protection

[teal swift]

Item level doesn't matter much

It's honestly a crutch. Ilvl isn't the difference between 15's and 28s.

There are people who've done full 20s in garbage gear

[rough egret]

I need to make some WA for Fleshcraft.. im forgeting that spell exist

[teal swift]

@jagged pier can confirm ^^

[lofty widget]

well ppl were doing 20s first week with 0pc1l, but 13s aat 229 on a new class is good 👍

[teal swift]

How you play, is actually important.

What you wear isn't.

[rough egret]

so the "block" stat isnt that huge?

[chrome falcon]

well...

no block is very important

but there's not really anything you can do about it

just get a good shield

[jagged pier]

your missing alot of stuff try this one
#showtooltip Charge
/cast Intervene [target=mouseover,help,exists,nodead]Intervene; Intervene
/cast Charge [target=target,harm,exists,nodead]Charge; Charge

[jagged pier]

ilvl does matter to some extent, but play is much more important

[jovial mesa]

👍

[echo egret]

/cast Charge [target=target,harm,exists,nodead]Charge; Charge
why the need for the first conditional ?

if I'm not mistaken, if that condition is not meant, charge can't go off anyway

[rough egret]

thanks, so charge will work only on target but it should alow me to intervene on mouseover

[jagged pier]

yer

on players or focus or any frames tbh

[rough egret]

ok thats perfect

[echo egret]

I still feel like a noob at this necrolord thing, but ... I'm quite proud of that one, especially when it's been done mostly through pugs.

[rough egret]

gj!

[lime urchin]

Nice! Did you make some frens along the way?!

[sick sentinel]

guild mage op

[echo egret]

One or two !

[gray iris]

hey guys... I am doing soa... Those goliaths heal themselves in the sanguine pool soon as the other mob dies especially when they take a few seconds to recharge.. It took us 3 minutes to clear the first pull on 16+

how do you deal with that?

[rough egret]

Well you need to poay around it somehow, it takes a bit time untill he kneels so move other mobs away

[gray iris]

how am i supposed to single that goliath out during the whole pull

[rough egret]

You can kite them all in circle all the time

[lofty widget]

you can move the other mobs when he's kneeling or you can shockwave all the other mobs and move him out

[gray iris]

oh okay will try that

[cinder storm]

Backstep a lot while circling the other adds with the Goliath and being mindful of the frontal

[gray iris]

how do i circle the adds... you mean move around the mobs in circles?

[cinder storm]

Yep, just backstep, by the time the Goliath reaches that pack with lust, the other adds are usually around 70% hp

So by the time it does it's second casts is when you should start backstepping and maybe running

Third Goliath pack with lust what I usually ask for is for the spear to be thrown slightly before the birds get close, so that they die by the cleave but not on top of the Goliath while speared

That way they get stunned in the spears outer circle

[gray iris]

ok thanks will try this..

[robust rover]

Big gratz on your +15! +2 +2 +2

[sturdy sable]

This has been my favorite character arc throughout slands ngl

[cinder storm]

yogi getting there, guy's already pumping

[sturdy sable]

Proud of you

Gonna be a mythic raider+25 key pusher just in time for dragon flight

[dawn canyon]

@sick sentinel turn off friendly nameplates

Gz on the mists

[steady lantern]

is ravager still better than into the fray in mythic+?

[chrome falcon]

yes

[strong forum]

yes ravager is seriously better than ITF

i re-simmed it

and the more targets you get the better rav is

on 4 targets rav breaks even with itf, by 8 targets its ahead by like 300 dps

[urban portal]

Ravager also has synergy with urh

[strong forum]

its also just more rpm

[toxic pewter]

whats the best alliance prot warrior race

[lofty widget]

dwarf/di dwarf

[urban portal]

dwarf if you are venthyr

its 2% crit damage

[ocean yoke]

mechagnome is great since it will upset your raid team every time they see it

[tropic linden]

KT has good passives too

But dwarfs are the best warriors lorewise

[strong forum]

dwarf

[sick sentinel]

that 15 gave me no loot and an arms 265 conduit (CtR) for some reason despite being prot spec

GG blizz

conduits are bonus loot

u dont loot spec into them

could have been netrual one im using

[cinder pasture]

Every conduit has a specific place where they drop as well

[sick sentinel]

oh yeah? i thought they weren't tied to drop from specific dungeons

no they are

check the loot on every dungeon

and if ur x covenant you only get the covenant conduit from dungeons in their respective zone

e.g only get necro conduit if you’re playing necro and do top or pf

[shell shale]

No it only drops from one of them

I think it's top

Not logged in so can't check

Kyrian is necrotic wake

Nf is mists

[sick sentinel]

estimated odds of getting a conduit from dungeon? just 1 not any specific one

[shell shale]

And venthyr is halls I believe

100%

[sick sentinel]

100% i thought

if u dont have it already at 265

thats first one im postiive

everything but VR AJ CR are 252, listed are 226

so if you want conduits specificlaly just look at the loot table

and run it on 15

and you’ll get it

does it jump from 252 to 265? and then you have to do 15's probably to get 265's?

what

you just get the conduit at 265 when you complete the 15

yeah, the level of key that it flips from 226 252 265

itll jump from whatever you have to 265

when you do the 15 and get it

idk i havent run anything under 15

but 15s give 265s

plan to farm out 15's if i can, but if they drop on 14 or lower maybe easier to go on those, dunno if theres some like 285 conduits from m+ mythic raid maybe

[cinder pasture]

I got a 226 in an 11 on my alt yesterday

[sick sentinel]

no they drop from 15s only iirc

and mythic raid drops 278

but it’s not100% in raid

better off just getting ksh if you want 278s

i've been running 10-14's mostly

run ur 15 and get all conduits

[dawn canyon]

Is a good thing to do

[sick sentinel]

thats 17 gambit sir

[cinder storm]

Yogi is just breaking into his 15s

[sick sentinel]

also shitter

but

[dawn canyon]

Gambit is good

[sick sentinel]

surely u can get carried by lfg

[dawn canyon]

Nice key

17s pug quality is infinitely better than 14s

Youll have a better time yogi

[sick sentinel]

yeah now that ur at 15 + u should get ppl doing weeklies

[cinder storm]

Idk, I've met many bad dps on 15s-20s

[sick sentinel]

just dont invite shitters and ull do well

the way i do first boss now is when console i run to it and look at it and call it out; let to right, top to bottom *blue, (goes to fl), red. next line, green, purple

[gray iris]

The problem happens because of mismanaged interrupts and ccs in 17-19... Casts go off and you die becuase everyone has used their interrupt on the first cast

[sick sentinel]

use the weakaura

[dawn canyon]

Theyll do more damage most of the time and that helps

[gray iris]

just got a lock pug today who did 7.1k damage in soa 17

[dawn canyon]

• Most of the time *

[gray iris]

and took 2.1k damage

[sick sentinel]

who are u inviting bro

also did u time?

