that could kill anduin before the nerfs
idk
its literally heroic
just higher number
LoD is just a pure dps race and amogus
sick sentinel
number go up!
urban portal
rogue was better when there was only about 5 finishers total
rn they have like 3
AOE, ST, bleed
sick sentinel
no, lmao they have too many ATM
urban portal
slice and dice barely
each spec literally has 3 finishers
and then slice which is a maintainence buff
outlaw has shoot, stab, and slice
sick sentinel
up to cata rogue was literal as s simple as keep up rupture, keep up snd, keep up poisons, and like pwar with SS, slam the main 2 abilities
urban portal
sounds like current rogue
dawn canyon
Still is like that for sub st
urban portal
its just that you have 100 mini cds
sick sentinel
for me losing slice and dice for even a second meant i lost out on huge massive dmg
urban portal
then you just never played current rogue then, ass rogue never refreshes SND, outlaw barely ever has to, only sub does
sick sentinel
had to stack deadly to 5, and every shiv, or next deadly application @5 it would do an instant if it could
urban portal
sounding like to me that cata rogue is harder than current rogue
urban portal
Which i like about sub
fills up my hotbar too fast
sick sentinel
so, you wanted 1.80 speed mainhand dagger for damage, and 1.40 speed for attack speed to apply posion
dawn canyon
fills up my hotbar too fast
Im having great fun figuring out a nice weakaura for it 
And if i forget the binds ill put then on the weakaura
sick sentinel
i got yelled at by some shitter in normal nomde guy to the left of dr plague guy
dawn canyon
are you allowed to macro anything together
Probably not
sick sentinel
theres 2 of them and you have to turn off the taps, anyways i did 25k dps and of course, beating everyone, i had ppl tell me "2 button class"
whole reason i could do that dps was i could sit on boss with SND/rup
dawn canyon
Is this ICC talk
sick sentinel
oh yeah, it fell apart at the dragon boss
our team just wasn't strong enough to kill the ice dragon
trim bay
should i be using ashen juggernaut over show of force?
sick sentinel
AJ is good, yes,
trim bay
like 23 keys
sick sentinel
i thought that said 2000 dps increase
trim bay
and for raid i use it. yea well because i suck i use my outburst proc with TC so i thought it woudlnt be so bad
strong forum
in raid 10000% AJ
trim bay
like not all the time lol
sick sentinel
theres an argument to made for AJ in tyranical weeks, sometimes boss really low % but tons of HP and just needs to fucking die
trim bay
awesome. and is it heaps stupid if i go left at the bottom of marileth so i can use condensed anime sphere over the finese conduit
strong forum
left is for yourself
right is to provide an external DR for your intervene target, which is EXTREMELY GOOD in high keys
sick sentinel
i am doing left side due to that i can slot in SG for SW cdr
sick sentinel
safegaurd is stupidly overpowered given the set bonus
onyx matrix
haha it is?
dawn canyon
It's roughly half a pain supression
onyx matrix
guess ill move from night fae then
dawn canyon
At shorter CD
onyx matrix
but the burst is so fun in m+ with nf
dawn canyon
Necro zuggernaut also fun
onyx matrix
xD
sick sentinel
i'm still doing BV over BSC as well,
i don't even think it would change a whole lot, probably use it to over cap, no doubt
chrome falcon
safeguard is very op but also barely useful
trim bay
its about to go down
sick sentinel
safeguard is very op but also barely useful
good if you use it on whoever needs it to stay alive
onyx matrix
and hows show of force?
sick sentinel
mostly not used because TC poopy
onyx matrix
ah
sick sentinel
last place dps wise
dawn canyon
Marge
onyx matrix
kk
sick sentinel
marileth is the best option we have overall though for necrolord
onyx matrix
wonderful!
median tulip
and hows show of force?
SoF is actually ok on Fort weeks, but never outstanding over the Execute conduit, and on Tyr weeks the Execute one is v good
onyx matrix
gotcha, ty for the advice
median tulip
You can keep the execute conduit socketed full time without it being a downside at all
onyx matrix
damn its really good
sick sentinel
briing rogues, rogues will make you happy with tricks
onyx matrix
xD
agile cosmos
I can't get the hang or reprisal as I am new to tanking mythic plus. How bad would it be to use shield wall instead of reprisal for 10-15 keys?
strong forum
you can get by on those levels with the wall
but if you dont learn how to play reprisal you might aswell not play prot warrior, thats how vital of a legendary it is
agile cosmos
Ah i see. Thank you. Maybe I will just get used to all the button. Maybe tank some low level mythics to get it down, thank you.
strong forum
ofc i cant forbid you anything, its a game afterall but i strongly recommend learning reprisal
if youre new to tanking protwar can be alot to take in
so just take your time, aslong as you enjoy it is generally fine
agile cosmos
tanked in bc, lol how many years ago. But its totally different ahaha
okay thank you
strong forum
ya, especially pwar rn is the most demanding tank to play
pallid quiver
One way to make Reprisal easier to utilize is to run with a melee DPS you know so that you can make an Intervene macro that you can just hit mostly on CD, removing some of the thinking about it
dawn canyon
Prot warrior takes a bit of effort to get going but im sure youll manage
And if you need help ask the wonderful people here
pallid quiver
Then you just have to manage utilizing your Charge, uh, charges
agile cosmos
gotcha, thank you for all the help everyone. Going to just get used to managing all the intervenes and charges. Thank you
sick sentinel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfoj7t7NZkI rage meter during lust, urh, and banner.
