protection

[vernal vale]

Yeah, but it's dumb shit like charging onto a stun and forgetting to kite.

Which just made me waste more rage than I have been. All in all a frustrating day of dungeons.

Lots of free casting in sanguine

[strong forum]

Has to

It's unacceptable that SR gets eaten up "randomly" and you're left without the magic DR

In certain pulls you'd rather have the DR last for 5sec than have it reflect 1 spell

Or just reflect for the full 5sec, it wouldn't hurt anybody to have it back

[vernal vale]

Oh that would be so nice

[pallid quiver]

I feel that more on Prot, but I notice it more on DPS/Fury, because the sound effect makes me instantly realize something is now wrong

[stuck kite]

you are full right

[stuck kite]

yup

[pallid quiver]

Also, it reflecting for the whole time was hilarious on Shade of Medivh

since one of my friends is an arcane mage and you could reflect the entirety of the arcane missiles that gave a 50% arcane damage taken debuff back on him

at least when i played legion, which was when return to kara first came out

[strong forum]

Ya

But that's been nerfed

[pallid quiver]

game sucks

[jagged pier]

we will reflect 1 missle

not the whole cast

[strong forum]

and you can't reflect it all in s4 in SL ye

Only 1

[jagged pier]

gunna fun

👍

[pallid quiver]

Fun isn't allowed for tanks. Otherwise we'd still have vengenace

[jagged pier]

i member back in legion i was doing a high tryan upper and my group were like u aint gunna live med

pop SR boss dead

i take like no damage

[pallid quiver]

gottem

[jagged pier]

'cool you were saying?'

i miss legion warrior

and wod warrior

and mists warrior

bring back cool stuff

but if we had that SR we would be mega busted in m+ tbh

[pallid quiver]

but hear me out;
if they bring back those old dungeons, we should get the old stuff to deal with it. Eh? Eh?

[jagged pier]

not really it depends on teh dungeons

youll find the old dungeons generally have far less mechanics

and generally will be pretty easy imo

sure they were build around classes having different stuff

[pallid quiver]

Listen this is all part of the plan to get them to put Vengeance back in when they bring back a MoP dungeon

[jagged pier]

but go look at legion m+

its a joke

[jagged pier]

they arent ever gunna allow vengance back into the game

[pallid quiver]

As they shouldn't

[jagged pier]

thats the wrong opinion

[pallid quiver]

But I want them to make that mistake

[jagged pier]

it doesnt make sense i have the most aggro on somthing when i'm the least threatening because i do the least amount of damage

[onyx matrix]

lol

[pallid quiver]

I always mentally understand it as controlling the enemy, like threatening them with the weapon if they were to turn or something. It does not work out as soon as kiting really comes into play, but it's something

[strong forum]

Rip no opc

[onyx matrix]

yea lol

looks like I get 40% versa when I use it

insane lol

[frail oar]

I did it!! I killed Kruul!! Traham is a free gnome
Thanks for all your advices

(well technically Kor'vayn killed Krull since I messed up my defensive and died with 1k8 hp left on kruul)

[ionic fern]

[frail oar]

But I'm still happy

[sick sentinel]

not a fan of that dps check boss in streets, 3 bossses

don't like phase 1 or 2

[onyx matrix]

Well you guys werent lying, prot in m+ is fun af

[timber slate]

Is it possible to learn this power?

[chrome falcon]

swapping to double SR legendary just for medivh was so sick

[jagged pier]

swapping gear in m+

i miss that

[chrome falcon]

it wouldn't really matter much these days

but swapping to seismic for easy packs would be sick

[urban portal]

Too much minmaxing tbh

[strong forum]

I'd love it

[jagged pier]

not really min maxy

u dont have to do it

[strong forum]

Swapping between seismic/reprisal and defensive trinkets/offensive trinkets for bosses/packs

It would be so much better

[jagged pier]

it was used in legion because they got to points where like a boss mechanic would kill you without prydaz

90% of the time they kept the same stuff

[strong forum]

Still let's you go ham for packs

And defensives for bosses

Or ham for bosses that arent hard on tank

[sick sentinel]

nothing like a 54 minute streets 17 at ~9am to start your day

[strong forum]

[jagged pier]

[strong forum]

Why would you do keys this early

Don't you people work

[jagged pier]

yes

[sick sentinel]

i work at getting my IO up

[strong forum]

Smh

[timber slate]

54 minutes lmao

[sick sentinel]

the warlock was very madge

[timber slate]

what was their dps?

[sick sentinel]

"you shouldn't do 17's if you don't know what to do" leaves seconds its over, hard to blame him

[strong forum]

I've almost depleted a mists+10 yesterday cuz I had people who really shouldn't be doing 10s

I did as much dmg as the rest of the group combined

Actually wild

[jagged pier]

i regularly boost ppl in 15-18 range that shouldnt be there

[strong forum]

Boosting a few people a run is fine

But a whole group hits different

[jagged pier]

well its like 1 every group

usually the key holder

[strong forum]

I should've gone necro cuz we 3 phased fucking first boss almost

[jagged pier]

[timber slate]

did a 10 on my 237 dk, but the tank was 266 and never used WoG and had an overall dps of 4k lol

[jagged pier]

[urban portal]

Those are the time when you really think where all his holy power went

[strong forum]

I had 17k dps after first boss was dead, 1st dps has 7k

[jagged pier]

pog

[strong forum]

Actually wild

[jagged pier]

EM execute pumper

[timber slate]

Nomeratur is out of this world

[strong forum]

Seismic pump

[timber slate]

how do you survive without reprisal

[jagged pier]

press buttons

[strong forum]

[jagged pier]

and it was a +10

[timber slate]

[strong forum]

I did seismic in +16 aswell

Was omega fine

I out healed the healer

[jagged pier]

seismic play style is legit kill it before it kills me

legit fine upto 18s

[strong forum]

Ye

Still had 80% banner uptime

I also beat @oblique garnets log

[oblique garnet]

[jagged pier]

87% with seismic is my best

[oblique garnet]

The one meme log with erga and uhm

@sick sentinel ?

[strong forum]

It's the only log I could find of you

I know it's not your best overall

But ye, was my first seismic necro key

Like key where I also tanked

[sick sentinel]

even if i dont time them i can do 2 more keys today and get 3/3 278

[oblique garnet]

Seismic to pull off perfectly imo needs more effort than reprisal, thoughts? @strong forum @jagged pier

[jagged pier]

yer

and more trust

in your group

like for instance, when i run seismic i just pull maybe only slightly bigger but most of the time i dont so i only get like 1k extra max

could get far more but i dont trust pugs

[strong forum]

Uuuh I guess, to keep up Banner more with seismic you gotta literally press TC and SS on CD and still dump with IP alot

Just spamming revenge isn't feasible

That's what I learned in that key

Keeping up Banner is more important than spamming revenge

[oblique garnet]

Yup

[strong forum]

And avoid using outburst on TC even more

Cuz with rep it's actually not that bad on 5+ targets to use outburst on TC if you're playing SoF

But it shouldn't be a thing you prioritise

[chrome falcon]

playing with a legendary that increases dps vs playing with a legendary that gives you rage and blocktime is always gonna be harder yeah

i don't think that's even a question

[strong forum]

Well it's about efficiency

Cuz when you play seismic you think "okay gotta spam revenge alot cuz that just makes sense"

But you should just play normally and focus on rage gen instead of revenge

[jagged pier]

the only thing i think of when playing siesmic is 'i dont need to charge or intervene on cd' :KEKW:

[chrome falcon]

i still do it out of habit

[strong forum]

That's the part that makes me feel bad about seismic

"oh can't gen rage on demand :("

[jagged pier]

i mean u can still charge but for half the rage

so i just kinda dont

[strong forum]

I do

[jagged pier]

i know i should

[strong forum]

Especially on bosses

I'm desperate for rage

[jagged pier]

but i find when i activly do it

i end up not having it for next pack

[strong forum]

I hate to say it but I'm a double time cuck

[jagged pier]

well so am i

[strong forum]

So used to it now...

