Okey cool so keep as close to 100% uptime as possible
#protection
blazing condor
look up the icyveins guide
hearty terrace
Okey thank you xoxo
blazing condor
sick sentinel
You see, protection warrior is a phenomenal spec. The most phenomenal spec, even; I would go as far to wager the greatest spec in the history of gaming, potentially ever. When most attempt to play protection warrior, the intricate complexities of its rotation simply weave their way around the common man’s mind before they could even hope to comprehend the true art that is playing prot. It’s only fitting that prot warrior be slandered as shit in the meta as punishment for humiliating the intellect of the masses.
undone verge
Prot is super satisfying to play when you play it right, but annoying asf if you play it wrong. Maybe why most people who swapped off prot tell me they ‘just didn’t like the way the spec feels’
sick sentinel
https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/uv2121/any_fire_mage_enjoyers/ pwar invite more fire mage i guess is the lesson (+238 m+score), and uh.. intervene the mage ig?
plucky edge
Prot is super satisfying to play when you play it right, but annoying asf if you...
im having a bad time playing it
cuz im main 2 buttons tank (guardian druid)
blazing cradle
hi, why is booming voice picked over best served cold?
lofty widget
you can choose bsc too, bsc is more overall, bv is easier banner management and more ST
blazing cradle
lv 50 should be anger management for tier set?
lofty widget
yes
blazing cradle
ty
upper spoke
any "leveling" discords? I've played every tank, but have no caster past level 10, so I want to level one in cata, an expansion that I skipped
primarily in dungeons
as a tank i'd instantly find groups, but I heard as a caster you have to wait a bit
drifting fable
the main wow disc may have something like lfg? but yea dps queues are always notoriously long
upper spoke
any advice?
uncut notch
So im thinking about the wall
it feels like i have shield wall up every two mins these days anyway in an m+ environment
The wall must surely drop it to like a one minute CD
Anyone fucked about with it in m+?
lofty widget
the wall is already a sub 1 min cd in m+, no need to run the wall
vernal vale
someone had once mentioned a sylv farming group for OWS
anyone know if thats still a thing
median tulip
someone had once mentioned a sylv farming group for OWS
vernal vale
thanks, gonna have to start trying to get that as ill be starting to raid again
as a dps sadly but it gets my foot in the door
median tulip
Personally I've taken the view that it's not worth my time this season, I'll get it in S4
vernal vale
fair enough ill see how motivated i am by how good/bad my dps looks without it
uncut notch
the wall is already a sub 1 min cd in m+, no need to run the wall
hot damn dude thats some impressive throughput - 1800 rage in 40 seconds seems a lot but now i think about it filling the rage bar 18 times doesnt seem as bonkers
chilly brook
The wall must surely drop it to like a one minute CD
Bruh you get like 50 second SWs in M+ as is
Why in the heck would you drop consistent mitigation
strong forum
In s2 AM + reprisal alone would drop it down to 1.5min
chilly brook
Consistent mitigation>hey I get shield wall somewhat faster
Like always
The only time this isn’t true is if the shield wall CD is actually needed to survive specific hits from specific bosses
Or if there’s just not blockable damage
chilly brook
Which m+ doesn’t fit either of those
cinder storm
SW goes brrr
chilly brook
SW goes brrr
cinder storm
Infinite powahh!
sick sentinel
no sanguine on market/music trash right?
chilly brook
Idk
cinder storm
No, that's RP trash
sick sentinel
its a 17 so it shouldn't be too hard, probably gunna give it a go
sick sentinel
i get confused on the last boss if i don't have someone to follow into a portal
cinder storm
It's practice, my only advice is, if shuri spawns on the other side where there are 2-3 portals and in your corner you only have one portal, it means you will have to take two portals right away so dont stop to overthink it
golden pollen
How big of a difference does seismic make overall? Or would it be better to stick to reprisal if I mainly just pug
blazing condor
not that big
toxic pewter
what key level does codex become used
jagged pier
well its not useful in 21s
hazy edge
what key level does codex become used
for prot war? probably never.
toxic pewter
top prot warriors are using it
strong forum
Even there it's questionable
blazing condor
yeah i wouldnt use it on a 25
blazing condor
strong forum
How big of a difference does seismic make overall? Or would it be better to stic...
Not alot
hazy edge
Codex is a giga trap trinket. It's only good for vdh, because of the amount of damage they take, and brew, because of how it interacts with stagger. It's pretty much not useful for any other tank
toxic pewter
I noticed 3 out of the top 5 prot warriors are using condensed anima sphere over unnerving focus. Do they know something I do not?