toxic pewter
does codex trinket still pull random shit sometimes
does anyone know what i am talking about
strong forum
it does
so make sure to not target anything you dont want to pull
it only pulls shit if you target it
but also
toxic pewter
Ok damn that makes me not want to run it even more
strong forum
dont use codex
toxic pewter
yes lmao
noted
anyone experiement with weapon enchant? Is celestial guidance the best
strong forum
yes
toxic pewter
any wiggle room there
sick sentinel
where do you guys use the arena banner on trash
strong forum
on CD
sick sentinel
do you ever pull a group past it to the banner like after killing the guardian of it
strong forum
okay now im confused
sick sentinel
the necro banner sits in the ground
strong forum
theatre banner buff is active instance wide
it lasts for 5minutes
thats it
thats all there is to it
sick sentinel
interesting, and it does which?
modern brook
It's 2022 :^(
toxic pewter
what key level does codex become decent i heard 25 and up iirc?
strong forum
10% vers 10% mov speed
strong forum
It's 2022 :^(
strong forum
what key level does codex become decent i heard 25 and up iirc?
for us?
practically never
toxic pewter
ya
sick sentinel
you could use that to lust the arena boss before you start him and then use that 5min buff to clear an entire wing if its a good buff
toxic pewter
but why 28 of the top 50 prot warriors are using it
strong forum
cuz theyre wrong
strong forum
yes
toxic pewter
thats over half of the top 50
strong forum
yes and theyre wrong to use it
median tulip
Codex has two major disadvantages; it gets worse the better you play, and it has Stamina instead of Strength
strong forum
they need to take obscene damage to get any worthwhile effect ouf of codex
pallid quiver
Aren't some of the top Wars still Kyrian, too?
toxic pewter
y they use it then
strong forum
and pwar is LITERALLY THE WORST TANK to use codex on
strong forum
Aren't some of the top Wars still Kyrian, too?
dps mains that logged off in kyrian
toxic pewter
Aren't some of the top Wars still Kyrian, too?
43 of the top 50 are necro at this point
strong forum
y they use it then
cuz they only see "10% dmg reduction"
toxic pewter
thats only 12 seconds of time tho
strong forum
out of the top 50 pwars theres maybe like 5 good ones
pallid quiver
I don't fuss with the numbers too much; I just try to focus on what I can do that's optimal to carry me
toxic pewter
does it have an internal cooldown
strong forum
its 30-50% uptime
strong forum
no
they are missing something
not us
even most BDKs shouldnt use codex.
and they take alot more dmg than we do
sick sentinel
so, i either want to go teleports first or arena everytime so i can use the buff the clear the trash and boss of that wing maybe a bit from next wing (abomb is almost always second) and then you have another one at the boss you didn't do second, so arena or teleport last
strong forum
so, i either want to go teleports first or arena everytime so i can use the buff...
i have no idea what youre talking about
strong forum
yes
toxic pewter
im so confused
sick sentinel
i think there might be a click banner in the golem wing too, but im uncertain the exact location
strong forum
for BDK codex starts being good around 28
pallid quiver
I think it's more likely that in the mythic+ top circles, Codex is said to be good tank trinket, which spreads around and everyone starts using it. A lot of times in the past, the top players aren't always optimal. Easily seen when going back to Vanilla/BC/Wrath days
strong forum
but its not in every key good
toxic pewter
Like I get where you are coming from I just find it all so strange
is there any numbers to comment on this
strong forum
its not that hard to grasp, most people didnt put enough thought into it or do high enough content where codex is actually good
codex is good when you take absolute mad levels of dmg in
toxic pewter
Like can you run me through it all again
sick sentinel
if i go arena first, i would go teleports last always, because i don't believe golem wing has a click banner
sick sentinel
or its out of the way or at the end or some shit, right out side his room
strong forum
which means that codex reduces already very small dmg by 10%
meaning you get very little dmg out of it
sick sentinel
and so i want that buff to carry over into clearing the golem trash is what i mean
strong forum
whereas tanks that take alot dmg but then heal it back up
toxic pewter
(dh, dk)?