[jagged pier]

but i just spunk them when i play siesmic and remeber to charge

like literally

never do it with rep

i guess because i always hold one for SB uptime

🤔

[strong forum]

I don't

I only use rep for rage

And I try to keep it on CD

Often im left without charges

But Ive built up enough duration to keep me up

[sick sentinel]

i am determined to have 3 278 in vault tomorrow

for it to be all crit mastery

[strong forum]

You can make it

[sick sentinel]

how to skip picrel, this group often gets pulled puts our group over %, then we have to wall jump around the solo guy at last boss room

[cinder storm]

Which group?

[lofty widget]

just play the patrol and walk around the solo guy at the end, you dont have to do any fancy wall jumps to skip him

[cinder storm]

Ah the pat, yeah don't worry about them, just leap into that two scale binder pack with SW up, the will cast sticks at the same time if you leap in the middle, count to 3-5, watch one and stun or fear it

Pat does nothing without a fish stick up

[sick sentinel]

sanguini

[lofty widget]

they dont drop sanguine

[sick sentinel]

okay, thats surprising that trash pat doesn't

[lofty widget]

iirc theyre non-elites, the general rule is that non-elites dont drop sanguine

there are exceptions ofc

[bold linden]

Which solo Guy?

[lofty widget]

the first mob after second boss

[sick sentinel]

if i do that, i'm going to jump right if that works, since its closer to a relics, unless your meant to go left and leave the right pack with relics to double pull last 2

[bold linden]

OK thanks!

[eager star]

What is the damage of Shield Slam based off of? Just AP or does the shield "block" value itself factor into it? thanks.

[lofty widget]

only AP

[eager star]

Thanks.

[cinder storm]

this is what a normal route looks like. Last pack you can tank in that red circle which is over the water but the sharks wont get you if you are close to the rocks and when they start dying you can move slowly back to the entrance area, just be mindful of the giant

[sick sentinel]

i tend to think in a hold W fashion 1-2 packs at a time, kill it, move on

[cinder storm]

At your key level, hold W still works, but with some pugs any key is a hard key

[teal swift]

Ara Ara cuties

[topaz field]

@sick sentinel thats totally fine but you the route that mister bubbles posted is extremly pug friendly if you want to go 1-2 packs at the time

u can kill the relic pack last which unfortunately has 2 fishsticks in it

for the pug friendliest experience of your life u taunt just the fishies and the relics will stay

then u can kill wo afterwards and enjoy the free skip

[zenith vale]

yo guys

arms playing some prot

we have the big slam every how many secs ?

approx

[hollow kayak]

It's less optimal, because you have to go back at the end, but I like wo skipping from the first pull immediately to the first boss. Then you do the rest of the dungeon, and come back at the end and just kill murlocs until you hit percent. It's just simple and it works. We timed a 20 with that route.

[hollow kayak]

Took random log from Sense, he cast Shield Slam 13.8 times per minute
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JMr1mqthK8vFbRnk#fight=7&type=casts&source=2

[zenith vale]

thank perfect !

oh i meant the giga 2 part slam sorry

[hollow kayak]

I did it 10.5 times per minute, in one of my own random logs. But I'm just a newb prot warrior.

[hollow kayak]

The Outburst tier bonus with shield slam?

[zenith vale]

yup !

[lofty widget]

5-10 seconds

[zenith vale]

wut, this is massive

very noob question but how do u do

(im arms pvp only)

[hollow kayak]

In that sense log, he did it 161 times. 33:41min. So... I think that's on average once every 12.5 s

[zenith vale]

it's

insane

[hollow kayak]

Spend Rage. Get stacks.

[zenith vale]

now i have to figure how to do it

what is your best rage spenders prot guys ?

again i'm arms pvp since centuries

pure prot noob

[topaz field]

u should look up a basic prot war guide

[cinder storm]

I've seen 26s timed with that route this week

[zenith vale]

you are right

thx

[topaz field]

because most of your defensive abilities and also your offensive abilities will use rage

so there is no best spender 😄

[sick sentinel]

shaman complained alot

but 1 more

[topaz field]

niceee

[topaz field]

oh yea the shaman that does tank dmg complained

but he for sure got the soleahs trinket

[sick sentinel]

He complained on the start trash to captain time hook that "his leggo doesn't detect big pulls" or something and i thought he was being ?toxic? dunno 0.00001 second later shaman splat

so i burshed it off

and at end he says his leggo really is bugged?

[topaz field]

at least he buffed u

1 more to go

[hollow kayak]

I have seen the unity lego bug out a few times. Apparently happens when certain classes change covenants.
It just doesn't do anything after this happens. You have to take it off and put it back on your character to fix it.

[dawn canyon]

It's when you have a unity in idk wrists and swap gear

So it's a Belt unity

It then messes with the Bonus ID for your covenant thing

[sick sentinel]

he zoned out and back in and then i had pulled trash figured he cant zone in due to combat, he did anyways called him haxxor

+17 NW, oh god. i hate that place

[chrome falcon]

NW is the easiest dungeon in the expansion

[sick sentinel]

mists, and PF are free

[chrome falcon]

NW literally kills itself for you

[topaz field]

well but i agree

a 15 nw is so much harder than a 25

[dawn canyon]

Easy timed for the boys

Remember to grab a kyr

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZEPgLkzhwE me in gambit, also turning off the bald one probably helped concentration

[gray iris]

do you guys ever feel like your skill has gone down when you play some other class for a while? I played warlock for a few days and now i freaking died on top 15 on the first pull lol.. It wasnt coming naturally

[sick sentinel]

there is more to wow than pwar you mean? im confused

[waxen orbit]

I mean that’s not your skill going down; that’s just being out of practice

[echo egret]

To all the great prot warriors out here : how do you not waste rage ? know all the possible values (with LS up, outburst, procs...) and don't press a generator if it's going to cap ?

[strong forum]

spam IP

[echo egret]

if I do that mindlessly I end up ragestarving for shield block 😦

[strong forum]

well..

you got yourself your answer right tehre

"mindlessly"

[echo egret]

hence my question : is the opposite of mindlessly "know all the possible values" and decide ?

or do you end up having some "feeling" about it

[strong forum]

use IP if above 60

if youre during LS youll jsut get loaded

its alot of quick maffs and just experience aswell as feelycraft idk

generally you just dont wanna dip below 30 unless you know you can get enough rage until your next SB

or just charge/intervene ykno

[echo egret]

yeah

[solemn current]

Real talk my luck with tank trinkets has been abysmal. For the sake of tanking 15-20s would it be worth dropping ilvl to take one of my tank trinkets from last tier or stick to what I'm using for stats? Sitting on a 272 OPC, 262 Sack of Terror, 278 IQD from this tier but a 239 aegis, 252 phial, 239 weave, and a 236 scale from last tier. Been using OPC and Sack of Terror as it feels like it would have been the better route for damage but should I be considering equipping one of the lower ilvl trinkets at this point?