[gray iris]

there is a 30% chance you'' get good players, 50% average and 20% really bad players

[dawn canyon]

That's good odds ngl

[sick sentinel]

so u have an 80% chance to time

and if u actually know how to filter players u will get a good player 99% of the time

[gray iris]

i mean if you join random groups xd

[dawn canyon]

Own key supremacy

[sick sentinel]

if ur the one joining then who cares

not ur key not ur problem

[gray iris]

do you guys play tank pvp?

[sick sentinel]

😂

[gray iris]

just saw a guy playing it...and dh aswell

[dawn canyon]

PvP changes: Warrior
Protection: Protection 4 Set effect reduced by 50% in pvp

[gray iris]

oh okay

[urban portal]

It's honestly not that bad

Even after nerfs

Def something you can play for fun

[dawn canyon]

Here's the issue

PvP and fun

[gray iris]

yeah.. with a good healer... it takes forever to kill them

but dps is not enough to win however

[dawn canyon]

It's not gonna win games

Oneshot or nothing

90% of the time no oneshot

[gray iris]

pvp is more fun i think if you dont take the game seriously xd

[dawn canyon]

I dont enjoy being oneshot by a warlock randomly

50k in a global

[gray iris]

haha i get ya

[dawn canyon]

Losing isnt fun

To me at least

[waxen orbit]

@sweet summit

I’m sorry big man

[dawn canyon]

Not like that's new

[sweet summit]

die pvp die

[waxen orbit]

Still not as gross as fury in PVP right now

[dawn canyon]

Warlock is arguably far more oppressive

[waxen orbit]

Oh no for sure

I’m saying prot pre nerf vs. fury rn

Nah

Fury clears

Warlock had a chokehold on PVP since MoP bro

[dawn canyon]

Bfa s4

But it's sl

[waxen orbit]

Nah that’s my point brodie

Been nearly 10 years straight of purple dominance in arena

[dawn canyon]

And blue

[waxen orbit]

Class just has so much control

[gray iris]

it is tough to play warlock in pvp...especially against arms...in bgs they are gods

[dawn canyon]

And yellow

[waxen orbit]

True true

[dawn canyon]

In what way

[rough egret]

during the M+ run is it worth fleshcrat on CD?

[waxen orbit]

For the quick Marileth buff? Yeah

For the full shield? Nah not really

[gray iris]

movability is not much..... arms have heroic leap and charge to counter gateway and circle spawn

[dawn canyon]

You can cast straight in their face

Doesnt matter

They kick your bolt you fear they zerk you fear ahain

[waxen orbit]

Not unless you’re anticipating a big hit like 3rd boss of Sanguine’s tank buster @rough egret

[dawn canyon]

[waxen orbit]

Oh shit wrong tag

Sorry Biz

[halcyon lichen]

[waxen orbit]

[rough egret]

alright ty

[gray iris]

arms can spell reflect their chaos bolt and interrupt fear

but yeah 1 shot happens a lot with warlock

[sick sentinel]

dont they have instant cast chaos bolt

[autumn pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-sideshow-bob-die-bart-tattoo-gif-5453892

[sick sentinel]

so u reflect 1 and they just cast another lol

[dawn canyon]

You have to pre reflect it

And they can incin it off

If Arms was good into warlock youd see arms

But it's not

[gray iris]

it is about pressure.. if arms can apply pressure on them, most warlocks falter but if you dont then you die xd

[dawn canyon]

They can tank a full fury Banner through a 40% MS so Arms wont come close

Sure a bad lock will panic and lose

But if both play well theres little chance

[toxic pewter]

Port warrior is actually the best warrior pvp spec at the moment

[dawn canyon]

[toxic pewter]

not even joking

I can 1v1 arms or fury and win every time

[dawn canyon]

Are duels really pvp

Per definition yes, but honestly no

[urban portal]

i mean

i dont think anyone will be surprised if prot beats arms/fury

just due to how shield block works

[dawn canyon]

If they disarm u and dont get oneshot

Fury can prolly eat u

In the end it's warriors fueling themselves

[urban portal]

i mean cant you just diarm them back

[dawn canyon]

War vs anything else is a loss most of the time

[urban portal]

whats stopping you

this is a duel which doesnt matter anyways

[dawn canyon]

Bs the disarm

Or not

[urban portal]

again idk about duels

but it doesnt seem like prot war can possibly lose vs another warrior in a 1v1

[dawn canyon]

Duels is bad content anyways

[gray iris]

some of the best pvp players are warriors

[dawn canyon]

Got nothing to do with my point

[quaint glade]

Was doing necrotic wake 20+ and priest dies to aoe armour crush 5 times, and says to me I’m boosted

[dawn canyon]

Good pvpers play arenas

And have healers

[quaint glade]

Yet people say Kazzak people are toxic

Look at Ysondre ffs

Full of pepegas

[gray iris]

yes with healers..without healers warriors are not good

[dawn canyon]

And thats why duels

Arent good content

[urban portal]

duels isnt real content

duels is less real content than bet battles

*pet

[strong forum]

duels used to be good pre-legion

[urban portal]

what happened

[strong forum]

legion gave pvp templates

but those templates only applied in instanced pvp content

so in world pvp and duels, you had your normal stats of your gear

aka nothing like youd perform in actualy pvp, legiondaries also worked in duels when they didnt work in bgs/arena

and since then dueling is kinda dead

bfa brought the whole pvp scaling cringe

[sick sentinel]

i really enjoyed trying to kill opposing faction members at the summoning stones with TD

[crimson marsh]

Does prot have a lfg bias for being bad and undesirable

Hard getting invites in the 20 range

[dawn canyon]

Yes

It does

Unjustified however

[crimson marsh]

Yeah I know right why do people think it's so awful, the fact that nobody plays it?

[strong forum]

stigma of no self healing

[dawn canyon]

Dratnos type of people talk shit but dont know how it works

[strong forum]

low dps

weak defensives

[crimson marsh]

low dps does seem to be accurate

[strong forum]

its a bit lower but not low low

[hazy edge]

wym prot war is the second highest st tank

[strong forum]

and yeah in raid pwar is literally 2nd best

in keys im usually within shot of the bdk

only in big pad keys i fall behind

[dawn canyon]

Bad pwars do low damage

[strong forum]

like in our streets 23 we did earlier i did only a few hundred dps less than bdk and vdh

[blazing condor]

bad pwars do low _

[strong forum]

and i played really badly

SD21 for example

its not that bad

and i played it quite poorly aswell

[dawn canyon]

BDK 1 had gavel ye?

[strong forum]

ya

[crimson marsh]

I can't seem to do more than 7k

[strong forum]

wha

7k??

[dawn canyon]

Log

[hazy edge]

gavel did like 20% of his dam lol

[strong forum]

7k is low even for s2 standards

like

[crimson marsh]

idk what I could be doing wrong

[sick sentinel]

this is the meme key?