strong forum
Yeah they're dumb
blazing condor
strong forum
Unnerving focus is our best conduit
dawn canyon
Unnerv makes last stand a HUGE Button
toxic pewter
ya it literally is
strong forum
CAS is negligible at best
dawn canyon
Enables the perma
toxic pewter
ya
strong forum
If you really wanted to use it, use it over stalwart guardian, but not fucking unnerving
toxic pewter
oh theyre also using HR so maybe they just dont care about banner
sturdy sable
Id rather have the extra wall casts still
toxic pewter
nvm jsut 1 running HR
lofty widget
just shows theyre good players, not good pwars
sturdy sable
BuT NoM ThRy HaVe a HiGh IO they must know what they are talkijg about
toxic pewter
of the top 5 2 are running HR and 3 are running anima sphere. 3 are also runnign codex
sturdy sable
"leah I love wasting 60% of my 4pc bonus"
Really wakes me up in the morning
strong forum
Really good for that 10% extra block uptime
Lowering my avatar uptime from 60% to 20% is totally worth that
sturdy sable
Show of force is crap
lofty widget
AJ to do even more ST 
strong forum
Sof is a free 200-300 dps overall gain
sturdy sable
I keep it slotted mostly cause i raid
sturdy sable
I know your a key hero nom
toxic pewter
4 of the 5 using safeguard
sturdy sable
Well your a in theory hero atleast
hazy edge
Not running safeguard is hard trolling in high keys
toxic pewter
ya
blazing condor
i love playing safeguard and saving my mates
hazy edge
20% dr on a 30 sec cd is insane
toxic pewter
i like safeguard a lot
strong forum
Also
Rio shows what they logged out with
Not what they're actually using on a key to key basis
And also
toxic pewter
ya true
sturdy sable
^
blazing condor
and see what they run
strong forum
You habe to see the log
blazing condor
maybe not conduits
strong forum
So currently any pwar who is in the top 5
Is likely to be someone who's not the best pwar
So take it with a grain of salt
hazy edge
The absolute best pwars, don't push on pwar anymore
Andy got 4 set finally so maybe we'll see a few prot war keys from Sheeesh once Thaner gets back
sturdy sable
Well currently they are
strong forum
Tattman I know for a fact only pugs
sturdy sable
They don't have stable groups
Main reason i dont push
blazing condor
nerfclap to 5k 
blazing condor
kungen return? pog
sturdy sable
Slands is a wasteland compared to legion and hell even bfa (ally)
strong forum
Yah
waxen orbit
Pwar takes so much more attention currently than any other tank
Not even lowkey man
Highkey
hazy edge
Andyclap to 4k i believe
he's working on 3k rn for conduits 
waxen orbit
Like it’s not even on the downlow
strong forum
Oh sense is slowly creeping up on the leaderboard
dawn canyon
he's working on 3k rn for conduits <:gladge:963970137701109820>
Andy's stream too good man
Best playlist on twitch
strong forum
Andy got 4 set finally so maybe we'll see a few prot war keys from Sheeesh once ...
I'm curious
toxic pewter
anyone play the revenge leggo i sort of want to try it
sturdy sable
Siesmic?
toxic pewter
ya
waxen orbit
It’s solid for baby keys
strong forum
I've done a 16 today with it
toxic pewter
it seems like it would be fun
strong forum
Could've done better
waxen orbit
So like 20/19 or lower
toxic pewter
interesting
sturdy sable
Yes does damage good for weekly 15s
toxic pewter
gotcha
sturdy sable
Doesnt feel any better tbh
strong forum
I only did like 1k more dps
waxen orbit
Feels better in AOE dam pad and that’s it
strong forum
For the cost of taking twice as much dmg
waxen orbit
It’s abysmal in single target
sick sentinel
How big of a difference does seismic make overall? Or would it be better to stic...
few K overall
depends on the dungeon
torpid saffron
What talents do you guys run for M+ ? Currently trying to "push" 22-23's
strong forum
strong forum
never HR
sick sentinel
always am
shut summit
always am
strong forum
BSC / BV are always interchangable
dawn canyon
A tierset
M cocaine
sick sentinel
bsc for seismic i guess
dawn canyon
torpid saffron
Which one does more damage over the course of a dungeon ?
waxen orbit
BSC
dawn canyon
Bsc overall bv for easier Banner
torpid saffron
Oh, ok
blazing condor
BS gang
waxen orbit
Bsc overall bv for easier Banner
I still manage 85%+ overall uptime on Banner most keys without BV
torpid saffron
85% uptime ? how tf..
waxen orbit
It really isn’t that big of a boon for such a loss
torpid saffron
All rage dump going into Revenge, right ?
waxen orbit
Revenge and IP
torpid saffron
Oh, both ?
strong forum
I still manage 85%+ overall uptime on Banner most keys without BV
hence why we're saying theyre interchangable
torpid saffron
Ok.. i see
waxen orbit
No I get that
waxen orbit
hence why we're saying theyre interchangable
That’s why I’m saying it’s just sorta overkill for banner uptime as the reason
But that’s personal preference ig. Sorry I sorta phrased that as a make-or-break there
lofty widget
100 % with bv tho...
torpid saffron
Fml
jagged pier
85% uptime ? how tf..
i did 87% with seismic once 
torpid saffron
Starting to feel like a real scrub
hazy edge
iirc BV pulls ahead on ST, and BSC pulls waaaaay ahead on anything 2+ target
waxen orbit
Starting to feel like a real scrub
Nah man, don’t get down on yourself. It’s all about getting in the rhythm. Basically just keep the rule of having your fingers always moving
Prot warr is a lot to keep track of
torpid saffron
Nah man, don’t get down on yourself. It’s all about getting in the rhythm. Basic...