strong forum
like VDH and BDK (in very high levels), for vdh like 24 and bdk like 28
strong forum
for monks its also good
cuz they just take alot of dmg
through stagger and such
but for bear pally and warrior
codex just isnt good
toxic pewter
12 prot pally use it 36 bears
strong forum
especially bears shouldnt use it
toxic pewter
cuz iron fur
strong forum
cuz UFR and Incarn
strong forum
no
toxic pewter
like maybe an alternative is just hard to find
strong forum
its just bad for prots and bear
strong forum
do so
toxic pewter
but your argument is too sound
strong forum
but its just not worth the loss of strength
thats the whole issue of codex
it has stamina and not mainstat
toxic pewter
if codex had str it would be good i think
strong forum
yes it would
strong forum
but you lose like 400-500dps and a good chunk of armor by it just not being str
toxic pewter
damn the armor loss is real too, youre right
strong forum
for example
BDK in DoS 29
15k dtps
Pwar in HoA 28 fort
9k dtps
the bdk only got 800 dps out of Codex
toxic pewter
is reactive def matrix any good
strong forum
the warri was nightfae (wtf) and only got 500 dps out of codex
AKA
he literally broke even with the trinket as if he had a str trinket which wouldve had no additional effect on it
strong forum
is reactive def matrix any good
very
modern brook
Loot is just nfts you buy with time
sick sentinel
matrix lasers was OP
modern brook
Tank everything naked
strong forum
matrix lasers was OP
wrong kind of matrix
sick sentinel
i know, but it was TD before TD
sick sentinel
did OKAY dmg, but thats it, looked cool
strong forum
it looked very cool
but could break CC in m+
so i had to stop using it
could also ninja pull packs iirc
safe thistle
i just wish i could get myself a damn phial
strong forum
the warri was nightfae (wtf) and only got 500 dps out of codex
he only got 400 hps out of codex
in a fucking 28 fort
its literally trash to use it as pwar
sick sentinel
TDev also did that, but it usually had the propensity to kill the unintended target it pulled
TDev turned raging affix into a complete joke, oh what, we just skipped your entire enragephase that was supposed to take place at 30% hp and last forever, thats too bad
it's a shame you died before you were able to do anything at all mr trash mob
trim bay
so i generally use it due to most people on logs using it. would i be better off running scale and soleahs?
dawn canyon
M+ or raid
trim bay
plus in raid i find scale doesnt do a great deal. depending on the fight
trinkets confuse me
safe thistle
in m+ you dont need defensive trinket since CD come back so damn quick with urh atm.
strong forum
so i generally use it due to most people on logs using it. would i be better off...
100%
the best trinket defensive trinket combo you can get from current patch is scale + soleah
codex is literally DOGSHIT for us
sick sentinel
no, in raids scale isn't as good, unless you want to use it for an absorb, or to help gather aggro on some adds that spawn in
trim bay
sweet. is that the same for raid?
strong forum
pretty much yeah
sick sentinel
theres just better single target dps trinkets if you want raid than scale
strong forum
but for raid generally id recommedn going max dmg trinkets
defensive trinkets for raid outside of rygelon and jailer are pretty overkill
unless youre bad ofc
trim bay
ahh ok i didnt know that
strong forum
for rygelon you absolutely want codex tho
trim bay
so phial and sack?
safe thistle
well getting next patch a weave of fate for raid could be nice
i deleted mine before they changed it into a real brez.....
strong forum
myeah thats what sense is doing aswell
trim bay
is iqd or sigil prefered over sack due to main stat
strong forum
!disclaimer for lurkers!
Codex is good for rygelon mythic and jailer mythic
but for m+ it is factually dogshit as dmg intake isnt high enough
safe thistle
ppl underate warrior, jailor aint hitting that hard on use compared to other tanks
strong forum
yes
safe thistle
on us*
strong forum
pwar is probably the 3rd best tank for him
safe thistle
ppally just get exploded there
strong forum
myeah i need to make it pretty i guess
shut summit
the dot nerf made jailer pretty tame
sick sentinel
yellow names can we change literal trash to be also codex
and other dog shit like the heart
shut summit
still some random hugeass melees that can kill you so safe to use cheat for prog
sick sentinel
:literaltrash1: :literaltrash2: etc
safe thistle
i got into a weird codex chain reaction once i dont remember where tough
safe thistle
still some random hugeass melees that can kill you so safe to use cheat for prog
didnt knew you used weave there i bet it doesnt work if you fall in hole though ?
shut summit
you die
safe thistle
ahh true body get teleported
scenic mural
no point in making a pin for trinkets that people know are trash. codex is the one always disputed, others are a non subject
sick sentinel
380 more valor and got pretty much best weapon i'll have for a long time
tardy sequoia
is it really possible to attain 100% uptime on banner?
trim bay
in a key?
tardy sequoia
in a key yes
trim bay
i would pay to see
lofty widget
yup. quite easily if youre chain pulling enough
trim bay
well im not a rich man as u can see
lofty widget
thats from a key a while ago i did
tardy sequoia
first try this evening and the maximum i can get is 1 min so 1min cd still
safe thistle
i still prefer to play kyrian in key
tardy sequoia
thats from a key a while ago i did
but is it doable with 2/4 tier set pieces?
lofty widget
didnt play necro with 2/4 but its pretty easy to get 4pc nowadays?
tardy sequoia
so the difference is noticeable?
sick sentinel
strong forum
difference is very noticable
tardy sequoia
i know it's pretty easy but i just resubbed a while ago and did raid normal
sick sentinel
always keep top of my bags like this now whenever im gunna go into some key
strong forum
you get like 30-50 avatars per key, which means boatloads more rage
which help a ton with banner uptime
tardy sequoia
shiet
sick sentinel
take out the exact same amount of consumables for each key
tardy sequoia
and 4pc manifests big dick banner uptime
cause with 2 pieces i still manage 1 min uptime but its far from 100% uptime lol
strong forum
❗ Codex Of The First Technique is not a good trinket for Protection Warrior ❗
The lack of strength aswell as the very low dmg intake of us grants us little to no benefit of running the trinket.
❗ In all cases its a DPS and HPS loss to use the trinket even in +28 keys or higher ❗
The absorb of codex applies after IP, so it's literally 4x worse on us.