[strong forum]

opc + phial

[solemn current]

Mastery on Sack that bad huh? lol

[chilly brook]

sack is fine

it's just pure single target

[urban portal]

aegis is good

[solemn current]

True. Working on grabbing a scale, phial, and codex to swap around but dozens of runs in the last couple weeks and still coming up short :(.

[solemn current]

I know it was sick at 239 last tier but I imagine it's kind of fallen behind for it's ilvl since I don't have a Mythic one yea?

[jagged pier]

nah 239 is still insane

like same lvl as scale 278

and better in necrotic week

[solemn current]

Hmm, maybe I'll play around with Aegis/Phial and OPC/Phial then while I await new trinkets then. Thanks!

[blazing condor]

aegis gang

then again mine is 252

but id never switch it out

[hazy edge]

I convinced my guild to do M Nine after we finish prog so I can get a 252

[urban portal]

Imagine not pugging first 3 mythic every week

[cinder storm]

I'm actually using the ip/revenge macro for situations where a) a SS proc + other rage sources capped me to 100 rage from 0 and I have another SS proc after the first. b) if I need a few gcds to analyze what I am going to do next, but it is a very much panic button. I'm wasting less rage in turn. Aiming to play optimally due to banner is pog. If anything I think many of us will end up being better pwars comes dragonflight

[onyx matrix]

Its funny how dps players can be so toxic when you pull by a mistake 😂😂😂😂

[jagged pier]

its funny how its not their fault if they do it tho

[cinder storm]

its still your fault if they do it, they start yelling/spamming "aggro, aggro!! tank aggro!"

[toxic pewter]

apparently next affixes are TYRANNICAL, BOLSTERING, EXPLOSIVE, ENCRYPTED

ugly week if i say so i hate explosive

[cinder storm]

next week is an alt week

[sick sentinel]

whats wrong with next week

[cinder storm]

tyrannical slows dungeon, bolstering slows packs, explosives slow dps as ppl and healer are focused on them

[toxic pewter]

tyrannical sucks

bolstering and explosive both can get out of hand if not handled properly

[toxic pewter]

ya well said

[craggy pilot]

what are the best setups for Anduin HC number wise?

[onyx matrix]

But continues complaining when the run is done and we did it in time?

[craggy pilot]

2-3-9 is good or?

[toxic pewter]

ya

[jagged pier]

ya

[onyx matrix]

Wow

[jagged pier]

always the tanks fault

[onyx matrix]

Its my fault aswell when they dont check their back 🤷

[jagged pier]

yep

bad route

[onyx matrix]

[jagged pier]

well 99% of the time it wont be that but they have to make an excuse

[craggy pilot]

anyone have a good macro for Healthstone and Phial in the same? 🤔

so it only uses one, and then swaps somehow

[lucid pasture]

shakira shakira wooahh woaoohh

[oblique garnet]

Sorry i always mix you and littleting together

[dawn canyon]

[sick sentinel]

when are you supposed to orb on nar'zudah? when he does his grim fate or interupt first cast of back sorcerer, collapse group orb and dumpster sorcs?

[strong forum]

on pull

[median tulip]

I always skip that pack TBH

[sick sentinel]

and then just dumpster the 2 sorcs and then melee dude?

[onyx matrix]

@strong forum what trinkets would you suggest getting asap from m+ as a prot warrior?

[dawn canyon]

Narz is the annoying-est mob there

Sadly has the highest hp

[sick sentinel]

in my key he will have 1.26 m

[median tulip]

I genuinely don't believe it's worth killing him

in terms of time and %

[median tulip]

any 2 of so'leah, scale, phial, ticking sack and AFE

[sick sentinel]

so, what, just invis left of him?

[strong forum]

you can heroic leap past him even

[median tulip]

That's what I do, yeah

[strong forum]

dont even need invis

[sick sentinel]

lock gates is another thing i seen

[median tulip]

I've seen all the other methods fuck up, so I always use invis

[sick sentinel]

it's on my belt so fuck it i'll probably pop it anyways

[hallow herald]

Can we leap past 1st theater pack too?

[strong forum]

no

for that you need invis

[dawn canyon]

Use your invis on narz

Have group use it

They always pull it somehow

So rather safe than sorry

[median tulip]

for the price of an invis pot it's just safer to use 'em that risk it

[strong forum]

well they can unvis

[sick sentinel]

i'll just get a rogue, or tell people invis

[strong forum]

but you as warri dont need it

[dawn canyon]

Rogue shroud still owns

[sick sentinel]

i unlocked giga arrow by accident

[sharp night]

he's absolutely worth killing in terms of efficiency

[sick sentinel]

wtf do the corpses do if anything lil skelly men

[sacred timber]

90% of my keys someone fucking pulls on invis

[oblique garnet]

?

[sacred timber]

it hurts my soul

[dawn canyon]

gg and littleting is the exact opposite of a person

The only thing they have in common are the rhinestone sunglasses

[mighty valley]

I did an offspec key recently and put on the jailer trinket for fun

Forgot about it during the big Wo run near the end of Mists, absolutely exploded right in the middle of a pack

Whoops

[dawn canyon]

[onyx matrix]

thx

[oblique garnet]

Why

Elaborate

[dawn canyon]

Little is a troll and he's a panda

[oblique garnet]

So you have no real reason to feel that strongly as hate?

[dawn canyon]

They are rivals since birth

[oblique garnet]

[sick sentinel]

ret pally lives to interupt spells apparently

[dawn canyon]

Gz

Your kyrian weps are low but that didnt matter ig

[sick sentinel]

DOS 18 now....

[timber slate]

yogi slowly becoming a pro

[strong forum]

hes ramping

[sick sentinel]

they disconnected me, they're trying to shut me down

[sage yacht]

@oblique garnet ily my brother i am 10x the man gg is

[oblique garnet]

[strong forum]

It's over

🔫

Ngmi

[sick sentinel]

how do we pull DOS now?, i'd just resort to the ring and boss method

[dawn canyon]

First Ring into Wo to hakkar

Kill Pack infront of door

Kill boss

[strong forum]

First pack without relics, then once everything is low pull relics, kill wo -> hakkar or ardenweald

Then go from there

[dawn canyon]

You wanna WO through most of mech

And Grab the woof on the way back

[sick sentinel]

is this normal man keys we are talking about, we kill that trash on the ring some time with cds after wo i guess

[dawn canyon]

So you use that wo for the last run

[dawn canyon]

Dos is a big fat Wo abuse dungeon

[sick sentinel]

well, what im getting scared of only thing there is uh, final boss

so, if someone doesn't hit it, ..... trash...

[dawn canyon]

Oh you kill everything before muezala

Dw

[lucid pasture]

hi

[sick sentinel]

so nothing has stealth detect?