I do... but haven't managed to keep higher than 45-50% uptime on banner
So definetly i'm doing smth really bad
waxen orbit
You can always send your logs and we can take a dive in them and peak around to see the issue. Lots of good log-readers here
hazy edge
I do... but haven't managed to keep higher than 45-50% uptime on banner
sounds like a "post a log" situation
torpid saffron
I dunno how to send logs..
but with "post ur log"
jagged pier
ask a mod
sturdy sable
Alright everyone point and laugh
jagged pier
How do i log ?
So, if you have been here for a while, you may have noticed that whenever somebody ask for advice we ask them for a log, and if you’re new you might have no idea what that means or how to get one so :
🔸 First, download Loggerhead (https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/loggerhead) or ERT (https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/exorsus-raid-tools)
Once you have one of these any time you enter a zone where you might want a log (ie dungeon/raid/torghast) these addons will automatically start logging (in the case of ERT you have to activate automated logging in the options).
Alternatively if you don’t want to install an addon for it, whenever you are going to do an activity you want to log type /combatlog in chat to start logging said activity.
Remember to activate advanced logging in the options (System -> Network -> Advanced Combat Logging)
All these options will store your logs in your wow file inside the retail folder and the log file.
🔸 Second, go here (https://www.warcraftlogs.com/client/download) download the client. Select the live section of the client, select the upload a log button and select the fight you’re interested in putting up as a log and boom you’re done.
🔸 Third, once you’ve done all this, your log is uploaded you can put it up here and we can look at it together to see if you’re doing something wrong.
If you wish look at your own log Jakey made a nice little video explaining what we look at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1tRp8lULT8
waxen orbit
^
hardy ridge
I honestly have some trouble with banner uptime as well but in raid. I think i might not be spamming revenge enough
waxen orbit
At first glance without really diving deep it could be Revenge casts but I’d need to actually sit down and look
hardy ridge
Ye no rush, not home anyways rn
Been wanting to ask for awhile, im def doing something at least a bit wrong
Im probably dumping too much with ip instead of floating with some rage and spamming revenge to reset ss
torpid saffron
Also.. for Trinkets, atm i have a 278 Scale and a 246 Old Warrior's Soul..
Been running with Scale+Aegis before i switched to Necro
But lots of the good warriors told me it's not worth it to play 2 defensive trinkets
Scale+Codex would be good ?
sick sentinel
scale + whatever your other best is then
urban portal
no codex
jagged pier
i mean its not worth running any defesnive trinkets before like 24s i'd say
torpid saffron
I'm a noob and also pugging, not in a very coordinated group
So things don't work properly most of the times..
torpid saffron
Codex really that bad in combination with scale ?
Or is it just bad for prot warr ?
sick sentinel
u mean streets codex not the book codex from theatre
torpid saffron
Yeah, streets codex
sick sentinel
i want that
jagged pier
its useless
torpid saffron
So.. aiming for higher keys, scale+that streets codex would be good ? For like let's say 23-24 ?
urban portal
still not codex
torpid saffron
I get it, no defensive trinkets needed for lower keys..
urban portal
codex is bad
torpid saffron
still not codex
I saw lots of guys use it..
urban portal
because they dont know the math
torpid saffron
And i thought maybe it's good
urban portal
it maybe good in like, 33?
torpid saffron
So then, what should i run ? 278 scale i think it's still decent..
urban portal
scale is fine
torpid saffron
And what as a second trinket for more damage let's say.. ?
urban portal
OWS, AFE, phial
sick sentinel
i had m0 opc drop dos but i give to other warrior, 2 on use trinkets kinda meh, and 2 dps trinkets on tank m+ lil sussy
dawn canyon
Also m0 opc is like 6k valor
sick sentinel
automagical trinkets are nice yes
torpid saffron
AFE seems like not a good trinket
Especially Sanguine weeks
Where you have to move a lot
Phial dunno if i'd run it on fortified weeks
dawn canyon
This is probably one of the worse afe weeks
torpid saffron
As for OPC, on bloodmallet Decanter is more dps.. isn't it ?
dawn canyon
In aoe OPC is insane
torpid saffron
Nvm, i think i should stick with OWS.. it's 2nd trinket ahahaha
hazy edge
Yeah AFE is a bit worse this week. I'm still getting like 20-25% uptime tho
torpid saffron
Any idea what the proc rate is ?
sick sentinel
someone here did the math, secret is better
hazy edge
Can't remember the exact rppm, but it's pretty often
torpid saffron
Cool, but isn't OWS better if you chain pull ?
