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sick sentinel
strong forum
Yo nice legs!
sick sentinel
i'd need legs for set if im to craft helmet, no? legs isn't haste main 😦 even as set
i can find a swap belt
sick sentinel
no?
crit main haste 2nd
ring is crit versa, total garbage, legs is versa haste, which i have 275 set legs, crit haste. and i have a 249 scale equip
lime plume
I would think a 29 ilvl upgrade scale (and 278 scale at that) would be a bigger upgrade than 3 ilvls on the pants but there’s smarter people than me in here who might say otherwise.
sick sentinel
judging by that i got 275 legs already, theres 278 that was waiting for me today, and ppl moaning about what trinket to farm here i think choice is obvious
lime plume
I mean I would take the scale, you’re more likely to get any pants in the future and catalyze them, much less likely to get that specific trinket at max ilvl
But that’s just me
sick sentinel
4650 more dmg and 19,466 more shield
inner forge
Is niya the best soulbind for nightfae protection?
sick sentinel
never been NF never been venthyr much except fury
median tulip
On its perfect situation of 5 targets, the Decanter does roughly the same damage as an equivalent ilvl Phial; on any fewer targets the Phialis better
onyx matrix
Well thats nice to hear
jagged pier
Is niya the best soulbind for nightfae protection?
for raid for, m+ its koryan
sick sentinel
yeah, we got some ppl testing m+ decanter, and it is good
onyx matrix
Lovely
sick sentinel
good as dps trinket, qualifying.
median tulip
I'd always use my Phial TBH
sick sentinel
sack kinda sucks, but its not the worst thing ever
onyx matrix
Im currently stuck with the darn haste circle proc trinket
inner forge
Korayn for m+? Icy veins must be outdated. It reckons niya for prot and korayn for fury/arms.
But from what people of said its korayn for prot and niya for arms/fury
lime urchin
Im currently stuck with the darn haste circle proc trinket
AFE is nice!
lime urchin
Yes! But it’s fine until cooler trinkets drop
vernal vale
Korayn for m+? Icy veins must be outdated. It reckons niya for prot and korayn f...
Guides are typically put of date after a certain point. Especially as it's normally very specific things changed in a patch.
Good starting point but after that better to look at what others are doing.
inner forge
I'll switch them around based on what people are saying. First strike I presume is decent to help with initial threat and bit of parry chance
primal rain
is it any good
dawn canyon
Tokens
toxic pewter
I was playing crackling thunder but bounding stride is just really nice and i like it al ot more
strong forum
is it any good
It's good for parsing, but other than that it's mediocre
cinder storm
I use crackling, it helps me with initial aggro as dps we're constantly bursting while I was charging, but bounding is nicer imo
strong forum
Crackling doesn't do dmg tho
urban portal
Both are reasonable
strong forum
Yes
urban portal
Not bad at catching stragglers
sick sentinel
someone link him the IQD WA if it still exists
and explain how he gets it to do dmg always
dawn canyon
You dont want damage
Youd want stats
Haste during LS in execute sounds like itd slap
icy yarrow
Good Day to all of you, im not a enthusiastic writer on the discord but i keep an eye on the info is posted and all intersting discussion is talking on. That`s why i would like to thank you all for the good support i had in my journey .
strong forum
Grats dude!
strong forum
Ilvl is ilvl
sick sentinel
.24% haste with the gem
strong forum
Tbf
I think the 249s are actually better
Cuz it's only 1 Str difference
And vers vs mastery is a loss
So even dmg wise the 249s are better
hazy edge
So even dmg wise the 249s are better
One day my pull request will get merged and sims will be a lot more accurate and you can just tell people to 
dawn canyon
Haste Mast Socket wrists... Man dood ive been spamming streets for that 
strong forum
One day my pull request will get merged and sims will be a lot more accurate and...
Been a while since I told somebody to actually sim an item
Besides trinkets
hazy edge
I've been cheating and simming my upgrades on a local build cause I have it all 
hollow trellis
So main tank wont come to raid today and I will be tanking for the first time...
Is Necro the way to go for a newbie tank? and is a 272 Heart of swarm better than a heroic OWS?
strong forum
No it's not better
Whilst necro takes a bit more to play, aka actually pressing buttons correctly
I'd still recommend it over others
Unless you have 0 confidence in your pwar and reprisal skills, then you can just default to kyrian, hard to fuck that up
hollow trellis
Probably going wall
I feel more confident using wall to survive
Or is reprisal just much better?
cinder storm
You get free mitigation on charge, that extra defensive is huge for us when starting a pull
strong forum
Not to mention its just flat out alot more rage than wall
hollow trellis
Wall is what people use who are bad
This does sound like me
cinder storm
Isn't reprisal arguably the best leggo?
hollow trellis
I'll just craft a reprisal
strong forum
Isn't reprisal arguably the best leggo?
It is
dawn canyon
Ashen juggernaut in raid 
strong forum
There aren't alot of legendaries who give you tons of resources aswell as give you free uptime on your main mitigation
hollow trellis
K reprisal crafted, thank you Nomeratur 🙂
cinder storm
I wish they'd remove cheat death trinkets, next season is likely a combo of a cheat death+aegis and I don't raid
strong forum
It'll be ows + aegis or aegis + matrix
hollow trellis
I guess having heroic OWS + 278 Soleahs is good enough, right? I have no cheat death trinket
cinder storm
Yes
urban portal
cheat def will not be used next tier considering that 9.1 trinkets are actually good
unless you are doing really hard content
strong forum
WF key andies might run Alar trinket again
cinder storm
Getting into 25s the main issue is fixing pulls and positioning, when something has gone bad a cheat death would've cover for me, won't argue how much I'd like to have aegis on some spicy pulls as well
dawn canyon
WF key andies might run Alar trinket again
Alar over fatescribe one?
strong forum
absolutely
urban portal
they are basically the same
dawn canyon
Since the change it just resses u
urban portal
yeah
cinder storm
Alar does dmg
dawn canyon
Without killing team
urban portal
TIL
urban portal
yea
urban portal
can you start channeling mass res without a target?
