yeah it sounds like you know what to do but you probably dont do it well enough in keys
#protection
blazing condor
languid carbon
Okay, I'll try to figure out how to log a key.
strong forum
Ya that would be the best way to quickly figure out what's going on
blazing condor
post the thing
languid carbon
There are deffo some skill issues there.
jagged pier
Okay, I'll try to figure out how to log a key.
How do i log ?
So, if you have been here for a while, you may have noticed that whenever somebody ask for advice we ask them for a log, and if you’re new you might have no idea what that means or how to get one so :
🔸 First, download Loggerhead (https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/loggerhead) or ERT (https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/exorsus-raid-tools)
Once you have one of these any time you enter a zone where you might want a log (ie dungeon/raid/torghast) these addons will automatically start logging (in the case of ERT you have to activate automated logging in the options).
Alternatively if you don’t want to install an addon for it, whenever you are going to do an activity you want to log type /combatlog in chat to start logging said activity.
Remember to activate advanced logging in the options (System -> Network -> Advanced Combat Logging)
All these options will store your logs in your wow file inside the retail folder and the log file.
🔸 Second, go here (https://www.warcraftlogs.com/client/download) download the client. Select the live section of the client, select the upload a log button and select the fight you’re interested in putting up as a log and boom you’re done.
🔸 Third, once you’ve done all this, your log is uploaded you can put it up here and we can look at it together to see if you’re doing something wrong.
If you wish look at your own log Jakey made a nice little video explaining what we look at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1tRp8lULT8
languid carbon
Okies, thx!
blazing condor
i got ERT that activates logging but i just log through WCL client
the live loggin thing
uncut notch
Coming off the back of this - I have 32%, time to diversify or just keep stacking?
jagged pier
40% unbuffed
uncut notch
Sick, ty
strong forum
empty path
sack ❤️
craggy pilot
it does
blazing condor
o
craggy pilot
+7 str +1 haste
this is unbuffed
for some reason i took buffs off once upon a time 😄
blazing condor
strong forum
Ya but that's in a perfect scenario
In m+ the legs are better
And longterm aswell
cold zealot
sigil or another socket?
Does sigil have any real uses in raid?
blazing condor
big on execute phases
cold zealot
so its basically just an dps cheese trinket?
jagged pier
i mean as far as long are concerned sack and phial are doing more damage 🤷
like if u look at top logs
blazing condor
5 min cd for kinda lacking defensives in forms of vers so no not really worth it
jagged pier
or last time i checked anyway
cold zealot
yeah, i saw some using sigil last week but majority ist sack and phial or ows for mixed value
i guess socket will have more value overall then
better not show my vault to our boomies and hunters^^
cold zealot
just for execute dams?
craggy pilot
And longterm aswell
just thinking the chance of getting Sack next week is smaller than getting another legs 🤔
jagged pier
just for execute dams?
For memes yer
strong forum
just thinking the chance of getting Sack next week is smaller than getting anoth...
You're 10x more likely to get any kind of 278 legs than getting another 278 sack
So in regards to that sack would be the better choice but eh
craggy pilot
Yea 🤣 it's a big hmm
strong forum
Sotr, consecration
craggy pilot
they have perm SoTR giving Armory, and standing in Consec gives DR from Mastery
strong forum
They get phat armor from sotr, and overall DR from standing in consc
And tier + holy Shield gets them to ~70% block chance
sick sentinel
extra 15% from Holy shield
craggy pilot
oh 15% 😄
strong forum
15% chance, and magic block is 30% flat DR
craggy pilot
Holy Shield is massive, literally no idea why someone ever said to use Blessed Hammer
sick sentinel
no point anymore with set bc its so good with the 4set
sick sentinel
its considerable lower damage before set I guess in aoe
also on demand holy power
is pretty decent
strong forum
Does only blessed hammer apply the 30%melee Dr
Or does the normal version apply that aswell
sick sentinel
I have no clue 
strong forum
Okay that's it then
Blessed hammer grants the 30% melee reduction
Hammer of the righteous doesn't
craggy pilot
30% melee reduction?
its a flat rate based on AP i reckon
but on big enemies it can hit them multiple times
median tulip
30% of your AP, not 30% of their damage
jagged pier
paladin talk 😴 
strong forum
It's pretty high regardless
It used to be pretty much that high
It's like earthwarden
craggy pilot
wait they also have First Avenger, giving bunch of shield when they throw their shield
craggy pilot
sick sentinel
they also have instant cast, no cd 50k heals 
craggy pilot
they also have instant cast, no cd 50k heals <:gladge:963970137701109820>
but uses their resource 🤔 so cant do dam
a bit sadge they dont have Divine Storm, would make the spec interesting for once
strong forum
Well you get so much fucking holy power through kyrian and tier
Don't you worry about not being able to spam sotr
strong forum
Yes and you'll spam it alot
craggy pilot
would be more thought behind if it you had to decide between sotr, heal or divine storm
strong forum
Without tier and divine resonance you'd barely have enough time to keep up sotr
The reason why pally was "squishy" was because you'd have to decide between using sotr or wog to keep yourself alive
craggy pilot
what? when i played pala i had no tier no divine resonance, and had sotr more than 100% of the time easy
strong forum
You'd have the choke hold of needing to decide between dropping low and reapplying sotr, or using wog to top yourself but let sotr drop and drop to low hp again
trim bay
random question can DKS AMS through the rings on artificer mythic with the glyph to port the raid
and not die
jagged pier
ye
dawn canyon
Well that's a core thing
They took ideas from different games and implemented an improved concept into wow
At least they used to
Once you finally get to play, wow just owns
oblique garnet
Once you finally get to play, wow just owns
Wrong
lime urchin
Hearsay
mellow bridge
Objection
thorny sierra
Do my Prot WR lack versatility because it seems really hard for me to get it to 30%.
strong forum
Looks fine to me?