[dawn canyon]

It's wonderful isnt it
Man i envy Andy on his 285

[strong forum]

i only do meme keys these days

[hazy edge]

Same lol. Hopefully I get mine soon

[sick sentinel]

dunno why, but mage was callin mad shit on the RNG priest i invited for mind soothe

"doesn't do mechanics"

[strong forum]

streets 23 for example

[sick sentinel]

priest: "tank you can be my friend still"

[strong forum]

literally within shot

[dawn canyon]

Youll have yours soon

[toxic pewter]

whats better 272 tier chest or 262 haste vers crafted chest

[strong forum]

272

[dawn canyon]

Ilvl

[sick sentinel]

not lookin forward to it

[hazy edge]

You also went right side correct?

[strong forum]

ya

and we almost wiped on the first pull again

[hazy edge]

ye left is better for pwar. All 1-4 targets

[strong forum]

bombs hurt

[toxic pewter]

who here does not use crafted piece of armor at this point

[dawn canyon]

I swear you send the entire ui in every time to make me mad

[hazy edge]

Yeah those bombs hit hard

[dawn canyon]

If anything you use crafted jewellery

For haste + Socket

[toxic pewter]

is crafted neck better than 272 cabachon of infinite flight

[strong forum]

yes

unless socket

[toxic pewter]

I see

[strong forum]

the socket is what makes it better

[toxic pewter]

so if i socket cabachon it better

[strong forum]

ye

[toxic pewter]

Ok i will use crafted until 272 and socket then.

[crimson marsh]

The difference in DPS between pelagos and Mika is big right

In keys

[dawn canyon]

Ye

[strong forum]

Mika is alot more dps ye

[dawn canyon]

But u wanna be necro

[toxic pewter]

what about ring vs 272 dungeon rings

same thing?

[dawn canyon]

Id run neck + haste dungeon rings

[strong forum]

well if hes only doing 7k dps as kyrian, hes not gonna get more out of necro until he cleans up his play

and logs would help

[toxic pewter]

I guess my question is where is best place for crafted piece at this point

[strong forum]

in pointing out the mistakes

[toxic pewter]

i guess neck

[strong forum]

neck or ring

[toxic pewter]

Ok

[strong forum]

[toxic pewter]

what about crafted chest with better stats vs crafted neck

[strong forum]

we big haste boys

[dawn canyon]

but :log: "send ur logs"

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fQGPZTECYs

what rolls down stairs and over the nieghbours dog

[strong forum]

depends on your chest

[toxic pewter]

regular chest is tier (but i already have 4 pc)

[strong forum]

ya but its higher ilvl?

[toxic pewter]

ya 272 vs 262

10 ilvl on chest is big

[strong forum]

then dont use crafted chest.

[toxic pewter]

Ok right

agreed

[wanton ridge]

Oh shit forgot to enchant my weapon tyvm

[strong forum]

kek

[wanton ridge]

Its phial + AFE worth? I'm using soleah + codex

But i have all 4 272

[hazy edge]

codex is not good

so AFE/So'leah's/Phial. Pick 2

[wanton ridge]

Roger that

[median tulip]

Codex only really kicks in at high key levels for us; of those 3 I would take Phial and one of the Haste Trinkets, depending upon your preferred playstyle

Also if you can't get Haste for So'leah then use AFE for sure

[strong forum]

it doesnt kick in for us at all

[wanton ridge]

I wasnt Going with AFE cos you know, procs of pools

But im trusting u guys

[hazy edge]

AFE is good, Codex isn't. AFE even w/ 20% uptime is still a lot of haste.

Phial does a lot of dam, and Soleah's is a decen't amount of stats

[dawn canyon]

Codex isnt good for pwar

Since Blocks means we dont do much dam with it

I think nome said we were the worst tank to run it on

[strong forum]

we are

[dawn canyon]

Dont quote him or me on that nvm there he is

Hi

[wanton ridge]

Kek

[strong forum]

the only tanks where codex isnt absolute dog water are vdh, bdk (in very high keys) and monk

dunno bout pally

prolly also dogwater

[hazy edge]

Even in very high keys, codex is barely good for bdk.

[strong forum]

ye

[urban portal]

was this some new discovery on blood dk

because people were nutting over it

[strong forum]

4pc

is the new discovery

[urban portal]

oh i see

[hazy edge]

Nope, it's been that way all of 9.2

[urban portal]

cuz in S2 people hit up taz every week to try and get it

[hazy edge]

people just remember 9.1 when it was doing 15% of their damage

[toxic pewter]

how much is 1 point of str worth vs 1 point of haste

[dawn canyon]

More

Str good

[strong forum]

str is worth like 3-4

if not more

[wanton ridge]

I thought didnt need more haste cos im already at 31%

And afe was Going to give a lot more

[strong forum]

its 12% haste

thats pretty fucking good

[wanton ridge]

Ye but 12% or a trinket made for tanks

I used base logic lol

[strong forum]

"made for tanks"

[wanton ridge]

Exactly

[strong forum]

just because blizz said its a tank trinket

doesnt mean its a trinket anybody should run

lol

[toxic pewter]

what trinket gives 12% haste and how do i get it

[urban portal]

AFE

[wanton ridge]

I just came back from legion, every trinket on s4 feels like garbage

[urban portal]

jk

[urban portal]

yeah everything is kinda bad

[toxic pewter]

wats afe

[wanton ridge]

Looting a trinket back then was a mayor upgrade

Now its just eh

[dawn canyon]

Spires trinket

[toxic pewter]

ohh right I alwasy forgetr about that one

is it the best trinket

[urban portal]

no

its just pretty good

365 haste

[toxic pewter]

is scale still good

[urban portal]

comes out to be around 11/12%

scale is ok

[umbral yarrow]

which does more damage in m+ seismic reverb or thunderlords

[lofty widget]

seismic

[strong forum]

seismic by miles

[chrome falcon]

i honestly don't know if thunderlords is even a dps increase because you have to press more TCs if you want to actually use it to get DS back up

and pressing tc is a yikes

[strong forum]

its a dps increase over legendaries that dont increase dps

but a dps loss to actual legendaries

[median tulip]

The only reason Thunderlord exists is so Bliz could say with a straight face that they hadn't completely nerfed the BfA playstyle

[chrome falcon]

nah not really pretty sure they just had 0 ideas for prot legendaries and pulled a popular one back from legion

[strong forum]

^

blizz literally asked what we would like for legendaries

and this one was requested

but they nerfed it in beta

capped how much CDR you get from it per clap and how much CDR youd get per target

used to be 3sec per target, uncapped

then they killed it 🙂

[median tulip]

if they reverted that, and made the CDR work with Outburst procs, then it might actually be worth using

also that might make it so it was worth spending outburst procs on TClap

[strong forum]

youd still lose reprisal

[median tulip]

True. I just wish they could vaugely balance things so we had more than one viable build per expansion

[strong forum]

thats never gonna be the case

something will always be best

youll at best get niche uses

[median tulip]

Other classes have 2 or more competitive option

[strong forum]

say there was a scenario where you didnt need reprisal but could make use of Unbreakable Will as group wide CD

[strong forum]

monk has literally 0

its kegsmash or uninstall

BDK has 0

[median tulip]