dawn canyon
Yes
urban portal
then healer could channel while tank goes suiciding
cinder storm
You can channel it before people die and they will get it lol
strong forum
Last Resort also used to reset on actual death in BFA
so DHs would have 2 cheat deaths
dawn canyon
But now they got fucked
strong forum
who'd reset on actual death
dawn canyon
strong forum
well yeah
but if they have enough targets to get souls from its not much of an issue
until you cant get fel dev resets
then you need to kite
strong forum
yeah thats where they need to play omega cautious
dawn canyon
tyra is prolly just bring dk angle
strong forum
pwar
sick sentinel
when the hell are you supposed to cast FC with marileth, i'm confused
strong forum
between packs
sick sentinel
usually its panic "don't die" button
strong forum
well its that aswell
sick sentinel
cuz, bubble and DR
cinder storm
If you need it as emergency that too
sick sentinel
marileth u get CC while ur doing, it, so u could maybe try to line it up with certain nasty CC caster packs
urban portal
Yeah you prob can
cinder storm
Tattman was running Emeli, but I suppose it was for the mag reduction at his key level
sick sentinel
If for some reason, i had to run emeni, i would do this.
distant crystal
for the next pack 4head
sick sentinel
cuz, u get 1 stack, for 3% when the healer mob dies instantly, and then at end of pack u got full 5 stacks
like, on the pack before golem in theatre, theres a golem and a bunch of lil dudes jump out of wall, bam, instant 15% haste for 10s
cinder storm
If for some reason, i had to run emeni, i would do this.
change the deep wounds for unnerving focus and we got a deal
sick sentinel
change the deep wounds for unnerving focus and we got a deal
it's already equiped row 1
toxic pewter
yah it really is I cannot deny it
sick sentinel
bonesmith might be good this week because long execute phases on bosses tyranical
waxen orbit
Explosive week boys
Time to waste outburst charged shield slams on explosives to prevent wipes when your healer inevitably forgets their job
sick sentinel
bring a ranged class with instant attacks is my advice
median tulip
It's usually a healer job, aye, but on big pulls the DPS need to step up a bit
sick sentinel
objection; hearsay, its the dps job imho, they should use a filler spam dmg ability to kill it if possible
median tulip
You can charge the Explosives though
urban portal
after a certain key level you dont one shot it with only charge
thats literally a case of "just get more vers 4head"
in the beginning of the tier they lived a charge in a 15
dawn canyon
You will not catch me killing an explosive as DPS ngl
sick sentinel
i remember in 8.0 keys were hard as shit due to blizzard affix and dungeon design
sick sentinel
everything besides a pet monster would perma bolster or add explosives, necrotic was (horrible thing),
umbral island
Can we run war machine to devastate explosives and get ez rage?
sick sentinel
wanting to bind devesate
urban portal
technically you can
dawn canyon
If you should is a different question
sick sentinel
i mean, even if you have to solo the explosive with no buffs or fuck all, worst case its gunna take 1-3 attacks at most
umbral island
Yah that was more my question, better to just rip shield slams into them if I really have to than to try some weird war machine stuff I guess lol
sick sentinel
shield slam hits well over like, what, 3500? non crits with just ap buff and gear
cinder storm
just bring a dh for explosives, oh wait, they suck now
mighty valley
really not worth switching off devastate - you can take a few steps away to heroic throw, and honestly for the ones that spawn close your autoattack timer is fast enough to handle them almost always
also bully your healer into doing more
winter ridge
new prot warrior ...coming from other tanks...is there a way to keep from my fingers from getting so tired and feeling overwhelmed with all the buttons to press? maybe macro somethings together?
median tulip
new prot warrior ...coming from other tanks...is there a way to keep from my fin...
Not really. The only things I macro into other things is I put my racial into my Avatar cast
cinder storm
They should make explosives with a 5-10s timer where the amount they spawn is rng but no bigger than 5. Its just annoying when you get 5 explosives and 5 more afterwards
urban portal
just bring a dh for explosives, oh wait, they suck now
havoc sees a lot of high level m+ play
though thats mainly because of china
median tulip
new prot warrior ...coming from other tanks...is there a way to keep from my fin...
A macro that drops Ravager right on you or on a cursor point is a timesaver though
echo egret
How do you check all the spells reflected during a M+ run on warcraftlogs ?
cinder storm
welcome to carpal tunnel discord
urban portal
How do you check all the spells reflected during a M+ run on warcraftlogs ?
you cant
echo egret
dammit
echo egret
I want spell reflect events, actually
cinder storm
new prot warrior ...coming from other tanks...is there a way to keep from my fin...
intervene/charge macro @ cursor is one of your best friends
urban portal
and see if they took damage from their own spells
winter ridge
Thx all...guess i need to do some more finger crunches
robust rover
Is there a spot in logs to see intervene damage reduced or taken? Like how much intervene helped with damage intake on a group member?
hazy edge
99% of dr's aren't implemented in logs. Only one I can think of is Will of the Necropolis and that's cause the game treats it like an absorb
grave crane
new prot warrior ...coming from other tanks...is there a way to keep from my fin...
Redo your key binds so the high button presses are easier, I got a mmo mouse and moved revenge and IP to 4 and 5. Other than that start working your fingers out champ we the strongest tanks 💪
mighty valley
I think keybinds are the most important things, identify where your hand has to move from resting position and don't do it often
shut summit
I want spell reflect events, actually
&pins=2%24Main%24%23244F4B%24expression%24missType%3D"REFLECT"%5E2%24Main%24%23244F4B%24expression%24missType%3D"DEFLECT"&type=damage-taken&view=events
put that at end of the log url
urban portal
is sense just going crazy or what
did you have that already or did you just wrote up the query
toxic pewter
how much vers and crit is ideal you guys think
echo egret
```&pins=2%24Main%24%23244F4B%24expression%24missType%3D"REFLECT"%5E2%24Main%24%...
Thank you very much. On your spell reflect sheet, I don't know if it's worth mentioning, but when Custom Officers have the Hard Light Baton buff, you can spell reflect one melee hit of that.