torpid saffron
Any player that streams when they do keys as prot ? 😄
median tulip
Also m0 opc is like 6k valor
4.4k
median tulip
Infinite Valour now though
dawn canyon
ye but would yo get that much for that one item
i personally wouldnt
nor do i need to
median tulip
You get 200 for helping newbies do a +2
scenic mural
if i could get sack to drop id have every trinket worth a dime from dungeons. it eludes me
toxic pewter
is sack only good on single target? notice the stacks dont really reach 3 on packs of mobs
lofty widget
doesnt have to reach 3 stacks, when the debuff expires it deals the same dmg regardless of stacks
urban portal
It also does damage on expiration
toxic pewter
if you think about it more dmg i do more dmg i prevent cuz things die faster
clever arrow
What is the best way to get a target for my intervene when the boss is fat
strong forum
whatever is closest
clever arrow
but I click it and I target the boss, like when halondrus is running away and I try to click on someone in front of him but it just keeps on clicking on the boss
strong forum
i just @mouseover whatever i can hit
usually works 
or just a raidframe of a melee player
and hover over that
chrome falcon
yeah
basically anything works other than just trying to click someone on your screen
when they're behind halondrus
clever arrow
ill do both i have the keybinds to spare
thanks
I need to get more value out of my reprisal my dps is awful
sick sentinel
the best idea is to have it on a macro on someone that understands and maybe like a shift mod for intervene focus vs mouse over
toxic pewter
just played prot pally for a bit.. how do people find this fun? no movement, boring rotation, just stand in consecrate
its awful
makes me want to vomit
urban portal
prot pal also has the same rotation as ret pal (roughly) so you dont have to relearn a lot
sick sentinel
just played prot pally for a bit.. how do people find this fun? no movement, bor...
also hit 1 button and heroic throw and gag order 4 targets at once
sturdy sable
and do great aoe damage by spamming your active mitigation
urban portal
its not active mitigation when its up 100% of the time
sick sentinel
on whatever the theatre was, dunno why, but i think cuz i went to attack a shape, on pull, paladin aggro, dead, started 17 streets, popping my banner, about to ravager or charge, priest angeled
toxic pewter
it seems sack basically needs mob to live at least 15 seconds or get 3 stacks of the debuff to work decently. Am i wrong in this?
sick sentinel
17 streets i did today, my 268 sack went off 54 times for 277 dps overall and 4.7% of my dmg
strong forum
das pretty shiut dps
sick sentinel
it did 469.0k flat, nice
toxic pewter
im sort of annoyed at sack so like say the 15 second timer it is about to detonate, then it gets another stack and its at 2 it effectively delayed the bomb from going off
i guess thats working correctly?
median tulip
Does sack detonate if the mob dies?
chrome falcon
I need to get more value out of my reprisal my dps is awful
if your dps is "awful" there are gonna be more reasons for it than just reprisal
strong forum
im sort of annoyed at sack so like say the 15 second timer it is about to detona...
it doesnt reset the timer
sick sentinel
i think the best solution is to try to get it on your taunt target like the mechanics guy and pray for best,
toxic pewter
Does sack detonate if the mob dies?
as far as I know it doesnt do aoe dmg anyway
strong forum
sack does detonate if the mob dies
but it doesnt do aoe dmg
it just does dmg to the target dying
sick sentinel
lots of mobs that dps like to gang bang dumpster them to 100 to 0% in 3 seconds, rip aggro stand in shit whatever die lol
so i'd try to get it on guy doing heal or something, pray for best, heavily RNG trinket, niche kinda
toxic pewter
yeah but if the target is at 0 health how can it do dmg
strong forum
maybe it procs at the exact threshold sack would do dmg idk
toxic pewter
i dont think it does dmg if mob dies thats why if u kill mob before 15 sec is over its bad
i tested it i just got the trinket
sick sentinel
all effects like that should have addendum of: if the target dies with this effect, and it would not do anything, (consolation)
median tulip
I thought it did AoE
median tulip
(I use Phial)
sick sentinel
yeah i'd like phial, this ones okay for now
toxic pewter
I just wish it was like 10 seconds instead of 15
cuz it can tick for 14 seconds and then bam, you get a 2nd stack
strong forum
it doesnt refresh tho
urban portal
tbh
no one actually knows how sack works in AOE because the sims are weird
sims really dont like targetswapping
strong forum
sack is poor in aoe
sick sentinel
riftshard is bad too right
urban portal
is that the legion thing
strong forum
riftshard sucks
sick sentinel
i would want to try the thoughtcage at normal/heroic
strong forum
bad
toxic pewter
it doesnt refresh tho
ya i refreshes just tested it
sick sentinel
viscera is awful besides that its automatic, only thing it has going for it, stoneheart bad, for us at least, bladekit meh, i dunno
median tulip
BDAK is such utter fucking trash. What on earth they thought they were doing putting that shit in the game I have no idea
Even a cursory knowledge of tanking would have revealed that it was a waste of time
sick sentinel
https://www.wowhead.com/item=159626/lingering-sporepods?bonus=4777:1473, BIS tank trinket
urban portal
so do 99% of damage trinkets, but at least its linear
like phial<sack<cache (as an example) for agility but that doesnt make phial dogshit
just mediocre
whereas tank trinkets are just either "good" or 'bad"
theres no in between
strong forum
dps get alot better trinkets
alot more often
tanks get 2 trinkets per patch
and 0.3 are good
hazy edge
^
There have been 3ish good tank trinkets this entire xpac
scale, aegis, rdm
points can be made for a few more, but that's really about it
strong forum
alone from m+, dps get:
Phial, sack, iqd, opc, changeling, ruby, ooze
tanks?