As long as you equip highest ilvl and get high haste you're fine
Also id recommend to stop using that codex
It's not good until like +30s
The lack of strength on it makes it quite bad
jagged pier
Do my Prot WR lack versatility because it seems really hard for me to get it to ...
u cant lack vers its not a stat we care about
empty path
tbh I siting around 9-10% vers and its completly fine
strong forum
I'm a filthy 6%er
oblique garnet
Nub
jagged pier
oblique garnet
Stack crit for big dam
craggy pilot
im at 16% 🤔
oblique garnet
craggy pilot
cant you literally tank a +6 in Arms spec? 🤔
oblique garnet
Beat me and ill resub
thorny sierra
So I guess versatility does not matter much because I thought the higher it is the better the survivality and tankiness
oblique garnet
Survivability and tankiness comes from play for warriors
empty path
Also id recommend to stop using that codex
about codex...its bug or "utility" when that trinket can pull not tagged mobs by spells/attacks ? 😅
oblique garnet
As you have 100% uptime on mitigation etc
strong forum
Bug
Codex and other reflect trinkets just do that
They store up the reflect and just send it towards your target
empty path
matrix did the same ? did not ever notice 😄
strong forum
That's how they're written
lofty widget
i see it as a feature, especially in mists when you can pull through maze 
strong forum
Yes matrix does the same
It's much less frequent and harder to do tho
I once pulled a pack with the bek shard
It applied to a target out of combat with 100% hp
empty path
🤦♂️
strong forum
Was a result of stygian barbs
Lots of spaghetti
I reckon you could do that with 
aswell
Take dmg, and target smth far away you wanna pull
empty path
I saw somewhere is like +-100y for codex, but I'm not sure how much it's true 😄
minor helm
Yen?
strong forum
Ya smth along those lines
minor helm
Oh yards
sick sentinel
i cant remember what the hell it was but i know for sure random trinkets have done alot of stuff in dungeons and raids thats like weird like that, i still love mchimba bandages, that + IP you can fully absorb a +15 jes howliss knives.
i think you guys were saying something about sack and it sometimes glitches and puts bombs on targets far away
tranquil mortar
Anyone tried emeni? For@m+? Looks interesting
strong forum
Emenis Str buff only lasts 20sec
The pustules themselves are pretty weak
Marileth provides a better overall spread of conduits
tranquil mortar
Mk
urban portal
Also you have to full channel for emeni capstone to do anything
sick sentinel
yeah i got that key to a 14 and we got in 2 hunters warlock priest, okay we are set! start the key, no NF after start
well shit, pulled like first 3, gave up mid second pull, nope, i'm not doin this, peace lol, my fuck up my key
zenith vine
why give up my brother
sick sentinel
i get hard stuck in my ways when i discover something that works and i can repeat, to my own detriment even
well, thats an easy block
sick sentinel
sure, maybe, but if you own a gun or a knife, that doesn't make you a murderer
and so then if you accuse said person of being one, thats a gross fabrication
sick sentinel
yeah, and the bullet matches the gun and the story lines up...
craggy pilot
wait is Defile a normal or HC only mechanic on the jailer? 🤔
minor helm
Pretty sure it's on normal
cinder pasture
It's on normal
craggy pilot
yea same, just saw HC wowhead guide say its HC only
so only difference is extra stuff to dodge in P1, and adds in P2?
minor helm
Mechanic timings are weird AF in normal
There's like 10-20 second gaps in mechanics
Feels like forever in between each mechanic
sick sentinel
i don't play raid but my guess to that would be for if the easy normal hard insane difficulty progression worked still
so its like, you play on easy medium and it gives you more lee way with timing or bullets cuz its easy/medium mode then you progress hard and insane
strong forum
I think that's been a complaint by some people as to why raiding is so vastly different from mythic to other mechanics
Where mythic basically is the full fight, and lower difficulties are just watered down because they are missing half if not all mechanics
sick sentinel
i think that the damage and health of monsters intended for expansion m+ dungeons are tuned in such a way that they are intended for above boost, but below full LFR ilvl at max level as starting point for tuning
distant crystal
the knockback on normal is pretty hilarious
"don't get knocked into a hole!" "oh it just moves you like 3yds"
strong forum
Well it's not that large on mythic either
But it's enough if you are poorly positioned
sick sentinel
watched asmon do that fight in domination mythic where you have to stack and blow up a bomb get knocked back twice, that fight looks really mean
chrome falcon
yeah i got that key to a 14 and we got in 2 hunters warlock priest, okay we are ...
NF isn't remotely necessary for either of the NF dungeons
you skip one pack in mists and get a better respawn point, and you get three aoe stuns in dos
blazing condor
That said raging spirit dude is kinda ass on high fort if you gotta cover up 2 rages
Nothing you cant deal with tho
sick sentinel
i just didn't think to ask before starting the key and by the time i had it was already started and i was antcipating it so threw me for total loop
echo egret
so, as usual, I got my ass kicked hard in DOS20
sick sentinel
i know of 3 routes, #1 (order of fast): NF go left, wo to boss #2 NF go right, combine 2pat+3pat (maybe combine big group, depending) priest/rogue skip, kill casters, #3 no NF route of shame
chrome falcon
you think these dungeons are way harder than they are man
you don't need some perfect route for a 14 mists
sick sentinel
i opt for #2 route most often
dawn canyon
i know of 3 routes, #1 (order of fast): NF go left, wo to boss #2 NF go right, ...