The important thing to note being that your spell reflect will be eaten by that, actually.
toxic pewter
that feeling full avatar, full rage bar, outburst boss under 20% execute go burrr
mighty valley
how much vers and crit is ideal you guys think
as much as the highest ilvl gear in the game gives you
toxic pewter
yah but i can get gear that gives me either one and haste
inner forge
Is mikanious really a big improvement over niya from nightfae for example?
Leveled all nightfae companions etc and I love having the movement from soulshape.
But when I'm tanking I could just swap to kyrian if it'll be a big improvement. Heard bron can be a pain though
eternal moth
guides are pretty worthless in my experience, your best bet would be to make WarcraftLogs your first stop when you come to a new spec
then try and find a guide that matches what top players are actually doing
strong forum
Kyrian is all around better with mikan + em than NF
NF leggo is also bugged and targetcapped
In regards to the guides
Idk what they at tbh
ancient reef
why are so many necro if kyrian is better
strong forum
This was a response to captain holt
Necro is 30%+ better than any other cov
It's not even close
If you're not playing necro you're trolling or doing low keys where necro can't get traction because of short fight times and downtime
inner forge
I might just keep switching between nightfae for regular content. And go kyrian for pushing.
I've tried necro and didn't find I was getting the most use out of it. Especially with dps that didn't really use mastery for dmg
dawn canyon
Remember you can swap whenever with little effort
strong forum
You don't use necro for others
You use it for yourself exclusively
It's an over 30% dmg buff for you
And over 30% defensive buff aswell
strong forum
If you can't get good uptime on it then I'd look into figuring out how, that's how good it is
onyx matrix
we all know venthyr execute prot warr is the best
strong forum
Kyrian is fine for lower content, very simple and easy to use
dawn canyon
we all know venthyr execute prot warr is the best
Overdosing on copium
strong forum
But if you wanna get the most bang for your buck as pwar, necro it is
urban portal
venth does less execute damage than necro
onyx matrix
currently play night fae kek
strong forum
Venth does less execute dmg than kyrian
(have not checked up on that but condemn hits weaker than execute)
inner forge
So for necro. What soulbind is best? Plague Lord?
hallow grail
How tf do you compete with that? 34 buffs on heroic LoD?
urban portal
condemn is the same
condemn used to hit 10% harder
then they buffed execute than 10%
so its even ish
dawn canyon
How tf do you compete with that? 34 buffs on heroic LoD?
You filter by eu and na logs
urban portal
give or take 2-3%
dawn canyon
By*
strong forum
It's an EU/Na log
strong forum
Also, you dont
dawn canyon
We dps do it since the CN top logs are that 80 buff bullshit
For tanks you prolly dont need that
sweet summit
only copers do that 
strong forum
It's faeries + PI
hazy edge
How tf do you compete with that? 34 buffs on heroic LoD?
If you click this part it will remove all logs w/ externals
strong forum
It is
dawn canyon
Jailer p4 annihilator
strong forum
Only unholy dk does more execute dam
dawn canyon
toxic pewter
wait unholy dk has an execute ability?
toxic pewter
that bad ass
dawn canyon
Buffs all their pets with tier
toxic pewter
i wish prot warrior could get 35%
dawn canyon
You get a free one
ocean yoke
do it blizzard you cowards
strong forum
We'd be right up there competing with bdk on dps
strong forum
It's called ITF
eternal moth
/console scripterrors 1 and see which addons/weakauras are causing UI errors
strong forum
Im not even sure if 35% or the haste would be more dam
Rn it would be the 35%
Almost doubling execute window is an easy 2-3k dps gain
hollow kayak
Not specifically a prot question, but you're all great so maybe you can help me (and I was playing prot war, so it counts?).
Wo skipping on Spires before the 3rd boss. My stealth broke at the top of the stairs and I cannot figure out why.
I didn't have grievous. I didn't have kevin out. I wasn't doing anything other than running.
Can any of you log experts figure out what happened?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/tjrq69GQP2cBpwkZ#fight=2&type=summary&pull=18&view=events
hollow kayak
But that was 2 seconds after the first guy hit me.
(I walked back in to kick the goliath so he didn't cast on my party and knock them out of stealth too)
eternal moth
new prot warrior ...coming from other tanks...is there a way to keep from my fin...
(or you can rebind your hotkeys to make sure you can hit all your main 5+ cast-per-minute abilities comfortably without modifiers, and read up on ergonomics and adjust your desk/chair/etc)
chrome falcon
But that was 2 seconds after the first guy hit me.
(I walked back in to kick th...
nah you 100% stood in the bad stuff it's the only thing in the dungeon that can break you out of wo
don't even need to look at the log to know that
dude on the right has a puddle of bad around him that knocks you into combat
happens to me in my runs way more often than i'd like
strong forum
^
hollow kayak
Ok, that makes sense. So can you not wo skip up there, or?
strong forum
Or that ye
chrome falcon
or 2 seater mount or warlock portal
dawn canyon
Same
grave crane
dude on the right has a puddle of bad around him that knocks you into combat
I would imagine pets can also walk in that and pull them?
chrome falcon
pets don't get hit by ground aoe
and they don't pull stuff into combat until you're in combat
grave crane
So the hunter who pulled just walked in the puddle then ok j wasn’t sure how he got us in combat when we were Wo skipping
shut summit
its not 100% puddle everytime, those mobs pulse combat or some stupid shit, you can see it happen where you drop the stealth bubble from wo but dont actually aggro them
wanton ridge
This week is prot week fosure
Cant get inv to a +15 on 275 fury 2.6k
Better get the hunter 250 to kill the orbs smh
wanton ridge
Oh, right, i need 3k for a 15
dawn canyon
Exactly
strong forum
Even that is dicey
dawn canyon
If you arent mdi pulling in 15
strong forum
Need 3k + meta spec
strong forum
Meanwhile buddy of mine with 0io and 240 ilvl did 20s on his pwar cuz it was his own key
strong forum
Now that I've done 50+ 2-8 keys to get my shield, it's actually crazy how picky people are on those levels
shut summit
strong forum
They're literally waiting for 30+ applicants to choose
wanton ridge
Now that I've done 50+ 2-8 keys to get my shield, it's actually crazy how picky ...