scale
urban portal
stat trinkets are inherently worse on tanks than dps
is the problem
so half of the pool is gone
urban portal
OPC is good
strong forum
i mean passive proc trinkets
like Rezan
gorebutcher block
those trinkets owned
vita
urban portal
There’s no passive stat trinkets that’s good in m+ for strength/agi either
It’s just changling
strong forum
like i said
dont have those
but dps have a broader choice of trinkets
that arent useless
tank trinkets are historically bad because they have to be strong to be worth to be equipped
urban portal
Most of the trinkets you listed are good on tanks too, but yeah nothing that increases durability is good
Except scale
strong forum
and for the fact thatyou get thrown dumbass armor/stam trinkets at you
strong forum
Most of the trinkets you listed are good on tanks too, but yeah nothing that inc...
yes because we have to make due with those
rn in the current patch
good trinkets for tanks dont exist
you have to do an old raid to get good trinkets
urban portal
The main problem is that they need to keep reinventing the wheel with cheat death trinkets
Every tier there has to be a new one
strong forum
uh no
urban portal
Else tanks are behind
strong forum
and it was absolutely dogshit
cheat death should be removed from the game
its a dumb mechanic
also nobody uses cheat death trinkets currently
nobody
aegis/matrix/ows are still insanely powerful trinkets
urban portal
Rdm is nothing special fundamentally, just that numbers were high
I think codex should’ve been a higher% reduction and lower the cap
So it’s like a shitty Rdm
urban portal
Ye the fact you lose 6% dam for just equipping it is too much
strong forum
but it has stam, so its literally 500dps behind every other trinket
urban portal
Not to mention armor and all that junk
urban portal
wait
speaking of that
i can sim the difference between a mainstat sack vs current ssack
1 second
i learned how to do that yesterday
~250 dps
so yeah
strong forum
yeup
which is why phial is massively better in m+
cuz sack barely beats phial in raw dmg in keys
but phial has mainstat
sick sentinel
i've found if you die there is an emergency food buff item this patch, protofruit flesh and its just a single click instant, no wait time, buffs you for 30 stam, counts as food buff, it's not very good, but its an option in an emergency key
timber nest
what are the best/more popular prot trinkets for m+?
echo egret
the ones you manage to obtain
sick sentinel
scale, phial, secret high end afe on low end ??? about raid trinkets but the haste ones are good, avoid rest im told
everything else shit tier,** if its a trinket that makes you do more dmg or have more haste, you want it**
toxic pewter
I wish codex was better for us
I sort of like the idea of the codex reducing dmg while outputting dps
urban portal
If codex is bad on blood dk then it’s bad on every spec
So yeah
Codex has fundamental issues
hazy edge
nah codex is still decent for vdh and brew
vdh takes a lot more upfront damage than bdk currently and the interaction between codex and stagger makes it pretty decent for brew
But yeah, overall, Codex is not a good trinket
potent anvil
I like OWS+Sigil.
urban portal
Yeah forgot about brew
mortal brook
fortunately next season we get the best tanking trinket back: Modular Platinum Plating 🪤
hazy edge
You mean 311 Aegis that’s obtainable by all
I know you’re being sarcastic, but I’m genuinely excited by that
chrome falcon
i'm so hype for season 4 because it means i can actually take a break from the fucking game
dawn canyon
sick sentinel
didn't go very well except axe
timber slate
Yogi wants to tank my key👀
sick sentinel
if i tank your key its gunna be tanked into the ground
urban portal
did you use seismic
sacred timber
did you use seismic
reprisal (it is heroic)
urban portal
Seismic could go crazy
sick sentinel
https://youtu.be/xZEPgLkzhwE me when it's a 15 I need for ksm prog, "I don't care how, just win the race"
pallid quiver
interrupts need to do damage for them to press it
something something doesn't shield bash do damage in vanilla/tbc/wrath timeline
i forgot from when I played original release and haven't played classic
median tulip
If interrupts did damage they would be on the GCD
They should make the caster ones be castable whilst casting though
trim bay
scenic mural
how would elegy be bad
its just a stat stick
and a set and forget one that you have total control over unlike technique
pallid quiver
They should make the caster ones be castable whilst casting though
coughs in warlock
plucky hearth
median tulip
and a set and forget one that you have total control over unlike technique
You don't, though. Mine flips to Mastery whenever I push banner.
dawn canyon
I had a streets where my pugged nf pwar tank friend beat both ele shaman and BM hunter
hazy edge
dawn canyon
hazy edge
Still have 8 keys at 18 or less as well so lots more io to be gained
dawn canyon
What's the next week affix wise?
hazy edge
I think next week is back to the beginning? So maybe Bolstering Explosive?