I don't play any other tanks TBH

[strong forum]

its CRW or uninstall

guardian is 98% UFR

[median tulip]

The only alt I play with any frequency now is my Enhancement Shaman, which is really enjoyable and has more than 1 legendary buiild that is viable

[strong forum]

VDH is even hard locked into covenant

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dfj8lOKrPuQ fuck ya

[strong forum]

ya looks neat

[sick sentinel]

look at all them changes for WA

i can put my beloved lamp oil, rope, bombs and rubies in and a morshu

[urban portal]

youd lose reprisal but youll get so much demo shout CDR, meaning you'll also get booming voice procs, more rage, etc etc

but none of those matters if the baseline Tclap is way too weak

[median tulip]

Well that is a fact

[urban portal]

if i was designing that leggo i wouldve probably capped it at 5 with 2 per target

10 seconds off shout every cast

[median tulip]

TClap way back when was a serious debuff as well

Originally it slowed enemies melee attack speed

[chrome falcon]

i mean i just don't think that getting more DS casts is even a good payoff

shit is on the GCD

and pressing TC is physically painful

[median tulip]

Then in Mists is was a 10% damage done debuff

There's a bunch of stuff I wish we still had. Shield Slam was a purge, once upon a time

[sick sentinel]

wc3 it was deal 150 dmg + move speed reduce 50% + attack speed reduce 50%

[strong forum]

Sure, but you'll suffer SB uptime

[wanton ridge]

50secs shield block cd

[urban portal]

i mean if you have like 75% uptime on demo shout

[wanton ridge]

[urban portal]

dont need to block unless during shout downtimes

and youll even have 100% uptime on shout because of unstoppable force

again thats assuming a lot of things

and we can dream

[sick sentinel]

mass teleports army of gryphon riders and archmage+blood mage into your base

[chilly brook]

Ehhh not really equivalent

Block is literally at least double the DR of shout

[safe thistle]

why you wouldnt want to block with shout together anyway ?

[mortal brook]

sleeper for raid 👍

[hazy edge]

Before the tier set change there was like 4 you could run

[urban portal]

yeah monk had 3 and bdk has 3/4

tier set by definition would restrict the choices

since you need something that multiplies off of each other

[sick sentinel]

besides generic universal covenant stuff is there any specs that can buff melee heavy comps monk i know for sure

[urban portal]

Monk has the worst buff in the game

FYI

Rogues do a lot of shadow dam, frost is frost dam, enh is elemental dam

[urban portal]

Are people no longer playing the single target drought

[chilly brook]

I think sleeper is big dam or something because more incarns

[urban portal]

Ye makes sense

I rly like the design of the st drought

[mortal brook]

runnin incarn so no more gg so draught and catweave much less impactful

[urban portal]

Does gg just always sim worse now

[dire stratus]

in row 45, is unstoppable force any worth against rav in fort weeks ?

[jagged pier]

No

[ebon geyser]

did wowup die or something , cant ind some addons there

[mortal brook]

its hecked yep

[ebon geyser]

what we use now for addons , wagio one dont work either

[mortal brook]

curseforge standalone

[median tulip]

Don't install the curseforge one; it's untrustworthy

[ebon geyser]

sad day

dang

so i have to install them old school

and OW is bad or was idk

[ebon geyser]

that bad hmm

[mortal brook]

citation needed

[dreamy wedge]

So if I wanted to just meme and do as much damage as possible in M+, I'd build Seismic, talent Anger Management and just abuse the Revenge key right?

[toxic pewter]

I have a question regarding banner: so say my banner becomes off cooldown but i still have a banner running, it makes sense to hold the new banner until the other banner expires, right? Seems like a dumb question as I type it but just want to make sure.

[waxen orbit]

Yeah but AM anyways

[trim bay]

Yea. It will reset what ever your remaining up time is to the new duration

So better to wait till it drops then re set

[waxen orbit]

Depends on where you are in the key and if you'll have it up next pack or not due to the time delay/combat drop. It can also help your group if they got CDs to just repop banner anyways if you know you can keep it rolling just to toss them that additional little buff

It's obviously something primarily for yourself, but if it aligns with the rest of the group, it's not a bad idea

[toxic pewter]

Ya the group buff is a real thing which is partly why i asked as well

[waxen orbit]

If it isn't to your own detriment/banner uptime then yeah do it

[toxic pewter]

Ok

best judgment situation

[waxen orbit]

Exactly

Really only something you can gage in the specific situation

[toxic pewter]

Yep

[toxic pewter]

Are people running seismic reverberation legendary?

seems like the dmg would be legit but losing reprisal does seem big

[waxen orbit]

In an easy key it's fine

[toxic pewter]

seems like fun to run it

[toxic pewter]

u guys run bounding stride

[urban portal]

Yes

[minor lion]

hey, where to craft unity on, if I also play fury?

[onyx matrix]

@minor lion ring, neck, its your choice

[minor lion]

Thank you - but my question didn't make sense anyway bc Fury needs Haste and mastery and Prot Haste and Vers.

So I just craft it twice 😛

Other question, for a twink Prot with not that much tanking xp, I'm playing Kyrian with Mykanikos

And just Mythic+ - right decision? Or would you recommend something else?

[jagged pier]

Necro

[sonic saddle]

is 36% haste an overkill?

[pallid quiver]

From what I've seen from recommendations while lurking, you're aiming for 40% haste before buffs

so technically not even standard kill, let alone overkill

[jagged pier]

nope u want 4% more

[pallid quiver]

Also, I did my first Mythic+ runs as Necro Prot since coming back to the game, and have some logs that, if someone has time, I'd appreciate if someone could look over. Specifically, I'm looking for how well I did on banner management and if there's more that I could do to help upkeep it. I feel like some of my openers may have been weak, which may have put me on a bad foot to start with, but I just don't have as much context that I'd like. The first link is the very first dungeon I did and the second was one I did immediately after; both were in Mists, though different key levels.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gqaLwhb9ADWvP7NJ/#fight=last

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/FPCYqcrJ9dxt4QH7/#fight=last

For things I've already instantly noted:

• Wasting too much rage from SS casts; need to watch those procs and rage amount better
• Aware my defensive CD use is relatively poor; mental stack on banner management has put that on the back burner. I'm not concerned about dying at the moment, so I'm fine with this until banner's more natural
• Intervene could be used better/more often; using it this often feels weird compared to saving for movement

I'm concerned I might be using too many Revenge casts, since I did clip some SS procs by hitting Revenge and not reacting in time to my WAs for SS refreshes

If anyone looks over these, it'd be greatly appreciated. Sorry for any trouble

[lime urchin]

I think you are playing okay, especially with the things you notice yourselve. You could do way more damage by not wasting almost 1200 rage in your mists 12 run. Your casts per minute at 60 are okayish, but with practice that could go up higher too. You uptime on shieldblock is also 76%, but by more practice you could bump that up even higher to maybe 85%. And by getting higher CPM, better rage management your Banner uptime will improve a lot too.