I see the former more often
But i think the latter is easier on pugs
As kill wo is difficult
sick sentinel
shit happens, i just didn't check myself fully
chrome falcon
no the problem isn't that you started the key without NF
the problem is that you think the key is impossible without NF
sick sentinel
no.... i don't think it was impossible i just thought that i had clearly opened my self up to recieve a bunch of bullshit because i wasn't paying attention
better to call it in a minute than drag them through 50 minute 14 mists
sick sentinel
well, we were about 20 seconds into key when it even occured that we couldnt open
chilly brook
no.... i don't think it was impossible i just thought that i had clearly opened ...
having no nf on mists actually isn't a huge deal
pulling the first tirnin pack actually works out well % wise
chilly brook
^
blazing condor
chilly brook
That as well
sick sentinel
what about the stealth detect
blazing condor
However i doubt a pug around 10-15 would be able to pass through the true-sight trees
chilly brook
Well
blazing condor
You can pass them without aggroing
chilly brook
That's why I'd pull the tirnin pack on the left
and then go pull the one by the door skip anyways
and then wo
cuz that last pack that has a villager with trusight has a huge radius you can just walk around
on the left side
sick sentinel
its 14 SD this time anyways, can't be too complicated
this means i need to look at how to bind a use extraactionbutton (f6 probably) for that
blazing condor
Bind it to whatever you can easily press without losing out on anything else
Like any other button
quaint glade
trinket right?
sick sentinel
do you need tier and what is the neck, i mean, i think we are supposed to craft lego head anyways but trying to rule everything out
quaint glade
my tier is 272 but trinket aegis is 239
sick sentinel
probably trinket yeah, but you can think it over
quaint glade
i went with trinket
sick sentinel
that neck is main stat haste which is good
urban portal
yeah trinket is def waht you want
shell shale
urban portal
all helmets and necks are replacable
sick sentinel
i ruled out helmet because also apparently you want that as your unity
blazing condor
if you had 272 tier id take head tbh
scale isn't all that
239 aegis is probably better
scenic mural
Who knows what his other trinket is, plus idk the main stat increase alone would be better than a 272-278
Tier is so replacable now we always have charges
sick sentinel
i logged into wow and its like hey, heres your 5/5, and thats my story of how i got set
blazing condor
only piece you can't get 285
hollow kayak
I'm going to guess...
head/chest give the most primary stats.
secondary stat distribution on the chest tier piece is better.
that leaves the head.
lofty widget
because it's the only item you cant get tier 285
hollow kayak
ah. I guessed wrong.
toxic pewter
Oh interesting.. I see
blazing condor
if youre not gonna get mythic pieces then you dont need it on head
you can put somewhere else to get high stat budget
fiery badge
Reddit says Prot warr is bad
lofty widget
because helmet has more stats
lofty widget
Reddit says Prot warr is bad
reddit is wrong
scenic mural
Reddit says Prot warr is bad
Yes, ready is a very correct and intelligent place
sick sentinel
reddit i dont go or post much
minor helm
Reddit moment
sick sentinel
well i'll only be getting 278 tier at max, so i'll probably make unity gloves at some point, if it needs to be over unity
urban portal
i would just run both aegis and scale
lofty widget
thats way overkill
chilly brook
Reddit says Prot warr is bad
if you're going to reddit for anything of value you probably messed up along the way
sick sentinel
previous season 249 scale gang
scenic mural
I got scale on my first dos of the season, phial on first plague, then just got OPC. Yet my Dk is 0/49 on opportunities to get a weapon
toxic pewter
if i dont see myself getting 285 gear then is getting unity for head even worth it for me
it doesnt matter right
urban portal
Doesn’t matter too much
toxic pewter
Ok I figured
fiery badge
I think people say Prot is bad or hard cause it has really high APM
Did a key last night and almost gave myself carpal tunnel
fiery badge
“Shield block, IP, Revenge, gotta spend rage so i don’t over cap, fuck shield slam is reset set, SB is in CD so I gotta leap out and charge back in, avatar is back up ahhhhhahshsgsgahsy”
Me last night
sick sentinel
broken nexus
For M+, if I'm primarily concerned with survivability (but would also of course like to do decent damage), can I have too much haste? Current stats at ilvl 266 are Crit 129, Haste 1107, Vers 751, Mast 326. Should I be looking to change these up? For reference this is an alt I'm looking to start getting into +20s.
lofty widget
you start prioritizing other stats (than haste) at 40 % unbuffed
urban portal
And you still shouldn’t drop Ilvl
sick sentinel
both people are correct
lofty widget
stats generally have very low importance, if you die it's most likely because youre playing wrong
sick sentinel
playing correctly entails telling your group "urh go brr bc set bonus"
broken nexus
Thank you! For sure prioritizing playing well and ilvl, just wasn't sure what that haste breakover point was, or e.g. if my crit was way to low for good damage or whatever. Having fun getting back into my prot warrior, I don't care what tank tier lists say 😉
broken nexus
playing correctly entails telling your group "urh go brr bc set bonus"
lol
sick sentinel
how does wo work if like, we have it and then we attack do we lose it or what
sick sentinel
i think you keep the MS too right?
urban portal
Yeah
sick sentinel
some groups like to kill it on the boss, to move out of shit i assume
lofty widget
more like, some groups like to mindlessly aoe and dont prio one relic down
sick sentinel
the relic pre-mini boss literally says "urh relic" tho in the name right
lofty widget
it does, that doesnt mean ppl read it
sick sentinel
some people respond really well to seeing shapes, like in the maze, had a few groups that don't need addon or to think about it they see 3 shapes and already know
broken nexus
Warrior is the best tank with urh
I know Urh is generally great, but at the risk of sounding like a noob what makes it SO good for us compared to other tanks? Is it the healing which is generally what we lack, plus cdr for like shield slam?
chilly brook
because it double dips with AM
urban portal
a lot of other tanks are also resource gated and not cd gated
broken nexus
ooohhhh ok that's cool
sick sentinel
because, you can have very high uptimes if you mash the keyboard
urban portal
like brew cant just keep pressing keg smash
blood dk just cant keep pressing death strike
broken nexus
Ah I see, that's pretty sweet, I generally roll my face across the keyboard so that works well.
sick sentinel
blood dk just cant keep pressing death strike
objection heresay
scenic mural
I was gonna say, do can rn
urban portal
when you are out of runes and runic power
or rather urh doesnt affect it
urh doesnt affect how much rune/runic power you generate
scenic mural
If you are out of runes and runic power you did something unecplainable
sick sentinel
dk runes is affected haste i think
urban portal
but urh isnt haste
sick sentinel
so they do vy
urban portal
they could do vy
scenic mural
Dks dont do vy
scenic mural
We just kill urh
Outside of very niche circumstances if you dont kill urh youre trolling
sick sentinel
vy could be ... VY able for final boss because maybe you won't get your cd's back in time again on final boss and key will be over immediately after
urban portal
there are comps that dont benefit from urh but those comps all suck
scenic mural
Youre getting cdr on cooldowns no matter what, are you killing bosses in 10 seconds?