Codex only procs off of attacks coded as auto attacks
that means in high magic dmg situations, like medivh or sylvanas, its borderline impossible to get ANY procs of codex making it even worse of a trinket.
Thanks for Mandl from Acherus to point this out to me.
For those that still use it in higher keys, it's just a comfort pick it won't determine your success in m+
The math doesn't agree with codex over other trinkets.
strong forum
cause with 2 pieces i still manage 1 min uptime but its far from _100%_ uptime l...
you can defo get more than that if you run BV and play well, but yeah 4pc just makes it alot more comfortable
dawn canyon
❗ **__Codex Of The First Technique is not a good trinket for Protection Warrior_...
Big
tardy sequoia
ty
sick sentinel
i fucked up my asking it earlier
tardy sequoia
you can defo get more than that if you run BV and play well, but yeah 4pc just m...
yeah it was my first key with necro, need to adjust gameplay
strong forum
yeah takes a good bit of practice
sick sentinel
but so, is there a click banner in all 3 wings of TOP, im uncertain of the location of the golem wing one if one exists, i believe it to exist at literal right out side the boss room to the left as you go inn
strong forum
the banners are always in the first room of each wing
sick sentinel
and the boss order, if it even matters, typical is arena golem telport
strong forum
Xav Wing, middle back of the first room
Ghost Wing, left of the doorway before going to the smally ghosts
sick sentinel
and so my goal is to use them to clear all the trash of that wing,
strong forum
Butcher Wing, right of the doorway in the first room before the 3 mob patrol
tardy sequoia
between revenge and ip what's best for pure rage dumping in order to fuel banner?
lofty widget
IP to avoid overcapping, revenge for the rest
strong forum
IP to prevent rage capping
rest revenge and SB
revenge itself isnt enough to keep up banner, so you need to ensure you generate as much rage as you can so you are also forced to dump with IP
❗
tardy sequoia
Nice
I have tried both ways (revenge spam and IP spam) but I was not quite sure which worked best lmao so it was good I actually asked
safe thistle
IP spam become a waste of rage if your capped
strong forum
huh
lofty widget
it's t he opposite
safe thistle
between revenge and IP i would revenge
chrome falcon
we're not talking about "between"
lofty widget
yeah but sometimes you cant revenge fast enough
sick sentinel
i want to say your talking about this area the cursor is at
strong forum
if you cant revenge fast enough to dump rage, you HAVE to use IP
chrome falcon
sometimes i can't even press both fast enough to dump
safe thistle
if your at the max absord IP can give and wont overcap then revenge only
lofty widget
IP is our "oh shit" button for when youre overcapping rage
since you wanna feed AM+banner
lofty widget
we literally do not care about IP value
chrome falcon
if IP literally did not do anything
other than spend rage
our playstyle would change 0%
literally no difference whatsoever
strong forum
i get the point youre trying to make hharm
but youre just phrasing it poorly 😄
or well, with the wrong argument
the point youre making is correct in the way that you just spam revenge
but the part about IP capping is irrelevant
strong forum
is ok
safe thistle
thnaks though
strong forum
😄
chrome falcon
well i definitely have a log of 1 IP taking me from 5 to 8 stacks
safe thistle
it still brough good tips out
chrome falcon
like i know for a fact that it happened on a pull last night
but i don't know how to actually prove it from the log
chrome falcon
oh there's a new one
strong forum
much better experience than just tracking stacks
chrome falcon
awesome
safe thistle
OHHHH
strong forum
yeah asa made it and i helped in the process of it
strong forum
bugfixing and theorycrafting what it should do and what not
safe thistle
that one is def better
hazy edge
If you find any bugs with the wa feel free to message me with them
safe thistle
the red one right ?
safe thistle
damn its way more precise that what i use
ill get that one for sure ill just need to tweek it into my ui
chrome falcon
oh it counts down instead of counting up
strong forum
but once thats done its pretty smooth
chrome falcon
makes sense
chrome falcon
massively pogged
safe thistle
by default its which one
hazy edge
Up
safe thistle
thanks
shut summit
well i definitely have a log of 1 IP taking me from 5 to 8 stacks
pretty sure this is just a 'feature' at this point
chrome falcon
it's so weird
i think it might be if your previous outburst procced because you went from 7->8 stacks with the free revenge bug
hazy edge
If you use a Revenge! Proc at 7 stacks of Seeing Red you’ll get outburst
chrome falcon
well that's technically possible
if you're 5 rage off 7 stacks
but 5 just makes negative sense
chrome falcon
well i guess we don't complain about it
shut summit
look at the gif
hazy edge
Yeah he’s going from 80 to 240 rage
safe thistle
does it use the conduit multiplier
chrome falcon
no i think it's saying "hey you need to spend 80 rage"
chrome falcon
then spending 35 rage counts
safe thistle
were you on last stand ?
chrome falcon
it do esn't matter
strong forum
Even then, it only consumes 35 rage
chrome falcon
you're misinterpreting the gif
safe thistle
i wonder if it use the conduit extra rage generation as bug
strong forum
That would be Hella spaghetti
Cuz you'd need over 100% from the conduit
To jump from 35 to 80
My suspicion is, is that the calculation of the rage needed fucked up
Aka a bug
ocean yoke
If you use a Revenge! Proc at 7 stacks of Seeing Red you’ll get outburst
thank god its not just me i saw that the other day and thought i was going crazy
shut summit
strong forum
@hazy edge
safe thistle
or cause shield slam was on proc it calculated it into it ?