Its insane
strong forum
Sitting in lfg longer than the actual key will take
dawn canyon
They're literally waiting for 30+ applicants to choose
Me, but i forgot i was listing while alt tabbed shitposting
strong forum
Just to get those 2 warlocks and a priest
hallow grail
man
dawn canyon
Just to get those 2 warlocks and a priest
Need bl for +2 seramore
strong forum
That's some boost level of logboosting
white viper
dawn canyon
By like 70 externals
hollow kayak
its not 100% puddle everytime, those mobs pulse combat or some stupid shit, you ...
Interesting. Also frustrating.
shut summit
yep, just heroic leap up the ledge to the side like they said earlier to avoid it
echo egret
Still stitting at 1k rage wasted and only 55% blocked hit dmg, that's a bit depressing
blazing condor
Yes
eternal moth
Sitting in lfg longer than the actual key will take
shit's infuriating
it's like "I can solo the fucking dungeon, just pick the next 3 scrubs at your level and let's fucking go already"
"I can solo the dungeon, the priest you invited can solo the dungeon, the hunter you invite can solo the dungeon, just invite literally the top guy on the list and let's go!!!!!111"
sick sentinel
that bubble the new scale puts on is huge, over half my hp bar
eager star
Just got a codex drop - is it still bugged in that it pulls distant mobs?
dawn canyon
If ur targetting them
It's a bit funky
But you can use it to pull stuff through walls in mists
eager star
cool. thanks
toxic pewter
thinking of making chest piece unity legendary anyone do that
sick sentinel
i wanted to do it on gloves because ass stats on gloves
mighty valley
chest is a good slot I think if you're not expecting mythic raid gear
gloves is a low stat slot, bad idea
sick sentinel
im not sold on that idea, but we will see i guess, im not quite revered yet, almost
cinder storm
Chest if not raiding
sick sentinel
i don't do any raiding so biggest set pieces ill get is 278s already got legs+chest 275, depends if i get a haste belt,
eternal moth
Hey, how tough are mythic raids these days? I've been kinda thinking about getting into mythic raiding
If it's about on par with +20s maybe I should take the plunge.. if it's like everyone in the raid needs to do a mage tower encounter at the same time, though, that's a bit too hard for me
cinder storm
The hardest part about raiding is the other 19 people
eternal moth
I'll leave that to the bean counters to handle
er, esteemed guild leadership
minor helm
mighty valley
mythic raiding is a scheduling challenge and a roster challenge mostly if everyone is m+ capable
the later bosses are genuinely tough coordination challenges though
eternal moth
OK, yeah, that makes sense. Thanks dudes, maybe I'll give it a shot if my current heroic-only guild takes a break
chrome falcon
this tier was stupidly difficulty before a bunch of nerfs
i think it's still pretty tough and the last 4 overall are extremely tough
jailer looks like a real piece of shit fight
mighty valley
i don't know what recruitment looks like now, it started out as a really difficult "get recruited as a prot warrior" tier
chrome falcon
lots of stories of mediocre guilds and recruitment officers denying prot warriors yes
sturdy sable
Can you blame them
urban portal
And most of the time one of the tanks knows the people irl
vernal vale
I got my foot in the door to start raiding again if only as fury for now. I will as always jump at the chance to play prot.
sick sentinel
And most of the time one of the tanks knows the people irl
very little that can stop a geared tank with some io/acheivements from getting into key/raid/guild lol
always needed
urban portal
Nah
I have a 2x ce friend
Can’t get into any guild that is also ce
Not even like top end ce guilds either
Just any 9/10 guilds
chrome falcon
yeah the idea that tanks are "always needed" in a guild hasn't been true since raids needed 5 tanks
tanks also tend to be 100% attendance so there's not even a "third tank" position, you just have your ret paladin play prot if your other tank is sick
median tulip
It's true for keys, but any guild without 2 tanks isn't a raiding guild
chrome falcon
also guilds don't tend to replace tanks with better players
in the same way they do with dps
90% of guilds will stick with a tank that's "good enough" even if a better one is applying
urban portal
^
vernal vale
Sadly
urban portal
Once you are in you are in forever
median tulip
Tanks also (there are exceptions, but by and large) tend not to be the kind of people who generate a toxic atmosphere
median tulip
Yeah, like I say there are exceptions
But generally
There's something about DPS - I think the fact that you can meter exactly how "good" your DPS is, unlike healer and tank - that leads a lot of people playing it who act like that's a proxy for their self-worth
Is anyone on the PTR? Do the skips to Sludgefist/Kel'thuzad/Anduin work if you had them from earlier seasons?
old flame
any thoughts on this vault?
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/garrosh/ilyamurometz character sheet for reference
mighty valley
I'd take 10 ilvls on shoulders
scenic mural
I personally would replace decanter with opc
mighty valley
OPC is alright but it's not gonna last forever
scenic mural
But i lile the trinket so theres that
mighty valley
Either one is justifiable
urban portal
Codex bad
old flame
still haven't found a use for my H scars
I feel like, codex is okay, it's just not great as prot.
shoulders is probably the right play, converting to tier obv
urban portal
It’s pretty bad
6% dps down from not having strength
Heals less than aegis and scale every run
toxic pewter
IS PHIAL AND SACK A GOOD COMBO
ocean yoke
big dick single target
chrome falcon
what content are you doing
ocean yoke
depends what youre doing. i usually have 2 dps ones unless im doing some content level youd want a defensive for
chrome falcon
that is a very vague question
toxic pewter
not really
chrome falcon
so why equip a defensive trinket
toxic pewter
true but scary in a way
ocean yoke
if you feel worried running without a defensive one take aegis or something, youll do less damage with one but if you think you need one go for it
for those who have done m halondrus, any particular tips or rough spots to watch out for at all? we start prog on it tonight
waxen orbit
May have just been a 24 NW but a pretty decent overall for playing defensively for the majority
Def could have broken 16k if I didn't scuff the route
sick sentinel
why does the warrior intervene the mage in the video? only cuz he kills shit ig?
mage often far from battle, maybe it's saying to intervene mage to get out of mechanics
toxic pewter
May have just been a 24 NW but a pretty decent overall for playing defensively f...