[strong forum]

Wo ignores stealth detect

Iirc

[hazy edge]

Wo doesn't ignore true sight

[strong forum]

Ah, then I guess wo routes just don't have true sight mobs in em

I wouldn't know, I've never played dungeons with rogues

[lucid pasture]

do you even know what a rogue is?

[blazing condor]

not like there are any real times you Wo skip through true-sight anyway

Mists is like the one dungeon that happens

unless you wo skip in streets over miniboss for some reason or try and wo skip pat dogs in HoA

[eager stump]

Hey guys, so uhm. I'm hunting for an alt, since im a wl main im going for a tank. Is Prot warr as susceptible to itemization as brm is? I mean, I tried tanking jailer hc as a 261ilvl BRM and......well, let's just say the damage intake was kinda outside of my hp bar. Meanwhile my bdk with similar versatility lvls.........no probs. So was my gdruid.

But I grew bored pretty fast of these tanks......i always had a thing for prot warr 🙂

[strong forum]

They're that thing that always runs away in arena

No honor, only running

[lucid pasture]

wtf?

[blazing condor]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-gif-18261454

[lucid pasture]

talking shit about usain bolT?

cmon now weirdo

[strong forum]

🥊

[dawn canyon]

Outlaw doesnt run

But sub rogues

😡

[lucid pasture]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/546125139935363287/877387776843194379/image0-1.gif

[strong forum]

Tanking jailer with 260ilvl shouldn't be a problem on any tank

Once brm has 4pc is dumbfuck easy and practically impossible to die

[eager stump]

That is the thing, I had 4pc

[strong forum]

Pwar takes actual effort to play to a good level

[eager stump]

but I only have 11% vers. Meanwhile my bdk had 7% and took less dmg

well, thats not an issue

[strong forum]

Vers doesn't mean shit

[eager stump]

I dont back off when it comes to learning

[strong forum]

Bdk and brm are the 2 most busted tanks for jailer tho

[eager stump]

My Brm just got crushed

[strong forum]

So if you have a hard time on brm then you'll defo fail on prot

Prot takes 6x the effort

[eager stump]

My problem is not the effort

my problem was that my brm obviously has a problem and my bdk didnt

[strong forum]

🤷‍♂️ idk what to tell you

Bdk can outheal jailer tank buster

Monk needs a bit more

[eager stump]

the thing is it wasnt the tankbuster that busted me

[strong forum]

Eh?

[eager stump]

it was the dot

[strong forum]

Ya that is the tank buster

[eager stump]

the dot combined with his aa

[strong forum]

You shouldn't tank him with the dot up

[eager stump]

you dont understand

It wasnt me on the receiving end of the tank buster debuff

not the dmg increase

only the dot

[strong forum]

Yes

[eager stump]

the tank buster is the 200% dmg increase

which i didnt have

The dot is what everyone gets when they stack 🙂

anyway, untill i discover what went wrong im going for prot warr. I am just curious if it is as "naked" to jailer dmg as brm

[strong forum]

I was under the impression that the pylon destroying shattering blast was the tank buster but aight

Cuz I don't see anything that does dmg besides shattering blast and melee attack

Everything else should be literally 0 dmg

But im just talking out of my ass here, I've not done the fight and probably never will

Pwar is one of the better tanks I'd say against jailer given our strength against his melee attacks, the only issue could be dealing with the shattering blast dot

[strange cloud]

what covenant would you play for mythic halondrous ??

kyrian ??

[eager stump]

Thx @strong forum No, I never survived to p2 jailer

As a brm

it is why I switched bdk and it was easy.....

[strong forum]

Necro everywhere

Playing anything but necro in raid is just inting

Or m+ really

[eager stump]

when I had ams up the shattering blast i took no dmg but I dont have a problem managing my cds and reduce the dmg it was just frustrating and bdk, let's just say they are everywhere and I am a hippie

[strong forum]

I fully understand not enjoying being just 1 of many

I did not like when pwar was meta in bfa

[eager stump]

I like all tanks to some degree I dont like feeling squishy either

[ocean yoke]

i dont believe you even need to soak the dot part of the combo, its tankbuster on just target>the second hit putting dot>the split attack

[eager stump]

which is what i felt as a brm

[echo egret]

Can you remind what's so-so about scale trinket ? I just looted a 262 upgradable phial

[eager stump]

its how the raid leader managed us

[strong forum]

If you're dying on monk then there's gotta be some serious missplay happening

[eager stump]

everyone stack

[strong forum]

Or just literally nobody healing

[eager stump]

we were 10 2/2/6

[sick sentinel]

whats the rules once i get wo buff how does that work

[strong forum]

If you hVe the bubble around you, you're in stealth

If you dont, you're not instealth

[sick sentinel]

can i mount? what can cause it to end early if anything, beside death and it literal falls off

[echo egret]

just like an invis pot, but longer, faster

[strong forum]

Not useful outside of high keys

Imo

[eager stump]

anything you cast it pulls you out of Wo @sick sentinel

[ocean yoke]

you have 150% speed during wo, faster than mount

[strong forum]

You're faster with Wo than mount

[echo egret]

why ? the shield is too low ? or not necessary because damage is too low ? (I'm in the 20 range atm)

[strong forum]

Dmg too low and shield too low

It's only a 50k absorb on ST

[eager stump]

if you cast something for 0.1 you get out of wo and pull, I've had alot of people not realizing that and pulled in SoA, mostly

[strong forum]

And 100k on 5targets

That's not alot

@278 ilvl

[sick sentinel]

probably gunna modify the route to be smaller chunk pulls, in bird wing, but everything else looks fine to me

[echo egret]

I've had a lot of people accidentally pulling in SoA, but still can't male out why

[toxic pewter]

is crafted neck the best neck we can get or wat

i guess 278 neck beats it

[strong forum]

If you got logs I'd love to check it out

[urban portal]

crafted neck is very good yeah

[toxic pewter]

272 with socket may beat it?

[echo egret]

ok so 272 Phial + 272 AFE it is then

[strong forum]

Yes apb

[toxic pewter]

272 without socket doesnt beat it i guess

just cuz its stamina

mostly

[strong forum]

You can run scale if it helps you, its not bad to run

[eager stump]

@echo egret I pulled once the pack at the top of the stairs, I dont know what pulled me out of wo because I didnt cast anything. I dont think I figured it out to this day.