shut summit
5 stacks, 1 ip into outburst
hazy edge
Do you have a log with it?
chrome falcon
or cause shield slam was on proc it calculated it into it ?
no we're looking at the rage required for an outburst, not his actual rage bar
rage spent, not generated
strong forum
What fucks me up sometimes is that I feel like that IP sometimes even consumes outburst
shut summit
Do you have a log with it?
no just tested it for like 3mins but bout to head out
strong forum
But that might just be me using ss/TC on the same frame
shut summit
super easy to repro
hazy edge
Okay I’ll look into it and see what’s goin on
cinder storm
I've had that happen, I thought that's the reason why we now use @hazy edge 's wa
chrome falcon
there was nothing wrong with the other WA
the bug is with the actual rage required
for the proc
cinder storm
Right, so the new WA made it more visible to know the actual rage required unless I'm missing something
strong forum
The game is bugged
You cannot physically jump from 5 to 8 stacks with 35 rage
That's just not a thing
But the game still grants you outburst
cinder storm
The proccs probably have decimals associated to them would be my conjecture that we cannot see
strong forum
Theoretically you'd need to spend 80 rage at that exact point, but through some miracle the 35 from IP count as 80
It's not some decimal shit
cinder storm
Like you spend 35 rage and the proccs gives you 1.x internally but we only see one procc
strong forum
You'd need to get over 2x
Of the 35
That's not decimals that's straight up multiplication
Out of thin air
cinder storm
I'm trying
strong forum
:D
cinder storm
Sphagett code
lofty widget
was the IP cost changed to 35 before or after tier? could be that tier still recognizes the cost as 40
and it just adds up over the course of 8 stacks
strong forum
I think it was a hotfix
Just after 9.2 launch
But still
If the game did that, it would properly display it at your stack counter
safe thistle
hmmm at around 145 rager used when you pop ip it give you outburst when i tried right now
strong forum
But even the stack counter jumps from 5 to 8
Which isn't possible if 1 stack requires 30 rage
cinder storm
Shouldn't be*
safe thistle
ohh last revenge when 40 rage needed give outburst
strong forum
And if you only need 20 rage, a free revenge will also proc outburst
safe thistle
seems the last stack doesnt work... and its like 7 stack needed
strong forum
"New hotfix
Prot warrior tier
Outbursts requires 7 or 8 stacks of seeing red to proc"
safe thistle
stack buff icon doesnt fit with rage spent
lofty widget
all these bugs, but they all work in our favor so dont complain too much
strong forum
It was even buggier on ptr
Where it would Auto consume outburst if you procced it with IP
But you wouldn't get any benefit
safe thistle
it used to not even give a different buff so all rage was wasted until the buff was used....
cinder storm
Prot warrior tier changes - Maybe you get outburst, maybe not!
strong forum
it used to not even give a different buff so all rage was wasted until the buff ...
That's just a design flaw
Which luckily got fixed
Same as the 50% empowered IP
If that change didn't happen pwar would be a dumpster fire
Then it would actually be as bad as people say
(not rly but alot worse)
safe thistle
seems it take the 50% empowered IP buff to calculated the rage used by IP to get the buff itself maybe
sick sentinel
theatre of pain 16? what pain? i ignored it all, theatre of tickles
strong forum
It's our best dungeon so ye
wheat shadow
ToP last boss spell reflects tickle my brain
only time I feel anything in m+ that isn't pain
sick sentinel
our resident 277 mage got in a heated argument with a demo lock he couldnt out DPS by name of "meleetoohard" and he "rerolls every patch to whatever is strongest" and this infuriated mage to no end.
warlock talk shit about his gcds, bit of bitching about interupts and healer killing explodes.
brittle dagger
1st boss in NW, can you intervene the cast he does on the DPS?
dreamy wedge
So wait Codex is bad now? What is this sorcery
cinder storm
Intervene + spell reflect
urban portal
So wait Codex is _bad_ now? What is this sorcery
Mathematics
lofty widget
it was never good
sick sentinel
no idea and interven conduit im assuming only lasts for 6 seconds andf the guy probably takes well over 5 seconds to get to his location
i'm not sure if you could get alot of value by intervening the carry away guy
brittle dagger
Intervene + spell reflect
Its phyicsl tho no?
urban portal
Still spell reflectable
lofty widget
puts a dot on you as well
urban portal
Don’t ask why
lofty widget
if you dont reflect
cinder storm
Yeah, it just does
I feel you will get all the worms on you if you do that, like 50/50 chance it happens
Just intervene, SR and leap out of frontal
lofty widget
the worms fixate random ppl after they spawn, it's not related to who got hit by the frontal
vapid lynx
I figured that out by accident cause i fat fingered it onto the lock in my group 🤣
cinder storm
People end up thinking "damn I'm good, I parried all that dmg or something" 🤣
sick sentinel
+17 spires.... soon... maybe..., dunno about 20s, but im gettin this KSM shit
urban portal
We believe
toxic pewter
I believe in the yogi 🙏
toxic pewter
Do you guys think prot warrior is the hardest tank to play in pugs
cinder storm
Least forgiving if your team misplays
I haven't touched a pala in high keys but I'd say they seem to be the hardest if they don't manage their CDs properly, pwar can manage fine without SB for a few secs in certain scenarios even when face tanking
toxic pewter
Is blood dk dancing rune weapon tier set interaction harder or easier than prot warrior banner upkeep
hazy edge
bit easier imo, but I've played bdk a looooot more than pwar lol
sick sentinel
am i some kind of pepega for running 5/5 set, when it requires 4, i think its the best ilvl for all those slots
hazy edge
If it's the best ilvl then nope, that's correct
cinder nova
am i some kind of pepega for running 5/5 set, when it requires 4, i think its th...