wow wtf how are you getting 14k 'playing defensively'
thats crazy
sick sentinel
is it a p war, my guess is yes because when he combats with skeletons he gives back does nothing and starts dancing
feels accurate
mighty egret
wow wtf how are you getting 14k 'playing defensively'
hes a dirty crit stacker
toxic pewter
damn i want to stack crit
it sort of makes sense, less time the mobs alive the less healing
waxen orbit
Best part is I'm not even purposely running crit
It's just what drops
But honestly crit is a fine stat
Vers is dookie mane
EZ parries and big slaps
toxic pewter
I will admit the parry is the icing on the cake for crit
it would be one thing if it were purely offensive.. but actually has the perry
waxen orbit
You already flatten out a shitload of damage so just parrying shit outright is awesome
toxic pewter
what is your parry %
sick sentinel
imagine if warrior have holy shield block spell passively copium
waxen orbit
parry a shadowcore
Just IP thru it
Basically already have giga IP and everything up with tier set + necro
waxen orbit
what is your parry %
Lemme check logs
And if your group misses the kick on it they're just bad
Speaking as someone who regularly got hit by them last season whenever attempting high fort DOS with pugs
No amount of vers can fix LFG doofuses
waxen orbit
what is your parry %
Looks like in that Wake I parried 3 of 8 total Deconstructs from Urh, 2 of 3 Heaving Retches (I intervened my DPS when they got targeted), 18 of 54 of some spell called Melee (Not to be confused with melee autoattacks), and 33.86% of autoattacks (Parried 711 of 2,100 total melee autoattacks)
So a very substantial amount of damage completely ignored
toxic pewter
thats actually really good O_O
waxen orbit
Yeah exactly
People sleep on it and think vers is superior when in actuality, crit, when stacked high, is fucking massive in high/higher key registers
toxic pewter
parry and blocking together... so much mitigation
i guess its the magic dmg that causes people to stack vers
but with our tier and the tons of ignore pains i feel like that helps against magic dmg a lot
idle mortar
Does necro banner give buff to Allie’s for the entire extended duration? Logs are showing it isn’t
drifting fable
it does not
idle mortar
Lameeeee Ty
waxen orbit
but with our tier and the tons of ignore pains i feel like that helps against ma...
The IP and tier absolutely help
drifting fable
they get it when you recast tho
idle mortar
Having to sub in this week cuz our BDK is out
idle mortar
on avg how long can you keep banner going? ive been extending it about a minute, but i feel like thats not optimal. guess it depends on fight
waxen orbit
Depends on fight
idle mortar
about 60% uptime so far
median tulip
on avg how long can you keep banner going? ive been extending it about a minute,...
In perfect circumstance, indefinitely. In non-perfect circumstances, it varies wildly but 60% uptime is fairly easy
idle mortar
kk ty
toxic pewter
phial generally considered better than sack right
hazy edge
in aoe
toxic pewter
maybe I run sack during tyrannical week?
urban portal
phial is generally better
they sim about equal on st
but phial has strength so it means more defensive stats
plucky hearth
hazy edge
We had this last week Y'all got this tho! def will get it Thursday
hazy edge
Anduin is waaaay harder than lords as well. Lords legit took us a day and a half of prog. Soon you'll be 9/11
waxen orbit
Anduin is waaaay harder than lords as well. Lords legit took us a day and a half...
Throwback to this banger of a tweet
hazy edge
One of the best tweets we got outta rwf
blazing condor
thats just plane wrong
zenith vale
@waxen orbit i love ur mass crit
could you show a detail dmg breakdown?
curious to see the top 5 spells
waxen orbit
Boutta go to bed but here
Detailed log if anyone wants to take a closer look at it
zenith vale
thx !
waxen orbit
Fairly scuffed key from routing getting ruined with an accidental +8% trash pulled and 2 wipes so overall DPS probably would have been 2k higher across the board for everyone
Something to keep in mind. It’s not the full potential DPS/performance given this scenario is what I’m getting at ig
Anyways I go
zenith vale
gn, thx
clever summit
Hello there! Codex 278 or xymox trinket 278?
strong forum
Both suck
You're gonna get more milage out of riftshard, albeit bad milage
This sounds like a vault question and if you can, don't pick either
stuck kite
anyone have a list of mob that galvanized in dungeon?
is the littles drake in soa, galvanizing?
strong forum
I don't know what you mean by that
chilly rivet
Morning guys, quick question. Why do so man people play with the set chest even though it has high mastery on it. If you cant raid mythic rn wouldnt it be better to craft unity on chest?
strong forum
It is better to craft it on chest
If you won't get 285s
Also high mastery isnt bad
Set gloves are much worse cuz they don't have any haste
chilly rivet
but dont you get into a strong haste dr anyway
strong forum
You don't get into 20% DR anyway
Even with full haste gear
So you are to take more haste if you can
I'm rn at 36% haste and I don't have any pieces that don't have haste
chilly rivet
thank you mate
strong forum
And I personally will craft unity on belt for now cuz I don't have any good belts, I have bis rings, and my chest has leech 
Also free socket on belt that way
onyx matrix
Did anyone of you get anything good from the great vault?
strong forum
You guys can choose where to craft unity?
Not yet
strong forum
Did anyone of you get anything good from the great vault?
Not home for another 8hrs
onyx matrix
Imagine if de other side trinket just lies there already, waiting to be obtained
Crystal one
strong forum
I really don't care about-
Was about to say
Idk what I want
I'm pretty set for now
Can't loot phial/opc/decanter cuz I still need 278 shield from vault so it's pretty much up in the air
brittle owl
onyx matrix
moment of truth
ionic fern
median tulip
278 So'leah's with Leech to replace my 272
+6 STR, +2 of whichever secondary... I'll take it, I guess
blazing condor
median tulip
Can't loot phial/opc/decanter cuz I still need 278 shield from vault so it's pre...