[strong forum]

I'll start running 272 scale soon aswell probably

[toxic pewter]

i personally love scale to this day, get half my health shield is so clutch sometimes

[strong forum]

Cuz I don't have any better trinket

[echo egret]

Well I do not know if it helps - I press it on cooldown but I can't evaluate how great/avg/low benefits are

[toxic pewter]

what should i upgrade with valor: codex or sack

[strong forum]

Never codex

[toxic pewter]

lol i want to use codex so bad

[strong forum]

Upgrading codex does nothing except increase stam

[toxic pewter]

i just like the idea of codex

im sad we cannot really use it

[strong forum]

The reflect is 10x of its tooltip

[echo egret]

The only thing I can think of, is that aura the rightmost mob has, iirc it damages us

[strong forum]

The tooltip is bugged

[toxic pewter]

i see

[strong forum]

It's not 2k,itx 20k

So you need to take 200k dmg in 1 hit to max it out

[toxic pewter]

interesting

[strong forum]

Which just doesn't exist outside of mythic jailer

[sick sentinel]

i took the spell reflect and made it triple the size whenever i shows up now

i think its worked, maybe

[eager stump]

@echo egret I will have to test that as a rogue just to not screw up the run 😄

[echo egret]

Make sure to let me know the result 🙂

[eager stump]

assuming I will get in a group as a rogue, yeah 😄 damn Wo taking rogue's job

wo should get back from where it came

[toxic pewter]

anyone play bonesmith

sort of intrigued by bonesmith

[urban portal]

Bone smith sims higher

So yeah everyone plays it

Also doesn’t require channeling

[toxic pewter]

what u mean

[potent anvil]

If you were to play Plague Deviser, you would want to channel fleshcraft for buffs and/or CC immunity. Otherwise, you just channel it for the shield/dr.

[sick sentinel]

i wish this were a 15/16 and not a god damn 18 dos

fml

[strong forum]

You can lower it

In Oribos

There's a keystone guy next to the great vault

[sick sentinel]

this is cowards way to never try

[strong forum]

Who can lower your key

[distant crystal]

you can also raise it in ardenweald

[strong forum]

Marileth gets better conduit spread

[urban portal]

You need to channel plague deviser for the mastery which could mess with chain pulls

[strong forum]

So that usually sees more play

[urban portal]

Bone smith just gogogo

[toxic pewter]

ah right

sort of like bonesmith tbh

[urban portal]

Both are ok

[strong forum]

Heirmir only Sims slightly better because of 3% crit, 3% mainstat and 3% more execute dmg

Marge is alot better defensively

And heirmir only gets 2 potency iirc

Marge gets 3

[sick sentinel]

"don't get hit" yeah, but the slime maze?

[strong forum]

Deactivate it

[sick sentinel]

can u do it in wo?

[strong forum]

Yes

[blazing condor]

That skip never goes right lmao

But its a good skip

Id imagine itd be more nice to wo skip from outside mechagon on the bone dudes

Then go and take dog pack and wo out on your way back

[toxic pewter]

is emeni any good

[sick sentinel]

no, marileth is a 40s 6% dps increase, however, ambulatory flesh, and sole slaugh are incredibly nice to haves, you may even jump while FC now,

[toxic pewter]

attention all: I am a bonesmith man now. I suggest you all join me

[sick sentinel]

try using sole slaugh (on chill content) emeni thing, bottom left, green skull, if u sit still for 5 seconds ur whole party gets a 20% MS for 10s, seems powerful.

[toxic pewter]

wat that

[chrome falcon]

sole slough is useless because of ba nner

[urban portal]

You mean elegy?

[solemn elk]

No you don’t, you just cast it and that’s it

You don’t need to stand there and fc

[urban portal]

It’s a global

And it’s a dps down

To do it in combat

[solemn elk]

For 120 mastery, yea

[urban portal]

Getting that mastery is a dps down

Doing it out of combat isn’t ofc

There’s obviously benefits to both

[solemn elk]

Point being, you don’t need to channel

[urban portal]

I hate having to remember to tap it too

So there’s also that

[solemn elk]

There’s a point to be done regarding that and emeni, but Marileth doesn’t have that issue

[eternal moth]

I wish Venthyr were meta-friendly, I really want to turn into a statue and explode when I die

I guess I still can't keep 100% uptime on that damn banner anyway, maybe I should just give Venth a try.. haha

[urban portal]

No one gets 100% uptime

The regular uptime is still better

[sacred timber]

finally

after 9 SD keys

I finally timed one

with this as the last boss ;-;

[sick sentinel]

they keys i'm doing FC feels really really nice and cozy

[cinder nova]

Chudbolt living up to his name

[sick sentinel]

some dude on area 52 wants to buy a tank for his 15 hoa lol

[cinder storm]

tell him you are too expensive

[timber slate]

What about Ziedrate

[sick sentinel]

i do need 15 hoa fort tho

[timber slate]

HoA on fort is garbage

[sacred timber]

pugs are literally the stupidest people in the world

fucking asshole pulling everything for me

as mage

on gorechop wing he started the first pack before 3 people were there

[timber slate]

Let them die

[sacred timber]

I fucking left

we did 4 packs

they pulled 3 of them before I was there

"wHy DiD I dIe?!"

[fallow narwhal]

ive had so many frost mages specifically run ahead and pull extra stuff

[timber nest]

did bliz nerf Phial? or was it always this bad

[urban portal]

Nerfed

Still good on prot war

[timber nest]

i see

i used as fury and it was mega poop

[sick sentinel]

nah, that dos 18 went as about expected, first boss, urh slamed something else dead, leaver, i couldn't have hoped for less

[bright dock]

final boss DoS hahaha

[sick sentinel]

the good news is i did 8 15+s this week and like 13 overall, lowest i think was a 12, timed a few of the 15+'s

[sacred timber]

I'm almost there XD

[sick sentinel]

bro imagine socket leech theatre shield for me tomorrow

1 more, u got it

[ocean yoke]

ive seen same, they will sperg out about their icy veins if you question them

[sick sentinel]

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/uv2121/any_fire_mage_enjoyers/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 in the 17 NW i just did the "fire mage enjoyer meme", every time itervene is ready, i use it on the mage, EZ

the one in my group was an arcane mage, spamming AE i think,

[ocean yoke]

i swear to god ive seen free revenge procs proc the tier set for stacks, has anyone else noticed that? maybe im on meth or something but it definitely looked like it in a raid just now

[sick sentinel]

I'm just gonna say someone could do giga revenge dmg with sr in a key tonight, cuz you can pull big.

[wraith hemlock]

so... I pulled trash in ardenweald

and 2 dps and the healer went ahead

even thou they arrived AFTER I arrived and I was fighting shit

then left key cuz "I was afk"

[toxic pewter]

so they ran past you ?

[wraith hemlock]

yeah...

like fucking monkeys

[toxic pewter]

strange

[cinder nova]

It's rude to mock the mentally disabled

[timber slate]

https://tenor.com/view/sassy-gif-25178355

[chilly brook]

Looks about right but we also get to cheat

We don’t have to hold CDs

And the execute phase is rather long usually

[grizzled lotus]

hey if I'm doing shitter 15s for weekly completion and the people in my group are bad, should I play Kyr or NF

or is Necro still personally better or something

[chilly brook]

Why wouldn’t you just play necro

[grizzled lotus]

idk, wasn't sure if much of the value in necro was in buffing the allies

[chilly brook]

It’s more damage anyways assuming you’re playing right

[grizzled lotus]

I am enjoying the 30k executes though

[chilly brook]

No

[grizzled lotus]

kk I'll stay Necro then, thanks

[chilly brook]

Necros value is in the ridiculous rage gen, sturdiness and personal damage

[grizzled lotus]

if anything Kyrian/NF might be more annoying to play in lows keys due to sanguine

Bron is a troll this week

[chilly brook]

In a 15 as necro just go balls to the wall

Big ass pulls

[grizzled lotus]

rgr

[chilly brook]

Or run seismic if you wanna do stupid amounts of damage

[sick sentinel]

I cannot imagine anything worse than spear of bastion being one of your main attacks this week

a reverse gorefiend grasp on week were u have to pull them out or they all heal

[chilly brook]

Ask the Chinese mdi teams who brought prot how good it was on sanguine

[sick sentinel]

didn't catch every mdu

watched lots of the recent ones bits nd pieces

[vapid lynx]

is it ok to run reprisal on jailer? or would teh wall be better?