I think it comes down to playing more and abusing your wrists to press more buttons!

and try to make some frens in m+ along the way!

[trim bay]

is using an endurance conduit over a potency conduit in the last necro cov tree bad? for marileth is condensed anima sphere viable over safe guard or inspiring presence?

or is viscous trail bad compared to undulating maneuvers

[stuck kite]

Anyone Know how to make the interven go automatic to thé focus target?

With macro

So no news to target manuelle

Manually

[cinder pasture]

/cast [@focus] Intervene

[pallid quiver]

Can also add [@focus,help,nodead] to it as well

[sick sentinel]

should I be shield walling basically on CD for M+ (assuming i'd get full value out of it)? im a fkn idiot only just realised anger management reduces its CD

[jagged pier]

ye pretty much

[sick sentinel]

i've always been using it before killing an uhr as to get the CD reducation of UHR

and obviously using it for hard hitting boss mechanics

[pallid quiver]

You want to be using it as much as possible without either:
A. Not having it available for a specific major pull
B. Wasting major uptime

[sick sentinel]

ah ok - i'll basically just treat it like a major DPS CD? as in if theres a massive pull coming up in the next 30-45 seconds its probably best to hold it but if not just rip on CD

[pallid quiver]

The technical goal is to have your casts mitigate as much damage as possible, which on an evenly paced run is generally on CD if we assume constant chain pulling for banner

If that pull would cause you to take less damage overall if you saved it, then yes, which is relatively rare since it's close to a 2min cd at worst with AM, Banner, and the like

Also notable in that other members may have externals to push you through the larger pull as well

Depends on how coordinated you all are and whether other members are using those. If another member can cover the large pull with one of their CDs, slam it out for more usage

tl;dr If you don't have a plan and are in combat, slap that on CD

[stuck kite]

What does it add?

[pallid quiver]

Makes it so it won't try and use it if your focus is dead or not an ally

The help modifier makes it only attempt to use on ally units, nodead checks to make sure it no dead

[pallid quiver]

Also, thanks for the double check on the logs

[sick sentinel]

i'd say this minus banner

cuz everything else gets CDR'd double, not banner

[craggy pilot]

if i kick someone from M+ before last boss

and they get ported out, but we still complete the dung 4 man

will they still get loot and vault completion for it?

[blazing condor]

Pretty sure they do

iirc

[marsh plover]

Afaik, Yes. It's to stop people from griefing.

[strong forum]

Yes they do

[craggy pilot]

had a healer just badmouth the entire dung

kinda wanted to kick his stupid ass and do the last boss without him

[strong forum]

Jakey had a dps on an alt key insist that he's tanking wrong because he's supposed to "stack sanguine pools ontop of each other"

And just wouldn't back down the argument

People are so full of themselves it's actually insane

[jagged pier]

yer that was fun

and when i did what he told me to do

and the mobs healed

he said i was 'doing it wrong'

tbf tho pink shield boi kinda fun

[cinder pasture]

Traitor

[jagged pier]

🤔

[mortal brook]

Yeah stop enjoying things!

[jagged pier]

okay

[cerulean tusk]

I am curious what would be the right way to do the pools. Maybe he knows something important.

[minor lion]

So Necro is the new way to go - with 4pc tier set and 2 legos? in Mythic+ and in raids as well?

[jagged pier]

necro is the only way

[minor lion]

Because the guides doesn't state that that clearly

wowhead and icyveins...

both telling that you can fuck up necro a lot 😛

[jagged pier]

u can

but its still better to get used to it and play it correctly

like the pros of necro far to good

perma 22% strength

perma BoM kinda

[minor lion]

perma? how does that work? I think i didn't fully understand the ability yet

[jagged pier]

well u can keep banner up pretty much 100% of the time

and as a conduit gives u 22% strength when banner is up

that 22% extra strength

[minor lion]

Okay, then I'm going to try that soon

Thanks for your advice

[sick sentinel]

almost done with this crap

[cerulean tusk]

I just ignored that. It gives anything a protwar would want?

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-14359850

[grizzled nova]

Just a cosmetics thing, if you want zm pets/mounts.

[cerulean tusk]

Oh nvm that then

[mellow bridge]

one of them unlocks a third WQ for faster rep grind

but besides that, it's all useless

[sick sentinel]

i'd like to see where on screen you guys place SpellReflect WA, its center screen for me with audio from dbm/lw wait for it to say "defensive"

[dawn canyon]

Center but above char

[sick sentinel]

mine goes here

[dawn canyon]

Higher

You never wanna obscure Vision of ur guy

[chrome falcon]

what spell reflect wa

[latent hull]

Following previous feedback here (thank you) I have pretty consistently increased my cpm active to 55-60 … was 40-45 and the wrong buttons … so improving. How are you all getting over 70? More practice…yes…but is there a trick…I still find there are moments when rage isn’t available and both SS and TC aren’t available… I want to press something

[chrome falcon]

you've definitely done something wrong if you can't TC, or SS, or revenge

[toxic pewter]

does mechanical keyboard help with prot warrior

[sick sentinel]

yes yes yes, potion bad, but i didn't know cosmic healings existed, thought was just spiritual/soulful, so i have cosmics in bank now

didn't know those were a thing until i looked at routes site and it suggests em

[strong forum]

you gotta do everything at all times

meaning

you cant just go "okay i only use intervene/charge weave when im empty on rage"

same with Last Stand and trying to use TC/SS on CD

you gotta use them all the time to keep rolling

even if youre at a high rage you should aim to use SS and TC before "trying" to empty your rage with revenges

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Pg9xdrqMV3QYnzXm#fight=last&type=casts&source=84

this is my SD 21 for example with 73cpm

[sick sentinel]

anybody have a link to a 1st pull wo route for gamb?

[latent hull]

Thanks!

[sick sentinel]

gunna attempt to do a 17 gb and i think that just doing wo would be alot easier, don't see any stealth detectors in MDT

[strong forum]

now, i couldve played it alot better, but its not half bad (however its a meme key || dont focus on that part || )

[latent hull]

I ran a 19 SD yesterday so that will be a helpful compare

[sick sentinel]

+17 gambit fort sanguine grevious with a bunch of murlocs that heal and no relic for about 6 pulls

i don't have high hopes for this

[strong forum]

i may have done gambit 22 but oh my lord i have no clue what we pulled

[lofty widget]

looks fine, the big giant next to the second pink pull patrols quite close so you might wanna add him too

[strong forum]

we did this

but uh

i dont think thats good for pugs

[sick sentinel]

rogue distract to keep from pulling giants and wo/shroud later i guess?