Wait no that's not right
Wait no I was right lol
dawn canyon
Inspiring doesnt spark joy
hazy edge
I haven't finished the campaign so I can't get my 278 conduits 
mortal brook
do the campaign. get those massive gains
ionic fern
Don't you need 3k or something else as well?
toxic pewter
yah need 3k or do rated pvp
can mythic raiders obtain them also?
how much crit u guys packing
ionic fern
how much crit u guys packing
27%
ionic fern
can mythic raiders obtain them also?
toxic pewter
anyone know how much highmountain tauren racial rugged tenacity reduces damage by at lvl 60?
toxic pewter
is it better or worse than nose for trouble vulpera racial
toxic pewter
i checked my hmt druid and its 12 dmg per attack it takes off
strong forum
When vulpera racial is smth like 350k+ a dungeon
toxic pewter
Ok yeah so i just did a 20 necrotic wake and i took off 487k
with nose for trouble
so strong
hightmountain tauren blocks 12 dmg everytime they are attacked though, it could add up? details doesnt seem to track it
including magic dmg
toxic pewter
lol
strong forum
How many times you need to be hit, for 150 to even add up to a couple hundred thousand?
toxic pewter
XD
true
apparently 40-50 thousand times
at 12 dmg blocked which is what i see on my druid
nose for trouble averages out to 3200 per first hit
toxic pewter
Ya but not every mob hits for 5.2k
sick sentinel
Ya but not every mob hits for 5.2k
toxic pewter
Right but what I’m saying is over course of dungeon it averaged out to 3.2k because not ever mob first hits for 5.2k or more
dawn canyon
Camp>>>
remote dawn
playing BSC or Booming?
dawn canyon
Either works
BV is more rage, but makes using shout as a defensive a bit akward since u wanna use it on CD
remote dawn
BSC = AOE Booming = ST right?
remote dawn
kk ty ❤️
remote dawn
kk sounds good
strong forum
Camp>>>
I set my camp at creation catalyst so I don't have to do that whole ordeal of getting to ZM when I wanna transform stuff for tmog
lavish oracle
What's the M+ covenant this patch?
sweet summit
necro
lavish oracle
Guess I'm grinding renown
sweet summit
lavish oracle
Is it far enough ahead to avoid swapping if the group is missing a particular covenant?
Like for dungeon bonuses
sweet summit
depends on dungeon but i'd swap for kyrian dungeons at most
venthyr, no way
nf, doubt it's worth
lavish oracle
Aight, cool, well I've already got kyrian maxed so that makes that easy
lavish oracle
SV plays kyrian?
dawn canyon
Yes
lavish oracle
Neat
dawn canyon
SV kyr lock can go Venth kyr or nf
Ur the necro and u got it all covered
Most locks are NF tho
lavish oracle
Random question, probably not useful to know but how does Dragon's Roar bonus crit damage scale with EM?
dawn canyon
It does but it isnt worth
lavish oracle
Is it additive or multiplicitive
dawn canyon
Roar aint too good for fury
In SoD it was
But now it's a pretty low prio filler spell
lavish oracle
Eh, Fury is brain off for me anyways, not too focused on super optimal play for it
dawn canyon
Non crit roars are sadge
sweet summit
have 0 crit on gear but crit regardless 😎
blazing condor
worlds biggest scam
brittle owl
have 0 crit on gear but crit regardless 😎
gamer
sweet summit
stuck kite
I have to share this https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/uv2121/any_fire_mage_enjoyers/
It's pure gold
jagged pier
is sanguine depths supposed to be hard for prot warrior or somthing?
cause its one of our better dungeons
jagged pier
isnt the vid showing the warrior basically cant do it with out a mage? i dunno seems dumb
jagged pier
🤔
ionic fern
Maybe the point is that..the mage is ripping aggro and we have to intervene?
😦
@stuck kite explain.
jagged pier
mages ripping aggro KEKW
blazing condor
😡 prot skyhold reacting rn
jagged pier
well who ever made the obvs cant play warrior otherwise they wouldnt be loosing aggro to a fire mage
blazing condor
i took it as "fire mage good"
intervene was just to get to him on his waifupillow
sick sentinel
i took it as "fire mage good"
https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/uv2121/any_fire_mage_enjoyers/ it's literal what u said, us, fire mage, and intervene :)
sick sentinel
was what actually happened to me, needed 15 mists for KSM, guild mage shows up and we destroy it
strong forum
Getting there!
sick sentinel
wtb key exchanger service
sick sentinel
100-500 gold or some other currency type/amount once per day can change the key in YOUR bags to something else same level
strong forum
100-500 gold or some other currency type/amount once per day can change the key ...
That does exist tho
At the end of every m+ run you can reroll your key
strong forum
There's an npc spawning next to the chest
sick sentinel
WTF
strong forum
That let's you reroll your key
lofty widget
the key has to be in time tho, and equal to or higher than the key in your bags
sick sentinel
lime urchin
Only if you timed the key, right
sick sentinel
wait wait wait, what the fuck are you guys on about?
this is something i do not know about
strong forum
It's true
sick sentinel
okay, so what is the name of the NPC or what it looks like or somethin, and i just go talk to it after i time MY key i guess?
sick sentinel
oh, so you could just do a low key and time it and re-roll everyones key?
strong forum
And you can talk to the npc, tazavesh looking mf, next to the end of dungeon chest
sick sentinel
well, son of a bitch, i wish i knew that
strong forum
oh, so you could just do a low key and time it and re-roll everyones key?