[sick sentinel]

I'm curious what the next fortified week will look like

shoulda ran more keys this week and better

[vapid lynx]

storming/bursting according to my M+ tab in game is the next fort week

[timber slate]

Easy

Storming isnt an affix

[median tulip]

Storming is annoying in Sanguine Depths, but otherwise it's completely ignorable

[urban bane]

If I'm at a point where I get outburst, SS is available, but my rage would overcap from it and im capped on IP do I just hit IP anyway and then SS?

[toxic pewter]

hell yeah ignore pain all day every day

cuz that counts toward your next outburst

[vernal vale]

actually felt solid on my couple runs for vault filling tonight

got banner to stay up 80% of the two fifteens i ran

which is an improvement

[muted pendant]

good evening - I reengaged with my prot warr again. Is reprisal on feet right? Where does unity go and is haste/vers best to have on both? I will mainly tank M+ this and next season

nvm - just saw it in the pins. Reprisal on feet and Unity on head

[timber slate]

Dont mind about overcaping, just spam IP

[urban bane]

Makes sense -- thanks! @toxic pewter @timber slate

[timber slate]

[median tulip]

I actually find it easier to keep the banner going for longer in higher keys, because stuff doesn't die so fast and you have longer fights with more consistent Rage generation as a result.

[pallid quiver]

In general, even keeping track of IP as a Necro Prot isn't even worthwhile; you're going to be hitting the button so many times just for dumping rage to fuel both Outburst and Banner uptime that you're generally going to constantly overwrite full or nearly full IPs, and it'll just happen to be up almost all the time

[vernal vale]

Same but I've been struggling to get it above 60% even in high keys

[gentle stratus]

Hi, was dps (Arms) and now I am 30 want to try to tank and learn and see if i like it. Was wondering why on this data it shows Prot tanks as the lowest is it cause is not ez or maybe the sustain isnt so much? thanks

[median tulip]

Hella high skill ceiling and no easy mode gameplay

[gentle stratus]

damm the sucks

so not a good choice for a beginner

[gentle stratus]

I am assuming you talking about the first con in this guide

[median tulip]

Protection Warrior can be deeply deeply unforgiving in keys, and not always because of your own gameplay, although your average DPS monkeybrain won't get it. DPS that aren't correctly coordinating kicks can get you chunked because we are the most vulnerable tank to spike magic damage

[toxic pewter]

anyone run phial and sack at same time? Is it too greedy?

[gentle stratus]

wow thats a lot to take. Wonder if Monk tank is in the same boat as it is the second lowest

[median tulip]

I really hope they solve the 4th point on the weaknesses by making Dragon Charge usable in PvE (Dragon themed expansion, surely we can have Dragon Charge?) and carrying over the Shrieking Flagon anima power from Torghast into the new talent trees.

[gentle stratus]

do you know if Monk is more forgiving?

[median tulip]

No idea, I don't play Monk any more and when I did I played Mistweaver

[gentle stratus]

got it thanks

[fallow narwhal]

monk is pretty simple

[modern brook]

like level 30?

[gentle stratus]

yes

[fallow narwhal]

main mitigation is up 100% of the time if your clicking buttons, and rest is pretty simple

[limpid pawn]

i dunno, prot war with anger management and necro just doesn't feel great for me

[gentle stratus]

which one is main?

[fallow narwhal]

stagger

[limpid pawn]

it requires so much higher skill to maintain good uptime of shield block but that is like pretty much base-line for all other tanks with minimal effort lol

[gentle stratus]

thast monk or warrior?

[fallow narwhal]

monk

[gentle stratus]

ahh so you saying monk is a bit easier than prot?

[fallow narwhal]

yes, though i think some of that is how much stronger brews tier is

[gentle stratus]

nice thanks for the info

[fallow narwhal]

think prots fun tho

[urban portal]

because shield block is the only mitigation that does anything

[modern brook]

tanking at sub 60 is a very different experience from end game tanking

[urban portal]

every other tank's mitigation is dogshit, they just have other tools that arent 100% uptime to make it up

@modern brook welcome back

[modern brook]

get this leaf off me

smh

[gentle stratus]

ok was wondering thats all, as i want to try tanking

[modern brook]

yeah go for it

I think you get avatar at like 32 or something

and at that point you have basically all the tools

but id give it another go at 60 amd see of i sto;; emkpy ot

[potent anvil]

One day I'll do big dps

[modern brook]

[gentle stratus]

yeah i have a monk at 18 will try her as well to see which one i like

[modern brook]

just keep in mind that classes tend to be missing key aspects of their kit during the leveling process

[limpid pawn]

monk just feels good to play imo

[modern brook]

🐒

best park of monk is naming your character monkeykong

[limpid pawn]

i think kyrian with heavy repercussions > necro lol

gonna just straight say it

[empty burrow]

Necro feels great when ur dps is good. Huge pulls that get nuked is what I didn’t see playing Necro until it was the norm (good pugs) and then it all clicked. My banner up time was doubled (non-boss) and was ++ on runs I just made it through. Have faith in necrolord-this is the way.

[limpid pawn]

i played it a good deal, banner uptime is ok... but i think that long cd just feels worse

and also going AM to maximize 4 set makes sense, but... just feels so much worse than HR

HR synergizes with reprisal better than AM synergizes with 4 piece lol

[empty burrow]

Reprisal needs movement. I feel better with the mobility (forces me to keep intervene/leap on cooldown) coupled with AM and banner. But again, since I pug a lot, when I get a giga-chad group it’s so much dam fun. Like had a three fury and a pally heals and it was pretty intense, even with sanguine it was quick.

*results may vary

[sweet summit]

@modern brook@modern brook@modern brook@modern brook@modern brook@modern brook

[modern brook]

I wouldn't say reprisal and hr synergies more than rep and am

Ergod

😀😃🙂🙃😊😇

[sweet summit]

[nova gorge]

So I’m still new to Protection warrior, (prot pala/BDK main) and the play style with reprisal feels very clunky and hard to play around. The first charge into combat is easy of course, and I can intervene a close melee or w/e to proc Lego, but outside of that am I supposed to HL out and charge back in?

[sweet summit]

most of the time you don't need to leap out

you can just run

[modern brook]

^

[potent anvil]

Run and charge a ranged or caster mob. Or if you're a chad, just charge into the next pull.

[modern brook]

If you're absolutely sol you can Shockwave->leap

[nova gorge]

How much of a downgrade is the next legendary in comparison to Reprisal?