[strong forum]

ya us use the last set of relics to skip to boss

[undone verge]

I usually do 2 packs plus pat with giant for first pull with hero

[sick sentinel]

i know that it is, or used to be, that you could stop a mob, or group of patrol, or even a singular mob out of a patrol

[undone verge]

Then 2 murloc packs

Then 2 with giant then 2 then one with wo skip

[sick sentinel]

so, you could distract to walk behind, and you could distract to seperate elite from rest of pack, they nerfed it so it only stops group now

yeah, cuz i had to do that turn em around sap, then we could all make it past X pack

[sacred timber]

10k dmg surv hunter with 16/22 deaths....

in a +20

[strong forum]

rip

[sacred timber]

"You are losing aggro" WE HAVE 2 MDS

HOW ARE YOU PULLING AGGRO

IF WE HAVE 2 MDS

PLEASE EXPLAIN

[sick sentinel]

if i press md then i'm not doing dps

[strong forum]

cuz hes not pressing it 🙂

[sick sentinel]

nonono, he loses dps, so its not worth it to him

thats another gcd he wastes

[sacred timber]

Fucking stupid ass dps

holy fuck

[urban portal]

not a gcd

[sacred timber]

we hit gauntlet with 14 min

[urban portal]

i macro MD to bomb

its so good

[strong forum]

Snomks i can recommend just doing 5 tank keys

much simpler

and easier

nobody complaining about aggro, nobody dying to random shit

[sacred timber]

Im honestly gonna just delete my warrior

[strong forum]

seems like an overraction 🤔

[sick sentinel]

what key?

[sacred timber]

it is my highest io toon and I cant play it cause people complain and my wrist

+20 SD

[sick sentinel]

he got overwhelms at final boss gauntlet he claims

[sacred timber]

no

our hunter

died

11 times

in gauntlet

11

[sick sentinel]

how 11 times

[sacred timber]

?!?!?!?!!

IDIOT TRIES TO RUN BACK

AND DOESNT FD

after 4 fucking BREZ

[sick sentinel]

4 tanks 1 dps probably enhance shaman with shitty off heals

WF + lust

[strong forum]

too much hassl

[strong forum]

dps can die

tank cant

[sacred timber]

I just wanna time a fucking SD

[sick sentinel]

im confused how this dude died 4 times and got brez though

and then died 11 times total 1 section

[sacred timber]

exaggeration

still this idiot was over 75% of our teams deaths

[sick sentinel]

for me its if he dies he dies meme

[toxic pewter]

I started running my own keys and I feel like I’m having better success

[sick sentinel]

i try to say "you can counter by doing this" and i TRY to get the shit out of the group off people but if i got shit circle on me and dps is intent on stacking with me no good reason he dies

take a horse to water cant make it drink

[sacred timber]

issue is I dropped mine to help a friend

[toxic pewter]

No good deed goes unpunished

😂

[sacred timber]

Imagine weekly best being a +21 and having a +16

[lament musk]

it's only game, chill

[sacred timber]

😭

[sick sentinel]

It's only a game until it's not.

[sacred timber]

still highest io tank in guild, but I am missing 200 io off the top

cause 75% of my guild runs keys at 3 am which I cant

[echo egret]

I need to get better at
-not wasting rage by using skills that generate too much at the wrong moment
-using more revenge
-using more shield blocks
-using outburst on SS not TC
Should I just create a crapton of weakaras and a big rage bar ?

[strong forum]

im just using the most recent pin

works pretty well for me

[echo egret]

That's for outburst, but for not ragecapping ?

[strong forum]

its purely for outburst yes

[scenic mural]

Rage bar is for ragecappi g

[crude notch]

Why you haffa be mad this is only a game

[pallid quiver]

Mad make big number

[cinder storm]

Gambit 23, ask rogue to shroud entrance to first boss, proceeds to die, asks what happened, we all invis afterwards, he dies 3 more times trying to invis it. Rogue says - I've done this before, dunno what happened

It's hard to find good people pugging, I feel the more it takes me to break into 25s the worse the dps I find on 23s-24s are

[grave crane]

Do you guys do a big first pull on spires? It seems to me that unless I’m in voice with guildies it’s rough cause no one kicks

[cinder storm]

Yes, but healers hate it because the only kick people seem to think exists is the goliaths

So I stun, fear, tell people I get first Goliath and who gets second

[distant crystal]

it's really good with a shaman in group

[cinder storm]

One to backup and another to kick something else

[distant crystal]

to solo goliath so everyone else can kick lash and the dot thing

but also rotate stuns/stops

[grave crane]

Yeah I don’t know if I’ll do any big pulls like that unless I know the people cause very few stuns or kicks have been getting used

[strong forum]

Yolo

That first part is close to release spot

Unless you wipe/rack up deaths there its worth the time

If you do that section in 3+ pulls its an easy 1min timeloss

On fort you pull 2 packs + goliath and Lust

If the dps aren't entirely monkeys it should be over pretty quickly

[cinder storm]

Alternatively you could cc left or right add from first pack and have one less cast potentially going off until everything is controlled

[cinder storm]

They are 85% of the time

[strong forum]

Pretty optimistic there!

[cinder storm]

"maybe this time they will prove me wrong!" Me everytime

[lime urchin]

Make frens from nice pugs to bother less with not so nice pugs. Worked like a charm for me!

[robust rover]

Do you mean past the 2x2 pack of guards? If so, I’ve had shroud fail and I don’t know why in that spot. Wo and Invis pots never for some reason.

[cinder storm]

It's a tight spot for rogue, so we have to move exactly in the middle with a distract, but somehow rogue kept pulling while invis

[strong forum]

Hate rogues

Hate shroud

[robust rover]

Ah. That makes sense.

[strong forum]

Simple as

[sick sentinel]

i like rogue quite alot

only job is to go in and kill something and then probably die, rogues are very good at deleting caster trash in m+

[waxen orbit]

You see, protection warrior is a phenomenal spec. The most phenomenal spec, even; I would go as far to wager the greatest spec in the history of gaming, potentially ever. When most attempt to play protection warrior, the intricate complexities of its rotation simply weave their way around the common man’s mind before they could even hope to comprehend the true art that is playing prot. It’s only fitting that prot warrior be slandered as shit in the meta as punishment for humiliating the intellect of the masses.

[urban portal]

That’s fresh

[strong forum]

You see, protection warrior is a phenomenal spec. The most phenomenal spec, even; I would go as far to wager the greatest spec in the history of gaming, potentially ever. When most attempt to play protection warrior, the intricate complexities of its rotation simply weave their way around the common man’s mind before they could even hope to comprehend the true art that is playing prot. It’s only fitting that prot warrior be slandered as shit in the meta as punishment for humiliating the intellect of the masses.

[sick sentinel]

i'd have to have a very high iq to understand the naunces of this joke

[blazing condor]

idk this version of mage tower is ez 4 me

[brittle owl]

You see, protection warrior is a phenomenal spec. The most phenomenal spec, even; I would go as far to wager the greatest spec in the history of gaming, potentially ever. When most attempt to play protection warrior, the intricate complexities of its rotation simply weave their way around the common man’s mind before they could even hope to comprehend the true art that is playing prot. It’s only fitting that prot warrior be slandered as shit in the meta as punishment for humiliating the intellect of the masses.