urban portal
lets say if your group was like
unholy dk+havoc+some other long ass cd class
on a 15 fort
they may not get their cds back
scenic mural
Dh still getting more eye beam, regardless, vy also just runs around everywhere and actually tries to kill group. Annoying
sick sentinel
ret NF, enhance sham, pirest and, fill dps of choosing
urban portal
yeah the big problem is definitely the running around
ocean yoke
healers like urh too anyway
sick sentinel
DH seems to do well with pwar if you have magic users, you buff DH, DH buffs magic users
scenic mural
Yeah most of the time i just dont ever let healer drink bc we kill urh
urban portal
DH seems to do well with pwar if you have magic users, you buff DH, DH buffs mag...
thats really bad logic
unless the magic user is 2 survival hunters
sick sentinel
i cant say without looking at the video but there was 2 hunters, presumable surv in 14 mists 2 minutes edition
urban portal
also you couldve just played vdh and buffed survial+lock+another good class
instead of playing havoc
anyways the 5% doesnt really matter
we see in mdi all the time that people play havoc
and they are doing like 20% more damage than tank
and the opposing windwalker is at double his damage
wild sandal
is the shield from 1st boss good for us?
mighty valley
yeah it's fine
lofty widget
it's good defensively at equal ilvl
mighty valley
i'd just use the best ilvl shield you have
lofty widget
the equip is like +7 ivls worth of block
wild sandal
ok ty , someone said it a healer shield so just wanted to be sure
mighty valley
how on earth is it a healer shield, the bonuses are all tank stuff
it has no secondaries
sick sentinel
could go crafted neck and swap out , or the bonus prize shrug
strong forum
well yeah
thats what id do
pick one of the 2 rings there
and then get crafted neck
sick sentinel
dunno if the signet has anything else attached to it, but that'd be my first pick
sick sentinel
i dunno what ur neck piece is
strong forum
doesnt matter
dreamy rain
sick sentinel
i got a ring in there last night
sick sentinel
MY PRECIOUS
strong forum
im boutta pick the crit ring
lofty widget
isnt t hat the best pick?
sick sentinel
I'd be on the versa one regardless what keys i was doin but sure, crit 2nd for sure
lofty widget
vers is kinda overrated imo
sick sentinel
well yeah, that too, 200 haste only beaten (i think) by base haste of 165 from 0 opposed to 149 on signet
huge haste
strong forum
you pressed banner before you got into combat
craggy pilot
is that a no no?
urban portal
its a no no
jagged pier
bugs sometimes
craggy pilot
it just bugged twice in a row kekw
toxic pewter
bugged in what way what happened
strong forum
its not a bug
if you apply banner before entering boss combat
you lose the buff
thats it
urban portal
its to prevent degen prepull stuff
strong forum
so prevent cheesing
fast hawk
any tips to survive damn skolex mythic, fucking boss 1 shots me lol
urban portal
look at some logs and see when they use defensives
toxic pewter
wait wat
if u use banner before combat you lose the banner?
am I reading this right
scenic mural
Same with Dancinf rune weapon etc
lofty widget
if u use banner before combat you lose the banner?
in raid
urban portal
only in raid
distant crystal
are you sure it's only in raid
urban portal
yes
distant crystal
cause druid RF does the same thing with boss combat in keys or raid
urban portal
its made to stop people from cheeseing with really degenerate pre pull stuff
strong forum
any tips to survive damn skolex mythic, fucking boss 1 shots me lol
dont take 2 of any combo
hazy edge
You have SR for each riftmaw as well. Use SR+Demo Shout for combos where you aren't taking Rend, and SW for ones you are. You go hard you might get SW back up for each one, but don't depend on it
distant crystal
i was totally sure that banner would be like RF and also cancel when you pull a dungeon boss
but nope, it stays, they just hate druids
urban portal
ravenous frenzy cancels on a dungeon boss?
thats very strange
are you sure you arent mistaken
because you can carry every other buff into a m+ buff
boss
distant crystal
i'm sure
it's toxic af
the weird thing is you can use it prepull when starting the key
and you'll keep RF, but if you have it up when a boss gets pulled in raid or dungeon, it gets deleted
didn't used to work like that, was changed somewhere around 9.2
Cause I used to pop RF like 4sec before pull on mythic Eye so I could finish ramp before phase
urban portal
in raid i kind of understand
in m+ idk
because no other buff is gone when you pull a m+ boss
distant crystal
i'm sure rextroy is at fault somehow
urban portal
of course it is
fast hawk
skolex mythic hurts like a mooofocker lol
dawn canyon
AHAHAHA the combust is ready weakaura
tropic linden
AHAHAHA the combust is ready weakaura
No one cares about ur offensive CDs
sick sentinel
this season will be
dawn canyon
No one cares about ur offensive CDs
That's why im laughing at it
tropic linden
Yeah
dawn canyon
My god why can people do this 
tropic linden
@sick sentinel should have made fun of him at the end also
sick sentinel
I HAVE A BAD TENDENCY that i sometimes hit R and pull more shit than i intend to
and then yogi things happen, and then we spend a few more minutes
R for range heroic throw
sick sentinel
after iron spikes boss i did that on nextgroup immediately and typed out no fuck
tropic linden
Only fire mage have this WA, no other DPS has this shit
Why, plz god someone tell me why
sick sentinel
its mage stuff
tropic linden
It's remenant of S1 when fire was OP and combust did tons of dmg?