Get a 291 unity hat the fuck you doing cuh
Do you have 278 for whatever slot your unity is in atm?
sick sentinel
cinder nova
What the hell am I looking at
sick sentinel
700 odd to go
compelted all the quests i could killed a shit load of rares and opened a ton of boxes
cinder nova
Imagine not having the rep for unity when it hit
sick sentinel
i have 11,894 flux, im doin best i can to get the rep
unless there is secret enlighted rep tech i dunno about
i started playing again on the 25th last month, thats how much rep i got
hazy edge
Have you done the raid for rep? can just do lfr and you get a decent amount of rep
sick sentinel
one time only or weekly
drifting fable
weekly
cinder nova
Not that anyone cares but I managed to claw into 2nd world for H Pwarr
I'm not even bothering to compete with that fucking animal that is Ze
That one is on a totally different level
urban portal
Is he a pi gamer or something
sick sentinel
I'll do it as dps
cinder nova
Is he a pi gamer or something
I mean, yeah all his H parses are padded into the sun with externals, but they clobbered long before that.
cinder storm
for keys 24-25s, my race is ztroll, should I swap to vulpera to min max or race is neglible at that level?
cinder storm
thanks
ancient reef
there a guide somewhere regarding maint banner uptime i have played no necro prot really
mighty valley
use all your rage cooldowns on CD, spend all your outburst procs on Shield Slam, make sure to use IP to never overcap on rage
that's kind of it tbh, it's just about maxing rage income and spending it all fast enough so you don't lose any to overcapping
modern brook
I'm not even bothering to compete with that fucking animal that is Ze
Idk how this got ignored grats bro
Wrong reply but whatever
urban portal
honestly just go kyrian with heavy repercussions
just go venthyr with general draven
it feels better
waxen orbit
honestly just go kyrian with heavy repercussions
Also fuck no
waxen orbit
use all your rage cooldowns on CD, spend all your outburst procs on Shield Slam,...
This @ancient reef
It's truly this simple
Takes getting used to
But there's no real trick to it
It's just button-mash
odd tree
you can no longer bolster bosses, correct?
waxen orbit
85% of pugs are dookie water
toxic pewter
Where you guys think the best spots in spires of ascension is to use spears
First spear mainly
waxen orbit
1st spear would be either the double pull or the the pack directly before 2nd boss
Leaning toward the former option
2nd spear is quite literally always 3rd angel
No exceptions
limpid pawn
double pack spear is dicey
waxen orbit
It really isn't
toxic pewter
The double pull it’s sort of assumed WE GOTTA SPEAR IT
right?! I guess I fucked up and said let’s do double pull and I didn’t say to spear it. No one speared it and
I’m like wtf man
I even said we doing the double pull
waxen orbit
Yeah that's a pull you always spear
toxic pewter
Well fuck me
waxen orbit
Like dead serious
waxen orbit
toxic pewter
I did say I was doing the double pull
For the record
So I didn’t just go in blind
But yeah I should of said to spear it too
toxic pewter
I can’t do pugs anymore
It’s killing my soul
I know we had kyrian too. Cuz we had surv hunter
onyx vessel
Had all the melee stack on during raid
limpid pawn
its hard to maximize ally's buff from it and the fact that it doesn't extend allies mastery makes it less good
mighty valley
we can extend the insane buff on ourselves forever, it's just bis
onyx vessel
Dying to frontals
ocean yoke
who cares about the buff on your allies its all about #1 baby
onyx vessel
Teams dmg = more overall dmg for the group
Been finding people who look like the bought accounts
ocean yoke
if they get buffed ion wills it im not going out my way
ocean yoke
oh no thats cringe\
onyx vessel
Last week
urban portal
He was trying to press something that wasn’t rof
ocean yoke
my 240 brew does more
onyx vessel
He was trying to press something that wasn’t rof
Chaos bolt was 4th highest on overall
onyx vessel
Rage gen
limpid pawn
enough to not have shield block up and live?
onyx vessel
The soulbind tree is crack
urban portal
That’s up 75% of the time
onyx vessel
Only need to unlock the 1st one
onyx vessel
10mins and you got the best tank soulbind tree for nerco
urban portal
The rage you get is like 1 ignore pain
onyx vessel
Farming 40 renown tho
It sucks getting threat on a big pull with banner
No spear dmg
urban portal
Yeah it’s def a bit sketch
onyx vessel
But you need your dumbass dps to keep it i there pants
Had a fury warrior i go bladestorm spear
onyx vessel
Wasnt using it for a bit
Regretted that one
Went with best served cold as well
Helped alot
ocean yoke
i run with a ret in our team sometimes and their threat is wild
ocean yoke
he has learned
urban portal
Just intervene melees early
mighty valley
enough to not have shield block up and live?
why do you not have shield block up
jagged pier
its a case of mad cause bad
tame jasper
Just remember that Kyrian is literally 0 defensive benefits
Displacement, kleia necrtic immunity…
jagged pier
which we've never needed
waxen orbit
enough to not have shield block up and live?