I feel your pain, I'm in the exact same situation
strong forum
278 So'leah's with Leech to replace my 272
L E E C H
strong forum
? To help them reduce dmg intake so it doesn't become an issue for healers / potential wipe for the raid/Party
devout heron
okay
for example giving PI in a dire situation so they press mitigation buttons faster
in order to survive right?
devout heron
so which externals
strong forum
PI does fall under the category external, but when asked like you did, one would assume Pain suppression, guardian spirit, iron bark, sac and cocoon
devout heron
Pain supression which spec?
strong forum
Disc priest
median tulip
When I used to play my Priest Alt, Guardian Spirit was basically "slap this on the bear and forget about them for its duration"
strong forum
Respectable
mystic warren
can anyone tell me how to sim without missing autoattacks, for halondrus
mystic warren
ah didn't know that
lone solstice
can someone help me out here. forgot to log this boss last night, but i have no idea what happened - i was taunting and then basically dead instantly, not sure what the crushed mechanic is
lime urchin
Double pneumatic?
cinder pasture
can someone help me out here. forgot to log this boss last night, but i have no ...
That sounds like you stood underneath the boss when he appeared. That's an instant death
strong forum
Yeah if you stand where the boss rolls out to you just die
undone verge
can someone help me out here. forgot to log this boss last night, but i have no ...
Boss was rolling out, basically just does however much health you have left. In the first week or two of mythic a guild discovered you could spell reflect it and the warrior one shot the boss
However it didn’t count as his dmg and their kill got removed from the leaderboards and it was patched
They still got their loot and achieves tho
sick sentinel
necro will be a billion times better second this damn teleportation to oribos opens up 11h 52m to go
chrome falcon
why are you even going to your covenant hall
i think i went there once this whole patch
vernal vale
why are you even going to your covenant hall
free gold from the mission table
tropic linden
Don't have the patience to organize those missions
zenith vale
I don’t understand
All guides including wowhead says use Revenge only when free proc
tropic linden
Legion and BFA had much better mission tables, much more intuitive, didn't need an addon
zenith vale
But i see you all with revenge at high dps
tropic linden
They are wrong
tropic linden
IP don't have a CD
chrome falcon
IP has no CD
zenith vale
IP is off I meant my bad
chrome falcon
you only use IP to dump rage
tropic linden
We only use IP when we are gonna cap rage
zenith vale
Aura off
zenith vale
Okkk
chrome falcon
until you have so much rage that you can't spend it all
zenith vale
Thx !
chrome falcon
just don't overcap
if your rage bar is ever "full" outside of last stand
you did something wrong
robust rover
When I run Tyrannical Gambit (20s), typically I Wo first pack, then we lust first boss and 3rd boss. However, I always feel the dragon boss is way harder and would prefer lust there. Any thoughts on routes to still gain value from lust or is it just better to keep lusting on 1st and 3rd bosses?
zenith vale
k my bad it was the prot PvP wowhead section
Saying don’t use revenge except when free
chrome falcon
lol well that's wrong too
strong forum
All guides including wowhead says use Revenge only when free proc
U sure you're checking an up to date section
?
Cuz guides have 300 different sub sections and not every section is being updated every time
zenith vale
Yeah it was the PvP section
mental scarab
@robust rover you can kill the left pack last on second boss and have vy for the boss
strong forum
For tank?
zenith vale
But as a Arms/Fury/prot pvper i known it’s wrong
Yep i play prot at 2000 mmr in 3s
And frankly the guide is not good
sick sentinel
blazed throuh a mythic 0 halls in 16 minutes
strong forum
Ofc it isn't
Tanks don't belong in arena
That section is just there for it to be there
They got paid to do it probably once in bfa and its in there since then
zenith vale
i usually make my own builds and make it work in arena
Im 2600 mmr as a outlaw crit and 2000-2100 as prot bodyguard for example
i dont like following the meta
zenith vale
yes i don’t make the game dampen much more as I don’t heal like a prot pal
I use the toolkit to protect my healer who is trained
Work good atm
I do 70-80% of my dps dps
love it
Made some 30-45k slams yesterday too
strong forum
Na I'm vehemently against tanks in arena
They shouldn't even be allowed to Q it
I'll die on that hill
mortal brook
i actually like the way solo shuffle deals with it
wouldnt mind that for a standard
zenith vale
nomeratur im against guardian and prot pal too
But our prot War doesnt harm
Because we don’t heal
We don’t even damp that much
strong forum
I'll die on that hill
zenith vale
Prot War is not lame ! 
strong forum
It's lame cuz you're less useful than the other 2 specs you have
And you die quicker than arms
So you're just hindering your team
mortal brook
what if my team is also enjoying the comp
zenith vale
Yep it’s friends and my heal love to be protected
mortal brook
solo shuffle p good way of containment tho
zenith vale
Without revenge and revenge conduit yet and with much less crit than I have now
And 10x the fury toolkit
even arms
Also I’m a lot more tanky than arms
Im main Arms mglad u can trust me on that
strong forum
Revenge conduit only buffs thunderclap so you can ignore that
zenith vale
Yup but Thunder is on the rotation
Even PvP one
Thx for the Revenge line guys I will use it a lot more
And be near the dps of my dps now
strong forum
Sure it's on the rotation but it provides very very little of your dmg in pvp I imagine
Ashen jugg should prove more useful
Aswell as AAP and Cov conduit
And I doubt you can slot in 4 potencies
mortal brook
how can i believe you if you dont do the content, friendo
strong forum
I remember a certain clip of a certain someone toilet devastating in arena
zenith vale
Hmm Nop nomeratur sadly ashen only works with Condemn
mortal brook
strong forum
???
sick sentinel
I remember a certain clip of a certain someone toilet devastating in arena
toilet devestation occurs after taco bell
mortal brook
or early mothership-archon
robust rover
<@273582192326868994> you can kill the left pack last on second boss and have v...