lofty widget
main character
sick sentinel
they salivate over staffs
tropic linden
main character
Who is fire mage? Jaina is frost
cinder storm
Pulled 6 packs on gambit 23, only died to two empowered Water Bolts when the pack was almost dead
Big chunks of hp gone, like dust in the wind
sick sentinel
i'm going to blame 242 shield as part of reason of fear of dungeons
be and feel more safe behind nice 278 shield
cinder storm
Maybe, did a hoa 22 after that gambit, one surv hunter had 4 kicks overall, all those were on the third boss
Sometimes is the gear, most of the time is the people you run with
sick sentinel
no bear/brew, maybe dk
uncut notch
So this dungeon was wild, mists 19 just helping a friend get some points
and like i literally just spammed revenge the whole way
I was amazed how well aggressive play worked
I wasnt getting smoked by damage or anything by not being super defensive
I was just b l a s t i n g out those revenges
I think this is a new high score for me
strong forum
grats!
urban portal
thats optimal way to play
you only press IP to not overcap
keep shield block up because it boosts shield slam
etc etc
hazy edge
I made a Revenge+IP macro to hit when I'm >55 rage and have a ton coming in. made it a lot easier to not overcap when I have ls or urh rolling
chrome falcon
I made a Revenge+IP macro to hit when I'm >55 rage and have a ton coming in. mad...
- please don't do that ever
- what does urh have to do with it
chrome falcon
ok i'm just making sure they don't think that urh gives you rage
strong forum
asa is BDK TC
blazing condor
techinically you get more rage from urh
strong forum
he knows a thing or 2
chrome falcon
TC?
chrome falcon
red class 
strong forum
thanks to him we now sim more than prot pallys 😄
dawn canyon
W
cinder storm
H
quaint glade
strong forum
grats
quaint glade
im too late for the party but im proud of myself lol
chrome falcon
dawn canyon
never too late
cinder storm
never too early
sick sentinel
i'll be more proud of my self when i beat this key
cinder storm
which one?
sick sentinel
15 mists,
cinder storm
Do you have a video or do you stream? I'm just curious
hazy edge
1) please don't do that ever
2) what does urh have to do with it
Yeah I don't press it often. But if I am about to get an Outburst proc and have LS rolling and have >55 rage I hit it to dump everything, and get full rage value out of the Outburst SS. Similarly with urh, I'm hitting SS so often that I can't dump rage fast enough so I whack the macro.
jagged pier
and he prefaced it with "when i have a ton coming in"
regardless of prefixing etc, it is still bad practice to do
waxen orbit
So this dungeon was wild, mists 19 just helping a friend get some points
Good new record m8
Yeah you can play pretty aggressive honestly
Especially this patch
Tier set and necrolord (if you opt for that build) offer a lot of bonus rage and defensiveness so you can do some pretty nutty shit
grave crane
How do you guys keep the spear mobs from jumping off the stairs in the Spires after the first boss? I LOS’d them and then they just leapt all over and ended up wiping us
chrome falcon
everyone needs to los them
then when they're stacked you just lock them down and pump them hard
mighty valley
they jump away from their target so ideally everyone is positioning to bully them into corners
grave crane
Ok that seems like a simple task but I fucked it up lol
jagged pier
u go to the corner not the stairs
and u all face into the wall
they only leap away from the dircetion your facing so they can only leap backwards into the wall
waxen orbit
How do you guys keep the spear mobs from jumping off the stairs in the Spires af...
Up beyond the stairs, there's a corner in that wall in front of you to your left. What Jakey said; everyone run into it until they're as far in as possible, then face toward the little alcove beside you. The spear-throwing mobs will then leap back into said alcove if you're all facing that general direction and in that corner.
The only time this will fail is if someone in your group fucks it up
urban portal
its called phreedlos
sick sentinel
How do you guys keep the spear mobs from jumping off the stairs in the Spires af...
it is possible to control where they jump, they do the hunter disengage backwards jump, so in the direction you are looking at them basically
solemn current
Does Conq Banner have a max range for buffing people? Like if someone is sitting 30-40yds away are they good? Kind of hard when there doesn't seem to be a buff to track.
sick sentinel
it goes to the 2+ closest people regardless so it should never ever target someone 40 yards away
chrome falcon
Once you have it you can do whatever you want
solemn current
Details just doesn't pick it up then or am I missing what it's called? And I'm assuming you mean the closest people get the buff when it's activated and it doesn't change for the entire duration? Static instead of dynamic?
chrome falcon
Correct
solemn current
15 yard range max?
chrome falcon
Correct
safe thistle
vigilente mythic pretty fun !! can spell reflect the split resolution
solemn current
Damn thats low. Guess I'll just have to be more careful about when I use it. Would it be incorrect to assume that the duration extension from the lego extends allies buff as well?
drifting fable
yes. you have to recast to give it to allies
solemn current
yes. you have to recast to give it to allies
Not sure I follow. Are you saying yes it doesn't extend allies and they only get 15s of the buff until I recast it or yes it extends?
drifting fable
allies only get the inital 15 from the regular ability no glory
glory extension only affects you
but if you recast it they get it for another
solemn current
Gotcha. Guess it would be busted to think that it did lmao
solemn current
Maybe prot wouldn't be the underdog lol. Thanks for the help though. Makes more sense and it might be more so that people haven't been getting the buff in keys vs details not showing one.
cinder nova
The only time this will fail is if someone in your group fucks it up
I'm coming, young buck
sick sentinel
The only time this will fail is if someone in your group fucks it up
keys in a nutshell
waxen orbit
I'm coming, young buck
Right as my healer swaps Horde, too
Don't make me go red to keep my throne
sullen tangle
dawn canyon
timed
cinder nova
Don't make me go red to keep my throne
Holy is frighteningly ambitious this season
Watch out
sick sentinel
Holy is frighteningly ambitious this season
always has been.... bfa hpal main always talking about how many K's his judgement hit for
cinder nova
Lol I'm talking about a player named Holy
Not really communal banter, Lotta inside stuff
Just calling him out since I saw him in the wild and it's been a hot min
sick sentinel
well, hpal is always a monster healer in keys anyways
good hps, good dps, good DR good cc/utility
sick sentinel
i wanna see pala NF for buff us PI WF, urh, see what some pwar god can do
pallid quiver
I've come back after effectively a multi-year long hiatus. What are some good resources for learning things like routes and such as a tank for Mythic+?