What are you smoking lol
We literally have shield block up most of the time anyways
Like 70% minimum overall uptime (which doesn't matter because blocked hit % is what actually matters) with reprisal alone
urban portal
Displacement, kleia necrtic immunity…
Imagine thinking necrotic is still a real affix
waxen orbit
Heavy repercussions is compensation for bad play
urban portal
and those are all phial, not a part of spear
Fleshcraft is also so much more valuable defensively than phial outside of certain mechs
pallid quiver
oh i'm glad someone else said it
jagged pier
even for 1 global
pallid quiver
shit i forget to press it even during 100% downtime where i can't charge/intervene/hit something
jagged pier
but then again I've been saying u dont need kelia since like first necrotic week becuase necrotic is not a thing
urban portal
Ye
jagged pier
🤷
urban portal
I’m saying that spear has no defensive benefit outside of that 1 ignore pain it gives
waxen orbit
and u can kite
Kiting
urban portal
Ye the rage I just pretended went to ignore pain
pallid quiver
I will say that Spear is 10/10 a feel good button to press, though
urban portal
It does feel good ye
jagged pier
ocean yoke
plus you get to yell its bron cena doodoodoodooo
jagged pier
but u get BIG KEV as necro
ocean yoke
fuck thats a close call on coolness
dawn canyon
KEV GANG
ocean yoke
kev pretty cool he oozes over and doesnt afraid of anything
onyx vessel
toxic pewter
Same shit as bron?
yeah basically but hes fine
ionic fern
I just enjoy the fast phase gameplay.
ionic fern
If both had similar rage income i would be Kyrian.
ionic fern
spam that IP key mwahi
I evolved past that.
I just don't generate rage so i don't need to spam IP as much.
Took SS off my bars.
Problem solved.
jagged pier
POG
onyx vessel
Anyone have any amusing interaction with someone who plays like they bought account
Sus account id say
toxic pewter
tahts one ugly hunter
onyx vessel
Notice something missing
blazing condor
Male belf
ionic fern
Don't bully my hunter.
The guy just knows what's ahead..won't equip legendaries because it's borrowed power and he knows it's being taken away soon.
wise sluice
Tbh I focused on the str enchant
onyx vessel
My friend uses agi enchant on his boots
On fury warrior
I was like use fall dmg one
ionic fern
I remember a ret paladin using int potions/flasks because "i am a paladin so i do holy damage".
Can't fault him for his logic.
But..
onyx vessel
I mean technically
halcyon pasture
is there a list of PW streamers someplace or did i dream that
ionic fern
is there a list of PW streamers someplace or did i dream that
FAQ prot section.
jagged pier
mwahi only streams in this discord
onyx vessel
jagged pier
ionic fern
I'm playing WoW when someone DM's me "Plz tank a key".
So my streaming schedule is...every Tuesday before the reset at 12AM.
dawn canyon
Unsub 
jagged pier
i still raid
quick elk
Late to the party just seen the pins, Codex is bad? Is it bad if you are playing prot optimally? but if you a sub optimal player, it would be something to cover up mistakes made?
dawn canyon
Come back for 10.0 if at all
jagged pier
Late to the party just seen the pins, Codex is bad? Is it bad if you are playin...
bad always
expect for 1 niche case and thats mythic rygelon because u actually take the damage u require to make it good
well not anymore actaully
they all not running it anymore
jagged girder
I've just read the last pin, which would be a good trinket to pair with scale then? Soleah's?
jagged pier
sure i guess
jagged girder
Great, no more streets farming
Aaaaand what's the point of going necro? Buffing your dps? More rage?
jagged pier
literally better in everyway
jagged girder
I don't get why you get more rage, sorry for the stupid questions, just play my prot like a real casual alt
But I don't see anything in marileth that gives you more rage
ionic fern
Aaaaand what's the point of going necro? Buffing your dps? More rage?
When played properly you have absurd amount of banner up-time which leads to absurd amount of extra rage which in turn leads into the AM and the circle continues.
While banner is active you get 4 RPS.
ionic fern
Thanks to double legendary synergy (Glory = Banner extends per rage spent, Reprisal = more rage when you charge/intervene) and our tier which also provides a lot of rage you just get a ton of rage.
Anger Management.
jagged girder
Oh sure
Thanks for pointing that out
I will level up necro and give it some trys
ionic fern
Don't get discouraged in the beginning. Getting the banner up-time high enough will get some time/getting used to, especially if you are not that familiar with the class. It will get pretty hectic with APM.
jagged girder
jagged pier
:noted:
quick elk
bad always
278 Solehs it will be then for me then. and no more ninja pulling random pack by just targeting them
dawn canyon
Another benefit
ionic fern
Ninja pulling IS the benefit.