[modern brook]

Sizable in m+

[sweet summit]

fucking huge in m+ yea
the wall is fine in raid but even then reprisal is still just better

[modern brook]

Like you get more out of that initial charge and just using intervene on cd

Than you would the wall over the course of the key

[nova gorge]

I was thinking of the other Lego (seismic) - I saw one of the guys talking about it earlier

[sweet summit]

seismic fuck good

[nova gorge]

I’m assuming it’s just a massive defensive loss though

[sweet summit]

ye

[potent anvil]

Seismic owns

[pallid yarrow]

So is necro really where it’s at this patch for m+? Every guide I read said kyrian or nf

[sweet summit]

yeah necro is nutty

[nova gorge]

@potent anvil care to elaborate any on how to play with the seismic Lego? Or should I just try and find logs of warriors who run it and see what they are doing?

[modern brook]

[nova gorge]

I just can’t see myself enjoying the reprisal play style.

[modern brook]

If deswind doesn't get back to you

Nothing really changes

You just have way bigger gaps in your shield block windows

And in turn have meatier revenj

Tbh, prot without reprisal in progression keys is lacking

The legendary is sucha big bandaid on so many things the spec struggles with

Rage economy, block uptime, cds etc

Typing is very hard btw

[nova gorge]

I honestly probably won’t push much further than 3.1 or 3.2k io, I guess I just need to keep feeling it out in lower keys until I get used to running away and spamming it

Thanks for the inputs and feedback!

[modern brook]

GL!

[vernal vale]

If you try it and learn it early then it has a fantastic playstyle. It's a super rewarding spec for playing well. It's the only spec I really ever want to play in all honesty.

[vernal vale]

There are a number of weak auras to help with intervene. Just set focus on a melee and hit it on CD. Charging takes a bit more work but the more you play the more you'll notice opportunities to do it

[potent anvil]

Uh yeah, not much changes. You can technically prio revenge over shield slam for more aoe but that's about it.

Your damage breakdown will be similar to like this depending on how far you want to push your damage over being defensive.

Same level key, same pulls but with reprisal

[vernal vale]

If your not already solid defensively seismic will pu ish you

[nova gorge]

Thanks for that @potent anvil, I think it will come down to forcing myself to learn reprisal play first, and getting used to pressing IP and SB and feeling it out. Then when I’m running lower 20s with a trusted healer feeling out the Seismic lego. Going from BDK/Prot Paladin main to trying out warrior is a bit different in reliance on healers.

[vernal vale]

In all honesty warrior technically requires less EHRPS

The difference is we don't heal as much on our own

[potent anvil]

A well played warrior will feel really tanky. My playstyle is full on degenerate dps mode, but if I'm playing proper defensively then the healer won't have much to do unless your overzealous with your pull.

[vernal vale]

Kicks being missed is the only time I ever feel like I'm in danger and I'm not nearly as solid as Deswind

[potent anvil]

Yeah, missed kicks any tank is dead

[nova gorge]

Yeah, I’m already digging into the spell reflect spreadsheet in the pins to figure out how to maximize SR spell.

[potent anvil]

There's a good weakaura that'll often tell you if you're targeted by something that can be reflected

Let me see if I can find it

[nova gorge]

Do you sometimes intentionally let spells go through to reflect them?

[potent anvil]

https://wago.io/IkerOKywU/2

[vernal vale]

The big spell reflects to remember are boss abilities. As those often mean you can ignore something entirely.

[potent anvil]

In pugs, I go based on this timer, basically reflect last second. In groups, I'll tell people to let spells go

[vernal vale]

DoS Soulcrusher is a great example

[nova gorge]

Sound advice. Thanks again and GL in vaults tomorrow.

[potent anvil]

[vernal vale]

Vault of pure dissapointment.

[vapid lynx]

my most satisfying key ive done i tanked a ToP last week all pugs and was the least healed target.... felt great for me 😄

[plucky hearth]

anyone know what cuases this and how i can make this stop spamming my chat?

dont think its bagsack

[scenic mural]

Have we heard anything about tier acquisition next season?

[urban portal]

they said catalyst will still exist

so we probably just slap a high ilvl gear into catalyst and call it a day

[stuck kite]

anyone can tell the impact of seismic reverberation legendary?

[blazing condor]

2-3k dps

on average id guess

[stuck kite]

hmmm ok

[cinder storm]

Just 200-300 more Io to be top 20, I'll hang my towel then

[ionic fern]

[blazing condor]

have fun

[tardy sequoia]

is it worth swapping from Kyrian to Necrolord if playing almost only in pug?

[strong forum]

Ofc

Necro is your buff

Not theirs

[tardy sequoia]

And is it worth switching if got only 2/4 tier set bonuses?

[jagged pier]

yes

[tardy sequoia]

Thanks, played kyrian the whole exp and got tired, wanted to try something new (hopefully more exciting)

[lime urchin]

Necrolord very exciting!

Highly recommend giving it a try!

[sick sentinel]

yogi 3 278s

watch it all be crit and mastery ahit

shield plzzzz or trinket, I get +17 mists axe last night

[timber slate]

Yogi soon is gonna carry us

The OG Pwar

[gentle stratus]

yeah is between that and Monk Brewmaster and demon hunter to learn tanking and try it out

[timber slate]

Dont play DH

They’re too cringe

[gentle stratus]

lol

[timber slate]

The class shouldnt exist imo
They dont even fit in the game

[boreal haven]

Is it harder to play, in Therms if SB Uptime, when I don't play Reprisal and equip Seismic?

Just looking for max DMG / Fun for my Warri Twink.

[chrome falcon]

well yeah obviously

SB uptime will be harder if you unequip the legendary that gives you SB uptime

[boreal haven]

Do we play Bolster Talent then?

[chrome falcon]

no

never

what key level are you doing

[boreal haven]

Anything between 15-20

Bolster is never the play?

[strong forum]

If you're going for max dmg, why would you play anything other than AM

You always play AM

[chrome falcon]

honestly you should just play rep

until you're comfortable on the class

[boreal haven]

Okay. Thx

[chrome falcon]

then try seismic

[boreal haven]

I like Pain.

Seriously, I will learn it pretty Quickly. Since I have Time. Iam not getting 60 and go 18s and 20s

Just want maximum DMG. 🙂

[chrome falcon]

prot is the hardest tank in the game so 🤷‍♂️ whatever you say i guess

[boreal haven]

That s motivating me.

Is Icy Veins a good Source?

[chrome falcon]

it's fine

[strong forum]

Seismic is fine to play, but you gotta play around it and pull more shit to get any worthwhile effect out of it

[chrome falcon]

you have to pull more while also being squishier and play your base rotation much better to not drop banner so

it's a lot more involved than just "me equip seismic do more dps now :)"

[boreal haven]

I will craft both and try it.
I appreciate your Infos!

[onyx matrix]

hey guys which weapon enchant do you use? lightless or celestial?

[sick sentinel]

thats why u play with a premade healer 🙂

[strong forum]

Celestial

[sick sentinel]

lightless garbage now

[lime urchin]

Why?

[sick sentinel]

cause its only ever useful in aoe but then at the same time celestial is always useful cause it just provides u with extra mainstat

[vernal vale]

Plus we revenge so much the extra main stat is very strong

along with everything esle

[lime urchin]

I see

[sick sentinel]

as long as i dont see , chest, legs, ..ehh.. kinda cloak, or some other BS in box we good!