hollow kayak
Dratnos has a weekly route article on raider.io
https://raider.io/news/366-the-weekly-route-fortified-sanguine-grievous-and-encrypted
sick sentinel
blame the healer if you die every single time
pallid quiver
I just blame the DPS instead, because if they CC'd them with death, we wouldn't have to spend the Healer's mana
that's my mop classic, at least
sick sentinel
have you never been gm or co gm
you get to deal with this shit every day in addition to random ppl expecting you to do random thing, In exhange you can literally never run out of space
I kept making food buffs and they go in stacks of 20 and we wanted to limit people to take put 5 at a time cuz I stuffed it full of every buff type you could want
one of the guys kept taking out a full stack or 2 every single day until we asked him about it
guild master is you think you do but you dont
uncut bronze
Bru guys, Noob question here, How much rating this S3 for KSM?
toxic pewter
2500 iirc
steady karma
don't need that kind of talk in here, and it's not your first time either - so I don't feel the need for further warnings - please keep those comments to yourself
toxic pewter
yes basically all 15s for all 10 dungeons ttyranical and fortified
grave crane
I think 15s on fort and tyrannical
toxic pewter
so might take you two weeks
cinder storm
Timed a street 23 with one dps 10k overall, another 14k and last 18k
I keep messing my rotation, maybe I'm too focused on not dying, I'm struggling breaking 10, doing around 9-9.5k
I know I have to keep practicing but sometimes my SS will not go off or charging takes me an awful time, walking out of a pack is annoying on some keys if there's no slows
I'm executing as much as I can, either I'm getting slow or I need to revenge more
cinder storm
The streets did not get logged, this should be enough, I keep wasting too much rage, sometimes my SS goes grey and its either I backstep a lil bit too much or I get inside the enemy model. But I keep in mind to try and spam IP as much as possible along with Revenge. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1ZmqwPBzMCLr4WbG/#fight=last&type=summary
I still need to get a better trinket too
raven hatch
I’ve compared my logs a lot to Tattman in the past, looking at those logs (I’m no expert here!) but many of these criticisms apply to my own logs…
You’ve casted less than 200 ignore pains, tatt keeps his ignore pain casts around the same as his revenge and shield slam, if I work hard at it I can get to about 80% match which is usually just under 400 IPs per high key
Your banner up time sits at 36% I usually sit at 60-70 but optimal is 70-80, so consider your banner timings and how long you can maintain it in chain pulls
Your blocked hits sits at 56%, on a fortified week id recommend running heavy repercussions if you’re feeling like you’re getting trucked, not everyone agrees with this one but my block rate sits at between 75-85% by comparison
As for rage wasted, that’s where you get your IP casts up for sure
And finally, another personal preference, I run booming voice to keep that juicy banner uptime, the extra rage generated is great for keeping that banner up another 30 seconds if you can chain it well
And finally for charging more often, that’s probably my biggest personal criticism too, but Tattman does it very well, I know it’s my weakest area personally, so if you’re struggling with that you just need practice much like myself, you just have to pick your moments, and yeah slows help
@cinder storm
Just in case you check later and it gets missed 😅
ionic fern
You’ve casted less than 200 ignore pains, tatt keeps his ignore pain casts aroun...
-Cast IP only to prevent rage-capping, don't put a "number" on it. That said, you wasted A TON of rage..1990 to be exact. That number should be nearly 0.
-36% Banner in logs is OVERALL up-time, the 70-80% is combat uptime from details
-56% blocked hits is low regardless. 75-85% is what the "default" should be WITHOUT HR. Charge/intervene more.You only had 11 Intervenes in this whole dungeon....
-You don't need BV for higher banner up-time as long as you have something to hit.
Your low DPS & banner is 100% coming from you wasting tooooo much rage.
raven hatch
Yeah not putting a number on IP casts is fair, and my b on the banner uptime I forgot about the details / logs discrepancy
The BV again is personal preference for sure, I find it way more fluid
cinder storm
There's something awfully wrong that happens on my rotation, whenever I have 12s on banner I focus on something else and by the time I look down I'm struggling to keep it over 5s. I'm going to compare Tatts logs and his rotation, I'm focusing too much on not dying and when I'm trying to spam IP I end up not having enough rage for SB, then at times I end up getting a ton of rage, that's where most of my waste comes in, either kiting when getting too much rage or not feeling confident to stay on packs too long. That's one awful log for sure but I prefer to show a low performance rather than a decent one, if I can improve my worst habits then the other things will shine for sure
I was even thinking today of having an "oh shit" button when I start getting too much rage, an IP / revenge macro, I understand it's not optimal but it might offset my slow key presses during those moments and help me focus a bit on other stuff
@raven hatch I was running BV, it is nice for sure but I'm hardwired to use demo as a defensive so I ended up not using as much as I should, today I decided to try the other talent
Like, I don't want to end up doing 25s and having a bad rotation, I want to get there and feel good about it, not because I was running with "4 meta specs" but because I was also playing optimal every time
I've had banner up for over 2 mins in other keys, almost 4 mins on one, it felt nice
jagged pier
-Cast IP only to prevent rage-capping, don't put a "number" on it. That said, yo...
mwahi u looked at the wrong column he has 75% blocked hits, but for 22 id expect it to be higher
ionic fern
I diddnt look at any columns
ionic fern
I just fixed what the other person typed.
echo egret
Is there any way to make a random pug consistently interrupt Shadowcore on a +20 fortified ? Died twice in DOS last night, and every time there's at least one or two of these eating 30% of my HP in one go, which always leads to me dying.
ionic fern
No.
🙂
Use your interrupt on it at the last possible second so you give them a chance to do it before.