[sick sentinel]

U NEED MORE VERSA declined

[sick sentinel]

You see, protection warrior is a phenomenal spec. The most phenomenal spec, even; I would go as far to wager the greatest spec in the history of gaming, potentially ever. When most attempt to play protection warrior, the intricate complexities of its rotation simply weave their way around the common man’s mind before they could even hope to comprehend the true art that is playing prot. It’s only fitting that prot warrior be slandered as shit in the meta as punishment for humiliating the intellect of the masses.

[waxen orbit]

@strong forum Yo when we getting a starboard/copypasta channel?

[sick sentinel]

23 seconds away

[cinder storm]

Good stuff

[sick sentinel]

got impatient waiting for the pack that goes in a half circle in front of final boss pulled it too early, and casters were too close to make pulling them easy went to left early instead or right coulda urh'd

[cinder storm]

I think it's a bit of preference, right elite I think is the one that spawns the star faster, so you could get urh, and before urh dies pull one elite, once the CDR is up it's a bit meme/safe

Just pull there whatever makes you feel confortable, on non fort weeks you can bring one elite to the three adds on the left for example

Make things spicier 👍

[sick sentinel]

pretty much most things went right for 80% of the dungeon, 2nd giant close to the door we got the patrol of little guys and that made things more hectic than it needed to be

[cinder storm]

On the left side, after that encrypted pack, you can walk over the water not too far from the shore and engage that pack from behind

It makes it easier if you leap into the pack with SW, both fish sticks will be cast at the same time that way

[lime urchin]

a new pasta!

lemme be part of it!

You see, protection warrior is a phenomenal spec. The most phenomenal spec, even; I would go as far to wager the greatest spec in the history of gaming, potentially ever. When most attempt to play protection warrior, the intricate complexities of its rotation simply weave their way around the common man’s mind before they could even hope to comprehend the true art that is playing prot. It’s only fitting that prot warrior be slandered as shit in the meta as punishment for humiliating the intellect of the masses.

[dark lark]

You see, protection warrior is a phenomenal spec. The most phenomenal spec, even; I would go as far to wager the greatest spec in the history of gaming, potentially ever. When most attempt to play protection warrior, the intricate complexities of its rotation simply weave their way around the common man’s mind before they could even hope to comprehend the true art that is playing prot. It’s only fitting that prot warrior be slandered as shit in the meta as punishment for humiliating the intellect of the masses.

[cerulean tusk]

You see, protection warrior is a phenomenal spec. The most phenomenal spec, even; I would go as far to wager the greatest spec in the history of gaming, potentially ever. When most attempt to play protection warrior, the intricate complexities of its rotation simply weave their way around the common man’s mind before they could even hope to comprehend the true art that is playing prot. It’s only fitting that prot warrior be slandered as shit in the meta as punishment for humiliating the intellect of the masses.

[sick sentinel]

You see, protection warrior is a phenomenal spec. The most phenomenal spec, even; I would go as far to wager the greatest spec in the history of gaming, potentially ever. When most .

[graceful rose]

does prot warrior ever use Whirlwind?

[strong forum]

No

[graceful rose]

thanks

[lilac patrol]

as tank, better OWS 246 or AFE 272 ?

[sturdy sable]

Ows

[strong forum]

Id sim it

Probably afe tho cuz Str

[lilac patrol]

understood, ty for the reply :D

[sick sentinel]

oh, i got 2 conduits from the 17 gb

[wanton ridge]

Thats cos protection warrior is a phenomenal spec

[sick sentinel]

There was a secret at the end of the run but there was 5 rolls and someone got a 91

[wanton ridge]

I got those 2 cond on a 16, did a 15 right after and got them again

[sick sentinel]

i could fail my way through 16 top and whatever that turns in to for 2 278, i duno about 3 of them

[wanton ridge]

I just play m+ for the "fun" if u can call it that

So w/e u want, if u really need a 278 niche ítem, go for it

[odd tree]

ToP is such a free key for us

[dawn canyon]

16 top you can time

[median tulip]

ToP is a free key. I can tank ToP=15 in my sleep

[ocean yoke]

i keep trying to hit spell reflect when doing top on alts. its like theres extra mechanics

[pallid quiver]

Just make your alts more warriors

[ocean yoke]

oh fuck thats big brain

[sick sentinel]

not a clue what happened, but guildy shared screenshot of angry portguese message from a 20 key that translates to
"will learn play your trash look at the fucking mine map I buy only the demon from the motherfucking game of your buddy I kill myself in a safe agro on a 20, sends you to make 10 useless tired garbage"

[sacred timber]

intervene just murdered me in SD

why is there just an open ledge

so annoying

also, can I please have a dungeon where all dps are doing at least 1k over tank

like why is that so hard

+20s with 274 4pc, 2x 291 lego doing 11k dps.....

[toxic pewter]

Anyone know much damage reduction high mountain Tauren racial does during a dungeon for example

[dawn canyon]

was it all ferals?

[sacred timber]

was a surv hunter

[dawn canyon]

afk then

idk

[sacred timber]

literally

left

[dawn canyon]

just press bomb and carve

[sacred timber]

we also had a brez and they didn't

I 100% regret dropping my key for my friend

[sick sentinel]

top free

this week seems like very extremely free if you just dont do the stupids

[distant crystal]

yogi on the comeup

[median tulip]

The only real problem in ToP this week is if you manage to leave a bowman standing in Sanguine

[sick sentinel]

the DK did MC on something and then we died, so he lost the pet and had to get the 2 guys to left of soul storm aoe wiper guy (we wiped to him, 90% wipe on fort it seems)

[distant crystal]

we did a theatre this week where the dk tank died and lost his add

but he managed to grab him again as it was running back to the spawn lol

[median tulip]

You should be using SR on the soulstorm mobs

[sick sentinel]

there was a ton of shit that went wrong in my key but it was a hard carry

[median tulip]

hell use Shield Wall; the timing should work to have it for both

[sick sentinel]

SW + AM best forever

[sick sentinel]

the group wipes whenever it goes off in fort is what i seem to notice is a common theme

[median tulip]

Everyone should be using personal defensive CDs on it

But a lot of DPS won't

[sick sentinel]

typical pug key, no kicks, tons of bodies

[worthy flicker]

Codex of the first technique is terrible for prot warrior

Right?

[mighty valley]

Good defensively for very high keys

[worthy flicker]

Like 25+ right

I have a friend disagreeing

[mighty valley]

It does basically no damage and the defenses aren't worth much in normal keys

But it's very good if you're pushing

[urban portal]

Around 30

Probably 30

The hps on it is kinda low

[median tulip]

I'm using So'leah's and Phial

Mostly because of the Strength TBQH

[toxic pewter]

I kinda want a soleah

how much haste does it give u

[vapid lynx]

gives me 111 at 272

[median tulip]

Anyone know what +crit the eye of command will be giving in Season 4 M+?