Thanks. Might try that setup and look at my route around it.
mental scarab
@robust rover Yea just have a range dps or healer run and start the boss trash timer when you kill the last pack upstairs
So you dont lose time
onyx matrix
i usually make my own builds and make it work in arena
Love ya!
zenith vale
<3 always think out of the box
onyx matrix
Exactly!
wanton ridge
Guys, how's the rotation to optimize necro banner in M+?
potent anvil
Mostly rage expenditure. Charge/intervene (assuming reprisal) as often as possible to spend.
wanton ridge
I necro before Charge?
jagged pier
u should necro before spending any rage
wanton ridge
I just usually Charge > sb > necro > pop ravager and then Revenge IP to spend
I don't Charge/interv that much tho
potent anvil
Making use of reprisal is big rage generation. So it'll help a lot with banner uptime. I wouldnt go out of my way to min/max it at the cost of being mispositioned or accidentally flipping mobs towards dps and they get frontal'd or anything.
Could also play Booming Voice (demo shout generates 40 rage) talent. Can help too
wanton ridge
I talented BSC
potent anvil
Yeah thats fine
wanton ridge
Gonna get gut then, ty boys
strong forum
Ravager before charging
iron lagoon
Why aren't pwar high tier ? Everyone put it c tier (kekw) and still lowest ehrps. Average damage but banner. Not talking about community perception. Is it only because "pwar hard must zug" mentality ? Heard pwar get flattened by magic but like most tanks. I play monk protpal bdk and tempted to try war but idk
toxic pewter
imo, It’s mostly community perception mixed with a reality that prot warrior is the most punishing tank if played poorly. As a result, it’s sort of in a viscous cycle currently.
strong forum
They don't now anything and don't even attempt to understand it /give it a shot
sturdy sable
They also require dps to be competent as well
Which is like 5% of all dps players so
strong forum
Pwar needs a good environment to thrive
sturdy sable
Much like a flower
strong forum
So if you group is awful, so will be your pwar
Other tanks have more bandaids to not look at bad
I keep saying it, but until pwar is the best, it'll be perceived as the worst
There is no in-between for the broad masses
sturdy sable
Or until we get some bs get out of jail free card
hardy ridge
Pwarr is fkn broken, ppl are too pepega to play it well
sturdy sable
Lemme cleave executes
strong forum
Pwarr is fkn broken, ppl are too pepega to play it well
Ya I've heard that a couple times now
I've converted a few people in other discords
hardy ridge
We’ll reach the masses one day 
iron totem
Why aren't pwar high tier ? Everyone put it c tier (kekw) and still lowest ehrps...
cause you dont see it on the MDI clown fiesta and ppl are too much braindead to "play what the pro play"...even on the +15/20 range
strong forum
ocean yoke
just need whichever content creator they regurgitate their own opinions from to say different
strong forum
That's the hardest part
chilly brook
like I said
probably not until s4
usually it takes a full season for people to actually realize something that's perceived as bad isn't
iron lagoon
cause you dont see it on the MDI clown fiesta and ppl are too much braindead to ...
I mean, yeah thats for sure. Now imagine a world where people don't sleep on pwar. Does it have glaring weakness ? I mean the more i look at pwar the more i'm like "wtf isn"t it represented in high keys". I know thats because braindead (go go andy show them). But we see in 29 30 keys that prot pal is floorpov. Bdk very good but start to get flattened at every corner too.
pwar seems very tanky (rip magical tho, but still have ip and reflect)
vernal vale
just need whichever content creator they regurgitate their own opinions from to ...
This will never happen. The big names are all what's easiest to play.
hazy edge
usually it takes a full season for people to actually realize something that's p...
Unless that person is Andy. He's very very very good at figuring shit like this out. Mostly cause he gives 0 shits about the "meta" and is willing to try things.
chilly brook
Unless that person is Andy. He's very very very good at figuring shit like this ...
By people I’m referring to the community perception
gray iris
hey guys is there a way to select individial mobs easily in a pack... I always find myself pressing multiple tabs to get to the right mob as it is so difficult to select from the mouse especially when they are buched tightly together
chilly brook
hey guys is there a way to select individial mobs easily in a pack... I always f...
With your mouse
Good nameplates go a long way
gray iris
Good nameplates go a long way
is that an addon?
median tulip
hey guys is there a way to select individial mobs easily in a pack... I always f...
Plater helps. If you're trying to pick up Urh, I highly recommend a simply macro:
/tar Urh
gray iris
Plater helps. If you're trying to pick up Urh, I highly recommend a simply macro...
not just urh i stuggle with other mobs aswell...for example shaper in the mists
median tulip
IDK, I do interrupts with a mouseover macro and plater nameplates so I never have that issue
gray iris
i was watching youtube and this guy had names of the mob shown clearly on the screen...can you tell me that addon name?
hollow kayak
Do you have a screenshot or a link? Have you considered leaving a comment in that video asking?
median tulip
Did they look like this?
sick sentinel
can't kill explosives with scale can i
gray iris
Do you have a screenshot or a link? Have you considered leaving a comment in tha...
wait ill get the screenshot
sick sentinel
Plater helps. If you're trying to pick up Urh, I highly recommend a simply macro...
is this for targetting the urh relic or spawn
median tulip
is this for targetting the urh relic or spawn
It works on both
gray iris
like this for example
sick sentinel
okay, and so what am i supposed to do in plater?
median tulip
okay, and so what am i supposed to do in plater?
Nah that's just a macro, that part is nothing to do with Plater
gray iris
he was able to easily select the mob
median tulip
like this for example
Yeah that's a nameplate addon of some description.
sick sentinel
maybe there is a WA like the spell reflect one and any time a blockable comes up, the WA comes up.
thatd be great lol
iron lagoon
Thanks for all responses, just last question. I heard multiple time (in this discussion again) that pwar is very punishing and that playing it without a good group = rip. I'm often madge about bdk when i can't have drw uptime and i'm useless floorpov because poor plays from all of us. Is war really that "bad" in pug ? I mean you can mess up banner uptime but not by much i think ? It's seems easier to keep than drw. I mostly play with pugs so yeah better asking before
sick sentinel
tell them to play around you when its possible, and go urh when possible (say its the best dps option cuz it is for all)
median tulip
Thanks for all responses, just last question. I heard multiple time (in this dis...