Same for SR.
that's about it unless you're on voice where you can yell at them.
echo egret
Tbh that's my worst dungeon by a far margin, because of that spell alone.
ionic fern
Yeah, it can get horrible really fast.
cinder storm
What works for me is SR first cast and kicking second with SW up and it should cast death embrace then frontal giving you time to kick the next one or leap away with pugs
echo egret
I've had the unpleasant surprise of having my SR eaten by a decrepit bite mere milliseconds before shadowcore hits
strong forum
I did streets 20 yesterday with about 10.5k dps, that dungeon is horrible for banner uptime ngl
Especially if yiu do it with 4tanks and 1 warlock
jagged pier
depends which way u go
strong forum
We went right
jagged pier
ive kept the same banner from first pull till u go left or right
then u can keep a banner for the few packs to the right
then 1 banner for mail room
then music boss
then banner to traverse
and 1 for the mangie boss and one for final boss
echo egret
I recently switched to left side, the beasts aren't hard at all and give a crapton of percent.
blazing condor
I did streets 20 yesterday with about 10.5k dps, that dungeon is horrible for ba...
i was there pog
(and saw it that is)
strong forum
I wasn't tanking so I was missing alot of rage gen so I dropped banner for entire first boss
blazing condor
I recently switched to left side, the beasts aren't hard at all and give a crapt...
left side is dope but it kinda fucks the BL timings
strong forum
During first pull of right side everybody died
Except me and bdk cuz I didn't tank until only 4 mobs were left
But I did do the same dps as a 273 bdk with gavel in that key overall, so not too shabby
jagged pier
well i was gunna say nome not proving much about doing keys with 4-5 tanks because he never has aggro
strong forum
We hover around 10-13k dps
strong forum
And monk does the least cuz he isn't tanking either
jagged pier
get the odd 15-18k
jagged pier
strong forum
But he can't get aggro over vdh in aoe
So yeh
No damgur
Actually scuffed how vdh and bear are the 2 only tanks that can do full dmg without needing to get hit
Rest of the tanks rely on taking dmg
jagged pier
well we are supposed to take damage
so that being part of the class i dont see an issue with tbh
not many ppl running 4-5 tanks
strong forum
I can only run those keys cuz I only know tank players
uncut notch
I've had the unpleasant surprise of having my SR eaten by a decrepit bite mere m...
The other one is arcane lightning 0.01 seconds before bomb
strong forum
You can always avoid arcane lightning
The spark transfers 1sec or so before bomb goes off
And also shouldn't tick just before the cast finishes
But jumping up is a free charge so it's technically better
echo egret
But jumping up is a free charge so it's technically better
Technically yes, but the pleasure to bypass a mechanism entirely through SR is sooo much more satisfying !
strong forum
Tru
echo egret
Just like Reaping Scythe in ToP
strong forum
Bro that thing
Is so dumb
The timing is so fucking tight to reflect 2 scythes back to back
Actually need to pre-sr before she even starts her first cast
To get the 2nd one
blazing condor
any sadgers
ionic fern
No, we're all happy.
jagged pier
any sadgers
always
blazing condor
No, we're all happy.
" there are no sad thoughts in skyhold discord"
ionic fern
If you're not happy you're very happy.
blazing condor
stack overflow type emotions
ionic fern
blazing condor
-->
sweet summit
strong forum
I have to remove all furtnite from my living room cuz the floor gets renewed
I'm very unhappy about having to do all that shenanigans
stuck kite
If you're not happy you're very happy.
civic torrent
Actually need to pre-sr before she even starts her first cast
Yeah but then you get every single one guaranteed
blazing condor
sweet summit
blazing condor
but no not really : (
guild stopped raiding (which i never did anyway) and no friends still do m+
shits dead
jagged pier
lime urchin
Hello frens
I killed heroic jailer last night with the guild for the first time
I only fell into a hole 20 times
echo egret
Again about that DOS... I'm considering not skipping anything in Mechagon, because pulling everything in Ardenweald takes quite a long time, especially when Matriarches always end up joining the fights.
sweet summit
pulling more in ardenweald is always faster and easier than doing lubricators and drills in mechagon
dawn canyon
Also more fun
echo egret
That's what I'm questioning after my last two runs - not pulling matriarches is difficult for a pug and they considerably lengthen the fights
jagged pier
i mean u can literally stop them being pulled in yourself
sweet summit
can't say i've had that issue
guess inspiring makes it rough if ypu ninja a hatchling and can't stop the cast?
echo egret
When I stun the hatchlings they immediately start casting again and half the pug players ignore them blatantly
jagged pier
do u mark them?
echo egret
Yes of course
echo egret
Stun-Fear-still alive-cast goes off is my life
dawn canyon
Skull mark
echo egret
Correct and that's my issue at +20 these days
dawn canyon
dps like killing skull
ionic fern
Add the good ones to your friends list and start inviting them to groups.
echo egret
Another thing too many NF players ignore, is that you use the urn after the rage cast is done
Not during the cast
strong forum
He has been left
true pawnBOT
Done.
jagged pier
lul
sweet summit
poggers champion
ionic fern
Just some troll.
oblique garnet
you only pull one hatchling iirc
There is an extremely spicy pull you can in theory do in ardenweald that involves all the hatchlings
craggy pilot
tank ended up pulling all 3 MAtriarchs
sweet summit
why would you do that pull?
oblique garnet
If you aggro hatchlings and let the cry go through it pulls everything for you
Its fun
sweet summit
sounds like a weekly key pull
craggy pilot
one of the Matriarchs, he just W into it without the screech 😄
oblique garnet
Hold W
craggy pilot
W for warrior
craggy pilot
wemon hunter
best one
craggy pilot
wardian druid
wuardian druid*
wengeance wemon wunter
wuardian wruid
wlood weath wnight
wrotection waladin
wrewmaster wonk
wrotection warrior
dawn canyon
huge W
raven hatch
Anyone else struggle with halls on fortified? I can time the keys so far up to 24, but based on how much I know that hurts I know 25+ are going to have my life
Sanguine Depths and Halls are my least favourite dungeons by a mile, I can’t get a comfortable route on SD and Halls just tears me an absolute new one with dogs
lofty widget
Anyone else struggle with halls on fortified? I can time the keys so far up to 2...