[strong forum]

Be like me

Get 3 rings

[sick sentinel]

what do if if shows blade kit, stoneheart and TZ codex

[strong forum]

Codex

And also go cry in a corner

Or

[blazing condor]

Sockets

[strong forum]

Socket

[sick sentinel]

+18 dos death by urh

he dismantled me

[strong forum]

Was moreso that you ate the bomb

[sick sentinel]

big melees too

[strong forum]

Well

You got stunned

Then ate the bomb

Force slam = stun

[autumn pendant]

and then ate the dirt

[sick sentinel]

alot of things went wrong it seems, already had my 8/8 when i went for this one and i told em "no worries if it goes to shit"

[autumn pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/dirt-shovel-kid-play-gif-13847965

[sick sentinel]

this happened and then someone left

[blazing condor]

Well at least you werent worried

[sick sentinel]

shit going down is inevitable in keys, just gotta work at getting better/doing best we can.

[robust rover]

I hate Urh. Some fights (Last boss PF, Mana storms DoS) I can't always position to move out of slam and end up just pressing Shield Wall and eatting it.

[timber slate]

One death isnt gonna ruin the key

Idk why people are so toxic

[sick sentinel]

its not super consequential, but i was also pulling slightly smaller than the wo route on weekly routes io site

[timber slate]

Take Wo and skip straight to hakkar

[sick sentinel]

like, 7 mobs after wo tunnel in AW section of DOS, cuz its +18 which i hadn't timed one of yet. instead of the recommended 11-ish

[robust rover]

Love this route. Then if in a PUG I can do skips in Mana Storms, I don't have to worry about count when I go to Arden.

[timber slate]

Tried it last time and i couldnt open the door before hakkar lol

Weird

[scenic mural]

I thought you just kill the mob right outside the door

[sick sentinel]

Psure you just clear the final trash of that hallway and it opens

99.5% sure on that, could be all trash there and then that final pack and THEN it opens but not 100% sure

[timber slate]

Oh 🤔

[strong forum]

Only final pack is needed

[sick sentinel]

like everytime i've done DOS we just hold W that and kill it all

why would you skip hakkar trash though, its so easy to kill and even comes with quasi LOS pillars both sides not far apart, lots of them, usually try to pull them to the jar

[timber slate]

Pull every pack in the hallway?

[median tulip]

Lust timings

[timber slate]

Dude is asking for a suicide xD

[sick sentinel]

that trash is very dead simple to me, lol, one guy does a reflect thingy another does cleave, one does an interupt heal, its a do nothing % for free

[timber dagger]

just did 89% banner up time in mist

feels good

[median tulip]

You still kill the Hakkar trash, you just do it on the way back

[timber dagger]

14.5k overall

[timber slate]

This

[median tulip]

The main reason for the skip, as I say, is the timing on Lust; you skip there and use your first Lust early

TBH it's a better Route on Tyr weeks than on Fort

[sick sentinel]

i want to make sure of this, because im sure it was part of it, dunno the name of the uh... lift pads? dealer drops before she does the bombs

[timber dagger]

it's always better to go arden first

you hold lust too long if you skip to hakkar

[median tulip]

On Fort you lust the first platform and go Ardenweald

[timber dagger]

same for tyr

[timber slate]

Lusting on trash is also useless, they die before lust runs out

[sick sentinel]

hi

so, my question is basically, i stood in that, and it shot me in the air because i wasn't paying attention, and i know that i can move out of them early, my assumption is it drops 5, 1 for each player and when you touch 1, 1 goes away

[timber dagger]

lust for first platform then go arden

[sick sentinel]

who play warcraft 3 ?

[timber dagger]

your lust is back when you pull xy

[chrome falcon]

i mean if that one death is the tank getting hit by a stun and then everyone else dies After you used a wo skip

then yeah leaving is pretty reasonable

i'd probably leave

[timber dagger]

but if you go hakkar

[sick sentinel]

and i am, therefore, inting, by not early stepping out of the lifter pads

[timber dagger]

you have to kill 2 packs

[sick sentinel]

correct?

[timber dagger]

before hakkar

and on tyr you don't lust at 100%

probs around 40~60% boss hp

[chrome falcon]

prot warrior literally doesn't do anything on the dealer fight

[timber dagger]

holding lust for first 4mins O_O

[chrome falcon]

you can just spell reflect the explosion

just don't get hit by the shit on the ground

and it's literally 0 mechanics fight

[sick sentinel]

is the way i described it correct

[chrome falcon]

no because i don't understand what you said

[blazing condor]

Its right

[timber slate]

Also tanks dont even have to use the teleports

[chrome falcon]

i'm telling you everything you need to know about the fight

[blazing condor]

5 spawns

One is taken

4 remains

[sick sentinel]

that she/he drops 5 and if 3 people use them to early, unwisely, GG?

[blazing condor]

However, as a pwarr you spell reflect the explosion

And take no damage

[sick sentinel]

okay, so i am then inting if i do not move out, i'd say cuz that means dps+ healer don't have back up one to go on, puts everyone in awkward sitaution, boss has always given me trouble, or dies in 13 seconds

[timber slate]

Just dont step on it and move away from beams

[chrome falcon]

yes standing in the bad thing is bad

[timber slate]

The boss does tickle damage

[chrome falcon]

if that's what you wanted to know

you don't need multiple reasons not to stand in the bad thing

it already knocks you into the sky

[blazing condor]

They drop on players

So they drop

Then u move

So no one takes them

[sick sentinel]

thats why i died then, struggling to get on the boss and relic, stand in lifter, get confused, stand in urh, bomb, boom dead, depleto

[wanton ridge]

Cant make the spell reflect WA work, anyone knows if i need something else?

[blazing condor]

Shouldnt need any

[sick sentinel]

it doesn't appear until an actual spell is cast at you, thats in the WA

[blazing condor]

Dealer will always shoot one frontal beam towards you, and always put portals where people stand. So make sure you move the boss away once portals come

And dont face boss towards everyone else

[sick sentinel]

"Doesn't work" is extremely vague as well, as someone who has done tons of free IT support

[wanton ridge]

Theres no bar telling me the cast, even when im seeing i'm the Target. I thought maybe some graphic cfg needs to be activated

Running with int Gpu on low graph for a couple weeis

Weeks

[sick sentinel]

the one i am using is called "Spell Reflect Essentials" hang on

https://wago.io/5dGmkoWo_

[wanton ridge]

Gonna paste again, dunno

Ty

[onyx matrix]

Hey folks, how is the sanguine depths trinket for m+? Any good or just plain bad? Trinket that has some kind of aoe

[sick sentinel]

which one

[wanton ridge]

Doesnt make u slow?

[sick sentinel]

i did some testing on it in 9.0

[hazy edge]

Decanter: decent
Other one: vendor trash

[sick sentinel]

you can charge, or intervene, while its active, and you can leap, but you cant do any action (avatar) or item (potion) that would remove the speed loss, MS buffs still kick in but you are still slowed to hell.

the other portion (heal over time i believe) is directly bound to the slow

and if you remove one, you remove the other, it would be good in niche scenarios where you are expected to do literal nothing but block attacks and sit there attacking

[onyx matrix]

@hazy edge yea its the decanters one

[hazy edge]

Decanter is decent, not insane, but not bad.

[onyx matrix]

Cool, does it proc often?

[sick sentinel]

brooo