More enemies = more targets to hit = more seismic value.
ionic fern
Agreed.
zenith vale
Noobi question can’t find it on guides
Does reprisal offered shield block stack with casted shield block ?
ionic fern
Yes.
ionic fern
Up to 18 seconds. Unless you break it with Bolster.
zenith vale
insane
ionic fern
Wait..you mean "stack" as in duration, correct? Not stack as in DR.
zenith vale
Duration
zenith vale
Like 4+4
ionic fern
Yeah.
zenith vale
So cool
sick sentinel
I might yet get ksm, and well, if yogi can do it anyone can
elfin surge
Noob question for help: Would anyone have a simple rotation for keeping the banner up longer? I keep seeing people reference it being up alot
cant be solely based on phat pulls and smasing ss revenji
dawn canyon
It's just SS revenge and IP
jagged pier
no but its solely on playing correctly, to get longer banner u just need to play correctly
as the class doesnt have a defined rotation
you need to know the class correctly
dawn canyon
Think of it as a priority list
jagged pier
like play prot every button press you need to think
what spells do I have available
how much rage do I have
whats happening in the next few seconds
how many seething red stacks do I have
etc etc
well not every button press you have to think everything, but in general u need to be think about this stuff all the time
onyx matrix
No?! How dare you
onyx matrix
Lets hope we can re-do it when the new expansion hits
With talents
Eheeeeheeeehihihi!
onyx matrix
Lets make it broken hihihi
sick sentinel
https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/uv2121/any_fire_mage_enjoyers/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZEPgLkzhwE
a verbose guide on how to Pwar
onyx matrix
Like wrath p-war in pvp was 🤣
sick sentinel
i didn't make a warrior until cata
onyx matrix
Then you my friend, missed a fun and great opportunity! Unless you will play it in wrath classic
sick sentinel
rogue is second character i level up in RPG along side tank
1 guy to withstand the 1 constant 1 shots, 1 guy to 1 shot all the enemies
jagged girder
It's just SS revenge and IP
so don't you thunderclap at all when at banner and have enough rage to revenge?
lofty widget
you press tc when SS is on cd and youre not gonna overcap
sick sentinel
real talk question, i did 15 tyranical spires this week, and timed that +1, turned to top 16 which i then +1'd into 17 spires, so if i +1 this spires key how much IO i get?
lofty widget
12-16 io depending on the timer
sick sentinel
i'd much rather do another key and try to timer it, but its the key i got, not sure if i need all keys 15 timed tyr/fort and then 2500 io or just IO for the mount
lofty widget
you just need the IO, so you can have a 14 in one key, and 16 in another for instance
lofty widget
if you get NW, sanguine, gambit and mists on 15 in time thats like 60-70 points
and next week halls, dos and plaguefall on 15 or above should get you very close to 2.5k
sick sentinel
the problem in pf was i played badly and round 2 of that key because i gave up first time, on the second time i pulled the giant beside the hornet nest and so that aggro'd saw the DH go at it at the end of giant and had bias against him later when i saw him do bunch of dmg to wo relic
zenith vale
https://raider.io/characters/us/area-52/Tankian
Serj ?
dawn canyon
My man
sick sentinel
after a hundred failed cow names yeah
jagged girder
Do we play booming voice now over best served cold?
or is just personal preference?
restive sage
the problem in pf was i played badly and round 2 of that key because i gave up f...
And your bias against him ruined the key?
vapid lynx
@sick sentinel if you are around this weekend i don't kind helping you on my fury war work towards that KSM I need 15s for vault anyway so works out
lofty widget
or is just personal preference?
preference, bsc is more dmg, bv is more ST and easier banner
sick sentinel
And your bias against him ruined the key?
could have, turned me sour anyways, but i thankfully record and review all my footage carefully
so i can see for sure why anomolies happen
late wasp
https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/uv2121/any_fire_mage_enjoyers/
https://www...
I feel called out
Though, applied a bunch of what was mentioned yesterday and parsed about 10% higher in some dungeons
boreal rapids
I haven't tanked at all this expansion. I want to tank m+ should I just start at m0 or start in normal dungeons and work my way up?
strong forum
I'd recommend with starting straight in 15s tbh
Assuming you are geared
You'll learn tanking the fastest by doing content which actually does anything to you
dawn canyon
Youll feel what hurts
strong forum
And if you've never ever played a spec, I recommend hitting a dummy 2-4hrs until you got a bit of muscle memory build up and know which buttons to press
sick sentinel
nothing wrong with doing keys more than 15 if you feel okay with it, i scared my self into thinking cant do past 15's easy bfa
restive sage
could have, turned me sour anyways, but i thankfully record and review all my fo...
Fair - can generally always recover though
sick sentinel
just stop, take a few minutes to look at the routes before you go on your own, and just do best you can
don't try to get emotionally charged, or do something too much different, and just enjoy it, but gotta keep the long term plan of the key in mind while your attacking
best advice i can give
restive sage
Just blast
zenith vale
Is it wrong to spam shield block + reprisal to have the maximum uptime possible ?
zenith vale
hehe yeah seems logical dumb question thx
sick sentinel
yes and no, depends on the mob you are hitting
you get more dmg out of SS, which you should be doing on cd anways, by having SB up, so you do want to have SB when in combat much as possible, however, if you are only facing caster trash, IP could take priority as its your spell DR
zenith vale
Thx !
vernal vale