dont go above 2-3 stacks, if you do go higher use defensives or call for externals, can also kite them in small circles to reset and still pump
blazing condor
yeah halls grievous on fort is ass
shit hurts
wicked bolts and dogs hurt like a mf
pulsar wedge
Sanguine 2nd boss and 3rd boss needs a little nerf on Tran weeks imo
blazing condor
Doesnt mean its not ass on tyran
pulsar wedge
Can we as warriors spell reflect that blast?
blazing condor
We can deflect it
pulsar wedge
Never works when I go fury
pulsar wedge
Ah
lofty widget
3rd boss is actually easier on tyr, if you can survive the blast, since the thing she does after scales with fortified
oblique garnet
Its the dot that usually kills you
On that boss
But doesnt do anything to warriors since they just reflect it
echo egret
Lesson time : how do I improve ? Dmg was 9K.
I know my banner buff uptime was terrible, it fell all too often.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/8QYfCcPaz6ygvL4h/#fight=last
sturdy sable
Pull more pull faster
echo egret
It falls down during pulls
sweet summit
wasted a lot of rage
blocked hits can be better
lots of casts going through
you're just not pressing revenge (you need to press revenge to do damage)
you're underutilizing last stand as a dps cooldown and shield wall as a defensive
echo egret
That's the thing... I have the feeling i'm pressing revenge and IP too often and I'm often rage-starving for Shield Block
sweet summit
@strong forum @jagged pier @ionic fern what's the thing to see what you consumed ourburst with
thunder clap is scarily high and i fear you're using outburst on it and not shield slam
but i'm too dumb/lazy to look
echo egret
That's something I know about and working on it - I don't know how to check it though
ionic fern
<@192743144276623360> <@179993058186625025> <@238357283996696576> what's the thi...
Wowanalyzer
Also..check refreshes for Outburst in warcraftlogs.
Shows how many you overwrote.
strong forum
<@192743144276623360> <@179993058186625025> <@238357283996696576> what's the thi...
This also works
echo egret
Isn't "refresh" when you gain outburst on top of outburst ? not when you spend outburst on TC instead of SS
ionic fern
Yes exactly.
echo egret
ok
ionic fern
And it helps you see how many you lost.
How to check what you used Outburst on i already showed above.
echo egret
Where did you find that on Wowanalyzer ?
lime urchin
chrome falcon
casting a LOT of IP as well
like probably too much
only cast IP to avoid overcapping
drifting fable
a couple weeks ago someone said they bound IP to mousewheel and ive been having success with that
chrome falcon
oh yeah during LS and rav you literally cannot IP fast enough i get that
but it probably shouldn't be higher cpm than shield slam?
especially if they're finding themselves with not enough rage to shield block lol
urban portal
Yeah for sure
strong forum
Ya my cpm in keys so far hasn't had higher IP than SS
sick sentinel
ignore painmeratur, my mousewheel⬇️ is bound to execute⬆️ is trinket
sick sentinel
double leggo is easy AF, you can do that shit in 1 sitting if you want
sick sentinel
at least 2-3 hours minimum sure, but its easy you can have flying ZM by like end of week if you try
rough egret
I have flying already 🙂
sick sentinel
wait im confused by your question
rough egret
im sorry, should I invest flux to tier first, or get double legendary first 😄
sick sentinel
but, u get the double lego when u to 7/7 story on belt and thats a "good enough" one for a while
4pc is alot more impactful than 2/4 for necro, i probably would advise staying what you are if 0/4
lusty ember
I spent flux on leggo first so I could fish for good mythic + pieces to upgrade
While farming the rest of the flux in dungeons
sick sentinel
anything but venthyr prot, you never go venth prot
rough egret
im kyrian currently, how much im loosing not going for necro?
jagged pier
a lot
urban portal
A bunch of stats
urban portal
More exciting than some big dam every 40 seconds
sturdy sable
im sorry, should I invest flux to tier first, or get double legendary first 😄
Id make the highest leggos you could before needing flux then make your tier (gold permitting ofc)
If not id make 1 291 leggo and 2p
sick sentinel
im kyrian currently, how much im loosing not going for necro?
i wouldn't reccomend going to necro until you have 2/4 set, unless you have zero necro renown
rough egret
my necro is 40 only, so i will lvll it up and play prot as kyr untill 4p then necro i guess
sick sentinel
yes, go necro and do the quest line for ZM, you'll be like 70 ish
urban portal
Get free belt and also giga renown
sick sentinel
your MAIN GOAL right now is do the story line to get belt
instantyl gives belt once you finish
rough egret
Im gona craft belt, this is an alt ( was main once)
sick sentinel
id go necro RN simply to get the renown level ups, set is nothing, i logged in and the game was like "okay sir here is your free 5/5"
rough egret
yeah ill do it
sick sentinel
yeah
urban portal
Especially if u have flying
rough egret
then necro campaign if needed to 80
sick sentinel
something like that yeah, zero reason you can't catch up with the current systems i n place
rough egret
for stats on lego, its haste vers?
sweet summit
aye
rough egret
aye
jagged pier
anyone with a bear as a PP is sussy
rough egret
im missing one very important thing, a shield 😄
strong forum
You and me both
jagged pier
exactly very sus
rough egret
any tips how to get some decent shileld quick other than have luck on Iska, Marzan Damaris?
tranquil mortar
Any tips for me to carry low keys groups? Struggling with some 2.3-3k dps on chunky pulls… maybe run seismic? Talents changes?
strong forum
any tips how to get some decent shileld quick other than have luck on Iska, Marz...
I'm spamming +2s hoping to get a shield and then just upgrade with valor
tranquil mortar
Hmmm? @brazen yarrow
brazen yarrow
what
tranquil mortar
What what?
brazen yarrow
tranquil mortar
I thought you were replying to me
tranquil mortar
Just randomly spitting facts?