It's not just a group issue, it's also a player skill issue.
iron lagoon
Yeah but is that all ? Seems easy (i mean not that hard with pugs as everyone say). Zug banner uptime, pull with ideally 0 downtime (like bdk), and just weave charge/intervene without killing dps, not waste rage etc
iron lagoon
From my view it seems a lot like current bdk : Need X uptime, so little downtime (drw - banner), Don't overcap because you swim in resources etc Except the weird gameplay loop for sb uptime
jagged pier
it has nothing to do with DRW and banner uptime
its upto a blood dk can take a huge shadowcore and just heal it back up
prot cant take that
and heal it back up
sick sentinel
i sort of wish that shield slam was like a aoe, or small cleave attack
jagged pier
thats what we mean by more punishing
iron lagoon
Who can ? Prot pal with wogs maybe but they get more phys damage. Brew not bueno, drood same i guess ?
sick sentinel
hits another target close by for less, and they have there magic casting screwed up, or a daze or stun incap 0.5-1s
i have to imagine a guy slapping you with a huge piece of wood and metal really hurts
jagged pier
Who can ? Prot pal with wogs maybe but they get more phys damage. Brew not bueno...
prot paladin can solo inturpt, they also get holy shield, bdk can just death strike, bear had shield from leggo and freinzed, monk just staggers it, VDH has wards and healing etc etc. if theres no intrupt prot literally has to take it to the face and if u screw it up or heals not on point u die
toxic pewter
I think making bolster baseline and give prot warrior 35% execute. Can make prot warriors niche as the 'execute tank' we do best when mobs about to die. What you think
sick sentinel
ontop of telling your team to take urh show them this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZEPgLkzhwE
(you are robotnik here)
cinder storm
I think making bolster baseline and give prot warrior 35% execute. Can make prot...
That would not work, I did 17k on mist boss playing poorly. We would simply become the go to tank on tyrannical weeks
sick sentinel
we will be the execute tank
a wild General Kaal approaches, GG, (difficulty, your venthyr, and so you still can't hit her with execute)
wild hemlock
is that the yellow name earlier that i didnt recognize
dawn canyon
It's Andybrews warrior
wild hemlock
ahhhh is he live
wild hemlock
i know who andy is lol
dawn canyon
Yea for some reason he goes under the radar sometimes
But it's cool he's more known nowadays
Relogged brew
jagged pier
inner forge
plague deviser marileth soulbind of choice for prot warrior then?
median tulip
plague deviser marileth soulbind of choice for prot warrior then?
Yes
inner forge
Thanks
drifting fable
season 4 next week lads
onyx matrix
really
nice
what happens with our m+ gear then? will we be able to upgrade it more or how will it work? do we have to re-farm it all again?
drifting fable
bout damn time. upper reaches has been closed since i lvled my warrior and ive been reprisal-less for a while lol.
not sure, the notes are up tho
onyx matrix
ahh so we wont be locked behind valor each week @dawn canyon
dawn canyon
Course not
drifting fable
valor cap is gone anyways
deep steppe
drifting fable
i think i got confused cuz theyre already testing s4 stuff on ptr right? i suppose that means it wont be too long
odd tree
official post says later this summer
drifting fable
gotcha, thanks
strong forum
ye was about to say
drifting fable
reading is difficult
wanton ridge
They already said it, patch 9.2.5 doesnt mean s4
Good, i havent got My +20 portal yet
strong forum
youll never use those portals again anyway
drifting fable
do you get one for tavesh lol. not thay its a long flight
sick sentinel
reflect slime injection PF?
strong forum
do you get one for tavesh lol. not thay its a long flight
ye but you gotta do both gambit and streets
strong forum
reflect slime injection PF?
100%
toxic pewter
https://i.imgur.com/wx5rVWq.png
damn thats the belt i want!!!
toxic pewter
ohhh for the unity legendary or wat
drifting fable
remember when patterns was bi-weekly
sick sentinel
yeah, he's an annoying one, 3 jumps + x + pattern (repeating of course), and then have to be on his ass or ready with pummel/ group interrupt for the bottles
toxic pewter
remember when patterns was bi-weekly <:seramore:917663298869145640>
i member
drifting fable
kinda dumb for them to include a bunch of catch up mechanics and then nerf that one
onyx matrix
cant use it yet cuz im not revered with ZM
yea screw that awful rep grind
rep was better before in older exps
toxic pewter
yeah i wish they did
toxic pewter
halfway to exalted
dawn canyon
Dailies, WQs
toxic pewter
i want that rune thing
hazy edge
I've gotten 3 paragon chests
dawn canyon
dawn canyon
Im 17k into rev iirc
I only do the chests and worldboss
ocean yoke
fetid maggot>jailer as end boss
median tulip
Oh god, Underrot
strong forum
bro thats nsfw
toxic pewter
our interrupt should be 15 yards
sick sentinel
doing beserker rage should affect enemy enrages
lofty widget
y
sick sentinel
way it works in the wild to some extent
inner forge
ZM dailies don't give rep? Never realised. Might just do WQs from now on then
sick sentinel
what are the premium spells to bring to trap a +17 first boss ooze
one that works the very best
lofty widget
banish from warlocks
scenic mural
monk
lofty widget
doesnt break from damage
sick sentinel
do i get a DR from banish if i do my ghost busters engineer trap
like, if i do mine, it expires, he does his, his is now 50% less?
strong forum
nah
sick sentinel
DO NOT EVER use that thing on mobs that don't despawn, like with boss death or summin
can soft lock 60 seconds if you don't have a lock to take the effect off, block the door from opening
cinder storm
You can even move pf first boss on top of the banished add
waxen orbit
But why would you
onyx matrix
m+m+m+m+m+m+m+m+m+m+m+m+m+m+m+m+m+m+m+m+m+m+m+m+m+m+mh+m+m+m+mm++m+m+m+m+m+m+m+m+m+m+m+m+mm+m+m+m+m+mm+m+m+m+mm+m+m++m+m+mm+m+m+m+mm+m+m+m+m++m+m+mm+m+m+m+m+mm+m+m+m
ocean yoke
hell yeah that guy is back from his haircut
trim bay
hey guys, what are we suppose to do when we have outburst procd, but SS is on CD and not enough rage to use revenge. do we just wait for SS to be off CD or for it to be reset? like dont press thunderclap?