"of equal or higher level than your key"
minor helm
It's just a broker that spawns next to the chest
sick sentinel
it just never occured that this is a thing that happens to me yet, nobody bring it up
strong forum
Not alot of people make use of it on lower levels
sick sentinel
noiticed if zero players in party at end automatically zones you out
still doesn't stop the yellow ball thing if you then DC and re connect
sick sentinel
someone says its only if ur running someone elses key
lofty widget
yes you cant upgrade your own key if you time it because its a higher level
sick sentinel
I dont like necrolord warrior
jagged pier
sick sentinel
does it get better (gameplay feeling) with tier?
or does it always feel like buff boyo?
dawn canyon
A lot better with tier actually
sick sentinel
not talking about numbers, but smootheness and stuff
rough egret
Then dont pick warrior
stable wind
I had to play a lot prot to become confident with it, I suffered, but now I'm having a blast
The difference of having both codex and scale rather than 2 Fury trinkets feels incredible better
jagged pier
trinkets will make no difference
if u think they do then you are playing incorrectly
strong forum
need a brainedead tank to go easy on my mind from prot paladin main
Then pwar is the exact opposite of what you want
Monk, bdk to a degree, bear and vdh are the braindead ones
pallid quiver
the fuck's a useful trinket; all i got is the junk from rares and the stuff from the catch-up equipment
coming back after a break sucks
strong forum
There are no useful trinkets in current patch
strong forum
The least shit ones you can get from current patch are soleahs, anime emitter and elegy
pallid quiver
i just want one that does damage more than my dinky 223
strong forum
Then get a phial
pallid quiver
i'll get on that once the game stops giving me one-handers ;-;
strong forum
Its boring but does the biggest number
Go arms lootspec in PF
Can't loot 1h that way
But can loot the trinket
And 2h doesn't drop in PF
pallid quiver
huh
didn't know 2h didn't drop there
my shitpost comment gave me knowledge of actual use
Time to see if I'll remember it by the time I hit PF next
sick sentinel
don't u also ontop of requiring to on use the OPC, have to stand in a beam from a totem thing and block it ala p1 manastorms DoS
strong forum
It's just a cosmetic effect
dawn canyon
Press Button go to 1003838292 crit
sick sentinel
I decided to try prot warrior
like that you can completely ignore Ignore Pain in favor of Revenge because its so underwhelming. So thats 1 less button
ionic fern
Well, once you get tier and double legendaries you will be smashing IP.
sick sentinel
Shield Block press from time to time to stay alive as big Defensive CDs
and cool, ez
ionic fern
o.o
sick sentinel
to be real now, do we swim in rage with tier + double leggo?
ionic fern
Yes.
sick sentinel
shield block is you need it or you don't
Havent touched mine since CN
swim in rage is good
if you need SB you just hit the butto and face enemies and attempt to attack and do normal things
zero more thought to it than that, but if you DON'T block stuff, thats when u get into big trouble
unless magical
we don't have a way to recover from a huge fuck up without external help
strong forum
Optimal use of IP is roughly 10-12 casts per minute
Revenge is 15-19 casts per minute
So yeah
Spec swims in alot of rage
strong forum
If not more
strong forum
Ya
It is
Atleast defensively speaking
Offensively bfa was just more
And there's nothing you can do about it
The numbers were just bigger on our buttons
strong forum
Yup
It's our dmg output and straight up dungeon design why we're worse off this expansion
strong forum
Not in Upper mechagon no
dawn canyon
Idk Kara/WoD ones
strong forum
We were pretty bad in that one
topaz field
how can u see its better now than bfa :D:D
the only reason prot warrior is bad is his talent tree
which was ruiined by Ion himself i can assume
topaz field
i mean for really high keys
strong forum
You clearly don't know what you're talking about
topaz field
u actually need shieldblock 100 % uptime and not that "play phial" mentality of this channel
and since you can no longer play bolster it simply doesnt work
strong forum
You realise you can get to 95% uptime with reprisal alone?
topaz field
and it will eventually lee to u having to play HR
yes but its garbage if u have to perma run like a clown
in order to charge
dawn canyon
In high key you dont die to blockable stuff
ionic fern
You don't run. 👀
topaz field
ofc you do
ionic fern
I mean..maybe you do.
jagged pier
i mean u do not unless your bad
topaz field
ye sure
sick sentinel
whats a high key?
topaz field
26++
sick sentinel
15? 20? 25?
topaz field
where u get hit by actual real dmg
ionic fern
Depends on who you ask.
Plka will tell you "27+"
Some random dude will tell you "+15"
sick sentinel
Can only speak from pala perspective, but I dont die there because of mobs meleeing me
dawn canyon
The dos casters for example
dawn canyon
Arent fun for pwar
jagged pier
yus HR required
topaz field
i agree that prot warrior is more fun than it was in bfa but the talent tree is what ruins it
ionic fern
What is wrong with the talent tree? 👀
strong forum
We're still stronger than in bfa, just alot harder to play.
sick sentinel
well, the first line do be locked tbh
topaz field
well first of all
the new Anger management
is pure garbage
if u compare it to bfa
ionic fern
😂
Sure, if you just compare talents 1 by 1 like that with previous iterations.