(from Kara)

[urban portal]

I don’t think anyone knows

Need to wait for tuning

[distant crystal]

trinket1=eye_of_command,id=142167,bonus_id=1826/1472,ilevel=304

slap that in your topgear and see :p

I think 298 ilevel will be max valor upgraded, 304 would be greatvault

[urban portal]

That could work but the scaling would get iffy

Fairly sure a bunch of legion trinkets got scaling changed

[distant crystal]

yeah tuning may happen, as-is though it's 210 crit for the GV version and 200 for the valor upgraded/maxed

when stacked up

[sick sentinel]

does the merchant event from street cause sanguine?

[dawn canyon]

hasnt in my keys

be weary of the mail room guys

bit annoying with all the puddles due to the uneven HP

[fickle arrow]

Why are top ranked warriors running Quick Oxxein Neck?

[sick sentinel]

have to assume by that logic that the preboss music trash also doesn't

[dawn canyon]

huge haste neck with socket

its pretty much bis till you have another large haste neck with a socket

[fickle arrow]

Interesting. So super min max. Will hardly notice the difference if I have haste/Vers neck

[dawn canyon]

More haste more good

And it's the biggest haste boost you can get

[fickle arrow]

Sure but doesn’t it have diminished returns at a certain %?

[dawn canyon]

Yes it does however pwar goes up to the high 30s sometimes 40s

[toxic pewter]

Is so Leah trinket better than scale

[dawn canyon]

It's just the best secondary stat by a longshot

[fickle arrow]

Hmm difference of 29 haste doesn’t seem worth it… but I realize I’m scrub

[sick sentinel]

it dropped in a 17 and 5 people rolled, put it that way

pretty much a boe epic drop in classic

[dawn canyon]

Soleahs is good stat stick trinket

[sick sentinel]

where is the gotcha with soleah, has to be one someone else stacking haste or crit/versa

[urban portal]

Nothing

It’s just a solid trinket

[sick sentinel]

and I think there something about the player has to be within 30 yards for it to work

if I got it id use it but since I don't i don't care, I like the scale, good alternative to tc on pull without using outburst

[dawn canyon]

It's my best dungeon trinket as fury and that bitch wont drop

[sick sentinel]

hits a few mobs and bubble, I like ii

[dawn canyon]

[sick sentinel]

I had a opc drop for me out of 0 but I'm not putting mints into thqt

[dawn canyon]

Hold on to it tho

For the oddball fury key

[sick sentinel]

I traded it to some warrior in the group, was a farm for scale or maybe iqd

[median tulip]

There's usually someone stacking Haste, TBF

[toxic pewter]

cant wait for shadowlands dungeons to end. Worst expansion dungeons since wow created. Truly awful.

[median tulip]

Not sure you can honestly say that when Grimrail Depot exists

[toxic pewter]

wod dungeons owned hard

shadowlands zones and dungeons will be forgotten to history and I cannot wait

truly awful expansion

[sacred timber]

2929 monk and 3010 resto shaman in lfg and leader picks the monk

monk literally didnt even out heal me

[deep steppe]

Finally got there bois

[sacred timber]

I just want one good group this week

just one...

[urban portal]

people said grimveil depot on something like quaking week will be awful

[toxic pewter]

can test it on ptr right now

I also cant wait for oribos to be forgotten to time as well. Worst city hub in all of wow history as well.

Dragonflight cannot come soon enough

[median tulip]

Sanguine will be even worse

[sacred timber]

bold of you to assume the next expansion will be good

[toxic pewter]

it will be

no more god forsaken de other side with the 50 minute walking sessions. the awful oribos non mounting circle of insanity. the awful zones that have zero connection and feels mroe dead than shadowlands itself.

the awful plot

awful state of systems

[sacred timber]

I miss world pvp zones

as much as people say ashran sucked

it was soooooooooooooooo fun

that you could just walk into an everlasting epic battle

[toxic pewter]

zereth mortis, which has been decent and best zone of shadowlands, had so much potential for world pvp yet they dropped the ball

no air drops

no bounties

no world pvp quests

nothing other than some shotty quest

[sacred timber]

it is like there is no reason to be in zerith

[toxic pewter]

imagine if it had a vibrant world pvp scene

it would own

like right now its decent sometimes, pvp over rares and creation catalyst

but imagine if you had a reason to world pvp again

dragonflight they mentioned its going to be emphasized again im hopeful

[median tulip]

I got Revered and never bothered with the place

[sweet summit]

infinite rune

mounts/achievements/pets

tmog

idk

[cinder storm]

There's an infinite rune in ZM?!

I thought they stopped that after bfa

[sweet summit]

yes

50k gold @ exalted rep, like usual

[toxic pewter]

how much crit vs vers do you guys have

[urban portal]

what ever my highest ilvl gear gives me

and sometimes thats 800 mastery 0 crit

[regal hamlet]

What is the best dmg cov?'

[mighty valley]

once you've got 4pc necro is just best for everythying

also i don't get the shadowlands dungeon hate, i was hyped for legion m+ and then i was like oh yeah, this kinda sucked at the time too

so many barely readable spell effects

enormous amounts of trash in corners of the dungeon there was no reason to go to

also don't get why people liked freehold so much

spend the first chunk of the dungeon being shit on by a bird

good stuff

[blazing condor]

Yes

[mighty valley]

that's what you're into?

cool

i don't judge

[hearty terrace]

Hey guys im just started playing Warrior been playing BDK all patch any advice/vids/guys I can/should watch ?

[blazing condor]

check the pins here to begin with and read up on stuff

look at the guide

ask questions here

and logs help

[hearty terrace]

Sweeet getting felling is Warrior better then what “everyone” is saying ?

[blazing condor]

public opinion is that we suck but in reality we're actually pretty great

but most people don't know how to play it properly cus it's not as straight-forward as other specs

meaning most pwarrs you encounter are just bad

[rough egret]

Needs a proper execution ofc

[blazing condor]

but - if you play it well then you're great

[hearty terrace]

WhAt do you mean don’t play right? Why is it not straight forward

[dense cradle]

on one hand you have

prot warrior

on the other

you have guardian druid

[blazing condor]

take druid for example - go incarn and press thrash and youre doing pretty much what you need to do to pass as a tank

also ironfur

[dense cradle]

I specced my druid guardian for mt

and was running circles for like an hour

[blazing condor]

way more layers on pwarr that you need to do correctly

[dense cradle]

convinced there was more to the spec

to realize

there isnt shit

[hearty terrace]

What like? Examples

[blazing condor]

when it boils down to it pwarr is just "keep your shield block up and generate as much rage as possible" - but actually doing it properly takes a lot of knowledge

[hearty terrace]

I’ll have a play around thanks

[dense cradle]

I think guardian druid is prob the worst example

because you literally exist as bear

and are a "tank"

[blazing condor]

i mean if youve played a lot of bdk its probably not gonna be incredibly different or complex

but chances are you are gonna have to play a lot and learn a lot to feel like youre not squishy

[dense cradle]

After that experience i just lost any respect I had

for guardian players

tbh

should be fine if you come from bdk and were decent at it

[hearty terrace]

Yesh mained BDK since 9.0

[blazing condor]

but yeah tldr: if you're good its great and if you're shit its very shit