You could go all the way back to MoP* and say that everything since that is shit cause no glad stance.
strong forum
Devastator is garbage now cuz in legion it used to generate +5 extra rage
Still have to play it
strong forum
But yes, bfa anger management was alot better
topaz field
bfa prot to shadowlands prot
dawn canyon
Man ip sux compared to 7.0
strong forum
But that doesn't mean that bfa pwar is stronger
jagged pier
we used to have execute talents and bladestorm in panda and WoD
talent tree is trash
sick sentinel
But that doesn't mean that bfa pwar is stronger
TDev
strong forum
If you look at everything plankton, then SL pwar is objectively stronger defensively
There is no way around that
ionic fern
I'm just trying to understand what you're basing your arguments on. 🤷
strong forum
Offensively bfa pwar was stronger, yes, dungeon design was more favoured towards pwar, yes
topaz field
ye ofcv
jagged pier
that has nothing to do with talents
topaz field
but u also take your 10 % tier set into consideration
strong forum
Like I said, everything taken into account..
strong forum
We generate more rage than back, have alot more IP usage, we have indomitable
onyx matrix
hey folks, been considering testing out prot warr in m+, how are they? fun? talent wise? I need some help
dawn canyon
hey folks, been considering testing out prot warr in m+, how are they? fun? tale...
Is great fun but tricky to play
strong forum
We have pretty much the same uptime on Block
ionic fern
hey folks, been considering testing out prot warr in m+, how are they? fun? tale...
Super fun if you like to smash buttons a lot.
strong forum
How is bfa stronger again?
ionic fern
Yes.
onyx matrix
cool ty
strong forum
By quite alot
strong forum
Personal pref
onyx matrix
aight ty, and what about leggy? the 2x heroic leap one?
dawn canyon
Reprisal
onyx matrix
ah so no leaper?
dawn canyon
No leaper
onyx matrix
ah okay ty
strong forum
Alot worse
In legion you generated 10x threat
Now it's down to 4x
And dps can deal alllot more than tanks
onyx matrix
cool, shouldnt be an issue still I guess
strong forum
It can be an issue with bursty dps
sick sentinel
leaper is good for meme PvP videos
dawn canyon
Losbby 
where has our sweet prince gone
sick sentinel
onyx matrix
shouldnt be an issue with testing out a +10 as prot with ilvl 260 right?
ionic fern
Nope.
onyx matrix
true
strong forum
Buddy of mine did 20s with 245
Just a few days ago
You'll be fine
Pwar bad or smth
stuck kite
Buddy of mine did 20s with 245
With highly stuffed mate?
pallid quiver
so bad they can't even run +2s at 250 based on the whispers i got while trying to find some pugs
wild what people think
strong forum
Idk was just pug group
strong forum
so bad they can't even run +2s at 250 based on the whispers i got while trying t...
I get declined with 273 aswell for 2s
Dw
pallid quiver
Did they whisper you back that they wouldn't be able to clear with a Prot War? That was the part that killed me
pallid quiver
shame, that's just business as usual then
dawn canyon
Own key gaming
pallid quiver
i just play with friends
strong forum
I just laugh at the audacity
dawn canyon
From a dps POV i dont care what tank it is if they can live and hold aggro
pallid quiver
trying to pug, filling or signing up, takes too much time/effort on my part
dawn canyon
The aggro part is negligable with a hunter or rogue
topaz field
i dont know but i hope the fellow melee friends enjoy an ap buff
but i assume they dont even know
pallid quiver
From a dps POV i dont care what tank it is if they can live and hold aggro
I'll think bad things if they're doing poo-poo damage, but mostly same when DPS'ing.
pallid quiver
I've always been an advocate for big damage tank
people looked at me funny back in mop for gearing for damage once i was comfortable with the amount of damage i was taking
look who's laughing now that people are talking tank damage
stuck kite
This could be so good if another one of our spell could getter us mastery Block... like clap or last stand (base), we could reach the 90% uptime and be so op against physical
dawn canyon
Huh
topaz field
@stuck kite i dont know any better tank for physical dmg than prot war
dawn canyon
We are already good into phys
dawn canyon
Where's the fun in a game without any weaknesses in tanks
dawn canyon
It has a clear weakness
stuck kite
Actually
topaz field
dk has so fucking clear weaknesses
dawn canyon
Environmental damage and oneshots
topaz field
when i see these wheelchairs users during this week
trying to move stuff out of sanguine
stuck kite
So if so weak why they are the full meta op
topaz field
i piss my pants
dawn canyon
I didnt say it was weak
But it isnt OP into everything
At some point they just get onetapped if they dont parry
DK does not have great mitigation
topaz field
@stuck kite the only reason a tank is meta
dawn canyon
BDK damage taken is HIGH
topaz field
is because he is doing the highest dmg
stuck kite
Yeah but rhey are on limit constant pary if played Well
onyx matrix
topping the dps atm XD
pallid quiver
did someone mention wishing spell reflect lasted more than 1 spell?
legion spell reflect borrowed power come back
stuck kite
So we are no more the big damage tank
dawn canyon
Pwar 2nd best St
stuck kite
Yezh With the conduit
topaz field
because eventually on high keys the single target dmg matters very much more than anything else
vernal vale
I made so many mistakes last night
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/zb7tpjPg6fmA2Hwx#fight=last&type=summary
super frustrating